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The Zeolite Lie: Exposing Supplement Industry Secrets with Kaleigh Mason
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In this episode of the Beyond Terrain Podcast, I sit down with Kayleigh Mason (@nutrition.elements) to explore Chinese medicine, numerology, minerals, water, and the hidden dangers of the supplement industry.
Kayleigh shares her unique philosophy of health: enthusiasm for life, rooted in nourishment, rhythm, and connection to nature. We discuss why true vitality comes from living traditions—not quick fixes or lab-made detox products.
We also dive into the controversial world of zeolites. Kayleigh exposes how this “miracle detox” has been marketed without informed consent, the dangers of mineral depletion, and the hypocrisy of both pharma and the wellness industry. This is an eye-opening conversation about sovereignty, minerals, and getting back to human tradition.
Topics Covered:
- Health as enthusiasm and joy, not symptom-free survival
- Chinese medicine, bio-meridians, and the body as an “organic robot”
- Numerology as programming and the light/shadow path of life
- The essential role of minerals, hydration, and sleep
- The dangers of reverse osmosis water and demineralization
- The truth about zeolites and the supplement industry’s hidden harms
- Why food—not rocks—is the foundation of real healing
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Defining Health with Kayleigh Mason
00:01:23
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Hello and welcome Kayleigh Mason to the podcast. So happy to be here. Hello.
00:01:27
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Thank you so much. Amazing, amazing. So the first question that I ask all my guests to get a little baseline to work off of, I love to get a little definition of health. What does health mean to you? How does it manifest? What does it look like? You could take it in any direction that you'd like.
00:01:43
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Pretty broad and tough question. looking forward to your answer. Yes. So open ended. You're like, wait a minute. But that is a good question. What is health? Well, health is when you wake up happy.
00:01:57
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You wake up feeling good. You don't wake up feeling depressed and exhausted every day. You wake up feeling happy and excited like when you were a little kid and you were like, yeah, you woke up because you were excited to play with your friends or your toys. You were excited about life.
00:02:14
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So that to me is health is when you have enthusiasm. um You know, the spleen in Chinese medicine is considered the enthusiasm organ. And a lot of Modern people today have very weak spleens because they often skip meals or they eat late at night or they eat fried foods or iced foods.
00:02:34
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So they have very weak digestive systems. And so they're very low in enthusiasm and low in excitement for life. So I feel like the true sign of health is how excited somebody is to live, how excited they are to be alive.
00:02:50
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love that. That's amazing. um Yeah, we've we've touched on that, you know, as ah as a definition of health before, you know, we've done this about 80 sometimes now, 85 times. So it's amazing to hear all the different definitions, you know, and and something that we come back to is kind of that joie de vie, that yeah curiosity, right? For taking on a new day and that gratitude for the day.
00:03:14
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Yes, that's a big marker for health, I think. love that. um yeah You know, there's something that to be said, you know, about waking up in the morning and and the first thing you kind of reach for is like a coping mechanism, like your phone.
00:03:28
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You know, I know that that's a surefire way for me to ruin my day is to reach for the phone right away. So I've started putting that off until, you know, late morning, even afternoon. I push it off as much as I possibly can, because I know that ah the second that I kind of reach for that, you know, I'm not.
00:03:44
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necessarily read like looking at life as as full as I possibly can. he Well, I think I'm the opposite because so I'm a life path three in Chaldean numerology, which is the communicator healer.
Social Media and Mental Wellness
00:03:58
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And I am so I'm so excited every day to talk to people on Instagram like that is what brings me probably the majority of my happiness in life is just answering people's questions.
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I don't know why i'm I'm just programmed this way. But I find talking thrilling. And so for me, opening up, like when i wake when I wake up, you know, you go to the bathroom, you empty your bowels and then I get on Instagram and I see what questions people have for me and that makes me really excited. So I think for me, it's different because I'm not really going on to look at reels or going on to see posts or anything. I'm just going to check my messages and see who has messaged me because that this is the most exciting thing in my life is talking.
00:04:44
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um But that's just who I am, you know? I love talking. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I think that's amazing. I'm so happy that you brought that up because it kind of showcases the beauty of our realm and how individual each and every one of us are and how there's not a one size fits all, um you know, protocol for, for health. Right. You know, it's yeah very individual.
00:05:04
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um Yes. I'd love to hear a little bit more. You've brought up traditional Chinese medicine. You brought up something else that I, I, I, lost I didn't
Chinese Medicine Insights
00:05:12
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get the name of. el calan You could, dan Yeah, I'd love to hear a little bit about sort of these these philosophy that that you've learned about and that you kind of apply to to to your life and your work.
00:05:25
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Well, Chinese medicine, you probably know that it's you know over 3,000 years old, an ancient system of medicine. um And it maps out the bio meridian channels in the body. We have all of these channels connected to buttons in our body. So I wrote an article called Go Go Gadget to describe or to you know detail all of these buttons all over the body because I see us as organic robots in a video game.
00:05:52
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And so the bio meridian channels are part of that electrical system of the robot. And then all along the robot, just like GoGo Gadget, just like, you know, did um Inspector Gadget, we've got all these features on our robots that a lot of people are not using. You know, you have buttons that can take headaches away.
00:06:12
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You have buttons that can heal your digestion. And, you know, they they may not be visible, but if you actually get in tune, you can feel them. There's these kind of little, almost little indents in a way all over the body, like especially on the top of the head. You can feel this indent about maybe one, maybe ah eight fingers back onto from the forehead onto the top of the head.
00:06:34
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And that one actually increases hair growth. And then there's buttons on the fingernails that if you rub them together, your hair grows. So there's all these secret buttons all over the organic robot and people can tap into that. You know, my dad used to say, that's what's wrong with people is they're not touching their spots.
00:06:55
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And my sister and I, you know, well we were kids when he would say this, and we would just like, what you saying? But he's right. You know, we've got all these spots, we've got all these buttons all over our bodies. And when you, you know, and they call that acupressure, acupuncture, when you tap into the buttons, and when you press them, you can create a lot of relief in the system and improve your health and do all kinds of magical things like grow your hair, as I mentioned, and relieve pain.
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So yeah, Chinese medicine has mapped those out and you can see all your go, go get gadget buttons through Chinese medicine and the maps of the, um the map of the foot, like the reflexology foot map, because there's a map on the foot with buttons that connects to all the organs. So there's all these buttons all over the bottom of the foot.
00:07:40
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And so they created a healing modality out of that called reflexology. So you can press those to improve your health. And then, yeah, they're all over the body. So you can do all kinds of things with those buttons.
00:07:52
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And then Chinese medicine
Organ Rhythms and Natural Cycles
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also mapped out the elements and how they affect the body, all the organ systems, the biorhythm clock of the body, like all of your organs run on a precise clock.
