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S2 E24 Chris Fleming Paranormal Investigator, Artist and Spiritual Counselor
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Tonight I am delighted to have with me, Chris Fleming.
Chris is an internationally recognized paranormal investigator, spiritualist, medium, artist and speaker with over five decades of first-hand encounters with the supernatural and the spiritual realms.
We started off talking about the right way to get guests on a podcast, and Chris's 18 month battle with Cancer.
We spoke about his early experiences of seeing ghosts and spirits and the precognitive dream that he had about his sister drowning.
We discussed his many TV appearances from Psychic Kids, Help my House is Haunted to Haunted Scotland
Chris and i finished off by talking about the release of his first music album, and other future projects
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction to Chris Fleming and His Paranormal Journey
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SIPA Paranormal Chronicles. too like Tonight I am delighted to have this guest with me, Chris Fleming. Chris is an internationally recognized paranormal investigator, spiritualist, medium, artist and speaker with over five decades of first-hand encounters with the supernatural and the spiritual realms. Chris, I really do appreciate you coming on my show my friend.
The Importance of a Professional One Sheet
00:00:39
Lee Hatfield
Thank you for being here.
00:00:41
Chris
Thanks, Lee. I appreciate you having me.
00:00:44
Lee Hatfield
And i let's tell people, because you did something on your social media a few weeks ago that I can imagine before you did that, it was quite annoying to get numerous requests that people don't give you the information.
00:01:00
Lee Hatfield
So I took the time to do what you asked, and here you are.
00:01:00
Chris
Right.
00:01:04
Chris
Yeah, I know. And I appreciate that. my My respect goes to you to doing so. I mean, I think the biggest thing is I've been doing radio since the 90s. When I published my magazine, on Unknown Magazine, I got asked to do a lot of radio shows annually in like 97, 98, 99, especially during Halloween.
00:01:24
Chris
There was a press wire company that would put me through Associated Press.
00:01:24
Lee Hatfield
Wow. Wow.
00:01:29
Chris
we would pick a topic and then that topic would be discussed and I'd do anywhere from a hundred shows In October, I mean, it's no exaggeration. I would have, you know, 10 a day and we would just keep doing them every single day throughout October.
00:01:44
Chris
And it was it was fun. I learned a lot. and And to be able to do that before I started doing that, I realized if I'm going to speak, then there's things I need to know. So I looked online because at the time we did have the Internet back then. It was very slow. it was dial up.
00:02:00
Chris
But, you know, I did some research back then and I got some books and I learned a little bit about how to speak when you're on the radio. And adopted those early principles. And, you know, it's it's a thing in motion today. Today is very different than what it was in the 90s. But it helped because I was doing only radio interviews, you know, for five minutes, 10 minutes.
00:02:21
Chris
That's what it was back then. You just do 10 minutes. You come on as a guest, talk about a topic, 10, 15 minutes, maybe 15, sometimes only five or 10 and just get right to the point. and You move on. So it helped. But in getting to the point nowadays, I've over the years, I've turned down several interview requests just because going through the cancer and everything, my head's not been there. I'm very fatigued and tired. And I don't want to say I've avoided it. I've just basically postponed it. But I noticed over the last eight or so years that the podcast requests that
00:02:55
Chris
they come in differently. mean, it could be a direct message through social media, it could be an email. And I try to gear people towards, here, send me a personal email because I get a lot of direct messages that are lost because they just keep populating and pushing it down.
00:03:11
Chris
Plus, I forget if I get several requests you know within a couple weeks, I don't remember what we discussed.
00:03:14
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:03:17
Chris
But I noticed something that was consistent with probably 99%. and I'm going to say just about everybody was they had no principle or format or branding to their radio show podcast. They say, I'd like to interview on my show. Okay. What show? When is it? What, it you know, can you send me something?
00:03:40
Chris
Well, yeah, it's just, here's a link to my website or my social media. I said, okay, but I don't have time to go look at that.
00:03:45
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:03:47
Chris
Do you have a one sheet? What's a one sheet? So I noticed that i said all right, you know, I'm not gonna do any more interviews unless somebody's got a one sheet. And just the reason being is I can take a look at the one sheet, I can go with the information, I can decide whether I wanna do the show if we're on the right page and it's something wanna do.
00:04:02
Chris
But it's just a little bit more professional. And plus it shows me that the person's very serious about what they're doing. not someone that has one or two viewers or listeners, you know, or doesn't have anybody and they're just doing it for fun out of their basement.
00:04:15
Chris
It's if you're serious enough about this, sure, let's talk, you know, but I've done shows where people are startups and everything, but I try to teach them. I try to tell them, I listen, you know, I had a podcast since 2006. I've done shows.
00:04:25
Chris
If you want to grow with your show, if you're serious about doing your show, you've got to do a one sheet.
00:04:29
Lee Hatfield
Thank
00:04:32
Chris
And I what's a one sheet? So I'd send them links or talk about it and, Basically, a one sheet is it's it's about your show. What's your bio? You know, when does your show air? or How does it air? Is it live? Is it video? Is it audio? When where can people go to listen to it? How many listeners do you have?
00:04:49
Chris
You know, where are you broadcast all those types of important information? It's not my job as a guest to go research that and pursue that. It's your job as a brand to grow and promote your show.
00:05:02
Chris
Yet you're doing them one of the most essential, most important things and you're not doing it.
00:05:03
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:05:05
Chris
So why are you doing this? It's just a, it's a thing to kind of put a filtering system on what's coming in, but in the same sense to try to teach the individual that these are the things you got to do if you want to make it, if you want to grow and you want to be big with your show.
00:05:08
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:05:20
Lee Hatfield
yeah And that's one thing that I've always done. I've i've not technically had a launching.
00:05:24
Chris
I noticed you sent me one right away.
00:05:26
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Well, as soon as I saw your post, it's like, I want Chris on my show. I'm going to do exactly what he says and see what happens. And I was actually doing a podcast that night as well.
00:05:39
Lee Hatfield
So I thought, okay, yeah, I probably won't hear anything from him. It'll probably be a few days. And then a couple of hours later, and my God, Chris Fleming just messaged me. And it's like, and here you are.
00:05:49
Chris
Right.
00:05:50
Lee Hatfield
But i like say, I didn't know what a one sheet was, but now I do, and I'm going to be using it. But I always made the effort to tell people who I was where I am, I'm part of which paranormal organization, the fact I've got a podcast, and I will even mention I saw you on this episode of, for example, and then I've gone from there.
00:06:15
Lee Hatfield
yeah If you want to discuss further, this is where you can reach me. But at least I'm giving people certain amount of information to start off with, and that's the way forward, I think.
00:06:22
Chris
Yeah.
00:06:25
Chris
And just so people understand, I have a one sheet as a guest. Okay. And I've always had a one sheet as a guest. And then the last couple of years, cause I had been sick with cancer, you know, and things going on, i hadn't updated it. So I had several requests last year and I said, well, yeah, I'd like to be a guest, but I don't have my one sheet ready. Like, you know, i said, no, I'm not going to do your show until I have my one sheet and i can send it to you because I want to make sure you have up-to-date information and you're not just scraping stuff off the internet that is probably outdated. Okay. And so I didn't do any shows last year. I kept postponing them because I didn't have the one sheet done. And I got the one sheet done a couple of months ago.
00:07:03
Chris
And I said, okay, now I'm ready to do shows because I have my one sheet. And I've been speaking, if you want to say professionally on radio, talk shows, whatever, since the ninety s But still, I don't care who I am.
00:07:13
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Wow.
00:07:15
Chris
I want to have a one sheet because it needs to be updated.
00:07:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:07:18
Chris
And and I'll just say this as it's just a side note. I just did a show recently. I sent them the one sheet. They used none of the information from the one sheet.
00:07:31
Chris
All the bio information they had was from the internet that had is outdated by 15, 20 years.
00:07:38
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:07:38
Chris
And I'm just like, you've got to be kidding me.
00:07:41
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:07:42
Chris
So it's, it, it makes your job easier because then you have questions as well as you can add questions as I say the one sheet, but then you're up to date on what's going on. You don't have to ask me for stuff. I don't need to send you bio photos. I don't need to send you links. It's all there in the one sheet.
00:07:59
Chris
And that's, what's important. So, you know, I can promote as much as I want I can say it, but there's still going to be people that just don't adhere to it. And, you know, that's, that's them.
00:08:10
Chris
That's the way it is. I can't tell people how to do their show. Everybody is very unique and very creative, but this is what's used.
00:08:14
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:17
Chris
And it's, you know, it's a digital portfolio is what it is.
00:08:20
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:08:21
Chris
And I'm going to be bringing my podcast back. And in doing so, I want to record a bunch of episodes first. I find that easier, but then also I've got to create a one sheet for that.
00:08:32
Chris
And then with the one sheet, I send that to my guests so that they can see my history And my interest in them and why. And then I also propose to them a summary of what I would like to talk about, which is why I'm having them on the show, because they're known for something or they have a topic or a theme that I find very interesting.
00:08:51
Chris
And I know my listeners would like that. So I prepare myself to, I would just like to see it because
00:08:54
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:08:58
Chris
There's nothing wrong with wanting to do a podcast and doing a show, but the number one question is why are you doing it and are you serious about it? If you have these information together, it lets me know you're serious, but there are people out there that should not be doing a show.
00:09:11
Chris
And I don't mean to be disrespectful and take it away from them, but if you're not going to do it right, that makes it easier for your guests and easier for whatever listeners you have.
00:09:12
Lee Hatfield
you
00:09:23
Chris
to be updated and know where to go to find your show and, and, and more about it and more about you, then what are you doing? It's like, if you just want to talk, jump on a chat room, you know,
00:09:32
Lee Hatfield
That's it.
00:09:35
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. Exactly.
Health Challenges and Near-Death Experiences
00:09:37
Lee Hatfield
So before we go into your paranormal career, i think one of the most key questions that people want to know, how are you physically and health wise?
00:09:50
Chris
You know, it's interesting. I thought about that this morning. Well, you can look at health wise two ways. Like example, a friend of mine's oh partner, as she had just called me today because he died last year.
00:10:01
Lee Hatfield
So I'd say that.
00:10:02
Chris
And he had the same cancer as me. I played football with him in college. He was in my fraternity. and We went to the same doctor. So we chatted how we were doing. I am doing as well as I can handle.
00:10:15
Chris
But what I'm going through from the chemo, I would assume a lot of people would not be able to handle it. The neuropathy, but also like even right now, i have a raging headache right now while I'm talking to you because it has affected my ascytical nerve, my vagus nerve, and it causes pain into my brain and into my eyes.
00:10:34
Chris
So I deal with that on a daily basis.
