Transcript
Lee Hatfield: Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SEPA Paranormal Chronicles. My name is Lee and today you might need a translator. Let's just say that because he he speaks funny.
Lee Hatfield: I'd like to introduce Andy Decodes Booth. He's the founder of Alien 8 UK Media. Andy, welcome.
Andy - Alien8UK: Hello, thank you for having me.
Lee Hatfield: Stop putting that accent on dude. We know how you really speak.
Andy - Alien8UK: Oh, sorry. I know, I just don't pronounce my T's. Everything else goes. It's just that unless I do a little bit Now and again, i'll get a little bit Southern and do but the, London twang, just certain words and whatever.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. Well, I'm glad you said Southern with two Vs and not with a TH. h
Andy - Alien8UK: No, cause that's not how you write it
Lee Hatfield: but
Andy - Alien8UK: as we both know.
Lee Hatfield: OK, exactly. Exactly. So this is this is going to be a nice, refined interview. We're not going to take the shit out of Tommy Cullen at all. Hi, Tommy.
Andy - Alien8UK: Hmm.
Lee Hatfield: Well, just, okay, maybe just a little bit, maybe just a little bit.
Andy - Alien8UK: A little bit, little bit, a little bit.
Lee Hatfield: Okay. So Andy, the reason why you're here, you are the founder of Alienate UK.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yes?
Lee Hatfield: But before we go into that, I'd like to know a little bit more about yourself. So how did this all come about?
Andy - Alien8UK: So I've had paranormal stuff go on from the age of four up until literally present day. And I used to watch TV shows. And then when they start to be watching stuff on YouTube, like slap time, all that kind of stuff.
Andy - Alien8UK: And then I used to watch a lot of
Andy - Alien8UK: the Bigfoot stuff over in the US. the Is it? I can't remember the full title, but it was one with James Bob Wolfe, Cliff Barrettman, Matt Moneymaker, and Rennie, can never remember a surname.
Lee Hatfield: Mayor, Mayor, was it?
Andy - Alien8UK: And this, yeah, something like that.
Lee Hatfield: a Yeah, yeah. big as said expedition
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. She's a got doctor, wasn't she? Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Expedition Bigfoot, I think it's called.
Andy - Alien8UK: isn it Is it? Well then that, that stopped and it's like, oh my God, what am going to do for me?
Lee Hatfield: Abby?
Andy - Alien8UK: Bigfoot fix. And it was like, so then was on Facebook, It's rolling through. And yo you get tons and tons of adverts popping up. Try this, watch, do this, do that. And something came up for podcasts. So this is back in 2017, 2018.
Andy - Alien8UK: like,
Andy - Alien8UK: i'm like oh So found out what a podcast was. So scrolling through, looking for different ones. So typed in paranormal or unknown and what. And then Bigfoot and b Beyond came up with Cliff and Bobo. I'm like, oh my God, I need to start listening to this. So started listening to it.
Andy - Alien8UK: And then thought, right, i need to start listening to some more. So I found a few others and I found one that was based in the UK. like, oh, I recognise that accent, and it's a Manchester accent. So I contacted the woman and sent her an email of some of my encounters and then ended up... So she did a couple of interviews with me, recorded them, put them on the podcast, and then ended up going on a couple of the lives.
Andy - Alien8UK: And I thought, yeah, I could do this. I could... He says, how difficult could it be? Right? So...
Andy - Alien8UK: But I just wanted to go out and investigate and get footage and just load up onto media. So, but right, Facebook, work out to do Facebook live. And it was during lockdown and it's Halloween. Couldn't go trick or treating with the kids.
Andy - Alien8UK: So was like, what can I do? So I set up Facebook group, Facebook page, website, Instagram, found that out how to use YouTube, all that kind of stuff. Just created all these different platforms and didn't do anything with them.
Andy - Alien8UK: Sorry, for about. five months other than Facebook. And then once I got into it, then it was learning how to use all the different platforms because no one tells you that all these platforms are completely different to the other.
Lee Hatfield: Oh yeah. Oh, for sure.
Andy - Alien8UK: So it was that. So I'd go out, I'd do live streams, investigating old buildings, cemeteries, woods, rivers, anywhere and anywhere, everywhere and anywhere.
Andy - Alien8UK: And then we went into the second lockdown and we couldn't go back out again. So it's like, what do I do? Anyway, so there's this other female that used to co-host with me. So she'd be in the studio while I was out and about. She goes, why don't we start an interviewing people?
Andy - Alien8UK: like, are you mad? Interview people? don't If I think I'm on camera, I cannot do it. I just fall the apart. I'm just, it's not me. So anyway, we started interviewing people. So there's a few people that we, either one of us knew, we both knew as we got to know more and more people in the paranormal community, it made it easier and that was started that in 2019 so April 2020 was the first stream that I did so yeah six years ago now six and a half years ago and I've been doing it ever since
Lee Hatfield: Wow. That's crazy. and And it's like what you say, because when I decided that i was going to do a podcast, I'd been with this group for best part of a year. And we went on a podcast and it was like it was it was painful.
Lee Hatfield: And I'm thinking to it because I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so I say to myself, like you, I could do this.
Andy - Alien8UK: yeah.
Lee Hatfield: I could i could i could do this better.
Andy - Alien8UK: yeah.
Lee Hatfield: So there's a friend of mine that's got a couple of podcasts. So I got him to help me and he went, oh, yeah, I'm sending you something through the post. And he sent me like the microphone and stuff like that.
Andy - Alien8UK: yeah.
Lee Hatfield: And and he really did help me. and But I must have like, okay, how am I going to do this And I started interviewing people from day one. well yeah The first couple was like introduction.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: And I think my fifth episode was like three girls off the TV. that it Well, beyond Beyond the Haunting, which is like don t on T&E now.
Lee Hatfield: the sweet The three girls, the two blonde girls and a dog kick.
Andy - Alien8UK: Right, okay.
Lee Hatfield: And it's not like, oh, yeah, we'd love to come on and like... Oh, crap. Okay.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, lot that's what I was like, yeah.
Lee Hatfield: okay Yeah. Yeah. And then it got that busy in July. I'd got so many recorded episodes. I had to do two a week to catch up for an entire for an entire month.
Andy - Alien8UK: Right yep.
Lee Hatfield: I had to release two a week.
Andy - Alien8UK: Wow.
Lee Hatfield: And it's not like, oh, I'm not doing that again. So I kind of backed off a little bit.
Lee Hatfield: But yeah, and here we are.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Well, I went, so I did a couple of different podcasts, tried different things, different formats and all that.
Lee Hatfield: I mean,
Andy - Alien8UK: And now, middle last year, actually got a formula that works for everything. So I'm doing Monday, Wednesday, this day Friday, Sunday podcasts.
Lee Hatfield: Holy shit.
Andy - Alien8UK: between Anything between 60 minutes and 90 minutes. But before that, I was doing one a week. Then it went to two a week. And it was like, no, I'm dropping the two because it's too much. Because I had the website then and had the podcast. So it went out on the Spotify and Apple and all that. And I had to obviously download it, re-upload it.
