Transcript
Lee Hatfield: Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of Super Paranormal Chronicles. This woman is, it's in fact, let me just explain, it's probably easier to get fog onto the podcast than what it is to get this guest.
Lee Hatfield: Irene Akelius.
Lee Hatfield: Close enough.
Irene Achelois: how about you?
Lee Hatfield: She's a gifted medium with over 20 years of experience as a scientist, bridging the gap between logic and the unseen. She's also the star of Transcribing on the Spirit Realm Network and co-host of the New Era Paranormal podcast. Irene, hi, sweetie. How are you?
Irene Achelois: good how about you
Lee Hatfield: Fine. How's your stage fright gone now? I've done that introduction. Yeah, good.
Irene Achelois: Yes, just a little bit. However, I'm still scared of you. delete. Delete.
Lee Hatfield: Wow, wow. This is how it's going to be. I've got feelings, you know. i I'm offended. i thought Where's that off button?
Irene Achelois: yes delete ne
Lee Hatfield: yet Delete. Right. so Obviously, you've got a background of being a medium and you specialize in transcribing, which we're going to come on to in a minute. But let's do that old time warp thing of going back in time. And how and when did you first realize that you'd got mediumistic skills?
Irene Achelois: I think for me, they always existed. They existed from from birth. I always just knew like things or had experiences. And we ended up doing an exercise when I was in training to kind of go back and see what our earliest memory was.
Irene Achelois: And I can remember, you know, standing, i was in, you know how you can stand in in the old cribs and you can hold the sides, right? So i was somewhere around that age and I remember seeing a young a younger male, like he was blonde, he was wearing one of those old like leather jackets with the zips.
Irene Achelois: And he had a head wound. So he had just kind of i'm like i'm guessing he was just had just been in an accident or had had an accident. And yeah, so for me, you know, that was probably my earliest experience, at least that I can remember.
Irene Achelois: I would always have. like those deja vu experiences, those dreams, like I would dream something and then I would have a conversation with someone the next day and I'd be able to finish their sentence mid conversation, having remembered the the dream the night before.
Lee Hatfield: Silver.
Irene Achelois: And, you know, you know, that, that experience of, as I got older, oh if you have people surrounding you that maybe aren't the most honest people, And you just ask questions and you just knew to ask the right questions, but you had no you would have no clue that it was like the right question to ask. And people would get mad for no like, for me, it would be for no reason. I'd have no idea why they were mad, but it was because somehow I knew to ask the right question that would that would, you know, indicate that they were not.
Irene Achelois: but They were not being totally honest. So things things like that would happen. Or I would know to do something right before my boss called, things like that. That would be like, you know, all through my life until I finally, you know, just said, okay, i I've got to go and validate these these abilities before I maybe try and do this, you know, more often. Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: So one thing that i that I like to ask all mediums that I talk to and. I can't remember the big names, but you will because you're a medium, you a lot of mediums like either hear, see, feel.
Irene Achelois: Oh yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, that kind of yeah all those clear clears.
Irene Achelois: LeClaire. Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: That's what it is. Yeah. So. How do you tend to, let' you let's use the word communicate, how do you tend to communicate with spirits?
Irene Achelois: quite Quite honestly, for me, I have no idea what they're going to do or how they're going to come through before I begin to to connect. So usually for me, the more dominant clairs have always been claircognizance, the knowing.
Irene Achelois: and clairvoyance the seeing. But I mean, sentience, clairsentience and c clear, clear audience, the feeling and the hearing have always been there too.
Irene Achelois: But I've noticed more recently, and and maybe the last six months to a year, the clairsentience, the feeling has been getting a lot more too. So we use them as as as mediums, we use them all but you know, so we have some that kind of they go up and down.
Irene Achelois: Some are more more sensitive at times and then others and
Lee Hatfield: So, yeah, and I know that you and i we've known each other for was it like 16 months now i think it was a year or so ago that you came to canada so if you see a spirit how does that spirit look to you do you see it as a as i'm seeing you now not all piculated and blurry but you know what i mean
Irene Achelois: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: or yeah Or do you see it as as a typical spirit? yeah how How do you see these spirits when when you're communicating, so to speak?
Irene Achelois: So if you've ever, have you ever seen any of those medium shows where, you know, they see the person, it's like the the actor is standing right in front of them. it's not It's not usually like that. So sometimes it has happened. So i can see people physically in front of me as if they're standing like like you're standing in front of me.
Irene Achelois: it happens it For me, it's more rare, but it has happened. I've had experiences. I've actually had you know an experience you know where I've also been touched and like like I know the person is there. I see them.
Irene Achelois: but then usually the clairvoyance is more like if somebody projected a hologram of somebody in the space right next to you.
Lee Hatfield: <unk>
Irene Achelois: And so I see a hologram of them and, and, and it's playing like right in front of me. And, and then I see you in the physical form right next to it.
Lee Hatfield: you
Irene Achelois: Like that's pretty much how it looks. It's a little bit hazy. And sometimes it's really hard to explain to people how you can see the person, but you can't quite quite see them.
Irene Achelois: So like you it's it's almost like if you wear glasses and you you know you take your glasses off so you see the person, but like their face is blurry. You can't quite make everything out on their face, and you can't quite make out certain features about them.
Irene Achelois: But you know their build and their hair.
Lee Hatfield: i Yeah, I've got it.
Irene Achelois: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: yeah so
Irene Achelois: Exactly. That's exactly what I do when they get a little blurry. Exactly.
Lee Hatfield: So you probably get you get asked to this a lot, but I know you you can have particular time when, if you're doing a reading, for example, where you open yourself up for communication,
Lee Hatfield: But do you get it happening on like a daily basis? Like if you're at work, and do you do you see it then? Or are you able to switch it on and off?
Irene Achelois: So the way I was taught, like I can't take credit for the thought but like the thought of how you know this explanation came about. So Cindy, one of my teachers, she gives the the like description, like the dial on a radio.
Irene Achelois: So if you turn it down all the way, it's still getting the information in, but you've just got it turned down. So you you can't you can't quite turn it on and off.
Irene Achelois: So it's always present. So whether if i I may not see something, like I'll tell people, I haven't leaned into this experience. So I don't see what they anybody what somebody might be you know describing in the moment.
Irene Achelois: But it doesn't mean that my body's not feeling it you know, some kind of thoughts are coming into my mind. It doesn't mean that's not happening. It doesn't mean something could be pushing into my my aura.
Irene Achelois: You know, that stuff could still be happening. We just aren't as aware, mentally aware of what's going on, you know, and once, so then once I tune in or I, you know, then at the point where you could say, turn it on, then you start to see everything that you're expected to see.
Lee Hatfield: Because I know that a few years ago there was a TV show called Ghost Whisperer.
