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S2 E22 Maxim W. Furek - Paranormal Author
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Tonight I am delighted to talk with Maxim W. Furek, he's an Paranormal Author and researcher whose work spans psychology, addictions, music journalism and paranormal culture.
Max's interest in science fiction and the paranormal started as a child, reading comic books and watching the twilight zone.
Max and i, then went on to talk about the drone hysteria of 2024, Chinese weather balloons, the whistleblower testimonies and the Tic-Tac Video
We then discussed, the exorcism of Annelise Michel, Ed and Lorraine Warren, the Smurl Hauntings and the Annabelle Doll.
We then finished off the episode by talking about Pattie and the Patterson Gimlin film of 1967
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction of Episode and Guest
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SIPA Paranormal Chronicles. My name's Lee, I am the host and tonight I am delighted to have Maxim W. Freck.
00:00:25
Lee Hatfield
I hope i've said that correct. He's an author, researcher whose work spans psychology, addictions, music journalism and paranormal culture.
Initial Interest in Paranormal and Science Fiction
00:00:36
Lee Hatfield
Max, good evening my friend, how are you?
00:00:38
Maxim W. Furek
Lee, thank you so much and good to see you and thank you so much for the invite. This is great. I love all the memorabilia you have behind you. Boy, I can just...
00:00:48
Maxim W. Furek
There's there's a it's a different story there in itself.
00:00:49
Lee Hatfield
So,
00:00:52
Lee Hatfield
oh, for sure. And im like even behind this screen, there's more photographs, but I thought I'd better put something up to make it look less like a man cave and more like a studio.
00:01:03
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah, okay.
00:01:04
Lee Hatfield
Okay, so, Maxim, your I want to concentrate on the paranormal side of your your lifestyle, even though you've got vast knowledge in, like said, music journalism, psychology and addictions. So where did your interest about the paranormal first come about?
00:01:26
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah, a couple of things. and I remember as a kid you know just being so enthralled by comic books. You I remember, you know, as a young as a young person going to the library, we actually had science fiction books. I remember just devouring them. So I always had an appetite for that. you know, I wanted to know if there was life on other planets and if they were reptilian insect insect like, you know, creatures and all that. And then the other thing, I think the the real thing, though, was I'm a member of the baby boomer generation. You know, we were born between 1946 to 1964. And
00:02:03
Maxim W. Furek
We and me in particular was raised on things like Twilight Zone and Inner Sanctum and Thriller and One Step Beyond and all these wonderful TV productions, especially Twilight Zone, that took a look at all the aspects of horror and science fiction, whether it was demonology and and all that.
00:02:27
Maxim W. Furek
But it was wasn't just science fiction and horror.
00:02:29
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:02:33
Maxim W. Furek
Twilight Zone looked at political themes through the lens of of the science fiction as a means to get around the censors. So it was interesting. You had a whole lot of things intertwined. So i read those comic books and I watched all those TV programs, but I think that with me, I got more of a high from that and and and let me say this too if i could just piggyback on this for one second without being totally long-winded i worked as i was a former drug and alcohol counselor one theory they had about alcoholism was that alcoholics developed a thing called th iq tetrahydra isoquinolone and that it was a narcotic so when uh when um when
00:03:01
Lee Hatfield
That's fine.
00:03:18
Maxim W. Furek
alcoholics drank, they developed this narcotic substance, which was a fantastic way to drink. And I mean, a reason to drink moderate drinkers don't develop THIQ. So you could, you know, so you could understand that. So I think that but the analogy then is this, that I think that science fiction and horror and the supernatural just was my THIQ. I mean, it spoke to me.
00:03:44
Maxim W. Furek
it was my bell ringer. It was something that I really, enjoyed doing to this day. i'm just fascinated by concepts of the paranormal and the and the supernatural. And, you know, that's, that's me. That's, that's my story.
00:03:59
Lee Hatfield
And it's interesting interesting that you mentioned about science fiction because I'm a big old fashioned science fiction fan.
Literature's Influence on Science and Culture
00:04:07
Lee Hatfield
So we mentioned before we came on air about all my collection, but down on the down on the second shelf, I've got HG Wells, War of the Worlds and the Time Machine.
00:04:17
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah.
00:04:18
Lee Hatfield
And like I absolutely love the concept of those early science fiction movies, the man that fell to Earth and and and stuff like that, because it really opened your mind.
00:04:32
Lee Hatfield
of the possibilities of of what could be out there.
00:04:35
Maxim W. Furek
Exactly. And you know, when you if you want to give credit where credit's due, it's not so much to the scientific community, but it's more, I would think, to the literary community. HG Wells, Jules Verne, William S. Burr, not William S. Burroughs, but the guy that wrote The Tarzan and the John Carter of Mars. So many of those folks gave us that vision and they opened up our eyes and expanded our vision. And, you know, it's And even today, i mean, the concept of flying saucers, the concept of Bigfoot encrypted is given to us for the most part, not by the scientists, but by literary people, people that write about it and define it for us.
00:05:18
Lee Hatfield
that That's it. And yeah even in the last few months, with well, even last week with these files that are getting released, 20 or 30 years ago, if you said that you saw a flying saucer or that you saw a cryptid or that you saw a ghost, you would have been kind of like, okay, sir, here's a straitjacket.
00:05:38
Lee Hatfield
What size would fit you kind of thing?
00:05:38
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah.
00:05:40
Lee Hatfield
But nowadays, it's almost like modern culture that everybody's speaking about it.
00:05:48
Maxim W. Furek
Right. It's well, a couple of things. Some of it's like pareidolia, you know, the drone hysteria of 2024. Everybody was looking up into the sky and seeing a drone. And
UFOs and Government Transparency
00:06:00
Maxim W. Furek
it's just the way the human psyche works. You know, we need balance homeostasis. You know, you look at something, you look at a cloud formation and you will find something there. That's what we do. That's that's our one of our greatest abilities. So, you know, As as kids, we used to love to look at the clouds and define describe what we saw. But I just I just think that the, you know, part of the thing is the fascination for what's out there trying to, you know, trying to to understand it. And the thing of it is.