Andy - Alien8UK: I'm like, I also work a full-time job. bearing in mind. So I'm having to do all that. I'm up at 6am for work. My podcast used to finish at half 10 because I do them all live.
Andy - Alien8UK: Unless it's someone who really doesn't want to do a live one or if you've got to mess about because the time zones and that, we it's due recording to fit in and then we can put it out whenever.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: And it was just, it was getting too much. But then I just found this formula. It's like, oh my God, this works. And it's like, Even if I do two a day, every day, still works regardless of how many. And I actually worked out I will, in the last three weeks, I think I'll have done, including this one, this will be my last one over a three-week period. I think it's between 27 34 podcasts.
Lee Hatfield: Holy crap, dude. You need to get out here.
Andy - Alien8UK: And then and the only day I forget is Thursday season and Saturday. So I'm doing two tomorrow. So I'm now part of Festival of the Unexplained 2026, which is a conference over in the UK.
Andy - Alien8UK: So they've been going... five, six years. So they've asked me to come on and help do the media. So initially it was to go and interview people, do vlogging, live streams, take photos, just walking around and interviewing people, asking them questions at the event and then putting putting them out, even pre-recorded or live.
Lee Hatfield: Thank you.
Andy - Alien8UK: To now where myself and Jay Austin are going to be, we do the guest announcement each week as to who the next guest is going to be. So I did my first one last week because Jay wasn't well.
Andy - Alien8UK: So I said, they asked me, would I step in? So I said, yeah, go on. because of my de so So where I'm sat now, this is set up every single time. You switch your computer on and straight in to do whatever I need to do.
Andy - Alien8UK: So it's like, well, I'm already doing one like half an hour afterwards. Yeah, I can do it. So now I'm doing that. I'm doing their media for them, doing the intro intro and get just getting all the stuff ready and what have you. But that was the other thing with this.
Andy - Alien8UK: No one tells you about thumbnails. and descriptions and titles on what works.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: I know i can tell you everything that doesn't work because I did it for four years.
Lee Hatfield: That's great.
Andy - Alien8UK: yeah And now it's just my YouTube channel just gone, just took off, ridiculously took off. The people that are watching, people that and I'm interviewing and it's just I'm enjoying it a lot more now it doesn't feel like work it got to the point where it's you know it's like a bit of a hobby that become like I won't say a job but more of a chore whereas now it's no I actually love doing this I enjoy it and that that's where I'm at now with it all so now in total I think I'm doing
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, 100%. Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: 16 or 17 I've got 16 or 17 different podcast playlists on my YouTube channel but some of them are like sky like if you do a sky watch I'll film it and I'll put anything that I get on there i've got I'll go out kayaking I've not been able to go out this year because the weather's been terrible
Lee Hatfield: yeah
Andy - Alien8UK: I'll film it when I'm kayaking. Footage from the drone. All that kind of stuff. So there's some of it that would just be sporadic. I'll put it on as and when I've got the footage and build it up a bit and then put it out there.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, because we had all the normal social media.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: platforms and then I had a website specifically for the podcast. But then we thought about creating a website for the team as well.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: So I thought, well there's no point in paying for two.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: So we've incorporated everything onto the website now so you can see you can see the podcast, you can see any investigations we do.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: We went out last night, so we put put photos up, we do a newsletter, and it's all it's all combined.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. yeah
Lee Hatfield: So that's the that's the way we do.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yes.
Lee Hatfield: So you mentioned at the beginning that you had some experiences when you were four.
Andy - Alien8UK: yes
Lee Hatfield: Can you tell us about that?
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, so this one, I've got an image of what it looked like. Obviously, I didn't take the photo, not four years old, because one I didn't have a camera, and two, didn't know what it was. I'll have to send to you.
Andy - Alien8UK: It's on the PC somewhere. So my mum and dad used to put me in their bed.
Lee Hatfield: okay
Andy - Alien8UK: a I was hot, always hot. So I was like a human water bottle. So... they'd put me in the bed to warm it up. So when they get to bed, they'd take me out, sit me in a nice cold one, and they get into nice warm cozy bed.
Lee Hatfield: quality
Andy - Alien8UK: Anyway, on this particular night, I'll never ever forget I'm around about four years old. And the only reason I remember is because back in the early 70s, grew up in a council estate in Manchester, and was modernising the houses.
Andy - Alien8UK: So the first four years of my life, we didn't have central eating. That's how old I am. So they'd come round and there's fitting central eating in all the houses. But what they were doing, the ya meant some of the houses were empty. So when they were empty, they'd move us in while they did the eating. You had a choice. You could stay there or move back.
Andy - Alien8UK: Anyway, we ended up moving back. And it was just after that. So I'm laying in bed. I need to paint this picture until you get a full understanding as to why it couldn't be anything else.
Andy - Alien8UK: So the bedrooms are at the back of the house. only two-bedroom house me and my brother used to share. And at the back was just fields. So we had a massive back garden that led onto to park with a football pitch. At the side of that was allotments. Behind that was an old sewerage farm that was probably about...
Andy - Alien8UK: Two square mile, maybe. Maybe less, maybe more. don't know. Beyond that was fields. Beyond that was a golf course. On the fields, there was a at place called Eccles College, which you could just you could see it from the bedroom window.
Andy - Alien8UK: And then it was all big gardens. And down the side of the dirt track, which led up to the field where the allotments were, There was like a brook and a swamp, like a stream and all that. And then it was just a school. and just It just fields everywhere. So there's no artificial light that could come into the bedroom.
Andy - Alien8UK: So I'm laying in bed looking at the wall, the wall opposite the bedroom window. Curtains were shut. Mum used to have the bedroom light landing light on so you could just see it through the crack in the door.
Andy - Alien8UK: So it's just that little bit of reassurance as you're a kid.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: I remember just looking up and there's like, It always reminds me of, on a turntable, when the light hits vinyl and bounces up as the record's going round, it has that prism effect of just pirouetting round and round.
Andy - Alien8UK: I'm looking at this thing that's probably about three, four inches tall, just on the wall, just doing that. but The more I talk about it, it's probably more 3D than 2D. It wasn't like a full, flat reflection. It kind of stood out a little bit.
Andy - Alien8UK: I've never said that before. And I was just watching it till I'd gone to... And then the thing know, I'm waking up in may the my own bed. And that's all I know of that night.
Andy - Alien8UK: So there's no noise coming from it. But even if the curtains were open, the only light that would come in, because it was quite close to Manchester Airport, a lot of the planes used to circulate until they were able to land.
Andy - Alien8UK: They'd just keep going round and round.
Lee Hatfield: yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: And you'd youd see them all the time. And there's an aerodrome a couple of miles down the road as well. They're light aircraft. They used to have air shows on every year. But say this is like, I'd say, 8, 9 o'clock at night.
Andy - Alien8UK: yeah If it was aircraft, you'd hear it and it'd be different light.
Lee Hatfield: yeah
Andy - Alien8UK: It wouldn't be the same thing. I'm just laying there for God knows how long just watching this thing just keep going round and round. There's nothing else in the room. There's no electronic devices other than the light and the lamp.