00:08:04
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You know, the spleen and the stomach, they're the strongest from 7 to 11 a.m. and they are the weakest from 7 to 11 So that tells mankind that you should be eating your largest meal in the morning up until 11 a.m.
00:08:18
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and that you should stop eating after sit seven when the spleen goes home to his wife and kids. You know, it's he's done for the day. Like every organ has their break time during the day. So the kidneys, it's from 10 to 1 a.m. m So that's when people should be asleep. People should go to sleep by 10.
00:08:35
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ten at least 11, and then they can get the kidney juice, give the kidneys a break, the kidney adrenal system. And um yeah, there's they map out the biorhythms, the biomeridians. There's all this amazing stuff you can discover about the human body through Chinese medicine. and And science is just catching up to Chinese medicine. Like you'll see a lot of studies confirming the benefits of acupuncture and Chinese herbs, and they're just catching up to it. It used to be seen as a kind of quackery or pseudoscience, but now science is actually catching up and they're like, oh, this is real. Like, this is real.
00:09:12
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The bio-meridian channels are real. These buttons are real. And we are influenced by our environment and the elements and, you know, the organs do run on these clocks. And then numerology also fits into my kind of organic robot in a video game theory because I believe the numerology, which we discover through the numbers of our birthday and the letters of our names,
00:09:35
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This numerology, in my opinion, is the
Numerology and Personal Traits
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coding of the organic robot. So this is the code of your human psyche that programs you to be who you are. Like, what's your birthday?
00:09:47
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March 21st, 2000. two thousand March 21st? Yeah. Wow. So your first vibration is three, which is my life path. So you're also the communicator healer.
00:10:01
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And then your achievement number is six, which is my first vibration. So we have very similar numbers in different places. And six is the artist or the musician. And that's my other job. You know, I'm a nutritionist, but then I'm also a musician.
00:10:14
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So we are artists, we're healers, we're communicators, we're musicians, we're sensitive. You know, six is a program that programs the organic robot to be very sensitive.
00:10:25
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um Energy healer adds up to six in Chaldean numerology. So we often often have a gift to be able to heal people with our touch or with our words or with our thoughts. you know when you talk about reiki a lot of reiki practitioners are life path six and again energy healer adds up to six healing arts adds up to six and you'll find a tremendous amount of people with this number in the healing arts it's profound really and then what was your year what year were you born 2000 2000 you're one of those 2000 babies am
00:11:04
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So you're a life path eight and life path eight is the angel archetype or the guru. So you are exactly where you're supposed to be in life. You're exactly where you're supposed to be.
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You're the guru. You're the healer. You're the communicator. You're the energy healer. You're, you're a master of the healing arts. And this is all part of your journey. You know what you're doing online.
00:11:27
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you know teaching people and being their health guru, this is all part of your your destiny and your journey to the highest realms of that destiny. So that's your programming from God that programs your organic robot to operate in this video game.
00:11:43
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Wow. Well, what a high compliment and beautiful little, I'm speechless. I know, you know, people are always so moved when they hear about their numbers and they're always so jacked up because it does resonate.
00:12:02
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you know, on a deep level, like some people, they feel like it's describing their secret self, you know, because some people are not really living the lives that they want to live. And so when you tell them, oh, you're this and this and this, it's like that was a secret to them. Like they say, wow, it's really creepy. It's so eerie how accurate it is, because I haven't even told anybody that I want to do that.
00:12:24
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Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and it yes. Sorry, no, I was just going to say, you know, it's, ah it's not as though I've always been on this path either. You know, there was a time in my life where, where I was lost and that I i didn't know this. And it took a lot of soul searching and healing for me to, to pursue this, this endeavor in my life. So that's.
00:12:46
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That's very, very interesting. And you know, what's interesting is in Chinese medicine, they teach us about yin yang, dark light. so yin is light, or sorry, yin is dark and yang is light. So, you know, yin would be the moon and yang would be the sun.
00:13:03
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And you see with the yin yang symbol, they're connected and they have a little bit of each other. You know, there's a black dot in the white and there's a white dot in the black. They don't exist without each other.
00:13:14
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And this permeates the entire universe, including the psyche of man. So every person has a dark and a light, a yin and a yang side to their psyche. So you cannot be off track in the video game. You're always going to be on your track that you're programmed to be on.
00:13:31
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But you can be on either the dark side of your programming or the light side of your programming. And the dark side of the programming is the exact opposite of the light. So with the three program, which is your first vibration in my life path number, on the positive side, you have happiness adds up to three.
00:13:49
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but angry adds up to three. You have truth adds up to three, but con artist adds up to three. So on the negative side of this number, we feel angry.
00:14:00
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On the positive side, we have happiness, we bring happiness, love adds up to three, truth, profit adds up to three. So when we are on our positive side, all we care about is the truth.
00:14:11
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And when we're on the negative side, we become like Hillary Clinton, who is a life path three, a total sociopath. Sociopath adds up to three. Con artist adds up to three. So this is the shadow side. Everybody has a shadow and a light.
00:14:24
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And then with the six, you find the same thing. You find on the positive side, lucky, winner, perfect, healthy. These words all add up to six. And on the negative side, it's the exact opposite. You you see they're not healthy.
00:14:38
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They're not doing well. You know, with the eight, Narcissist adds up to eight. That's the negative side. And then angel adds up to eight. That's the positive side. So whatever positive side is, the exact opposite is the negative side.
00:14:51
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And this is often why people have so much regret after exploring the shadow side, because it is the exact opposite from their positive side. And so they feel a lot of shame when they think back to how they acted in their shadow.
00:15:04
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You know, because it's not it's like when you're in your positive side, you're like, that's not me at all. so That's the opposite of me, you know, because it's really truly the opposite of you. But it's all part of your programming and you can't escape that programming. But it is a I feel that the goal here on Earth in this video game is to seek the light and to walk on that positive path of your program.
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But let's get back to the episode.
Shadow Work and Mineral Importance
00:16:29
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You know, I've studied ah sort of this so shadow work concept from the Jungian perspective. I'm really curious about your thoughts on what that looks like ah just from from your learnings.
00:16:43
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Like what the young, the shadow archetypes that young mapped out? Just kind of the great work of of exploring that that yin and yang dichotomy to achieve that light. You know, what what does that work kind of entail?
00:16:58
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Well, you know, young believe that everything you hate about others reflects a part of you and something that you hate in yourself. So it reflects your shadow self.
00:17:08
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So, you know, I made this post a few months ago that said social media is collective shadow work. Because you find a lot of times, you know, if you make a post or share an opinion, people will come onto the post and they're mad at you.
00:17:23
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They're angry, you know, they project something negative onto you that doesn't really have anything to do with you. So this is a lot of times you see with social media, you know, on the internet, people are very nasty and very ugly and they act very mean online.