00:06:35
Maxim W. Furek
beyond that pareidolia beyond the hallucinations and the you know the uh some of the stuff that that we could uh explain psychologically there there is reality and truth and exam and i'm an example of that because i am a vietnam veteran i served during vietnam on a u.s on an aircraft carrier called the uss constellation i as a raider man i saw ufos constantly and we would mark them in the books as UFOs and we're now when when I say UFOs what are we talking about we're talking about solid tangible maneuverable context more maneuverable than any any guided missiles we have or had or the Soviets had again even today the things that they're seeing are so fast it's it's beyond anything that we have any and the most recent that I've heard of was over Louisiana there's a an Air Force Base over Louisiana It was being stalked by drones, and our military was not able to go and lock lock onto those drones and bring them down.
00:07:40
Maxim W. Furek
They were pretty sophisticated, and we don't know where they're coming from. So we got the big question mark in 2025 about, you know, at Louisiana. We had the same thing over November.
00:07:53
Maxim W. Furek
New Jersey, with the drone hysteria of 2024, and going back to 2023, we had a ton of Chinese weather balloons as big as buses going over Canada and the United States, that to this day, there has never been a sufficient explanation for what they were and you know and what what the end result was.
00:08:01
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:08:14
Maxim W. Furek
So again, a lot of us are just waiting you know with bated breath to hear what what's going on. andre And you know a proper, legitimate government will not only protect us, but they'll also give us the truth.
00:08:28
Maxim W. Furek
And I contend that we are not getting the truth.
00:08:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, I think i think that that is a bone of contention right now that, you they're giving you a little bit and then they'll take some back and then they'll give you a little bit more and take a little bit more back.
00:08:43
Maxim W. Furek
Yep.
00:08:44
Lee Hatfield
Like I say, in this day and age, I think that people are level-headed enough. If you say, we are not alone and we can prove it, people are going to go, cool, show me.
00:08:58
Maxim W. Furek
I think so, yeah. yeah yeah i mean
00:09:00
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:01
Maxim W. Furek
And I think that with the world being comprised of what?
00:09:01
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:09:06
Maxim W. Furek
Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, and Muslims, we all believe in a higher power and a supreme being who has the ability to create other life forms. So yeah i think we're all I think we're all good with that.
00:09:18
Maxim W. Furek
So yeah I don't think anybody's going to really...
00:09:18
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:09:20
Maxim W. Furek
Maybe the agnostics and the ancient atheists might freak out, but I don't think the rest of us will. Yeah.
00:09:25
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because I can remember the first time that I saw the SpaceX Skytrain.
00:09:31
Maxim W. Furek
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:09:32
Lee Hatfield
i was I was at a friend's house, and yeah he lives out in the sticks, and we saw it. And like there was yeah him and his wife, me and my wife, and we were just like, that is so cool.
00:09:43
Lee Hatfield
But if you're not familiar with the space race as it is now, and you saw that, your first reaction would go, i think that might be a UFO. But of course it's not because we know what it is.
00:09:57
Lee Hatfield
But there is so much out there that everybody that has a sighting or everybody that sees something, they can't all be hallucinating. They can't all be like dreaming about it. There has to be something because it's coming far too common.
00:10:16
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah, I
Bigfoot and High Strangeness
00:10:17
Maxim W. Furek
agree. I agree. And it's sort of like, even like Bigfoot sightings, you have numerous people that are that are saying, these cryptids that they call Bigfoot. They hear the sounds. They smell this this horrible smell of rotten eggs and wet dog. They see the structures. They hear the wood knocks. i mean, just a whole lot of things. you know what J. Allen Hynek called high strangeness. And he was talking about these these elements of high strangeness surrounding UFOs. But I contend you could also do the same thing with flying saucers or UAPs, whatever you want to call them. I still call them flying saucers. But, you know, but, but I mean, there's just a whole list of things of commonalities that people see with not only, you know, Bigfoot sightings, but also with flying saucer sightings. So, yeah, I think that there's something there. Again, we don't have,
00:11:13
Maxim W. Furek
anything to to appease the scientific community uh we don't have that uh with bigfoot we don't have the the carcass or the dna with the flying saucers we don't have the crashed vehicles And, you know, and we're and we're waiting, you know, so I don't know. I mean, i followed, you know, the think it was July congressional ufo hearings with David
00:11:43
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:11:44
Maxim W. Furek
uh, 2024, I think it was in September 2025. It was in November in all three cases. All we came away with was, was that these people believe the government knows something and isn't telling us the government isn't being transparent. That's it.
00:12:00
Maxim W. Furek
No great reveal, just a big tease. And And I feel like I'm getting sucker punched because every time they have these congressional hearings, I'm the first one there watching this and taking notes. you know They give us nothing because I believe, I don't think they know anything. And I think that... Any government officials who belong to a black ops organization that is beyond the FBI and CIA, you know, they're the ones who know about this. The rest of us, however, do not have a need to know, you know, and this information is available on a need to know basis only. So.
00:12:40
Lee Hatfield
That's it. And, yeah you know, you mentioned the 2024 incidents and such like. And, you know, like you just said, what have they revealed?
00:12:52
Lee Hatfield
They revealed that they don't know as much as what we think they do? But they've also released footage of what professionals have seen, like the Tic Tac video, for example.
00:13:06
Maxim W. Furek
Oh yeah, yeah.
00:13:07
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:13:07
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah.
00:13:07
Lee Hatfield
So not just yeah Joe Soap, who's walking down the street. These guys are credible witnesses, yeah military professionals and such like. And I think that's that's helping people understand more.
00:13:20
Lee Hatfield
But there's still a lot behind that curtain that they haven't shown us yet.
00:13:24
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah, and you're correct, because that Tic Tac video from 2004 off the Nimitz, you know taken by Navy pilots, I mean, that's one of the best pieces of evidence that we've ever seen. You know, again, again, just like when I was in the Navy, it it was a craft that would zigzag.
00:13:42
Maxim W. Furek
fast, you know, with G-forces so tremendous that a human couldn't withstand it. So it had to be guided by some other intelligence. And then it then it hovered, then it went under the water. So, you know, for what was called UAP, Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon, and I believe they started to call it UAP, Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon. So they keep on playing around with the words and everything. And there's a whole lot of trickery here. And I think We're being, if I could use the scientific word, we are being bamboozled.
00:14:17
Lee Hatfield
I love that word. and We should use that more often.
00:14:21
Maxim W. Furek
Yes.
00:14:22
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:14:23
Maxim W. Furek
yeah know and And the thing of it is, you know, with 2023 in July, David Grush was the one who testified that he knew where the bodies were and he knew where the crashed vehicles were. This is in 2023. And he would go and give that information to the right people, right?
