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SPC 2 E28 Chris Whitehouse - Youtuber with Whitehouse Investigations
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Tonight i am delighted to have with me Chris Whitehouse. Chris is a YouTuber and his YouTube website is called Whitehouse Investigations.
From hiding under his bedsheets as a child, to seeing large black sheets in his bedroom, to creating his first Ghost Gang at school, Chris has experienced the paranormal from an early age
Chris then told me about his hand being shaken by an apparent ghost called Ursula. he went on to discuss a reoccurring threatening spirit named Sam.
We also spoke in-depth about communicating using a Ouija Board
Chris and i then discussed that you should be respectful towards ghosts and spirits, and how spirits can lie into who they are.
We finally discussed on if protection before an investigation is a good or a bad idea
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction of Lee and Chris
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SIPA Paranormal Chronicles. I'm your host, Lee. I'm the good-looking one, but not as good-looking as my guest today.
00:00:22
Lee Hatfield
i have with me Chris Whitehouse. Chris is a YouTuber and his YouTube website or whatever is called Whitehouse Investigates or the Investigations.
00:00:34
Lee Hatfield
And he was a self-confessed skeptic, but he is no longer. Chris, welcome. Thank you for coming, my friend.
00:00:41
Chris Whitehouse
My pleasure. My pleasure, Lee. Yeah, thanks for having me on.
00:00:44
Lee Hatfield
yeah And I've got another Brit on the on the podcast, so there will be subtitles and translations and on the bottom afterwards.
00:00:51
Chris Whitehouse
Oh, yes,
Chris's Childhood Encounter
00:00:51
Chris Whitehouse
I should speak clearly, shouldn't I?
00:00:51
Lee Hatfield
ye Yes, yeah speak speak the King's English, Chris. We got together because we have a mutual friend with Tommy Cullen.
00:01:02
Lee Hatfield
Tommy got me in contact with you because I saw oh i i saw and heard you on his podcast. And some of the stuff that you... told Tommy, I just thought that I had to get you on.
00:01:16
Lee Hatfield
So before we start, let's go back to the very beginning, Chris. How did you first experience something paranormal?
00:01:25
Chris Whitehouse
Oh, well, I was a child, single digits. I think to myself around six years old, we lived in a shop above a house. No, a bakery.
00:01:36
Chris Whitehouse
So the bakery was ours and we all lived upstairs. And one night, like any other... I was sort of eyes closed in bed. And then i felt the covers of my bed get whipped up and, and like flicked.
00:01:52
Chris Whitehouse
It's like when you're too hot, like you you would pick it up and do that draft. I felt the draft go all the way down to my feet.
00:01:56
Lee Hatfield
We do, yeah.
00:01:58
Chris Whitehouse
So I instantly thought one of my brothers, of which I had two, had come in and, you know, was doing it. So I looked to say, stop it.
00:02:09
Chris Whitehouse
And then there was like a a large black shape in the shape of a gingerbread man. Do they have them in America?
00:02:17
Chris Whitehouse
Is that a thing? Yeah.
00:02:17
Lee Hatfield
we do yeah
00:02:18
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah
00:02:19
Chris Whitehouse
So of weirdly stood with its arms out to the side, very thick as well, you know, weirdly thick. But mind you, I was little as well. It's all about perspective, isn't it?
00:02:30
Chris Whitehouse
But seemingly hovering at the end of my bed because its legs were stood sort of apart as well. And I shouted for my mum and dad and nothing really came out, banged on the wall.
00:02:40
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:02:41
Chris Whitehouse
It didn't didn't really reverberate. And so i instead I ducked under my covers and and stayed there until morning when when the light was up, checked if it was light.
Beginnings of a Paranormal Journey
00:02:51
Chris Whitehouse
And that stayed with me to the point that I've only recently stopped holding the covers down at night, told my family what I'd seen and didn't get any a belief from any of them.
00:03:00
Lee Hatfield
All right.