00:17:38
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So online, social media is a very interesting place because it's a place where people a lot of the time express their shadow. i don't i don't know exactly why it brings out people's shadow, but it really does.
00:17:52
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And people will say this, they'll say, oh, everybody's mean on the internet. You know, everybody's a bitch online. and And then they say they say, if you met me in real life, you wouldn't say this to my face.
00:18:03
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So there is something very interesting happening, but I feel that it is part of the journey to becoming the positive side of yourself is exploring the shadow.
00:18:15
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um when my dad was on his deathbed, my best friend went and visited him and he was kind of napping there and she said, Hey, Hey John, how you doing? What are you, what are you up to? And he said, Oh, you know, just doing shadow work, and know just, but just looking at, you know, cause you're, that's where you really see the shadow the most is when you're weak at the end of your life, maybe, or you have health issues because the physical body, so the organic robot requires minerals to conduct electricity or to conduct the light.
00:18:49
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So I believe that those electromagnetic minerals are what create enough light that we can operate the light side of our programs in our consciousness.
00:19:00
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So when people are very, very low in electricity, because they're low in minerals, they are naturally switching over to their shadow side. Like, you know, when I was a teenager, I wasn't getting enough nutrition, I wasn't getting enough, um you know, love and support in life. And I was always switching over into my shadow into my shadow.
00:19:21
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And then when I worked out my health and got my minerals and remineralized, I felt like it was so easy to be on my positive side. It was so easy to be happy. It was so easy to share love.
00:19:34
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So the minerals, in my opinion, are a big piece of switching back into that positive side. Like, i think it is I think it is an interesting experience to face your shadow and see your shadow and integrate your shadow and love your shadow. Like really to to love the narcissist, because your shadow on your life path, your shadow is the narcissist.
00:19:55
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And to love the narcissist, because sometimes you need him. Sometimes you have to pull him out, you know, for certain situations or people, you know, there's there might be an experience where you have to be the narcissist just to protect yourself.
00:20:11
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So there are ways that we can use the shadow in a positive way. But for us to live out our positive potential, we need minerals. We need light in our cells, in our blood. You know, the blood is 55% plasma.
00:20:24
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And plasma is this kind of saltwater mineral solution. And so the blood is the electrical fluid of the organic robot. And that's rushing over the whole body, every organ in the brain.
00:20:37
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And the kidneys are charging the blood with what they call in Chinese medicine, medicine yin yang energy or jing or essence. So your kidneys are charging up your blood. And that's why people need to go to bed at night.
00:20:50
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When the kidneys get their juice, you know, from 10 to 1 a.m., m people have to go to bed at night so that the kidneys can function and charge your blood so that your blood is charged and it can provide that charged blood for the brain so that you can be your positive potential.
00:21:07
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So you need minerals, you need hydration, but you need proper sleep to get into that positive persona.
00:21:15
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Very interesting. No, I completely agree. The minerals um kind of form this, this, you know, this structure, this lattice, you know, I studied a little bit of like the bioenergetics for a while. And I found it so interesting looking at like, um sort of the energetics that come with different minerals.
00:21:35
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and yeah You know, the how they provide this resonance for our biological structures. you you know, that yeah energetic patterns, you know, like we're seeing the Fibonacci sequence, like these, these fundamental natural patterns.
00:21:49
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that the lattice, the structure, that's really true, they create the structure. And I don't think anything can function without that light, the light that they conduct, nothing can really function. So to me, that's,
00:22:02
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you know, foundational that people have to get minerals and then they need proper hydration. They need good water because water is a solvent. And so if your water doesn't have minerals, it's going to steal the minerals from your body. People will say, I hear this all the time. They'll say, you don't need minerals in your water because you get minerals from your food, but you really truly do need minerals in your water because again, water is a solvent So if the minerals aren't there, it will just steal the minerals you got from the food.
00:22:29
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And what's the point of that? It's like, okay, so you're going to eat those minerals, process them just to lose them to this empty water. So people getting good water is important for mineralization as well. You need good water, you know, spring water with minerals, and then you need good organic forms of minerals. You know, in chemistry, there's organic forms and inorganic forms.
00:22:51
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Organic forms are bound to carbon and carbon-based life forms like plants and animals. So we're meant to get our minerals not from rock, not from the and inorganic sources, but from the organic sources in foods.
00:23:05
Speaker
Amazing. So is that sort of the argument for why reverse osmosis water isn't necessarily the the best water to drink? Yeah. Yeah. That's the main one is that it's demineralized. And as we've been pushing RO, as they have been pushing RO on the public,
00:23:20
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More and more research is coming out, more studies are coming out to show that people who drink RO water, they have higher incidences of tooth decay because there's no minerals and the minerals are being stolen from your saliva, stolen from your skeleton.
00:23:34
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um that they have higher and incidences of cardiovascular diseases, that they have extremely low levels of vitamin D. A lot of the time they have very low vitamin D and people will say, oh, well just remineralize the water, duh.
00:23:48
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But most people don't know how to remineralize RO water. They don't know the the the electrolytes, the ratio of electrolytes. you know They don't have the equipment or the understanding to properly remineralize water. I see a lot of people saying, Just add a pinch of salt.
00:24:06
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Well, you're going to add a pinch of salt, which will add a a lot of sodium, but it's not going to add the amounts of calcium and potassium and magnesium that we need for human health that you find in a good spring water.
00:24:16
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And water is so complex. You know, we really are only kind of scratching the surface of what water is. We're understanding that it has a consciousness. that it gives us consciousness.
00:24:29
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You know, there's people like Veda Austin that are showing that water can etch pictures into ice and take photographs in a way. um And then, you know, there's experiments where people are showing how water is affected by negative emotions.
00:24:43
Speaker
So water is very complex. And I don't think you can just empty a water Remove every mineral it's it's collected over hundreds of years that it's been digesting because water is a digestive in a way. You know, our digestive, our hydrochloric acid is an acid water.
00:25:02
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It is a water. So, you know, water digests. You know, if you soak things in water, they start to digest. So the the water travels through the earth for however long, and it picks up all these different minerals, inorganic minerals that it digests, um organic forms of minerals from soils.
00:25:23
Speaker
And it's got all these different organisms. It's a whole universe in there. And then we think we can strip it down to nothing and add a pinch of salt or add a drop of trace minerals or add whatever people think they can add and that that will be a healthy water to drink. And that just doesn't make sense to me.
00:25:42
Speaker
Hmm. So tell me, is there a way to properly remineralize water? Like, because I've fallen into this trap of, yeah, you need to remineralize your water. And it's so, you know, fall into that same trap. So what if you're stuck drinking RL water, like what's, what do you do? Yeah.
