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Your Body Is Never Wrong — Healing vs Disease with Dr. Cassie Wuthrich
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Health isn’t the absence of symptoms — it’s the full expression of life.
In this episode, we are joined by Dr. Cassie Wuthrich (formerly Huckabee) to explore what true healing really means, why freedom and health are inseparable, and how every “disease” may actually be the body’s intelligent adaptation.
Together we uncover:
• How symptoms are healing responses — not malfunctions
• Why freedom, faith & curiosity are essential for health
• How to live your way out of dependency on pills, diets & devices
• Why belief, perception & environment shape biology
• How to stop suppressing life and start expressing it
This conversation bridges philosophy, biology, and spirit — a reminder that your body is not broken, and your life is your medicine.
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Defining Health and Freedom
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check-in.
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But without further ado let's get into today's episode. Dr. Cassie Withrich thank you so much for coming on the podcast today very much looking forward to this chat. Thank you so much for having me.
00:01:22
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Of course, of course. I like to ask all of my guests a little introductory question. I'm very much looking forward to your answer. ask all my guests to define health. What does health mean? What does it look like? How does it manifest?
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You can take it any direction that you'd like baseline to to work off of. Big question to start. Much of a big question. Such a good question. But um and the whole point of this, right?
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So to me, health is ultimate freedom, ultimate expression, and um the full expression and energized embodiment of the passion, the creativity, the curiosity that we have um when you get to live a life as a human being. And so health is what allows you to go and do and experience and learn and adapt and fall down and get back up.
00:02:08
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And so it's really the heartbeat and the pulse behind everything that it is to be a physical human being. And um it's also to me, our gift, right?
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ah the The one thing that, you know, is that bridge between being, um or not the bridge, but it's the mortal um promise, right? um Of what keeps us here, even when different things happen to our physical body. And so it's like this constant conversation with,
00:02:41
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everything that's ongoing, our metaphysical background, and then the literal, ah tangible matter that we're surrounded by. So it's just a big conversation, a big ah celebration in the expression of that through living.
00:02:54
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Awesome. Such a cool answer. I really appreciate that, you know, the idea, especially of health and freedom being so intertwined, right? It's so interesting because being healthy gives us freedom. And there's also this interesting concept that being free gives us health, right? It's like a positive feedback cycle.
00:03:13
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it's It's exactly that. And it's that the, you know, the organism that is our physical body wants to have that freedom. It wants to feel, it wants to express, it wants to um be liberated in every potential possible way. And the other component, just like you're mentioning, is that when we feel suppressed, when we feel locked in, when we feel imprisoned, when we feel um like we can't do, be, or have, there's going to be even a physiological pushback from that.
00:03:42
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that will cause a change biologically in our blood because we do have that reaction of, you know, you can even like make it a smaller thing. Like when we're children, someone tells you, you can't do something. What you want to do immediately? That exact thing.
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And so there's some part of this um that's like always pulsing in our actual bodies. And so it is so important. That's why global things become very important. That's why ah medical freedom is essential because we were designed to be free,
Mindset and Healing Stories
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right? not free from something, just free.
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And the freedom is, you know, think about even when you have like something going on in your body, it's usually what, you know, determines and starts being the deciding factor of what you can and can't do. and You know, we associate even chronological aging with loss of function, which is loss of freedom.
00:04:33
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And so this conversation really is, you know, those two things might be the most synonymous things, freedom and health, because it's exactly that the body wants to be free. The spirit wants to be free.
00:04:44
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The soul wants to be free. And so it really, it's such a good thing to like have those two concepts mirroring each other and understanding that It's not just not being sick or not um feeling unwell. It's being able to do and experience and, um you know, have the full expression of what it is to be a human. Amazing.
00:05:09
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Yeah. Yeah. Within this, like, you know, what's what's sticking out to me is this idea of like being stuck, right? Being stuck in these ideas that we have about,
00:05:20
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ourselves about health about the greater world you know and that mindset kind of holding us back you know like I remember hearing a really great story uh from the Biggelson brothers about their father Dr. Harvey's Biggelson and uh he discussed you know he would go down and do these retreats and people would heal from like these crazy ailments like even cancer etc and uh You know, one time this this lady was, you know, healed after, you know, like a couple of months and she was like, you know, what what do I do now? Like, when's the next time I have to do something to like be healthy? And he was just like, Dr. Biggelson, he was like, there's this is it. Like,
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you're you're healed. yeah She was like, well, like i'm ah I'm a cancer patient, you know, I'm supposed to do something. i am ah And it was like ingrained in the mindset, you know, and it was like a hindrance on on, you know, releasing that, you know, and it can keep you really stuck too. So I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. I love that so much. And so I've actually had um a couple of patients that have had such drastic transformations in And I love that you bring this up because I would take note after um those spontaneous healings or those just drastic changes physiologically um and even in their tissues.
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And the interesting thing that I found in the notes of all of the handful of people that i got to personally experience in a situation like that was their comment was, now what? With the most like innocent doe eyes you've ever seen and like a a youthful face and just relaxed facial muscles and ah again, like a total transformation of the person.
00:06:58
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And it was exactly that, now what? Because what happens in that moment? before you were living to suppress and manipulate away things that were restricting you, things that were hurting, things that were aching, things that were dry and cracking, itching, this, that, this.
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And then you arrive at this point where those are no longer going to dictate what you do in your routine, in your habits, um not going to dictate what you purchase at the grocery store or at a supplement store. It completely flips your world upside
Mindset Shifts and Placebo Effect
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down when you get to that point. And that can even come You know, after a prolonged amount of time in a healing journey, I've seen it that way, but it's most profound in those moments, kind of like the story that you spoke to when it's so drastic in nature, because it's literally like flipping your world upside down and be like, I don't have to babysit my health anymore.
00:07:49
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Now what? And exactly that in that. And every time that was my response to him, exactly. Now you're going to go and you're going to live and you're going to create and everything is going to be life giving, not trying to preserve and manipulate and manage. And it's such a different way to live life.
00:08:09
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And the thing that I think is an opportunity to consider in this point is this was, you know, my presentation ah to a lot of people. What if you started living with that paradigm shift before you got the results?
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right? What if you were the cause to the effect? What if you started living like a person that wasn't dictating um every move, every decision, everything in their life around management of a, and we call it healing responses, but symptomology or a diagnosis even?
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What would that do to your tissues? Because even um you bringing up going on retreats, the thing that I studied back when I was trying to really wrap my mind around healing, not disease, healing, which is two totally different things. um One of the things that I became fascinated with was when people went on vacation, their laboratory diagnostic testing would change.
00:09:07
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And they would have um temporary resolution of symptoms ah from extreme to minor. And it's reproducible. You can find this throughout the literature. You can find it throughout stories, personal experiences.
00:09:20
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And so when you look at that, you again, let's pick it apart. And it's not just coincidence, right? But what is it in that person that's changing? Not just their environment, because then everyone's like, okay, I should move the Caribbean. Maybe, right?
00:09:35
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But there's more. It's who are you there? How, are who are you as a human there? How are you operating? What are your priorities, right? What are the things you're spending time doing? Yes, sun might be a variable.
