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Chronic Illness Is Not What You Think | Terrain, Nerves & Real Healing
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Chronic illness is not what you think.
In this episode, we are joined once again by Emrys Goldsworthy — who is deeply versed in the nervous system, vagus nerve, and chronic disease. Together, they explore why so many people feel stuck in their healing journey and what the terrain perspective reveals about true regeneration.
We discuss:
- Why the nervous system—not the immune system—drives most “autoimmune” conditions
- How thyroid and adrenal issues begin as nerve dysfunction
- The hidden dangers of fasting and “feeling better” too soon
- Why pain, inflammation, and even fatigue may be healing responses
- How to restore vagal tone through movement, food rhythm, and environment
- The deeper philosophy of adaptation, structure, and “maladaptation” in chronic disease
This is one of the most practical and paradigm-shifting episodes yet.
We go beyond theory — into physiology, philosophy, and actionable terrain-based insight.
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Chronic Disease and Alternative Perspectives
00:01:24
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Welcome back, Mr. Goldsworthy to the podcast. Thank you for your time.
00:01:27
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It's great to be back. Of course. It's been too long. Yeah, I don't know how long been, but it's great to be back. Wonderful. Amazing. We're going to number on chronic disease today, maybe sidebar into a few little more specific topics.
00:01:42
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Where do we start this conversation? Yeah, I think, I mean, you know you do a lot of podcasts on and different parts of terrain, the terrain paradigm, and it's kind of moved past germs now, I think, into kind of everything really, genetics, um autoimmunity, ah fallacy of autoimmunity, and other areas. And I think we need to we need to tick a lot of boxes in the terrain paradigm.
00:02:11
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There is a ah general belief that the body can do it all itself. And I think that's by and large pretty true. But I think, and and I might be one of the only ones that think this in the paradigm, but I think there are some exceptions that the body has kind of once areas, certain parts of the body, particularly the nervous system is affected by something in the environment.
00:02:36
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Sometimes it's hard for it to it to rectify itself. And I do believe that it tries to do it. And we can discuss how it does that and what what those symptoms look like.
00:02:47
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I definitely think that's true. But it's very clear that it doesn't always achieve it. And that a lot of these autoimmune conditions are examples of actual nervous system dysfunction, not not um
00:03:04
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not endocrine. We can start there. I think you know yeah you chatted about like people that are really interested about Hashimoto's disease or thyroid disease, any kind of autoimmune, any kind of thyroid disease really. And one of the interesting about ah thyroid is that from my perspective, what are you gotta do is you gotta follow what part of the body keeps it alive, of course blood supply, but what it keeps it alive at an electrical level is nervous system.
00:03:35
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And interesting thing about it is that the vagus nerve, my area of expertise, which, you know, um I do a lot of reading up on a day-to-day basis. And I found a paper showing, you know, that, yeah, okay, the thyroid gland is innovating or connecting the brain to the thyroid, which basically means it's, an you could say, it's where our electrical system meets the, the, uh, endocrine system in that regard. But a lot of people see it as a pituitary, uh, downstream, uh, system.
00:04:10
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So pituitary connecting to thyroid, um, hypothalamic pituitary thyroid access is the one you'll hear a lot about, right? and there are other axes we can go into, but that one's often not talked about.
00:04:24
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and people take hormones to help with it, or they might take other supplements.
Therapies and Environmental Influences on Health
00:04:29
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But one of the things that I think people are not aware of is that there's some good evidence suggests that thyroids thyroid can decline. This is not the only reason, but the thyroid gland can decline its function when the nerve innervating it declines in its function, which is a concept not generally talked about.
00:04:49
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So the way to look at it is if the nerve that goes to ah that gland is in some ways affected by loss of voltage or compression syndrome or something else, then it may negatively affect its function.
00:05:07
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Hence why people can get low thyroid function. That's an example. And also why the thyroid might decline in its structure and hence why the body has this sort of, but what we thought,
00:05:19
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was an attack on the thyroid, actually probably more likely to be repair enzymes. Those same auto antibodies are more likely to be repair based or at least debris removal systems.
00:05:31
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but Most people agree in terrain, that's the case. But, you know, if we try to inhibit those things, all we're doing is suppressing the healing of the thyroid. So, um but I think one extra thing to that is we need to start looking at the local nerves.
00:05:48
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And, you know, there's a lot of evidence to suggest that red light therapy, infrared, near infrared light applied to the thyroid and surrounding tissues is very effective at improving the function of the thyroid.
00:06:00
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And that is very much the case in my experience. There's also evidence suggests that electrical stimulation of the local vagal nerves there, the smaller nerves that run from the main branch, ah when you electrically stimulate it, you can improve vagal, sorry, thyroid function quite dramatically.
00:06:19
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So that proves the point that we need to start to look at gland-based problems, adrenals, even ovaries and things like that, as being often a neurological origin, not just chemical. you know And then goes down the whole idea of what really is hormonal imbalance.
00:06:41
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Is it an appropriate imbalance that has some function that we're just not fully aware of? ah Therefore, appropriate. you know, possibly if you do something to rectify this so-called imbalance, then are you going against the body's wishes and and therefore reducing your healing capacity or something else.
00:07:01
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But also if the body's unable to produce a said hormone, in this case it would be T4, which gets converted
00:07:10
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then we would need to deal with the reason. And I think this is where maybe some people might disagree, but I think we need to start to implement something that will be productive as far as healing of the nerve or improving its voltage.
00:07:24
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Voltage is a difficult subject for a lot of people. it goes into a bit of physics, but basically nerves need conduction or conductability. And I use a lot of the um structured water principles of negative charge.
00:07:39
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And if it doesn't have that negative charge and ability to conduct electricity, then you're gonna have real problems downstream into wherever it innovates or goes to and supplies energy to.
00:07:51
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And I think that things that damage that voltage, we don't fully understand that yet. There's likely that the environment, whether it's electromagnetics or it's something else,
00:08:03
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Um, certainly it seems pesticides have some role to play. Um, maybe plastics, maybe other heavy metals more than likely. Um, it seems certain nerves have more there are some more likely to be affected by this than others.
00:08:17
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And I, and that does actually make sense because they're more, um, they're in contact with the environment more like the vagus nerve is in the back of the throat.