00:25:59
Speaker
Well, it is quite complicated. And again, i I often wonder if you can do instant remineralization or if it doesn't become one with the water and then you end up losing,
00:26:12
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um some of your minerals anyway. So, you know, there's just not enough information and there's not enough research showing what we can do and if it is safe, if it does work. But I did hear from one woman, one who was using coral calcium plus magnesium plus a potassium powder plus sodium and then volvic minerals.
00:26:35
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So she had five products. that she was adding to the water, the RO water. And she said, yeah, I do feel like it's hydrating me now because she was one of the people. Cause I had hundreds of people when we did our big water conversation on my page. Cause that's kind of one thing I do on my Instagram page is I host these community conversations.
00:26:56
Speaker
So one thing we found in the health space is that there was a lot of censorship like zeolite reps and water filter reps would delete negative reviews. They would bleach the internet of negative reviews. So I started posting everybody's negative reviews just as a way to give them a voice and give them a platform.
00:27:13
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And so as part of our big water conversation, our like, we had a community conversation about different water filters and how people feel on different kinds of waters. And the worst rated water was the reverse osmosis. And even people who remineralized it said this water never hydrated me. I always felt like shit.
00:27:31
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And, um, the one woman who had come to me and said that her water wasn't hydrating her So I was talking about how the issue is that they're not adding calcium. They're not adding potassium, like pristine hydro.
00:27:43
Speaker
As an example, they add everything back except for potassium. They'll like, and not everything. I just mean, they add the electrolytes. They'll add calcium, magnesium. They add silica. Um,
00:27:54
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but they don't add potassium. Potassium is missing. So people were developing pots, drinking their water. They were developing potassium deficiency diseases, drinking their water because that water missing potassium is now going to take the potassium from your body.
00:28:11
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um So anyway, this, this one woman, she said that when she added the coral calcium, the magnesium, the potassium, the sodium from salt and the vulvic minerals that she was finally feeling hydrated on that water.
00:28:24
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Wow. but But that's a lot of stuff that you got. You know, that's a lot of like I feel like, oh, my God, it's just it's just easier to go to find a spring dot org and see if there's a fresh spring near you that has good, clean spring water and drink that or pass it through a carbon filter if you're worried about contaminants or if you have a good tap water, because a lot of people in the United States.
00:28:47
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actually have good tap water, 60% of water in the United States is unfluoridated, no fluoride added. So you have to check because a lot of people have good water. And then sometimes it just has chlorine or chloramines.
00:29:00
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And you can remove that with carbon. You can use a carbon filter that removes a lot of contaminants without removing essential minerals. So I think those are the be better options because we found yesterday actually, it was only yesterday we found this out, that cooking with RO water removes the minerals from the foods like in exponentially higher amounts than using non-RO water.
00:29:24
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Like they found when you use mineral water to cook, the calcium levels of the foods actually increased. But when you used RO water to cook, all of the mineral levels dropped by huge amounts, like 66% or more.
00:29:37
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So it seems like, damn, this water is really trying to become whole again. it's It's had its soul removed. You know, because soul comes from s SOL, Soleil, you know, salt water mineral solution. Soleil, the etymology on that is coming from water or coming from ocean.
00:29:55
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So soul is the salt water mineral solution of the body. And it's the water soul, you know, that salt water mineral solution, that's its soul. And we remove the soul.
00:30:06
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And then we think, you know, okay, I can just add a little soul back. I don't know if we can do that. It sounds a little, you know, it sounds a little, um what's the word? ah It's, it's, ah I just want to caution people that, you know, it it can, if your teeth start hurting,
00:30:24
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if your teeth start hurting or you like when I was drinking RO water, my molar started crumbling. And I hear that from a lot of people that their teeth were suddenly developing cavities when they had never had cavities in their life after drinking RO water. So I would just say to people, you know, if you feel good on the water, great.
00:30:43
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We're happy for you. But if your teeth hurt or you got cracked heels or headaches or migraines or your skin's dry, then just go to spring. or carbon filtered, just find an alternative and, you know.
00:30:57
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Yeah, amazing. Great great great discussion. Not one you hear too often. So I'm really, yeah really glad. and And one thing that that I absolutely do love about your pages is you giving ah a voice to two individuals and especially concerning one inorganic volcanic mineral, which I would just love to to dive into.
00:31:20
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um Of course, I'm i'm asking about zeolite now.
Zeolites and Mineral Skepticism
00:31:25
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you know Full disclosure, like i'm I've changed my mind on this and i i have I've taken it in the past.
00:31:33
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I was convinced I was I was totally caught by the marketing. you know and I and I even but I even read the studies. I read the papers on animals and I i still ah the the rhetoric still convinced me. um But obviously, you know, I was overwhelmed by all the positive reviews and not realizing that there was something else at play there. So I just love to hear a little bit about zeolite.
00:32:01
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Well, and that's that's what's happened to a lot of people is because these Zeolite companies and Zeolite reps have bleached the internet of negative reviews, It has become so difficult for so many people to figure out whether this product is good or bad.
00:32:16
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um Because, you know, when you when you only see positive reviews, you're going to think, wow, this is a great product. But actually, that' that tipped off a lot of people, which I was impressed by. People actually said to me, i didn't take Zeolite because I could only find positive reviews.
00:32:34
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And that seemed very suspicious to me because even really safe products like magnesium or fish oil, you know, like cold pressed fish oil or, you know, things that are pretty standard in the industry, even they get negative reviews.
00:32:47
Speaker
So why does this, why does this detox product that comes with a list of, of supposed herx symptoms to describe the negative side effects why does this one not have any negative reviews anywhere that's what some people ask themselves and that's what made them not take it but for a lot of people it actually just made it look like it was a miracle product Like, wow, this is amazing. but Nobody's having any issues with it.
00:33:13
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But then I started posting the negative reviews and that attracted more people that had had horrible experiences with zeolites, that they wanted to share their story. And that, you know, that's real, that's informed consent, which a lot of those people that sell zeolites, they are part of the anti-vaccine movement.
00:33:33
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And they're always rallying against the pharmaceutical companies and against the doctors for not giving people informed consent. And then they pull the biggest hypocrisy in the wellness space by not giving people informed consent about their product, by not telling people, by the way, you know, some people have reported seizures, attacks, heart attacks.
00:33:52
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um dementia, epilepsy, like really crazy stuff has happened to people after taking zeolites. And it makes sense, right? Because they go on and on about how it magnetizes to positively charge cations. Well, many of your essential minerals are positively charged cations.
00:34:11
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Potassium is positively charged. Calcium, magnesium, manganese, iron, chromium, zinc, copper. And they're giving this stuff to babies. They're giving this stuff to newborn babies and pregnant women who need those essential minerals the most because they're in this they're in this stage of life where they're growing rapidly. Or, you know, in the case of a pregnant woman, she's creating a human in her belly. She needs all the zinc, copper, iron, chromium and electrolytes that she can get.