Irene Achelois: yeah
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, it was a call. It went a bit silly towards the end, but let's not go there. But when the show was on and she was seeing spirits, they would do certain things like, know,
Irene Achelois: no
Lee Hatfield: if they had drowned, she would see running water or if they died in a fire, they would, you she would feel the heat of the flames. Do you get that kind of sensation at all?
Irene Achelois: Yeah, so I can have i can have very so very similar experiences and there are times where i I'll feel like I'm standing in a puddle of water and i'll you know I won't know why or if if there's if there's a cemetery or bodies buried underneath the surface, at it surface it actually feels like something's pooling at my feet.
Irene Achelois: the the way we work to a lot of what we do, it comes in pieces. So, and they're all, they, they're pulling information from in our brains that they know we're going to be able to piece together somehow and come up with our message.
Irene Achelois: And so for me, you know, if I feel like my feet are in a puddle water, then I know to say it's possible this person, you know, was in water at some point, or, you know, when somebody went missing, I could,
Irene Achelois: feel first my feet were in the water and then my whole body was in the water and so then I knew somebody had me had gotten submerged after so things like that will will happen or
Lee Hatfield: Thank you.
Irene Achelois: I will actually, you know, I can wake up to loud noise and and and sounds or music or something like that. and And then it goes away. And then I realize, oh, okay, that there was a message coming in.
Irene Achelois: That experience will happen. I'll think, I'll see something. Sometimes when I get those images, like if like you described, where maybe something looks like it's on fire. I don't normally like get confused like if like a building is on fire, but occasionally it can happen where I'll feel like I see something out of the corner of my eye and I see whatever's happening and then I go to look and it's not there.
Irene Achelois: So I'll have those types of experiences. So it just depends. But yeah, you can have those kind of random moments happen, those weird things you have to figure out a lot, actually.
Lee Hatfield: And on that same kind of conversation, you must obviously then get timid spirits and aggressive spirits.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, obviously, the aggressive ones are yeah probably right in your face. Or you may get one that's kind of like people around the corner because they're too shy to try to communicate.
Lee Hatfield: How do you deal with those kind of examples?
Irene Achelois: So it depends on what setting I'm in. So if I'm in a presumed haunted location, that I would look at in a different way than if I'm doing a reading.
Irene Achelois: So if i'm doing if I'm sitting and doing a reading with somebody and the person is kind of staying far back, I know from experience and and readings that there's symbolism behind that. Like they lived at a distance from you or something went on in your life where maybe you didn't have as good communication as you would have liked.
Irene Achelois: And they stay back so that I'll understand that. So that's that's one situation. I never really, in in those situations, I never really have... a feeling that like anybody is actually scared or afraid.
Irene Achelois: It's mostly if they do show that they're showing me either an experience that happened in their life or they're showing me something.
Lee Hatfield: lost
Irene Achelois: So I'll know, say, when they were alive, they were a very anxious person or a very fearful person.
Lee Hatfield: desperate
Irene Achelois: But it doesn't mean that they're fearful and and and anxious now.
Lee Hatfield: trend just expecting component can
Irene Achelois: if I'm in in in a paranormal location and I see something in certain instances, sometimes like if they run up into my face, they are trying to figure out just like anybody else, who you are, what are you doing here?
Irene Achelois: you know, why are you in my space?
Lee Hatfield: Imagine this.
Irene Achelois: They're not always, you know, it comes in as an intimidation, but it's not always, you know, an intimidation.
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Irene Achelois: It's just, they come in with a lot of energy and it kind of,
Lee Hatfield: isn' we including the book of black principles
Irene Achelois: catches you off guard.
Lee Hatfield: fire
Irene Achelois: I once had we were at the Golden Lamb here in more central Ohio south of here. And There was a we were doing an investigation and this male comes up to me, he he and he's yelling in my face right away. But that was because he just wasn't expecting us there. He didn't understand. It doesn't you know, as far as we knew, it didn't get investigated as as or hadn't been investigated for a while.
Irene Achelois: And so he finally, like when he realized he's not going to scare me, it's not going to make me leave then. and And I was there to talk and have a conversation.
Irene Achelois: You know, he went from being in my face and he went all the way to the other end of the hallway and then came back and had started having a conversation with me. And that's when we realized we found out that this was a he was a chef at the at the hotel. And he and his name and his name came through on the spirit box, which was amazing. It came through as Bill.
Irene Achelois: And so that kind of like it was the reading combined with the spirit box result. And we were able to find a photo of him in in the like in the restaurant lounge that confirmed who he was.
Irene Achelois: And so he came in like that, but he's not a dark spirit or a scary spirit. it It was just how he responded to me. And then there are spirits that make themselves look really scary, but it's just to for me, my experience has been when I've had not all of them. Could there be other situations? Of course.
Irene Achelois: But predominantly, most of the time, it's going to be a spirit that's saying, you know, I don't want you my space. I'm going to scare you away or I don't like you. you have a certain energy. You know, I'm going to give you your energy right back. Things like that.
Irene Achelois: So that's usually the case. Have there been other situations? Sure. and And could there be? Of course, there's there's reasons why we have people we have that that, you know, clear more more darker energies, darker forces. So but predominantly, that's not that's not the case, at least in my experience.
Lee Hatfield: You mentioned going to haunted locations and we're going to touch on that in a few minutes. But have you ever come across anybody that didn't or didn't know that they died?
Irene Achelois: Quite honestly, in my experience, have I heard stories of of people telling, like sharing their experiences? Yes, but not in my experience. They usually know.
Lee Hatfield: And what about the, oh my God, you can see me kind of interaction?
Irene Achelois: Sometimes that happens. I've had that happen. It's a really weird experience because, you know, for me, my my experience with spirit is they know that we're going to be there. They can know well in advance that we're going be doing something because there's this whole intricate system that they're working out in the background to get the person who's supposed to come for the reading here. And like, i we we truly believe that like they're brought to the medium that they're supposed to get the message from.
Irene Achelois: But I've had a couple situations where I feel like I'm standing in a location and a spirit will walk through. And you know how if you're standing in your home and you're walking across the hall and you notice somebody at the end and you're kind of like, poo who's that over there? Like I have had that happen a couple times. It's a little off-putting for me, but it has happened. And it's odd to me, but there's probably a reason why that happens. But yeah, I find that that that's it i find that interesting.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, you should definitely come for a ride with me in an elevator because it's like, you can see me. And it like it really freaks people out. It's fantastic. It's great. And I i live on the 13th floor, so I can do this quite often.
Lee Hatfield: But people get wise to me really quick. so
Irene Achelois: Oh my gosh.