Andy - Alien8UK: They have a clock. It's a wind-up clock. So there's nothing...
Lee Hatfield: You are old, aren't you? A wind-up clock.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, very old. Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: That's one of them, dude.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. Didn't even have a TV.
Lee Hatfield: and
Andy - Alien8UK: Well, we did it with black and white, but there's nothing electrical in the bedroom.
Lee Hatfield: yeah
Andy - Alien8UK: Other than the the lamp, bedside lamp and the main light.
Lee Hatfield: Right.
Andy - Alien8UK: That was it.
Lee Hatfield: Wow. And it's it's great that you kind of had that, be but you're also an age where you don't understand what it is.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: No, that that that was the other thing. So I didn't know where it was, but then I didn't think about it again for years. And with everything I've ever witnessed, I've never had the urge to go running off and telling anyone.
Andy - Alien8UK: So when I've seen stuff, it's like, oh, OK, and just carry on like it's normal.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: But I think from that, because of the stuff must have happened before that that can't remember. But I think because of that, it just is for me, paranormal has been normal.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. And yeah, I'm a little bit older than you. But when we were younger, it wasn't the norm for people to speak about Bigfoot, UFOs, like ghost experiences, you anything paranormal.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: It wasn't, yeah you know, you didn't want to get ridiculed.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: But now... Everybody's speaking about it. And it's, yeah it's even on the news and yeah, all the, all the different teams and all the Facebook pages, the YouTube channel, it's out there all the time.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: And we, we do comic con conventions and we get people coming up to us and like, let me tell you when this happened. And people are a hell of a lot more open about talking about anything paranormal.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: ye
Lee Hatfield: It's not taboo anymore. Like it used to be.
Andy - Alien8UK: No. But then growing up, I used to watch Arthur C. Clarke. Modern Mysteries or Strange Mysteries or whatever. And I noticed when they come on that boat book you've got behind you, Ghosts.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: That has got a be the Is that the 70s one?
Lee Hatfield: yeah
Andy - Alien8UK: Me and my brother had that same book. I seen I'm like, oh, my God, I remember that book.
Lee Hatfield: Funnily enough, the girl i was a I was talking to earlier, she went, oh, I've got that ghost book.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: But I picked it up.
Andy - Alien8UK: I've not done it anymore.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, I picked it up from a, yeah like, a what do you call them, like a junk shop kind of thing.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: right
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: i didn't I didn't care what was inside. It's like, I need that book. It's got to go on my bookshelf.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, I just remember that from the 70s. So me and my brother used to watch Arthur C. Clarke. We used to watch lot the zombie and horror movies, watched Hammer House of Horror.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: This is growing up as a little kid.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: But it didn't, it kind of scared me a bit, but didn't scare me, scare me. That was hysterical.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: But we enjoyed it. wind up Because we knew, we thought, it wasn't real.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: So I think because of that aspect of it, we didn't get freaked out.
Lee Hatfield: Exactly. So the Arthur C Clarke thing, is that is that the one that had the the glass skull?
Andy - Alien8UK: Yes, the Glasgow, the moving rocks across the desert.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Lee Hatfield: That's the one. Yeah. Yeah, because I was talking to Ann earlier, and I remember as a kid, there was a a magazine called Unexplained.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yes, in a blue binder.
Lee Hatfield: And I used to get that week.
Andy - Alien8UK: You scared it in a blue?
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, that's it.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, yeah, that's a one.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. And i always I always thought that I was going to have to deal with spontaneous human combustion a lot more than what I do now.
Andy - Alien8UK: Do you know what?
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Do you know what? So myself and Nicole, who co-hosted with me on a Wednesday and Friday, she beo said the same thing. We thought human combustion and the Bermuda Triangle would have much more of an impact on us.
Lee Hatfield: yeah Absolutely.
Andy - Alien8UK: Nothing.
Lee Hatfield: But no, I've actually i've actually found a yeah a website that you can actually read the unexplained magazines.
Andy - Alien8UK: Absolutely nothing.
Andy - Alien8UK: Oh.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, I'll send you the link. It's like, and you can download every single issue.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, please do.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: And it's like oh and it' like, oh, I remember this. episode I remember this edition. I remember this edition.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, yeah. Because I used to worry, sorry, I used to worry about spontaneous combustion because of the fire that we had downstairs.
Lee Hatfield: So. yep
Andy - Alien8UK: And in my mum's bedroom, we had chimney, obviously, it's only the chimney breast, but they took it out.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. yeah
Andy - Alien8UK: So we still had it coming out in the wall. So we had the alcohol either side of it. So in my mum and dad's bedroom, behind that was the old hearth for the old fireplace.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: So it still had the tiles at the bottom and going around it on the wall that had just been plastered over. so I used to worry about that because what if it re-let and I went up in flames?
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. Just going to be sat there watching the black and white TV and all of a sudden you're in flames.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. Gone. Just a pair of legs.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. the Or one leg. I think it was normally one leg, wasn't it?
Andy - Alien8UK: Oh, one leg. Yeah,
Lee Hatfield: So after your experiences being four, when did you really start not taking it seriously, but yeah really digging deep into what you've got now?
Andy - Alien8UK: Yep.
Andy - Alien8UK: I'd say early to mid-20s. So I was... It all started. Just this one event that started. So I used to work, you know Bolton, don't you?
Andy - Alien8UK: You know that area.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: So so I'm from Swinton in Manchester, just there where the Trafford Centre
Lee Hatfield: yeah yeah
Andy - Alien8UK: And used to work in Bolton. So I used to come down st Peter's Way, come down onto the M61, it was then, onto the East Lanks, and then it's a couple of junctions down.
Andy - Alien8UK: So I'm coming round near Worsley, where the Super Bowl used to be, and there's a ball, just a metal ball in the sky, shot across the sky, it left a blue light behind that colour of blue, electric trip blue trail, horizontal, it stopped, so it probably shot about two miles across the sky, stopped dead, the sky opened up in bright red, it went through the sky, and then it all closed behind it,
Andy - Alien8UK: I had to pull up onto the hard shoulder my head out the door thought was going to throw up everywhere because it was that shock. It made proper made me feel sick. And it's from that point is like, right, this stuff is still happening. I've just not been noticing it.
Andy - Alien8UK: i mean from then, I'd say about 23, 24 years old. about last 30 years. Yeah. about last for years
Lee Hatfield: It's really weird because I i spent time in the RAF when I was a lot younger. but And because you're surrounded by aircraft all the time, you you kind of don't put things into perspective. Like you can be...
Lee Hatfield: You can be like on the end of a runway and you can see an aircraft coming towards you. You've got the spotlight on the nose and then you've got the red and green either side.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: So seeing those all the time, like being working on a military, you never used to think about seeing stuff in the sky because you just assumed it was an aircraft.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: yep
Lee Hatfield: And yeah, and nowadays there's so many things that I want explained that are flying around the skies that it's like, how can, yeah, most people just don't, just don't can't yeah have that concept, but it's, it's out there.