00:09:48
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Of course it is. But the person, the experience of that life is also altering the physiology. And so when we say your life is your medicine, use these things as um these like treasure maps,
00:10:05
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to get yourself to a different state because everything you experience communicates with your tissues. Everything that communicates with your tissues is in circulation in your blood. It is this constant conversation.
00:10:18
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And when you have sustained chemistry, sustained chemistry touches the tissues. When that is prolonged and sustained over a duration of time, your tissues have to reflect that. Just like um your tissues have to reflect...
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um you know, the changes in skin pigmentation when you've been exposed to sunlight, for example. It has to. It can't be like, no, you know what?
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We're in the sun. don't want to do that whole like melanin game. I don't really want to produce a tan or even a sunburn if we break the rules. I'm just not about it. Your body's not going to do that. It's going to reflect the truth of the situation, right?
00:10:58
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And so that's the brilliance and the excitement that I have when it comes to the body because When we say your life is your medicine and everything touches everything and everything matters, it's because it does.
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And when you wrap your mind around it, you're like, wait a second. And then you feel the limitlessness of the potential held within you, not in a wishful thinking way, but in a very practical, rational way. And then that becomes so empowering to be like, okay, it's not just my food.
00:11:28
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It's not just um the things that I can put on my skin and you know, supplements that I can take. It's how I feel. It's how I think it's where I'm at. It's the accidental sunlight exposure from my car into the grocery store. It's coming in contact with a human being um that treated me kindly or even more profound medicine. If I treated someone with kindness and it's this dance of life that starts putting that vitality back into a person. And it's such a different paradigm than you've got a diagnosis.
00:12:02
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And it's going to threaten your life. And if you don't do this, this, this, and this, and take this, this, this, and this, and manipulate your whole entire environment and your whole entire world, it's going to get worse and you could die.
00:12:14
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Um, the point is the living and the way that I found was what if we created a life that was so amazing, so fulfilling that conferred that chemistry to that physical body
Limitations of Traditional Medicine and Holistic Health
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so that the process of healing was life giving, not life taking.
00:12:34
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And you still got the actual biochemical results because it's not again that you don't use modern medicine. You don't use laboratory testing. You don't use, no, use that. To prove the changes if you want to.
00:12:47
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Right. And that's one thing we did in my practice a lot was um we had the before and afters. But the way we went about that middle ground of removing the diagnosis was the difference. So it's not that you don't um even abide by their diagnostic standards. It's like, OK, we'll call it that.
00:13:05
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The labs look like that. the imaging look like that. I'm going to live my way to a different physiology, which will change the tissues over time. It has to, it has to.
00:13:16
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And then you get the end result and the level, like the people that do that, using diagnostic testing because we can't say that we can just override our intellect at this point so many people know way too much and so the modern medicine can be supplemental to empowerment if we know how to use it and so this is one of the things like when i had a person experience that that person becomes unshakable Their fear naturally dissolves, not out of effort, affirmations, struggle, trying to change their mind.
00:13:55
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Their life changed their mind. And then when you change the mind, we know the mind changes the experience and starts altering your perception. So it's this chain reaction that occurs, but the change of the life had to occur first, not the manipulation of the tissues to make it not be in the tissues. And then I'm going to change my life. And then hopefully that will change my mind, or I'm going to force my mind into being positive and hoping and saying that my body's always healing and I trust it, but I really don't. And so I'm manipulating it here and I'm listening to this over here and I'm really fragmented and confused.
00:14:26
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And unfortunately, the truth of um if we're just being objective in the data world, your body's feeling chaos, not safety, right? And so this is like this conversation that excites me so much and should empower everyone. um And exactly like, again, how this whole thing started was that now what?
00:14:46
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When you change the paradigm of how you look at your body and you see that it is for you and you see that it is the effect of how you're living, right? And that you do have a say, then the most beautiful first step is literally exactly that.
00:15:02
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Now what? if i like If I'm not abiding by that old paradigm of thinking or how society has put it in or even how the business of medicine you know, puts it in the airways.
00:15:14
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I don't know how, like, I don't know what it's like. And to a lot of people, that uncertainty is terrifying because in the other way of thinking, right, you knew there was like a certainty to like, oh, I've got to take these things. I've got to do these things. I've got to be, you know, work out this many times. I need this much sun. I need this, this, this, this. this So there's some level of, even though you're uncomfortable, there's some safety psychologically.
00:15:41
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Because it's you have some level of predictability. But when you go to that world of now what? It's massively liberating. And we'll pull in freedom here. Freedom is insecurity at its greatest level. Why? You are fully admitting the truth that you do not know what's coming up in the next moment, much less the next month.
00:16:06
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Right? And isn't that the truth? But that's what we... protect ourselves against because there's so much chaos. There's so much uncertainty. There's stuff going on in our physical bodies, things going in, going on in our families, things going on in society, things going on in the world.
00:16:22
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And so we're just like, I just need something to feel safe. So if I can pretend that I know what's going to happen tomorrow and I can live the same day so that there's some, something that seems same, then maybe I'm going to feel more comfortable.
00:16:38
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And so again, when we're talking freedom, when we're talking health, when we're talking liberation, we also have to talk about insecurity because insecurity and freedom are also synonymous. Freedom is saying, I don't know what's coming next, but I'm an active participant in the living and the directing of all of it. And again,
00:16:57
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you feel that excitement bursting in you. And then you're just like, okay, again, now what, now what is very liberating, but it's also very terrifying. If you've only lived a life where every step is dictated for you, where everything is like, you do this, you do this, you do this, you do this, you do this, you show up and you do this. And this is what you do if something shows up in your body. So it's all laid out. So there's some level of security and that's,
00:17:23
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That's part of what you have to break up with when you truly go into this true health, true freedom. um And then that,
Influence of Environment and Curiosity
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you know, spontaneous living, right? Which is super exciting.
00:17:34
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But then when you get into to the reality and the practicality of it, it's like this, it's a little uncertain. And it's, um it's, ah it puts the individual, right?
00:17:46
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as the most important element of that whole conversation. And so I love that you brought that up because it really ties in so many things of even, you know, I think it's very um beautiful how we all have different backgrounds, right? You and I have never spoken before this moment, but how you arrive at these truths from your experience, from that doctor, from that story, from things that you have sought after. And I have my background completely across you know the world and my own experience and my own, but how we've gathered in the center of like, maybe it wasn't identical words, right?
00:18:23
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But the truth of it, right, is saying this. And the beauty is that your originality and my originality point to these truths and say, uh-oh, if we both got here,
00:18:39
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maybe we're onto something, right? And it's one of my most favorite things um to talk with other people and be like, so I came across this and it made me think of this and then it led me to this.
00:18:49
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And now we're here having this wonderful conversation. um So I love that that um has come up because it's one of my most favorite things even about what I learned and how I changed when I started learning about healing and not just disease.
00:19:04
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Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a pretty good indication that we're on to something necessarily, you know? So I like that a lot. I'm glad you brought that up. I hope that you guys are enjoying the episode so far. And if you are, you will love the Beyond Terrain Academy.
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00:20:09
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But let's get back to the episode. Yeah, it's so it's so amazing because like even every example that you brought up and every kind of little way that you took that conversation there, um i thought like I was in the community the other day and i was discussing this idea of like,
00:20:26
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always live like you're on vacation. yeah know Embody that mindset. It's so simple. Like when you're on vacation, you wake up and there's no alarm yeah and you're free from your daily task of the job that you hate.