00:10:35
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:10:37
Chris
And sometimes I don't get any sleep. Now I have apnea. what it's hard for me to breathe and I have hypoxia through the day and and I've got this oxygen right here because i have to take hits of this throughout the day because I can't breathe.
00:10:51
Chris
This has to do with not only the concussion I had in 2009, where it wasn't as noticeable, but the cytarabine, which is a very, they call it the red death. it's It's a very intense form of chemo, and it's only used when it's to try to save someone's life, which it did in my case. It it breaks the brain barrier.
00:11:09
Chris
So it damages the brain, and it's known to damage the central nervous system. So I'm dealing with this. But someone like myself that has had many sports injuries, you know, playing sports, football and other sports, I've always sucked it up and got back out there.
00:11:20
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:24
Chris
Now, this is completely different, but I look at it this way. you know, I'm greater than my physical body. My mind is, as long as I've got control of my mind, for the most part I can create. So that's what I'm doing, you know?
00:11:38
Chris
And, and that's what I'm doing. So when people say how are you doing? I said, I'm doing what I need to do every day. Some days I have to lay down. Sometimes I have to sleep 10 hours and some days I can't do much. And some days i can do a lot.
00:11:50
Chris
So I take it day by day. I get frustrated because there's so much more I want to do, but I, I'm more and more limiting myself so I can get stuff done. Like my, my focus has been music. My focus has been some, my art and I want to bring my podcast back so I can at least share what I've learned and, and continue to engage with the paranormal community.
00:12:12
Lee Hatfield
Well, I've got a background in paramedicine. I was a paramedic for 13 years, so I can kind of relate somewhat because i I've dealt with patients that have had your kind of condition.
00:12:28
Lee Hatfield
But it's good to see that you're dealing with it the best that you can and you're trying to move forward the best that you can. And that's all anybody could ask for at the end of the day.
00:12:40
Chris
Right. Yeah, no, yeah.
00:12:43
Lee Hatfield
So.
00:12:43
Chris
I had a, you know, unexpected, well, let's say unexpected is like, I had a feeling a week before something was going to happen and I almost didn't even go to my 12th bone marrow biopsy on March 25th.
00:12:56
Chris
And even when my i got to the train station and and got into Chicago and my buddy picked me up and dropped me off at the front door at Northwestern Hospital, I got emotional and I started tearing up and crying a little bit when I walked in, I just had this bad feeling.
00:13:09
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:13:11
Chris
And, uh, I was distracted by a woman in a wheelchair and I, and I saw her like she was worried. So I went over and I comforted her. I said, what's wrong? She goes, Oh, I'm being released today. I've been here for months. I'm i'm scared to go home. Why you scared to go home? She goes, because, you know, I'm not going have the doctors around me. So was anybody watching you? She says, well, my son is. I was like, then you're going to be okay. Is your your son a good son? She was, Oh yeah, he's great. I said, then you're in good hands. Like you just got to have faith. You got to believe in your angels. And she's like, Oh, thank you. You know? And,
00:13:36
Chris
you know, I said, but I understand. I go, listen, I spent, you know, 10 months at, well, ever since I went in the hospital on my own, taking care of myself with cancer. I go, do you know what it's like to have no energy, not be able to get to just get a glass of water, but I realized I had to to do it. So I did it. So if I can do it, I know you can, because you got your son there. She's like, Oh, thank you. You know?
00:13:55
Chris
So I did that. It made me feel better and it made her feel better. And Then we had a situation during the bone marrow biopsy. I collapsed, had a vasovagal syncope. My brain and my head was depleted of oxygen and of blood.
00:14:09
Chris
And my oxygen went down to 55%.
00:14:12
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:14:13
Chris
And I thought it was 1978.
00:14:13
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:14:16
Chris
And then I was slowly starting to recover. But then I started feeling this sense of peace where I wanted to drift to sleep as if I was under anesthesia. And there was no anesthesia. I mean, they gave me shots of Lytokine in my spine for the bone marrow biopsy, but I wasn't under anything else. But I felt like I wanted to go under like that. And that's when I saw the tunnel with my dad.
00:14:37
Chris
And my relatives, they said, son, if you want to come now, you can come now. And I got emotional, like, dad, no, I mean, this is just a bone marrow biopsy. I don't want to go. And, you know, I told him no.
00:14:48
Chris
And and then I saw the angels there was other stuff that happened. and And ironically, it's in the doctor's reports. It's in two of the reports that I saw my dad, I saw angels and I told him I didn't want to go.
00:14:57
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:14:58
Chris
So it was one of those things I did not expect. But For about a month a since then, i had these major headaches and and pain and slowness and fatigue. It kind of set me back.
00:15:11
Chris
It was like getting a concussion again and having to recover from that because my brain's still been under so much stress from from this that it kind of set me back again. So it's it's frustrating.
00:15:23
Chris
So you just keep going. You're like, all right, you know, I got to narrow it down a little bit more of what I can do and can't do. And that's what I'm doing. So is was that was that your question? I don't remember what your question was.
00:15:33
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah. No, it was basically asking how you are. So yeah.
00:15:36
Chris
Oh, thank you.
00:15:36
Lee Hatfield
with good
00:15:37
Chris
Okay.
00:15:37
Lee Hatfield
you Yeah. So but like say, yeah nobody can talk to somebody like you and and not ask your heart how you are, especially what you've been
00:15:44
Chris
Well, thank you.
Childhood Paranormal Experiences and ESP
00:15:45
Lee Hatfield
through.
00:15:45
Lee Hatfield
So I thought I would yeah do the courteous s thing to speak speak about you first.
00:15:49
Chris
I appreciate it.
00:15:52
Lee Hatfield
So as I said at the start of the show, you're internationally recognized paranormal investigator and spiritual medium. So This started at a very early age for you.
00:16:04
Chris
Yeah.
00:16:06
Lee Hatfield
Can you kind of tell me how this all came about that you yeah you thought that you would, well, you probably thought you were normal, but now you know that what you know, it probably wasn't normal for a lot of people.
00:16:20
Chris
Yeah, it was, well, I mean, there was something happened when I was a year and a half old when we lived in Long Island. My dad was playing hockey for the Rangers.
00:16:39
Lee Hatfield
so
00:16:50
Chris
All I remember very briefly, real quickly is I'm in my crib and I see this bright light and I see this as like a slit of light. And so I was kind of attracted to it. And somehow, some way I'm outside the crib and I'm walking.
00:17:02
Chris
And I remember I had my diapers on, whatever. And I see the sitter sleeping on the couch and the TV was all noise. Because usually after midnight, whatever it is or whatever time it was, there was no channels back then. Everything was shut down at midnight.
00:17:17
Chris
But the door was open and the screen was there. And i was I just felt something pulling me, this light and this voice to go towards the screen. That's all I remember. And then I just remember sitting in my diapers on the beach And there's the water and I just see this light above, above the water.
00:17:36
Chris
And I'm like waving to it, like it's, it's leaving. And then some man with his dog finds me and the next day I'm home. my My mom remembers that she had this terrible feeling while they were at dinner, my dad and her, and they went out with some friends, like, I guess she, he had his hockey game or whatever.
00:17:42
Lee Hatfield
Thank
00:17:51
Chris
And she was worried, so she kept calling with the pay phones, kept calling back to the apartment. The sitter's like, no, he's fine, he's fine. And then when she called again, you know she said, Chris is missing. And so my mom and dad raced home, because my mom just had this unsettled feeling. And when they got home, the neighbor, because I was only a block and a half away that I was, we lived in a block and a half away from the the lake or whatever it was in the water in Long Island.
00:18:17
Chris
And he said he found me sitting there on the beach with his dog his dog. His dog was barking and found me.
00:18:23
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:18:24
Chris
So how I got there, you know, it doesn't make sense for, you know, one and a half years old to be able to walk a block and a half to, you know, to get there. So no idea. So that's my earliest memory.
00:18:37
Chris
I'm collaborative with what my mom had filled in the blanks. So then the yeah the other thing is when we moved, which would have been the end of 1970, we moved into a new house. in Hoffman Estates on Park Lane, and it was brand new construction.
00:18:49
Chris
But there was stuff started coming out of the walls.
00:18:50
Lee Hatfield
you.
00:18:51
Chris
And I don't remember if that happened right away or it happened in 71. I can't remember that. But I remember that I was terrified because there were soldiers coming through. They were all bloody. I saw battlefields.
00:19:03
Chris
I saw men's without arms or legs, you know, with guns and stuff. And they come out. Now it was assumed at the time that it was just nightmares and and imagination because the wallpaper was like from the revolutionary war.
00:19:16
Chris
It had the British soldiers and stuff. My mom thought that would be cool. you know like a boy likes tin soldiers and whatever.
00:19:22
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:19:22
Chris
So they had that all done up. And so they got rid of the paper, but it still happened. Yeah. And then it's shifted to just these black masses and things coming out. So I'd start sleeping in my dad's room because they would come through the walls.
00:19:37
Chris
So that was the earliest. So then i was, geez, I was about four, three and a half, four years old. and i Then I had a dream about my sister drowning and I woke up and I was in the void, which is like this dark room. And I see this event that happens and I see my sister drown and then I jump in and all goes black.
00:19:56
Chris
So that usually happens when you're in the dark room. Cause I've had that. And I, and I just had something recently regarding the dark void is you go into a place in between here and there. It's not even a sense of time, but it says this event's going to happen and it's going to be tragic if it, if it falls through, if it continues. And if not, if it can be altered and it can somehow in the timeline, then it can be preventable.
00:20:21
Chris
So, I woke up screaming. My mom comes into the room and I tell her what happens. Well, my mom grew up having dreams that would come true. Her mother had dreams that would come true. So she had this sixth sense to pay attention to what I was saying. She went checked on my sister, was only a year and a half old. And, you know, she seemed okay, came back in. Then my mom says, listen to me, I need you to tell me this dream step by step.
00:20:45
Chris
So I told the mom, my mom, step by step, the dream. And then my mom says, no, you don't jump in. And if this ever happens, you race and get helps. You scream bloody murder. You just scream, my sister's drowning, my sister's drowning and someone will come and help because you're too young to help. I said, okay.
00:21:00
Chris
So my mom told my dad, you know, because he got traded to Utah. He says, well, whatever you do when you get a place, make sure there's no pool or it's not near any water. So we got a place, an apartment, but there was a pool in the apartment complex.
00:21:13
Chris
And during the fall, so it was probably like October, whole bunch of family members were over.
00:21:14
Lee Hatfield
you.
00:21:19
Chris
And the kids were all being noisy, so they told us to go outside and play. And then this 13-year-old, she goes, is there a pool around here? I said, yeah. So we go over to the pool, and sure enough, she tells us to tap our foot on the tarp that's there. And in the middle of the tarp, it was all filled with water.
