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S2 E19 Tommy Cullum - Lets Get Freaky Podcast
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This week i am delighted to have the return of Tommy Cullum, host of Let's Get Freaky podcast.
We were going to talk about Flower arranging, but Tommy wasn't keen
From seeing floating buildings in the sky, to the release of UFO Files, UFO Whistleblowers and the stories going around about missing UFO related Scientists.
Tommy then told me about his friend seeing a Reptilian on the London Underground and when with his Mother in law, seeing mutating silvery flying objects.
We then discussed the recent controversy of the Patterson Gimlin film, Is Pattie real or Fake?
We finished off, by me asking Tommy about what he had learnt in the 4 years of the Lets get Freaky Podcast, apparently nothing :)
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Intro
Reunion and Humorous Anecdotes
00:00:11
Speaker
Hello, everybody, and welcome to the latest episode of SEPA Paranormal Chronicles. I absolutely hate this guy because people say he's better looking than me. but i don't know Let's just not argue about that.
00:00:28
Speaker
This non-ginger English person is better than the ginger. it so Anyway, Tommy Cullen, host of Let's Get Sticky Tommy, my friend, good to see you again.
00:00:39
Speaker
How are you, my brother? I'm excited to be back. Thank you so much. Yeah, me and Tommy have been, like, messaging each other for the last two days. it's like It's like coming out on your first date. Yeah. It's sort like, I'm so excited. It's like, I'll go out and wear a red rose if you carry a newspaper on your first date.
00:00:58
Speaker
It's been too long, man. So I've been so excited for this. It has. So I'm ready to bring the freaky to you, man. Yeah, you obviously need a very sheltered life. I do. Yeah. I don't get out much. So tonight we've got a couple of subjects, but Tommy said he's going to speak about anything. So flower arranging, Tommy.
00:01:20
Speaker
I mean, I'm not the best it. I mean, you you look at my garden right now, it's not in the best state. So but it's probably not my forte, to be honest. It's still spring. It's still spring. It is still spring, but the grass is ready to be cut.
00:01:33
Speaker
what Really? have we value We've only just got rid of our snow. so really oh See, I would love that. The grass is getting big now in the yeah UK. were're We're getting close to that lawnmower stage. Yeah, but you wouldn't because at a certain point it's called snert, which is like yeah soil and and snow and dirt and snow all mixed together. And it's like, no, it's really and then it gets like icy chunks that's not the fun part. but Yeah. yeah The deep and crisp and even for Christmas, that's great. But the rest of it can it just suck. Yeah, to be honest, Christmas is the time it should snow. That's the best time. yeah Build a snowman, white Christmas. Yeah, absolutely. right yeah Our canal freezes over so we can go skating and stuff like that. Oh, that sounds beautiful. You're going to to come in the winter, mate. you can know I'm coming, man. We were talking before. i'm I'm coming over and I'm not leaving. I'm staying. I've already pre-alerted the people that need to know. so
00:02:29
Speaker
ah you Are you allergic to latex? Just throwing there. I don't think so. i mean, I'm not sure. i don't think so, though We'll find out. We'll find out. Let's
Childhood UFO Encounter
00:02:41
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go. Okay, so we were speaking offline and were speaking a couple of days ago.
00:02:47
Speaker
Last time we spoke about your podcast and your paranormal experiences, but then you enlightened me to tell me that you'd so you've had some power some UFO experience as well. So let's start off with that, and then we'll see how this crazy episode starts.
00:03:05
Speaker
Let's go. We've gone from flower engine to... ufos um we haven't We haven't started the Andy Booth backing yet. so Oh, that's coming. That's coming. Don't worry about that. That is coming.
00:03:17
Speaker
ah So, yeah, I mean, I've had quite a lot of weird stuff happen, to be honest. You know, there's been quite a lot. When I look back and I think about the things I've experienced, it's been quite a lot, you know, and it's probably why I do a paranormal podcast like yourself. Because I think when you have these experiences, know,
00:03:34
Speaker
It's undeniable to us, you know, I know we, I still try and remain skeptical. And the more, the more I do the podcast, actually, the the more I try and become a little bit more skeptical. Cause you know, at the start I was like, I believe everything, you know, and and I know not everything out there is true, you know, but I've seen a lot of weird stuff myself. you know, um and and with the UFOs, um' I've always been interested with UFOs since I was a kid, obviously, like all aspects of the paranormal, but I've always been, you know, I've always, especially now, I'm always looking up and trying to see something, you know, and I think when you look up at the sky quite a lot, you are, you know, you you you probably are going to see something that you can't explain, you know, um but when I was 14 years old,
00:04:17
Speaker
Me and my brother and the group of friends that we we were with at the time are all playing football in the street or soccer for our American listeners. It is football though, yeah. and And this is what we did every day, basically. If we weren't out, we was playing football most days. And this was just a standard summer's day, beautiful day.
00:04:41
Speaker
We were playing football in the street. It was me my brother and a few friends. And we're mid-game in the middle of the street. And I don't know if it was me or if it was one of my friends or my brother, but we stopped because there was this object in the sky.
00:04:56
Speaker
Now, it was it's like nothing I've seen before or since, to be honest. I've seen things close to it, but not quite what we saw that day. And we've all stopped. We've seen this thing in the sky, and it just looked like nothing, as I say, nothing I'd seen before. It was very strange.
00:05:13
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It was like... um I always describe it as, you know, like a futuristic kind of building in Dubai. If you picked up one of those buildings and just threw it up in the sky, really high up and just let it float, that's basically what we saw.
00:05:29
Speaker
And I know that sounds wild. I know that sounds wild. But we're watching this thing. And it wasn't moving. You know, it didn't seem to be moving at all, actually. was just still in the sky. And we're looking at it and we're like, is it a balloon?
00:05:42
Speaker
You know, is it a plane a plane? We're going for all the things that it could be. And it just, it wasn't moving at all, you know. And it was like an orangey, silvery colour. You know, that was the colours that were kind of coming off this thing.
00:05:54
Speaker
Um...
Podcasting Journey and Motivations
00:05:55
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It was very high up, so I can't like i can't tell you that there was like little windows on it or anything like that. But the more the more I think about it now, the what i kind of I think I've kind of added windows to it as I remember this memory. I don't think there was windows on it, but I kind of see it when I see it in my mind now.
00:06:12
Speaker
But I don't know if that's just where I caught sort of, as I'm getting older and I've watched Star Wars and things like that, I'm adding stuff to it. But at the time, all I can definitely remember is it was like orange and silver. And we're looking at this thing, it's just a very weird shape in the sky.
00:06:27
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And we're watching it for like five, 10 minutes, something like that. and and And it really bugs me to this day. But we just started playing football again. We didn't watch it. We didn't see it fly off.