00:14:41
Maxim W. Furek
Classified information to the right people under the right circumstances. So what's where's where's the the big reveal? I mean, this was in July of
Demonology vs UFOs
00:14:48
Maxim W. Furek
2023. We've had plenty of time for him to go and and know tell us what he knows.
00:14:53
Maxim W. Furek
But again, I'm suspicious.
00:14:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:14:58
Maxim W. Furek
about these people like Grush and like Luis Alexandro, who claim that they know things. You know, i think I think that they worked for government ops, you know, secret government defense ops. But I think they knew a little bit about it, but just a little.
00:15:16
Maxim W. Furek
And I think Luis was the one who helped get us that video, though, with the Nimitz. I think that he did that.
00:15:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And you mentioned David Grush and we have a commercial advertising some UFO show and he gets asked the question, words to the effect of, you are we alone or, know, what's that? any I can't answer that question. Dude, you've just answered it by not answering it.
00:15:42
Maxim W. Furek
You don't know.
00:15:43
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
00:15:45
Lee Hatfield
So would you say that the UFO environment is your favorite go-to compared to cryptids so and ghosts and hauntings and that sort of thing?
00:15:45
Maxim W. Furek
yeah
00:15:58
Maxim W. Furek
No, I think it's, I know it's it's demonology and, you know, I've written books about Bigfoot. I've written books about flying saucers, but demonology, you know, is the thing that that really gets me excited. I mean, I'm just so curious, you know, as a former altar boy, as a current, I would call myself a Catholic Buddhist. I, you know, I believe that there's an afterlife and I think most religions and mythologies believe that there's an afterlife where there are ghosts and spirits and demons that can either contact us or we could contact them and no matter what they say officially you know officially or unofficially all of these religions
00:16:41
Maxim W. Furek
have some type of belief in that. So, you know, I'm working on a book now.
00:16:44
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:16:47
Maxim W. Furek
I'm finishing up my book, The Scream of the Haunted House. And, you know, we're going to be talking about some of this, but I'm really excited. I don't know if I could just give a little preview to your, oh i don't know if you could see that.
00:16:58
Lee Hatfield
Absolutely. You can.
00:17:01
Maxim W. Furek
There's The Scream of the Haunted House, The Ghost Hunters Bible.
00:17:01
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:17:04
Maxim W. Furek
And,
00:17:05
Lee Hatfield
Oh,
00:17:05
Maxim W. Furek
And I hope this, because I mean, I used the picture of the the scream.
00:17:12
Lee Hatfield
yeah.
00:17:12
Maxim W. Furek
So anyway, we'll see how where this goes. But yeah, I'm excited. I think it's going to be a really popular book because but because I think I've done a lot of research and you know I'm excited about it.
00:17:25
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:17:25
Maxim W. Furek
It'll be published by Hangar One.
00:17:27
Maxim W. Furek
They do the Monster Quest series.
00:17:29
Lee Hatfield
And I will buy one as soon as it comes out.
00:17:32
Maxim W. Furek
All right. All right.
00:17:33
Lee Hatfield
well I'll make sure. And it's interesting that you yeah that you said that you've done a lot of research because when i first started doing this with the guys I'm with now, I thought to myself, if I'm going to go into locations and people ask me questions, I'm not going to walk in there and I can't answer any of their questions.
00:17:55
Lee Hatfield
So I made sure that I did online courses about ghosts and hauntings, poltergeists.
00:18:01
Maxim W. Furek
Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:18:01
Lee Hatfield
I even did an introduction into into demonology yeah and and and cryptozoology.
00:18:04
Maxim W. Furek
Okay.
00:18:06
Lee Hatfield
So
Defining Paranormal Phenomena
00:18:07
Lee Hatfield
at least I had a basic understanding of what I was talking about, and I didn't just go, well, I don't know. yeah At least I could i could yeah go down the correct path to describe what was happening at that particular time and yeah and help that individual understand from their perspective what was going on.
00:18:30
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah. Well, you know, there's been some people like I think J. Allen Hynek, for the most part, you know, with the the close encounters of the first, second and third kind with Stephen.
00:18:42
Maxim W. Furek
What's his name with the the I think the fifth close encounters of the fifth kind.
00:18:46
Lee Hatfield
Spielberg.
00:18:48
Maxim W. Furek
What's his name?
00:18:49
Lee Hatfield
Spielberg?
00:18:50
Maxim W. Furek
No, not Spielberg.
00:18:51
Lee Hatfield
Oh.
00:18:52
Maxim W. Furek
Greer, Stephen Greer. Okay, that I think it's the yeah the the fifth kind where we could get together and do like a kumbaya and poke the spirit of the of the alien.
00:19:04
Maxim W. Furek
But I mean, this is he's he's like a new ager.
00:19:05
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:19:07
Maxim W. Furek
He's like you know a space brother you know with that. But but J. Allen Hynek with high strangeness. So Hynek's giving us vocabulary. And I think that's what we need. We need more vocabulary. terminology to divine because we're dealing with the unknown so i think that's one of the things that we do as paranormal researchers and with the world of demonology i think it's important to be able to talk about ghosts as opposed to spirits and know the difference and you know and it's my understanding and and and correct me i mean i know that you're probably more deeper into this than me, but a ghost is sort of an earthbound a person who is stuck, you know for whatever reason. And a spirit has a higher vibration and can pass over to the other side and then come back.
00:19:59
Maxim W. Furek
So, so and and then demons, of course, you know, have the power and authority to go and manipulate both ghosts and spirits, say within a haunted house and, you know,
00:20:11
Maxim W. Furek
So that's pretty much what we're talking about. But I know a lot of people use the term ghost and spirits and interchangeably, and it drives me crazy because it's not true.
00:20:22
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that's it.
00:20:22
Maxim W. Furek
It's apples and oranges. They're two two different things.
00:20:25
Lee Hatfield
That's it. And yeah, when I was doing my demonology course, I was absolutely like over the moon, so to speak. I can't remember what yeah the exact word that I want right now. But we had a demonologist. We had an exorcist.
00:20:42
Lee Hatfield
And they were telling us about yeah the protocol of of doing an exorcism. me It's not you straightforward. And the telltale signs of the differences between a haunting and a possession...