Lee Hatfield: So you mentioned that you could
Irene Achelois: Bring your property values down every day. No, I'm just kidding.
Lee Hatfield: That's exactly what We don't want riffraff living here. say you mentioned earlier that you you picked up that you had abilities at a very early age. But at what point did you realize that you were going to do something with it?
Irene Achelois: For me, it was probably, gosh,
Irene Achelois: I could say somewhere around, there was there was a huge shift in my life around 2012 to 2014, where i kind of just said, okay, I need, like something is going on. I know I need, i like, I can't ignore these things any longer. And i feel like I'm just not doing what I'm supposed to be doing.
Irene Achelois: And then i think, like, I had, like, i I was a, you know, I was a scientist for 20 years. So i still, you know you know, you're once a scientist, always a scientist, I believe. But, like, I was a scientist for 20 years. And, like, I, and I was, you know, your normal, everyday, you know, first-generation European kid and you you go to work, you do your job, you you know you you know you you live your your normal you live your life, you have responsibilities and and you do what you're supposed to do
Irene Achelois: And so for me, I wasn't going to not do what I was supposed to do, what was expected of me. And so around that time is when I started to experience like the spiritual shift, this real this real struggle with what I'm doing, what do I want, what direction am I going in, what do I believe
Lee Hatfield: one like thirteen
Lee Hatfield: this
Irene Achelois: And, and you know, I grew up very faithful in a very strict Orthodox Christian household, and I still have a very strong faith.
Lee Hatfield: sixty something
Irene Achelois: And so it took me a while to kind of come around. So from then till about like, you know, then was slowly kind of learning, slowly trying to get to where.
Irene Achelois: you know i like I thought maybe the the direction I might want to go in and then COVID, around COVID is like what caused like that real shift.
Irene Achelois: And I had already but bonded and had met and, and, and made friends in the community with, with, um,
Lee Hatfield: street
Irene Achelois: mediums that i learned with and and and was where I was training with and and I like that shift made me say like this is this is like what I I feel like I need to do it forced me you know so kind of say okay however i forget I had also a like a physical like
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Irene Achelois: something physically affect me before that, which is why I had already kind of been like, like going deeper into learning like the mediumship and all of that, where, like I said, I was going to keep working for, I was not going to stop being a responsible, you know, adult in my mind.
Lee Hatfield: pa that he's going this better be interesting around essentially etc consistent so days back you <unk>
Irene Achelois: Right.
Lee Hatfield: back time get things done
Irene Achelois: And i didn't want to be different from people. And I ended up getting an injury that where I, I had gotten hurt. It was something totally random, something people really can't explain.
Lee Hatfield: attempt to
Irene Achelois: There's no, i still don't have like a, like a legitimate like answer for what happened, but I wasn't able to use my arms.
Lee Hatfield: dignity
Lee Hatfield: a bit like a sna
Irene Achelois: I was in like a tremendous amount of pain that I couldn't, I couldn't even like, I could barely lift a spoon to feed myself.
Lee Hatfield: a lot to little books and paints
Lee Hatfield: now but it go this kitchen
Irene Achelois: And so it forced me to have to stop everything
Lee Hatfield: is all that books sition
Irene Achelois: change what changed what i was doing and it and and it forced me to you know realize things and trust in others and and all of that stuff it it forced those kinds of lessons upon me and so i ended up uh shifting in first in that major shift and then going deeper into that kind of mediumship side of myself and changing starting to shift my life and trying to find my path
Lee Hatfield: is what
Lee Hatfield: join us
Lee Hatfield: with some good
Irene Achelois: And then again, then then COVID came and then I healed, of course, and then I still have issues, but I'm predominantly like about 98 percent, like fully functioning.
Lee Hatfield: we might want to share that
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Lee Hatfield: that
Irene Achelois: But i and then then COVID hit and I'm like, no, like I really have to do this. So I started doing it, but I was never going to go public. Like I was never going to be a medium that, you know, would be on a show or, you know, do documentaries with people. And then Danica came along and that was it. Like she pushed me.
Irene Achelois: She's like, no, you're doing this.
Lee Hatfield: It's her fault. It's her fault.
Irene Achelois: Yeah. Yeah. You should be just basically pushed me off. You know, that she's that that little kid that when you're standing on the deep end of the pool, walks by and just pushes you and you go in and then again.
Lee Hatfield: I can imagine her doing that. Yes. Yes, definitely.
Irene Achelois: Totally. I can see it as a kid and as an adult.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, I can.
Irene Achelois: So she, she basically kind of gave me that push.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Irene Achelois: And that's when I actually started doing things publicly and doing readings publicly with there's locations out here that I work with, illuminate light emporium. And I'll soon be working with some, some new ones and, and then doing all the paranormal stuff.
Irene Achelois: So yeah. Oh, and the Franklin castle. Now we're working with some different places.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. So I've known you long enough now to know that, number one, you've never been a responsible adult. So I'm like, no, let's just get... Oh, okay, okay. Let's not tell anybody. Right, okay.
Lee Hatfield: And number two, I could definitely see Danica, like, if there's a line of people at the pool, she'll do a little, like, synchronized swimming and push every single one of them into the pool.
Irene Achelois: It's so true.
Lee Hatfield: So... The fact that you've got the orthodox background, the fact that you as a scientist, the fact that you realized that you'd got abilities, was there a time when you had kind of like an internal battle? Because scientists kind of say one thing, the spiritualist part of you is saying something different, and then your orthodox religion is saying something different different from the other two.
Lee Hatfield: So how did you resolve that battle properly?
Irene Achelois: Thank you.
Irene Achelois: I don't think that battle is ever going to be totally resolved because I'll still question things, which is good. Like, I don't want to just believe everything like that, that I see or believe everything that I, I'm, you know, I hear.
Irene Achelois: So, me, I want to have the scientist that says, Hey, wait a minute, you know, what's going on? You know, is there anything else happening? And the person of faith that says, you know, quite honestly, you know,
Irene Achelois: okay What are you believing? Are you kind of staying on track? are you are are you Are you kind of veering off onto the wrong path? It kind of keeps me more stable. And I feel like if I didn't have that strong faith side to myself, I would not be able to connect like I connect.
Irene Achelois: Because I have a strong belief, again, like like I say at the end of the show, like there's something greater than myself. I say God. I have a strong belief and I know that God exists. And for me, that's what pushes me to kind of keep going. And and quite honestly,
Irene Achelois: people believe in like People believe in things they don't see in science and in their and and in religion. and you know why does it stop when somebody can can see something and and can give you like the like evidence and that that what they're seeing is real?
Irene Achelois: That's why the evidential side of mediumship is was my favorite because I can bring something forward that like I could never know in in a million years. Right. So that for me is most important. So the wind blows, we don't see the wind, but we feel it. We know it's there.