00:20:39
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And, you know, obviously we've got to work. So there's a little bit of balance that needs to occur in your regular life. But you know, what kind of mentality needs to be embodied in your day-to-day life to truly encapsulate the essence of the vacation mindset that, cause it's freedom, you know, everything you were describing was, was freedom, you know? And so ah that's such an interesting point to come back to. And I'm so glad that that's how you started the episode off today, because, um, you know, a couple of ways that you took that even was, um,
00:21:12
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That the now what, right? Like, and what doesn't escape me is coming back to the moment. yeah and ah kind Continuously being able to adapt to what's in front of you.
00:21:22
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Exactly. Like you said, you don't know what's going to happen in the next five minutes versus the next month or the year or whatever, you know, like, what's the old saying? It's like, you make a plan and God laughs, right? Like, it's It's really amazing, you know, like, so you really have to come back to to the moment and this continuous adaptation. And that's where the sovereignty and this freedom lies, right? And it's in this curiosity.
00:21:46
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It's in this comfort of the unknown itself, you know, like, we talk a lot about like the like kind of science stuff and germ theory, nonsense, whatever. And, you know, within that, there's a lot of that needs to come of becoming comfortable with just saying,
00:22:02
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yeah, we don't know what we're actually talking about. You know, like that was kind of the most uncomfortable thing I had to get comfortable with, you know, because my background is biochemistry and molecular. And I studied micro in virology and all these courses in university and trying to like come out of that being like, yeah wait a minute, like,
00:22:19
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we actually don't know as much as we think we know. And the comfort in the unknown is like, it translates throughout, right? Like it translates throughout. And then obviously faith has a little huge role. I should understate it, but that kind of ties into this conversation really well. And like right here within this freedom, this adaptation coming back to the moment.
00:22:41
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So any thoughts on that? Yeah, so many thoughts on that. So there's a couple of things I want to touch on. So one of the most profound things that you, ah pointed to there was adaptability. um So again, that's another component of true health is that you um you don't have to have a bag of supplements to prepare you for anything that might happen.
00:22:57
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It's that you have prepared your body through how you have lived up until that point, so that no matter what happens, what's put on your plate, um what's happening in the world, if you need to sprint, if you need to jump, if you need to um not sleep for one night if you need to attempt to lift a car.
00:23:14
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um You have prepared through the living of your life, not the preparation of your supplements, um your you know bag of medicine, right? Not to say that there's no um functionality of those elements, but to if you reworked it all and said, okay, so say you live in a world that never doesn't have any herbal medicine, doesn't have any supplementation, doesn't have all of these things that we call medicine.
00:23:39
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How would you live to prepare your body to be ready for anything and everything that could ever come? Do that. Your life is your medicine. That is your prescription.
00:23:50
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And if we live like that, if you lived and like then tied in the part, the element of being a human being of the enjoyment of that. So again, if you told an athlete, like we got to go to the gym and work out um so you can build your muscles so that you can play this game. The athlete's not going to be like, ah,
00:24:06
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that sounds just terrible. Are you sure? Can you anesthetize
Healing as a Personal Journey
00:24:10
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my muscles so that I don't have to feel the pain of that? that What? That's not it. An athlete's going to say, what? Let's go. Make it harder on me.
00:24:18
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Make it more difficult for me so that when I get in the game, my performance is only going to be enhanced. Put the athlete mentality on this because that athlete mentality is is human mentality. That's the that's human.
00:24:34
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It's not just what you see in extreme sports. Everything you see in extreme sports, everything you see in these professional athletes, the human is that, right? So if you put that on medicine and said, okay, so life is going to have to have really difficult moments, whether that's emotional, psychological, um literal, physical,
00:24:54
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And the overcoming of those moments is what's going to give you the benefit. Would you want a super easy life that never challenged you psychologically, emotionally, physically, literally, financially? Or would you say, hey, put me in the put me in the gym.
00:25:08
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Put me in the gym. Not because i'm you know, a victim of life, but because I'm in the game of life, I'm so fortunate to somehow have won the lottery on this place where you get to taste things, you get to feel things, you get to see things, you get to smell things.
00:25:25
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But part of the game of being here is having this physical body and you're in a cause and effect world. But then the element that you also brought in here too, when you mentioned faith is what part of the cause and effect world is you are also ah cause.
00:25:42
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So while you're living this game, you impact the effect of even other causes, right? And so what do we call that in the world of medicine? Placebo effect, right? If you're in the world of quantum mechanics, quantum physics, we call it something different, right?
00:25:57
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ah If you're in the world of spirituality, and we call it something different. But again, just like you and I both came from different backgrounds and we're arriving at the same truth, so are all of these things. So the truth is, whether you call it belief, faith, placebo effect, whatever you want to call it, it is a true effect.
00:26:17
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And that is the part where it's you in your life with everything else. how How are you? Who are you? Why are you? And then if you're going to invest in the outcome of your experience, what's going to be your investment, right?
00:26:33
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um If you can alter, like take the placebo effect. You know, when I really went into the placebo effect, that's when I really busted open and just fell in love with life. Why? Because it's like, okay, so even if that's a toxin, right? Take Wim Hof, right?
00:26:50
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Profound. You did what? Yeah, right? So that is just a ah glimpse into the the power of the human, the power of what's pulsing in us.
00:27:03
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you know, hidden under placebo effect, go and look at every, like, that's the one thing, like when you, when I started looking at research studies differently, not for what they were hoping to sell, but what was like tucked away, the truths that had to be in there for them to be valid.
00:27:16
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was like, hold on, hold on, hold on. So if these things have to be either controlled for in every single study for it to be valid, is this more important or is what they're studying more important, right? If they have to control for the belief of not just the patient, but also the practitioner that in order to make a research study valid for human beings, is that more important to talk about?
00:27:39
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Or the fact that they were trying to see if a cream could increase ah wound healing time. And I was like, hold on, I think we're not paying attention to the right things. And then when it's just in the background of, yeah, we have to control for placebo, double blind placebo controlled trials.
00:27:54
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but Oh, just don't worry about that. It's an it's an annoying little human thing that happens. um But don't don't worry about that. But look at what the cream could do if the person thought that it could do it in addition to it actually having a function.
00:28:07
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And if we use language like that, we would be so much less impressed with the stuff and so much more impressed. Like, hold on a second. So you're saying that a percentage of the people that didn't even get to have the active component had the effect because they thought about it and they believed that it was going to have the effect.
00:28:30
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Yeah, but don't worry about that. ah we threw We threw them out. That's what we should be paying attention to. And so again, um this is also an opportunity to see that like the information is out there.
00:28:42
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The wonder is out there. Just because it's not where they're pointing the spotlight doesn't mean that it's not part of it. And so again, to have that curiosity, like you said, and pair that with wonder,
00:28:55
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I wonder, because that's that's literally what I did too. When I went through all the education I went through and got all the certification from lasers to all of that stuff, and I was like, oh yeah, I've got all the most advanced stuff, let's go. And then I was like, none of that really matters that much, but that's cute, right?
00:29:11
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And then I did exactly what you were doing with your education. And it's not, this is also important to say, it's not that the education isn't essential, right? The education gave us a foundation to be like, okay, let's ask better questions.