00:20:58
Lee Hatfield
and they were breaking it all down yeah and yeah like speaking a foreign tongue or manipulating your body into into something that you wouldn't normally be able to do and i was absolutely fascinated with that course and it's like it was yeah i i would do it again in yeah in a heartbeat because i enjoyed
00:21:04
Maxim W. Furek
Oh, yeah.
00:21:08
Maxim W. Furek
Right, yeah.
00:21:16
Maxim W. Furek
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Mental Illness and Possession
00:21:17
Lee Hatfield
it so much
00:21:18
Maxim W. Furek
yeah Yeah, I'm getting a vicarious thrill just hearing about that. yeah
00:21:21
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah it's
00:21:22
Maxim W. Furek
but when you But when you look at all the information provided by either Catholic priests or even Protestant priests that that have done the exorcisms, you know people that are possessed seem to have common traits, superhuman strength. They speak in foreign languages that they have experience.
00:21:44
Maxim W. Furek
way to reasonably and understand or be able to converse in sometimes they levitate they seem to have the power of knowing your deep thoughts if you're in the room with them they know they know about you and know and uh you know uh just a lot of a lot of things that just are are just uh you know beyond the pale so uh uh
00:21:58
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:22:08
Maxim W. Furek
and And again, with the with the exorcisms, the Catholic Church has to root out people that are mentally ill. And Father Amorth, who was the Vatican's exorcist, he said that only 2% of the people that he deals with are actually possessed by demons. 2%. All the rest are mentally ill. It's either schizophrenia or Tourette's syndrome or some type of... you know, bipolar or whatever, some kind of other illness. So, but 2% of the people that that they deal with are actually possessed.
00:22:42
Maxim W. Furek
and and And the church has to make sure they work in conjunction with psychiatrists and psychologists to try to figure
00:22:42
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:22:48
Lee Hatfield
That's it. and Yeah, i I've actually got a medical background. I was a paramedic for 13 years.
00:22:53
Maxim W. Furek
Okay.
00:22:54
Lee Hatfield
So we have a basic understanding of the the mental health issues, schizophrenia, yeah and and all those kind of related issues.
00:23:05
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, when they were talking about the differences on that course, I could relate to it so easily because I've experienced, not experienced, but I've seen people suffering from those conditions.
00:23:14
Maxim W. Furek
Oh yeah. I've
00:23:18
Maxim W. Furek
seen it, yeah.
00:23:20
Lee Hatfield
And I found it really interesting to know that when the Catholic Church recruited some priests that wanted to become exorcists, the first thing they taught them was mental health issues.
00:23:39
Lee Hatfield
So it's interesting that they go to the mental health route first before they go into the deeper, darker stuff.
00:23:42
Maxim W. Furek
right.
00:23:46
Maxim W. Furek
Right. Well, you know, that got the church into trouble over in Germany with, I'm trying to think of the young woman's name. She was 23. She was a college student, Annalise.
00:23:57
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah, Annelies, Michelle, yeah?
00:23:57
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah. yes Yes, and she was she thought she was possessed by demons, and her parents believed that, and the two priests believed that, but they had a trial, and they found the parents and the priests guilty of her death.
00:24:13
Maxim W. Furek
And it was it was a very horrific exorcism where I think she was basically starved to death, and and she wasn't possessed by demons.
00:24:13
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:24:22
Maxim W. Furek
She was mentally ill. And they found that out after the fact. But because of that case, they no longer are allowed to do exorcisms in Germany.
00:24:27
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
Influence of Pop Culture on Demonology
00:24:34
Maxim W. Furek
Now, again, above you know legally, formally. Maybe they do them under the table.
00:24:38
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:24:39
Maxim W. Furek
Who knows? But that was the case. But, I mean, I think it was a cautionary tale for all of us to be careful. even there's a i know there's a lot of people out there that attempt exorcisms.
00:24:52
Maxim W. Furek
And, again, there you do them. by invoking the name of Jesus and you do it through his power those are the two things you know so I mean a lot of and then they a lot of these June these amateur exorcists they'll use the holy water and the crucifix and all that and you know but they you know be careful of what you're dealing with you know
00:25:00
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:15
Lee Hatfield
And, yeah, going back to Annalise Michelle, I think she was exercised something like 67 times. And then, like you just mentioned, her family and the clergy were charged with negligent homicide because, like you say, she was mentally ill and starved.
00:25:34
Lee Hatfield
And it's, like, absolutely crazy. yeah in In kind of the modern world, even though it was in the 70s, still modern-ish compared to 1800s and such like but yeah but that.
00:25:36
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah.
00:25:46
Lee Hatfield
we actually studied that case on the course as well. So yeah i I love talking about that because it's a perfect example of what not to do.
00:25:56
Maxim W. Furek
exactly Yeah, exactly. yeah. And, you know, culturally, you know, with the whole world, you know, we had, let's see, Rosemary's Baby, I think around 1960, 69. Then we had The Exorcist, and then we had The Omen. And there was a hunger for the demonic. I mean, people loved this stuff. they They couldn't get enough about it. I mean, those three motion pictures were just so huge. And then that was the arrival of ed and Lorraine Warren,
00:26:23
Maxim W. Furek
who were the pioneers, the ambassadors of demonology. And and I contend that Edna Rainn Warren were to demonology what civil league from the UK was to witchcraft. I mean, they both sort of legitimized it.
00:26:39
Maxim W. Furek
They made it popular. They defined what it was. And so they were important people in, you know, in the paranormal realm.
00:26:51
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, I am so happy that you've just mentioned that because one of the books you've written is The Smurl Haunting. And that this was one of the reasons why I wanted to to get you on here because, you when the Warrens got involved and, you know, we're going to go into a little bit more detail.
00:27:13
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. A whole movie franchise was made because of this haunting. So how did this, this Merle haunting book come about?
00:27:26
Maxim W. Furek
Oh, you mean with with with my book?
00:27:29
Lee Hatfield
Yes.
00:27:29
Maxim W. Furek
Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, there were, you know, tell people that, Excuse me. I think that there was something that channeled through me to write the book. I mean, some unseen forces. And I know that sounds a little contrived. It sounds a little dramatic, but I look at three things. West Pitson, Pennsylvania was very close to where I live in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania. It was about maybe 35 So when this was happening in the 1980s, I was driving up there taking photographs, talking to the neighbors and sort of immersing myself into some of this.
