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The Lie That Keeps You Chronically Sick
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What if healing isn’t something you find, but something you remember?
In this deep and grounded conversation, I’m joined by Nicholas Leach, a rising voice in the terrain space, to explore what health really is, why fear is the most damaging biological toxin, and how healing emerges when we return to nature, responsibility, and meaning.
We explore:
• What health actually means beyond symptoms
• The “seven petals of wholeness”
• Why fear creates disease, biologically and spiritually
• The mind–body connection, placebo, and intention
• Nervous system regulation vs embodied coherence
• Why suppression is not healing
• Symptoms as self-correction and feedback
• Terrain vs germ theory and fear narratives
• Responsibility, sovereignty, and remembrance
• Why there is no magic bullet, only rhythm and meaning
This episode isn’t about protocols.
It’s about coming back into alignment with natural law.
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Welcome everybody to another episode of the Beyond Terrain podcast. I am your host, Liev Dalton. We have a very special episode for you today and if you are new around here, consider following the show or subscribing if you're listening on YouTube.
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and the truth. There's written content, video lectures, live sessions, community support, and an essence of meaning, responsibility, sovereignty, and longevity. Sign on for the year and you'll gain access to two catalyst consultation calls where we can dive deep into mapping your terrain to create the most meaningful roadmap for you. For more attuned one-on-one attention, do not hesitate to reach out email me or click the link down below but without further ado let's dive into today's episode well i'm very excited for this episode here today very excited to introduce this young man this terrain virtuoso uh to the terrain world i think that will all benefit very much from from this discussion today so mr nicholas leach thank you so much for coming on to the podcast today it's ah it's a it's pleasure
00:01:55
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Thank you, brother. Very happy to be here and very grateful, humbled. Amazing. Yeah. So let's dive right in ah get all my guests, give a little definition. What is health? What does health mean to you? What does it look like? How does it manifest? Take it in any direction that you'd like.
00:02:13
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Yeah. Yeah. This is ah a question that I've obviously spent a lot of time thinking about, um And ah a lot of a lot of my mentors tend to come up with models and systems for understanding things. So I've i've tried to kind of take my own stab at this one.
00:02:31
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And recently, ah kind of came up with the metaphor. It's like, the seven petals of wholeness. And so you have these six petals of the flower that are physical. I regard them as breath, nutrition, hydration, movement, sleep, and light. So our interaction with sunlight and artificial light as well.
00:02:55
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And so on a physical level, you gotta to be, those are the non-negotiables. You gotta be understanding how to find balance in all of those.
00:03:07
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But there's a very important pedal that I kind of put above all of those, and that's the heart, mind, and purpose, or heart, mind, spirit, however you want to kind of look at it. And so, you know, those, because we all meet people that are sort of masters of the, you know, the diet, and everything's perfect in their physical routine. They're kind of rigid. Diet's perfect.
00:03:31
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You know, they're exercising constantly, and and that's all good and dandy, but if you're lacking things like purpose, or if you're deficient in love and fulfilling relationships, or you don't get enough laughter and in play, these things matter. I'm ah i'm a firm believer that that trickles into the physical eventually. So if you're not connected to purpose in your life, if you've not, you know,
00:03:58
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done some sort of inner work to kind of figure out like, why is it I'm here, you know, connecting to something deeper. I believe that plays a big part. And so I kind of like to look at the physical and of course they're all intertwined, but it helps to kind of break it up that way. You got the six pedals over here, the one that kind of stands above it.
00:04:17
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One last thing I'll say is that we all know that kind of that spirit energy of like when you're fired up about something, um you just you're so energized and it can kind of realign all these other things in your life. So when you're when you're tapped into something real, tapped into purpose and you feel fulfilled.
00:04:37
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You know, that, that tends to kind of spread coherence out across the physical domain as well, the mental, the emotional. Um, so there's something to be said about that. Um, it's not always easy to grasp it and there's only so much, you know, left, left brain kind of research you can do into that domain, but I think it's a important string to pull on. So that would kind of be where I'm sitting currently with the definition of health.
00:05:00
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It's a process it's balance. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, fantastic. You know, one important point, I think that's, again, sort of difficult to, you know, prove empirically or talk about sort of in our modern systems is that interconnectedness of the physical and the spiritual, right, that that metaphysical realm.
00:05:24
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And I find that, you know, like, in this field, I've been down both paths, obviously, when I studied biochem in university, I was down this materialistic route where I ignored this metaphysical completely.
00:05:40
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And I kind of took a big turn and started to ignore the physical. And I found that I went down the same unhelpful road when I ignored that physical counterpart, you know, and, and I've of course ignored the interconnectedness of the two, you know, like our environment still,
00:05:59
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matters, right? the The physical world that we place o ourselves in, it still informs a lot of our psychological, spiritual, right? So like, for example, you know, getting out into nature, you know, there's no, i don't think there's an argument to be made that you feel less connected in nature as you do in a city.
00:06:18
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Not to say that you can't be connected in a city or not that you can say you can't be disconnected in nature, but generally, right, that energy, that essence is is strong. you know, and so that, that physical, that physical match, we can't ignore that.
00:06:33
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You know, ah can you speak to that at all? That interconnectedness? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. you You can never diminish the the physical. It's, it's key.
00:06:46
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The, the disconnection from nature is, in my opinion, just kind of cut right to the core is, is one of the, biggest reasons for disease or dis-ease, you know, um worldwide.
00:07:00
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We were never meant to be disconnected from nature. i think it's one of the greatest lies man ever kind of believed in or told himself that he was somehow separate from nature. But, you know, those physical inputs of getting enough sleep, eating properly, eating whole foods, drinking clean spring water, filtering your tap, getting movement and daily movement, these kinds of things, they're huge.
00:07:26
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But again, you know, the way the mind operates, it's interesting because you can't You can't negate the physical, but it's very interesting that something like placebo exists.
00:07:40
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you know The mind, it's got this capacity to override the physical through unwavering belief, through a grounded um conviction in something. So whether you believe something or not.
00:07:55
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you're right. That's kind of the old, there's an old quote i'm I'm butchering. It's like, whether you think you can or you can't, either way, you're right. And so it speaks to the power of the mind to be able to change our physical reality. And so that has to be acknowledged, right? So the physical is so important, but it's also just as important to acknowledge that the mind has this beautiful capacity to actually change the structure of the physical world around us. And so you can interpret that also as you know, as you're thinking it's in real time, um, affecting your biochemistry, um, you know, and, and it does through, it does it through different mechanisms. Like the breath I think is one of the biggest mediators. So as you become stressed and worried about something, you don't even realize it, but your breath is locking up.