Irene Achelois: You know, with people the and people who have have religion and faith, does you know, they so they believe in God. They know God's there. They know from experiences, from from from their own their own prayers and and their own belief systems.
Lee Hatfield: so
Irene Achelois: So why can't this also exist?
Lee Hatfield: double get rid what
Irene Achelois: So for me, I feel like there's more overlap. amongst the the three, then there is difference. It's just people refuse to see it because it's too scary.
Irene Achelois: It's, you it can't, it's not, it can't be explained yet.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Irene Achelois: And so it scares people, but science, science is going deeper and deeper into that side of things and starting to realize more and more, you know, with like studies using fMRI. And, uh, I just saw on, uh,
Irene Achelois: I forget, think it was the Cleveland Clinic's site. like Like they are, they they bring well, they've had this for a while though, Reiki practitioners. in because they are looking at whole mind and body. And so and on their website, they actually talk about it.
Irene Achelois: And scientists have actually looked into what they call the biofield, which is what we describe and on this side of things as the aura. So like there's, and we have an entire biofield around the earth. We kind of call it the magnetic field. So how can these things all exist but not exist around us?
Irene Achelois: It's just crazy. Sorry, I just, I went off on a tangent.
Lee Hatfield: I was going to say, look at you being all intellectual.
Irene Achelois: This whole show is going to be me talking and you just listening, okay?
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Irene Achelois: This is what's going to happen. Okay.
Lee Hatfield: I am so not used to you being intellectual. it' still This is just not you at all. So don't don't spit your drink out. Don't do it. So, okay, wow. Right.
Lee Hatfield: So let's kind of, like, make it a little bit more light now because, like,
Irene Achelois: I have many layers, Lee, many layers.
Lee Hatfield: It's yeah, i'm I'm kind of getting that and it's like, oh, do you use in big words? so i don't understand. Stop it on a Friday evening. So when you went to your.
Irene Achelois: Good thing I had my nap.
Lee Hatfield: Oh, that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Irene Achelois: My nap.
Lee Hatfield: You you old folk need an afternoon nap, don't you? So when you went to your first alleged haunted location, can you remember your very first one?
Lee Hatfield: Because you've been to absolutely bucket loads.
Irene Achelois: You know, i can't, I cannot tell you because quite honestly, I think my first haunted location was something, you know, when I was young, like a teenager.
Lee Hatfield: No.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: OK, officially.
Irene Achelois: oh officially, gosh, oh my gosh.
Irene Achelois: I don't, I can't even, yeah, I can't even think of where I went first.
Lee Hatfield: See, and I knew I'd catch you out with something.
Lee Hatfield: Such a long time ago.
Irene Achelois: matt it I think, no. I don't think that was the first one, but that was probably one of the first ones was like Madison Seminary here in Northeast Ohio, but that that was not the first one.
Irene Achelois: I can't think of it.
Lee Hatfield: I knew I'd win. I knew I'd win this argument.
Irene Achelois: You win.
Irene Achelois: I cannot think of what my first okay was.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. so Let's kind of like flip that question then. Tell me about one of your favorite locations.
Irene Achelois: Oh man.
Lee Hatfield: If you stay quiet now, I'm just going to drive down there and give you
Irene Achelois: There are so many different choices.
Lee Hatfield: most active, most most scary. Yeah, let's...
Irene Achelois: I don't think I've had, okay. Okay, no, there has there have there has been one place that's scared me, but it's not a publicly known location. This was actually somebody's residence.
Lee Hatfield: Health care.
Irene Achelois: where it's probably, it's one of maybe two times where I've truly believed something much darker was present in the home. Like it had all the telltale signs of, you know like like so some kind of like dark demonic presence, you know, all the way to the point where the family was actually all sleeping together, excuse me, sleeping together in one room of the house.
Irene Achelois: Like it had gotten to that level.
Lee Hatfield: That's cool.
Irene Achelois: And, you know, and when I got in there, you know, a i you know, I saw, i saw like things that were different.
Irene Achelois: So it's not like, because I can see a lot of different things. And so for me, It's not so much what I see, it's the feeling I get and what I know about what I'm seeing.
Irene Achelois: And so I think that was my scariest and probably my the only one that's really, truly scared me in that way. i think places scare me you know, like as a normal, like just like, not normal, I can't say normal, but as a human being, you know?
Lee Hatfield: that because you're not normal.
Irene Achelois: and So I think places scare me like when you go into a dark place and, you know, it's you have you you can't see and you're and you have no idea who's going to come out of what doorway or anything. So I think that kind of scary happens to me regularly, but being scared of the space and the spirits.
Irene Achelois: That's probably the the scariest one I've i've experienced. And then the the kind of, oh gosh, the fun one, the ones that have been the most fun are the ones where I actually get to have not only, you know, experiences with my abilities, but to have the ability kind of like overlap with the experience.
Lee Hatfield: your ten years these putting that
Irene Achelois: So it's just kind of like, I can just quickly, if you let me name like just a few, I always give this story, Madison Seminary, where we heard my voice playing back as if it were on a recorder in a stairwell and everybody in the group heard it just after I did a session in the dining area.
Lee Hatfield: just
Lee Hatfield: approve like
Lee Hatfield: a hundred video about but
Irene Achelois: And nobody was playing my voice back on a recorder. And so that was like a great experience. A lot of the little things happen in that location.
Irene Achelois: And then we were at Palmer House in in the Minnesota.
Lee Hatfield: <unk> that dinner on
Irene Achelois: And I had my sweater, my sweatshirt pulled.
Lee Hatfield: sure that she divides her
Irene Achelois: And, you know, and I know my sweatshirt was pulled like that. That's how physical it was. and So that experience was, was fun for me.
Lee Hatfield: producing bless
Irene Achelois: And then the other one would be, we were at the Lemp Mansion.
Irene Achelois: shoot, that's, is that Kansas or i think that's Kansas.
Lee Hatfield: that he was on hi
Irene Achelois: so, but the Lemp Mansion, we had, i had a full body,
Irene Achelois: like, uh,
Irene Achelois: image on my thermal camera. So the the person gets up from the piano, runs across when we're coming into the room into a closed doorway. And so when we do our like introduction to paranormal investigation, that's one of my favorite videos to play because like that was just one of the greatest experiences, you know, because I saw it happening on the thermal and I could see nothing happening behind it.
Irene Achelois: So for me, and and you know, those experiences were, you know, like I guess the most exciting that I could think of offhand.
Lee Hatfield: because it
Irene Achelois: I'm sure there's many more, but those are the ones I could think of offhand.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Irene Achelois: Of course, every experience with you.
Lee Hatfield: Because it it's quite interesting.