00:08:28
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It's inside the inner ear. Um, it's in your respiratory tract and your gastrointestinal system. It's out, it's in contact with the outside world. So is some of the other nerves that affected, um, you've heard of Bell's palsy where half the face loses function.
00:08:46
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Well, that's by and large, it's gonna be the facial nerve and that's on the tongue as well. So it's a taste receptor nerve and trigeminal nerve, which is involved in headaches, which is really common with, with toxicity.
00:09:01
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and eye problems as well can be associated with this nerve. And that nerve is in the whole inside of the mouth and the nasal cavities and things like that. And these nerves are um particularly affected by the environment.
00:09:14
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It's quite notable. If you look at people who have toxicity, you'll probably find that a lot of these nerves are the nerves that are acting up, acting up. It may be appropriate as in vomiting is appropriate and that's the vagus nerve.
00:09:30
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Um, but you know, the symptoms of it are often these nerves because they're the first contact, but yeah, we need to start having new conversations about these affected, uh, different tissues of the body that are not necessarily discussed as nervous system related.
00:09:49
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Yeah. Absolutely. So if we take it step back and I know you kind of touched on a little bit, um, and that was a great example to start us off when it comes to the nervous system.
Critique of Fasting and Diet's Role in Health
00:10:01
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Like, are we talking about pure, you mentioned, you know, there's the the, maybe the chemical side of things, maybe a deficiency side of things, you know, if there's a deficiency in in maybe fats in the in the diet or whatever it may be.
00:10:17
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You know, is it a purely electrical thing or the EMFs really something that's disrupting this, you know, and what, you know, i'm kind of curious about the development of the problems that come with maybe nervous system issues, right? Like, it doesn't just start as thyroid issues or adrenal issues, right? Like it kind of begins a little bit more subtly than than that.
00:10:37
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Well, they used to say, and how true this is, is is debatable. When I used to work in functional medicine, if we don't like that term anymore. The functional medicine basically said that Hashimoto's thyroid disease started like 10, 15 years before the first symptom.
00:10:56
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I don't know how they derived that idea. But I mean, that makes sense. It makes sense that it would take a long time to develop something when But the to the true yeah question is really, is it what is the reason the same ah that they thought?
00:11:12
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No, they never talk about the nervous system. It's always chemical. It's always chemical. And that's one of the biggest problems I think is the that they everyone, when they discuss anything to do with all of these conditions, they think chemical.
00:11:28
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ah But we have to move past that. So coming back to fats and nutrients, um Fats are often a big player when it comes to people who've had dietary problems for a long period of time. like Like long term, this is a bit this is going to ruffle some feather feathers, but I have real problem. I have actually potentially, there there is potential problems with fasting.
00:11:52
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Yeah. One of the things I've noticed is that people's vagal health or their general health in their vagus nerve measured by heart rate on average, heart rate variability, breath rate, gastrointestinal stability.
00:12:17
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Tolerance to foods, you know allergies or not, that's a vagal health thing. So people can be overreactive for food and it's actually and
00:12:28
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often either one or two things with that, I'm gonna just mention this so it makes sense, either that the vagus nerve is hyperactive and it overreacts. This can be appropriate, but it it becomes increase in activity and they vomit.
00:12:46
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And then another type is where they don't produce enough enzymes. So the body can't really digest it. So it excretes it and they get this kind of intolerance to food in that way.
00:12:59
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um A lot of the body can't absorb food if you don't stimulate these processes. And so like, for example, regular eating actually stimulates vagal function.
00:13:13
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It's logical. It's like flexing, a ah it's like strengthening a muscle. If you don't eat, you suppress function. And that is my belief. At this point in my work with the vagus nerve,
00:13:24
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People do way better with regular eating than they do with fasting. And I think there's um there's a fallacy with fasting that you actually feel the feeling better is being better. You got to be careful. Like we talked about lot of people miss miss this point just because you feel good doesn't mean you're healthy.
00:13:45
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And I think that I'll give you an example. If you're sick and you're vomiting up things and okay, you've maybe you've eaten you've had something that's know toxic, but the fact that you're vomiting it up and getting rid of it is a health sign. you know You're healthy enough to recognize the toxin and excrete it.
00:14:05
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I would classify that as a healthy response. right being Having a flu or you know how they say you're less, we'll just use the medical terms for a moment, you're less likely to get um chronic disease if you had, as a child, you had,
00:14:24
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the communicable diseases like measles, things like that, right? I'm sure you've heard this before. um That evidence is is pretty good. um Now I'm not saying i don't believe in the measles virus, but, and I don't necessarily believe in what these conditions are purported to be.
00:14:41
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But my point is, is that it's likely that these so-called infectious diseases, we've already mentioned it millions of times, this sort of detox process is more active in these people, at least at that moment.
00:14:53
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and that has some beneficial long-term effects. Whereas if you suppress it, then you're more likely to get said chronic diseases because you didn't and get rid of problems early through those normal mo mechanisms.
00:15:06
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Now, um I think when we find someone has is feeling really good as a measurement, of some of ah of one of our interventions, say, for example, fasting, it doesn't necessarily mean that. And a lot of people who are anorexic, know it's extreme version, feel incredible, but they are not well, you know?
00:15:31
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And i think we just need to be careful. what So I definitely think that a lot of people with vagus nerve problems respond very, very well to consistent um regular meals.
00:15:44
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Because they there's there's this sort of issue with when you eat, right? You lower your cortisol. You probably understand that very well, right?
00:15:56
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ah And that is because partly, not only because of a chemical reason, but also because of a neuro and neurological reason. And it's because our nervous system flips into parasympathetic mode.
00:16:09
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And... it needs to to digest the food, but every time it does that, it stimulates the parasympathetic nervous system. What's it going to do if it never stimulates the parasympathetic nervous system or it does it at a lower level?
00:16:23
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That's my argument. And anecdotally, I've seen it work better. And you hear that, you know, that's why diets are so confusing for some people, you know, some people were like, oh, you gotta have eight meals a day, like eight small meals and you'll feel better. And the other person's like gonna eat once a day, time restricted eating, you know.