00:08:42
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And so you're, you know, you're kind of constricting, um, the life force and the exchange of energy that's supposed to always be happening and your blood vessels, right. Um, start to constrict. So there's less blood flow. I mean, there's, you could go on and on and on about all the different ways that the physical and the chemical aspect of our bodies is affected by things like emotion and thoughts. So, um, that's my, my little tangent there, but yeah yeah, I know you're, you're hip to all that as well.
00:09:14
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What are your thoughts? course. Yeah, you know, it's a... It can be a difficult thing to see as well. You know, I know when a lot of people are are working through things, you know, trying to consider how, you know, them constantly being stressed out or worrying or in fear, how that affects their overall system.
00:09:42
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You know, so I think that's an absolutely...
00:09:46
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It's a very difficult thing to explore, especially by yourself. And so asking like, you know, an elder, loved one, trusted one, a mentor, anything like that, you know, like to help with that guidance, I find just making those connections can be difficult, right? And we can learn these and understand these. And I hope that we do, you know, but I know that that, that kind of critical faculty plays a role to, in blocking some of these things, you know, like,
00:10:17
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Um, and even like you mentioned, right, like that disbelief in that, what effect is that going to have the placebo, the nocebo? Um, what just pops into my mind is I've been, you know, learning a little bit more about some of these very interesting experiments where people, they, they took like three groups, one group worked out one group, you know, listened to an audio track of a workout and visualized working out.
00:10:47
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And then one group did nothing. And then one group did both. So four groups. And the group that did both that physically worked out and focused on doing the visualization had like increased the most muscle mass over the course of the study.
00:11:03
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The group that worked out was actually not the next highest group. It was the group that visualized. working out who they actually had physiological improvements by just sitting down for half an hour a day and visualizing this workout regime and then followed the group that actually worked out and then the one that did nothing obviously was the control right and they didn't absolutely increase their muscle you know it's like it's these types of papers that, you know, and and experiments, you know, empirically that we can see the value in this. I mean, there's a reason why placebo is the, you know, number one confounding variable in all of the papers.
00:11:47
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And, you know, even trying to account for a double triple blind studies so that, you know, even the, the way we interpret data is not altered.
00:11:59
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you know, based off of our intention, based off of our preconceived ideas, our theory laid in this, you know, there's such power in the intention, you know, and something else I've been thinking about a lot is, is everybody's now talking about, you you know, you see the trends, right. On social media, obviously, and you see these trends and now it's, everything is nervous system regulation. You know, your nervous system is dysregulated. And so it's, you know, by my course or work with me or whatever, by my ebook will regulate your nervous system.
00:12:30
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And if I could save you all a lot of time and money, you know, it's do but it's very simple. Pair intention with movement as some sort of somatic release, but you need to pair it with the intention, set the intention, right? Like when you go, when you see this, like the retreats and not to say that there's, you know, every person that does nervous system or regulations, right?
00:12:55
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not a good practitioner, because I think that there's some phenomenal ones out there. But this essence we can embody at home, we can embody this ourselves, right? Setting the attention, and then moving intentionally working through something, releasing something, integrating something through this movement.
00:13:14
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and you know, we could dive into the depths of why movement allows for this and it could be through the movement of cerebral spinal fluid right nourishing our nervous system getting that cranial sacral connection flowing and pumping it could be through improving circulation it could be through micro inflammation so the body is increased um you know repair cells for lack of better terms you know enzymes uh nutrients everything like that you know But at the end of the day, when we pair this with the intention, right, that's what we see at these retreats, that what we see in nervous system calibration work, we see a pairing of an in intention with some sort of somatic movement release.
00:14:00
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And so we can do this intuitively. And it can be good to do with other people. You know, it can be good to do with other people, because when you have many people with one intention, right, like that's the power of of the collective, you know, that's the power of, of why people feel something when they go to church, when they go to these organized religious events, it's because there's a lot of power in, and many people setting one intention or praying or whatever you want to call it. Right. It's all the same essence in my, my eyes. there's some power in that, you know, there's some power in, in in having a community that,
00:14:40
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when you're going through hard times, you, there are people out there that are, praying for you, right? Or keeping you in their thoughts or whatever it may be, right? Sending you that energy, however you want to put it, but it's all the same thing at the end of the day.
00:14:54
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Right. Yeah. No. And I, that's one of the next places you can go with it is, is it speaks to the power of prayer or meditation. So it gives new meaning to that. And, you know, as I was a boy growing up, I didn't really understand prayer too much. I kind of would just repeat words over and over It was more like a mindless mantra, but then that's the beautiful thing about as you as you grow and hopefully expand your awareness, you start to realize some of the nuances to this this reality and how things work. And you start to see more of what the mind is capable of. And then it gives new meaning to something like prayer or meditation.
00:15:33
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And I have to share, them I'm not going to be able to remember the the specific place this study was funded through or came through, but I know there was a study where they took, i don't know if it was 50 to 200 monks and put them in one of the most crime related areas of Washington, D.C., had them meditate on the same thing, which is just peace and trying to radiate peace. And the the results were astonishing. It was like a massive reduction in percentage of crime rate for the period of time that they were there. It wasn't immediate, but it was like as they continued the experiment, all the monks gathered together in a certain part of the the suburb or city meditating on peace. It started to go down. And i remember there was even a point of this study where the the chief of police
00:16:25
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was saying that the the probability of the crime rate going down was about as... ah He had some funny thing to say about it. Something about maybe getting like, you know, 10 feet of, two feet of snow overnight or something. But basically said it was virtually going to be impossible for crime rate to go down. And sure enough, it did. And so there's tons of things out there if you go looking for them. Unfortunately,
00:16:52
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here in the West, especially in our medical system, even in the scientific literature that gets published, there's there's quite a lack of that stuff, unfortunately. And that's, you know, but that that's just the way it is. and You have to go digging for these things sometimes. But I think it's it's on the rise more and more. There's more of a recognition of it.
00:17:13
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so And I just want to speak one last thing to That word fear, um Dr. Barilando, I never forgot this said something along the lines of fear is the worst biological toxin.