00:03:08
Chris Whitehouse
But that moment... got you know I was like, that was an experience. And as scary as that house was, and there were many things about that house that I was scared of. It propelled me to be fascinated by it. So as soon as I'd see a ghost in the primary school, books sorry, a ghost book in the primary school library,
00:03:28
Chris Whitehouse
I desperately wanted it, which then opened me up to there's all sorts of ghosts and you're not the only one.
00:03:32
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:03:34
Chris Whitehouse
And I'm just fascinated from a terrible young age. In fact, I was at the my first school when I started my first ghost gang by telling ghost stories to two other boys in the playground.
00:03:45
Chris Whitehouse
And and we all had like one story each. And I said, right, like we're going to start a ghost gang. So our first and only investigation was the school toilets where we walked in and ice I was saying, is anybody there?
00:03:59
Chris Whitehouse
Give us a sign. And the other two left a bit creeped out. So I think I gave a couple more. Is there anybody there? and And then left thinking, well, that answers that. It's not haunted.
00:04:09
Chris Whitehouse
You know, that was my first very early investigation. And then it was 20 you know, nearly 20 years whatever later
Skeptic Turned Investigator
00:04:17
Chris Whitehouse
that last started a team.
00:04:17
Lee Hatfield
And it's interesting, yeah there's a few points that yeah I love it how, and I've had this quite a lot recently, how people have experienced something when they're young and they always put their head under the sheets, like this sheet is the ultimate protection.
00:04:36
Chris Whitehouse
Yes.
00:04:36
Lee Hatfield
Nothing can get past this sheet.
00:04:38
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:04:38
Lee Hatfield
And it yeah it's yeah it's like when you see pictures of like cats or dogs or elephants even hiding behind a telegraph pole.
00:04:47
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:04:47
Lee Hatfield
but yeah
00:04:47
Chris Whitehouse
Yes.
00:04:48
Lee Hatfield
you You can't see them. or so They can't see you, so you can't see them. And I think that's what that concept is.
00:04:52
Chris Whitehouse
yes
00:04:54
Lee Hatfield
But, yeah you yeah, I know that we said at the beginning that you you were a self-confessed sceptic and not so much. I was a sceptic for the longest time.
00:05:06
Lee Hatfield
yeah And I didn't have anything of what I remember have it happened to me as a child. But something happened later on in life. But it's it's it's weird how you get a bunch of people that have things happen to them when they were young compared to people that don't.
00:05:25
Lee Hatfield
yeah We've got the comparison here hear right now.
00:05:26
Chris Whitehouse
Mm-hmm.
00:05:29
Lee Hatfield
So what point did you, yeah you said that you were reading the book and you got the ghost gang. When did you kind of realize that there was something different in this world and you wanted to investigate it further?
00:05:46
Chris Whitehouse
Well, that's an experience I had as as a a child, I just mentioned.
00:05:48
Lee Hatfield
you
00:05:51
Chris Whitehouse
So I see a ghost, I'm asking around, and i would absorb any TV program. We're talking 10 years later now. I'm about, you know, 15, 16.
00:06:02
Chris Whitehouse
And things on the TV were always very... look down your nose at anyone who were was saying they'd seen a spirit. You know, it was like, they were probably wrong. They were probably tired. but You never know. You
Formation of Paranormal Team
00:06:15
Chris Whitehouse
know what mean? It was always that. The angle was, people might say they've seen the Loch Ness Monster or they say they've seen a Yeti or whatever.
00:06:23
Chris Whitehouse
But you know what these people are like up in the woods. They go a bit crazy. It was like very demeaning sort of thing. So I suppose I was raised on the attitude of ghosts are fantastic stories.
00:06:34
Chris Whitehouse
But let's be honest, they probably didn't see what they thought. So, yeah, I think that's when I sort of was like, yeah, I was a kid. I was a child, you know, and it's very easy to see things in shadows, think there's something under your bed. So I convinced myself that as fun as it is, it's probably not real. And then you get into it and you real, you know, ideomotor effect or...
00:06:59
Chris Whitehouse
you know there's faces parable pareidolia seeing faces in clouds and trees and then so yeah I became skeptic and then wanted to start a team when I'd see the ghost programs with orbs lights all these things that they see that we don't see on camera it was a black shadow and it moved and It's just like, yeah, but we've all sort of woken up and been scared of a figure in our room and it's us co-hanging on the back of the door.