00:29:23
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Right. Science is not science is a question. It's when we put science and say that this is, you know, a doctrine or a law. No, if you talk to any scientist, scientists are like, no, it's science is the question.
00:29:39
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It's what we do with some of the answers that we're gathering. That's part of the problem. So um having education, in my opinion, is not the problem. It's when we latch on to these, you know,
00:29:54
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we say that they're truths and they're not, and then we put them into stories and then we put it into a thing that can sell that. I mean, it gets
Challenging Traditional Health Narratives
00:30:00
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messy, but when you learn stuff, if you know how to utilize, um we'll call it intellectual acum accumulation or education, um and you know how to go to the source and you know, kind of how to think independently on your own and be like, wait a second.
00:30:14
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Okay. Well, if this is the case, then I wonder about this instead of just being like, Oh, the cream worked, let's get the cream. Right. um To have that inquisition. To have that, um you know, because my personal experience too was like when I learned it all and I had my own independent thinking, i was like, hold on, none of this is not making sense, guys.
00:30:35
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This doesn't make sense. And that's when I came to the conclusion that there's a very, a huge difference between a right answer and a true answer. And I didn't understand that in the beginning of my journey. I thought if it was a right answer, it's the right answer.
00:30:49
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But there's a difference because ah take any type of research study, you can get a right answer from that premise. But that doesn't necessarily mean when you include the whole of, say, a person, that that right answer is also true.
00:31:02
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And that's where things get very confusing because in the world of social media, in the world of science, in the world of research, you can come to a right answer. But then when you try to apply it to a human being, say, for health, it might not be true.
00:31:19
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right? When the the totality of the human is taken into consideration or the totality of the story. And so that's when I started really understanding the difference in where you start and ask your question. So again, if you look at the human body and say, the body is wrong and that's why there's disease.
00:31:36
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And now I'm going to ask a question and then I'm going to get a right answer. And then I'm going to apply the answer to the person. It is a right answer, but it's not always the truth.
00:31:47
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Because the truth encompasses so much more when you're talking about a human being. You cannot isolate the tissues. You cannot even isolate the blood from the mood, from the emotions, from the past, from the present. yeah It's all this dance.
00:32:04
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And so, again, you have to, you know, when I switch my premise to what if the body is always right? And now I ask the same questions.
00:32:15
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So the best way to explain it is like, imagine if you knew exactly what you were doing, say with like repairing a car. And I came in, I saw you repairing your car on the side of the street and I wanted to help you.
00:32:26
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And I meant well, but I just assumed, even though I knew nothing about cars, that you were wrong. You're probably wrong. You just look like you're probably wrong. So I'm going to come help you.
00:32:39
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but I'm going to oppose everything that you know why you're doing it. I'm going to oppose it because I'm like, well, shouldn't we use flowers instead of tools? Don't you think that? And you're like, no, please don't. I know what I'm doing.
00:32:49
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I appreciate your help. it's I really appreciate it You're actually making this take a lot longer than if you weren't helping me at this time, right? I'm like, but I'm here helping you, but you're wrong.
00:33:00
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And this is right. And so that's literally what the body is doing. The body never gets mad at us, but sometimes like, can you stop? If I'm creating a scab, there's a reason. And unfortunately, if I'm doing something else in the body, there's also a reason.
00:33:17
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And just because you have a story about what is right and what it should be doing because of an industry doesn't necessarily mean that it's true. And if I think that it's what's going to keep you alive, says your body, I'm going to keep doing it until you change the reason why I'm having to do it.
00:33:40
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And that blew everything up for me as a medical practitioner, because when I was manipulating symptoms away with my herbs and with my supplements and with my diets and with all of those things.
00:33:54
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And then this happened. I was like, Oh no, I am a very sweet, very well-meaning part of the problem because instead of changing what needed to change in their life, I'm manipulating away the effects that would get them to change and actually opposing what the body was needing to have done.
00:34:14
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So if i say, we'll take sunburn again for an example, if i just cover you up in sunscreen and do all these things to make sure you don't have the effects, right?
00:34:26
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It doesn't mean that those effects aren't still happening. We all know that one of the problems with sunscreen is it hides the alarm, not the damage, right? um And so this is exactly, like the body has this process throughout.
00:34:42
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And um we often attack the alarm. We attack the healing instead of understanding that, no, if that person has a sunburn or if a person stays out in the sun past the capacity of their skin and their hormones at that time, the damage is
Living with Health Awareness and Responsibility
00:35:00
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still going to happen even if the superficial changes are not visible, right? They still need to get out of the sun when they've met their limit or put on a hat or put on a shirt.
00:35:10
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It's not hide the effects so that I can continue to do what I want to do. Right. And so then there's another part of the the human being, because when you have that part that we talked about in the beginning of that, I want to do what I want to do.
00:35:23
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OK, but you there's also rules here. And that's also a cue for the brilliance of a nervous system and the cue that is fear. Right. To say, I know you all I know you want to fly.
00:35:35
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But gravity exists here. And so this is part of this conversation of like, yes, we want to do what always makes us happy. We want to do what we want to do, but there's also rules that you have to follow because there's laws at work um in this place that we exist. there There is a cause and effect, but that's not to say just like we were talking about.
00:35:55
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You are part of the totality of that effect. You change every bite of food. You change every substance. You change every glass of water.
00:36:06
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you change You can even change, um based off of your perception and your self-image, the impact of somebody loving and caring about you. And when you really start to understand it, it starts to make all of these things click in this beautiful way of what if, you know, if your past experiences and past relationships have shaped how you view yourself, then even if somebody came in and was giving you unconditional love, you would only receive a portion of it.
00:36:36
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Right. And so it goes from the grand and the intangible all the way down to and if I put a salad in front of you and it didn't have a green organic stamp on it.
00:36:50
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But what you didn't know is it came from the most beautiful farm with a farmer that took care of his land, never used pesticides, prayed over his produce.
00:37:01
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And I got it from him, but you thought it came from the grocery store down the street and you saw that the carton that came in was not stamped with the green thing. And now you poisoned the salad instead of the salad poisoning you.
00:37:15
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That's the truth, right? But we never put everything into context. We know about the placebo effect. We know it's not that we don't know the facts. It's that we've never synthesized them into the actual living of life.
00:37:28
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And then when you're like, oh wait. So you're telling me that even if I'm sitting in front of a salad that has been sprayed with pesticides, and I don't know either way, unless I have my chemistry set here, which most of us don't carry around,
00:37:43
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the odds are maybe fifty fifty even if it does have the green stamp on it because of deception and the whole process of cost of you know certification, all of that stuff in the background.
00:37:57
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So basically the truth is, i don't know. So either I use my intellect and my knowledge to benefit me, or I use my intellect and knowledge um to poison me.
00:38:12
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And we have to take into consideration that that is the truth of literally everything. A lot of the things that we've learned about or that we think that we know, or again, even if you look at research and be like, okay, well, this crop was tested. And so now we're afraid of the certification or we don't trust it. in And look at what's happening in our world today.
00:38:32
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Is our belief in what we believe in becoming stronger or more fragmented? Because even now we're afraid of organic produce. We're afraid of um You know, meat products we're afraid of. And again, it's not to say that the information that we have found doesn't need to be corrected at some level in society.