00:06:37
Speaker
We didn't see it disappear. Obviously, you know, we had cell phones at the time, but there was no cameras when I was 14 years old. So I had one of those Nokia bricks at the time, I believe. There was no pictures being taken of this thing.
00:06:49
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So we just carried on playing football. And I don't even remember if it flew off. i don't remember how it ended. You know, we just carried on playing football that day. When obviously went home, me and my brother never talked about it that I can remember. I don't think we ever talked about it, which is quite strange because it was such a weird thing to see.
00:07:07
Speaker
So anyway, this memory wasn't lost. But for whatever reason, didn't really think about it that much. Even though I'm fascinated by UFOs and ghosts and Bigfoot and all these kind of things, this memory kind of wasn't there. I don't know why. It's very strange. And when I started Let's Get Freaky podcast, I kind of wrote down all the things that I'd experienced throughout my life just so when when I'm doing podcasts like this, I can share it and stuff like that. There's been a lot of weird stuff.
00:07:34
Speaker
This memory never came back to me. which is, again, it's quite strange because it was a weird thing that we saw that day. And I was on my first ever podcast with Cat Walt, Paranormal Heart, such a lovely lady. She gave me the first time I was on a podcast.
00:07:50
Speaker
And I'm just going through all my experiences and talking paranormal. And this memory kind of came back. And I was like, going to tell her. Even though i was kind of shocked that I had not remembered it because it was such, like how can I not remember that? So I told her what happened that day.
00:08:06
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and And after we'd finished recording, I remember thinking to myself, I don't want to be one of these people that goes on shows and just talks nonsense, basically. And I'm like, why am I remembering this?
00:08:18
Speaker
kind tomy what are you talking yeah I do talk nonsense, but I'm trying to be honest, you know, um, this, this, and I'm, and I'm thinking, did this really happen? You know, why have I not remembered that? Is is it a weird dream? You know, that the memory was there. It was there. i remember it.
00:08:35
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But so, but then confirmation for me is my brother listened to that episode and he called me up a couple of days later, whatever it was on the next day.
00:08:46
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and he said, bro, What was the, we had a little chat about the episode. and He went, what was that thing we saw that day, by the way? I remember seeing it. What was it? And I was like, I'm so glad you remember it.
00:08:58
Speaker
And that I've not just been talking nonsense. You've got that memory as well. Yeah. And like why is it so, why have we never talked about that? Because it was a weird thing to see. Now, fear that granted, UFOs probably wasn't in the mainstream like it is today when we were 14. I'm 38 now. Times have changed.
00:09:16
Speaker
You're not crazy to say that you've seen something in the sky now that you can't explain. I don't know. And I know going back 10 years ago, people kind of give you that look and they still do give you that look when you share these experiences sometimes, but it wasn't, a it wasn't as like in the mainstream as it is today. So maybe that's why we didn't talk about it as much. I don't know. It's just very strange that we never mentioned it after that day. But I was just so happy that my brother had the same memory. He saw it too.
00:09:45
Speaker
And obviously we don't know what it was, you know, don't think it's, as I say, it's like nothing I've seen before or since I've seen things close to it. You know I've seen like reels on Instagram and stuff that where there's objects that are similar, but not quite exactly what we saw.
00:10:02
Speaker
So that was my first kind of UFO experience. experience. It's funny you said that because when I came onto your podcast and I mentioned a story that I had exactly the same thing where I mentioned it to my sister and my brother and they went, oh yeah, that did happen.
00:10:21
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So the fact that, yeah, that yes siblings remember it as well. And like you say, back in the day, and i I'm only a couple of years older than you,
00:10:32
Speaker
um aye It used to be taboo, 100%. And if you started to talk about, oh, I saw this or I experienced that, people thought you were just nuts and, you know, does this straight jacket fit you, sir? Thank you very much. Yeah, yeah. But now our politicians are telling us that they're there, you know. Some people still not accepting it, that's for sure. Some people are still like...
00:10:58
Speaker
or whatever, it's a smokescreen. And I'm not saying it's not. There might be, there is stuff, obviously, that they say that's, you know, our technology and stuff. But, um... Yeah, my brother's very sceptical as well.
00:11:10
Speaker
So my brother's not the kind of person that's like, he he's had experiences. You know, we grew up in a haunted house together. He did have experiences as well, but he's still very much more sceptical than I am. So if he didn't think that that was a thing, that he would say, were you talking about UFOs when we didn't see a UFO? that he would He would call me out, you know, but he was like, what was that?
00:11:31
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And it's interesting what you say about the fact that you've added windows to it because your mind does do funny things. So yeah you can't remember a particular part of an incident.
00:11:46
Speaker
Your mind will create something to go in that gap. And like you say, there wasn't windows there as far as you can remember. But now you're thinking that there was because your mind's actually building it into something that you can now recognize, like a house in the sky or that kind of stuff. Yeah.
00:12:08
Speaker
Because they say we don't remember, like, I don't know if this is true, right? But these they say that when we remember an event, we're not actually remembering the event, we're remembering the last time we remembered it, if that makes sense. I don't
Extraterrestrial Speculations and Skepticism
00:12:20
Speaker
know how true that is. And I kind of hope that's not true, because I don't know if I like that. But some people say that's how we remember things.
00:12:27
Speaker
I don't know how they know that, to be honest. but But yeah that's they do say that. How did they remember that? Exactly, yeah. ah I don't know how they would know that that's how our and ah they don't know, surely, how um how fully how they don't even know what consciousness is, right? so how Even something like euthanasia, no, anesthesia, not much difference between the two.
00:12:53
Speaker
right they They don't know how anesthesia works. half the They just know it does. yeah Yeah. So that's wild. Yeah. there's There's a lot of stuff that are still unexplained that people can't think.
00:13:06
Speaker
So yeah, it's really interesting as well that you mentioned on how open things are coming now yeah we had a debate a couple of was it beginning of this year or or middle of last with yeah all the the us officials got into one room and yeah there was david grush whatever his name is yeah and he got asked do you believe that the extraterrestrials i can't answer that question it's like dude you just answered it by not answering it
00:13:38
Speaker
Absolutely. And the fact that a certain president is saying that he's going to release all the files, if that happens, apart from the fact that he's probably doing it for an alternative motive, if that actually happens, that will be mind-blowing. It really will be mind-blowing.
00:13:56
Speaker
Absolutely. And they're saying it could be in June. I mean... yeah They keep saying it, and we'll see what they actually come out with. But it could be like a smokescreen. they don they don't want us They want us looking that way when there's something going on. We know how the government works, but there does seem something to this. You've you've got the Steven Spielberg film coming out in June as well, which is apparently meant to I don't know why they're saying it, but this is meant to be some sort of disclosure. i don't I know it's a film, but people are saying it's like there's something...