00:16:41
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I'm more on the, from personal experience and um and it's like they say, well, if you do intermittent fasting, you cure cancer. And I'm like, well, is curing cancer curing but why or is it just suppressing some innate thing that the body's trying to do in through the process of whatever cancer is so that's the big question with that I think just to highlight a little point, just to highlight a point, you know, because you often hear the stories of, you oh, I went and I fasted for 30, 60, 90 days. And, you know, I cured myself of cancer, right?
00:17:21
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You read, you know, Herbert Shelton, and, you know, you listen to a lot of the new age folks now. um I fasted all my problems away. You know, you often hear about that short term feeling better.
00:17:33
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and what you generally don't hear about and this is true when it comes to pretty much any supplementation because the marketing companies obviously want you to know a certain narrative yeah you don't hear about 10 20 years down the road how life is even a year down the road you know when symptoms reoccur you know when it comes to parasite cleanse is something i'm talking a lot about lately you know it's you hear about the benefits after the cleanse but you don't hear about the four five times a year that symptoms just come back and you have to do cleanse again i Hope that you guys are enjoying the episode so far. And if you are, you will love the Beyond Terrain Academy.
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00:18:59
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But let's get back to the episode. Yep. Yep. And it's not that different to, hey, like I had the flu, i've I had this like inflammation, I took a corticosteroid and I felt incredible taking the corticosteroid and I ended up with cancer.
00:19:14
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Like that's what happens. You know, like... the I think we need to be careful and it's just like conversation, Ken. I understand that and I don't love going into it too much, but, um and it's not my area of expertise. I'm not, I'm definitely not going in that that vein. I'm just saying that we need to be careful when we're looking at things differently, that we don't fall into the same traps that you did in germ theory, right? And it's the same thing.
00:19:42
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um But the body, we forget that the body's innately intelligent Oh, but if in this situation it's not. Okay. Okay. You know, and I think that's what we've got to be careful of. And I'm not saying everyone who does nothing is gonna get well, you know, I don't mean that either. I'm just saying that we need to we need to see where we're actually helping the body or where we're suppressing the body.
00:20:09
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And I think sometimes a therapy appears to be working with the body and they'll say stuff like mitochondrial regeneration or mitochondrial, like also it's always a mitochondria, right?
00:20:22
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um it's like It's the way out for the people with fasting and it's always mitochondria. But I think i think you know going into some of the stories of people coming out of concentration camps, they did a lot of them didn't want to start eating again to the same degree they used to. So there's got to be reason for that.
00:20:41
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they They didn't all feel bad. lot of them felt that... Gotta be careful again. But and anything to do with where people are really starving, sometimes they go into a different mode and it can feel pretty incredible, but that doesn't mean it's good.
00:20:54
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That's what I'm saying. um With some exceptions, but coming back to like chronic disease, like it's very clear that people Need to eat properly. eat like These are the low-hanging fruits. I don't say to people when they come into my clinic, I don't say, hey, look, you know you're smoking this many a day, you're drinking.
00:21:17
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ah These things need to change, right? is You can't fix a vagus nerve if that person's you know having like three wines a night. They're not going to get better. It's just plain simple.
00:21:30
Speaker
And it it doesn't matter how good I am as a clinician. I can't fix that problem. Only they can. It's the same for tobacco smoking and all that. um Alcohol is definitely worse um when it comes to the vagus nerve.
00:21:42
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um But these are easy outs, you know, they just need to stop. But then it comes to food. um I don't think there's necessarily one way. I definitely not a big, ah I don't particularly believe in veganism, but I definitely think that some people don't do well on just carnivore either.
00:22:01
Speaker
you know um You need to get good balance and and listen to your body and that's not always easy to do. Maybe more like your ancestors of your particular family um part of the world that you're from as much as you can within reason. Imagine if you're 50% from Europe, 50% from Asia. I don't know how that works, but I know that I'm European, so I tend to eat European foods and do better for it.
00:22:26
Speaker
That's my experience. But then it comes to like, actually, what do we do about these things? Like people come in, they have really serious problems, rheumatoid arthritis or whatever that really is osteoarthritis to a lesser extent with pain, lupus or whatever that is, Sjogren's, which is, uh, more to do with, um, production of like tears and saliva and other joint fluids and things like that.
00:22:57
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It's likely that these are toxicity problems. I don't think they're emotional personally. I think the emotional side of things aggravates it, makes it more pronounced because excessive trauma and emotions can really dismantle how your body deals with toxicity. I think that's partly the problem.
00:23:17
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And there's some of these people are just, they're an enigma. the The why is not easy to find. It's not easy to find. and But the main thing you need to be able to do with these people, with anyone with chronic disease, is not necessarily know why, because that may not help you with treating them.
00:23:36
Speaker
It's what do we do now? And most of all, it's actually, for a lot of these people, it's actually promoting inflammation. It's promoting inflammation. I know that sounds really scary for some people, but and I don't mean like eating things that are toxic, therefore you have more inflammation. I mean things that support your body's ability to produce an inflammatory response And adequate inflammatory response in it and it all encompasses then includes removing the debris of tissues that have declined.
00:24:10
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That means promoting blood flow, which is a key part of inflammation. It also means removing toxins. So there are three parts of inflammation, right? Removal of the debris that's that's accumulated from tissues declining, either from trauma or from degeneration.
00:24:27
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And then you're going to have to go in there and remove any toxins as well, because that suppresses healing and then healing, of course. But a lot of people don't realize that that has to happen. A lot of in Chinese medicine, they do.
00:24:39
Speaker
It seems Chinese medicine figure that out. They talk about in sort of different words. And we, we acupuncturists and me, Chinese medicine clinicians and me think very much alike, except I have a Western lens.
00:24:54
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um There's got to be something about that. you know And interestingly, theyve they do seem to understand the vagus nerve in Chinese medicine because they've done ear acupuncture where a lot of our stimulation is done.
00:25:06
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But coming back to like, how do we deal with disease? It's not necessarily ah fad diet. It's not necessarily going to be you do exercise, you get a light, you get um diet, you get breathing exercise, and you're going to heal.