00:21:34
Chris
And so we're all tapping her shoes and everybody's like, well, Kelly's got to do it too. And my sister's only a year and a half, you know, two years old at the most. She's holding her hand and and she slips out of her hand. She slips into the tarp and slips into the water and she's floating. she had a little snowsuit on. So she's floating and luckily she wasn't face down. She was face up.
00:21:50
Chris
So I'm watching this and the girl goes and gets a skimmer just like in the dream.
00:21:50
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:21:55
Chris
And then she goes and gets the life preserver, which I, back then I called it lifesaver because had a lifesaver of candies. And as she throws the lifesaver, the life preserver, it was a trigger. and We call that in psychology.
00:22:08
Chris
I realized, oh, my God, this is exactly what happened the dream. My sister is going to drown. My mom trained me to run bloody murder. So I raced back to the apartment, which wasn't far. was just across the parking lot, screaming bloody murder. And a maintenance guy was there working on the front door. he got he says, where? I said, the pool. So he races over there.
00:22:26
Chris
And I can't get in, right? Because he has a doorbell apart, right? So I go around to where a window is. I'm screaming and screaming and screaming. And somebody hears my mom comes. She leaps over the railing, goes racing over there. As they get there, my my mom only weighed like 90 pounds back then, is they put my mom on the tarp and gently you know held hands for her to go grasp my sister. As she's getting closer to my sister, her snowsuit filled in. She goes under.
00:22:54
Chris
And my mom's like, oh, you know she grabs my sister's sister's coat under the water and pulls her right out with not a second to spare. And they checked her and she was fine. You know, she was cold. So they changed her clothes and put her in a bathtub.
00:23:09
Chris
And if I did not have that dream, if my mom did not condition me how to properly react to that situation, I would have stood there my sister would have drowned.
00:23:21
Chris
So that's obviously what we call precognitive dream, right? it's precognition of something, an event that's going to occur. Because of that, I took dreams very seriously.
00:23:33
Chris
At the same time living in this apartment, I started to get a friend. And my mom says it was a imaginary friend, but it wasn't. I remember to this day, I remember him. And even years ago, so they said his name on the spirit box and stuff. His name was Chip, right?
00:23:49
Chris
He was a kid my age. and he would appear and we'd talk and he showed me stuff and everything. and And then one day he had to leave. So I had that friend for a period of time. My mom says maybe it was about a year and a half.
00:24:01
Chris
I don't remember all the situations. I remember a few, but he was, I remember him. I remember the day he had to say goodbye. So those are the earliest. And that was, you know, obviously 68, 69, then Those were the earliest ones.
00:24:19
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, I'm at a similar age to what you are. And, know, 20, 30, 40 years ago, somebody actually came out and said, I can see spirits or, know, this kind of thing, you know, the medium that they are today, lot of the time these people would be like, okay, let's just put you into a quiet room.
00:24:44
Chris
Yeah.
00:24:45
Lee Hatfield
know, you've got something wrong with it.
00:24:45
Chris
Yeah.
00:24:46
Lee Hatfield
But it's amazing how... now yeah in this day and age, everybody's talking about ghosts and spirits. Everybody's talking about UFOs and cryptids. And there's a lot more mediums that are publicly coming out there. So at what kind of age did you kind of realize that what you were seeing was all and feeling experiencing you was actually you had mediumistic skills?
00:25:16
Chris
Well, wasn't a term that my mom used with me, but I would say probably around five years old, six years old, when some of the other ghosts started appearing in the house and we decided to get a Ouija board and start talking to them.
00:25:29
Chris
And then I would hear the voices and I would see them, but my mom wouldn't see them. My dad would, my sister would, but my mom was traveling a lot working.
00:25:36
Lee Hatfield
you
00:25:37
Chris
So my mom and I would sit there and communicate with them using the Ouija board, but there's times that I would hear them and I would say, okay, mom, they're in the room right now. They're going to make the drapes move. They're going to make the light go off and then they would do it. Right?
00:25:50
Chris
So it was just normal. And the the term medium wasn't used. When I told my mom that there was three ghosts in the room, in my dad's room, when we were sleeping, I wake up cause I hear these voices and I hear them whispering and I see two males and one female. And I've done a drawing of this I've had in my presentations.
00:26:07
Chris
And I'm like, oh my God, I'm seeing three. And they're talking because I can hear them. So I'm trying to wake my dad up. He says, just ignore them. They'll go away. So the woman starts to glide away.
00:26:16
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:26:18
Chris
She leaves the other two from the conversation. And I'm wondering in my head, I wonder if she can see me like I can see her. All of a sudden she glides and turns around and waves at me.
00:26:29
Chris
Now I'm a little kid with the sheets and I'm like, oh my God, she's waving at me because my dad's asleep and there's nobody else in the room. And she just somehow heard what I thought.
00:26:40
Chris
So i nervously waved back like, oh my God, she's interacting with me, but she's friendly. She's not attacking me, but she's just waving like, I i heard you, right? So when my mom came home, I was all excited because this was something new.
00:26:51
Chris
And when anything new supernaturally occurred, I couldn't wait to tell my mom because my mom was receptive to it.
00:26:52
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, me too.
00:26:59
Chris
So when she came home, I told her, she says, oh my God, she goes, that's ESP. go, what's ESP? She goes, that's extrasensory perception. So they were able to read your mind. So we went to the library a lot because my mom loved to read. She'd read a book at night, right?
00:27:11
Chris
I didn't like reading. i liked looking at pictures just the way it was, right?
00:27:15
Lee Hatfield
yeah me too
00:27:16
Chris
So yeah, so she took me to a section that had all ghosts and everything like that and got some books on psychic abilities and ESP. And it was it was called Thought Transferance. So what happens is I realized at a very young age is that my thoughts were transferring within the environment. She was picking it up because she's pure consciousness. So I learned at a young age, I mean, if you're saying five years old, so that was probably 1972, 73, right?
00:27:40
Chris
seventy three that I learned that spirits know what you're thinking, right? Which is a scary thought.
00:27:47
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, for sure.
00:27:48
Chris
So they learn your true intention because they know what your thoughts are. So I would then, when I would see them, I would speak to them, Without moving my lips, I'd see them in the room I'm like, okay, I can see you Do you realize that you can
Perceiving and Investigating Spirits
00:28:03
Chris
see your reflection in the mirror when you're gliding by all of a sudden the spirit would stop? It would back up. It would turn, turn to its side and then lean forward and look at itself in the mirror. And I'm watching this going, oh my God, it's it's casting a reflection. Now, back in those days, I loved the old classic monsters, Dracula, Frankenstein, everything. So vampires couldn't see the reflection.
00:28:26
Chris
So this had me completely confused because Dracula was like the undead and I'm looking at the dead, but yet they can see the reflection.
00:28:26
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:33
Chris
So how do I figure that out? That makes no sense, right? Because I thought a ghost would not be able to see the reflection, but it sees its reflection and I can see its reflection. So just as I can see myself in the mirror in the background as it's leaning forward and seeing its itself.
00:28:46
Chris
So how is that possible? I just that to me at a young age was exciting because nobody in school would talk about this. And if they they thought I was crazy,
00:28:58
Chris
So I realized, wow, this is only happening in my house. And I grew up for a long period of time until some other kids came forward thinking that it was just my house that was haunted until I started hearing about other hauntings and movies and stuff that, okay, you know, it goes on all over the world.
00:29:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So one question that I like to ask people that have similar abilities to yourself. Yeah. Some mediums can hear, some can feel, some can like see and that kind of thing. So when you see a spirit.
00:29:35
Lee Hatfield
How did it come across to you? Because I spoke to a girl a few months ago that said that she could not determine if someone one was alive or dead.
00:29:45
Lee Hatfield
It was that clear a person. So when you're seeing a spirit, how do they look when you're looking at them? Can you see through them?
00:29:56
Lee Hatfield
Are they like a hologram, and that kind of thing?
00:29:57
Chris
i've won them I've done several drawings of the things that I've seen and and I'll explain it this way. Is there's times that I will see them within our visual spectrum and other people will see them too.
00:30:11
Chris
And then there's times that I will see them in the room that other people don't. Like when my dad died in July, 2009, I went to the hospital and as we're walking down the corridor, my dad was 73 at the time. We're walking down the corridor, chaplain's in front of me and I see a man at the end of the hallway. And I'm like, who the hell is this? What is he doing staring right at us? This is kind of weird. Did did some patient get out of their room or something?
00:30:36
Chris
And I'm looking at him. And as we got closer, i mean, he was solid, like a real person. I was in awe because at first I didn't recognize him until I got closer and he looked exactly like my dad looked at 30 years old.
00:30:50
Chris
Then once, once I acknowledged and identified that's my dad when he was 30, it became transparent, just vanished.
00:30:51
Lee Hatfield
going to go ahead some more questions.
00:31:00
Chris
So, but here's the thing. Nobody else saw it. My buddy and my stepdad behind me didn't see it. The chaplain who's in front me walking down the hallway didn't see it. And I saw it, but yet he looked like a solid physical person.
00:31:13
Chris
But then there's times I've seen ghosts that are glowing or they're shadow people or they're mists and other people have seen them too in the same type of format. So they vary based on their consciousness and their manifestation. Now, when I go into some of these locations, I'm I can sense, like, for example, I can spread like a radar real quickly through the whole building. I just connect to the ether and I send out. I know consciousness is connected to everything, all particles in the universe, as a guy from Lockheed said, I can't remember his name at the moment. But you spread your thoughts out and I'm able to see if there's any movement and personalities within that location. That's called locality. Non-locality is when I'll send myself further through consciousness to other locations and try to see what's going on in that house.
00:32:06
Chris
All right. It's not remote viewing. Some people might say it's like remote viewing. All it is, is it's like no different than we're talking right now. You're in Canada. I'm here. I'm seeing you. I'm talking to you. We've established and created this form of technology within our reality, but it already exists within consciousness.
00:32:17
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:32:24
Chris
That's what I'm saying. So becoming aware of this at such a young age and shaping it and perfecting it with experiences and a lot of experiences that I didn't ask for. It's not like I went out there to train myself. It just happened over time is I can go into a place. Oh, there's a woman. i don't know she's the second or third floor. Let's go to the second floor. Nope. Third floor. She's on third floor. I'm also seeing a man back there, but he's a little bit more darker and shadowy. I'm seeing her a little bit better in her dress. So let's go towards her first. So that's what I would do when I do my walkthroughs and I go into homes.
00:32:53
Chris
I will sense first the energy, whether it's positive or negative or it's angry. And before it used to be just positive or negative and I click on the negative and I have to figure that out.