00:38:51
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But what are we doing to ourselves with the information we're gathering? That's our responsibility. And I talk a lot about the difference between, um like, imagine that somebody came into your house and made a mess.
00:39:06
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Is it your fault? No. Is it your responsibility to clean it up? Unfortunately, so either you can clean that mess up angry.
00:39:17
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You can clean that mess up, burn the house down because you didn't even do it. or you can be like, no, this is my house. So in my house, even if I didn't make the mess, I'm going to honor the fact that I've been given this house.
00:39:28
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I'm going clean it up with the best of my ability. I'm going to turn on some music. I'm going to light some incense. I'm going to open up the windows and let my kitties run around in the background and drink some tea. And I'm going to clean up this mess.
00:39:41
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And again, put that on as a quote unquote disease. You've got a mess in your body. How are you going to go about cleaning it up? And again, pointing fingers should the finger pointing should go like be the finger that we follow to say this is what we need to change.
00:39:57
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Right. Not, you know,
Empowerment through Understanding the Body
00:40:00
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making it something that, again, takes away our freedom. And again, how do we change things in the world? The best way that I've seen. is I've got to be something that changes the people around me before I could ever change a community, before a community could ever change um a bigger something bigger, right?
00:40:21
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And so again, it's like, how do we do all of this? Well, let's start right here and do the best you can with what you've got. And you be an impact to every plate of food. You be an impact to every glass of water. You be the impact right here, right?
00:40:38
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Why? Why not? What are our other options? We're gonna what, take the satellites out of the atmosphere? we're gonna, you know, ah probably not. You know, I sometimes have these like daydreams of like setting all the animals that are in zoos free and like, you know causing chaos in these ways. And I'm like, but actually if I started, like, there's gotta be a better way, right? So yes, we have to take everything that is happening, everything that's very real and it's not look away.
00:41:08
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But it's it's having, again, the capacity um to be able to hold it all and still inform in a way that benefits the life that you've been given. Because what are our other options, right? To know all of this and then hide away and cover ourselves up and um not live and not have impact and not create art, not create.
00:41:33
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That's exactly, you know, if I were trying to suppress the power of a human. That's exactly what I would do through fear. So again, it's not that we, you know, even for me, it's not that I'm not aware of all of this stuff.
00:41:47
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But what are we what do you do with it? And again, if we only had one day, if you and I, if this was the last day that we had, and I know all this information, how would i make this, even if it's just in my body, in my house, in my relationships, the best I could with what I got?
00:42:09
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right? Would we care as much about, you know, being terrified of that salad or be like, oh my gosh, I'm just so grateful I had a salad today. The last grape I will ever get to taste for the for eternity.
00:42:22
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Are you kidding me? going to taste this thing, right? And again, so it's not that it's, these things don't happen and we don't need to make an impact and we don't need to support people that are doing the work to go and um change these things. But on this individual level, we've got to be ah let's be an opponent that's terrifying, not one that's weak and scared.
00:42:44
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You can know about all of this. It can all be happening and you can still be even more terrifying because of it, not more terrified. So again, put it on athletes.
00:42:57
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Um, so guys, you're a high school team and you're scheduled to play, um, a pro team. The high school team that was like, um,
00:43:07
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um we're going to go cry and hide for the next week versus a team that's like, dude, we got to, we got to get good quick. How do we do it?
00:43:19
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Can we, and like starts pulling resources to figure out how they can get as good as they could get. Why? Because if we're going to be on the court, let's give it everything we've got. Oh, but they're pros.
00:43:31
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Maybe they have a bad day and maybe we have unbelievable, you know, synchronicities and something at, you know, play with us, right? And again, how can we go about this time and do it differently?
00:43:45
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And then another little side thing that I often just like infuse into my own heart and soul when I hear even more fear being saturated on people is if you have to increase your force, is it because your opponent is weak?
00:44:01
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Because you're not concerned about their awareness, their capacity? their ability to change something or because you are, right? And then let's even plug the the human body one time. Would you study something that didn't have anything to teach you?
00:44:17
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Or would you study something that had everything to teach you? And then is it weird that we study it and we're constantly learning new things and even finding out that, you know, oh, the brain actually has a lymphatic system. Oops, right?
00:44:33
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oops, we're finding new things that um have been already in operation in your body for since the beginning of time, but it's new to us and it's new to our tools and it's new to our detection and it's new to our language.
00:44:46
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But then we're going to tell that body how to do what it knows how to do instead of trying to understand why it does what it does and correct at the level that would make it do something different. Right. and So again, just for me, I just asked
Beliefs and Health Outcomes
00:45:00
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simple questions.
00:45:02
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And then I always encourage people because like when I was like at my most like super duper educated and technical, I was so confused and none of it made any sense. But when I asked at the level of like my like sassy 13 year old me of like, make this make sense.
00:45:17
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If it's a yes, it's a yes. If it's a no, it's a no. and if you're going to tell me something, it can't be except for this, except for this. The body is perfect when it makes a scab, not perfect when it does X, Y, Z.
00:45:33
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So it has two different programs in the DNA. You're running two programs, one for disease and one for healing. No, I'm confused.
00:45:43
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Clear it up for me. It doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make any sense. Right? And so again, simplify when you're overwhelmed, when everything's overcomplicated, when it's so far away from anything that you have control over, what I learned from my experience was exactly what you said.
00:46:03
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Put your intellectual and psychological ego down. Come to a place of stillness. Ask questions and look for true answers, not necessarily just the right answers.
00:46:18
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And then live in a way that brings that evidence to your brain and your nervous system, because that's a component to the brain and the nervous system love evidence, right?
00:46:31
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So until you give it evidence of a safe life, it's not going to show you the effects of that. Right. And there's a beauty to that. But how do you deliver evidence to um a brain and nervous system that has had a body that's experienced fear, ah trauma, confusion,
00:46:51
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neglect, um all of these things, you have to live your way there. You live your way there. You live your way to confidence. You live your way to being like, I'm not trying to believe that I trust my body.
00:47:05
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It's now absolutely ridiculous to me not to.
00:47:10
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And then when you live your way to that point, then you start understanding the difference between, I'm trying to, I'm like, when you say I'm trying to believe, right? Right. Life doesn't want you to have to struggle. It's just saying you will believe, right?
00:47:28
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You will believe when when you see the truth of it, not when you try to gather from external sources or gather some and borrow somebody else's confidence.
00:47:41
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And that's what I've seen happen a lot with social media is like, I need somebody really being confident and really being loud and really being aggressive so that I can trust what i I want to believe these things, but why isn't it pulsing in me?
00:47:54
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And it's because you cannot borrow it. You have to live it. And then it becomes, but you just, it wouldn't make any sense otherwise.
00:48:06
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Right. And then just like we even said earlier that now what, now what, now that I trust my body, it's not completely neglecting it. Now eating whatever I want. Cause it always is. no, no, no. no It comes with this new level of massive respect of I'm going to give it the best. And now that I know I'm part of giving it the best, I'm not just going to pick the best food that supports the people doing it right.
00:48:35
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I'm also going to be the best and I'm not going to poison something and call it knowledge. Right? So now you become an element of the outcome.
00:48:48
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And it doesn't go to, now I'll just eat candy and I'll do whatever I want because I can and the body always heals. It puts this new integrity to every decision you make. And then what does that do to where we go source our food?