00:25:20
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It's not necessarily going to do that. but Most patients that come in have done all the right things. you know They're not all coming in alcoholic or drunk food addicts or You know, just all the things you'd expect from chronic disease cases. No, they're doing better than I am. but You know, they're they're far more diligent with all these practices and yet they're still here, you know.
00:25:46
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And that means, well, what else is there? And I think in the terrain field, we need to start having those answers, you know. Yeah.
00:25:57
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Yeah, you know, and I've been talking to a lot of people lately and it's reported as this feeling of being stuck. Yeah. People are stuck and they're like, yeah, i've done I've done carnivore, I've done vegan, I've done raw carnivore, I've done, you know, everything you can imagine to go down the list and they're stuck.
00:26:16
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And then it's like, well, the question is then, you know, I'm like, you know, part of me is like, well, what what is it? What is it? But I love the question of what do we do now? I think that's really interesting. and So getting past this stuckness.
00:26:28
Speaker
Well, I think one of the, one of the key ones is understanding the condition differently. Okay. so key one is with, okay, let's talk about pain for a moment, right?
Understanding Pain and Chronic Fatigue
00:26:40
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That's a big one.
00:26:41
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So people come in they say, oh I had this really bad pain. It hasn't gone away. um My scan shows this or my scan, you know, my doctor says I need surgery or any, you know, and they may, and they often are like doing all sorts of um lifestyle changes.
00:26:58
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Still they're stuck. And nearly every single time case like that comes up, they've been misinformed. Most, and i've said this in another one of your podcasts, is that most conditions that have been reported on as being the cause of their pain, statistically are unlikely to be the cause of their pain.
00:27:18
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and They're likely to be associated mildly higher in people with pain, but by association doesn't mean causation. you know, osteoarthritic joints are as likely in and in a pain-free individual as in a pain and take a person in pain, you know, knee osteoarthritis, whatever.
00:27:38
Speaker
People think that they are directly associated, but they're not. um And then the question is, well, then why? And that's why I always tend to go to nerves because it's our easiest portal into the pain system. Sure.
00:27:51
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easiest way to to kind of contact and talk to the nervous system in some way. And it does actually work in the same way for other diseases. Like that's why I say thyroid, like applying light, applying other nerve based therapies, and we call neuro modulation, nerve ah altering therapies.
00:28:13
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There's lots of out there, vibration, even just vibration has been shown to improve. Nerve conduction, you know, like those vibration massages and that have fire high but high pulses can do that when applied correctly. when app applied correctly Light therapy, of course, electrostimulation,
00:28:33
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some types of magnets seem to do it and and other and possibly other topical approaches, but that's sketchy at the moment. But these are the things that need to be discussed.
00:28:46
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And each case is difficult. You know, like when it comes to say like something like chronic fatigue, you know, people get told it's their mitochondria all the time. And they'd spend the whole of their working time with clinicians, naturopaths, whatever it might be, doctors trying to get energy, trying to promote energy.
00:29:06
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Whereas from my perspective, they're stuck in a healing state and it might be appropriate. But if you focus constantly on trying to get energy, I don't think it'll ever fix it.
00:29:17
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don't think it'll ever fix chronic fatigue. It's a wrong idea, I think. it's It's probably more likely um something that we just don't fully understand. um I've had some really strange improvements in chronic fatigue by just improving blood flow systemically through things like shockwave and other therapies that promote blood flow.
00:29:38
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All my therapies are pro-inflammatory. Don't tell anyone. It's a good thing. like join Like needling, like acupuncture is pro-inflammatory. it isn' There's no way putting a needle into someone and you can't say that's anti-inflammatory when you inser insert a stainless steel object into someone.
00:29:55
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that ist It is inducing an inflammatory response immediately. so that And it's deliberate. It's meant to. And that's a good thing about it, right? And all of these things do that. Light therapy actually is pro-inflammatory. It's a net anti-inflammatory effect.
00:30:09
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So people need to start considering these these things and improving their blood flow. I think we keep going back to improving blood flow. A lot of people actually don't have good blood flow. And maybe that's because it appears that blood flow is in some ways electromagnetic.
00:30:25
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right? Um, there's a, the work of Pollock suggests that blood flow is at least guided in some ways by infrared light or improved by infrared light.
00:30:36
Speaker
So that's more outdoor exposure, but there's more to it that we just don't understand. lot of people are coming in here and I mentioned to you, we should discuss this clinical entity called POTS, postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome, often put under the banner of disorder, nomia.
00:30:54
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dysfunction in the autonomic nervous system. Well, this term POTS is often misdiagnosed. Firstly, half the people come in here with the term POTS. oh I've been diagnosed, officially diagnosed, and they have low blood pressure. That's not POTS.
00:31:10
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That's it's a different condition. And what POTS basically is this. um When you lie down, your heart generally will come down to relatively low, lower level than normal, then upon standing, then you stand up.
00:31:27
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If your heart rate excessively goes like past 30 beats per minute and your blood pressure raises some way, has to raise, then you've got POTS, clinical diagnostic criteria.
00:31:42
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Now, obviously, I use that term because I deal with medicos, right? So I understand. But even the medicos get it wrong because they miss the blood pressure. The blood pressure drops and the heart rate goes up.
00:31:55
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But actually, this symptom is a symptom of dehydration. And I knew this from a long time ago. And a lot of people improve with just taking salt and water. Don't need to do vagus nerve stimulation, did you the tip particularly the ones that had low blood pressure.
00:32:12
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which is not really pots at all, they would get better by drinking more water and having more salt. And all of a sudden the doctors are doing it too. So obviously some of the patients out there that were doing this protocol told their doctors and they, they're it's a great, dr it's it's a great protocol. And they started doing It's an easy one to do.
00:32:34
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Um, so a lot of these pots cases don't need intervention. They just need to do better hydration and a better salt intake. Um, But you know this there's another issue with a lot of these things is that, and I'm still trying to get my head around it.
00:32:51
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This is getting into the nitty gritty of the why. Remember we talked about like, well, these people come in, they've done everything, we need an answer. And and and this one I'm trying to come up with when it comes something like POTS as an example, because it's one of my specialities, you could say, as POTS appears to be particularly affected by the vagus nerve.
00:33:08
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um Heart rate is suppressed by the vagus nerve. And in these people, their heart rates through the roof often in the like a hundred to 120 in standing, just moving around the house.