00:17:28
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And I remember what he said that I had to kind of like hit rewind. I was listening to a podcast and he said, fear is the worst biological toxin. So. living in a state of fear anytime you fear something or you're experiencing it and you're letting it consume you essentially he's saying that that's what the worst toxin on a physical level too it's it's affecting you biologically and again this is where we get into you know how it affects us biochemically but it just it's again it gives that definition of health that
00:18:02
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that depth of meaning as like when you, when you operate from a place of peace, calm and groundedness connection to purpose, and you're, you're not getting swept up in all the narratives of fear that are being thrown at us constantly, whether it's through news, media, et that's, that's part of health. It's a big part of health, you know?
00:18:23
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So percent yeah. And I think that kind of brings me to my next, you know, question for you, you know, like,
00:18:32
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We talk about this terrain paradigm. We talk about the terrain philosophy. you know For me, one of the most important reasons why i think that this is so important, why I'm dedicating my life to it, is because it dispels fear.
00:18:50
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We don't need to fear germs. We don't need to fear our genes. We don't need to fear our bodies. We don't need to fear each other. right We can actually approach each other with love rather than fear or disdain, or whatever it may be.
00:19:05
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you know like That study you bring up, right that's beautiful. Imagine if instead of everyone watching the news at night, we all prayed for peace and love in the world. like What effect would that have? you know like That's be powerful that's a a beautiful thing to think. even and And again, here's the thing. like For the skeptics out there, oh it wouldn't do anything. right it wouldn't do anything At least everyone would be on board with acting in accordance with peace and love. And so rather than...
00:19:32
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you know, walking by someone, you'd smile at someone and you have to admit that there's something there and just smiling at someone as you walk down the street and saying hi, like that's gonna, that there it's, it's impossible to argue that there's not a physical physiological, physical response to that, to taking one smile and putting it on someone else's face. Right. Like, so if we all spent this time, right. Focused in on,
00:19:59
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on love and and peace. And I know we're like, you know, couple of real hippies talking here, but, but this is the the essence of of the terrain, right? It's that everything in nature works in unison together, right? Everything is symbiotic. There is no parasitic relationship. There is no, you know, there's no taking advantage. There's no,
00:20:26
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that Everything is positive relationships, trying to achieve balance, seek balance, seek, you know, this, this state of flow and, and coherence, right? That's what nature is.
00:20:39
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And to me that this, this philosophy dispels all fear when we understand it and we start to live these principles, right? We ground ourselves in, in faith and you don't have to go and join a religion or whatever, but even just faith in,
00:20:55
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The concept that everything is symbiotic, right? That everything has reason, everything has meaning. You know, the mosquitoes, the fleas, the ticks, the the smallest microbe, you know, this all has meaning always. And faith in that concept.
00:21:14
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dispels the fear, in my opinion. It's a difficult one because we've all been, you know, indoctrinated with this fear. So I just want to ask you, you know, what for you is that that why? Why do we learn this stuff? Why do we learn about this terrain paradigm, terrain philosophy?
00:21:30
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00:22:44
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to get achievable long-term results. But let's get back to the episode. It's a great question.
00:22:55
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It brings us back to ourselves. There's something about the terrain paradigm, terrain philosophy that I think it it lives in all of us already. It's just been buried underneath um false theories and programming. And this is, you can get into germ theory and other discussions here, but The terrain, I mean, it's ah it's a meta philosophy. It's a paradigm, truly, for for understanding all of life when you expand it outward in health. But it gets us closer to natural laws. I mean, it's, it's again, like one of the ah simple ah simple way to understand it. Like for me, when I was getting into the terrain space, I realized like, you know, germs, bacteria, fungi, it's there's no...
00:23:47
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um like we ascribe right morality onto these things we we call things good and bad when in reality nature does not know good and bad it just knows balance and imbalance um you know and understanding that when you get deeper into the terrain you're really just getting deeper into the natural laws that sort of govern this world.
00:24:13
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You can take that in so many different directions. And it's hard to know even where to start with this question because there's so many, so many different strings to pull on. Yeah.
00:24:23
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Yeah. Yeah. I guess the why for everyone is going to be slightly different too, right? Like, I think we distill it down to, again, this kind of, you know, fundamental essence. It's, it's this dispels fear, right? It's like, what,
00:24:42
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what each and every one of us, you know, each and every one of us has vulnerabilities, right? And I guess that would be the why. Right. You know, that that would be the why's. How can we we become the best version of ourselves? that That to me has always been a goal of mine.
00:24:58
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How can I become the best version of myself? And even that, you know, so simple has been one of the most meaningful things that I've pursued and continue to pursue and will continue to pursue And the second I stopped pursuing that, i've maybe I didn't physically die, but I know that my soul has died. If I've stopped trying to learn more, I've stopped my curiosity. I've stopped living.
00:25:26
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You know what i mean? Absolutely. So I feel like a lot of people get stuck in this you know lack of curiosity, this lack of improving themselves. They get stuck. They get stagnant in this. Well, this is this is the way it is. right Poor me. This is the way it is. yeah um And again, some of these are the fundamental reasons I think if I were to to tell any person on the street to study this and and embrace these concepts, embrace these these fundamental principles, it would be that you'll have meaning until you'll be able to have meaning and live until the day that you die.
00:26:03
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And you'll be able to live every single day until you die, rather than your soul dying 20, 30, 40, 50 years before your body does. Right.
00:26:13
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You know, you'll be able to live without fear, live without judgment. You'll be able to live with curiosity. You know, with awe, with bliss. Absolutely. Yeah. And I want to, I want to mirror that say the terrain paradigm is, is empowering and, you know, I know there's going to probably be some people who know very well what we're talking about, but for those who aren't completely, um, and then know about the terrain, it's, you know,
00:26:45
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For me, it taught me that, like you said, I don't have to fear germs. I don't have to fear external pathogens. When I get sick, there's something going on. it there's ah There's a lack of balance. And I know that It's in my control. You know, i have to I have to investigate all areas of my life. So the terrain paradigm teaches us that, you know, if there's an imbalance, if there's illness or disease, there's some sort of toxicity, there's some sort of deficiency or trauma. and it's It's that simple. so
00:27:17
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Instead of, you know, getting sick and assuming I caught something or there's a bug, which again, it's kind of fear based because then you walk around and even if you're taking great care of your health, you kind of have this fear that I could catch something or someone could just step a little too close to me and I breathe the same air of them and then boom, I'm done for. it's like no um we kind of take our health back into our hands we realize that if if there's an imbalance that we have to correct it we have to become aware and so kind of to your point it it forces you to get engaged with all aspects of your life you have to if you truly want to remain in a state of of balance and flow and rhythm you have to be understanding um
00:28:03
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We need things like sunlight. We need whole foods. We need good rest. We need friendships. We need love and purpose. And we also need to minimize toxicities in our environment. We need to avoid artificial ingredients, artificial um synthetics and cosmetics. And, um you know, so it's.