00:14:26
Speaker
So obviously the president's going to announce something around the same time, apparently. We'll see. But we're we're definitely living in some forever very strange times. Oh. and That's for sure. Hopefully exciting times and not just like, yeah. Oh, is that it? Oh, okay. Yeah, whatever.
00:14:43
Speaker
yeah but i've spoken to a few people since we spoke last because the podcast gets released every week um and i spoke to some people that have experienced ufos and been abducted and stuff and the one that i'm releasing tomorrow that you know who's been released tomorrow um because you asked me about her um yes yeah yeah it's gonna be a good one man it will but to speak yeah to hear those kind of stories and the description that that the individuals provide even under hypnosis it's got to be somewhat in there because you're okay yeah a lot of people
00:15:25
Speaker
they listen to oh yeah or watch sci-fi movies and yeah and there's so much in the mainstream right now but to have such a vivid record recollection of the inside of the craft what what the what the species looked like the fact that you could see earth like if this isn't an abduction what the hell is it Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Because a lot of people like at the time don't remember these things, but as you say, we like with regression and things like that, the memories are there, locked away somewhere. I mean, I'm not saying ah I don't think I was abducted that day when I saw a UFO, but where did that memory go? Why did we me and my brother not remember? You know, I can't remember what friends we were with. We was always with different people, but I'd love to know if they remember, you know, some of those guys. But...
00:16:16
Speaker
I'm not saying we got abducted, but sometimes that does that does seem to be the case. You know, these people don't remember at the time, but it'll either come back in like a dream form, which which is in like a dream, which is very strange. Dreams are very strange as well. We don't fully understand what's going on with dreams. I used to be a person that think dreams is just a dream. You know, they can get weird sometimes, but my opinion has changed, especially she since doing this podcast and talking to so many people about their dreams as well.
00:16:45
Speaker
And you do have dreams where you wake up and it it's it it affects you. It's actually like it really affected you. Sometimes you'll wake up from ah from a dream and it was a bit weird, but it's gone. And then other times you'll wake up from a dream and I don't know, it cannot affect your day. You're you're thinking about that dream and it's like, man, it felt so real.
00:17:04
Speaker
It felt like something more than just a dream. I was there, you know, wherever you went, whatever the dream was about. And and there seems to be, There's definitely a connection between the dream state and the paranormal and the UFO abductions. And and there is a connection there. A hundred percent. I think. Cause I had a dream once that I saw you not wearing a baseball cap, but that.
00:17:26
Speaker
Oh, that's weird. That doesn't happen very often. Let's do it. Let's break that dream. yeah Whoa. Put it Put it away. I wear a baseball cap most days. Yeah. i think it's glued to your head.
00:17:40
Speaker
Yeah. yeah going Going back to what's happening in the US and the release of some of these stories, like you've got a lot of whistleblowers that are coming out now.
00:17:52
Speaker
yeah You've got pilots, you've got people from NASA you yeah and you've got other like Department of Defense and stuff like that. So for reputable individuals,
00:18:07
Speaker
There's got to be something there because otherwise the reputation of these individuals would be absolutely destroyed. So they wouldn't come out with it unless they knew what they were talking about.
00:18:20
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In their eyes, was true. Yeah. And sometimes people say, like, why why are they coming out like Bob Lazar, for example? Bob Lizardo, I know that's a very that's that's that's been around for a long time. and And kind of what he said back in the day at the start of of him coming out is starting to look... It's it's all fitting together. And it know that that story has never really been crushed, as far as I'm aware. I think that's a solid story that he stuck with to this day. And it's sort of making sense that the longer time goes on. And he's fearing for... he's he's The reason why he came out, apparently... is because he was told that he would be safer if he actually came out of all this kind of stuff, which is quite strange, you know. um So sometimes actually talking out can be safer, but we do know that at the moment there are strange things happening with the scientists and things like that where high-level people seem to be going missing and things happening, you know, which is very strange. So I don't know, man. Yeah.
00:19:20
Speaker
Yeah. And yeah, I think the list is at like 15 or 16 right now. But yeah, it's over four or five years. Things even longer like 2019, the first one.
00:19:34
Speaker
But the fact that somebody dies, like, you know, rest in peace, Nick Pope. Yeah, that's very sad. yeah ah Yeah. I don't see how they can put Nick Pope into the same category.
00:19:48
Speaker
Yeah, I wouldn't put that one He had a medical condition. Yeah. And it's sort of like, you know, some people that have gone missing, sure, let's put them into one category. But people that had genuine illnesses and unfortunately have passed away, you can't put them into the same category of all these people. And I saw something on Facebook today that actually had Nick Pope yeah with the faces of the other people.
00:20:14
Speaker
And it's sort of like, yeah, you're just clutching at straws now, folks. Yeah, no, that is that that is when you're making something of... Because I don't believe he's a part of that talk, you know.
00:20:24
Speaker
um And as you say, it does go back like two years, three years. and And that's where it's difficult. It is very strange. You know, some of these circumstances are are stranger than others as well. It is very strange. But...
00:20:37
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, people are maybe clashing at stores straws in some ways. if I mean, if this had all happened in a month, we would be very worried. You know, we'd all shut shut and just... We've got to stop talking about this stuff. yeah But, yeah yeah, the fact that it does go... but i I do think there's something to it. I really do. I don't know about you, but I do think there is... Some of these people, i think, ah there's been something nefarious going on. Yeah. Especially, like, the dis the the disappearances and stuff like that. but Yes, yeah. Natural death due to medical reasons.
00:21:09
Speaker
Let's take people out the equation. One of the ladies, I can't remember her name, but she was on a hike with her friends, right? And she just, they were all talking away and just went missing. She just vanished.
00:21:21
Speaker
You know, and obviously that can happen when you're out in the forest and stuff. Things, weird things can happen where... you know, you fall down a big hole or something and you just can't be found. I don't know. But apparently she just vanished. There's no logical explanation.
00:21:35
Speaker
Completely gone. This is one of them. That's very strange. I what's going on there, man? I just... But it's interesting how back in the day when I was born and everything was in black and white. Everything was in black and white.
00:21:51
Speaker
you You were born when colour started, so you're okay. But it was a the general consensus was that a UFO flying saucer would come from wherever, visit and go.
00:22:07
Speaker
But now there's stories about they're living amongst they're breeding with us, they live under the oceans. And it's it's weird how you started off with, know, they're visitors and then they go home for the day after after, okay, goodbye, darling, I'm just going to work for the day kind of thing.
00:22:28
Speaker
Whereas now there's so many stories and theories that that they're actually already here and they are integrating into human life.
00:22:39
Speaker
who if who I honestly think that all of these things, all of these furries, there's there's like a truth to all of them. I do believe that there are entities among us that we don't recognize as aliens, but possibly are.
00:22:52
Speaker
And I do think that there are entities you know, there are things visiting from maybe other dimensions, other other planets, if you like, maybe, I don't know. But I think there's a number of different things going on.