00:33:03
Chris
But with comfortability, becoming very comfortable and learning over time, I can look at the negative and say, okay, is it evil or is it just upset and frustrated? If it's upset and frustrated, why is it upset and frustrated? So I'm able to sift through that energetic field of their emotions and start to gauge what caused that because I start to get visuals behind that.
00:33:23
Chris
I start to get little movies that play behind them, right? Then I better and i better understand the ghost. Now today, you don't see much of that with the paranormal investigators. They just go in, oh there's a ghost here. Are you man or a woman? Oh, it says it's a man. And that's it. they they just get They establish that there's something there and they don't go deeper than that. Some mediums have that ability to do it and some don't. Some might say they're doing it and they're not doing it. Some are doing it and they're legit. So you can go any way you want with that.
00:33:52
Chris
But the fact is, is that there will be different visuals of what I see. Sometimes I won't see anything. I just see this form and I can tell whether it's man or woman, but it's not showing me any other features. So it varies with the type of spirit in the location.
00:34:09
Lee Hatfield
Because I was working with a medium from Cleveland. She came up to Canada just over 12 months ago and we went to a jail.
00:34:19
Lee Hatfield
And when she did her walk around, she kept telling me there's three floors, three levels to this prison. I went, no, there's two, there's two, there's i know yeah But I knew the backstory.
00:34:29
Chris
There used to be three levels. Yeah.
00:34:33
Lee Hatfield
And she's got I'm going, no, there's only two. She went, no, there's three levels. And it wasn't until we finished, and it was in winter, so there was a lot of snow around. I said, we went into the courtyard and you couldn't go in the courtyard completely because of all the snow, went, did you pick up on anything? She said, why? said, there's three inmates that are actually buried in the courtyard. And she just points at me and went, I told you there was three levels.
00:35:01
Lee Hatfield
Because she was picking up on the separate level of where the person the people were buried.
00:35:04
Chris
oh oh you're okay so you guys were talking about the buried i didn't hear that part i thought you're just going in to see the different levels of the building okay
00:35:07
Lee Hatfield
So,
00:35:10
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah. Yeah, yeah. So i I knew that there was people buried in the courtyard, but she didn't, but she could sense that third level of where that's...
00:35:19
Chris
got it got it oh god yeah we did when we did uh help my house is haunted the first season and we went to the cage
00:35:20
Lee Hatfield
So do you get that kind of sense as well?
00:35:31
Chris
Okay. And that was like, witches were hung there or something. i forget the whole story, but, uh, when I did my walkthrough, i was seeing children, like a woman that was killing children, sacrificing them and doing stuff like that. And I don't know how much of that they used in the episode or not. I don't remember, but then I was telling her, I'm seeing her cooking these children and doing stuff. these's And she's doing some type of rituals with the bones and stuff. and I'm like, this is crazy.
00:35:55
Chris
And then I got stabbed in the back of the head and I felt it was, to it it was crazy. I keep saying crazy. Now we're talking about words you say, right. Is, I get neurotic pain regardless in my neck occasionally, but this was different.
00:36:08
Lee Hatfield
Well.
00:36:10
Chris
I felt like someone took a spike, went right through my head and it went through my eye and came out. Not only did I feel the pain within that second, but I also felt as if something was sticking out and then it was gone. And I'm like, Whoa. And I'm like, this, this woman just tried to stab me, kill me. Right.
00:36:32
Chris
So then I started going, trying to figure out more about her. i said, you know what?
00:36:35
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:36:35
Chris
I see another level to this building. There's something underground or this was built on top of something. And whatever's under the ground has to do with her, whether it's an altar or some type of sacrificial basement that she had. And Barry's like, Chris, I've been here several times. There is no basement. There is. I go, Barry, i don't, it doesn't matter how many times you've been here, Barry. I'm telling you there is. He says,
00:37:00
Chris
sorry, dude, i you know, i don't want to embarrass you on a TV when I said, I'm telling you Barry, this is what they're telling me.
00:37:02
Lee Hatfield
so
00:37:04
Chris
And this was the early stage of him working with me. So he didn't understand that. I'm telling you, if I tell you there's something, there's something there. I'm not trying to be egotistical. They're telling me that I'm not making this up.
00:37:15
Chris
I'm not telling you this. I'm telling you what they're telling me and showing me. So we need to pursue this because either I've got it slightly wrong or it's there. All right. But when I say slightly wrong, that means that there is something there and i'm just not identifying it correctly.
00:37:29
Chris
So he's like, no. And I was frustrated because nobody knew about it. Well, during the first season, I never got to meet the owners. They had it set I didn't like that format. I said, I want to eventually meet them because I want to share what I've got with them. Not at the very end when we're done and we're not investigating anymore.
00:37:45
Chris
So she shows up to give the keys and I dart right for, and the director's like, no, I said, no, I got to talk to her. And I said, nobody here knows this. I have to ask you.
00:37:56
Chris
was this house built on something? And she goes, what do you mean? Is there an altar underneath this house? She goes, who told you? And do you mean who told me? She goes, there's only two people that know this. I go, what do you know? What?
00:38:09
Chris
She goes, me and this other guy that she knows. He didn't, and everybody's like, no, we didn't know anything about this. She's all right. You got to turn the cameras off. So they turned the cameras off. She goes, we found bones underneath the the floor fell through.
00:38:20
Lee Hatfield
Wow. Wow. Wow.
00:38:24
Chris
Okay. And there's a something in underneath that is an altar. Not only was there an altar, but there was buckets and buckets of bones, small childlike bones.
00:38:38
Chris
So they excavated that, but they hadn't gone public with that at the time. And we're like, you're kidding me. She goes, it's right underneath where the carpet is, where the kitchen table is. It's underneath there.
00:38:50
Chris
So then we asked later, well, can we film? She goes, yes, you can film that as a reveal. She goes, but you can't say anything about the bones. And so then she took us to a closet at a lockout, opened it up and pulled out the bucket of bones.
00:39:02
Chris
So Barry's like, how did you know? I go, what mean, how do i know? Barry, this is what I do. i go, why are you questioning me?
00:39:06
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:07
Chris
Why? Just let me do what I do. you know, have you not experienced this before where someone picks up on something and tell? So I was like, I just, me having done this, I don't have time to discuss how I just let me do what I got to do and let's move on to investigate it.
00:39:21
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:39:21
Chris
Right. I'm not going to go back in the middle of us investigation and tell you my whole history how I've been doing this. So I want to get right to the point. So then we end up pulling it up and we're looking at it. And Barry went down there and I should have went to, I didn't go down there. I said, i don't want to go down there. And I knew there was something evil with this woman. So I did prayers and I had holy water that my friend Adam Bly had given me that came directly from the Pope.
00:39:44
Chris
It was blessed by the Pope.
00:39:44
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:39:45
Chris
So it was very holy water, right? So I threw holy water on it. We have an EVP of this woman screaming, right? and And yelling at us. And then she followed us to several locations popping on EVPs.
00:39:57
Chris
I'm like, she goes, she goes, send me back, send me back. and i'm like, well why can't you just go back? She goes, because of the water, but didn't want to say holy water because doesn't want to use that term because she's evil.
00:40:08
Chris
And it was it was crazy. She was following us to every single location we went to saying, I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. Because you you kicked me out and I can't go back because now it's blessed. i can't I can't go there and be attached to it because my frequency is different. So then it got to a point when we got were on our way to Chillingham Castle and the windshield wipers were going and I started hearing, i hate you. I hate you. I hate you. and i'm like, just get out of my head. Leave me alone.
00:40:32
Chris
So when I got to chill I did a prayer and I asked the angels, just take her away. Right. And then at that time it stopped, it was over.
00:40:39
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:40:39
Chris
So I may have gone off on a tangent here, but this is how I see and feel stuff. And then there tends to be some form of engagement because I'm intruding into their space of knowing this, that they're not used to someone doing like, how does he know?
00:40:57
Chris
How is he doing this?
00:40:58
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:40:58
Chris
We don't like you doing this. Or, excuse me, we are going to communicate more with you.
00:41:04
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. It's actually quite funny because in the in the spring, summer of last year, i actually i had Barry on the show as well.
Transition from Graphic Design to Paranormal TV Shows
00:41:14
Chris
Oh, that's great. Yeah.
00:41:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because we've got a mutual friend called Kate, Kate here.
00:41:19
Chris
Yeah, i know. It's great. I love Kate.
00:41:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and she was going I interviewed Kate. She was going to see Barry. So I went, poke Barry for me, see if he'll come on the show. And he said yes.
00:41:31
Lee Hatfield
but yes so that would Yeah, he does.
00:41:32
Chris
Yeah, he loves to do shows. Yeah.
00:41:34
Lee Hatfield
So i absolutely love what you just said because I actually had chills when you were telling me. So at what point...
00:41:46
Lee Hatfield
Did you, was was you asked? Yeah. how How did appearing on those kind of shows come about? Did somebody approach you?
00:41:53
Chris
Oh, it's pretty simple. I've spoken about this many times, but I'll share this with you is I did a paranormal. Well, OK. I was a graphic designer and artist. I worked for a newspaper. Then I worked for an advertising agency agency agency. Then I just took this one job. Supposed to be high paying for two months.
00:42:12
Chris
selling garbage containers. I sold one to a mortgage company and he asked if I could design his brochures and his logo. So I did. And during that process over about a month, he says, why'd just come work for me? And I had no interest in going into the finance business. But he was a really good salesman, so he talked me into it. And I felt like I was burned out in graphic design that I wanted to do something completely different. And I'm glad I did. So while I was there within the first six months, there was people all over the country, all over the world that were working there from different cultures and nationalities. And one night we having pizza late at night, just getting to know one another. And someone said they saw a ghost that night. And I look and I go, what?
00:42:52
Chris
He tells his story and then another person tells about their paranormal stories. Next thing you know everybody's telling paranormal stories and I didn't say one story. I just said, yeah, I grew up haunted house, but I was so interested in hearing their stories.
00:43:03
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:43:03
Chris
So I became interested in it again at that time.
00:43:04
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:07
Chris
And so I went to the newsstand. There was a newsstand two doors down that sold magazines. I picked up Fate magazine, all these other paranormal magazines. And I used to read Fate a little bit when I was a kid, my mom and I, because we had stuff going on in the house.
00:43:18
Chris
So I decided to do a magazine. So for five years, I published a magazine and I was always behind schedule. I imagine that. And, but because of that, I started doing radio meeting a lot of people and talking to people all over the world, UFOs, military personnel, you name it. And i was fascinated about the different stories that people had.
00:43:36
Chris
Well, in the year 2000, uh, I'd gone to another mortgage company i got really busy because the market changed and people wanted to refinance and everything. So I couldn't do both. It was just too much work. And I was dating this one girl and she's like, you know, it's either me or the magazine. And you know, she played that game.