Lee Hatfield: I'm sorry.
Lee Hatfield: In fact, I was going to come on to that in a second, but you mentioned about yeah like scary environments. When I go to an investigation, I don't know what it is. And you'll probably be able to tell me because you're a scientist.
Lee Hatfield: I never... like having my back to a doorway, a hallway, or a window. I've got to have my back against something solid like a wall.
Lee Hatfield: And I don't know if if if that's a kind of like the fight or flight kind of kind of thing.
Irene Achelois: Yeah, it is.
Lee Hatfield: But like even i could be on the third floor of a building. It's like I'm still not going to have my back against that window. And I've always done it that way.
Irene Achelois: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: And it's sort of like, but yeah, let's talk about, yeah let's talk about the prison and let's talk about yeah how your wife nearly got you arrested at the border.
Irene Achelois: That makes sense.
Lee Hatfield: No, we don't have any weapons,
Irene Achelois: Should I tell that story? Should we tell that story?
Lee Hatfield: but let's talk about Lali Al prison first.
Irene Achelois: Oh
Lee Hatfield: So you didn't know I was going to bring that up, did you?
Irene Achelois: my gosh.
Irene Achelois: That's awesome.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, so you came down to Hawkesbury in Ontario to the Larrie L prison.
Irene Achelois: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: You came down with Danica and JD. How was that experience for you? of not Not meeting me personally, but the location itself.
Irene Achelois: But that was the best experience of the whole thing.
Lee Hatfield: Oh, thanks.
Irene Achelois: Well, all around, it was a great experience just in in you know it in the fact that you were all very you know professional, very welcoming.
Irene Achelois: and And the location is just a great location. So in that respect, that was great for that was that was great for us the, the location itself too, you know, we didn't get as much when we were there, we didn't get as much as activity as we would like, but there was a lot of spirit presence and, you know, we had, we had some sounds, we had some things happen.
Irene Achelois: and like, for me, I want to go, I want, of course, want to go back and investigate it more, see what else we can get. It feels like we didn't have enough time. You know, I just want, I like, I, it's one of the, one of the places where i wasn't okay, like I'm done and let's move on to something else. It was just like, it was a place where I'm like, no, I want keep going and see what else we could figure out.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, because one of the one of the yeah experiences for that night was when you kept repeating the question, is the third third yes three floors?
Irene Achelois: Oh, yeah.
Lee Hatfield: And I'm adamant saying, no, there's only two. There's the the ground floor and the floor. But you were adamant that there was three floors. And then i didn't tell you because I already knew the answer.
Lee Hatfield: But then after you did your walk around, I kind of clarified that situation by saying there's three guys that were buried in the courtyard.
Lee Hatfield: And that would then equate to yacht to your third level.
Irene Achelois: be the third level. I kept asking, is there a basement? Is there, oo excuse me. Sorry about that. Sorry, I have a more important phone call I need to take.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, right.
Irene Achelois: Hold on.
Lee Hatfield: Wow. I'm going to do a road trip this weekend. Yeah.
Irene Achelois: I'm so sorry. Okay. So, that was when I was in the infirmary too. And we had just had that awesome, uh, writing session where, you know, it was like an SDS writing session and, yeah.
Irene Achelois: And yeah, you told me that. And then it made total sense after, you know, cause the, third the third kept coming up and then I knew there was like another level. There was another level. And that was crazy.
Irene Achelois: That was crazy.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, and and I think then the the other part that we mentioned, which was actually a room that was locked and you could see gentleman stood looking at us that I think you said was Indigenous, if I remember correctly.
Lee Hatfield: And I said that when this door was unlocked, I actually walked in there a few months previous and got the stroke down the side of my face. So, we yeah, but with me also, with me being the inquisitive kind of person and, yeah, okay, yeah, let's let's let's be honest. Yeah, people like putting mediums to the test.
Lee Hatfield: Because so some people kind of go, well, yeah where are they getting that information on that kind of thing?
Irene Achelois: Oh, yeah.
Lee Hatfield: So having that walk around, I never really told you a lot. You were asking me questions and I just wasn't answering them because I want yeah cause i wanted you to come out with the information.
Irene Achelois: And that's fine. That's fine.
Lee Hatfield: And the fact that I knew that people were buried in the courtyard, And then we had this, like say, the sensation before where I got stroked on the on the face. And then you could just see this guy looking back at us.
Lee Hatfield: And I was trying to get as much information. But what's he doing? He's just looking at us. And it was so weird. to know that three months previous I'd have this face stroke and then you're going, oh, yeah, there's a guy there looking at us.
Lee Hatfield: So it does make me it does make me wonder if it was the same one or not, the the same person or if it was something different.
Irene Achelois: Very likely. i wouldn't be surprised. I wasn't there to see him actually do it.
Lee Hatfield: yes
Irene Achelois: So as you know, the science side of me, it's like, you know, i can't say a hundred percent, but it's very likely it was him.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. But one thing that you...
Irene Achelois: Especially if you have the same experience in that space.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, yeah. But one thing that you mentioned a few minutes ago that we're going to talk about now, and it was quite funny a few weeks ago when you asked me about it and I went, yeah, I've still got your drawings.
Irene Achelois: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: And I took pictures of your drawings that you took on that night and you didn't believe that.
Irene Achelois: Yeah, it is. There were so many. in
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. and you you didn't believe that I'd still got them. See, that's that's how much our meeting meant to me. But obviously for you, no, on to the next one.
Irene Achelois: Aw.
Lee Hatfield: You're gone.
Irene Achelois: I'll send chocolate.
Lee Hatfield: So, oh, thanks. So transcribing, how did you realize that you could transcribe and how did that kind of develop?
Irene Achelois: So, For me, you know for the first when you when you kind of go into doing like shows and things like that, people are are quick to want to identify in some way what you do and title the show.
Irene Achelois: right And so that that term came more from wanting to title the show than kind of everything that that I do and and how I work. And and people have become like transfixed with it.
Irene Achelois: but in a way it's kind of like taken on a life of its own too. It's become a new way to kind of identify the way I read. So i've we've also kind of adopted it it in that way, but it it does get a lot of, uh, you know, critical response from some people, but really, you know, I, when, when I was, really getting deeper and, and, and doing this work, I did not quite know how,
Irene Achelois: I would read, how i how how I would kind of, what would be the best method for me to bring across information to people? You know, like, could I could i do Oracle cards? Yes. And, you know, could I just read and do gallery? And of course, and I still do all of that.
Irene Achelois: I do galleries and events like that. But When I sit down with a person across from me, I notice like, you know, anyone that I've sat with, they like to see something.