00:23:05
Speaker
And we kind of put it all, like with cryptids, I think there's a number of different things going on there as well. But we all put it in the same bracket, UFOs. Obviously, we don't know what these things are. But I think i think there's truth to a lot of these things. I can tell you something. I worked with a guy who,
00:23:21
Speaker
I won't say his name because he's never actually given me permission to share this story, but I'm going to share it. Dave. We'll say it was Dave. And this is before I like started doing this, ski well before i even started thinking about it, really. so I was listening to paranormal podcasts and stuff, so that's probably why the conversation come up.
00:23:39
Speaker
And he told me he was on the London Underground. Right. And he said it was quite busy, but there was a guy sitting opposite him, like kind of staring at him. And he said he's just sort of sitting in there minding his own business. And he looked at this guy and he said that this is what he said. It sounds pretty wild, but this is what he said. He said this guy looks back at him and all of a sudden his eyes changed to like reptilian eyes.
00:24:06
Speaker
And my friend was sort of like, whoa. And then it just went back to normal. Uh, and he sort of just, he didn't say anything, you obviously didn't want to mess with this dude that can turn into a reptilian baby. Um, but that's, that you know, all these things living amongst us like that in that way, you know, um, my my mom had an experience, um, when she, she used to work in like a, quite a nice shop where we used to live in Essex, got nice upmarket lady shop.
00:24:34
Speaker
And, um, She said she was working one day and this is, this is, but she's always been into like paranormal stuff as well, to be honest, my mom, but not like she, she's really into it now a lot more. to So she's, she kind of looks back at this memory and thinks, Hmm, there's something to that. So she was working in this shop and she said the lady she worked with was quite spiritual. So she used to get, she was kind of like psychic and stuff like that. And she said, this lady walked in and she said, there was just something very odd about this lady.
00:25:03
Speaker
she had kind of a weird electric smell. So she had a strange smell and like a strange kind of shape. And my mum was thinking, oh, this, this lady's something not right about this lady, but and I don't want to be horrible or anything. We'll just let her do what she's doing. And apparently she, she walked around the shop and she left.
00:25:21
Speaker
And a mum's friend turned to her and went, do you know that lady was not from this earth she was an alien no i know but but not like my mom's kind of laughing and like yeah no she's like no honestly she is from somewhere else she is not of this earth and my mom was like oh just sort of took it as a bit that's a bit weird but then when she started listening to let's get a freaky podcast she was like you know what i actually think she was probably an alien so i mean i don't know there's a there's there's
00:25:52
Speaker
Yeah. Are they amongst us? and it Very possible. One thing that I absolutely love telling people is when you're talking about space travel and and yeah alien craft coming to visitors, you mentioned one light year.
00:26:12
Speaker
So for people that don't know, if you are traveling 100 kilometers an hour, it will take you... see and I know
Space and UFO Sightings
00:26:21
Speaker
this off the top of my head. I'm not reading it off the other screen at It take 10,792,528 years to travel one light year a hundred kilometres an hour that is wild And like, yeah, the distance from here to the moon is 1.3 light seconds. Not a light year, a light second.
00:26:48
Speaker
To the sun, 8.3 light minutes. So, yeah, and and that's how far away that is. You must have that written down, bro. That's incredible. It's not on this other screen at all, Tommy.
00:27:03
Speaker
You remember in those numbers, that's incredible. I wouldn't do that you. Look at that. But the fact that these, you know, you've got all these different planets and if you've seen that graphic that's going around on Facebook where you've got this is the Earth and then it moves to different planets and then you've got planets that are this big and that planet, sort of like how far have these people or these creatures these and whatever they are how far they traveled just to come sightseeing who to to planet earth they must have the technic different kind of technology that we can't even think of right now
00:27:44
Speaker
Are they AI? This is a theory I've been thinking recently. Are they possibly what AI is going to become? Maybe that kind of, maybe they're not as like we see we're a biological, biological creatures. We see ourselves very differently to maybe what these things are. I mean, I don't know. I'm just, you know, a lot of people say greys when they have these encounters with these things is they're very lifeless. you know and they they don't seem to be you know they don't have They don't seem to have emotions and things like that. And they all obviously look the same, which is, you know, is it eve that some people say, is that what we become in the future when we when we mix with AI? Maybe, I know I'm going, know, I'm just frying out a theory. I'm not saying this what it is, but
00:28:29
Speaker
i think there's a lot of different things going on really do yeah and i still think we're in the infancy stage of knowing what that is because i heard something a few months ago where that yeah people or scientists are sending out radio messages to other beings but our technology as it is now is so primitive It's like having the two cans with the piece of string compared to the internet, like what it is now. That's the difference in technology. The fact that we are nowhere near the technology that these people have, hence why our communication goes unheard, because we haven't got the technology to to and release that right now.
00:29:22
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eleven And some of these crafts are moving in ways that we just can't understand. You know, some of the patterns that they do and then you know some of the footage that we have, like the Tic Tac video and stuff like that. We just, i mean, I'm sure we do have technology that our governments haven't told us about yet and stuff like that. But some of these things are moving in ways that we just can't comprehend.
00:29:42
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And yeah, it's it's what I saw. I'll tell you another UFO experience I had. So this is when I was 27 years old and I was living in a flat with my wife and we was on the on the full floor of of four stories flat.
00:29:58
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So we was on the full floor and this was during the day again. It was another beautiful summer's day again. And I was at the window and my mother-in-law was with me. And we was kind of just having a chat about whatever. I can't remember what we talking about, but we're just looking out the window and talking.
00:30:15
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And opposite our flats, we had like a little little area of trees. It was a little tree area, little tiny little forest, but it wasn't a forest. It was just a small area of trees and there was a house behind that.
00:30:27
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But we're just talking away. And all of a sudden, these three objects came out from what we think were the trees, right? And there was three of them. They weren't very big.
00:30:38
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They were like the size of like a football or a basketball. They weren't super big, but we could see them very clearly. And they were right in front of us just across the road. And they were kind of floating up, but there was three of them.
00:30:50
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And they were kind of moving around each other in like a triangular kind of... way, but not actually physically touching these three things. that But they seem to be connected somehow.
00:31:02
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And they were constantly changing shape, all three of them. They were never the same shape. They were constantly moving, constantly changing. And they were like a a silvery, um a kind of, how I describe this is, you know, when in the Terminator, when he melts,
00:31:16
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at the end, kind of like that kind of look like that kind of silvery metallic. And then it's just, it's just, it's like steel, but it's like water at the same time, if that makes sense. And it's constantly changing constant. They're never the same shape, but they seem to be connected.