00:49:04
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To where, no, now the decision is in integrity. Not out of fear. That carries a presence. That carries ah just so much more power than stop.
00:49:18
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Don't. It's dangerous. It's hurting us. We're scoured. It's like, no. I've prepared my body to where if I have to choose that or that, right? But then it also, not to say that you can't ever enjoy anything that might have nostalgia for you, but again, you're going to walk differently.
00:49:37
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You may not even have the desire to go to those things that used to give you ah comfort and pleasure because you understand that pleasure pathways are something very different. than contentment, peace, and true joy and happiness, right?
00:49:51
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Biochemically, physiologically, psychologically. So you walk differently. And then your decision-making is not out of fear and urgency and accumulation. It's out of, I literally, I'm just a different person.
00:50:06
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You're now what is an embodiment, right? And again, what does that do to the people around you? Makes them massively uncomfortable, why?
00:50:16
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You're not who you were yesterday. Right. I don't like that because you are so unpredictable. Right. But one thing that they'll start learning is no.
00:50:29
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Certain aspects of me seem unpredictable, but I am now more predictable in a way that I'm going to be true. Right. I'm not going to be flaky. I don't change based off of who I'm around or if the camera's on or if the camera's off is me.
00:50:45
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Right. When we talk about authenticity, when we talk about embodiment, when we talk about
Reframing Disease and Healing
00:50:50
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sovereignty, it's not something you have to talk about. It will be felt, I promise you.
00:50:56
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And then if you go and look into the life and we're an outside observer to the totality of a life, it would tell you what the person believed in. Because we don't believe in the things we talk about.
00:51:09
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we We believe in the things that we've actually put into our lives. And if it's not in your life, you can't put that pressure on yourself of wanting to believe something. It's not in your life. You haven't gathered the evidence for yourself to have that level, right? And then when you get to transcend believing into knowing, but you have to go through that initiation process, right?
00:51:35
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You have to go through changing beliefs before you get to know, I know, right? the even the position that I got to I didn't start out my journey in medicine, believing that the body was always for people believing that every um symptom or what I like to call healing response was in the benefit of the person not going against them. I didn't start out that way.
00:52:00
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But then when I changed my paradigm, and I changed my life, and then I changed my um how I looked at research and how I did herbal medicine, how I did the medicine. And then that gained all of this other and started putting my education in an appropriate place to be utilized in a true way.
00:52:20
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Not that there was no education, right? The education, the science informed a lot of different things. I just had to start using it in a true way.
00:52:32
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And then That informed so much. And then when you see it work in a person and you see it working, like there's nothing that will be greater for you than when you see it work in your own life.
00:52:44
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Right. And then when I've had the privilege of working with people, seeing it, and it's just, you can't not, it can't not happen.
00:52:55
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Just like you can't not get tan if you follow the safe way of developing a tan. And it's not because, um again, even in my practice, it wasn't because of me.
00:53:06
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Your body doesn't produce a tan because I know how to explain it. Right? Your body produces a tan because it already knows everything that we don't even explain well. Right?
00:53:17
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And so it's just how do we use everything that we're learning and everything that modern medicine has made you know, ah accessible to our intellect and not use it how they're telling us to rework it, right? Think about some of the musicians you love the most. it's not because they're playing the scales. You'd be like, okay, guys, let's mix it up a little bit.
00:53:38
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No, the ones that we love are like, oh my, I've never heard anything like that in my life. But it's all the same notes. I know, but the way that it comes through that person is the point, right?
00:53:50
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And that's the point of a life. That's the point of freedom. That's the point of um health and wellness is you're you're creating and you're giving back to the world that you exist in, right?
00:54:02
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So even if you talk about the diversity of the microbiome, diversity of ecology, all of those different things, diversity, right? Absolutely. It's essential. So we need people as healthy as they can be because you're giving back to the planet too,
00:54:19
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or It's not just the bugs are giving to us, everything's centered around humans. No, we're here with it, right? um And so there's a contribution of your life as well.
00:54:32
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And so when you, again, put it put it in perspective, it actually makes you have a deeper inhale and be like, um my goodness, like,
00:54:45
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It's not just me walking past trees and me, um let the trees existing because my conscious awareness is allowing them to be part of physical matter. Yeah, they're acknowledging you too, right?
00:54:59
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There's consciousness in the trees. There's consciousness in the plants. There's consciousness in the flowers. There's like anytime a dog looks at you, it's because it's acknowledging your existence too. So is it bringing you into being just as much as you're bringing it into being?
00:55:14
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Right? And this is where your brain can just go to the extremes of the universe and then come right crashing back and be go like, what do we do with it? or Have wonder and awe. That was the one thing that at the end of it, even when I was being super technical, is like if we had wonder and asked a question and we had awe when we were searching for the answer, we'd be so much closer to the truth than if we asked the question with fear, right? And put that on, you know, those particle studies, right? When you observe it, you change it.
00:55:41
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Absolutely. And so all of this came the coolest thing ever. yeah Yeah, that's great. You know, it's it's so so funny. You know, i I have a whole list here of things that I could probably go off on for hours and hours for each of them, you know, and it just kept and you hit every single one of them.
00:55:59
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You know, we're singing the same song here, which I love. You know, I think I think that's really amazing. You know, and what really sticks out to me from that, you know, entire um conversation there is this idea of like becoming the best version of yourself. Yeah.
00:56:14
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like it kept coming back to this, like do your best. I think that's one of the four agreements, right. That, i say you know, like doing, doing your best, always do your best in the situation that you're in. Um, and you know, that's truly what combats the victim mindset.
00:56:29
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yeah That's so problematic, right. It's always doing the best in the situation you find yourself in that that's responsibility. so That's exactly growth. That's, you know, become the best version of yourself. It's so simple. It's so simple
Mindset Shift Towards Healing
00:56:40
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when you just break it down like that.
00:56:42
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Um, And that's part of asking that what now question, you know, what now, how can I make the best out of this situation? yes It's so amazing. I appreciate that so much. That's so cool. Before we wrap things up here, I really want to hear about this.
00:56:58
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the difference between healing and disease. You've alluded to it a couple of times. Break it down for us really quick before wrap it up. What is healing and what is disease? And we just look at the same thing here or what? Yeah. So again, from my background and my experience, when I changed my premise from everything the body does, um some of it can be right.
00:57:20
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And anything in the world of disease and symptoms is wrong to the body is always right. And it's your opportunity to understand why. And then if you want a different effect, you have to change the cause.
00:57:37
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And when I started looking at it from that premise, um the answers that I was getting to questions changed drastically. And so we can over, um just for sake of time to oversimplify everything, but um the process of creating a scab is healing.
00:57:56
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Right. And the beautiful thing that I also found in this time was without the cut, you don't get to see the visible demonstration of healing. Right. If we didn't have the cut, we wouldn't even know the word healing. Right.
00:58:09
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and way It would be like, wait, what? It's like, OK, we don't just blink on and off. Right. Healing is this dance of living. And from what I found, because everyone, when you're talking about disease, when you're talking about symptoms, when you're talking about um this whole conversation,
00:58:25
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what we're avoiding is not truly disease, right? It's not even symptoms and scabs and bumps and rashes. What we're avoiding, if you you know really distill it all the way down, is we're trying to avoid death, right?