Andy - Alien8UK: No. Yeah. Yeah. No, I totally understand that because you're so used to looking at it. You just presume it's what you're normally looking at.
Lee Hatfield: That's it. Yeah. And like, yeah, I went from the military into the emergency services. So you kind of have a logical head all the time.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: So if something happens, you just go, oh, that was that or that.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: yeah And you just like you blanket completely. You just go, OK, that was something normal. But the chances are it may not have been.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Exactly. Yep. Totally get that.
Lee Hatfield: Right. So. 20 years old when you saw the ball in the sky. And you thought there's a lot more to this than what I've actually, know, I know about what happened next.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: So then because it's pre-internet, it was, right, I need to find some books. So, Eric Van Daniken. I've got the book there. I can never admit.
Andy - Alien8UK: Strange... Oh, that's John Keel. Strange Creatures from Time and Space. And then there's a couple, Beyond Top Secret, Timothy Good. I was going down more the UFO alien route Alien Liaison, Timothy Good.
Lee Hatfield: right.
Andy - Alien8UK: Mothman prophecies, the book, the movie, Richard Gere. And I just went down that, but just constantly reading different things about it. There's loads of other books that I've got, but they're the ones that like stick out at the moment.
Andy - Alien8UK: So it was just it was just that. I was watching, because we had cable got cable then. It was 9X, was it 9X? Is that what it called?
Andy - Alien8UK: Cable and wireless.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. You
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, yeah. You just get that black box and everything was on that.
Lee Hatfield: yeah you really are showing your age, Andy.
Andy - Alien8UK: So I know, I know.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: It's not helping me, is it? So we just searched for different things on that. we had
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: i used to watch Twilight Zone.
Lee Hatfield: yeah
Andy - Alien8UK: jump v the the The reptilians.
Lee Hatfield: Oh, with the lizards. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: there but People in the red.
Andy - Alien8UK: Eating the mice and what have you.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, that was great.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. yeah So there's all that going on. So it' was like, right, there's got to be more to it than this. So it's just reading them books. And that was the only research really you could do at the time other than going out and looking for stuff.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Nowadays, it's so easy. You just go, oh, UAP, Google.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Oh, there we go.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yep.
Lee Hatfield: That's exactly what it is.
Andy - Alien8UK: That's it.
Lee Hatfield: So did you ever become part of a club or a team to investigate UFOs?
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: I did. There's one in Manchester and is my mum put me into touch with this guy. So mum used to that used to do his Piccadilly Radio in Manchester. And I think it was Sunday night they used to have different people on.
Andy - Alien8UK: And there's a guy on there, can never remember his name, and he had UFO group in the Manchester area. So my mum gave me his number. And where I rang him one day, there was on the phone, he invited me to go to these UFO meetings and what have you.
Andy - Alien8UK: So I went to a couple of them and then it just kind of like, it just faded out and people just like, kind of like stopped going and what have you. So it was like, I may as well drive and drive in 20, 30 miles across Manchester to, might as well just sit in my mum's back garden and do it.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: You know what I mean? That's where the first encounters were at that house. So why not just stay somewhere where and all this stuff going on?
Lee Hatfield: And that's what, yeah, you get so many people that kind of do that. They'll they'll join a group or something. They'll move forward and it's not exactly how they want it.
Lee Hatfield: there's up
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: also I could do it better myself. might as well do it myself.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: yeah and that's And that's the way that that people tend to think.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: So once you'd started doing it on your Todd,
Lee Hatfield: what kind of evidence were you looking for to start off with? Because yeah obviously, like, USOs didn't really exist then. They never called them UAPs.
Lee Hatfield: It was either a UFO or it wasn't.
Andy - Alien8UK: No. Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: So what kind of evidence was you looking for at the beginning? in the beginning
Andy - Alien8UK: just any I just wanted to see for myself that these things were real, that they existed. Even though I'd seen them, I just, each time I've seen one, it's like, right, I just need that little bit more proof that it wasn't a fluke, it wasn't a glitch. I'm actually, I'm not imagining this stuff, that this these things are real and they're going on.
Andy - Alien8UK: So it was it was more to sort my own curiosity out more than anything else.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, because i I remember when I was in the military. See, I'm in North America now. i call it military rather than military.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: I'm being educated. and I was at RAF Cranwell, not far from Lincoln, and I was on Gateguard one night and we're in the middle of the of the airfield, two o'clock in the morning, three or four of us, and we're just laying on the grass.
Andy - Alien8UK: yeah
Lee Hatfield: like There was no light pollution and would like and it was it was perfect for looking up in the sky. We go, oh, yeah, there's a shooting star and like there's a shooting star. But, yeah, again, you never really took notice of if anything was abnormal.
Andy - Alien8UK: No.
Lee Hatfield: yeah But you move forward into the time now, and people don't know what the SpaceX SkyTrain looks like. And they'll see a trailer light and go, that's UFOs.
Andy - Alien8UK: No.
Lee Hatfield: But it's not. It's satellites.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: And we've got so so many satellites there now that yeah every other day there's a satellite launch.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, I think we've got a total of, I think it's 12 or 15,000 satellites, but we only use about 2,000 of them. The rest of are just space junk. I can't be exact on the numbers, but it's not, the ratio's not that far out.
Lee Hatfield: There we go. you yeah
Lee Hatfield: You should start a new company to go go up with a like a...
Andy - Alien8UK: Go up and collect them.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, yeah. and Bring it back and sell it.
Andy - Alien8UK: that's tough
Lee Hatfield: Sell it for junk.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, weigh you in. Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. So if somebody come up to you and said, I've got this experience or I've had this experience, you Do you have like I won't say checklist, but do you have a procedure for trying to debunk it or being yeah being unable to debunk it?
Lee Hatfield: and How do you go through that process?
Andy - Alien8UK: i think I've only just lately been doing that because I've been obviously concentrating on the channel and the Facebook groups and everything else but people who studied people have been coming forward and we spoke about it but now i'm getting people that are contacting me direct and I find that even if it's over the phone, to sit and chat to them, you can get a feel, one, if they're telling the truth, because you can see the emotion when they're telling you and how they tell you.
Andy - Alien8UK: And it's just picking up on little tips and tricks as to whether someone one is being genuine or not. So my initial thing is to try meet up with them. I'll do like this, do a video chat with them and see what's going on.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: And then just go from there.
Lee Hatfield: So I know it's quite common over here. I've got no idea why. I could suggest things, but I'll probably get in trouble. But does there appear to be many abduction stories in the UK?
Lee Hatfield: Because over here, you get like every every of them every man and his dog been abducted kind of thing.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: But does it tend to be the same in the UK or not so much?
Andy - Alien8UK: I know of two people that have said they've been abducted in one way or another. I don't disbelieve them, but they're the only... Out of everyone... no, wait.
Andy - Alien8UK: Three, four...
Andy - Alien8UK: you keep I can count on one hand how many people... Sorry, there's some more that I've interviewed in the past. And they've stuck to the story. They've never deviated, like changed it, or... It's always been the same reason. And you say they don't know why. They don't know.