00:28:06
Maxim W. Furek
I never spoke to the Schmurls because they were under attack by demons, by the paparazzi and by the the public, the public that didn't believe them. They thought they were just out to make money. So I was there. When Ed and Lorraine Warren announced that they were going to be doing 15 tour to promote the book The Haunted, which was about the Shmurra haunting. It was written by Robert Curran. He was a friend of mine from the Sunday Independent newspaper that we both worked for. But in 1988, I met Ed and Lorraine in Jim Thorpe, Pennsylvania.
00:28:41
Maxim W. Furek
hung out with them, took pictures, interviewed them, stayed in touch with them over the years until they died. So I was friends with Ed and Lorraine. She was an animal lover. Many times I would call Ed and you could hear the rooster in the background. She had a rooster called Einstein.
00:28:58
Maxim W. Furek
so So I knew them and I asked them about the Shmuro haunting and about demonology and fighting these demons and all that. And then the third thing that sort of was the trifecta was,
00:29:11
Maxim W. Furek
july eleventh friday july 11th 2025 i talked my wife into going to gettysburg to see annabelle the doll and there i ran into dan rivera who was the uh chief handler for uh for annabelle and dan agreed to go and do an interview with me on Monday, July the 14th.
00:29:40
Maxim W. Furek
And Dan died a day before. And here's a picture, don't could see this, not of Annabelle, but let me see if you could see.
00:29:50
Lee Hatfield
okay yeah
00:29:51
Maxim W. Furek
but Okay, there's me and Dan Rivera. That's July 11th in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. There's Annabelle in the middle. And you can see that Annabelle's in a wooden cage.
00:30:03
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:30:04
Maxim W. Furek
There's three crosses there. The wooden cage was blessed by holy water and holy oil. There was a copy of the Lord's Prayer in back.
00:30:15
Maxim W. Furek
And this was to keep everybody safe from Annabelle. One thing that they said in the literature was that Father Bob would be there at all times to offer an an extra layer, level of protection. But when I was there, Father Bob was nowhere to be seen. And he supposedly he was on holiday in South America.
00:30:36
Maxim W. Furek
So we didn't have Father Bob there. But again, I was supposed to interview Dan Rivera on the 14th.
00:30:42
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:30:43
Maxim W. Furek
He died on the 13th. And here's the question. The coroner said that he died of natural causes and that he had cardiac issues. And that's fine. That's a scientific explanation. Other people like the psychic Vincent sisters believe that it was the demonic energies of Annabelle that wore Dan down and eventually killed him.
00:31:06
Maxim W. Furek
So that's the other possibility. And again, i don't i don't know what happened. But, you know, there's a number of people that just felt that Annabelle never should have been taken a around.
00:31:20
Maxim W. Furek
the countryside on that devil's uh on the run tour uh lorraine warren wondered annabelle those artifacts to stay at the warren occult museum in monroe connecticut and in 2023 uh the the the people that owned those artifacts
00:31:29
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:31:41
Maxim W. Furek
and that was ed and lorraine's son-in-law tony spira had the devils on the run tour where he took all those artifacts around to new to new orleans to uh the west virginia penitentiary and then to gettysburg and that's where i saw them in gettysburg but again lorraine did not want that to happen she wanted those artifacts to stay there in in connecticut
00:32:09
Lee Hatfield
What is your personal thoughts about Annabelle?
00:32:15
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah, I think there's there's something there. You know, again, does Annabelle, is Annabelle infused with demonic energies? You know, I mean, that's the story. That's what, you know, the Warrens thought. Or could it be that Annabelle is the target of all of these human people, there are all these these projections, all the people that believe Annabelle is evil, projecting that possibility, projecting those energies onto her?
00:32:43
Maxim W. Furek
So that's something that we have to look at as well. But I mean, how do we do this? I mean, how do we experiment and how do we replicate those experiments? I mean, you know, we're not we're not going to do that.
00:32:54
Maxim W. Furek
And then what happened to Annabelle and those artifacts have been sold or leased for a million dollars to the stand-up comic and his friend.
00:33:05
Maxim W. Furek
And I'm trying to
00:33:05
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah, I saw that advertised, yeah.
00:33:09
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah. So again, again, for anybody, you know, if, if we're talking about being responsible and being cautious around, uh, a doll that could be infused with demonic energies, then I don't know.
00:33:09
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:33:24
Maxim W. Furek
I mean, it seems to me that it's all about the money. So they were able to go and Matt Reif. Matt Reif is the stand-up comic who either leased or or purchased the the artifacts for a million dollars.
00:33:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:33:40
Maxim W. Furek
So...
Dark Tourism and Controversies
00:33:41
Maxim W. Furek
so So there's a million there, but then even when I was in Gettysburg, the Gettysburg connections, the newspaper countered over those three days, 1260 people times $40 each. I mean, at all these places they went to with the Devils on the Road, it was well over $200,000 the bank.
00:34:03
Maxim W. Furek
and There's money to be made in this. And Lee, you were talking about the original Conjuring franchise. conjuring the kind The nine film Conjuring franchise was based on Ed and Lorraine Warren. To this state, those nine motion pictures have brought in $2.7 billion with billion dollars with a b
00:34:23
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:34:24
Maxim W. Furek
$2.7 billion. Of course, the last one, Conjuring Last Rites, was about the Shmurra haunting. And I contend, you know, if you want to be entertained, go see The Conjuring Last Rites. But if you want the real story, the true story, read my book.
00:34:41
Maxim W. Furek
like the smurring when editing rain came to town. And there's my picture of Ed and Lorraine that was taken in 1988 in Jim Thorpe. So anyway, this book was personal to me because I lived part of it or parts of it. And, you know, i feel I mean, this I don't have this sounds, but I feel like almost like I was chosen to write the book. I mean, I was there right time, right place. Call it what you will, you know coincidence, fate, karma, whatever.
00:35:09
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:35:11
Maxim W. Furek
serendipity, synchronicity, there was something there, very tangible that happened that led me down that path.
00:35:13
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:35:19
Maxim W. Furek
So yeah.
00:35:19
Lee Hatfield
And it's interesting that you mentioned about Dan passing, because when it happened, like the internet went absolutely crazy saying it was Annabelle, it was Annabelle.
00:35:30
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah.
00:35:33
Maxim W. Furek
yeah
00:35:33
Lee Hatfield
Me having a medical background, it's like, okay, let's just wait to see what what the medical doctors come back with. Yeah.
00:35:41
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah. Right.
00:35:41
Lee Hatfield
And they said it was natural causes.