00:43:51
Chris
i said, well, know what? I'm burned out anyway. so I'm going to stop the magazine. But I got a feeling that I'm going to do the magazine in some other way, whether it's on TV or the radio, in some form of media and tell people's stories.
00:44:03
Chris
Sure enough, in 2023, it would have been in the spring, i get this email from a woman from two, four productions in the UK saying, hey, you know, we're creating this one TV show. we' We're looking for interested. And I didn't even respond. I'm like, I'm not interested. You know, I'm busy with mortgages. I'm, you know, it's in the UK. I'm not interested. And then next thing you know, two months later, I get a phone call at the office.
00:44:26
Chris
Somehow she was able to track me down.
00:44:29
Lee Hatfield
while
00:44:30
Chris
How she tracked me down where I worked, I have no idea.
00:44:32
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:44:33
Chris
But our receptionist goes goes, hey, Chris, I got a phone call from the UK. I'm like, the UK? Who's calling? And I'm thinking, oh, my God, is that that email? Because the only person I talked to in the UK that wanted to talk was her.
00:44:44
Chris
So I get on the phone. She's like, hi, this is Charlotte from 2400 Press. Is this Chris Lund? I said, yeah. Are you doing the magazine on the magazine? No. You're not doing the magazine. She goes, did you do the magazine? I said, yeah, I stopped doing it She was like, why?
00:44:56
Chris
Because that's my business.
00:44:57
Lee Hatfield
so
00:44:57
Chris
I just don't want to do it anymore. She well, are you still into the paranormal? I said, yeah, I'll always be in the paranormal. I see ghosts and I have things happen to me, but why are you calling? And she tells me she's got this show, which was dead famous.
00:45:08
Chris
And she said, well, we got this show. And I said, well, I'm not interested. and And she goes, please, you know, the network really wants it. they They want to have a partner show to compete with most haunted. And they think this would be a great show. We'd film and, you know, I go, I'm not interested. You know, I just don't want to do that stuff. That's my childhood. That's behind me, you know. So she kept, she goes, can I just email it to you and you take a look? So she emails it to me. Other guys in the office, we looked at it. I told my mom, my mom's know what? Just fly out there for two days.
00:45:34
Chris
They're going to shoot a teaser just to get a free trip. It's never going to happen. Sure enough, six, months six weeks later, it got greenlit. And they, and I told him, congratulations. they're like, no dummy, you're on the show. And I'm like, what? I don't want to be on the show. i seriously, I swear you could ask her. I did not want to do this.
00:45:51
Chris
I was terrified. i mean, the last thing I want to do is go backwards and And have people tease me and not believe in this and put myself on the spot with a camera communicating with spirits.
00:46:02
Chris
I used should do this in my house or we do it in the forest or or at my friend's house, not in someone's house that I don't know with a camera in my face.
00:46:03
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:46:10
Chris
No way. Right. Right. But lo and behold, things started happening right away on the set. When I say set, when they're filming at the locations we were at, you know, and I just felt like I was thrown back into my childhood, but this time I was no longer afraid. I was educated and experienced in overcoming my fear. I still got startled and excited. And when it happened, it was the same rush that my friends and I used to get when we do the Ouija board and things would happen, whether something would fly across the room, we hear a voice or a bang on the wall. I was like, Oh my God, this is such a rush, but I'm doing this at the most haunted places in America.
00:46:45
Chris
So for me, after a few times, I was like, this is so cool. And I got people paying me to be there, you know, and documenting it, you know, this, this is wild.
00:46:52
Lee Hatfield
Oh.
00:46:56
Chris
So, but then I quit after six episodes cause we only had six episodes and and I said, all right, I'm done. i don't want to do this anymore. And then they called back a couple weeks later said, the network wants two specials. I said, you know, I,
00:47:07
Chris
right. She's like, just do these two. I said, fine, I'll just do these two. So I did the show. They sent me tapes. I watched it. My friends and I, oh it's pretty cool. You know? And then we did a second season and a third season. And then I just, i realized that it had always been there. You know, like the one ghost said to me, Chris, we never left. You just decided to turn it off.
00:47:24
Chris
And it said that to me we were doing the Marilyn Monroe seance. So I was like, all right, you know, I'll do this. And while I'm doing mortgages, no, my boss wasn't happy. says, you make way more in the mortgage business than you make here. They only paid me a thousand dollars an episode. So people know I was making only a thousand dollars an episode. Yet I would make 1500 to $2,000 off one loan. That would only take me an hour.
00:47:43
Chris
Okay. But yet we would film each episode of dead famous over seven days. Okay. So when you do the math, it makes no sense. So my boss is like, why are you doing this? He goes, you can make a quarter of a million dollars easily this year, but you're doing this. I said, I got to do this. I feel it's like my life purpose. I said, I'm getting to talk to spirits and ghosts, not just in my house that I grew up with now and other places from different time periods. I go, this is just, I never would have realized this was possible. Right. Right.
00:48:11
Chris
So I just said, I got to do this. Who gets a chance to do this? Right. It was never about being on TV.
00:48:15
Lee Hatfield
Exactly.
00:48:17
Chris
It was about going to locations. And my mom was a flight attendant and always traveled loved to travel. So her and I would have these conversations when I come back, where'd you go now? And I told her about how beautiful it was. Hotel Coronado went to the Whaley house, Thunderbird lodge where Frank Sinatra was and, and, you know, JFK. And it just, that was something that my mom loved to hear about.
00:48:37
Chris
And I am, i am very grateful and blessed to, that I was a part of that journey.
00:48:44
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and it's it's funny how yeah one of your latest shows, Haunted Scotland and Haunted Island, we actually had that over here in Canada on one of the TV channels about a couple of years ago, and that's really where I first saw you on a TV show because I've not seen any of the early episodes of Help My House Is Haunted.
00:48:51
Chris
Haunted Ireland, yeah. Spook Skylarspool, Ireland.
00:49:05
Chris
Yeah.
00:49:09
Lee Hatfield
They're like yeah like gold dust to try to find reasons.
00:49:12
Chris
Well, here's, it's it's impossible to, it's it's just crazy. The very first season went with a distributor and that distributor was then bringing it to other countries and stuff. And it was playing in a lot of countries.
00:49:25
Chris
And then they did something that the network or the production company was not happy about and wouldn't give it back to them. So it's been kind of like locked up for some stupid reason and nobody gets to see it.
00:49:38
Chris
And it's because of some legal battle. So I don't know what's ever going to happen to it again.
00:49:40
Lee Hatfield
Wow. All right.
00:49:42
Chris
if people are going to get to see it. And then the second season, you know, they didn't go with that distributor. They went with somebody else because they were a pain in the ass. And it's on there. But then when you look for streaming, it's like they took it off because, you know, they had a new form, not a new formula, but they brought in Ian. So I don't know. I don't even know if the second one's still available to watch or whatever. I haven't been following it But the first season we had, you know, Barry and I got some great evidence.
00:50:10
Chris
Some of the places went and it's so different than the second and third season because, you know, they were still trying to figure out the format, which I pretty much knew what the format was. And I'm the one that told him this is what we do with the walkthrough. Originally, they just wanted me to walk through the place and then just give me a summary of what I got standing against the wall.
00:50:28
Chris
And I'm like, well, that's boring as hell. And that's not what I did on Psychic Kids. I said, it's better if you just follow me, because if something happens in one of the locations, you're able to document it.
00:50:32
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:50:37
Chris
Why are we going to talk about it after the fact? Nobody wants to see after the fact. This isn't a biography where we do talking heads. This is actually taking the viewer with us while we go to these spots in the location.
00:50:48
Chris
So I said, we got to redo this. I said, I'm going to walk back in and you just follow me wherever I go. I go, how much time do we got to film me? She says, you got an hour and 15 minutes, right? Fine. Then I'll walk through this whole house within an hour and 15 minutes, but let me see who's there.
00:50:59
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:51:01
Chris
That's what you're supposed to do. Just film me trying to figure out who's here. It's simple. Don't make it complicated. And they're like, but I've been doing this for 20 something year, know, almost 20 years, 15 years, whatever it was.
00:51:09
Lee Hatfield
so
00:51:13
Chris
And it's like, you can't talk to the director that way. i said, why I've been doing it. Is there anybody else that's been doing it that long? I grew up in a haunted house. I've been talking to spirits since I was a tiny little kid. Okay. I was taken out of my crib at one and a half years old by something.
00:51:26
Chris
And you're going to tell me how to go talk to the spirits when you've never done that before. Nah, this is what we're going to do. Just document me. When I did psychic kids, they were amazing. They said, we're just going to document you.
00:51:37
Chris
We're like ninjas. You don't see us.
00:51:38
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:39
Chris
You just do what you do. Thank you. Ghost hunters. Just do what you do. Ghost adventures. Just do what you do. Okay. So the top shows out there, just let me do what I do, but you're going to try to tell me what to do. Nah, ain't going happen.
00:51:51
Chris
Then I'm the wrong guy, right?
00:51:51
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:51:52
Chris
And, and they let me go, they let me do what I do. And it was, it was wonderful. And I appreciated that, but it was a learning experience for them because they're used to telling people what to do and in documentaries. And so it was, it was, it was nice.
00:52:04
Chris
You know, it was nice. And, and I think the show evolved every year because Barry and I would make a list of comments, constructive criticism, we would call it to improve the show.
00:52:15
Chris
And we'd have lists like the one producer, like, Oh my God, you've got 13 pages. i go, yeah. What do you want? do you want to make this better show or not? So, and even after the second season, we had, Barry and I had a stack of how to make this better and they implemented them all.
00:52:27
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah.
00:52:29
Chris
Third, fourth, fifth season, they implemented all that. Even the celebrity show was my idea because I did the dead famous. We went to the house. The woman was best friends with Samantha Fox and Samantha Fox. I had a crush on her when she was popular as a pop star.
00:52:47
Lee Hatfield
oh yeah
00:52:47
Chris
So, so Julie calls up, she goes, i'm going to call her up right now. I'm like, Oh my God, don't do that. Isn't Julie's like, Hey, I got Chris Fleming, you know, the medium and everything was on dead famous and everything and psychic kids. He's here right now. And he had a crush on you and she hands it to me. And I'm like, Oh, well, I've got this on video.
00:53:01
Chris
One of the crew members filmed it. I'm like, hi, Sam, how you doing?
00:53:03
Lee Hatfield
Bye.