00:33:20
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Some people have really bad pots and it's like the heart rate's 160 all the time. And they lie down and it comes back down to normal and stand up and it goes up to 160 again.
00:33:32
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This is essentially a bad case of pots, whatever you want to call it. And, Many of them, ah it appears, have something structurally going on.
00:33:43
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And i not all them have the reasons why you might think, right? What I've noticed is that if we reposition their upper cervical joints, often the C2, the C1, you actually push it forward or slightly angled forward, there's some angles that are better, the heart rate immediately drops on standing. They're standing up, the heart rate's with the roof, you apply a pressure,
00:34:08
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Heart rate drops. Now that's not, there's no coincidence. yeah The reason that may well be, and this is hypothetical because we don't know, is that these upper cervical segments are very, very close and have influence on the brainstem.
00:34:25
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When you push them forward, you push the brainstem forward a little bit. And there are clinical entities where the brainstem appears to be being squashed in some way by structures like part of the cerebellum, which is a lower part of the brain in a condition that I think is getting, i think it's actually lot way more common.
00:34:44
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It's called Chiari malformation. And it's diagnosed in a way which and almost no one can achieve, which is an upright brain MRI.
00:34:56
Speaker
So the the MRI has to be for standing. And in Australia, there's only one in Sydney. So no one's getting diagnosed properly. If you do, like you could go and get a brain MRI to rule it out, but it's not the test you use to rule it in.
00:35:12
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And so everyone, a lot of people come in and that procedure, which appears to be affecting their upper cervical spinal cord and brainstem, not really their vagus nerve, even though the vagus nerve comes from the brainstem, it comes into the front of the neck.
00:35:29
Speaker
It affects it at a much higher level. And why? Why is this happening? It can't be environmental, surely not.
00:35:42
Speaker
It's structural. Repositioning of the C1, C2 forward doesn't really fit in our model, terrain model. you know you know So have all these people had car accidents? No.
00:35:53
Speaker
Have some of them had like forceps birthed? Not many. One I've seen in the last few weeks, but it's not common. Suction, you know no Is it cesarean? No, that wouldn't make any difference anyway.
00:36:10
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don't know. and not all of them are hypermobile or unstable in their body. Like a lot of people think that the nappa neck is affected by hypermobility in my field. And they're really common cases. You'll see a lot of people come the vagus nerve problems.
00:36:26
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they're often digestive issues, um heart, breathing, they're all affected by the vagus nerve, then ah they often have hypermobility, meaning they they're hyperflexible, particularly hyperflexible, more than you would ever think.
00:36:46
Speaker
It's more than just just being able to touch your toes. So it's it's your head to your knees, your elbows hyperextend, your knees hyperextend, Your head, your ear touches your shoulder, like proper hypermobility.
00:36:59
Speaker
And they're not the only and only ones with these upper neck problem. I still haven't figured it out. Why are these all these people getting it? I don't think it's new. i think it's just we've ah we've finally figured out that that in some ways affects heart, right?
Adaptive Functions and Ecological Perspectives
00:37:15
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But one of the big problems is now with POTS is that it's over-medicalized. because a lot of people are being told that their symptoms are from POTS.
00:37:27
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I know I'm going down ah another rabbit hole here, but this is like a lot of other conditions. If you are told this is the reason you have your symptoms, then the search is over.
00:37:39
Speaker
That is not a good way to go about things. you know um i had a patient that was told her stomach bloating and gut issues were from POTS.
00:37:54
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Now, of course, that's already incorrect because POTS symptoms don't include in gut. And if it does include gut, that's associative. And okay, the vagus nerve is involved in both, but that's not what they were told.
00:38:07
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And a lot of people have headaches standing and they can get told it's from POTS. And I think we're going to be very careful. ah What I'm basically saying is that we need to look at ways, but why are these new ideas, like say, repositioning of a vertebrae affecting the brainstem and things like that. Why are these things real things?
00:38:32
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You know, what is really going on here? And I ask the terrain community to keep an open mind that if we fall into the trap of there is no abnormality in what the body does, it's all innately intelligent.
00:38:48
Speaker
I think the body has Achilles heels that it falls prey to and then it can't get out of. I don't necessarily think cancer is that personally as an example.
00:39:00
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I think the body can self-rectify whatever the reason that cancer has to occur. When it comes to something like this, people can be stuck in these chronic states forever, it seems.
00:39:12
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and don't really have a way out no matter how many good things they do. ah This is, there is no end to this conversation. So I'll just say, yeah what what what else? you know Yeah.
00:39:24
Speaker
You know, it's, ah it's interesting. And I guess my thoughts on it, cause we've been talking about this quite a bit in the economy, you know, it's,
00:39:34
Speaker
I think you know if I'm getting really philosophical with kind of the terrain paradigm, with the philosophy of the terrain, would take it outside of just the bottom.
00:39:47
Speaker
you know I would take the holism outside of just the individual. you know And I would look at the holism of you know kind of our our realm And yeah i guess my explanation out of this, um because I found it to be logically consistent, but I'd love to hear your thoughts, is that when we are in these chronic states and things aren't necessarily getting better, ah do think that there's been structural change.
00:40:21
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You know, when you think of homotoxicology, there's been cellular division, they call it, right? Something in the body changes structure, alters function. And it's not just going to necessarily flip back randomly, right? But it's almost like conservation, right? So conserve the body as long as you can. You know, maybe it's a storage of toxicity or a, you know, trying to conserve a certain function of the body.
00:40:48
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We could go on two examples, but... You know, I think that would be the point that I would take. And, you know, just because the body tends towards death, you know, sometimes death is the bioremediation pathway of the body.
00:41:03
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ah Sometimes, and that's kind of looking at holism as a greater thing, you know, just because you tend towards death right that's the body saying well listen you know you're burdened with toxicity you have structural damage you have you know incurable illness you know it's time to just go back to the earth and let's start anew um and that's kind of an un uncomfortable part of philosophy it's true it's absolutely true i mean uh think you're right there's there's definitely examples of that like we touched on posture last time controversially
00:41:38
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Uh, posture is almost certainly unrelated to pain. um and although there are always exceptions to the rule, the evidence doesn't back up that pain is associated with poor posture and the so-called poor posture or bad alignment or bad. This is just an, it's a construct.