00:34:39
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And they're telling pregnant women and telling moms to give this to their babies when they babies need iron so bad. Iron is crucial for a child's development, an infant.
00:34:53
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And they're removing the iron. So, you know, they go on and on about how, oh, yeah, it removes positively charged cations and the heavy metals are positively charged. Well, guess what?
00:35:04
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Many of your essential minerals are in the class of heavy metal. You know, zinc is a heavy metal, but it's an essential mineral. A child can't even grow without zinc. You have no immunity without zinc.
00:35:16
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So, you know, these people are not experts. They're not experts in metals or heavy metals. People hear, it's such a buzz phrase, they hear heavy metals and they instantly think, yeah but heavy metals, heavy just means the weight of the metal.
00:35:32
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So the weight of the metal is heavy. You know, like aluminum is not even in the class of heavy metal because it's not heavy enough. But it's aluminum is not ideal in high amounts in the body, you know. So there's metals that are not heavy metals that are dangerous.
00:35:49
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And then there's metals that are heavy metals that are not dangerous. So heavy metals doesn't tell anybody anything about anything. And that's what these people have done is they've come in pretending to be metal experts, heavy metal detox experts.
00:36:02
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And they're absolutely not. They don't even know the basics. They don't even know that zinc and copper are heavy metals and essential for life. You know, and they they say bullshit. Like they'll say it only takes out the bad metals, not the good ones. It exchanges the bad ones for the good ones through ion exchange.
00:36:20
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Bullshit. Like it's yeah, it might it might take calcium from you and then give you sodium. But why would you want that? You know, why would you want that? We can just salt our foods if we want more sodium. We don't want to lose calcium.
00:36:33
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And, you know, my husband, he's working on a documentary. I think you've messaged with him, actually. Yes. Yeah. He's working on a documentary. And what he has uncovered is just so shocking. Like there's so many scammers, swindlers and villains that In this zeolite space, you know, like we have found once a zeolite company is exposed for fraud or in the case of Wayora, which was one of the original zeolite companies, they were fined $12 million. dollars And then the people involved in Wayora, like Eddie Stone, have you heard of Eddie Stone from Touchstone Essentials PBX?
00:37:09
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Well, he was part of Wayora that was fined 12 million. And then after they get fined, they just start a new one. so They just start. They just start a new one. Like, it's so villainous to me.
00:37:23
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um You know, they don't learn from anything. And there's no regulations in the United States supplement industry. Since 1994, they haven't been regulating anything. You know, everybody talks about the FDA. yeah The FDA is in our supplements. No, they're not. They don't give a shit.
00:37:37
Speaker
You know, but they don't care. And they haven't been regulating your supplements since 1994. And that's why there's so many scammers in the United States supplement industry. But I come from Canada.
00:37:49
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And so I worked in the Canadian health industry for 17 years. And we have the most red tape in our industry. of any health industry in the entire world, of any country in the entire world.
00:37:59
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So we have NPN numbers on our products, natural product number, that has to have 10 years of research, It's all approved by Health Canada. um We have to submit negative reviews to Health Canada. Like if a customer comes back and says, I want a refund on this vitamin C, it gave me diarrhea.
00:38:18
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Then we have to go, yes, ma'am, of course, and give them the refund and then write down what happened to them and submit that to the company. And they have to submit that to Health Canada. So there's just a lot more regulations in Canada. Like so many products were pulled off the shelves.
00:38:33
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in 2008 in Canada when we got these NPN numbers. And, you know, I saw a lot of fear. I saw a lot of people, oh, we don't want the government in our stuff and kind of losing it a little bit.
00:38:44
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And in the end, what I saw was a safer industry, a safer health industry, better products and people that, you know, if they didn't have the money to do the research, they couldn't put a product out.
00:38:55
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And I don't really see a problem with that. If you want to put a product out, get some capital, get some cash, do the research, and then put your product out. so You know, unfortunately, the United States supplement industry is the opposite.
00:39:10
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They will. And you'll see this and in the wellness space that's dominated by these United States companies that they gaslight customers. Like if a customer comes to them and says, I had a seizure or I had to rush my child to the ah ER with a seizure. This is a real case that happened.
00:39:26
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with touch touchstone essentials, PBX is a mother gave it to her toddler. The toddler immediately got a seizure. She rushed her to the ER and then she reported that to PBX touchstone essentials. And then, and then when we contacted touchstone essentials, I think a week later or so, uh, they said, no, we haven't received any reports on seizures.
00:39:48
Speaker
So there's a lot of lying. There's a lot of gaslighting, you know, they'll tell customers that's, that's detox. That's a good thing. You're toxic. That's a good thing. Like it's a, it's a good thing that you have rashes all over your body. It's a good thing that you can't get out of bed and you're suddenly bedridden.
00:40:03
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So they gaslight customers. They lie. They, you know, on lying, you'll see these kinds of reps just blocking customers. If the customer didn't have a good experience, they just block them. Um, you know, cause they've, they're in their mind, they're thinking, well, they're not going to buy from me again, so I don't need you. Bye.
00:40:20
Speaker
So just a lot of nefarious characters in the United States, uh, wellness space. So, you know, and I think the Americans deserve better. You know, and in the United States, there's this spirit of freedom.
00:40:32
Speaker
There's always this spirit of freedom, you know, and so they think that they're engaging in freedom by buying supplements and fuck the man, fuck the pharma. But it's like these guys are pharma too.
00:40:43
Speaker
ah You know, these guys are the same where they're selling poisons, masked as medicine, and they're fooling you. But the difference is with pharma, they give you a long list of side effects.
00:40:56
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to be aware of. Whereas with the United States supplement industry, they say, no, no, there's no side effects on natural products. It's natural, no side effects. So yeah it's it's the same, it's the same enemy. You know, the pharma and the neutra, the nutraceuticals, the pharmaceuticals, it's all the same stuff. It's all the same people. 100%.
00:41:14
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hundred percent you know the he forget that well People forget that the the wellness market, like the the natural supplement market is much larger than the pharmaceutical industry as well. It's like five or six trillion dollars versus like one or two trillion, which is an interesting thing. You know what's so funny?
00:41:34
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I'd never thought I'd have ah an episode on this podcast where we were making the pharmaceutical companies look better than the natural companies. It's 100% true and it's a big problem.
00:41:46
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Yeah, and they're villains too. They're villains too, but they follow the laws of karma, you know, where you have to tell your victim what you're doing to them. You know, what do they call that in the occult? um The method of revelation.
00:42:02
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or revelation of the method. you know they They have this name for this occult ah practice of telling you what they're doing to you and getting your consent before doing it. And so that's what they do with all those side effect lists, the manufacturer's packet insert.