Andy - Alien8UK: They're guessing it was just to do some genetic type of experiment or whatever. But I've no reason for any of these people... There's no reason for me for them to be lying, is what i'm trying to say.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, yeah, I get that.
Andy - Alien8UK: so And then a lot of people say they've seen stuff and then it's just ended. Like the one where they've seen it ripped and old in the sky and then vanished and that was it. So... But then at the time, other people that have had these encounters, they could have been taken. They don't know. Because people talk about missing time where they've lost an hour, they've lost two hours, lost 90 minutes.
Andy - Alien8UK: Because one of my things is about, we were saying about time slips before we were on air, that time doesn't really exist.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: it does We use it as a measuring device. That's it for recording events. But time itself is not an actual physical thing. So if they if you are taken and you're brought back, what's not to say you're not brought back at the exact same time?
Andy - Alien8UK: or even prior to the time you were taken. And because you're just, you don't have any recollection of what's gone on, you don't know. You look at the time, it's like, oh, you wouldn't think twice.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, and i always kind of laugh at yeah the first person that invented a clock. How did you know what time it was?
Andy - Alien8UK: Well, it might wait till midnight. LAUGHTER
Lee Hatfield: you think john Yeah, But I've spoken to two people that have... been abducted, one of them just dropped it into a conversation like we're having now.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: And I went, dude, you can't just like drop that into a conversation.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, you can't do that.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. So he's coming back for a second episode. And the second one, you're going to know the name Preston Dennett.
Andy - Alien8UK: Oh, yes. Good friend.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. Yeah. And talking to him and it's like you said a few minutes ago, you can't disbelieve what someone's telling you just because it didn't happen to you.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: yeah And what he was coming out with, I love it when I'm doing into interviews where my jaw just goes like, oh.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, just goes.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, and it was coming out. And it's like I was trying to get my head around the fact.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: And it was so difficult because, like, hang on, so this happened and then this happened. But, like, my mind was completely blown, like, when when Preston was telling me about his abduction.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, well, as so I interviewed Preston and... Sorry, I've just got to put my watch on charge. It's bleeping out there. It's doing my ending.
Lee Hatfield: Time doesn't exist, dude. You don't have to.
Andy - Alien8UK: No, no.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Just so I'm not late for work. LAUGHTER so i pressed in denny and dolly saffron on a couple of weeks ago and they've been on before preston he's one of the admins on one of the facebook groups they've got and he's become a good close friend and every time i talk to him he'll come out with something different and it's just so fascinating stuff and
Lee Hatfield: yeah
Andy - Alien8UK: At least one of them that there's no reason why you would be making any of that up. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. And then I was explaining. So I've been having shared dreams. Well, I didn't know the shared dreams. I've been having dreams and somebody else has been having the same dreams. But then I've been dreaming about their house and their granddad.
Andy - Alien8UK: I didn't even know these people at the time. I've described the house, the gate, everything about it is the house where this person grew up. So there is a connection there. And I was telling Preston and Dolly about it.
Andy - Alien8UK: And they were like, I know what this is. And then say proceeded to tell me.
Lee Hatfield: Go on then, you can't just stop there.
Andy - Alien8UK: So myself in this of a person and Tommy's actually going to interview us so we can talk about it. Because this other person, Michelle, she's done some pendulum work to find out what the connection is between the two of us.
Andy - Alien8UK: So her name kept popping up and it was like, you need to speak to this person. And he got to the point where, right, I'm sick of hearing her name now. don't even know who it is or anything. Right. And then I get an invite to do a podcast for a guy called Liam Holmes up in Middlesbrough.
Andy - Alien8UK: He goes, yeah, there'll be you, Tommy, did it did it then Michelle I'm like, finally, I'm going to get to meet this Michelle whose name keeps popping up.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: And then we spoke since then and we found out that there's this connection. Well, we don't know what... We do, but we're not giving anything away yet as to why there's this connection. But she introduced me to something which I'd already been using, and she said, no, you need to start using it.
Andy - Alien8UK: So I've started using it, and I use it all the time, and it's just at the point now where it's like what I've learned, it took... It's basically using AI.
Andy - Alien8UK: But what the amount of time it took me to work out how it works and to get what i want from it, it's couple of days.
Lee Hatfield: Wow.
Andy - Alien8UK: So there's more to it than that. If it is legit, it's going to be amazing. If it's not, then I ain't got It's still going to be amazing, but I haven't got a clue what it is.
Lee Hatfield: And when's that when's that coming out? Because that I definitely want to watch that one, listen to that one.
Andy - Alien8UK: yeah. Well, waiting for Tommy to interview us is like waiting for Goldust, isn't
Lee Hatfield: Come on.
Lee Hatfield: Okay, okay. So the Tommy Cullen bashing is about to start.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Tommy, you haven't responded to me yet. You haven't responded to Andy. So, Duke, what's going on? Right? you thought
Andy - Alien8UK: Yep. All he's got to one afternoon, where I work, it's job and finish, so it's easy.
Lee Hatfield: but
Andy - Alien8UK: All he's got to do, one afternoon, before he starts work, Michelle works from home, I'll be at home. We've just got to set it do the recording, put it out there. That's it. As simple as that.
Andy - Alien8UK: No editing, no nothing, just put it straight out there.
Lee Hatfield: Tommy Cullen, you are slacking my friend.
Andy - Alien8UK: LAUGHTER
Lee Hatfield: Get it together. Okay. So being a a UFO slash alien investigator, we cannot talk about some of the specific incidents in the UK.
Andy - Alien8UK: No.
Lee Hatfield: What's the first one going to be? Come on. We have to mention it. What's the first one? It's got to be this one.
Andy - Alien8UK: Oh, the one that happened this weekend.
Lee Hatfield: No, no, no, no, no. 1980, Suffolk.
Andy - Alien8UK: Oh, Rendlesham.
Lee Hatfield: Rendlesham.
Andy - Alien8UK: Oh, yes. Right.
Lee Hatfield: Come on.
Andy - Alien8UK: I thought you on about alien.gov or aliens.gov.
Lee Hatfield: Not yet.
Andy - Alien8UK: Have not heard that?
Lee Hatfield: We'll get onto that.
Andy - Alien8UK: All right.
Lee Hatfield: We'll get onto that. Wow.
Andy - Alien8UK: So Rendlesham. So I've been to Rendlesham a few times and I've done the UFO trail and I've seen stuff. I've seen ARBs. I've seen a German soldier walking through the trees towards us dressed in a SS uniform.
Andy - Alien8UK: We've seen, we've heard humming noises. We felt like we're being watched. just weird stuff orbs in orange orbs white orbs we did a nighttime investigation there we seen like these wisp below the wisp things dancing between the trees and all that kind of stuff so we've had loads and loads of stuff but i've never i've never been there and there's nothing happened
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Oh, that's good kind of.