00:42:01
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Um, ah Most postures are adaptive for the body to try to get, and like achieve a goal, right? um A head forward posture generally has a,
00:42:15
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it's it's actually a slight lowering of neural tension in the in the body. um The more upright you are like this and the more spinal cord tension you have. When you're forward positioned, you actually take the spinal cord tension off.
00:42:28
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And so if someone has some kind of neurological compression or impingement and they stay like that in this more upright, perfect posture, it can actually be quite detrimental to movement.
00:42:41
Speaker
um people don't want to hear that they because they they've been told told either proper technique so so-called perfect technique at the gym or so-called proper posture will and people bank on that there's there's whole industries around posture and correcting posture it's a money-making thing because everyone has some kind of postural abnormality so if and ah I will be brutal here I think most of it is just money making.
00:43:11
Speaker
So someone comes in and you've got some kind of way of assessing posture. It might be using video, it might be using some kind of scanner. There's lots of different devices out there that that you do something with posture.
00:43:25
Speaker
And they use a plumb line. They say, look, you've got this, you got this, and this means this. um Mostly just, um ah not based on truth, it's just they've extrapolated.
00:43:37
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um And then they'll say, well, here's how we're going to fix it. And that there is no evidence that fixing that posture will fix their problem. They might feel better fixing their problem posture.
00:43:52
Speaker
But it again, it goes back to the same question, is shouldn't we deal with the why, not the posture? The posture is very much downstream. And a lot of people with really bad posture have no symptoms. A lot of people with perfect posture have a lot of symptoms.
00:44:10
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It's not. And the evidence backs that up with the the with the research that's done on posture versus poor versus bad posture. They can't correlate them very well. So my point is, is that deal with the why. And look, a lot of people are weak, purely weak.
00:44:26
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They've got weak muscles because they're sedentary. Simple. It's not hard to understand. And so therefore their posture adapts to be more stable. So your joints aren't inherently in a stable position when they're in good posture. They're actually far more open and they're in so-called good alignment, but they're actually there for increased motion.
00:44:46
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So when you have less stability because you're weak, you need to find stability in the body elsewhere through different positions of the joints.
00:44:56
Speaker
So the main thing is to get strong. the The main thing is to maintain your mobility. And ah that's how a lot of posture gets better. It's not because of something very specific.
00:45:08
Speaker
So it kind of aligns with what you're saying. you know we We need to deal with why the body is adapting and ah you know like and and realize that it's not always a bad thing. Not always a bad thing, these so-called...
00:45:22
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adapted processes and it can actually have a good payoff long-term. it It sounds a bit vague, but it does depend on the situation. I think nearly every every time as a rule, adaptive positions and adaptive i things that the body have done can have rectifying effects. Sometimes it can be healing and reversing of conditions, but you you know, a lot of people don't get to that point. They they can't deal with symptoms.
00:45:52
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like a lot, a lot of people in pain can't deal with the kind of pain that they could experience in the healing process. You know, like if you sprain your ankle, you expect to have pain and you kind of go through it. You don't tend to pay take a lot of painkillers because you know what's going on, right? You know, you're healing, but when you've got something of other of another kind of pain, you don't think that that that that's right, right? And so the body must be, there's something wrong, I've got to fix it.
00:46:24
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The pain, a lot of the pain chemicals are the same chemicals that make blood flow increase. Prostaglandins are blood flow enhancers. Thromboxanes, leukotrienes, they're all pain producing chemicals.
00:46:39
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Bradykinin, these are all promoting blood flow as well. So a lot of it comes down to that. I digress. You know, good.
00:46:50
Speaker
Um, something that pops in my mind is this, this concept of maladaptation. so This is something that I was taught. Yeah. Yeah. I was taught this term. Chronic inflammation.
00:47:02
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Sure. You know, but I was taught this term actually in the psychological world when I studied like EMDR and, ah you know, different trauma healing modalities. And I think there's a case that can be made about, you know, maladaptive habits, right? But it is quite a subjective thing. What's adaptive for one person maladaptive for another. It's also contextual, you know, when you're,
00:47:25
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um in the initial situation when you adapt to it and you develop a certain habit say for you know every time you see a certain person walk in the room you run to the bedroom because you know you're going to get hit or something like that you know like that's an adaptive and then eventually you know you see that person when you're 50 years old and you know they're 70 and old and you have the same response maybe they consider it maladaptive right and it's kind of contextual and subjective and We're kind of tiptoeing into a different conversation in the
Maladaptation and Health Balances
00:47:54
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psychological world. But it's ah something that's really interested me, this concept of maladaptation, even kind of in the physical body. And I think it alludes to this sort of structural change that we're talking about. And I think when I think of structural, I think, yeah, maybe physical structure you know has something to do with that. But I think even if you go to the down to the structure of...
00:48:17
Speaker
the water in your cells for lack of better terms, or the structure of, you know, these kind of ultra structures. You know, I think there's a lot of problems with cell biology.
00:48:29
Speaker
Yeah. But it certainly seems like there are ultra structures, right? There are smaller components to our bodies and maybe there are structural changes here and maybe we can take it down to the water level, take it down to, you know,
00:48:45
Speaker
even, you know, I'm kind of tying in a lot of concepts here, but even something like the biogeometry, bioenergetics, you know, the the minerals and elements of the world forming this energetic lattice for, you know, the water to structure around. Because it's clear that, you know, even though we're mostly water, a kidney is a kidney, a liver is a liver, and they're made out of largely the same things, but they have sort of this different crystalline structural configuration.
00:49:15
Speaker
right and then perhaps alteration of that structure may be due to some sort of energetic properties maybe be due to the introduction of the wrong elements like too many heavy metals versus and not enough minerals or something like that you know yeah and i think you know is this is this like a maladaptive concept like should we start talking about this maladaptive concept in this in the physical world, you know, like, and then that's when I think tying in this whole concept of chronic disease, like, are we just maladapting to our environment? Like, did we adapt for a reason? And then we're stuck here and we're like stuck, you know, when you mentioned something really interesting earlier, you know, it was like increasing the energy in the system isn't necessarily going to combat
00:50:08
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you know, lack of motivation or fatigue or lack of vitality you know, joie de vie or whatever it is, know, because if you have a circuit that's hooked up incorrectly, ah you can increase the energy in that circuit. It's just not going to do anything.