00:42:18
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That's what they're doing. They're telling you exactly what's going to happen. There's even death written in some of these side effect lists. they They write death as a side effect and they give that to you and then you go, yup, okay, and you take it. So, you know, they're they're working with these laws of karma to evade um obstruction on their path, you know, because if everybody's giving the consent, then are you really doing anything wrong? You know, that's how they're thinking, you know.
00:42:43
Speaker
Of course, they are doing something wrong because, you know, it's manipulative and they're taking advantage of people that are not reading the fine print. You know, because people don't read the fine print. But at least, you know, at least it's there if you want to read it. But you don't find that with supplements.
00:42:57
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um But in the Canadian health industry, on the bottles, they have long lists of contraindications and who can't take it and all that stuff. So, yeah. where Whereas in the United States supplement industry, you don't have that, like they don't really track any of that. So we would love to get that changed, especially for zeolites.
00:43:16
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We would love for zeolites to come with a packet insert that describes all the different side effects that people experience on those products so that people can actually make an informed decision.
Balancing Heavy Metals and Minerals
00:43:27
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you know Instead of damaging this new generation of babies and children, which just absolutely breaks my heart that so many children have been demineralized so early in life, it just breaks my heart.
00:43:39
Speaker
It's so unnecessary. And these mothers were trying to do the best for their kids. They were trying to protect them from the toxic world that they had had been conditioned to believe um to believe in. So yeah, it's it's just tragic all all around because they had the best intentions, the moms did, the ones that wanted to help their babies. but You know, then they stripped them down. We had reports of babies going gray on zeolites, babies teeth turning translucent and falling apart. Like, wow, it's yeah, it's it's horrible what they've done. So what I've noticed is, um you know, because our our narrative kind of up beyond terrain is the root causes, toxicities, deficiencies, traumas, physical, but psychological issues.
00:44:23
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You know, and what I've noticed is there are a few zeolite salesmen that follow the page and I've noticed their narrative shift as well as, oh, we are addressing the root cause. It's not just a parasite cleanse. We're addressing the root cause. And they kind of shift that.
00:44:36
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that narrative in favor of their sales pitch, of course, which is good business move. um yeah So what i'm what I'm kind of ah assuming will happen now, and it it already does happen is, oh, well, the PBX, the, what is it, Clinapolite, the natural zeolite, you know, these aren't synthesized in a lab. These are much better for you. You know, these are just natural volcanic rocks and they painted in this picture as natural and thus good.
00:45:04
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Yeah, and healthy, you know, which is is absolutely not necessarily the case. No, you know, is there a difference in zeolite from from the stories that you've heard, and that you guys are document, you know, is it does it still occur with these so called natural zeolites?
00:45:20
Speaker
Absolutely, because even the natural zeolites remove essential minerals. So, you know, a lot of the side effects that people experience from any zeolite product are side effects from mineral deficiencies, like from minerals being removed from your body.
00:45:34
Speaker
So whether it's natural or synthetic, they're all going to remove minerals from your body. And my husband recently read a study showing that clonoptilolite, the natural form,
00:45:45
Speaker
that it does break down into aluminum in the body, you know, because they all say, oh, no, no, it's inert. The aluminum doesn't break down. Well, the newest the newest study shows that it does break down.
00:45:56
Speaker
And so you're you're releasing aluminum into your system, and that's natural and synthetic. You know, i saw a sales rep for this clinoptilolite natural PBX zeolite. I saw a sales rep saying to her audience, no, it doesn't have any aluminum because it's the natural one.
00:46:14
Speaker
but But they all have aluminum, you know, because that's the that's the composition of that rock. It's an aluminosilicate. So it has aluminum with silica.
00:46:25
Speaker
It's aluminum bound to silica and it has some zinc or it has some other metals, but it's aluminum based. It's an aluminum based rock. And this is just what I really want the public to know is that humans are not designed to consume rocks.
00:46:41
Speaker
We're just not. Yeah, we're not. yeah we're we're not That's not our food. Like plants eat the rocks, animals eat the plants, and then we eat the plants or the animals. That's just the cycle. That's the circle of life, you know? Yeah.
00:46:59
Speaker
Oh, wow. You know, so, you know, one thing that that because i was that was one thing that I was worried about. And when I went to read the literature, i found papers on cows and they tested their minerals and they said everything was fine, you know. So are we just falling in the same trap of like redo the study until you get the result that you want? And obviously, no. OK, let me let me tell you about that cow study. When they give zeolites to cows, this is not as a dietary supplement. This is not as a detox.
00:47:29
Speaker
When they give zeolites to cows, it's as an anti-caking agent at less than 1% in the feed. So what what they actually showed was that as long as it's less than 1% in the feed, that it's not high enough in the feed to affect the cows.
00:47:50
Speaker
So this is not like they were giving them zeolite sprays for detoxing metals. They were simply using an aluminosilicate to... ah absorb moisture because zeolates are very, very dehydrating.
00:48:03
Speaker
That's another reason they harm people so much because they dehydrate your system. So they're using this, um they're using this ah material, this rock as an anti-caking agent to absorb moisture in the feed, but they found they have to keep it at less than 1%. Otherwise the chickens stop laying eggs and they do start developing issues.
00:48:27
Speaker
so It's just in a trace amount. So then the sales reps, they take that study. I saw sales reps like Talia Cruz and her little crew. I saw them take that study and say, see, it's safe for breastfeeding mothers because this cow study showed that it doesn't deplete minerals.
00:48:47
Speaker
So that means it's safe for you to give your babies and it's safe for you to take while you're pregnant and breastfeeding. But that does not equate because... This is an anti-caking agent at less than 1% in the feed. It's in such a trace amount just to absorb moisture. It's not being given in multiple sprays per day. You know, it's not being given as a supplement.
00:49:07
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And then they're giving babies, pregnant women, mothers, high amounts of zeolites. So it's completely different. And they found that for humans, they can't go above 2% when they use the synthetic zeolite as an anti-caking agent and creamers and spices and stuff.
00:49:25
Speaker
they can't go above 2%. Otherwise health issues start to develop. So those studies are being totally misunderstood and misconstrued. Yeah. Wow.
00:49:36
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Like the chickens stopped laying eggs if they went above 1%. Yeah. yeah and Infertility. but Yeah. Well, one of the highest, yeah. One of the worst symptoms of them all.
00:49:48
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um Yeah. You know, it's it's ah It's interesting to me, the the degree of hypocrisy that's occurring too, you know, because if you apply that logic of, oh, we tested it on cows and chickens, it's safe for babies and pregnant ladies, you know, you would absolutely never...
00:50:09
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ever appreciate that external validity. You would say that's nonsense, that that's not a proper clinical trial. I mean, there's not a modern academic scientist that would accept that or an alternative one.