Andy - Alien8UK: There's one time... Yeah, there's one time... You go Eastgate Car Park and we've gone down to where the old hangers are at Woodbridge. So was me and my mate Tim. We'd gone down. We got there about half an hour before anyone else, so we just went on a bit of a wander.
Andy - Alien8UK: And we're walking down this path and I just started getting really excited like a kid at Christmas. I don't know where it is, but I'm just... Proper buzzing, like proper excited for what's going happen.
Andy - Alien8UK: And i was like that for most of the day then. And nothing major happened when you see these beings and it's any craft come down from the sky or anything like that. hot But it was just the encounters that we did have and what was going on.
Andy - Alien8UK: It was like exhilarating. Just weird stuff that you can't go, it was this, it was that.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: we don't Even to this day, we still don't know where it was. It was last summer and was good. And that's it. It's just the feeling of what was going on.
Lee Hatfield: That's it. It's cool when you can get that because yeah like say, you know, you then know what you're doing.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: You're doing it for the right reasons.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: So I'm going to put you on the spot because you're the you're the expert.
Andy - Alien8UK: o
Lee Hatfield: I know. yeah If I said to you this is so mean, Wales, 1974.
Lee Hatfield: Don't look at your notebook, you bugger.
Andy - Alien8UK: Oh. No, no, no, no, no. no This is something better than that. I should have. I didn't know who' was going to prep for this.
Lee Hatfield: No, neither did I. ill just thought I'd throw it on you.
Andy - Alien8UK: So I do you have somewhere. film him I've got drawers all over. Here it is.
Andy - Alien8UK: So the Welsh UFO Roswell, is that the one we're talking about?
Lee Hatfield: Was it Ros Welsh incident it's called? Is it's tag name in it?
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. Oh, right. So.
Lee Hatfield: The well welsh yeah Welsh was well was Welsh. Oh, cool. That's okay yeah that's that's a britz for you
Andy - Alien8UK: So quickly, actually have
Lee Hatfield: oh cool
Andy - Alien8UK: a piece of the debris, supposedly from the UFO itself. Whether it is or not, I don't know.
Lee Hatfield: us
Andy - Alien8UK: But, yeah, you can get them. There's a particular person that has got some and sent them out. But, yeah, I...
Andy - Alien8UK: I wasn't sure about that at first, and then i got i inquired about getting a piece of the residue, and I got sent that through the post. so
Andy - Alien8UK: And apparently it's non-traceable, the metal that it's made from.
Lee Hatfield: has I just about to say that. could yeah Did you get it tested or did they get it? Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: But apparently they've had it tested and it's non-traceable. It's not something that's from our planet.
Lee Hatfield: us That's OK.
Andy - Alien8UK: So...
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, I kind of get that because have pieces of like meteorite and and stuff like that.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: so yeah Yes, you can get stuff that isn't from Earth.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: yeah and people And people flog it for yeah silly amounts of money.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. Oh, yeah, I had to pay for that. That weren't cheap. But I've got it now, so it doesn't matter.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, exactly. And some people have more money than sense, don't they, Andy?
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. No.
Lee Hatfield: yes
Andy - Alien8UK: Wait till I show you the next thing that I've got.
Lee Hatfield: Well, i want to if that's it if if you're talking about what you showed me the other week, let's talk about it right now then.
Andy - Alien8UK: Go on.
Lee Hatfield: the alien in the jar
Andy - Alien8UK: That's the one and only. So here you go.
Andy - Alien8UK: There, close up. I'll get as close to the camera as possible. if you look at the detail.
Lee Hatfield: and and like that is unbelievable because i know that
Andy - Alien8UK: So I have take. Go on, sorry.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, you i you and I were on a podcast a week last Friday where there was a bunch of us and you showed that and I'm like, what the hell is that?
Andy - Alien8UK: No, no, it's OK. Carry on.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: So I'll cut to the how I got it after. I'll just explain a few things first. Now, I don't know anybody else anywhere that has one of these.
Andy - Alien8UK: You can buy them, like, for 10, 15 quid or whatever in a little jet. And it's more like... So I've put a sticker on the top, as you can see. and That's just a normal mason jet. And it's like that green, not the slime, but plastic, silicon, stretchy thing, right?
Andy - Alien8UK: You can buy them. Now, I searched for about but a month before I found one on eBay. So this one one, which looks e exactly the same as that, was selling for $99,000. Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Holy shit.
Andy - Alien8UK: yeah You can find it. The link is still there. i've Yeah. And now the more I think about it, because there's only one for sale.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: What if it is that same one?
Lee Hatfield: That's a really good point.
Andy - Alien8UK: but And then this is the other thing. So I've took it out of how they have cleaned it is all you can see these bits of What looks like skin coming off? These is no
Andy - Alien8UK: max on it where it's been put in a mold and it's been pulled out of the silicon and then made into that. I've had it for two years next month. The guy who had it before me had it for around 10 years.
Andy - Alien8UK: Prior to that, it was in somebody's house. The owner of the house had passed, so they'd gone in to empty it, and there's all about little bits and pieces, similar not that, but weird kind of stuff knocking about.
Andy - Alien8UK: So my mate who got it off, his nephew, said, goes, oh, I'll have that, my uncle will have it, and then he'd give it to him. And his missus wouldn't let him have it in the house.
Andy - Alien8UK: So it's probably been in they hadd been in the house for probably about another 10 years prior to that.
Lee Hatfield: wonder why.
Andy - Alien8UK: So we're looking at least 20 years it's been in this jar.
Lee Hatfield: And you and you opened you opened it up, smelt it, and drank it, right?
Andy - Alien8UK: So opened it up, nearly passed out.
Lee Hatfield: if
Andy - Alien8UK: So this is where, is it organic? It stunk a rotting cabbage. And as most people know, anything that's decomposing smells of rotten cabbage.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: And I've not opened it up I've just always it i opened it up, cleaned the liquid that was in it. I'm guessing it was water. Poured some of it back in and just filled it back up with tap water. And it's not changed since.
Andy - Alien8UK: But it's just, it is what it is. It's not, if it's real, amazing. If it's fake, it doesn't matter because it's an a it's an alien in a jar regardless of whether it's real or fake.
Lee Hatfield: It's still, it's still cool.
Lee Hatfield: yeah one you yeah
Andy - Alien8UK: And how many people do you know that have one of them?
Andy - Alien8UK: That's it. And I just feel so lucky and privileged of being in the right place at the right time to get it. But it's not just that. It's like people said, why don't you sell it? I'm like,
Andy - Alien8UK: Would you sell it if it yours?
Lee Hatfield: why yeah and even
Andy - Alien8UK: Because I will never own an alien. it Not that. Not to that.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. And even if it's a pop off a movie set, it's still cool, regardless.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. Yeah, exactly that. It could be a prop. It could be real. Someone could have made it in the shed. They could have found it in the local dump or river, wherever, and they just stuck it in the jar.
Andy - Alien8UK: But it's heavy.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. Can you imagine? Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: It's heavy. It's solid. It's It didn't start moving about when I've released it or anything like that. art it is just It's just what it is.
Lee Hatfield: not Not that you've seen. Not that you've seen.