00:53:05
Chris
She goes, Oh, you had a crush on me. You and every other pubescent boy. Right. And I'm like, yeah, had a crush on you, you know? So we talked and and got to be friends. Actually, she, she had called me twice on my birthday and wished me happy birthday, which was fantastic. But anyway, after we did this, I'm like, you know what? We've got to do a help. My house is haunted, like celebrity edition where we go to celebrities homes and communicate with the spirits there. Now I did dead famous. So I'm used to going to celebrities homes, but I'm also used to communicating with celebrities. So I pitched it to our director. I told him and then producer Steph Westgate. i said, hey, she's well, we're going to it now. You know, it's too early. We're still trying to figure out the budget for the show. You know, it keeps growing. So probably won't do that to like the fourth or fifth season. She goes, but it's it's a nice idea.
00:53:48
Chris
You know, and then obviously they went and did it without me and I wasn't a part of the show. And I was really upset about that. I'll be honest. I was really upset because that was another one of my ideas that I wanted to do. And I even had the the pitch and the deck, not the deck, but I had the pitch and I had the the treatment for it that I had sent, you know, and they went and did it without me.
00:53:57
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:54:06
Chris
So that was, oh, I was, I was upset about that because when it's something passionate you're about and they go take it and, you know, they don't pay you, and they don't give you any credit, they do it, they just take it.
00:54:13
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:54:15
Chris
So that was upsetting, but it is what it is, you know, you move on.
00:54:17
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:54:20
Chris
So, uh,
00:54:20
Lee Hatfield
That's it. And yeah, you you kind of have to because yeah i do I'm involved with Comic Cons this side of them.
00:54:27
Chris
I love comic cons. You know that I collect comics, right?
00:54:30
Lee Hatfield
I do now.
00:54:31
Chris
Yeah. Okay. My dad got me to take the mind off the ghosts. And this is what's crazy Lee today. I just thought of it. You wouldn't, no one would ever guess unless I spoke about before the very first comic, my dad brought me home.
00:54:42
Chris
I was in the basement and we were having the ghost stuff. And my dad brings a stack of comics. The very first comic on top was X-Men with Phoenix when the the ship crashed and she burst out of the waters issue one-on-one.
00:54:55
Chris
I believe I still have that. And I just got it autographed by Chris Claremont last year.
00:54:57
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:55:01
Chris
I met him face to face and he signed it for me. But my dad gave that to me, said, here, i used to read comics when I was a kid. He used to read Black Hawk, which was like this military comic. He says, just start reading these. It'll help take your mind off the ghosts. And then I got addicted to comics. And then like 20 years, I didn't do it, but I got back into it.
00:55:17
Chris
So several years ago, just because of the creativity and the movie principles and stuff. So I'm fascinated by it. But like I said, those memories are great memories.
00:55:28
Chris
And I still have the very first issue my dad gave me.
00:55:32
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because it's quite it's quite much funny that you mentioned X-Men because Famke Janssen is coming to Ottawa.
00:55:42
Chris
Oh, wow. Yeah. She was Phoenix. Yeah.
00:55:44
Lee Hatfield
who's in the X-Men. But, yeah, but the point that i was actually going to get to, like, I'm quite a down...
00:55:50
Chris
I love to go off tangents just so you know.
00:55:53
Lee Hatfield
Really, Chris, I hadn't kind of got that in impression at all.
00:55:56
Chris
It's the creative mind.
00:55:57
Lee Hatfield
but Yeah, I... am Like, as us oh but I'll have to get some of that, Chris.
00:56:01
Chris
Of
00:56:03
Lee Hatfield
It looks good. i yeah I speak to a lot of celebrities, but I treat them like human beings where some people go, oh, oh my God, it's Chris Fleming.
00:56:11
Chris
course.
00:56:13
Lee Hatfield
Oh, my God, kind of thing.
00:56:14
Chris
No, no, no. It's just I'm a person.
00:56:14
Lee Hatfield
yeah And it's like, yeah, and i'm I'm just speaking to loads of people. And it's like people go, you you'd do really good on a podcast because you you you talk a lot. and so but What are you trying to say?
00:56:27
Lee Hatfield
But yeah, I'll definitely have to like i' definitely enough to find a con convention that you're going to and come and visit you. And now i'll I'll bring you some oxygen through the yeah through the border.
00:56:36
Chris
Oh, thank you.
00:56:37
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:56:38
Chris
Yeah, thank you.
00:56:39
Lee Hatfield
So when you were doing Haunted Scotland and Haunted Ireland, It kind of, and we love we loved it, the but the wife and I.
Filming 'Haunted Scotland' and Team Dynamics
00:56:50
Lee Hatfield
Gail Porter made me laugh when she kept screaming, but that was really funny.
00:56:53
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:53
Lee Hatfield
yeah But it seemed to kind of concentrate more on kind of like the castle kind of buildings and the oldie worldie ones.
00:57:02
Chris
Yeah.
00:57:03
Lee Hatfield
was it Was that deliberate when you kind of got that show together?
00:57:07
Chris
I didn't have any, I was brought in at the very last minute for the first season. and it's just, I won't go into all the details. was interesting. Cause I had spoken to Gail like eight months before that her and I should do a show. And then she get asked to do the show, the same type of concept that I was discussing with her as a special.
00:57:26
Chris
And i was like telling the universe I'm supposed to be a part of this. I mean, I created this idea that it's similar to what they're doing. It's not identical, but similar. And it was supposed to be her and I, she can't go to investigate paranormal activity again without me. We did dead famous. And then I get this, I wake up one morning at a text message, phone call, WhatsApp message, direct messages from every type of contact. Hi, this is, uh, back, uh, the hell's name of the I can't remember the production a turn. This is turn. And we, the network stated that they want to have you on the show with Gil Porter. And I, and I read it again and again and again.
00:58:04
Chris
i just said to the universe this week that you cannot have her go do this show without me. And now they're telling me we need to get you out here in two weeks. We filmed a pilot episode and the network wants you on the show and we're going back out. And I'm like, oh my God. So I messaged Gail. She was oh my God, they got ahold of you. They're actually, i said, yeah. She goes oh, this is great. So she told me a little bit about the show and everybody she's working with. i said, all right, I'll be out there in two weeks. So I was out there. There was a little bit of delay getting my visa and everything else. So I was out there.
00:58:33
Chris
And when I got there, I'm like, I told you, Gail, 15 years ago, we'd be working together again. And here we are. Right. And we just spoke eight months ago.
00:58:40
Lee Hatfield
that.
00:58:42
Chris
She was, well, I was hoping they'd get you. i said, well, the network made the decision and they're obviously making the decision because they're not going to bring me back to help because of the COVID thing and everything. But then they're going to put me on this show, which was smart from a marketing standpoint.
00:58:55
Chris
So it was great. I was very pleased with, I mean, the the production company did a very good job in the filming and editing and and putting together the show.
00:59:04
Chris
i was very pleased with that. there were just some producing things that they did not understand paranormal. And it got very frustrating and they were very like authoritative. Like you do this. You, I go, no, don't tell me what to do. You know? And it's like, I don't think you understand how paranormal works, you know? And they were very interruptive too. I'd be in the middle of communicating with spirit and a camera would go, or they'd, they'd yell out something or say something. like, Oh my God, you know, right in the middle of getting this. in So it was very, uh,
00:59:34
Chris
was very unfortunate. I'll just say that. I was not pleased with some. I mean, the the sound guy was great. One of our director of photography was great. One of our directors was great. It was just two of the producers, three of the producers, but that didn't understand paranormal and tried to do it their way and they'd never done paranormal for And that's a problem you can ask anybody in the field. I mean, ghost hunters will tell you.
00:59:54
Chris
Ghost Adventures will tell you when they've had executives or someone come in try to make decisions. That was the only problem. I mean, i would definitely work with the director of photography and I would definitely work with the sound guy. The sound guy was great.
01:00:04
Chris
You know, everybody was on the same page. I worked with Gail again. you know even Ryan was great. You know, Ryan was really good, very passionate. And that's the thing i loved about Ryan was he was very passionate about what he does.
01:00:15
Chris
Now, just so you know, the first season, they were telling Gail to be scared all the time. There was sometimes she was scared, but they kept telling her, we need you to be more scared.
01:00:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:23
Chris
It needs to be scary. They tried to tell me, i go, I don't get scared. I mean, you're not going to make it scarier. Okay. It's scary enough for people. Don't tell me, Oh, Chris, we really got to go. No, we don't have to go. I want to, you know, like she'd be like, we got to go. I said, no, I want to talk to the spirit. Why are we leaving? And of course we got to go.
01:00:37
Chris
Why do we go in the and one direction? Well, they wanted us to go. It's just because it makes it more dramatic. I said, but no, I've got to talk to these spirits. i'm in the middle of this. So that got me upset that i didn't get to finish parts of the communication or the investigation in some spots.
01:00:51
Chris
And that's the only thing that really bothered me was, I mean, there were, there are a couple of people I would definitely work with again from the show. And then there's some people I wouldn't, I would work with Gail again. I would work with Ryan again. Absolutely. You know, and I'd work with the sound guy again. And one of the directors of photography,
01:01:06
Chris
They were great.
01:01:07
Lee Hatfield
And it's got nothing to do with the fact that it's it's it's the UK, and it's a great place.
01:01:12
Chris
I love the UK. You kidding me?
01:01:13
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:01:13
Chris
No, no, no, no, no. no no no I know. Listen, help my house is on it. Like Adrian, one of the best directors of photography I've ever worked with. Okay. Owen was good as sound guy. And then Steve, who was our sound guy on haunted Scotland was amazing. I wanted him back for haunted Ireland. They said, no, no, no, you got to bring him back.
01:01:32
Chris
And they didn't. I was always so upset about that. You know, and there's like, why didn't I get invited back? I don't know what they're doing. And that's the one thing we started with help. My house is haunted was I told him after the first season, because we went through three directors of photography, the first season, right. And we went through a couple of sound guys. And I said, you got to bring Owen back. you got to bring Adrian back from the first season.
01:01:52
Chris
And then you have to build a team that you have consistently for every episode. The reason being is they become part of the team. Not only you become part of the team like this was like a kids is they learn you and you learn them. What I mean by that is they know if I go into a trance, they know if I start communicating where to stand because they've seen it before.
01:02:14
Chris
They know how I feel and passionate I am to not say anything or to film stuff because they know my movements. if You get someone coming in, it gets disruptive, just disruptive. And you can't have disruption when you're investigating a haunted place, when you're trying to communicate with the spirit.
01:02:29
Chris
So that was the whole point. And they did that. And that helped make the show so successful was they had that team of individuals that were on every season together in the season grew and that God bless them.
01:02:40
Chris
That was what we tried to, to do after the first season with all the chaos. And we, we started to do in the second season and they continued that thing, God, and that's a formula that makes a very successful show. You look at ghost hunters, ghost adventures, and some of the other top shows is they keep the same team.
01:02:58
Chris
The shows that don't make it, they keep getting new people every year.