00:50:24
Speaker
No. and if you know, for example, the vegetative state is a vagal state, right? And that's appropriate, right? So, Um, it's appropriate for winding down and going to sleep.
00:50:35
Speaker
It's appropriate for after eating sort of not raise your adrenaline so that you can adequately digest your food. People can be stuck in this state, this vegetative state and stuck. I use that term not because I necessarily think it's dysfunctional or maladaptive, right? Sure.
00:50:53
Speaker
but because we don't understand why. We don't understand why they're over there stuck in that vegetative parasympathetic state. See, being in the parasympathetic state at a high level is tiring.
00:51:07
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it's the It's a very tired feeling. People think it's like peace. I'm like, you don't get it. Parasympathetic is like death at extremes.
00:51:19
Speaker
Do you know about the people who they thought were dead? but their heart rate was like, i don't know, 15 beats per minute. And they put them in a coffin or they put them in the morgue and they wake up.
00:51:33
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They're in an extreme parasympathetic state. And you even saw it where people died due to intubation, where the intubation was put down the throat and it's overstimulated the vagus nerve and their heart sank to almost like no like no beats at all.
00:51:52
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um they revive them sometimes with like adrenergic drugs, things like that. So parasympathetic, it's not always cracked up to be in that some of the worst cases I have are in a hyper vagal state, whatever that means. But you understand that it means increased excessive, a lot of parasympathetic tone. And it doesn't mean it's always a good thing. And that's that binary like of,
00:52:19
Speaker
parasympathetic, good, sympathetic, bad, definitely that conversation needs to go because that is not a survival system. That is ah that is a rollover and die system. That's what that is.
00:52:33
Speaker
You need both systems active and it's often better to have a very healthy sympathetic response. because it's a higher survival rate. You know, you talk about that person ran into the room, it was excessive response, but hey, they're more likely to survive than the person that doesn't, right? That classic evolution of our nervous system.
00:52:55
Speaker
But um I think you were you were alluding to the fact that, is it, and I've lost my train of thought about as to what you originally said, but are we dealing with something at a more meta level, right?
00:53:11
Speaker
Coming back to that, mean, will we ever know? we are we Are we as human beings able to conceptually understand what really goes on the body? um It's a little bit like the movie, The Matrix, right?
00:53:26
Speaker
How did they create the matrix? What is exactly that program that creates that illusion that things are real? I'm not saying we're a program, but I'm saying things can be at a level that's so incomprehensible that our tiny little brains are never going to understand it. We think very Newtonianly, you know, we think very linear.
00:53:47
Speaker
you know, and and I battle with clinicians to think more beyond, oh, too much estrogen or too much X or too much Y or too little X. That way of thinking for me is the most, and you know, redundant way of thinking about the body.
00:54:04
Speaker
We are thinking at a higher level still than that. We're trying to take it up a level, like broader, like not always about the symptom, the hormone and the the neurotransmitter, if they exist at all and something else.
00:54:21
Speaker
they that that says but See, the problem is in my world, that's all that people talk about. And that's what that's. So right now, what we're talking about is like meta terrain above terrain, above this, above, above.
00:54:36
Speaker
And it's great to have that conversation. And I, but I think that, God, these people are so stuck in, and in this and that ah in the natural medicine world. They are so stuck in, Chronic inflammation, bad, you know cytokines, bad,
00:54:51
Speaker
um you know excessive estrogen is pro-inflammatory, causes endometriosis. i mean, it's so wrong ah that it they I don't know how they are not prepared to think at a higher level than that.
00:55:07
Speaker
And when they do, they go, oh well it's diet and gluten, or you know it's the the diet And then it's not enough things that support microbiome diversity, the word comes out.
00:55:24
Speaker
and And again, they're stuck in the same loop. It's this constant loop. I think we mentioned this because and people will relate. even within the freedom community here in the terrain community, people still say, oh, I'm going to do a parasite cleanse. I'm like, do you understand that parasite cleanse contradicts terrain? It completely contradicts terrain.
00:55:48
Speaker
Oh, but I'm going to do a mold cleanse. It contradicts. and And I think that's a bigger issue at the moment. well We will get to the why, We'll probably get to the why one day, maybe not in my lifetime. um And it's probably going to be some kind of either particle physics or something else that I just don't comprehend.
00:56:10
Speaker
It might be God, it it but a lot of it isn't really disease. This is the thing. a lot of disease is not disease. It's just the body killing curing itself and we get in the way. It's a classic conversation terrain.
00:56:25
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um And when is it not that? Well, I think those questions are not fully answerable yet. We don't know why. um um had those examples of correcting alignment.
00:56:40
Speaker
Made the heart rate come down. I'm not doing anything that's suppressive. um The sympathetic nervous system is not crushed by me pushing the C1, C2 forward.
00:56:53
Speaker
So, right. caveat to that is maybe the C2 and C1 are meant to be back. And when I push them forward, I do is I crush the sympathetic nerves that go to the heart, but I don't do that. That's not what's happening there.
00:57:09
Speaker
So, I'm aware of the other storyline. And so you always have to ask both questions. Uh, am I, assisting the system, this goes to clinicians out there and people, am I assisting my system by doing what I'm doing or am I suppressing my system that makes me feel better but doesn't help my system?
00:57:32
Speaker
Or am I doing something that is proposed to do something that it probably doesn't, like for example, many parasite cleanses do work in the in a the right way but because they're using things that are detoxing heavy metals.
00:57:47
Speaker
And so they're doing something else, but they think that it's to do with parasites. And so I think sometimes it's that as well. It's actually that the therapy is doing the right thing, but the reasons why are not what you think.
00:58:02
Speaker
And I definitely don't think toxins are needed. but time I think if we weren't mining metals, we would never have toxicity of metals, you know. I think if we didn't make plastics, we wouldn't have microplastic toxicity. You know, like there's clear evidence. That's not a problem.