00:35:41
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah. yeah
00:35:43
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. I'm, unless I've got the evidence, I'm, I'm going to agree with the professionals because it was what yeah it was my job at the time. So, yeah, you have to deal with what's black and white. You can't assume that somebody's got an ailment or this, that, and the other until it's proven.
00:36:05
Lee Hatfield
But I could not believe the arguments that I saw on social media. yeah it was like It was either Team Annabelle or Team Dan.
00:36:16
Maxim W. Furek
Right, yeah, yeah.
00:36:17
Lee Hatfield
and it Yeah, and it was amazing that the amount of people that were arguing online, well, it was Annabelle, no, you know, Dan had got a medical problem, no, it was Annabelle that caught, it's like, nobody could win at that moment in time, it was it was crazy.
00:36:27
Maxim W. Furek
yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:36:31
Maxim W. Furek
And I got caught up in some of that. I mean, some of those folks up there in Monroe were accusing me of exploiting Dan's death, celebrating Dan's death, making money over Dan's death.
00:36:43
Maxim W. Furek
Come on. I mean, you know, the only body making money was, the you know, the New England Society for Psychic Research taking an Annabelle on the road. They're the ones who made a whole lot of money.
00:36:54
Maxim W. Furek
So, you know, but but anyway, that's that's the site that it's not beside the point. It is the point. Money is is being made through these artifacts, through these shows.
00:37:04
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:37:05
Maxim W. Furek
You know, it's called dark tourism. And a lot of people would rather venture into the dark side and peer into the dark side. You know, there's it's just something that we do. It gives us a thrill. And Carl Jung was right when he talked about that. They are shadow selves. So, you know, that's that's the real purpose. purpose But I mean, I didn't you know, i mean, I was attacked, but That happens, you know, when you're sort of visible, when you have a commodity like a book or where you have something to say, you know, if you go against the grain, then, you know, you're going to be attacked. and But after his death, right after his death, there were people that said, let's not say anything.
00:37:46
Maxim W. Furek
Let's let his family grieve in peace. and which is true, but I'm thinking, well, they're going to grieve in their own way, no matter what's happening out there in the old world, because this is a tragedy, you know, but don't tell me not to talk about this, you because they're grieving.
00:37:58
Lee Hatfield
Correct.
00:38:03
Maxim W. Furek
I mean, that just doesn't make any sense. And that's, you know, so that was part of it.
00:38:06
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:38:07
Maxim W. Furek
But the death of Dan Rivera, and I have a chapter in the shmurra hunting called the death of Dan Rivera and my publicist and myself and two others had some long discussions about that, whether or not we should actually call the chapter that, was that, inappropriate, was it disrespectful or whatever. And we decided that, you know, uh, it was appropriate to do that because it fit into the context of the book.
00:38:34
Lee Hatfield
That's it. And you're actually remembering him as well.
00:38:38
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah, and he was and he was a great guy.
00:38:39
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:38:40
Maxim W. Furek
I mean, I met him there in Gettysburg, and he was a former Methodist that converted to Catholicism.
00:38:40
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:38:48
Maxim W. Furek
All those guys that were there at Gettysburg, you know with the New England the Society of Psychic Research, were, you know, were steeped in God. They were Christians. They believed and they believed that the the power of of Satan is great, but the power of God is greater.
00:39:04
Maxim W. Furek
So that was pretty much their their m MO, their fighting, their battle cry. And, but yeah, but Dan Rivera was a great guy. I mean, he had a lot of notoriety being on a lot of the the ghost shows and a family man, a a veteran, You know, just a wonderful guy, a great guy.
00:39:24
Maxim W. Furek
And and we got along well. And, you know, I liked him a lot. I thought he was great. And like I said, he we agreed to do a phone interview on Monday, the 14th.
00:39:35
Maxim W. Furek
Unfortunately, he died in his Gettysburg bedroom on the 13th. He died the day before. So whatever you want to make of that, you know, go right ahead. But it's it's true that's a tragedy.
00:39:49
Maxim W. Furek
so it's unfortunate.
00:39:49
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. It absolutely is. And yeah he's one of those those people... that certain things would not have been have happened within the paranormal community if it wasn't for him.
00:40:04
Maxim W. Furek
I think so, yeah.
00:40:04
Lee Hatfield
So yeah we have to remember him for for that, for sure.
00:40:09
Maxim W. Furek
Oh, exactly.
Community Challenges and Collaboration
00:40:10
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah. And again, another, he was, he was good friends with ed and Lorraine Warren. He helped construct that wooden cage with Ed.
00:40:20
Maxim W. Furek
They used a glass from a from a, from a church. I guess it was a deconsecrated church and they put this together, but that's where Annabelle was. And I looked into her eyes and I mean, I didn't see anything demonic, but I just saw a raggedy Ann doll.
00:40:36
Maxim W. Furek
But I'll tell you, in Gettysburg, when I went to to see her, it was a really very dramatic ambiance with chimes and it looked like dry ice and purple lights and everything. I mean, it was a really big production. And so, yeah I mean, I'm glad I went, glad I met Dan and and all that. But, you know, this is part of our paranormal journey.
00:41:01
Maxim W. Furek
realm, you know, they're the good the good things and things not so good. The controversies, you know, the, you know, I'm pretty much entrenched with the Bigfoot community here in Pennsylvania. And I'll tell you what, there's a lot of infighting. There's a lot of castigation between these Bigfoot researchers and it gets, it gets pretty ugly. And I just divorce myself from that because I don't want to,
00:41:27
Maxim W. Furek
be any part of that that drama. it It's no no good for the for the paranormal realm. And I think it just takes us down. you know I think that what we need to do is speak the king's English, do our research, you know try to define the parameters of of the of the paranormal, you know hopefully to you know at some point Walk hand in hand with the scientific community, you know, because we need each other.
00:41:55
Maxim W. Furek
So that that's my hope. And I think if anything, that's what I hope I can bring to the fore, you know, maybe like a little looking through the paranormal through an academic lens, if if that's what I do.
00:42:08
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly. And yeah, I've been doing the this podcast for like 16 months now. And one thing that I always emphasize with people is it does not matter who I have on this show.
00:42:27
Lee Hatfield
They've all got a story to tell, no matter what it is. And I cannot call any single one of them a liar because but because what they've experienced, just because I haven't, yeah just just because it didn't happen to me, I can't call them a liar.