Irene Achelois: You know, as humans, we we we can't we physically want to see something. And sometimes, you know, and and especially kind of in the old like Lillydale fashion where they give you you, know, or the spiritualist fashion where they give you something, right? Right.
Irene Achelois: they take the paper with them, you know? So it's theirs to keep. And some people have like written me back or have come back and seen me and say, you know, this they show me a picture, they framed the the the drawing the drawing because the reading had meant so much to them and that touches my heart.
Irene Achelois: And so it's kind of like taking on almost a life of its own in a way. But when I was really trying to figure out how...
Lee Hatfield: Bye.
Irene Achelois: I can bring that message across. One day it it was just like, take a notebook, you know, that knowing I think kind of kicked in and it, you know, I kind of go in 15 different directions all the time. And so it at first it told me bring the notebook and just let it focus you.
Irene Achelois: And so just kind of, you know, Scribble back and forth and see see if you know, and write some notes on it and and and and go from there. And then it just, I realized that the way I read, people say that I'm not completely present and I'm i'm not.
Irene Achelois: You know, i don't look at them. I like my they say my eyes change like I do things differently and it's true. Things do happen when I'm reading and so I know I go into some I call it the only way I can think of to describe it is almost like this partial kind of trance.
Irene Achelois: And and I do believe that. when the writing comes through, it's part of the knowing and whatever kind of how this trance experience happens.
Irene Achelois: And how it happens, I can't really give an explanation. i just know i can't draw for anything. And somehow, and yeah, and somehow even in all of this, like just drawing lines and the scribbling back and forth, back back and forth images come through.
Lee Hatfield: I've noticed
Lee Hatfield: OK,
Irene Achelois: And so i can't, like, I can't explain it. I just know that it happens. And so it evolved from focus yourself, use this to, oh my gosh, images are are here, are present.
Irene Achelois: And that's when I realized what what what was actually happening.
Irene Achelois: Yeah.
Irene Achelois: Oh, please. And i'll tell I'll be the first one to tell you, I'll probably get 90% wrong.
Irene Achelois: Because like just like anybody else, the pressure gets to you and I'm like, I don't know.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. sir yeah
Irene Achelois: I just give up. It's a star. i
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. And it's it's it's that same kind of concept where it's like, what do you mean she's ill? Did she not foresee it? Yeah. it's that
Irene Achelois: Right. Yeah, exactly.
Lee Hatfield: yeah
Irene Achelois: give me the lottery numbers. That's...
Lee Hatfield: yeah Yeah, exactly. And that's why you that's why you live in a tent. So...
Irene Achelois: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: so When you go to like either a public event for a haunted location or you go to a public event to do readings, do you prepare yourself differently for the two different kind of scenarios?
Lee Hatfield: Or do you just go into the same yeah the same yeah Irene and go, okay I'm ready for this. Let's do it kind of thing.
Irene Achelois: I think for me, one, I do maintain a consistent preparation. So i i that is across the board for anything I do. And that's just like and like a pre-event.
Irene Achelois: you know i do prayers and i and I prepare myself mentally and I have this little thing that I do to kind of like open myself up. then that's consistent across the board with everything.
Irene Achelois: But if I'm going to an event that's, you know, full of people, i have to, you know, do something different in terms of preparation for my, just my human mind, but you know, body, you know, and spirit so that like I can focus and I can be present, you know, and not get too distracted with people around me. And if I go to a paranormal location, I like to do, you know, what i still do prayer,
Irene Achelois: But I like to kind of just have more, more, more of that more attention to that protection in the way that nothing, you know, nothing comes home with me, nothing attaches, no nothing like that in that way.
Irene Achelois: But quite honestly, when when I walk into a space, I don't walk in with the belief that something is going to attach to me.
Lee Hatfield: Thank you.
Irene Achelois: I go in just expecting everything to be protected. And I think that's really important when you go into a location. It doesn't mean things can't happen and that I don't think that i like that i think I'm you know indestructible or in any sense. It just means that you have to go in with your mind mentally prepared that you're going to be fine.
Irene Achelois: And if something happens, you'll take care of it. Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: So you're not the kind of person to walk in and go I'm here.
Lee Hatfield: just i just have to get that that out there.
Irene Achelois: usually i'm usually the one that's wandered off and you're looking and then I pop my head in the doorway.
Lee Hatfield: Yes. i
Irene Achelois: Oh, I'm here. I'm here. Pretty much.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, oh always at the back of the class. It's all like, where is she? Where is she?
Irene Achelois: Yeah, that's...
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. So I know we've talked we've spoken, talking, that's a proper word. We've spoken a lot about yeah how you got your abilities and yeah how you nurtured them. So and I know that we've had this conversation, but if somebody thinks or senses that they have an ability, but they're not sure how to nurture it.
Irene Achelois: Okay.
Lee Hatfield: to viant dawika the oh How do you or what can you say to that person to encourage them to go down the right path?
Irene Achelois: for me, they have to be ready. You have to be ready to do it and choose to do it because it's about trusting what comes through. So the first thing that I do when, if I'm in a location with somebody that has abilities,
Irene Achelois: and they they are like kind of opening themselves up, even if it's just a little bit, I do everything I can to find a way to, you know, honestly, of course, right? Not to kind of blow smoke, but to validate their experiences, whether it's something I also am experiencing or I see, or to bring them the information that shows them that they were right, right?
Irene Achelois: So, am I boring you? do you need some caffeine? you need some...
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, yeah, you are. i I was about to fall asleep.
Lee Hatfield: you're so You're so mean to me, you are. us Your wife's much nicer.
Irene Achelois: The meanness is mutual.
Lee Hatfield: Your wife's much nicer.
Irene Achelois: It's our language of love.
Lee Hatfield: All right, OK. So who please carry on.
Irene Achelois: I forgot what I saying. It's gone.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, some drivel.
Irene Achelois: No, I'm just kidding. no No. Some stump something.
Lee Hatfield: but yeah yeah
Irene Achelois: Doesn't matter.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Irene Achelois: So the first the first thing I try to do is validate. That's one of probably the most important things I think. It's really important because it gets them to stop and and and and take you know take inventory and say, oh, you know what? I did.
Irene Achelois: I did get that right. i like and And it makes them think, okay, maybe I can do this again. Maybe I can try. the thing that I say most is practice doing it. Like those cards, yes, you bring them up and I laugh, but you do that, you're opening yourself up to be open.
Irene Achelois: You're opening yourself up to be open. like here open yourself up to you
Lee Hatfield: That's really good English, Irene.
Irene Achelois: you
Irene Achelois: yeah here You're opening yourself up to to allow for that trust and spirit to kind of come through and guide you.
Irene Achelois: that Doing those practices, as as I was taught, in the same way. i can't i don't This is not you know Irene's vast knowledge. This is being taught to me from from amazing people.