00:31:35
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And me and my mother-in-law are actually like saying, what the heck are we seeing? What is like, we're looking at it and we're trying to work out, is it balloons? You know, at first we're thinking, are they like balloons? And, and,
00:31:47
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they weren't balloons. These things were like flying around each other. And we got a good look. Like we was, we had got a grew perfect look and these things are going up and up and up. And we followed them all the way to the sky.
00:31:58
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And had we just seen that, probably would have gone, maybe it was some sort of balloon. I don't know. Very weird, but who knows. But then these three objects went flash, flash, flash, all three of them and just shot off into the atmosphere. And we were like, balloons don't do that.
00:32:13
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You know, what the heck have we just seen? and And I'm so happy my mother-in-law saw that as well. We both saw it together. You know, it's nice when you have these experiences with someone else because then you know you're not going crazy in that moment. And we we we talk about it all the time to this day. this was This was a while ago, but we talk about it all the time. You know when we're at parties and stuff, we'll we'll mention it and the other family members give you that look.
00:32:37
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You know, they're like, i think it was balloons. And we're like, no, it wasn't balloons. Trust us. It was not balloons. The thing that bugs me with that is I did have an iPhone in my pocket at the time.
00:32:49
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didn't even think about getting it out. Didn't, you know, didn't cross my mind to maybe try and record these things, but it wasn't until after i was oh, maybe I could have got something. But yeah, no idea what they were, but we put them in the UFO category because what the heck, what the heck moves like that? No idea. Exactly. And the wife was out on the, but on the balcony yeah last week.
00:33:13
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And she said, yeah. Oh, in fact, she'd gone downstairs to talk to some dogs. That's what the wife goes. I've just got the finger. set and done know Go to the balcony and look left.
00:33:29
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And there's a star that hasn't moved. And I've actually got a telescope. So yeah looked at binoculars and it couldn't couldn't get close enough. And I've got the telescope out, but it it just looked like it was glistening and like changing not changing shape, but changing colors.
00:33:48
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And then we actually did a little bit of research and it was actually Venus. that was visible from yeah way way way couple of ah couple of miles away you go there for a weekend yeah yeah and the fact that if you did not know what it was and you weren't into your astrology you go, well, yeah, it's not an aircraft because it's not moving.
00:34:10
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It's not a weather balloon. Drones normally move. and yeah And you've got so many different things, what it could be, the fact that this thing was stationary. And when you Googled it, it went, oh, yeah, it will disappear out its sky about between 8 and 8.30. And sure enough, it got dimmer and dimmer and then disappeared. So, yeah, okay, it was Venus.
00:34:33
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But I say there's so many different things that it can be even something like like SpaceX. Yeah. Yes. You've got your satellites doing the doing the yeah the the the SpaceX train for the first 24 hours and then they dissipate.
00:34:53
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But you've got the debris coming down as well. And if people see the debris but didn't see the launch, going to think, oh, that's a UFO. But it's not because they they haven't got ah could say that've got that intelligence. They haven't got that knowledge of what it could be.
00:35:10
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so yeah We're rational people. Okay, let's rule out drones. Let's rule out balloons. Let's rule out aircraft. But some people just go, oh, alien. Yeah.
00:35:23
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Yeah, I can be a little bit like that. I'm trying to be more sceptical now. I did actually get caught with the one of Elon Musk's ships once. I think so anyway, but we we was on, we was just coming off the beach in Bournemouth in the UK and there was this really weird thing in the sky. um There was another one actually, i'll tell you that in a second, but there was this really weird thing in the sky that was moving in a really weird way and we we were driving off and I said to my wife, we've got to go back round and have a look because that that was so weird. I think that was a UFO. So we went back round and we're looking at this thing and honestly, it was just, it looks so weird in the sky and I was like, that's it, that's a UFO, that's another one to add to the book.
00:36:01
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And then ah did a little bit of research and I think I shared it on like social media that I've just seen a UFO. That's where you've got to be careful. But I did a little bit of it and it was one of Elon Musk's ships. yeah But it just looks so bizarre. I've never seen anything like it. and that The way it moved and it was like two, it looked like two orbs that were kind of becoming one and it really looked like something different to to what I've seen. But it was, it did turn out to be,
00:36:27
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an elon must ship and that's it because know if you live in florida or you live in texas you're going to see these things all the time and you know what they are but because of the trajectory that they take they could come literally right over your house oh yeah yeah and you wouldn't know what it was but oh that's weird but it's actually got a logical exp explanation to it Absolutely. it's is' It's good to be sceptical still and not jump straight to the paranormal all the time, but it's difficult yeah because it's so fun. like like Like you just did. Oh, that's a UFO. No, it's... yeah
00:37:05
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yeah there wasn't There was another one. Sorry as well. tell yeah Sorry, man. So this was weird. It was at Bournemouth beach again. And me, the wife and kids have pulled up to our parking spot to go on the beach and we got out the car and there was this- One second. You have a specific parking spot? feet No, I don't. I don't. But we have a road where you don't have to pay to park. Okay. yeah only really Only really local people know about it. And, you know, the tourists, they pay 10 pound a day or whatever it is. But we found this road where you can stay all day and it's absolutely free. Okay.
00:37:40
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So that's what it was. So it was actually our car park, our space, but I'll say it was. And and we we so we got out and it was about, i think it was about eight o'clock. It wasn't fully dark. Again, it was like summer. It wasn't dark, but it was like getting darkish. You know, it was getting dusk, twilight. And we've seen this thing in the sky and it was like a fireball.
00:37:59
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And it was doing really weird patterns. And I'm like, guys, like this is this. look What is that? It wasn't making any sound or anything like that. It actually looked quite similar to a lot of videos that are going around at the moment of about these fireball things. But it wasn't a meteorite or anything like that. was moving in a very erratic way. And it was going up. And then it would come back down. And then it would go, you know, all different directions. that Nothing really that we know should move like that. yeah Drones, I think you'd be able to tell if it was a drone.
00:38:29
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ah fire lanterns, those kind of things, they move one way and that's it. They don't really change direction. No idea what this thing was. My eldest daughter, she started crying because she was getting a bit freaked out because were seeing this thing. And I kind of recorded the last bit of it.
00:38:45
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And the bit that I recorded didn't really do it justice because it did just kind of float. behind this house and disappeared. But that was another weird thing. There's been a lot of weird things that can't say are definitely UFOs, but like you say, there might be a logical explanation for some of these things. But see yeah, that was another one. You're uneducated, Tommy. That's what it I am very, I am uneducated. Thanks for sure. You're most welcome. And it's,
00:39:09
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been speaking about aliens and UFOs and things and we haven't even mentioned alienate UK and yeah ah yes the fact that Andy was on a few weeks ago yeah and we both saw it because we're both on the same podcast at the same time a few weeks ago yeah he's called alien in the jar yes like what it is but it even if it's fake it is still damn cool It is cool. He said it's worth a lot of money as well. yeah If you ask him how much it's worth, it's it's a a ridiculous amount of money. If you wanted to buy that from him. 100k or something ridiculous. So, i mean next time I come to the UK, I think I'm going to steal it. and
00:39:49
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Yeah, that's a good idea. If we put our money together, and we might be able to... the bus fare. you can get Yeah, yeah. yeah in my We've mentioned the fact that UFOs are very much in the news.