00:42:35
Maxim W. Furek
yeah
00:42:39
Maxim W. Furek
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:42:45
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, i I get as much information as I can, no matter what the subject is. And after each episode, I'm learning more and more. And and yeah at the end of the day, if people learn from it, yeah you've you've achieved your objective.
Interdimensional Theory of Bigfoot
00:43:01
Maxim W. Furek
I think so. I think what we want to do is we just want to discuss this and see what makes sense and what doesn't. You know, I'll take a good example would be flying saucers from other planets. You know, the old fashioned, old school, the art archaic viewpoint was that the Space Brothers would fly from their planet trillions of light years to Earth.
00:43:24
Maxim W. Furek
And, you know, looking at that, it would just take too much time, too much energy, too much anything. You know, Einstein's theory of relativity would just blow holes through that. It just can't work. But Jacques Vallée said that, well, maybe, you know, if you take this like Einstein and Rosen said, you know, with their bridge theory or wormhole theory, that if you take a the space-time continuum.
00:43:47
Maxim W. Furek
And if you bend it in half and you punch a hole through it, you could go from A to B in a microsecond. That makes sense. That is a better theory.
00:43:57
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:43:58
Maxim W. Furek
It's a theory, but it's a better theory than just going from, you know, all those trillions of miles. So, I believe that. I believe that Bigfoot and also flying saucers are interdimensional. There's some sort of a portal that they zigzag, they shapeshift through that that portal from one dimension to ours. So that's something that makes sense. But again, we talk about that in demonology. We talk about spirits having a higher vibration and being able to pass over things.
00:44:28
Maxim W. Furek
and come back where ghosts don't have that vibration and they're stuck. They're earthbound. you know So you know some interesting parallels.
00:44:36
Lee Hatfield
That's it. And the yeah, i'vepo I've spoken to many different people that have been sass Sasquatch investigators, Bigfoot, Dogman.
00:44:39
Maxim W. Furek
Right.
00:44:47
Lee Hatfield
And yeah, they come out with stuff that I've never even thought about before, you know, like interdimensional. Yeah. and And it's like, it makes sense.
00:45:01
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, yeah, for people that go, i'll they don't exist because we haven't caught one. Yeah, there's probably a reason why the we haven't caught one.
00:45:12
Lee Hatfield
They're probably a hell of lot more intelligent than what we are. And they're going, oh, yeah, there's a bunch of humans coming again. Let's let's let's get out of here.
00:45:20
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:21
Lee Hatfield
and It's like...
00:45:21
Maxim W. Furek
I, I, I think they have, i think they have special abilities and a lot of people have talked about that. So, you know, uh, they say they don't walk, they glide, they don't reflect light from their eyes, but they emit light. They have the, uh,
00:45:38
Maxim W. Furek
rapid transport or by location you see them there then they're there so all kinds of just like really bizarre things but uh you know the the whole thing about bigfoot is pretty amazing and uh you know i mean i love talking about that and you know
00:45:54
Lee Hatfield
And you love writing about it the Lost Tribes of Bigfoot.
00:45:58
Maxim W. Furek
Yes, exactly. yeah Yes. And I you know really enjoy being a paranormal author because I just think that you know i'm I'm almost like a little kid in a sandbox. Kids are curious. Little kids learn how to play the piano or you know learn another language because they have all these brand new synapses. And I think that even you know as we get older, I think we can still keep it going. you know, through curiosity and interest. And I think that's the driving force. If you're curious and interested, then you go and you look at these things and you try to learn. And I think, if anything, that's my ability that I just, you know, i have that that fascination for these
00:46:45
Maxim W. Furek
these unknown realms of the paranormal. And, you know, and that's why I research and write. But I mean, it's just wonderful to be able to go and come up with these ideas.
00:46:57
Maxim W. Furek
And, you know, so anyway, i'm I'm a happy camper. You know, they say that the man, the person that finds their joy, you know, is, I mean, that, you know, that's, that's all you need in life, you know, so, you know.
00:47:09
Lee Hatfield
That's it. And what and when you're sat in the sun in Florida, you've got your cocktail or whatever on your table and you're writing, sun's beating down, no snow, what more could you ask for?
00:47:20
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah, I know.
00:47:22
Lee Hatfield
but
00:47:22
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah, it's pretty interesting because i will write the book and do the research down in Florida and then come back here to Pennsylvania and fine tune it. Make it artsy, strip away this superfluous stuff, adjectives and adverbs. You don't need to kill the reader.
00:47:38
Maxim W. Furek
with extra words you don't need to do that be respectful to the reader but i i you know i think that some of my work is uh part scientific and and part poetry i mean i love writing and sometimes not a whole lot but sometimes i get a little bit artsy just to describe you know some of these things that are out there so you know and that's all fine now we all have our niche and uh you know
00:48:02
Lee Hatfield
Exactly.
00:48:03
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah, so and people that read my books, a lot of them like what they read.
00:48:04
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:48:07
Maxim W. Furek
So and that's the the best
Evidence and Research on Bigfoot
00:48:09
Maxim W. Furek
compliment I could get.
00:48:10
Lee Hatfield
and Exactly. Yeah. And yeah, good let's go back to the Bigfoot just for a second. I was talking to a guy last week and I released his episode last week and he showed me a 15 inch footprint that that yeah cast.
00:48:26
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah.
00:48:26
Lee Hatfield
And he goes, well, yeah, some people say it's fake. He goes, yeah, some people say it's a double step yeah of of of a normal animal. But when you can definitively see the individual digits of that foot, and it's like, to say, 15 to 16 inches, and yeah you know down well it's not a double step.
00:48:48
Lee Hatfield
like that's when the mind starts wondering to what actually is this. I know for a fact it's not some, you Joe Bloggs with a big wooden footprint stamping down through the forest.
00:49:03
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah.
00:49:03
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, we we may never know what what they are, but as each investigation goes on,
00:49:08
Maxim W. Furek
Oh,
00:49:11
Lee Hatfield
And more people write your books yeah and come out with these the evidence, the more information we get. And then one day, one day we may get definitive like
00:49:26
Maxim W. Furek
Right.
00:49:27
Lee Hatfield
evidence.
00:49:28
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah. I think when you look at Bigfoot evidence, I think that two things. One, the Patterson-Gimlin film of 1967. And I don't care what they're saying currently about that.