00:58:38
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And if death wasn't a thing, I don't think medicine or a doctor would be relevant at all, right? But when you implant death as um not just an option,
00:58:51
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for a human, but a guarantee, then you can build off of our insecurity surrounding that. And the fact that we have no answers for that, and we're all guaranteed that, and then you can create systems and stories to capitalize off of that fear.
00:59:10
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And so and when I distilled everything down and got to the core of all of the things, because why are we afraid of say a word like cancer? Like you can't, If you really get down to it, you can you know distill it down. And some of it is loss of function, loss of freedom, um having to you know not feel well, lots of these things. But then when you really get down to it, why do we care about those things? Why do we care about those things?
00:59:37
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Well, most people don't really know what happens when we die. and I would say majority, especially if you're listening to this, you probably don't really want to sign up for it right now.
00:59:48
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Right. But we also have the uncomfortable awareness that I'm just as close to death as you are. You're just as close to death as a three year old. A three year old is just as close to death as a hundred and three year old.
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And we all know that. And so when I was in the hospital setting, and asking questions and seeing things from my perspective in that system and things just really not adding up.
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You know, I saw uncomfortable truths that I put under the category of illusions in medicine and the uncomfortable truths were people with perfect labs would still transition.
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but And i was like, okay, interesting data point. And then I would see one of the most profound experiences was um a 98-year-old man who, you know, upon autopsy had cancer everywhere.
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And, of course, the cause of death was cancer, right? He was 98. So was like, his labs were, according to our standards,
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awful. He had actual literal tumors spread throughout his body. He was 98. And then, you know, you could also see, um, unfortunate examples of children, unfortunate examples of young adults with perfect, strong bodies and perfect labs. And, you know, so many times cause of death is unknown.
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And it was like, hold on but, but we're teaching people that, um when your labs are not normal, you and you have symptoms and then you have a disease and then the disease is why you die.
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And then when I was in there, i was like, but then when I look over here, um you know, a car accident with a perfect body with perfect labs, right.
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Um, or unknown, no, literally nobody knew why. And they had a perfect body, perfect tissues, no identifiable tumors. and also perfect labs.
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So then it was like, well, this is there's some gaps in this. And so it's not necessarily true that um symptoms and ah laboratory markers equal disease, equal death.
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Maybe this story... is a little bit different with all of the components still a part of it. Labs are still a thing, you know, diagnosis, that's a conversation for a different day. It's how we have named and try to put a human into an algorithm, right, for the the medical model. And, um you know, it's just a couple of check boxes and you get this word, three more check boxes and laboratory values and you get this word, um this diagnostic testing standard, you get this word, but it's a human body.
01:02:50
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And so when I looked at all of this and was just trying to make sense of it um and then started addressing things at, and we have to be careful with root cause because that's kind of been,
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um We have kind of a preconception about that. But like, for example, if somebody was not sleeping, I wouldn't just give them like valerian or herbs to calm down anxiety. I would ask them questions. And again, we'll oversimplify here. That would lead to the fact that they were cheating on their spouse.
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And
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so instead of supplementing them into a deep, restful sleep, we just had the conversation of you need to address that, right? Yeah. And so this, again, is a small example of very complex things that happen when you are dealing with a human life, right? And relationships and experiences and traumas and ah the complexity of a human life. And so in that situation is a person that has all of the psychological and emotional experience going on in their body while they're lying next to their partner with feeling guilt and feeling shame.
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ah Should that body be asleep? No. So the body is right. If I drug it into sleep, I'm prolonging what's going to have to occur for the resolution of why the body is not sleeping.
01:04:07
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And again, this is a very small example of so many different things when I look and investigated and had true deep conversations. And that's why honesty was and transparency was the biggest part of my medicine.
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And that didn't mean that I always went to the depths of the doors that we opened. but I would show them the door that they needed to go open either by themselves ah with somebody else um or with another trained professional. And um you you really start seeing how the body is for you, that the body should not be sleeping when your heart is racing and your heart is aching and you're afraid or you're feeling the body won't sleep, not because it hates you, because the physiology is not conducive to that outcome.
01:04:54
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Just like um you... can't expect a body to have energy if you're draining all of the energy through psychological fear. And so giving that person coffee, B vitamins, all of these other things is not appropriate.
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And then you start creating a biochemical mess when you step in thinking you know, right? And the biochemical mess turns into a whole nother process that has to be corrected by the body, because then the body's like, we're not supposed to sleep and you're knocking me out, but I'm still going to have all of this other chemistry pulsing in me.
01:05:31
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That's still going to have an effect. It doesn't go away. And if it's not being um handled or processed or eliminated um literally biochemically, much less literally in the life, um there's an accumulation. When you start accumulating things in the body, whether that's toxins, um compounds, biochemical, just there's so much to this conversation, then you will have symptomology.
01:05:59
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Right. And again, it's not because the body is wrong, just like your body's not wrong when it produces a sunburn, you broke the rules. And that's the language I like to use is like, when you break the rules, there's repercussions to breaking the rules.
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the problem that I found is a lot of us don't realize we're breaking the rules, right? We blame food and we try to restrict the diet. And then we go to the depths of picking it apart with organic, not organic, um you know, GMO, nutrient density, all of those things. Those are also right answers.
01:06:27
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But the truth is that most people do not have a physiological, um psychological, emotional state that's conducive to digesting food. And so when I talk about the rules of digestion, the rules of nutrition,
01:06:39
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That's why you're more important than the food you're choosing. And there's a reason, a scientific reason behind why I say that, because again, we already know that if you're running away from a bear, you're not going to stop for a hamburger, right?
01:06:54
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Those are the rules. And so now we're like, oh, let's keep running away from the bear, but instead of a hamburger, let's put in an apple and we're doing it better. you're just minimizing um the level of the consequence.
01:07:10
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You're not eliminating the problem, right? And so this is actually what's going on in medicine. And um this is actually why people need to be in control of their, like, now do you see the complexity of dealing with a patient?
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and how you can't just say, do this, do this, do this. Cause what if they're running away from a bear and you're like, eat salad, go carnivore, go keto. They're running away from a bear.
01:07:37
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Oh, but they're, they've got a cancer diagnosis. They've got a diabetes diagnosis. Stop. And then it's also not just go be happy. They're running away from a bear physiologically.
01:07:51
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You can't have, you know, be happy and eat your fruit. And be like, I don't know why things aren't changing. Your body is running away from a bear, right? And again, we're oversimplifying these massive um concepts, but this is the truth. And this is why you have got to be your own physician, right? Because again, if you're a person that maybe in a visit didn't want to tell me you were cheating on your spouse, and I'm like to the end of my questioning and I'm like,
01:08:23
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Okay, so, and then you're like, it's probably traumas because I'm waking up between 3 a.m. and 4 You're like, but this is still not making sense. And so when I did it, I said, there's something right here. And you that's where you need to correct because physiologically, just like if you kept showing up to my clinic with a sunburn, I'm not going to start talking about mitochondria.
01:08:47
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I'm going to say, are you staying out in the sun too long? but You are a psychic. No, we're not, right? And so this is where if we use education, if we use information as empowerment, as you've collected this data, do not use it how they're telling you to use it.