00:28:24
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The terrain, it's like, it's, there's a simplicity to it. um And ah unfortunately, the the hard part for a lot of people is unlearning the germ theory. But once you can do that, then it's kind of like you pull away and there's this whole landscape of things in front of you. And it, to me, it's very intuitive. Then you start to like walk into the terrain paradigm and it feels like, oh, ah this all makes sense. I've been here before.
00:28:48
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um But getting past that unlearning point is, is not easy. So yeah, that's true. Yeah. You know, and I think.
00:29:00
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Like something that I've been talking a lot about recently is understanding symptoms, right? Like I have a um full classroom in the academy now um on understanding what role symptoms are playing to try to.
00:29:19
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Again, instill this idea that everything has meaning, everything carries purpose. So that rather than fear our symptoms or the discomfort, you know, especially acutely, we let these things pass.
00:29:34
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Right. And even though storm may be uncomfortable, we still let it pass. And understanding now the concepts of how disease develops, how suppressing the acute illnesses eventually will lead to the more chronic states. If we suppress the expression of our symptoms, of the role that they're playing, because they're playing regulatory roles.
00:29:56
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whether it be removal of toxicity, neutralization of toxicity, resolution of damage from deficiency or toxicity, you know, all of these play a very important role in coming back to the balance of the body. Right. So, so again, like
00:30:18
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we need to unlearn a lot of these things that, that, that we've been taught. And then learning how to approach life through this meaningful lens.
00:30:31
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Right. Like using that as the, as the baseline, right. With everything we look at, you know, if our mind is geared towards this fear, we look at everything with fear.
00:30:43
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Right. and But if our mind is geared towards meaning and purpose and, and interconnectedness, then we start to, even the way we start to conceptualize the world changes and then it becomes empowering. And this does require responsibility. And I think that's one of the major reasons why many of us don't do it.
00:31:02
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um Because if, you know, illness is random, then there's nothing we can do about it. Right. There's nothing we can do about it. And this is kind of a tough pill to swallow, but um it is. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to hide that information, right. It takes responsibility. It takes the ability to say, okay yeah. Like, you know,
00:31:21
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I guess part of my diet hasn't been great or I haven't been going outside or I haven't been moving my body, you know, I haven't been living in accordance with nature. So maybe I should start doing that a little bit more, right?
00:31:32
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Approaching with that curiosity. Yeah. And thank God for, for symptoms, right? Because we learn in the terrain space that your symptoms are self corrections. So it's feedback. I mean, physical symptoms are indicating that something's out of balance, but we've been taught to fear them. We've been taught to sometimes see them as maybe malfunctions, um, just issues that need to be dealt with. And sometimes that's how the modern medical system makes you feel. Cause it's just, you know, you got symptoms, we got a pill for that or a pill for every ill mindset. Um,
00:32:04
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But that's the body's language. It's expressing, it's attempting to return to homeostasis. And we can either override that and push the problem back deeper into the body, or we can support it naturally.
00:32:17
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Right? So inflammation, right? We know inflammation is part of the healing process. It's increasing blood flow to an area, swelling things up, allowing for there to be, it's like creating a a protective bubble around a site of of injury, and it's increasing blood flow, nutrients, oxygen. It's part of the healing process. So it's even like the idea of icing something that's, you know like a swollen ankle.
00:32:42
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Yeah, you might get some relief from the pain, but are you ah supporting the healing process? You're not. You're slowing it down. The body is so intelligent. So some of these principles in the train space, you know, I think most people would resonate with them intuitively when they when they met them, like such as the body is designed perfectly and...
00:33:04
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It's designed to repair itself constantly. So it's about clearing what's, you know, blocking that process. You know, osteopathy, they talk about the inner physician. We all have it. There's all, there's this innate healing intelligence that lives within us. And so You know, when I work with people, clients are just when I'm in conversation with people about health, that's usually my main point is to try and remind people, you know, like reconnect with that intelligence, that wisdom that's already within you. um That's and so important that people internalize that. Like we were built to heal, built to self-repair. Those mechanisms we don't even have to think about. They're just there.
00:33:44
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We just have to support them by, again, making sure we're minimizing the the various toxicities that we're exposed to, you know, replenishing those deficiencies we've talked about.
00:33:57
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And, um you know, obviously the higher the spiritual aspect as well, the the mental, emotional. But yeah, and you did a ah wonderful job recently talking about symptoms and nosology and you did a very deep dive into that, too. So I'd love to hear any thoughts you have.
00:34:19
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Yeah, and I think Dr. Bailey was on once and we were having a good chat about this. And and i think we were talking about our children. And I know I'm going through the ringer with that right now with our little girl. And um when things come up, especially with our kids, if we feel, again, this emotional you know connection and we might get emotionally involved,
00:34:44
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in it and it it seems like you know discomfort and we have to do something about that you know especially with our children you know with ourselves often we just pop a Tylenol or an Advil or whatever you know you feel feverish you feel cold or flu or whatever you want to call it and you know we still want to do something about it like we sprain our ankle we want to do something about it we well we have to ice it we have to do something
00:35:15
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Um, now I'm not saying everything you can do is going to be harmful. Again, we want to work on supporting the body rather than suppressing the body.
00:35:26
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So for the, like an example, sprained ankle, rather than adding ice, why don't we add heat? That's the role. That's, that's what the body is trying to do.
00:35:39
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know The body's trying to heat up that location to increase blood flow, increase nutrients, repair cells, enzymes, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Um, whatever, you know, that, that energy, that essence that's needed to heal the body's trying to increase that. And I think that you could argue that there is, you know, a connection to the restructuring of the waters and the crystalline state of the body. When there is inflammation and healing as well, there is that energetic component.
00:36:06
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Um, but Dr. Bailey said very clearly is that sometimes the best course of action is to simply do nothing. Yeah. Right. Like we don't always have to intervene, you know? And so i get it. I get that. We feel like we want to do something.
00:36:25
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And so that's where the, you know, the clear answer to me, especially in the terrain philosophy is to do things that support the process. So add heat instead of coal. Right. Right.
00:36:38
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don't try to like, don't elevate. yeah I kind of say do the opposite of rice, you know, rest, ice, uh, compress, elevate. That's like the first aid handbook for spraying strains, whatever you do the opposite, right? Because all of that decreases blood flow to the area.