00:07:33
Chris Whitehouse
You know, so my attitude was, I really need to settle this debate. It's no good me assessing what somebody else has seen. I need to be seeing things and then debunking them.
00:07:47
Chris Whitehouse
So that was when I actually, you know, in my 20s, started a a team of my own. to to say, and this is what they was mistaken about. This is the peripheral vision. There's always any peripheral vision. Well, let's find out why. if That can't be trusted. The brain can't be trusted. So yeah, I had all these ideas of how was going to either disprove it or be changed by something.
00:08:16
Chris Whitehouse
And it ended up
Investigative Methods and Skepticism
00:08:16
Chris Whitehouse
being I was changed by things.
00:08:20
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because, yeah, obviously I was from the UK as well. And when I was a lot younger, I used to buy the magazine Arthur C. Clarke Unexplained.
00:08:32
Lee Hatfield
and it used to have ghosts and it would have cryptids and UFOs. And I've told people before, I was absolutely convinced that I would encounter spontaneous human combustion on a daily basis.
00:08:46
Lee Hatfield
Because it was in this book in this magazine, it pictures of people being burned and stuff like that. And I thought, Oh, this is going to be a thing that I'm going to deal with in life on a daily. But it wasn't Bermuda Triangle is another thing. Why are people not disappearing and stuff like that anymore?
00:09:02
Lee Hatfield
And it's it's really odd how when you were younger, and yeah we both remember like the most haunted TV show, that was probably but a lot of people's first experience of ghost hunting.
00:09:19
Lee Hatfield
But now it's it's well it's a million-dollar business now. yeah There's so many places and so much equipment that you can buy. it's ridiculous how how it's blown up to how it was when we were kids.
00:09:32
Chris Whitehouse
Yes, but the water the water is so muddied now. I think it's too late to prove the paranormal. I don't think it's possible. You can have the best evidence and someone just has to say it's AI and you're done.
00:09:45
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:09:46
Chris Whitehouse
It's like, yeah, I can't, look fine, I can't convince you. I watch our own evidence, be it table tipping or Ouija board. And even i watching it back in as I'm editing, I'm like, it just looks fake.
00:10:02
Chris Whitehouse
Thank God I was there. You know what i mean? So I just, yeah, I think it's too late. I think we just have to enjoy it or not because the people do fake it as well.
00:10:11
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:10:13
Chris Whitehouse
And there's a lot of money in, well, I don't know. People say there's a lot of money in it, but I have stories and yet I know for a fact that's not going to convince anyone. And even if it did, even if everyone 100% believed me, I don't see where you would get money from it.
00:10:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because one thing that we do as a team, if you say that you're experiencing things at your house,
00:10:31
Chris Whitehouse
You know? Yeah.
00:10:39
Lee Hatfield
we will first off, we'll send you a questionnaire of loads of different questions. And it also includes, yeah are you taking regular drugs?
00:10:50
Lee Hatfield
Are you taking recreational drugs?
00:10:50
Chris Whitehouse
yeah
00:10:53
Lee Hatfield
do you drink? yeah Do you have any mental health issues? So we kind of get a breakdown of what we're looking at from the get go.
00:11:04
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:11:04
Lee Hatfield
But then when we turn up, before we even look at the paranormal, I will be checking for high ranges of EMF.
00:11:15
Lee Hatfield
I'll be checking for black mold. I'll be checking for other kinds of radiation. I'll be checking for carbon monoxide. yeah And i'm we literally break down everything that is normal.
00:11:29
Lee Hatfield
before we look at the paranormal. And I think that's kind of the right way to go, rather than just go in there with all your bells and whistles and go, oh there's ghost, and there's a ghost, and there's a ghost. Because yeah your credibility is just going to be yeah shot through the roof.
00:11:39
Chris Whitehouse
Yes.