00:40:04
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Something else that is very much in the in the news right now, and it's pissing me off a little bit, is is the Patterson-Gimlin video real or fake?
00:40:17
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And there's been a lot of cut controversy, can controversy, whatever that that word. like you said but no what yeah i think said on both sides of the pond. yeah There's been a lot of reaction recently to people saying, well, it's fake because yeah this guy, Bob Hieronymus or whatever his name is, he wore the costume or whatever.
00:40:41
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But then other people are going, well, yeah now that we've but got the technology to enhance the video recording, we can see muscle structure and stuff like that. what's your theory on that then, Tommy?
00:40:58
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well the thing is, why now? Why have they not done this sooner? You know, that's a bit weird. They've had enough time. Let's face It was like the 60s when this came out. I've always been, like whenever I talk about Bigfoot, especially before this this this talk began, I've always said, we've got the Patterson-Gimlin film.
00:41:16
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And for me, it's always been real. And I want it to be real. I'm aware that I do want it to be real. And when I was a kid, I remember having the Guinness Book of Records book. being bought for me. And that's the first time I remember seeing Patterson, the Patterson Gimlin film, Patty for the first time. It was in picture form in this book. And I remember going up to my mom and dad and being like, is that real? And they're like, yeah, there's, there's Bigfoot and in America. And I'm like, this is amazing.
00:41:44
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And so I've always like really, I've always believed in it. And but as I said, wanted to believe and I, and I still do. I'm not, I'm not one of these guys that have switched because I haven't seen the film yet. Um, but,
00:41:56
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ah For me, that film has always been so compelling because it's so good. but when that was When that was captured in the 60s, I don't think they had the the means to make something that good. You know, you look at like Planet at the H, which is like the biggest, one of the biggest budget Hollywood movies of the time. Nowhere near the Patterson-Gibbon film. Yeah. You know, this thing had muscles in the leg. You know, it had... it It's so good. And how could two cowboys with not a lot of money apparently at the time pull something like that off? I just don't see it. And then when you do see the fake pictures of this so-called suit, to me that suit doesn't look anything like the film.
00:42:36
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Now, granted, I haven't seen this film ever. that is about to come out or is coming out. I know some people have seen it and it's mixed. The opinion on that is mixed. You know, the Bigfoot world is very divided anyway, but there's some people that say, yep, that's it. It's all fake. You know, there was a guy that put a video out on YouTube. I can't remember his name, but I watched the YouTube video and he had me convinced. I was like straight away, like, oh, it is fake. Oh my gosh. And I was heartbroken.
00:43:01
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And then you you hear other people that have seen it and they say, you know, it doesn't actually prove that the Patterson-Gimlin film was fake. So for me, I'm going to hold it till I see it. But when the Patterson Kimlin film came out, there was no AI.
00:43:16
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kind I mean, I'm sure maybe the government maybe had AI, but we didn't, you know, the normal man couldn't make things fake. Now you can, now it's very difficult to tell what is real and what is not. So it's going to be very difficult to, so just for for anything now, to be honest, to to prove with a video that something is legit.
00:43:37
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So that's where I am with it. I'm still, I'm still kind of, I still believe in Paterson Gimlin. There was documentary that we saw and they basically broke down everything about the Paterson Gimlin video movie, whatever you want to call it.
00:43:54
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Yeah. The way that the foot came down and the muscle texture on the back of the calf If it
Cryptids and Mysteries
00:44:01
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had been and ah gorilla head, so to speak, if you'd have moved the head, the whole head would have moved and the fur would have moved around where this was not moving.
00:44:15
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yeah when you see yeah and it Even though the original footage has gone missing, they were still able to enhance the copies. to a better quality than what the original was.
00:44:27
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And yeah they've even been talking about breast structure and stuff like that. yeah That's why they're calling it Patty now, because they're saying it's female. found that yeah There was a picture of a guy wearing a gorilla suit with his blacked out eyes.
00:44:41
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And it's like, yeah, this is nothing. No, that that pi I know exactly what picture you're talking about. And that is definitely not the Patterson Kimmy film. yeah I'm sorry.
00:44:52
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That is not the costume. Um, and now that's another thing that I've always thought. Why would that? up I'm not saying there are obviously female Bigfoots out there, but if they were going fake it, why would they make it a female? I don't know. That's just another thing that I don't know why they would do that.
00:45:07
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Um, that's just, I don't know, but I, I, I still, I still believe that that's real. I've got to be honest. As said, I haven't seen this new documentary, I want to believe, yeah but I just, for me, it's, you believe in it and as well m next I do. I still believe, but the the, because I believe the person that's bringing the the film out, I can't remember exactly who it is but I think it's something to do with,
00:45:33
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ah is it Roger Patterson's someone related to him i think it is it's not like not not you not someone like some of the funds is not making money from the film so this will make money because it will be theirs and I know lot of people are like fight it's cold if so there could be a financial element to this but they you know and so that's and and that's it and like you say when you watch a lot of these paranormal films
00:46:03
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documentaries yeah with people providing clips. And it's like, why does ever everybody have to set their phone to blurry or their camera to blurry before they take the picture?
00:46:15
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It's like, it could be anything. it could be yeah it like It could be you running through the forest because the quality of of the footage is so poor.
00:46:28
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It's unbelievable. And in this day and age, why isn't the quality a lot better so a lot of them i think you a lot of them not not the paterson gimlin but a lot of this one the footage is as fake as it comes yeah yeah yeah i think there's a lot of there's obviously a lot of fake stuff and there there is a show called the proof is out there which actually gets professionals to analyze the footage And there's one guy that will yeah is a video expert and he will say if the video has been tampered with or anything like that.
00:47:01
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And then you get like zoologists and all this kind of people that break it down and go, well, he's got this, he's got that. And they say, is it fake or is it real? Mm hmm.
00:47:15
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oh if if If they do, if they can prove that it's fake, if they can, I don't know if they can, but if they do, I will accept it. I'm not someone who's going to like, no, no. I'll have to accept it. But just for me right now, I'm sticking with it. I'm sticking with the Patterson Gimlin film. Bob Gimlin. Yeah. And like you mentioned, two cowboys out in the woods.
00:47:38
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Yeah. they They may have seen one or two Hollywood movies at that time. They haven't seen many, but the same quality of what's the word I'm looking for of like costume and makeup is yeah the planet of the apes with Charles Heston.