Environmental Impact on Health and Misconceptions
00:58:20
Speaker
If we didn't have such soil degradation, we would have probably much higher levels of minerals in our food. But it's absolutely the case that our soils completely degraded um with some exceptions.
00:58:33
Speaker
And I'm not sure is supplementing the way out of it. I don't know. I don't know. I'm still up in the air about that. I'm sure you are too. I'm not sure.
00:58:43
Speaker
I would love a little bit of a clarification on kind of the concept of alignment versus posture. Hmm.
00:58:54
Speaker
So there's chiropractic ideology in this. So chiropractic belief systems is basically, you can have what's called a malposition, or they call it subluxation in traditional chiropractic. Malposition, again, mal, malposition, abnormal position, meaning ah in in the case of vertebrae, that one or a few are rotated when you're in standing static,
00:59:22
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They might be flexed forward, they might flex back, extended, laterally flexed, sliding forward or back. There's a called lysthesis. um Are these inappropriate or appropriate?
00:59:38
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ah That's very much another debate, right?
00:59:43
Speaker
If I relieve pain, Am I, okay, this is a, I'm sorry, it's very philosophical. If I relieve someone's pain, am I suppressing healing?
00:59:55
Speaker
Because pain is associated with the same chemicals that relate they increase blood flow. All of them, pretty much all of them, you know, like that's that's why I'm like, you got to ask that question.
01:00:10
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But that's what alignment means as far as chiropractic alignment. There is other types of alignment that is discussed pelvic alignment. So like the inanimate bones, your hip bones, these big two ear shaped things, they can twist, they can do like all sorts of little actions.
01:00:30
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Are those problematic? Well, uh, and give you examples of of when they appear to be related to their problem or are just kind of there.
01:00:44
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So some people, when you reposition that bone and they move around, they feel better.
01:00:56
Speaker
So other than that, i like, I don't know, um
01:01:02
Speaker
a lot of them are out of alignment all the time and it's not a problem.
01:01:09
Speaker
So again, maybe it is in some people, maybe it isn't. And what's the difference? Chiropractic still believes that if you have things out of alignment, your nervous system is not performing its task or its functions optimally. Therefore, disease progresses.
01:01:24
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It's kind of the basis of chiropractic. But I don't think it's always the case. that I think particularly in my field, you've got to be careful to fall into that like because that can lead to the idea that everything is that.
01:01:38
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and When it comes to posture, posture is just... position of bones, either forward, back, sideways, more as groups rather than singular, you know?
01:01:53
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And those postural abnormalities or changes, again, not always a bad thing, I don't think, um even though they don't look so good sometimes. And is it better with it or without it?
01:02:05
Speaker
Some people, you correct their posture and they feel worse. So i think in those cases, it may not be appropriate. Yeah. You know, what, what comes to mind is, um, quite a few things, but I'll start with like a recessed jaw seems to have pretty severe implications when it comes to mouth breathing.
01:02:27
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It also seems to be quite an unnatural thing, clearly shown by Weston price. And, you know, like when you're living,
01:02:38
Speaker
you know different use of the term in alignment with nature, seems as though you don't have this structural ah issue.
01:02:50
Speaker
um I think, yeah. ah Is that rectifiable at this point? It could just be we can't change it. It's it's passed on. You know, i think my point here is that chiropractic acts a lot like parasite cleanse.
01:03:06
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And I don't think that it's in alignment with natural principles. I think my point of view is that movement is ah missing link. We talk about circulation, inflammation, hydration, structural ah conduction. I think all of these can come from moving our bodies more. And I think that's natural.
01:03:26
Speaker
um you know i think if you go to a chiropractor and you get an adjustment and you feel better but you need one next week or in two weeks it's the same thing as just needing another parasite cleanse or needing you know versus if you start shifting your movement habits you walk more you know you maybe sit in chairs less ye You start adapting to that environment, to maybe a more natural environment, and then things seem to adapt properly. And you might regain that structure. I think that would be my perspective is you should not force structure, but rather allow your body to adapt to the right environment.
01:04:05
Speaker
Absolutely. and the But the hard thing for people is that a lot of these things will take time. And, uh, you know, once you're in doing the right things like that, you know, not sitting in chairs as much squatting, not sitting, you know, um, kneeling and doing all sorts of different movements that would people generally avoid, uh, they'll find that they, they can't, it's like not wearing shoes, you know, they generally will not like the feeling.
01:04:29
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um, for the first while, and then eventually they adapt back to possibly their original state. So we need to see more of this with people. They need to start doing more, ah things that essentially aren't sedentary, but also things that they avoid.
01:04:44
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That may actually be natural functional movement. Um, not all things are appropriate. There's some definitely things out there that people should avoid that are really awkward movements, not necessarily natural, but by and large,
01:04:57
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People need to move in a way that is regular and most of the day actually. So we, as as human beings, that's mostly what we did. We just, we were constantly moving.
01:05:10
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And I think that's, that's being, that's definitely missing now. Yeah. So Emerson, what do we want to leave the listener with? What are things we can do to help our nervous system, help our vagus nerve, you know, what are, what are the things we can do at home?
01:05:24
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Well, I think I talked about eating. I do think you need to regularly consume food. ah I don't think particularly fasting is good for the vagus nerve and that might that's my opinion. ah I've definitely noticed that a lot of people's necks are involved with their vagus nerve. So um a lot of people are constantly their head forward like this and they almost never look up um at the sky.
01:05:47
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So they need to incorporate more neck movements you know within reason, don't do stupid things. And that's very good for the vagus nerve and incorporate more movements to the whole spine and the whole nervous system will work better.
01:06:01
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That's a really good starting point. And when, you know, it's it's hard to give one thing that's going to help everyone, but I think that's a good little thing to add to your regime of things to start moving your whole body, articulating your whole spine ah and use your whole body throughout the whole day, rather than just at one point of the day whatever.
01:06:21
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Walk's a great starting point, but try not to sit all day. I love that. Definitely. Very simple. Very simple. Emerson, thank you so much for your time today. i really appreciate No worries. Thank you. Wonderful. All right, and I want to thank you all so much for listening. Before we wrap it up, we all need to remember that this is for informational purposes only, and this does not constitute medical or therapeutic advice and will not replace the advice from a qualified practitioner.
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