00:50:20
Speaker
And for some reason, it's still being perpetuated on the people as, oh, look at this. And that's the strong rhetoric and the positive ah stories and stuff. And of course, it's it's pulling on the heartstrings of of mothers and and yeah children are suffering. But you know, we're not just going to exchange suffering for more suffering, right? And and they end up yeah um we cannot be, ah you know, have any hypocrisy when it comes to, um to assessing this data and and the literature, right?
00:50:50
Speaker
Exactly. And that's the thing is that in the zeolite space, you find the most hypocrisy of all, you know, that they do exactly what they accuse the pharmaceutical reps and the pharmaceutical companies of doing.
00:51:02
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So, and you know, I really want people to know that you really don't want to ever detox metals because if you're going to detox the bad metals, that means the good metals are going to be taken as well.
00:51:15
Speaker
So you can't just detox only bad metals. It's not possible. And there's an expert in heavy metals, Dr. Boyd Haley. And he says that if you were to test, if you wanted to test for heavy metals, you'd have to cut open the whole body.
00:51:29
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and test every organ because metals are all deposited differently. You know, mercury goes in the fat cells, lead in the bone. So when people say, oh well, I did this uligo or I did this test through my hand or I did a hair trace mineral analysis or so that means I'm toxic in metals.
00:51:46
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No, it doesn't because all of the metals have different functions in the body, you know, kind kind of how you were talking before about the personality and expression of minerals and metals. You know, they act differently. They all have a different ah purpose. They're all deposited differently.
00:52:02
Speaker
So you can't just take the hair and use that as a gauge for what's in the body. The hair doesn't reflect what's in the bone, what's in the organs, what's in the fat cells. And it This is not the solution because, again, if you remove the bad metals, you're also going to be removing the good. There's no way of getting the bad out without taking the good.
00:52:22
Speaker
So what I want people to know is that the real solution is to correct your nutrient deficiencies As an example, if you are high in mercury or you feel that you have symptoms indicating that you're high in mercury, selenium is the mineral that regulates mercury.
00:52:38
Speaker
So you would increase selenium either through a whole food supplement or beef or pork or seafood. And, um, you could use your symptoms to determine, you know, if you if you really think, oh, maybe I have high mercury, just look at the symptoms and see, and then do it safely with food sources of selenium. And that's going to regulate, selenium does a lot. It regulates mercury, cadmium, arsenic, lead, calcium regulates lead. So if people are worried about lead, they just need more calcium.
00:53:09
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um But, you know, I kind of have this saying, regulate rather than bind or chelate. So regulate the minerals with other essential minerals, because all of those essential minerals play together like a family.
00:53:22
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They all interact with each other. It's like this whole little universe. You know, these minerals are all playing together. They antagonize each other. You know, zinc and copper balance each other. So if you have too much copper, you take zinc or vice versa.
00:53:34
Speaker
So that's I know it's a little more complex and it takes a little more learning than just spray this in your mouth. But it's the real solution. You know, it's the real solution rather than fucking yourself over and your family, you know.
00:53:48
Speaker
100%. Yeah. yeah Getting back to nature, eating the whole foods, you know, that's where that's where longevity is at. Yes. You know, I learned in that when I studied biochemistry in university, ah we learned obviously a lot about enzymes and and cofactors. And i remember actually reading a few studies on ah arsenic being a necessary cofactor for certain proteins, obviously in low amounts. but Thank you. Thank you. sort of We've demonized heavy metals and it's sort of ah yeah a scapegoat now. And do I agree with, you know, um the amount of heavy metals that are polluting our environment? Absolutely not. You know, through mining practices or exhausts.
00:54:27
Speaker
But it's not as though there aren't natural heavy metals that we encounter. Like in spring water, people freak out when there's a few heavy metals or a little bit of fluoride in it. And it's like, this is a natural thing that our bodies are designed to be able to deal with, regulate, manage when we are in a tune with nature consuming a natural diet.
00:54:44
Speaker
Yeah, you know, but of course, you know, in this modern world, there are, you know, different levels of of metals. Now there is an imbalance. And, you know, if you're consuming ah and modern agriculture, you know, our soil is is certainly depleted in certain ah minerals, or at least depleted in, ah you know, microbes and and worms to be able to for plants to be able to utilize those minerals, but um slightly different discussion. I just think that's an important point. It sounds like that's the hit sort of a chord for you there too.
00:55:14
Speaker
Yeah. Well, i I wanted to say thank you because um you know, I had been telling people, about the veterinarian Dr. Joel Wallach who found many biological purposes for arsenic and one of the longest living cultures in Italy they were drinking a really high arsenic spring water and they were all about right they were all healthy and wonderful and um I do think it's like you know that there is a lot of fear-mongering around metals that's not really ah based in reality. you know that You know, metals are not really what's causing people's health issues.
00:55:50
Speaker
I would say that not having the basics down is causing the majority of health issues. Eating late at night, not getting the sunrise, not sleeping at night, um not eating the right foods, not eating enough, not eating three times a day, skipping meals, like just get the foundations in place.
00:56:06
Speaker
and see if you feel better before you start stripping all your metals metals away. But yeah, it did it did strike a chord because I was teaching people about that, that you know new studies are now showing that there's biological purposes for arsenic.
00:56:21
Speaker
But it's like there's not a lot of human studies because we're not really researching on humans. We're researching on animals. But it's showing that animals have these biological purposes for arsenic. And then Matt Blackburn did a podcast where they said they were definitely talking about me because they were talking about arsenic.
00:56:41
Speaker
um how you know spring water is bad, zeolites are good, and that can you believe can you believe some people are even saying arsenic is an essential mineral?
00:56:52
Speaker
So they were kind of like you know mocking me or whatever they were doing, I don't know. um I didn't listen, but I just, someone someone had showed me the title of the podcast episode and it was like, and can you believe people are even calling arsenic an essential mineral?
00:57:07
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It's like, yeah, we really have so far to go to really understand earth. You know, we are earthlings. We come from earth and inside the earth are metals.
00:57:17
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You are never, ever going to escape metals. Every food on the planet contains metals, every single one. You know, people will say to me, oh, no, I found out that there's arsenic in this food.
00:57:29
Speaker
And then I'll have to show them every food arsenic, every one, every fruit, vegetable, meat, all of them. It's because it's coming from Earth. Earth has arsenic, cadmium, radon, all of these metals and isotopes. All of this stuff is coming from the Earth and the ocean.
00:57:46
Speaker
You know, the ocean is full of metals. It's full of metals. It comes from the underwater volcanoes. They erupt and then they disperse metals. And then the fish. the seafood, they convert those metals into organic forms.
00:58:00
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And, you know, organic forms of arsenic, I would argue that organic forms of arsenic are necessary for health. yeah The organic forms of arsenic that you get from seafood is necessary for health, along with the other metals.