01:02:58
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:01
Chris
and They got to start all over again. And there's always growing pains during the first season because just like a sports team, and I've played sports for years and I've coached sports. So that's where it comes from is in, and also graphic design, putting together a production team, finding the most talented people, putting them in those positions. And everybody knows how to rely on one another and what the expectations are. When all that is done naturally, like a machine,
01:03:26
Chris
It works beautifully. But if, if people don't know what to do and you constantly have to tell them it distracts from what you're doing and it takes away from the fluidity of just documenting the darn show. So that was a problem we ran into, unfortunately with a haunted Scotland and a haunted Ireland, you know, otherwise the series would have continued.
01:03:47
Lee Hatfield
tell you what what we'll do i'll i'll invite you to my hometown in england and we'll see what we can find there and we'll create our own
01:03:52
Chris
Oh, that'd be cool.
Spiritual Messages and Book Writing
01:03:53
Lee Hatfield
show yeah it's called boston yeah yeah it's boston funnily enough which confuses americans because they think i'm talking about the one in massachusetts but okay so you've got a book coming out or is it already out you're still working on it
01:03:54
Chris
That would be cool. Did you say timeshare?
01:03:58
Chris
Yeah.
01:04:05
Chris
yeah
01:04:12
Chris
No, I haven't finished the book.
01:04:14
Lee Hatfield
Because i I know that it's it's got a working title. Are we allowed to talk about the book or not?
01:04:18
Chris
No, we're going talk about it right now because it's still, it's still being developed.
01:04:21
Lee Hatfield
OK.
01:04:22
Chris
The only thing I will say is that I'm accepting stories. I'm writing a book about messages. And that's just a working title I have right now. And the messages are, I'm going to share all the different type of formats of messages we get from spirit, from angels, stuff like that, and into various chapters and categories and give examples.
01:04:42
Chris
But then also i have people, Some people i haven't had a lot because I haven't promoted it too much, but people submit their own stories of messages, whether it's coins, whether music, you know, everybody gets messages in different ways from a loved one or someone from the other side, as well as something to pay attention to in their own life.
01:05:01
Chris
So that's what the book is about. My goal with the book is not only to educate on people to become more aware of these messages, but share the different meanings and how it creates purpose in those meanings to have a better life, that we're not alone, that these spirits out there are definitely trying to help us and guide us without interrupting the free will.
01:05:23
Chris
So it's a compilation book of not only my experiences as the narrator guiding through sharing my own personal stories as an example, but then also sharing other people's stories so you can see that this happens to other people around the world. So I'm i'm asking for submission. So if they go to ChristopherFleming.com.
Music as Healing and Creative Process
01:05:42
Chris
christopher fleming dot com And they click on book. You can read about what it's about and and for the submissions. But no, I've, I have actually, because of everything I went through, i put all my, my energy and my healing into music.
01:05:56
Chris
because a voice had asked me if there's one thing you can do, do want to do? And I said, music, and I've got a story about that, but I decided to start just creating and writing music. Cause it's something I've always wanted to do. We never got to finish when we went in the studio back in 2014, we created a demo and we're going to make an album. Never happened. So it's either now or never. So I have an album coming out.
01:06:18
Chris
I've done various genres because I love music as a whole, an entirety. So I've been creating and writing music in different genres. But this first one is called Boogeyman Blues, and it releases officially June 12th.
01:06:31
Chris
It's available on CD. The vinyl is going to be colored vinyl in a gatefold. I did all the graphic design. There's 21 songs. There's 20 songs on the CD, 21 on the digital download, 21 on the vinyl. And majority of the songs are my own personal experiences with Ghost the Paranormal written into the genre of blues. And then some of the other ones are the spirits I've come in contact with sharing their stories as well as what it's like now that they're free and they're in the afterlife and sharing about some of the moments they had when they were here that happened to them.
01:07:05
Chris
And that's what it's about. And I'm very pleased and happy. I spent six weeks in the studio. I wrote all the lyrics and the titles. I used AI for the vocals and some of the instrumentation to start. And then we went in the studio over six weeks, remixed it, added new real instrumentation from musicians. And added other effects to it as well, like you do when you're in a studio. And I'm very pleased you know with the professionalism that we did over six weeks at WaySound.
01:07:32
Chris
And then I had it mastered. I had it professionally mastered in New York. So, you know, a lot of a lot of love and other people have gone into making this official.
01:07:44
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and it's it's actually quite interesting because obviously, yeah, I have two screens, so I have various notes that I want to cover. And in bold, I've got yeah the book with the working title, and then I've got Boogeyman Blues that we have to speak about, which we've we've just covered.
01:07:59
Chris
Yeah.
01:08:01
Lee Hatfield
So like...
01:08:02
Chris
Yeah. I think the music saved me, man, because there was some really dark hours on the couch at three in the morning where I'm like, I can't do this, you know, and all of a sudden a spirit would appear. And I mean, I'll keep that personal between me and the spirit, but you know, they, my cat died and I wrote a song. That was the first one as I wrote a song about my cat when I was in the hospital, I couldn't go see him.
01:08:24
Chris
And he died and I was devastated. and They said, do you want a counselor? I go, no, I'm a counselor. I'm like, I'm, I'm a spiritual counselor. I've been counseling people for 20 years professionally. i have my own private practice. She goes, well, no, but if you want to, I go, who am I going to, I go, I'd rather, i didn't want to tell him. I would rather talk to my guides and to God than, you know, someone else that doesn't have that awareness. Yeah.
01:08:45
Chris
and just going to listen. Right? So I drowned my sorrows, my emotion into writing, you know, when I wrote songs like never give up, uh, I'm not dead yet. And all this other stuff for life's sake. And then I just wrote a lot of hard rock, heavy metal. Cause I've always liked it. And then some Enya type enigma conjure one love electronica tracks that are beautiful about the afterlife.
01:09:06
Chris
I wrote some country rock songs, believe it or not. And then the the blues, I pretty much was doing the blues and then hard rock and heavy metal. And then I did a hip hop. I wrote this hip hop in three weeks, hip at eighties.
01:09:19
Chris
I loved like beastie boys and tone low young MC.
01:09:20
Lee Hatfield
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:09:22
Chris
So I had one song that was blues called Hey Yo. And in the studio, we're finishing it up. I'm like, you know, Jake, our sound engineer, this would be a great hip hop song, like eighties. He goes, yeah, yeah, it could. So a week later refigured it, rewrote some lyrics.
01:09:36
Chris
I made a hip hop song out of it. go, damn, this is pretty good. And then that night I had two other ideas. The titles would pop into my head. So I had Groove Machine and then I had Shake That Thing. you know you When you get a lot of dancers you know twerking and stuff, I'd like to make kind of like a cool hip hop song about that. and But tongue in cheek.
01:09:58
Chris
And I did. I wrote those in just 24 hours. And I'm like, next thing you know, within a week and a half, two weeks, I had eight songs.
01:10:01
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
01:10:06
Chris
And then I said, yeah right, I'm going in the studio because this is so fresh. So I went in the studio, we finished it. And then I wrote one more song and then I have to go back in to finish the mastering. We did some mastering, but there's a little more touches I'm not happy with. So that'll probably be out in July or August.
01:10:22
Chris
it's called Groove Machine, and it's got that 80s hip hop, but also there's spiritual songs. I talk about 515. five one five you know I talk about some of the spirits and paying attention to the messages and the signs. And then even talk about 6-7, where kids were running around saying 6-7. I wrote a song about that.
01:10:39
Chris
Because i would I would go on like Horizon, these VR games, right? Because when I was healing, I couldn't go anywhere. So I i got these VR goggles. I go into these rooms and stuff, walk around, and kids are running around going 6-7, 6-7. I'm like, what the heck is 6-7?
01:10:52
Chris
So I look it up and it means nothing.
01:10:52
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Oh, man.
01:10:54
Chris
And I'm like, this is hilarious. But back in the eighties and nineties, pop culture was so big, you know, MTV and everything. They would write songs about that. Nobody wrote a song about this. Some guy mentions it, Duke Duke or whatever his name is mentioned it in a song. So I wrote a song about it and and it's funny, but it's like the eighties type music they would write a song about. And it's great. I think it's brilliant.
01:11:15
Chris
And it's fun.
01:11:16
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
01:11:16
Chris
So I said, I want to do a fun album. I did all this blues and the sadness. I want to do a fun hip hop blues, like from the eighties. And that's what they fly. Like Superman. Uh, it's a great song. And I, and I also turned that into a heavy metal song and it's like Metallica needs to play this. Oh my God. Metallica needs So for me, i found my love, my expression and my healing because you may know, and some of your listeners will probably know that they have found scientifically that there is healing in music, the frequencies. And since I've been having problems with the pain in my brain from the site terabine, I said, this music is going to help me because it releases endorphins and it's helped me get through this without the music.
01:12:00
Chris
I don't know what I would have done and to get through this, but and it continues to help me get through this.
01:12:06
Lee Hatfield
And yeah that's called, as people say, a calling. and obviously that was the direction that you were kind of in.
01:12:14
Chris
Yeah. Oh, no, absolutely. There's no doubt about it. and And I feel this immensely. I told my sister, this is all I want to do is the music. You know, I'm still going to do some paranormal stuff, but all my music is going to have some elements of the paranormal in it, which is another way for me to express myself creatively, you know, and I hope people enjoy it, but I know they will when they hear this and I'm not being egotistical. I'm just stating that I've worked with some sound engineers. My buddy was in warrior soul and they listened to the music. They're like,
01:12:39
Chris
I won't even tell you what they said, but it's all positive. Okay. Because I'm not here to praise myself. I'm here to praise the spirits and the stories in this music. That's what I want people to focus I want them to listen to the lyrics, you know, and people enjoy it and share it and share it.
01:12:55
Chris
And, you know, like I said, it's It's on presale right now, ChristopherFleming.com. You can order the CD or vinyl. I'll ship all over the world. The CD I'll actually have within about a week and a half, and I'll start shipping.
01:13:08
Chris
The vinyl I won't be getting until the end of July or August because it it takes 90 days to print.
01:13:13
Lee Hatfield
so
01:13:14
Chris
But the digital download is going to be available June 12th. You can pre-order it on iTunes. And it's supposed to be on Amazon every any day now, and it's still not there. I keep contacting my distributor. So it's going to be available from both those distributors for digital download to your phones or your computers.
01:13:30
Chris
And then out here, I got a company that's going to sell it on Walmart online, eBay, and the physical CD on Amazon. so And they'll they'll ship all over the world. So, I mean, I've already gotten 40 orders right now just for the CD in other countries. I'd say 15 of them are in other countries and the rest are in the United States.