01:09:08
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You've got to be in your life. You've got to follow the rules that your body actually follows. Just like it has to follow the rules of sun exposure. It has to follow the rules of digestion. It has to follow the rules of all of these other things. And it's not that we need to get super technical because I will just interject here too, um our culture, our like there's there's beautiful, profound reasons why um even like if you go back into deep culture, right?
01:09:37
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So we can't really say ancestors because ancestors didn't have technology. They didn't have satellites. they So it's a completely different environment or terrain, right? At this time than even a hundred years ago.
01:09:48
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um And so, again, we we would have to tread lightly on that conversation. But um there is still truth pulsing in culture, right? Why are these, you know, blue
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zones it not? What were they eating? what were how were they eating?
01:10:07
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Right. And, and so this is where it's like, you don't have to overcomplicate it, but we do when we're listening to information and experts and education, we have to use our discernment, use that level of intuition, use a part of like, okay, now I've learned this. Now what, and what are my next steps to um either in my favorite thing is like, if I learned something that went in me, I'm going to keep implementing it.
01:10:42
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Not, oh, cool, placebo effect, that sounds badass. Never going to do that. I'm going to actually be really negative. No, my brain's always like, I could make something do something that it can't do.
01:10:54
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Sign me up for that, right? So again, let's have a playfulness, even though these are very serious things. Let's have, again, saturated with wonder and awe and massive appropriate action.
01:11:07
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with all of these things, and then you'll live your way to understanding symptoms are healing responses. um Your diagnosis is an umbrella term for how your body is compensating and adapting for the life that you're actually living, the truth of it, not what it looks like, the actual truth of it, the pulse of it, the feel of it, the what it actually is.
01:11:28
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Your body is compensating for that. That's what's reflected in the blood, right? And then the effects are held in the tissues. And if you look at it as it is right, let me go figure out why. Or most of us, if we're being honest, we know the parts that are really getting to us in our lives.
01:11:46
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And most of those things are the things we're like, I'd rather not address It sucks. Like, okay, but that's what's bothering you. You have to. And then again, it makes you become a more self-reliant and you start respecting yourself more because you have to address the actual problems instead of trying to manipulate yourself out of the effects of not addressing those true problems.
01:12:07
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Right? Yeah. Wow. It sounds like we're going to have to do another episode here because I feel like we could probably dive in to a hundred more topics. yeah oh really, really amazing. You know, the whole is greater than the parts. The body is brilliant. You know, these fundamental premises that you can embody just change the perspective. It makes symptom suppression seem a little bit foolish. Right. And maybe there's a time and a place for everything, but at the same time, you know,
01:12:40
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bat It depends. It you off, because you're bringing up a very good point. So for anyone listening, you probably haven't lived life where you can access this level of freedom, okay? So you've got to live your way out of the system that you're currently in.
01:12:54
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If that system includes pharmaceutical drugs, devices, supplementation, um whatever your practitioner's protocol currently is, you have to live your way into this level, okay?
01:13:07
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And um so it's a very important thing to understand that you don't just be like, okay, well, I've been taking, you know, HRT for 20 years. I'm just gonna like, not say, you know, this is not medical advice. This was a conversation, but you live your way out of the system that you're wanting to get out of.
01:13:25
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Right. And so even those that might be undergoing things, that are like chemotherapy, um different things like that, you have to live your way out of the system you're currently in.
01:13:37
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um And the the liberation that we want to share here is that you can, no matter how far into a system you are at any moment, go gather everything that you can within your um capacity with what's available to you and and live your way out of where you're at so that you have the You've got to live yourself to a vitality that has the capacity to have the freedom of choice.
01:14:03
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Because if you've lived a life to where you're now dependent on pharmaceutical drugs, compounds, restrictive diets because you're um you know reactive to everything, you've got to put it into context where you're at. And no matter where you're at, you can live your way out of it.
01:14:19
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but you are going to have to go and you take everything that's available to you from food to mood and you use it for your advantage, but you're never putting yourself or your health at risk because you wish you didn't have to utilize the medicine you're currently using.
01:14:35
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And that's a very important point that I'm so glad you brought that up because it's really important to to put with this message. It's not just like, Don't use it. It's like, what have you prepared yourself to be able to live with? And what have you prepared yourself and your physiology to be able to live without?
01:14:50
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Right. So thank you for bringing that up. Great. Great. Probably great time to wrap things up. Anything that you want to leave the listener with at this point? um je I think if this were like both of our last conversations, um I think this was such a beautiful conversation and could help start pointing, right? And at any time, it's never telling you what to do.
01:15:13
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It's pointing in a direction of maybe look over there because when I started looking over there, I started finding things. And to always, again, saturate yourself with wonder. Take ah full responsibility, but don't poison your heart, your mind, your spirit.
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was saying that it's your fault, that you lived wrong, that you did it wrong. And if you would have known this, the second you come across this conversation was the second this conversation um would be received by you.
01:15:38
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You might not have gone through an experience to make you available for this level of information. I know for me, I wouldn't have been available, you know, 20 years ago ah to this information. So bring grace to understanding, ah bring wisdom to um your change, and then bring wonder to the living of all of that and and let it be a beautiful process. And um yeah, that that's how I would end it because- It's all here. It's all for us.
01:16:08
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And it seems complex and we can distill it down. But the truth, so the truth and you'll find them when you start asking the questions, the answers will come. Amazing.
01:16:20
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Dr. Withersh, how can the listener learn more about this beautiful message? How can they support you anywhere they can find you? Yeah, so I have um tried to distill down the rules that I talk about um in my masterclasses.
01:16:34
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um Those are not medical treatments, but they teach you how to think, not what to think, and how to
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um you know go into the world of digestion and nutrition, energy and stress, light, sleep, um those foundational basics um through thinking in this way and how to start living your medicine so that you don't have to accumulate it through diets and supplements and devices. And again, not so saying that any of those are wrong. It's just not um part of the education that I give. I also give so much on YouTube and Instagram, ah Dr. Cassie Wetheridge. And then my website is gritnaturalmedicine.com.
01:17:14
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And everything is there, past um interviews going formally by Dr. Cassie Huckabee. That's me too. and So you'll find old interviews, old podcasts that are up, and lots of free information. And just to know that the information I give is the true medicine.
01:17:29
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So it seems very poetic and it seems um you know, just kind of for that beautiful language, but there's a scientific and a clinical backing to everything that I've created and everything I put out is the medicine. And oftentimes when you go take those masterclasses, you go back and revisit the content. You're like, it was there.
01:17:47
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And so that's the point of it. So you can find all of that information. There's free information and then wonderful conversations like this through beautiful podcasts um out there sharing the truth and doing a lot of great work.
01:18:00
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Yeah. Yeah. Really good. Amazing. No, this is this has been an enlightening conversation. It's been really, really amazing. So i really appreciate your time. Thank you for coming on sharing your message with us all. This was just a lovely podcast, in my opinion. I can't wait to go back and listen to it again. It's something that's so empowering. And I hope listener enjoyed here today, too. So but thank you. Thank you so much.
01:18:24
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Thank you so much for having me. Of course. All right, and want to thank you all so much for listening. Before we wrap it up, we all need to remember that this is for informational purposes only, and this does not constitute medical or therapeutic advice and will not replace the advice from a qualified practitioner.
01:18:42
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01:18:54
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Thank you all for listening. Take care.