00:58:13
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And they all regulate each other and they all balance each other. So that, you know, we have a long way to go to get out of this whole toxic world fear. Heavy metals are causing everyone's health issues.
00:58:26
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You know, there was such a big incentive for these zeolite reps. There was huge commissions. There is huge commissions on these products. So these people were incentivized to fear monger.
00:58:38
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They were incentivized to drill people. It's toxic. Everything's toxic, toxic world, heavy metals, heavy metals, heavy metals. They were incentivized to do that. So we were not getting educated from experts in heavy metals or experts of nature. You know, we were getting educated by people who had an agenda to make money on a detox product.
00:58:58
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Yeah. Yeah, well put. um Yeah, and a good point is that, you know, those zeolites are cost literally nothing to make. um who They're very expensive and they cost nothing to make. That's why they can really incentivize the the sales are out there.
00:59:13
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Yes. um yeah yeah yeah A point I wanted to make really quick, you know, just to avoid any logical contradictions. And I'd love to hear your thoughts. But, you know, the idea that we're we're now saying, you know, you don't necessarily need to fear metals like we've all been been told to. um But what about zeolite? Isn't zeolite a metal? Should we just not fear zeolite since it's, you know, it's made out of aluminum? What are we even worried about?
00:59:35
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Well, like, well, first of all, I think what I'm gathering from the argument is that, you know, it's ah we're worried about mineral depletion with zeolite. That's the the major concern. that So it's not necessarily the toxicity from the aluminum, although there does there seems to be some breakdown with that.
00:59:52
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yeah Again, you know, from from our perspective, you know, we generally take the the stance that, you know, what getting back to sort of more ancestral principles is is a healthy thing to do.
01:00:03
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um Consumption of volcanic stones that are ground up into. uh nano sizes and you know but these things are processed in laboratories and it is consumed in an unnatural fashion so there is a lot of you know unnatural nature to the consumption of of these um of these you know natural quote-unquote uh minerals volcanic rocks um you know and and that kind of aligns with with our argument you know that um
01:00:33
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of the amount of lead and cadmium and aluminum and beryllium that has rained down from exhaust from planes or comes out of car exhaust you know it's not great to inhale you know again an unnatural form rather than consuming a spring water with you know trace amounts of lead or fluoride or whatever it may be right so just a little bit of a of ah a point there i don't know if you have any any comments on that that's just sort of my thoughts so when i've gathered Well, I would say that you should be cautious about ah certain metals. I'm not saying that all metals are good. I'm saying that metals exist in the earth. You're not going to escape metals.
01:01:11
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But the metals in foods, you know, these organic forms of metals in food are necessary for health. But rocks are not food. You know, i'm I'm really interested in gemstones. I collect raw minerals. I study raw minerals.
01:01:24
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And there's some raw minerals that you can't even touch. They're so poisonous. They're so high in aluminum. They're so high in certain toxic metals that you can't even touch them. They're meant to just sit on a shelf and look pretty. And zeolite is one of them.
01:01:39
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And my husband actually interviewed a geologist that is an expert in zeolites. And he was shocked that people are consuming zeolites. He had no idea.
01:01:50
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He had no idea because he's in a different part of zeolite study. he's He's studying like they they study it for wastewater treatment, not for consumption, you know, wastewater treatment.
01:02:02
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Or, you know, he's studying the geological properties as a gemstone, as a rock, as an inorganic raw mineral. He's not studying it for, hey, can we give this to babies to detox?
01:02:14
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So he was shocked. He was blown away. He couldn't believe that people would eat the rocks. And any ah gemstone dealer or jeweler or geologists that you talk to is going to be absolutely horrified that people are giving zeolite rocks to babies.
01:02:32
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So, you know, that's just the one thing when you study gemstones and raw minerals, you find out that you don't really want to be handling a lot of them. And zeolite would be in that category because it's so high in aluminum.
01:02:43
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So you don't want to be handling them. You know, aluminum in an organic form in a food is going to act very differently. And it's got a lot of different metals to help you regulate it. You've got magnesium to bring down aluminum.
01:02:54
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You've got selenium to bring down aluminum, but you know, you can't be poisoning yourself with, with rocks, you know, what theses with these ah toxic, you know, concentrated metals.
01:03:06
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Yeah. Well, but so where does this leave us now? Kaylee, where do we leave the listener? ah You know, if we're not, if we're not telling them to consume rocks, what should they do?
Traditional Health Practices
01:03:18
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Don't eat rocks, eat food. Yeah. Just eat food. That's really what people need to be focusing on is getting the foundations in place, the foundations that your grandparents ah held true and your great grandparents. You know, I remember my grandmother always saying,
01:03:36
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well, don't you need nourishment? Because I'd be skipping breakfast or skipping lunch and she'd go, well, you're not gonna have any nourishment. and And you know, they're sunrise people. They're all about waking up for the morning, seeing the sun.
01:03:51
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And we lost a lot of those human traditions that kept us well. So I would just say to people to get back to human tradition, And that will get us back to human health. So get back to rising with the sun, seeing the sunrise, having your breakfast within an hour of waking, making sure that your breakfast and your lunch and your supper are easy to digest like soups and stews.
01:04:15
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And, um you know, go to bed early. It's really, really simple. Sunrise, eat three meals a day, make sure that they're digesting well and get to bed. And that's it. Wonderful, wonderful, beautiful message to finish off. Kelly, how can people learn more from you? Where can they find you on the internet? How can they support you? And so curious about this film that is soon to come out.
01:04:38
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Yes. that So they can follow my husband on, on the light of Hermes. He's a Virgo and Virgo is personified by Hermes, like Mercury. Yeah.
01:04:49
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So it's what's called The Light of Hermes. You can find him on TikTok and Instagram. And he's going to come out with that Zeolite documentary soon. There were so many interviews he had to do. He interviewed so many people that were injured by Zeolites.
01:05:01
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He interviewed owners of Zeolite companies, sales reps of Zeolites, tons of people. But um for me, you can find me on nutrition.elements on Instagram or TikTok.
01:05:12
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And you can find me on Patreon, patreon.com slash nutrition elements. And if you're interested in hearing my music, I'm on all the music platforms and Spotify and I record in 432 Hertz.
01:05:25
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And I tune my instruments in 432 hertz, which in some studies has shown to be more soothing than 440 hertz. Really cool. ah You know what? I haven't checked out your music and I'm to do that right as soon as we're done recording. Can't wait to do that. Thanks so much.
01:05:41
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Thank you so much for having me. Wonderful. No, this has been an amazing discussion. And I feel like we are only sp scratching the surface. So we might have to do another one in the future because you're a beautiful mind and you have a great message. So I do really, really appreciate your time today.
01:05:56
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