01:13:50
Chris
And I will be shipping them personally myself. I already just got the boxes came in today. I got the stamper for the logo that goes on the box. And I'm ready to start packing and getting them out hopefully in a week and a half.
01:14:02
Lee Hatfield
you'll you'll have a new talent then you'll be able to pack stuff into like
01:14:06
Chris
I've always done that. No, here's the thing people don't know is that, uh, I was always a fan growing up of ordering stuff in the back of comic books and magazines and getting stuff. I love Amazon getting stuff. And so I know what that excitement is when you get something. And I've had an online shipping business. I mean, since 97 when I did my magazine, but then I was selling ghost hunting. I was one of the first people selling ghost hunting equipment.
01:14:27
Chris
We're talking about 2007, eight, nine, I had ghost outlet and I was doing big numbers, $250,000 And,
01:14:34
Chris
You know, so that was something I was, I was doing huge in 2009, 2010, 11 and 12.
01:14:35
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
01:14:39
Chris
And then everybody else got into it and I was not doing well after the car accident. So I didn't spend much time and updating my website crashed twice. I lost everything and they're just, it was frustrating, but that's just the way it goes.
Selling Ghost Hunting Equipment and Public Engagements
01:14:51
Chris
You know, the the universe tries to put you in other things. So I don't sell ghost hunting equipment anymore, but I still sell collectibles. I've got ghost outlet warehouse on eBay. I've got a hundred percent rating. for decades.
01:15:02
Chris
I've been on there for decades. I think since the nineties, maybe even earlier, eighties, nineties, whatever nineties.
01:15:09
Lee Hatfield
I'll just make a note of that.
01:15:10
Chris
Yeah, ghost Ghost Outlet Warehouse. And I have a whole basement full of collectibles and stuff I need to post on there. Paranormal stuff, comics, magazines, shirts.
01:15:20
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
01:15:21
Chris
you know Even my mom, when she fly for TWA, I've got original pilot and flight attendant outfits they wore when she worked for TWA and some of my dad's old hockey stuff.
01:15:31
Chris
So all that's going to be going on the eBay store this year as soon as I get to it. But I love doing it. You know, I love packaging and shipping it out and the excitement, the message. I go, Oh my God, I got my package. I'm so happy. I've got my Etsy store for my artwork.
01:15:46
Chris
You know, I've shipped what 3000 prints or whatever it is now that I've shipped by hand.
01:15:49
Lee Hatfield
Wow, that's good.
01:15:51
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
01:15:51
Chris
It's a lot of work.
01:15:53
Lee Hatfield
It's keeping you busy, man. So before we go, because unfortunately we are coming to the end, I could talk to you all night, but I think...
01:16:00
Chris
This is the end of the doors.
01:16:04
Lee Hatfield
Have you got any yeah public appearances coming up anytime soon?
01:16:09
Chris
Yeah, I've got, to I'm doing Dave Schrader's event, which ironically it's the same weekend as my record release. I'm like, oh, so it's, yeah, June 11th through 13th, which is at the Palmer House Hotel in Minnesota.
01:16:15
Lee Hatfield
Oh, bad planning.
01:16:24
Chris
So we're doing some lectures and ghost hunts there. And then the record release obviously is the 12th. I'll be very busy that week doing promotion for that. And I'll continue to do promotion for the following month or two. And then the 20th, we've got a ghost hunt. There's only six tickets left for the Graham Janestra house in Rockford. I know there's an event that wants to have me in July. So that's not booked yet.
01:16:47
Chris
I don't have anything yet scheduled for August. And then September I'm doing an event and then I'm also going to the UK. Jane Harris from help. My house is haunted is doing xcon which I love the graphics on the website.
01:17:02
Chris
If you haven't checked it out, you got to check it out. but If you go to Christopher Fleming.com and you go to events, you can find it at the bottom there.
01:17:07
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
01:17:07
Chris
But in October, I'm flying to the UK to do her event, which i'm I'm looking forward to seeing her. I'm looking forward to see everybody in the UK and her and I are going to do a panel.
01:17:18
Chris
And I'm also going to talk about my near death experience that I just had March 25th and the previous one I had in 2010. So I'm looking forward to that traveling to the UK for a couple of days. that's it. The music I'm really focusing on. I'll start doing readings again in July.
01:17:34
Chris
but this coming month, I want to crank out some more material and have it set aside for release. Uh, and then just continue to heal. You know, I'm, I'm looking go get stem cells for my brain and my neck to try to heal what the damage did from the Cytarabine, hoping that works because these headaches some days are just brutal, man.
01:17:54
Chris
they actually, I just got to prescribe this shot I'm supposed to take to try to do with the headaches, but I haven't taken it yet. Cause I was afraid to take it on Friday and there'd be a side effect while I have to speak Saturday.
01:18:04
Chris
It's the last thing you want, you're on stage and something happens to you because of the shot.
01:18:04
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. yeah
01:18:09
Chris
You know, I don't know how my body is going to handle it. So I've got to do that this week, but that's about it.
01:18:13
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:18:14
Chris
You know, and and if people are wondering, you know, am I ever going to do paranormal TV again? Not right now. i don't have the energy. i I may in the future because I have some ideas for a documentary and stuff that I would like to do to educate and investigate. But, you know, for me, it's the music right now and then getting this eventually getting back to this book and getting the book out because I have four books I want to write in sequence. And this first book is the first one I need to write from what my guides had told me.
01:18:46
Chris
They told me I need to write this. So, you know, it is what it is.
01:18:50
Lee Hatfield
Yep. You're definitely not taking it easy. Are you?
01:18:53
Chris
No, like I told my sister, I'm going seven. Well, my days are shorter than most people because I have to sleep 10 hours and sometimes I have take nap.
01:19:00
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:19:01
Chris
I get winded. But i I don't really do much socially because all my energy has to go into doing this. And the only one that's going to do it is me. So, you know, I tell people, you know, just don't think about it. Just do it.
01:19:17
Chris
You know, I mean, put it this way.
01:19:19
Chris
I was on my deathbed told I had two weeks to live. I told my buddy and I had 200 orders of art prints. I had him bring not only all my art prints, my packaging material, but I ordered a printer to the hospital room on the 15th floor Northwestern. We set up a production spot on one side of the hospital room. I swear to God.
01:19:42
Chris
And I would get on my knees and every day I do two or three package, sign, and print to ship out. By the end of the week, I'd have a stack because I was there for five weeks. There'd be a stack my buddy would take to the post office.
01:19:55
Chris
And I said, they're like my doctor said, what are you doing? I said, I got to do something. I got 200 people that want their prints. Who's going to do it? Well, can't you? and No, I can't get anybody to do it. They don't know the system. They're going to sign all my prints and decide which number it is, two out of 50 or 14 out of 100 and keep track of all that. She goes, well, can't you? I go, no, I do it.
01:20:14
Chris
And plus it gives me something to do. But then there's some days I stared at it. I couldn't even get out of bed. I was so weak. And then some days I got to do something. So I get up and I do two and then I would like pass out on the floor. you know, nurses would come in, put me back in their bed. and And this is not exaggeration. You can ask my friend who come in and go, dude, you are crazy.
01:20:31
Chris
You're being given two weeks to live. going to try to stop your spread. I go, well, got to get these out. Can you imagine I die and the people pay the order and they their money? i don't want to live with that on the other side.
Closing Remarks and Gratitude
01:20:42
Chris
You know, I got to get these prints out.
01:20:44
Lee Hatfield
Oh, man, that's crazy.
01:20:45
Chris
and One woman, one woman had the audacity to say, I haven't gotten my print yet.
01:20:50
Lee Hatfield
Oh my god.
01:20:51
Chris
And I, and I'm like, she just ordered it like three weeks ago. Right. I'm like, what do you mean to get your print? So I look and I go, Oh my God, I sent her print out when she was one of the two that I was on the floor trying to get done. i pass out.
01:21:04
Chris
And I go, what do you mean? It's ship checkers. Well, that's not my address. I'm like, that's the address you put. it She put in the wrong address and she gave me a bad review that she didn't get her print, but she put the wrong address in there.
01:21:14
Lee Hatfield
oh my god
01:21:16
Chris
So I said, ma'am, you put the wrong address on your order. You're saying this is your address, but look what you put in there. So I only used what the address you gave me. She goes, well, can I order another? And she goes and orders another and I canceled her order. I refund. I go, no, I'm not, I'm not taking another order from you because What we would do in this case is that you have to, cause she would not choose. I don't know how to use a phone. I'm 60 years old. I said, okay, well I'm not too far away from that.
01:21:41
Chris
You just contact Etsy and they investigate. She wouldn't even do that. I go, please like remove your review and just, and she wouldn't even do that. So Etsy is like, there's really nothing else we can do. Right. So I just, you know,
01:21:51
Chris
I canceled her her next order. I said, no, I don't want to deal with another negative comment because you did something wrong.
01:21:55
Lee Hatfield
yeah
01:21:57
Chris
i was like, yeah. I go, do you realize I'm in the hospital? You know, i'm not even supposed to be doing this yet. I'm still trying to fulfill your order and complete my service, even though I may be dead in two weeks.
01:22:09
Chris
Jeez.
01:22:10
Lee Hatfield
Oh, man. Chris, it's been an absolute pleasure. I've got tears running down my face right now.
01:22:14
Chris
Thanks. Oh,
01:22:16
Lee Hatfield
so like You made me laugh so much. I hope your health improvement continues and the in the right direction.
01:22:19
Chris
I've got jokes.
01:22:26
Chris
Thank you.
01:22:29
Lee Hatfield
I'm definitely going to put in an order for your CD, so have a good listen to
01:22:34
Chris
Thank you. appreciate it. You're going to be surprised. Seriously, if you're not, money back. You're going to like it.
01:22:40
Lee Hatfield
I will come to Illinois personally go, you lied to me.
01:22:45
Chris
No, seriously, i I would not put something out if I wasn't pleased with it, you know?
01:22:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. 100%. Absolutely.
01:22:50
Chris
And I know some people are like, you know, I understand. But, you know, and if you want to wait till you can listen to some of the tracks on iTunes or ram Amazon, go ahead. But I want to hit number one on Amazon and iTunes in the blues department with this album.
01:23:06
Chris
I want to come out hitting a home run.
01:23:06
Lee Hatfield
Absolutely. Why not, my friend? Again, Chris, it's been an absolute pleasure.
01:23:09
Chris
Right. Thank you, Lee.
01:23:11
Lee Hatfield
I've loved talking to you.
01:23:12
Chris
appreciate Appreciate you.
01:23:13
Lee Hatfield
Thank you for coming on. You have a great rest of the evening, my friend, and stay safe.
01:23:18
Chris
You too, my friend. Thank you, everybody, for listening.
01:23:19
Lee Hatfield
Thanks. Bye-bye.