00:36:55
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Right. You know, but then again, we have to find this balance because you obviously don't want to, you know, increase it past the body's thresholds. Again, we've got to come back to this intelligence, right? So, um,
00:37:07
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I always say get back to the basics. You know, if you want to do something, go outside. Grounding, right? Whole foods, you know, do some gentle movement. Get the blood, lymph, energy, cerebral spinal fluid flowing.
00:37:24
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Yes. Right? Yeah. And, you know, try to find a little bit of comfort in that discomfort. You know, that's, again, something that we are all deficient in is a little bit of discomfort, a little bit of stress, for lack of better terms, you know.
00:37:39
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I couldn't agree anymore. You know, we we don't go outside in the rain when it's cold. You know, like, again, the cold is not inherently bad. I don't think you need to live somewhere warm to be healthy. But, yeah.
00:37:51
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we need to experience these things as they come naturally as well. Right. That's, that's the purpose. I guess that ah the point that I'm trying to make, Yeah, I'll be that guy in the winter that's driving with my windows down to work. People at the stoplight are like, what is this guy doing right now? And I'm like, what? I just want a little bit of fresh air in between my home and work because I'll be indoors for like 10 hours today. forbid I breathe some fresh air for a little bit. And I don't again, i think some of the subtlety here is that people don't realize that.
00:38:22
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how chronic illness or just a disease can be the result of decades of just not minding those little details. Like you just, you go decades with neglecting the need for fresh air and daily movement and daily sunshine. And, you know, without lathering yourself with a bunch of toxic goop and, you know, eating whole foods. I mean,
00:38:50
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You know, I think it's a Harvey Biggelson, big shout out. think he said, ah you know, health is simple. People are complicated. And I agree with that. Health in a lot of ways is very simple. The principles are simple. They're not easy to do.
00:39:05
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takes effort. It takes, you know, mindfulness, takes practice. But the principles are there. They're simple. um And again, getting back to the fear is kind of like,
00:39:16
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you know there's a lot of health influencers out there and i know uh i know this definitely irks you too it's like there's a lot of there's a lot of fear mongering it's like fear this fear that take this supplement take that supplement take this medicine you'll be okay and um again like any message of fear in this space doesn't belong in the terrain um i'm not it's not that you can't of course like fear is a normal and healthy thing at times like you there's a paradox here um you know it's not It's not that you remove fear altogether from your life. It's just that you know truth within the terrain space is is rooted in nature. It's rooted in love and and principle. there's there's There's no room for fear in the principles. but yeah pop yeahmen
00:40:10
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you know What I've noticed in my you know journey in studying this and working with people is that The medicine truly is within each and every one of us. and I work with people who generally undergo 25 different protocols and are on tons of supplements and I help them go supplements. And that's one of my the big things that I do, right, is like lowering, you know, how many supplements we need to take and trying to get our nourishment from nature.
00:40:46
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whether it be physical or spiritual or whatever it may be.
00:40:52
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And I've noticed that, you know working with such a diverse range of of people, some terrain minded, some not, that regardless, we need, i think one of the, the this is the the center point of healing is that you need to decide that you want to heal.
00:41:12
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And this sounds crazy, like, of course I want to heal, I'm suffering, I want to heal. But wanting to heal and then wanting to get rid of your symptoms are a different thing. Obviously, when you heal, your symptoms subside.
00:41:28
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But it's the intention of which we go about it, right? If you go about it with urgency and I need to get rid of it now, so I'm just going to take Tylenol or Advil or 25 supplements and temporarily remove the symptom, we're not actually undergoing a healing process because we're not adding in that coherence and rhythm that the body needs.
00:41:47
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not listening to the what the body needs and allowing it to accomplish what it's setting out to do. Right. And so this decision in ourselves that we want to heal truly is the most important thing that we can do, because again, we cannot heal just the physical body. We have to heal the physical and the metaphysical.
00:42:07
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You cannot just heal all the metaphysical without healing the physical. You need to have a truly holistic approach. And again, this decision to heal. I want to heal, which means I'm taking responsibility for my health.
00:42:20
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Right. Yes. Realizing that even if we do take a supplement, and i think we could get into the semantics of what a supplement means. Um, generally if it's a whole food, I don't consider it a supplement. So Royal jelly, for example, is not a supplement, even though you may take it as a supplement. I think that's a misuse of the, the, the word, but, agreed um,
00:42:43
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It's difficult the way that it's defined, but regardless, that's generally how I define it. It's a whole food. It's not a supplement. so But regardless, when we're taking these things and we feel better, it's not necessarily because of you know the thing that we're taking. right We're just integrating this wholeness. We're integrating nature into our lives and our bodies are able to respond to that.
00:43:05
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And the response to nature is vitality. It is bliss. It is a state of fearlessness. And our bodies respond to our modern worlds in a state of fear, in a state of disease and symptoms.
00:43:23
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right That's the response. So again, coming back to kind of this concept of the terrain, one of the principles is have a look at your external terrain. What kind of feedback are you giving your body? How would you expect your body to respond in you know, your day-to-day corporate desk job, like you ask why you feel depressed. It's like, you're you're not broken.
00:43:48
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There's a lack of coherence with your environment. There's no, we don't implement nature into our lives. You know, at the very least, we need to start implementing the natural principles into that. Like, again, you can work a corporate office job, whatever, and be healthy, but it's like, open the windows on your way to work.
00:44:05
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Lunchtime, go for that walk. You know, getting up, getting outside whenever you can. Don't take a smoke break. Go take a little 15 minute walk. You know, just get outside, you know, walk away from the smoker. You know what i mean? Like these are the little things sitting on the ground. If you have privacy, I know that you might not want to do that. You don't have privacy, but like sitting on the ground or standing at your desk. Those are ways to add in a little bit of a natural, um you know, groundwork and and principles into your life, too. These are these are some of the basics, you know.
00:44:37
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that we have to get back to. Right. And when we do this, this is how we implement healing. So yes, there's a time and a place for a protocol and a protocol should be, it should be tailored to the individual. It should be what the individual needs. It should not be a one size fits all sort of, you know, you know, X, Y, Z's protocol.
00:44:58
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It's one size fits all. You, you read about it, you learn about it, you do it. It might work temporarily. It might just, you know, might not work at all. Maybe it does work, That'd be great. um but ah But you truly need something that's individualized for you, your goals, because we want it to be sustainable.
00:45:15
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Right. I think one of the biggest problems that that I see is that, you know, we force things and you can only force things for so long. You force it for a month.
00:45:26
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Right. So you do one, you do a habit every day for a month. Like you watch the sunrise every day for one month. Congratulations. You've done it 30 times. Right.