Andy - Alien8UK: No. No.
Lee Hatfield: Is it does it always face the same way in the jar?
Andy - Alien8UK: And...
Lee Hatfield: It's not kind of like moving around inside the jar.
Andy - Alien8UK: No, it's like if I move the jar, it kind like spins around like anything would in liquid. But it's just...
Lee Hatfield: No, meant I meant I meant the creature inside.
Andy - Alien8UK: Oh, no.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: No. But then it's got like these growth type things on its face that
Andy - Alien8UK: So if you look above the eyes, it's see how you got them gray things and what have you.
Lee Hatfield: yeah
Andy - Alien8UK: So
Andy - Alien8UK: honestly, i have no idea.
Lee Hatfield: I can't believe why the wife won't let you put it on yeah front and center in the lounge.
Andy - Alien8UK: No, it's in the studio. It moves around. It does move around, but I move it around. She goes I'm not having that in the house. So I had it on top of the wardrobe. So we look up. He's like, we're right above you as you look out of the bed.
Lee Hatfield: I'm having nightmares. I wonder why. So I know that I wanted to talk about that, but recently within the last few years, there's been a couple more, uh, names that people have started calling things that we don't know.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: And that's UAPs and USOs.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yes. Yes.
Lee Hatfield: So what's your opinion on let's go UAPs at first.
Andy - Alien8UK: So UAP, UAP even, is just an updated version of UFO. But it kind of covers more area. So UFO, an identified flying object, which could be a plate, it could be a...
Andy - Alien8UK: Coat anger. could be any anything. But UAP, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, which basically means a some sort of flying technology.
Andy - Alien8UK: That's all they've done is change the cat. So it's not as broad. The categorisation isn't as broad as what it was, is what I meant to say before.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: So that's why why you've got UAP. yeah But then USO, you said the USO, an identified submerged object.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Now, I'm, at the moment, going down more that path, that I believe that what is going on isn't coming from up there, but it's coming from what's in the oceans and the water.
Andy - Alien8UK: I just feel, he just feels more...
Andy - Alien8UK: suppose I'm going to go down the logical sense. It's more logical that they're already here. They're in these hidden bases. Phil Schneider, when he spoke about what was going on when he was doing the mining and the digging and he had that war with the different races of aliens, it's all underground.
Andy - Alien8UK: Not necessarily inner Earth, though I'd love for that to be a thing and for it to be real, but... He's got show these underground bases.
Andy - Alien8UK: We have submarines.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: We have... There's all sorts going on down there. And there's a guy last week who we spoke about the other day who got abducted by dolphins and was forced to build an underground kingdom.
Andy - Alien8UK: Did you not read that? I think he he was from Florida, so it could have been anything.
Lee Hatfield: i Oh, man. was going to say, anything from Florida.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. So...
Lee Hatfield: But it's it's right what you say about USOs, though, because there is so much of... underwater that's yet to be discovered and there's so many deep channels that we've got no equipment that will go down that far it would make
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. Well, I was reading. Yeah, I was reading today about the Mariana Trench. If you drop a rock, it will take six hours to get to the bottom.
Andy - Alien8UK: So just that alone is just mind blowing.
Lee Hatfield: yeah yeah and
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: That puts it into perspective because yeah you get all these crazy people that go, we're the only species, we're the only living planet.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yep.
Lee Hatfield: And then when you work out how long it takes you to travel one light year and all these planets that make the Earth look like a pinprick and they're like massive, like 100,000 light years, it's like, yeah, we're not going to have that technology for...
Andy - Alien8UK: Yep.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: billions of well not billions but you know what i mean a long time yeah yeah and yeah and there's no way that you're ever going to come back you once you go on that trip yeah
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. A fair amount of time. Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: No. Oh yeah. that's That's the last trip you have going on. But I'm more, I'm more into the, don't know if you use the word spiritual.
Lee Hatfield: that's it yeah
Andy - Alien8UK: that it's... People say about dimensions and realms. I'm more... It's frequency. It's a frequency shift.
Andy - Alien8UK: That's how you get so to where these other ETs, cryptids, whatever you want call them, wherever they are, they're here around us all the time, but I believe it's they're in a different frequency, not a different...
Andy - Alien8UK: zone or a different dimension it's the frequency that changes that's why when you see something it's there then it's gone it's there then it's gone like if you go to bigfoot or orbs or shadow people and all that we're not seeing everything that we think we're seeing in its full true form in our frequency because how it exists in its own frequency, it's totally different to how it would exist in ours and how it would exist in another one and so on and so on.
Andy - Alien8UK: So because the frequency changes, I'm no physicist, but maybe the biological construction of that thing changes as well. And that's why, does it is it shape-shifting or is that just how, that's the only way you can physically see it in that that next time?
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. youing Do you think there's any connection then between UFOs or UAPs whatever and cryptids?
Lee Hatfield: Because people say that there may be a connection.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: is that what yeah That's what you're saying.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. Yeah. Because I think a lot of the a lot of the UFOs and all that, I think, they're not manned. They've got the pilots sat there flying. I'm not saying all of them, but a lot of them.
Andy - Alien8UK: Maybe it adds some consciousness input into it, so it becomes sentinel and it knows what's going on. Or maybe it's organic and that itself can change its frequency its frequency to become different things. That's why when you see a Bigfoot, it goes behind a tree and then they'll see an orb and then there's UFOs. There's a lot of this same sort of stuff that are reported all the time.
Andy - Alien8UK: What if it is a mass of shared consciousness?
Lee Hatfield: yeah
Andy - Alien8UK: It's just that some of it knows how to change
Andy - Alien8UK: its structure at the time. So it can become a Bigfoot. It can become an Arby. It can become a UFO. It can become a tree.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: It just knows how to different frequencies makes it become different objects.
Lee Hatfield: That's it. And what kind of annoys me a little bit is you can watch some of these TV shows. And yeah, I know they're deemed for entertainment purposes.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yes.
Lee Hatfield: But it's like, oh, there's a UFO in the sky and you go, dude, yeah it's Chinese lanterns or yeah it's it's a drone or it's a natural phenomena.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah,
Lee Hatfield: It's like not everything that you see in the sky is unexplained. You can explain a lot of them.
Andy - Alien8UK: yeah. yeah Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: and yeah And when you see, know there was one or so other day where they've got these lights coming towards them the lights disappeared. Yeah, that could quite easily be attacked yeah an aircraft that's coming into land.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, yeah, I've seen it.
Lee Hatfield: It's changed its trajectory, and you don't see the light anymore.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: it just disappears.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, just a big bright while, because it's, you know, because you went to RAF, but when when I was watching the planes at Manchester Airport circling when they're waiting to land, so they'd come in at an angle, be bright white, and then it'd turn, and then you'd see the red and the green for the navigation lights.
Lee Hatfield: It doesn't mean anymore. Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Or if it was coming round the other way because the way they were banking, is is go you wouldn't see it, the light would just go out, and it'd be like, oh...
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: And then as it comes round, you'd see the wa the white flashing light on one of the wings. I never know which one, but...