00:49:38
Maxim W. Furek
I believe that it's accurate. It's the it's the Holy Grail. The other thing are the footcasts and Dr. Jeff Meldrum. who passed away in 2025. I had a chance to meet him down in Ocala at the Bigfoot Expo a couple years ago. And he has one had one of the world's largest collections of these foot casts. And it's amazing how big they are. You know, bigger than any than any bear. You know, the the stride bigger than any anything that we know. I mean, just pretty impressive stuff. Now, again, those are the two things that we have, the Patterson-Gimlin film and the foot cast.
00:50:18
Maxim W. Furek
You know, those are the best pieces of evidence that we have. And Dr. Meldrum, what he did was he was able to go and speak as a scientist and bring cryptozoology a little bit closer to the to the high table.
00:50:34
Maxim W. Furek
You know, so he did a lot of good for us. And I don't know if there's anybody with his credentials that's going to be able to step into his shoes because he was he was legendary. He was just a great guy. And just so...
00:50:47
Maxim W. Furek
easy to get along with, so accessible. And man, what what a great guy. you know So he he's from i Idaho.
00:50:51
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:50:53
Maxim W. Furek
you know
00:50:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And one of the things I find interesting about the Patterson Gimlin is, yeah, this was in the mid-60s. The only other recognisable creatures that we had at that time was Planet of the Apes with Charles Heston.
00:51:02
Maxim W. Furek
Right.
00:51:12
Lee Hatfield
And it's sort of like, yeah, you could see the blacks of the eyes in the...
00:51:12
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah.
00:51:16
Lee Hatfield
in in the So it's like, yeah, yes... A lot of people think, yeah that like you said, that is the... the best evidence what we have.
00:51:27
Lee Hatfield
But I did see a documentary recently where they were able to enhance the video and they could say, oh yeah, this is where yeah the muscle structure is and the chest structure and all the muscles.
00:51:27
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah. Okay.
00:51:40
Lee Hatfield
And if it was a man in a suit, the head and the hair wouldn't move the way it is moving. It would be completely different. And the fact that they actually, like,
00:51:52
Lee Hatfield
completely debunked the people that said it was fake by going, you know, the way that the but that the foot steps down and absolutely broke it down into like proper science. I absolutely was in awe of that that documentary because it it proved that what you're seeing is real.
00:52:14
Maxim W. Furek
Right, yeah. And I think further proof came in 1974, I think it was. a In 1972, Dr. John Napier from the Smithstonian, he was a guy from the UK, he had a chance to go and take a look at this Patterson-Gimlin film, and he thought it was fake because he thought that it cobbled together two elements, the upper body of an ape and the bottom of a a hominid.
00:52:43
Maxim W. Furek
And that was in 1972. In 1974, in the Ethiopia, they discovered Lucy Australopithecus, man's oldest ancestor. Lucy was about, I think, three and a half, four feet tall. But Lucy had arms like an ape and legs like a hominid. And when John Napier saw that, he said, wait a second, I was wrong about the Patterson-Gimlin film. I think it's accurate based on this thing. Again, here was an example of science coming full circle, of the scientific community giving us proof. you know and And again, it's it's it it's a long process finding these relics and these fossils and and everything else. But little by little, I think we're...
00:53:29
Maxim W. Furek
You know, we're trying, we're getting, we're solving the puzzle. But the Patterson-Gimlin film, only 58 seconds. You know, it was a female.
00:53:39
Maxim W. Furek
You could see the breast, you know, it just and it and it acted as all Bigfoot looks.
00:53:41
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:53:45
Maxim W. Furek
you know, they look curious and then they run away. They don't want to be with us, you know.
00:53:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:53:49
Maxim W. Furek
In every case, there's only two cases I know of that were Bigfoot was actually aggressive, know, But most of the time, they're just very reclusive. And they don't want any part of us. They just go away.
00:54:02
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and the wife and I watch quite a few of these TV shows, and we have like an in-joke where it's like, oh, there's something in the woods. Quick, turn your camera to blurry so you can't take a decent picture.
00:54:15
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah.
00:54:16
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, yeah in this day and age, yeah if it's real, you're going to have some really good evidence, but everything is grainy, blurry, and you can't tell what it is.
00:54:17
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah.
00:54:27
Maxim W. Furek
and And they keep on raising the bar. the The reason these pictures don't come out is because Bigfoot has this ability, this psychic ability, to make them blurred. you know So, I mean, we can't win.
00:54:38
Maxim W. Furek
I
Closing Thoughts and Further Engagement
00:54:38
Maxim W. Furek
mean, we can't win.
00:54:38
Lee Hatfield
No, exactly.
00:54:40
Maxim W. Furek
I'm trying to win.
00:54:40
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah. So, Max, we are unfortunately coming to an end. But before we do, out of all the books that you've written, which one is your favourite?
00:54:52
Maxim W. Furek
Yeah, I think it has to be Co-Region Hoodoo. Co-Region Hoodoo takes a look at some of the some of the supernatural paranormal things in northeastern Pennsylvania and western Pennsylvania, which are pretty significant. You know, Pennsylvania is supposed to rank number three in Bigfoot sightings after California and Washington State. So there's a lot of weirdness there. And Co-Region Hoodoo...
00:55:20
Maxim W. Furek
is my best seller gets the most reviews on amazon just has a whole lot of stuff there it's just If you're looking for a book that's representative of me and what I do, I think Co-Region Hoodoo would be the one.
00:55:33
Maxim W. Furek
so And I would hope that your listeners, if they are interested in any of my books, I have a website.
00:55:37
Lee Hatfield
life.
00:55:39
Maxim W. Furek
It's www.maximfurek.com, M-A-X-I-M-F-U-R-E-K. And if you would be so kind as to purchase a book or two, please,
00:55:51
Maxim W. Furek
leave a review on Amazon or Goodreads. That's the holy grail that us authors need. We need those reviews. I can't say it enough. so But Lee, thank you so much for for allowing me for the invite. This has been delightful, and yeah you do a great job with the interviews and with the questions. So thank you so much.
00:56:12
Lee Hatfield
And thank you for your time. It's been an absolute pleasure absolute pleasure. And hopefully when you've got some more books under your belt, we'll have you back on and we'll talk about those too.
00:56:23
Maxim W. Furek
Sounds good. Okay, very good. Okay. Thank you so much and continued success with your program.
00:56:25
Lee Hatfield
Okay. you You too, my friend. Thank you. Bye-bye for now.