00:45:36
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Now, if you watch the sunrise once a week for a year, you've done it 52 times. So who's truly going to be healing in the long term?
00:45:50
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Right. Who's truly addressing the root causes? Who's truly increasing their vitality? Right. Increasing the quality of their life. Like, that's the question.
00:46:01
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The person who does it every day for 30 days, they'll probably feel great. But guess what? After 60, 90 days, it's going to come. They're going to fall off. Symptoms might come back because they've lost, again, that coherence. Right. So this is a paradigm shift and a narrative shift. As much as it is theoretically, it is individually as well. So anyway anyway I don't know if you got any. It is. to say about that Yeah. Well, no, i um I think it's it's important to talk you know sometimes too on a personal level. i can I could inject some of my own story here. It would it would make a lot of sense because you know I used to, like in my earlier years, in my in my late teens, you know I entered into very
00:46:41
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difficult times. I kind of brought it upon myself through addictions, through, you know, a lot of pain, just kind of pleasure cycles, drugs, alcohol, um you know, things like vaping, that kind of stuff. So I was kind of lost in the the hedonistic shuffle. And so I was very unhealthy, not taking care of mind, body and spirit. And that's part of what propelled me into the path of healing, almost kind of like I didn't have a choice. I had to grow up early, either life, you know, my life was drilling me down six feet under, or i was going to go in the opposite direction. And so
00:47:23
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um it's It's a process, but slowly but surely, you know different habits started to take root. And pain is is the great teacher. Not everyone needs it to learn a lesson, but the pain teacher is very real and it comes knocking on your door and it does it does through... you know it does it through Symptoms like depression and anxiety. I mean, these are, these are symptoms of the soul, just like coughing, sneezing, um, you know, vomiting is, these are physical symptoms. There there are symptoms of the the heart and the mind, and it shows up through things like anxiety and depression. So, um, their calls, um, it's giving you feedback and it's, you know, it's, it's telling you something's got to change. Something's got to change. So for me, um
00:48:12
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you know, at a certain point, things started to finally click and they started to become a rhythm and understood health and healing, like you said, was a holistic endeavor. So the physical, emotional, the mental, it all matters. And and there's a great kind of maxim, I think it's it's called just as I think, so I feel, so I act.
00:48:36
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And, you know, you say that over and over again, you realize that every habit, every physical, whether it's like a bad diet or you're not getting enough sleep, you're staying up late watching television, whatever it is, every action you take in this world was preceded by a thought and an emotion. So if that's not telling you right away that the mind the mind and emotions and the physical are completely wrapped around each other, completely intertwined, then I don't know what is.
00:49:02
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Every action you take is preceded by you know a thought and emotion. You have to think something first, feel some way about it, and then do it. And obviously you start to get into these...
00:49:12
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these, these loopholes, these patterns, and then you're kind of, you're not thinking it's kind of like, you know, the hamster wheel effect with, with our habits. We all have got to, we all have a few of them. I still have a few that I, I'm always trying to to bring more consciousness and mindfulness into my daily life. But, um, that's another part of the terrain is kind of getting out of that hamster wheel and taking control again of your, of your daily life, your habits.
00:49:37
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Um, So I'm sure you got good things as you could say. Yeah. Something I've been, I've been talking about a lot with, with people and I've been thinking a lot more about it is this concept of the rite of passage.
00:49:51
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You know, like and and and initiation, as the alchemists would say. Right. And I remember being obsessed with this this concept when I first learned about alchemy and the terrain. And I was like, oh yeah, like I want to be like an initiate. I want to like learn alchemy and be this chemical master. Right. It's like master of the elements. Yeah. You know, like it was interesting.
00:50:16
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Kind of obsessing over this concept of initiation. and I'd realized eventually that I was, I was missing the point. I was thinking that there was this, you know, this, this, this, I felt like I was searching for something that wasn't there.
00:50:37
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You know, I was searching for like this aha feeling. I was searching for this, you know, this, this noticeable shift, you know, when it's, it's quite literally the shift,
00:50:51
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is just deciding, right? It's just deciding that, you know, I'm going to put off one of these pleasurable activities or I'm not going to partake in it at all, right? It's that shift of of perspective, that narrative shift. And I think this comes from a rite of passage. I think that is sort of this initiation that I was seeking, right?
00:51:13
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This concept of the rite of passage of of doing something hard. whether it be physically or mentally, you know, doing something very, very difficult.
00:51:26
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um Women have it kind of built in, right? Giving birth is the most beautiful whole rite of passage, right? That's integrated into their, their being, right? Creation. There's nothing more amazing than literally creating life, you know, and, and,
00:51:46
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you know, for for us for us men, you know, it it's it takes on a different manifestation, obviously. um But, you know, just this concept of deciding that, yeah, I'm going to put,
00:52:04
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I'm going to do the hard things that I need to do to improve myself, my tribe, my community, my family. you know, and like putting on the big boy pants, you know, I thought that there was going to be this thing out there. Right.
00:52:20
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yeah But it was just as simple as kind of making this decision. And I think that the healing process is very simple. It's like, if we think that there's going to be this magic bullet out there, if we think that we can continuously search, like what's the secret to health?
00:52:35
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It's like, you've already been presented with the secret. At this point in conversation, you know, the secret is there is no secret. There is no magic bullet.
00:52:45
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And there is no one necessarily piece of information out there that's going to Heal you.
00:52:55
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If anything, it's the the decision that you will do so. and Right. And like you said, like with the habits, you know, like waking up every morning, looking at the sunrise. Oh, I don't feel like it this morning.
00:53:08
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right so oh it's based on how you feel how your emotions or your thoughts or whatever right it's like yeah okay so still these physical habits what's getting in the way is the mind right and so working within that framework can be really beneficial too and and going through a physical rite of passage can be really beneficial to ingrain these concepts right like when you think of like you know, that our ancestors, what their rite of passage was, like fighting in the in the pits or, you know, going and being left into the woods all by yourself for a week to find your way back to camp with no food, no shelter, no, you know, tools or whatever.
00:53:47
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You just had to survive. You know, like the these these were the, you know, seems crazy in our cushy modern four walls, you know, but absolutely it's the way that's the way it is.
00:54:02
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I wonder how someone would would do it in today's day and age if they were shipped off to their local forest preserve and had to fight the birds and yeah and the squirrels.
00:54:16
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The squirrels. there No, but youre you're touching on something very ah very important, that the whole rite of passage thing. You know, our our ancestors probably had to worry a lot more about survival here in our modern world. We have to worry about distractions and unnecessary, unnecessary stimulation. i mean, it's just kind of as a man, like getting into.