00:48:01
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And like you say, there was even then you could see that it was kind of humans behind the ape mask. You could tell by the eyes and stuff. But even absolutely even though Patty was a little bit further away,
00:48:15
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the way that that creature is moving, you know, even the experts are saying, no this is, as far as we know, this is a real creature.
00:48:26
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Absolutely. Absolutely, man. there is There is some good evidence out here. There is some... there So many people see these things, you know. So here's the thing, because obviously in...
00:48:39
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the Himalayas, Asia, that neck of the woods, you have the Yeti. who Western Canada, Western US, you have Sasquatch.
00:48:52
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The rest of the US, you have Bigfoot. I know when I lived in the UK, there didn't seem to be a UK equivalent.
00:49:02
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We had Nessie, but obviously that's a like a water creature, but there didn't really seem to be a a uk version so i've been out of country 13 years is there has there been any but any stories in the uk about similar kind of creatures Yeah, I mean, I spoke to people that I trust and I believe that claim to have seen these creatures in the yeah UK. I mean, we've've we've got like the old legends of like the woodmen of the forest and the green man and things like that. And I kind of wonder if that is, you know, because Bigfoot is in every culture going back hundreds of years. Everything has got a creature that is like a Bigfoot. Now, we know we've got the giant capicificus. I of find it very hard to say that word. What was that word? that The giant.
00:49:51
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I thought if I said it quick, you wouldn't notice. The giant pithikic... really can't say it now. But you know I mean, right? That big ape... giant perfect. Oh no.
00:50:02
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Lee is is completely gone, bro. Um, but we know that, that, that thing, that, that creature existed. that I mean, that is what some people believe a big foot is, you know, it's a giant bipedal ape.
00:50:15
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Um, but these things appear in, in every culture, China, Russia, China, To this day and going back hundreds of years, it might have a different name, but ultimately people are describing the same thing.
00:50:27
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And that's still seen to this day in the UK. I've talked to people that I think you've got something in there. i I don't know if you've heard of Daniel Barnett. Yes. He's a young young guy in in the UK.
00:50:39
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Awesome dude. He's very young. He's like 16. He brought out a Bigfoot movie, My Bigfoot Life. Very interesting young man. a He claims to have found evidence of Sasquatch in in Somerset.
00:50:53
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You know, he found a footprint that he sent off the DNA to all different places. um ah labs around the world, and I think it was a Portuguese lab, got back to him and said, you found old ape DNA. and That's how he described it. Old ape DNA, which shouldn't be in the UK. um So I don't know, Matt. what I want to think they're out there. I think if they're in the yeah UK, I think it's more of a supernatural element to these things, which I think there's a supernatural. I think it's very possible that there are but flesh and blood creatures out there that are like Bigfoot.
00:51:25
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But I also think that there are a lot of... There's a supernatural element to a lot of these creatures as well. Because that kind of makes sense. yeah That's why we can't fully catch up to these things. And I know when I lived in the UK, there was like... a bottoming more like cat yeah the big cats yes yeah i do i do kind of think it it tends to move more towards cat-like creatures rather than bipedal creatures i'd like say you've got the bottom in more yeah and there's others around the country and i like to say yeah
00:52:01
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Yes, there are stories of bipedal, but I think more of them are like four legged. so on like My mother in law saw what she describes as a Black Panther in Brentwood, which is where i where I used to live. And this would have been about 25 years ago now And at the time, I remember when I was a kid, I remember it being in like the the papers and stuff that there was sightings of Black Panthers and big cats in Brentwood. And she was driving near the M25. It might have been somewhere near the m twenty five towards like Southend kind of way. And she saw this. She saw her and her sister saw what they described as like a Black Panther on the roadside.
00:52:47
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And then she's, you know, again, she's like, that sounds wild, but she's not the sort of person that's going to make something like that up. You know, she's like, yes, what we saw, it was in a forested area, you know, obviously ran off into the forest, but she saw that.
00:53:02
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um So these these, I mean, we know in the 70s, I think it was the world, animals lore in the UK where a lot of people that had these like exotic creatures, yeah rather than getting rid of them and selling them to a zoo or killing them, they just let them go free.
00:53:16
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So we know for a fact that big cats were let free in the UK. believe it was in the 70s. And who knows if these things kind of... Because they're reported everywhere. There is evidence that these things are out there. Who knows if they like may be interbred. Maybe there's a species of cat out there that we just you know can't fully...
00:53:34
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we haven't caught up with yet but so many people see these things and there's evidence that they're there yeah but like say that's another like unknown entity that we yeah if everybody knew life would be far too boring wouldn't it yeah One thing i want to speak to you about as well.
00:53:55
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Yeah. I thought we were going to wing it tonight, but we've actually had, yeah, a good debate for me and you, which is like very rare. Let's get freaky podcast started in June of 2022. Yeah.
00:54:14
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See, I didn't even know that. It wasn't that long ago, but I was thinking, when did I start? Yeah. i And you've had over 350 episodes. You've had loads more than that, but that's the latest number I've got. So, and I want you to really like go into this.
00:54:34
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What have you learned about the paranormal since 2022, since starting doing the Let's Get Freaky podcast? That's a good question, Tommy. that That's a fantastic question. And honestly...
00:54:48
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I've learned that we know nothing. No, no um i've learned i've all I can say is 100% from my experiences, from my guest experiences, that there is a lot more to this world than your average person believes There is a lot more going on around us. This world is a lot more spiritual than we than than your average man will give it credit for. There there is there is realms around us that are interacting with our world. You know you can call that whatever you want, but there there is a lot more going on around us that we can't always see, that we sometimes get a glimpse of.
00:55:26
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um but But the paranormal from from ghosts to cryptids to UFOs, you know, in a way it seems to be connected. But in another way, there's so much going on that we we kind of put into the same compartments, UFOs, cryptids. I think there's cryptids alone.
00:55:45
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I think there is, like for example, fresh and blood creatures out there. But I also think there's a spiritual element and and we kind of... put them together. but there's That's Bigfoot. But I think there's there's different things going on, if that makes sense, that we kind of, you know, and um what I've really learned is that there's, you know, i feel like I've learned a lot, you know, just by talking to people and just, you know, understanding that these things are real.
00:56:11
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um But there's still so much we don't know. there's this I've still got a million questions. I've got more questions now probably than when I started the podcast, you know, and I thought, I thought I knew a little bit when I started the podcast, I didn't know anything. And I know even less now, if that makes sense. I felt like I was like, I know the paranormal.
00:56:33
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I know nothing, man. yeah and i I couldn't agree more with what you've just said, because like you say, you've had over 350 episodes and you've spoken to many different people touching loads of different subjects. And I've done the same.
00:56:50
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and the amount of times you know you've done it i've done it where we just go wow you ah so cannot believe what somebody is telling you and it's absolutely sort of like gobsmacking and i was talking to somebody about time slips a few weeks ago and i'm like huh, what, really?