Irene Achelois: mediums that like I look at every day who the people who taught me and I still look at them and go, Oh my gosh, you're so amazing. If I can only live up to your ability. Right.
Irene Achelois: and so they, what they showed me is that also you have to do these practices, do practice, open yourself up in that way so that you start to begin to trust a little more. And that's how you're able to tell the difference.
Irene Achelois: between is this my imagination is this something i'm feeling or is this something coming from from somewhere else and it just helps you kind of figure it out and start to trust spirit more and yourself more You know, I think that's the probably the the biggest part of it.
Irene Achelois: And I always recommend the exercises, all the the all the mediumship exercises that are out there for people to practice. Because the more, again, the more, that's how I like practiced and learned.
Irene Achelois: The more you practice, the more you you you show that trust that it's going to come through. The more you learn to do it.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, because I know that you've suggested a couple of books and I've actually read them and found them quite intriguing. But is that the same kind of principle for... Because you've kind of got two people. You've got the people that are experiencing stuff, but they're not quite sure how to handle it.
Lee Hatfield: But then when you read in some of the books, they say that everybody... can be a medium if they're taught the correct way.
Lee Hatfield: So for somebody that, as far as they're aware, has no abilities, then that must be quite difficult for that individual because they don't know where to start.
Irene Achelois: Yeah. So it is, you're right. It's a common, it's a common understanding belief in the mediumship community. Everybody has these abilities and we do.
Irene Achelois: You brought it up before. You don't put your back to a window or to a door. And you asked me, is that fight or flight? That's knowing your body knows to protect itself.
Irene Achelois: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: you
Irene Achelois: And where does that come from? We don't technically, we know how it works. We know why it happens. We, you know, in the physical sense, but where, like, where does that come from? How do we just know to do this particular thing when our hormones are flowing through our body and telling us what to do and our nervous system shuts down in certain places and turns back on or turns on in other places?
Irene Achelois: Like that's your body knowing to do something in a way that you can't, Your brain can't wrap itself around except to explain how it happens. And so for a person that doesn't think they have the ability, I tell them, you know, when when you walk into a place and you meet a person and you're like, oh, this person, I don't get a good vibe from them. I don't feel like this is the a... you Yeah, exactly.
Irene Achelois: I don't feel like this is like decent human being or I don't feel like I could trust this person. you're you're using you're ability You're using intuition. You're using Claire's. Now, can everybody go to that level, like the level like that I read at?
Irene Achelois: Do I think it's entirely possible that somebody who feels like they have no ability and then suddenly they start trying to kind of like open themselves out and figure out what's going on can suddenly be able to read? Yes, I do believe that can happen and I've seen it happen.
Irene Achelois: But some people only open up a little bit. Some people open up a ton. It just depends on the person and what they're how they're willing to have this experience and what how they're willing to open themselves up.
Irene Achelois: for them For the people that feel like they have nothing and where do they even start, again, the first thing is educate yourself on what it is. Find the, find out, okay, like you know now, the Claire's.
Irene Achelois: Okay, I know what the Claire's What do the Claire's mean? How do I understand the Claire's in relation to me? Educate yourself first, understand the information, and then you can then build from there.
Lee Hatfield: yeah because it's interesting that we spoke about the fight or flight because spending 25 years in the emergency services, I've never... Okay, I had one guy running towards me with a machete, but that's not fight or flight. That's just like, get the hell out of it.
Lee Hatfield: But I've never really had...
Irene Achelois: It's wonderful.
Lee Hatfield: yeah I've never really been in that position where I've had to fight or flight. But it does bring back a memory of when I was like five. I'd been to the beenn to the corner store, turned around a corner, and this old guy basically fell off his bike and cut his face open.
Lee Hatfield: I was five years old. i was the only one around or yeah five or six. And I really remember that I had that fight or flight because I turned to run in the opposite direction.
Lee Hatfield: But then my mind kind of went, no, you have to help him. So I helped him be at picket and he was bleeding. But that's the only time that I really had that fight or flight experience. And i can i couldn't hear I'm now bit older than you, but I can remember it like it was yesterday.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, yeah I got grey hair, you dye yours. Let's just get there.
Irene Achelois: Oh, yeah, I dye my eyes.
Lee Hatfield: yeah yeah Yeah, so it's it's weird how, like say, yeah being in the emergency services, you think you would kind of have that feeling more often, but it never really occurred because you you you get trained and you know what to expect and you know worst case scenario.
Irene Achelois: Right. You have the education behind it.
Lee Hatfield: Yes, I am educated. Thank you for noticing.
Irene Achelois: enough enough but But having that knowledge helps you understand and control your experience more in the same way as having the knowledge and in terms of mediumship helps you control and understand the experience more.
Irene Achelois: And learning from others, like if you can find a trusted person that's that's going to you know authentically guide you and teach you, that's really important. you know And you'll you know it's and the person who's teacher each for each teacher is different. And so people are drawn to certain teachers and that's that's fine. That helps them.
Lee Hatfield: I do, but she lives in in the US.
Irene Achelois: I'm always here.
Lee Hatfield: i know I know that, and I appreciate that. So, unfortunately, we're coming to the end, even though we nearly forgot about tonight, but let's not even mention that to anybody.
Lee Hatfield: Keep it between me and you, okay? What's next on the agenda? what What you got coming up that you're excited for?
Irene Achelois: Oh my gosh. I should have had that little paper that Danica wrote out for me. Do I have it over here? do not have it over here
Lee Hatfield: she She's dying in the corner. You leave her alone.
Irene Achelois: here. I have an event called Dying with the Dead, but that's not till the fall. I have...
Lee Hatfield: but you dig You dig a corpse up and like...
Irene Achelois: a
Lee Hatfield: told so
Irene Achelois: so basically go to uh like haunted locations and they have like a dinner and then i do a gallery reading so i have that coming up yeah right
Lee Hatfield: oh it's not It's not like you've got a corpse next door to you and fingers are falling off and the jaw drops into the plate. Yes.
Irene Achelois: it's like beetle juice and so it's a great experience everybody come join
Lee Hatfield: yes
Irene Achelois: And so then I have the Underworld Culture Convention that's in Scranton, Pennsylvania. I have Parajam and in August. Hold on.
Irene Achelois: I got a text message from the boss. Give me one second.
Lee Hatfield: Oh, so she sat on the sofa. She just messaged you what you're, what you're wow.
Irene Achelois: So I do have, I have Parajam coming up in August in Gettysburg. I'll be doing a gallery reading there. I have Creep It Real where in the, at the Doss House in Pennsylvania. It's, i can't I can't remember if the prison is Edinburgh.