00:54:41
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You know, my purpose, it took me some time like I having a North Star is so important, something that yeah you're fired up to wake up for and driven towards because I would argue that until you have some sort of North Star that's fixed and it it's it's a goal, it's a vision, it's a dream for what you want your life to look like.
00:55:01
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you're gonna you're gonna be more susceptible to falling into those traps, falling into the distractions. And gosh, there's no shortage of them today between television, movies, pornography, entertainment industry, sports, you know, is a big one. Like, um I like a good football game from time to time, but, um you know, I...
00:55:22
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that can't be my life, right? Like I have to be, there's like, I gotta be striving for, for something deeper, something more. So getting, getting connected to that, um,
00:55:34
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is key. And, you know, sometimes there's a, there's just a course that has to run itself too. You know, you got late bloomers and I guess some speakers from experience, I would kind of consider myself more in that, that ballpark where, you know, my first 20 to 22, three years, I was really just kind of um feeling things out kind of like, what is this world? What is, know, there's a lot going on You know, what should I be focusing on? and What should, you know, what, what am I here to do? Right. And that, that answer lives in each person's heart. You have to find it. You can't have someone else tell you it. There's there's a million and one people trying to write the script for your life, trying to write the narrative for your life. You have to connect to what that script is as you would write it in your heart. Otherwise, you're going to live out so you know someone else's narrative and it's not going to be what's true for you. And that's going to create a dissonance, you know a disconnection. So here I am again, just going on a a tangent, but just taking it where it feels right. Yeah, so getting getting back in line with that.
00:56:39
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Amazing. Yeah, man. Wonderful. Nick, where do we leave the the listener with all this?
00:56:50
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Well,
00:56:54
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Touching on what we already kind of talked about, healing is holistic. You can't just approach the physical. You can't just approach the emotional traumas that you've had either. you have to You have to be in an ongoing relationship with all aspects of your being, mental, physical, emotional, spiritual, and you have to be seeking balance.
00:57:17
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um And one of you know, one of the important things that I just want to drill it into people's heads is like symptom suppression is not not health. It's not healing, right? Like there, you know, I've talked about there's different flavors of of medicine and healing out there. And just it's just the symptoms going away does not always mean health, right?
00:57:40
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So we have to address the root causes. Otherwise, it's going to come back and haunt us later in our life in a different way. So You know, that's, that's what inspired me because after i After I came in contact with the terrain paradigm and started to really understand it, I wanted to embody it and I wanted to practice it first. And after I started it to do that for a while, I wanted to teach it.
00:58:08
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And so that's where I'm at today. You know, I just recently launched an online business to work with people to improve their health, to get them on the path of healing and to most importantly,
00:58:21
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teach them that health is simple. Healing is simple. the The wisdom, the intelligence is already within you. Your body is powerful. You're a lot more powerful and wiser than you know.
00:58:31
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And so, you know, that's, know, that's where I'm at today. So amazing. and Yeah. Yeah. You, you have a pretty amazing free course out as well.
00:58:46
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That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So tell a little bit more about that. Absolutely. On my website, know that healing.com, there'll be a free course that you can opt in to take. And, you know, it's it's meant to be an eye opener and an introduction to it's kind of it's it's really kind of targeted towards an older version of me. As I was creating it, I was thinking about, you know, what would, you know, 26, 25 year old Nikki, what ah what would he have needed to see? So part one.
00:59:16
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or module one going to teach you about the modern medical system here in the US. It's inherent flaws, it's dangers. I mean, it's, it's sad, but the David Ph.D.: third leading cause of death, according to John Hopkins study, and I would argue that it's possibly even number one or two when you consider all cases of Dr. David Kahneman, But the third leading cause of death is medical error, adverse drug reactions, unnecessary surgeries, hospital and acquired infections, etc.
00:59:49
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I'm not at all saying that we don't save lives. I mean, we thrive with with trauma, surgeries and and emergency medicine. We got that and that's necessary at times. Of course, you break your leg, you know, you're something traumatic, you have a hospital you can go to.
01:00:03
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But chronic degenerative diseases are at an all time high. So module one was devoted to helping people understand the inherent dangers to the modern medical system, how to navigate it better.
01:00:13
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and where it comes from, looking at the roots of that system. So we're getting into, you know, Rockefeller and how, you know, the oil, the oil industry essentially funded the pharmaceutical industry from from oil to pharmaceutical pills. And so,
01:00:30
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um You know, it's important to know the history, to understand why, if you know a little bit about the history, going understand where we're at currently and how we got to where we are. So module two gets into, uh, the healing traditions that I completely stand behind traditional Chinese medicine, you know, a tradition of medicine that.
01:00:50
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honors the emotions. You know, each emotion corresponds to an organ. And ah most importantly, it honors the the holistic nature of the human being, the integrated nature. You know, if you tug on one part of the body, you're tugging on all parts of the body.
01:01:05
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So it's not reductionistic, right? it It sees the whole. So things like homeopathy, I go into homeopathy and then osteopathy, which is very important to to get um familiar with.
01:01:20
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the structure and how structure and function are related in the body. So, and then the last module is, of course, the the the symptoms and terrain and germ theory. So anyone out there who still believes in their heart that they can catch a germ and fall sick from it or get infected by bacteria or germs or fungi or mold, even that course is for you.
01:01:46
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you'll You'll find something in there. Powerful. So, yeah. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. What a great what a great body work. What a great addition to the terrain literature. i find this time to be the most exciting because there are more people than ever working on this paradigm, this terrain philosophy.
01:02:07
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When you look at history, it seemed to be like one or two guys that were really taking the bull by the horns, you know, Bishaw, Underline, Nassons, you know, and they were all kind of one after the other.
01:02:19
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you know And then um one of the OGs, Dr. Lando, think he yeah he helped many of us come to this knowledge and and start to expand it. So I think that he's ah obviously he worked directly with the great Gaston Nasson. So up in Canada, up in Montreal, actually.
01:02:40
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Yes, he did. yeah and they Again, they found that they found that germs seek disease tissue. right they don't Germs are not causing disease.
01:02:52
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They seek disease tissue out because they're there to help bring balance back. They're there to help repair. it's the old The firefighter analogy always seals the deal. It's like...