00:57:14
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And yeah it's all good and well having your list of questions, and I've not done any research whatsoever. It's not on this other screen. But then it'll come out with something and it'll just throw you completely.
00:57:28
Speaker
And you just go how how can I continue this when you've just come out with that revelation? of whom and let's Absolutely. And like say, I've had i've had a few recently where just go,
00:57:42
Speaker
What? Yeah. It's like, you've got nothing to say next because it's like, boom, it's just taking all the wind out your sails. I've been criticized before for saying, well, too much. wow but I do say, well, quite a lot. I say, well, I do. i But it's always amazing. You know, every time I hear these stories, it's always amazing, you know, and and it I love it. I love hearing these people's experiences and it's most people, but well I think we spoke about this before, but most people have had weird experiences that they can't explain, you know, whether they,
00:58:16
Speaker
but how many times do people say, don't believe in that kind of stuff? The amount of times I tell people about the podcast, whether it be at work or whatever, tell people I do a paranormal show, they're like, I don't believe in any of that.
00:58:27
Speaker
But then literally in the next breath, they they will tell you an incredible experience that they've had. yeah And you're like, wow, not will you come on the podcast and share that? Most people say, no, yeah I would never share that. but and and And that is what is, it's so amazing, man. So many people have these experiences. I was talking to a lady tonight at work that started telling me paranormal experiences that I would never spoke about the paranormal before. I worked with her a little while, brought up at the podcast. And she was like, Oh, I've had, she just went through a like a list of experiences. And i was like,
00:59:00
Speaker
you've got to come on the show, man. yeah um Maybe, you know, lot of people, some people don't want to talk about this stuff, fully understand it in, in like the public, but it's so interesting to hear how many people actually have these experiences. It's not weird. It's not, it's not, sometimes it is freaky, obviously, but it's, it's pretty normal to have these experiences.
00:59:23
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That's it. And I, I say, I, I agree with what you say. good And, and, Some of the the stories. Yeah, just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it didn't happen.
00:59:40
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m because you can't call somebody a liar because they've seen a ufo just because you haven't seen one and it's the same for cryptids or ghosts and spirits or whatever just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean it didn't happen and i noticed i spoke to you last time just before christmas i went to an investigation and i was in a up first we call it the second floor but it's the first floor of a stately home and i felt like my hand got grabbed and it literally felt like some so like a little kid's hand put the hand around my fingers
01:00:19
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But my immediate thought was, is it a cobweb or something like that? But my hand, my left hand was hanging out my pocket. I'd got my thumb in my pocket and the rest of my arm was hanging out. So my shoulder who sticking out. So it wasn't a cobweb because it had been taken out by my shoulder or my elbow.
01:00:38
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And it's sort like, yeah, it happened to me. Didn't happen to anybody else. But that does not mean it didn't happen. Did you feel the grip of the hand? Yeah. Did you actually? Oh, wow. Yeah. And it's like, did I just, and then you, then you question yourself.
01:00:54
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Did I, did I really feel that? But I literally felt, and it wasn't my whole hand. It just like these feet, it just felt like like a little hand grabbed my fingers and it's like, the hell? Yeah.
01:01:05
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It is wild. And I do think as well, something I say quite a lot and I don't think I made this saying up, I do say it a lot. wow I think when you, when you look into the paranormal, I do think it looks back.
01:01:17
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So I think the people that are interested in it, people that have experiences and accept it, that was weird. That was paranormal. I can't explain it. I think that's why, because you get people that have loads of experiences and seem to experience quite a lot. And then you see you you meet people that will say they've experienced nothing, even though half the time they have. But I think people that do experience quite a lot,
01:01:38
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It's because you're open to it, because you believe it. I think that gives you more of a chance of experiencing it, you know, whether that be good or bad. And I think there's a lot of danger to this stuff as well.
01:01:48
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But it is is so fascinating. 100%, yeah. We was at an investigation Saturday night and I was looking at the the cameras while the guys were doing their things.
01:02:00
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And where the cameras were, or the the base station, it was like a concrete tile floor. And the four guys, i could see each one of them on a camera.
01:02:13
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None of them were moving. the ah The curator of the place was two rooms away in his office. But I felt the sensation of somebody walking behind me.
01:02:28
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But you know, like how if somebody walks behind you on a wooden floor, It was that kind of sensation, but i was on like a concrete tile floor and I could see that nobody was moving.
01:02:40
Speaker
But right behind me, I felt like there were footsteps behind me. Wow. And like, yeah, how can you explain that? As I say, it was a personal experience.
01:02:51
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then Which a lot of these experiences are. You know it happens when you're on your own. Exactly. Yeah, man. It is wild. It is. I feel like when when I started,
01:03:02
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five I've had experiences throughout my life, but i feel like when I started Let's Get Freaky podcast, I don't know if it's because you're you're thinking about it all the time and you're you know it's it's it's there in your consciousness, whether you're thinking about it at the time or not. Things start happening. You seem to start experiencing stuff and hearing stuff that maybe you would have not accepted before, but you're like...
01:03:23
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you know, because it's there, you're thinking about it all the time, I guess. So that that might be something to do with it as well. But it is fascinating, man. It does scare me as well, though. I still don't like the dark. but you're You're just a wimp, so.
01:03:35
Speaker
I am. I am a wimp. Tommy, it's been absolutely great talking to you again. I say thank you, my brother. fact that we're going to wing it, we have, we have winged it.
01:03:48
Speaker
We just talked about whatever. and Just before you go, just tell everybody where they can find you. I don't mean, waiting you i mean, I'll give you my dress. Yeah.
01:04:00
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But brother, thank you so much, man. Absolutely love being back on. You're a legend, brother. um We are Let's Get Freaky podcast, wherever you find podcasts, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, wherever you listen to podcasts, you'll see my little ginger face with a Bigfoot, a UFO and a ghost. Let's get freaky. um And we're also on YouTube as well, so you can watch a lot of the episodes on YouTube as well. Yeah, man. And we're also on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok X.
01:04:28
Speaker
We're everywhere. Let's get freaky. see Like we like were saying offline earlier, your podcast is getting in the way of your real job. Oh man, yeah, absolutely. no That's going to be broadcast. The podcast comes first, but hopefully my boss doesn't listen to this. Well, hopefully he does. now hope he does listen to this, but At the same time, yeah I would tell him that anyway. The podcast comes first. Yeah.
01:04:55
Speaker
Okay, my friend. Great speaking to you again. on One of these days, I'm going to meet you in person. and like no Absolutely. I'm moving in. Pull that bloody hat off your head. yeah Okay, my friend. For now. Thank you, brother.
01:05:08
Speaker
Look after to yourself. Bye-bye. Thank you, brother.