Irene Achelois: Or if the DOS, I cannot remember the name of the town. I think it's Ebensburg, Ebensburg. And then I'll be doing a charity gallery event. So please come out. It's to support Santiago Cirillo's Haya Foundation and then other other charities that Creeper Real works with.
Irene Achelois: And it's just a donation of $10 and you get you get to experience a gallery reading. And that will happen in June. And I'll also be doing, they're they're having this kind of special event, like this table tipping event.
Lee Hatfield: Okay.
Irene Achelois: And then I'll be doing readings while that table tipping event at the same time as that's happening. And then we're gonna be doing an evening gallery event and then investigation of the prison.
Lee Hatfield: <unk> increase an i machine after an night injectction of
Irene Achelois: old Old Stone Gel. i do medium Mondays at the Franklin Castle.
Lee Hatfield: either again actually
Irene Achelois: So those have become now more of a regular event.
Lee Hatfield: correct
Irene Achelois: So kind of keep an eye out for that.
Lee Hatfield: special typical the vision one but with iser day
Irene Achelois: It's not every Monday, but it is it's one or two Mondays a month.
Lee Hatfield: stuff on there by have their software recording get nine one hundred by was this seven dollars cru ship hidinging name I why I did that first.
Irene Achelois: And I do an intimate gallery event. And then we do either like some kind of specialty thing post to the event, whether it be like a guided tour or something like that.
Lee Hatfield: no office visits no phone calls none
Irene Achelois: uh i'll be at uh the team weird takeover in june in baltimore at the i think it's called the old baltimore hotel with the witching hours which is one of the other shows on the spirit realm network you can catch me every tuesday at 8 p.m on the spirit realm network uh you can chat with us live or also on the facebook page
Lee Hatfield: by thank back professional one month three days budget so they can ship it the fruit so i'm paying up and then seven dollars on a whole thing willtate the i been like very proud on news to get really by confidence and it will even finished all white these stop
Irene Achelois: and reach out.
Lee Hatfield: tell this one under mill gra five
Irene Achelois: I do what else? That's every Tuesday at 8 p.m. And then I have the New Era Paranormal podcast that you've been on, you know, and that airs at Sunday nights at 9 p.m.
Lee Hatfield: little bit we have. understand
Irene Achelois: I know I'm forgetting something in there. So, oh, and, you know, I have small events that I do in this area and the Cleveland area coming up with Illuminate and the Light Emporium. Danica and I do Introduction to Paranormal Investigation.
Irene Achelois: We just did one at the at Illuminate, but in Concord, Ohio, but the Light Emporium in Ashtabula, Ohio.
Lee Hatfield: stuff build homeport sco
Irene Achelois: is having one with us at the end of May.
Lee Hatfield: simply
Irene Achelois: And we what we do is we do an introductory class, and then we go and we investigate locations, as short investigations to practice the skills and use that use the equipment.
Lee Hatfield: <unk> one system for attempt was good were in
Irene Achelois: So we'll be out that way May 30th.
Lee Hatfield: serve
Irene Achelois: the light emporium uh illuminate has many upcoming events that i'll be reading at i'll be doing uh some other events in the area that i can't think of at the moment hold on the boss is sending me sending me something but uh
Lee Hatfield: for multiple trans center
Lee Hatfield: possibly say gentle and absorbed but early I was going to say another text message for for the update.
Irene Achelois: but Oh, and the Remnants Project with NEPI, New Era Paranormal Investigators, which is we also where I do also the podcast with them.
Irene Achelois: he We're doing something called the Remnants Project where we're traveling from different to different locations. I don't know those locations ahead of time. They have been...
Lee Hatfield: three ninety nine
Irene Achelois: meeting and talking about those locations and they uh it's it's connected with the underground railroad so that'll be a documentary series that's coming out i know he has he's trying he's finished up or he's been finishing up the investigation that we all did together so i know he's he was talking about that
Lee Hatfield: Oh, cool.
Irene Achelois: I think that's everything. like Oh, and JD will be doing a workshop. We won't, we won't, we will unfortunately not be there. We would love to be there, but we couldn't make it work in terms of our schedule.
Irene Achelois: But he's doing mini workshops at Pennhurst, the Paracon coming up this weekend.
Lee Hatfield: wow. Cool.
Irene Achelois: And so if you have anybody wants to go out and catch him out there, you know, we We, you know, everybody has had their crazy experiences in the paranormal field.
Irene Achelois: But if you don't mind me kind of pointing out your team, the Creep It Real team, you know, Unique Paranormal 1.5, Black Lantern that does the Parajam in Gettysburg, like we've worked with, you know,
Irene Achelois: as much as there can be all the paradrama in the world, right? We have worked with some great people that we are very grateful for. Your team as especially is, you know, as much as as ridiculous as we can be, right?
Irene Achelois: You know, professional and respectful and, you know, You know, tolerant of my craziness, but wonderful to work with and and good people. And so I just want to point out those groups as well, because in our experiences in this world, you know, in the little time that we've been here, they they have been a a great, great, they've they've been great people that to to be surround ourselves with.
Irene Achelois: And other people that we've worked with that that have been great that, you know, that I would love to name. But i'd I'd be here for like, you know, 20 more minutes. However, you know, I'm just going to tell you, your grandmother came in at the end.
Irene Achelois: and don't know if she came in during your your reading that we did that one time. But she came in to say hello to you. And I just have to tell you, she says hi. So it feels like it's your grandmother on your father's side.
Irene Achelois: so So she's, yeah, she came through and she wants to say hello.
Lee Hatfield: Interesting.
Irene Achelois: you look very, you look a lot like her. So it's this part of your face. It's that kind of.
Lee Hatfield: to I think don't think she had a much touch. I'm pretty sure.
Irene Achelois: But you look a lot like her and your sense of humor is very similar to hers. You have that same look on your face.
Lee Hatfield: but Right now? Yeah, probably. But no, thank you. i Yeah, I wasn't expecting that. But and I know that we have we've done this kind of thing before. So thank you for your kind words at the end, even though I know i know we're the best ones in Canada, right?
Lee Hatfield: because
Irene Achelois: You were the best ones, period. How's that sound?
Lee Hatfield: its put because we're yeah Because we're probably the only ones in Canada that, you know. Irene, it's been an absolute pleasure. I know it's taken some time to finally get you tied down, excuse the pun.
Lee Hatfield: But I know that we're going to stay in touch for many, many, many years to come.
Irene Achelois: Yes.
Lee Hatfield: But for now, thank you, my darling. You've been an absolute pleasure.
Irene Achelois: Thank you.
Lee Hatfield: Can't wait to speak to you again. Take care. Bye-bye.
Irene Achelois: you too. Bye-bye. bute-bye