01:03:02
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you know, the firefighter is there to put out the fire. But if you were driving by the scene of the fire, going point at the firefighter just because they're there right at the scene. It's like the the worms in the the forest decomposing the dead carcass of the deer, right? Did the did the worms kill the deer? No, they're there to clean up and recycle that material, the the carcass back into nature. So again, it's it's getting out of the fear, understanding that even things like germs and bacteria and fungi and mold, they they work symbiotically with the environment around them. We don't have to fear those things. We should be, if anything, fearing the synthetic man-made things that exist out there. So that's kind of what it what it comes down to. And so...
01:03:50
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rather you When we understand that, you know, it does it does dispel the fear because we're in control. Right. and And we might think, you know, oh well, we're not in control of what they're spraying in the skies and whatever. that There's a degree of truth to that. But we have control over how we respond.
01:04:09
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Are we going to build resilience? Right. Are we going to control the controllables? Right. Can we minimize toxicity in our household? you know can we you know what how are we going to minimize you know the toxicity from ingesting heavy metals from chemtrails or whatever you know it's like yeah there are things that we can control you know and it's focusing on on that and and listen people are still able to live to 100 years old even though there's chemtrails right like again we're not trying to to instill fear from a different perspective um
01:04:44
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you know, a lot of terrain people struggle on social media to grow because they don't have that fearful hook. Right. And that's what sells the best. That's why we're not on the news.
01:04:55
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That's why we're not, you know, millions of followers on social media, you know, it's because we don't have that fear hook, right? We don't have that fear to start with. And, and ah to be honest with you, like if someone is talking from a fear-based perspective, they don't understand the fundamental concepts, you know, so be very careful and weary of, of who we decide to listen to as well. That's, that's very important, but this is a total, you know, we don't need to fear that the soil is so-called depleted, for example, you know, when I've talked to many biodynamic farmers, I've talked to many farmers in general,
01:05:37
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Every single one of them say the soil is not depleted in nutrients. The soil is only depleted in life, in bacteria and fungus, in worms to bioconvert the minerals into a usable elemental form for plants.
01:05:52
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Right. So the the soil is devoid of life. That that's the difference. Right. So again, supporting people with, you know, soil full of life right know thy farmer raise your own animals or grow your own food or whatever right like these again are within our control and listen i don't raise my own animals god willing i will someday go and support a farmer who i know tends his soil you know so again this is within my control this is within my responsibility um of when it comes to to health you know and hey we're up here in canada it's no uh small drive out to uh to a fellow who's gonna sell you raw milk so you know it's uh you got to make the sacrifices right like that's that's that's what it takes that's what it takes you don't yeah and again it's like if i could end on anything it's that
01:06:47
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It's it's we have to embody peace. We got to get grounded because we don't have to like it's about becoming aware and mindful of all the different things in our environment that that take away from our health that you know diminish our health. but understand that we were built to eliminate those toxins if they come into us uh we're built for strength for resilience it's your birthright um so that's that's what fires me up the most is like how can i how can i help people see that and get back to that and so you know we don't have to walk around in fear dr mary arse she talks about all the time like we're built to handle toxins we can handle a certain toxic load um obviously there's a tipping point
01:07:33
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And you need to be cognizant of that. But there's no fear here in the terrain space. It teaches you that health is in your hands. And it's very empowering.
01:07:44
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Yeah. And it's never going back. Kind of like one of those things. Once you once you learn it, once you see it, there's no there's definitely no going back. it's Yeah. Yeah. You see people bounce from carnivore, a keto, to vegan, vegetarian, fruit, itarian back to carnivore back to you know, you see bouncing around all these diets, you see them bounce from protocol to protocol. Hmm. I don't know anyone nick who uh has learned the terrain and has gone back uh so you know maybe we'll see but i i've not seen it yet you know and and i i doubt i doubt that it'll ever happen because this is a it is a groundedness in this fearlessness in this in this faith and and i think that that's um you know you can't you can't unlearn this stuff you know it's it's with it's
01:08:35
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it's not even about learning the terrain paradigm. It's about remembering it. You know, this is the deepest, this is the deepest that it goes, you know, and we can obviously spend hours and years in our lifetimes, you know, talking about specifics, but you know, at the foundation, you know, this is a remembering of, of, of the truth of the truth. So it is brother. Yeah.
01:09:03
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Yeah. I couldn't have said it better myself. Yeah. Wonderful. Well, Nikki, thank you so much for, for your time today. um This has been a wonderful discussion. If, of course, if the listener, you are interested in in his work, links will be down below.
01:09:16
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Know the healing.com. ah We also worked on a a little course, little classroom for my Academy, Ontario Academy um on vitamins and why vitamins may or may not exist and how they might act as pharmaceutical drugs rather than yeah some sort of natural remedy, which is a phenomenal discussion. Uh, I'm sure we'll be, you'll be hearing more from us on that in the future, but if you're interested, of course, right now, go and join the Academy, go and check out, uh, Nikki's free course, check out his website, check out his offerings.
01:09:52
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Um, he's a phenomenal gentleman and, uh, an absolute weapon to have in the terrain paradigm. So Nicky, thank you so much for your time and everything that you do. appreciate you so much, Steve. Thank you for having me on. course.
01:10:04
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Wonderful, wonderful. See you later. Take All right. I want to thank you all for listening. Before we wrap this up, we should all remember that this podcast is for informational purposes only, not medical or therapeutic advice. And this does not replace the advice from a qualified professional or practitioner.
01:10:18
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But also remember that we are sovereign, responsible beings, capable of thinking, criticizing, and understanding absolutely anything and everything. We are together self-healer, self-governable, self-teacher, and so much more. And together with the greater forces, we can reclaim our health, clarity, sovereignty. Listen, I deeply appreciate every single one of you that took the time to listen to this podcast today. I hope you learned something. I hope you found it informative. If you did, give us that like, give us that share and a comment, rating and review. Make sure to subscribe and follow the show so you can join us along this journey check out the old podcast youtube videos and check out the beyond terrain academy if you want to go deep into actionable distilled steps for you to improve your life of course i'd love to hear your thoughts on the episodes you can reach me at any time on instagram it's probably the best spot beyond terrain i welcome your comments critiques criticisms whatever it may be i love to chat about this stuff and do not forget if you are ready to unlearn to truly become the best version of yourself to achieve your entire whole potential
01:11:14
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sign into that beyond terrain academy it will be the last stop i hope that you graduate with meaning purpose clarity and you will never need another practitioner another supplement another protocol after that you will have simplicity clarity and meaning in your life but as always the mind is the only thing that can stop us from achieving this because there are two types people in the world those believe they can those believe they can't and they are both correct thanks listening guys take care