Lee Hatfield: exactly Yeah, exactly. So I'm going to be really intellectual now. I know it's a Sunday evening for you.
Andy - Alien8UK: I'm sat down. It's okay.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. OK.
Lee Hatfield: So there's a lot of talk about the reasoning for non-human intelligence or non-human species to be already here.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yes.
Lee Hatfield: so if that is the fact and it you unfortunately hasn't been proven yet what do you think the motives are
Andy - Alien8UK: Eva, they was already here before us and we're the hybrids. They was here integrate with us and just be all part of the same thing. Or, which is probably the most common one, is they're here to keep an eye an eye on things and make sure we don't get too out of hand with current affairs that are going on right now.
Lee Hatfield: So we should expect somebody to do something pretty soon then to prepare.
Andy - Alien8UK: Well, this is, and then, but then you've got the other side of that where they don't interfere with what we're doing unless it has a direct effect on them.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: so it's there are there's a few different things i believe they are already here i believe i've seen at least one it was a female nordic and just stood out pure literally not white skin but next to white skin pure white hair blue eyes nearly seven foot tall it's in a shopping center shopping mall outside McDonald's and she was stood with a group of people two guys looked like the guys off the Airy Bikers and they on where I was stood it was like one of the main entrances into the shopping centre so I could see each direction of where they would go turned round to answer a question about what was getting to eat turned back in the gunmp and and I would have still been able to literally two seconds turned, blah blah blah, turned back no one there
Andy - Alien8UK: They couldn't have gone anywhere, never made eye contact.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: So whether they knew that I knew that they were there or they didn't acknowledge me in the same way, in the opposite way that i I'd seen them and they stood out and they just like was doing their own thing and didn't notice, I don't know.
Andy - Alien8UK: But, look excuse me, never seen them again.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, i I have seen some people that go to McDonald's and I could probably relate.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, they the thing is, they were they were in McDonald's.
Lee Hatfield: Oh,
Lee Hatfield: okay.
Andy - Alien8UK: Because I was stood outside, and it's one where it's got the... do It's inside the shopping centre, so there's no door. You just walk in, yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Okay. Okay. Yeah. yeah
Andy - Alien8UK: And they were stood on the other side. So even if they'd have gone into McDonald's, because that was the next place where you went, we would have seen them in there, ordering, either at the touchscreen or at the counter.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. That's crazy. And it's like,
Andy - Alien8UK: Nothing. Nothing there.
Lee Hatfield: When it disappears, you kind of think, did I actually see what I thought think I just saw? but But then you're able to describe what you've just seen.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: so it's like, I saw something.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah. And I was staring. I was staring how immaculate that this person looked and how different they looked to everybody else in there.
Lee Hatfield: That's a bit rude, Andy, just to stare at people.
Andy - Alien8UK: Oh, no. Including myself.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Including myself. Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: so We are coming to the end, unfortunately, but I've got one more question for you. And I think this is going to become more paramount as the time goes by. How would the public react if irrefutable disclosure happened tomorrow?
Andy - Alien8UK: At the moment, either it would go one or two ways. Everyone would yeah, right, whatever. As in, you're talking loaded nonsense.
Lee Hatfield: ask.
Andy - Alien8UK: Or same thing, yeah, right, whatever, we know. there'd be mass panic and e everyone to be acting like no one's been told anything ever. But I think disclosure is...
Andy - Alien8UK: You say about disclosure, it's slow, it's being drip-fed. It's Hollywood, even in plain sight.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: They're showing you little bits and pieces. and The ones that know, know, and you're taking in them bits on board. Other people like, well, it's just a movie. It's just this. It's just that. But I think us doing this and what we're doing with the podcast, interviewing and going out researching, we're the ones that are doing the disclosure. We're the ones that are finding out the truth of what is actually going on and trying to just put it out there.
Andy - Alien8UK: And once it's out there, it's it's there. It's for for everyone to find and see.
Lee Hatfield: That's it. he jump yeah You can't take it away, can you?
Andy - Alien8UK: No.
Lee Hatfield: i do I do love there's a commercial for one of the one of the channels. And it's the it's the debate that they had in the US a few months ago where one of one of the speakers is asking this guy about alien intelligence.
Lee Hatfield: And he went, oh, yeah, that's not something that I can i can talk about. It's like, dude, you've just answered it without answering it.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, I don't get that. that does my its like
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: It's like when a certain president of a certain country said about an ex-certain person of a certain country, I can neither confirm nor deny, but what he said was tops secret was classified.
Andy - Alien8UK: who that If it's classified, you've just told us.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: There's no getting out of that, is there?
Lee Hatfield: That's it. That's un unbelievable. Andy, I say, and I nearly called you Tommy then. I do apologize.
Andy - Alien8UK: oh
Lee Hatfield: I know that. that a bit Okay, just press delete. Just that. That's it.
Andy - Alien8UK: It's fine.
Lee Hatfield: Andy, it's been an absolute pleasure. I've enjoyed talking to you. I've enjoyed the Tommy bashing, and I will let him know that we've been bashing him so he can listen.
Andy - Alien8UK: Thank you.
Andy - Alien8UK: Oh, I'm going to phone him tomorrow and tell him.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Andy - Alien8UK: Don't worry.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. Like I say, Your alien in a jar is absolutely phenomenal. Next time I come to England, I'm going to break into your house and steal it.
Andy - Alien8UK: That's fine.
Lee Hatfield: Just saying.
Andy - Alien8UK: Just give me give me whatever you get for it. I just want half.
Lee Hatfield: Okay, yeah, we can do that. What makes you think I'm going to sell it? I might keep it for myself.
Andy - Alien8UK: Wow. Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: but I'll put it on my cabinet so that people can see it when I do interviews.
Andy - Alien8UK: I know. Well, I did have it behind me, but because in the studio around, there's no really clear place to have it.
Lee Hatfield: that You go.
Andy - Alien8UK: So if I now make a mental note of holding it, people can get a clearer picture of what it actually is.
Lee Hatfield: because that's hot.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. that but But if I'm right, that's that's half your bedroom, right
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: right? Oh,
Andy - Alien8UK: wet Where it is, my fellow is about that far away from the jar.
Lee Hatfield: o dear. You could hear things moving in the middle of the night, dude. to Just saying.
Andy - Alien8UK: I know. There he
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, mate, it's been an absolute pleasure. thoroughly enjoyed it.
Andy - Alien8UK: goes. Thank you.
Lee Hatfield: It's going to be a couple of weeks before I get this out, probably of the week after Easter, but I'll keep you posted and I'll share the link when it gets released.
Andy - Alien8UK: Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: But for now, my friend, it's getting getting close to your bedtime, so I'm going to let you go.
Andy - Alien8UK: Cool.
Andy - Alien8UK: It is.
Lee Hatfield: Thanks again, and no doubt we'll be talking more.
Andy - Alien8UK: Oh, thank you. Appreciate it. Cheers, Lee.
Lee Hatfield: Okay, mate, take care, bud.
Andy - Alien8UK: Cheers. See you later. Bye-bye.