00:11:44
Chris Whitehouse
I think it's really important to go in with a disproving mind
Validating Paranormal Evidence
00:11:49
Chris Whitehouse
and throw evidence out. If you're not if you're not sure, it's gone. Throw it out. You know, because most of the time it's nothing. It's it's a rare case to to get every all the conditions just right that a a spirit shows himself. Because I thought, if I asked long enough, why don't why doesn't a spirit just appear in front of me?
00:12:09
Chris Whitehouse
You know, if I'm talking to someone on a Ouija board, I'm like, well, can you just not just appear? You know, it's frustrating. Why isn't that the case? You know?
00:12:19
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah. And i'm I'm kind of in a lucky position because if I get any evidence, whether be on video or audio, I've got a couple of different people in different parts of the country that I can send this evidence to. And if I've got an EVP,
00:12:36
Lee Hatfield
i one of my close buddies, he will actually break it down for me and he'll go, even down to voice waves, he'll go, this is your voice wave, this is my voice wave, this is me banging on a table, and this is what you heard.
00:12:51
Lee Hatfield
And you will break it down to that much detail that you go, OK, it's not me. It's not a normal noise. But we don't know what it is. But we won't come out and say, oh this is paranormal. We will just go, we cannot explain what this is.
00:13:09
Lee Hatfield
yeah And that unexplained pile keeps getting bigger and bigger, unfortunately.
00:13:13
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah, I mean, a lot of the evidence and evidence you get... on the night, on any night, would be, well, that could have just been a coincidence that that knocked, in you know, that the building ticked in in the moment we were asking out. And let's be honest, we asked out all night. So if any, it's not far away from me asking for a noise that the house can make a knock naturally, expansion, contraction.
00:13:36
Chris Whitehouse
And then I'm like, oh, that was a ghost replying. you know So it's it's yeah it's difficult it's difficult to actually find what evidence is is real. And so on the other hand, though, all these coincidences pile up to be such a pile of coincidences that that starts to be a problem.
00:13:57
Chris Whitehouse
you know If you've written off a hundred pieces of evidence as coincidence, it's like now you're just being blind. you know coincidences don't happen that often.
00:14:04
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:14:07
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:14:07
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So I want to put something out there. i want to I want to give you a scenario that I experienced a year last November. So we were going to a local jail. A friend of mine was doing a public event. He did not like going to death row because it freaked him out, as he put it. And he's a big guy, huge, like twice my size.
00:14:29
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:14:30
Lee Hatfield
So he says, can you come and give me hands so I've got someone to talk to? So I took the wife with me and this prison is closed now and it's got a courtyard and they've got a simulation of the gallows because I think five people were hung there.
00:14:46
Lee Hatfield
So the wife says to me, i want to have my picture taken on the gallows. And the gallows are in the corner of the courtyard. There was a marquee in one end for public events and stuff.
00:14:58
Lee Hatfield
And me and this guy were sat on like a concrete walkway for they the wheelchair access into the the room.
00:15:04
Chris Whitehouse
Oh, yeah.
00:15:06
Lee Hatfield
So as she's coming back down the steps of the gallows, My buddy, Elliot, says the last three people to be hung were buried in this courtyard.
00:15:20
Lee Hatfield
you want to have a guess where? And as my wife hit the grass, she went, oh, yeah, that's easy. There's one here, there's one here, and there's one here.
00:15:31
Lee Hatfield
So I'm looking at my buddy Elliot. Elliot's looking at me. He went, what the hell have you married? was like, yeah what how how that what what? And she went, it got really cold, and it warmed up, and it went cold again, and it warmed up, and then it went cold again.
00:15:48
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, how can we explain that? Go, as as as a previous skeptic, give me your wisdom.
00:15:55
Chris Whitehouse
Well, do we know it was do we know it was right? You've not said and that was correct yet.
00:16:00
Lee Hatfield
Well, he actually said afterwards that she said it, that she was correct in all three locations.
00:16:08
Chris Whitehouse
Right, okay, okay. So the two options there are either we're saying that she has a psychic sense and the way that it tells that there's a ghost nearby is that she gets called, or are we saying that a spirit...
00:16:25
Chris Whitehouse
Well, the spirits aren't going to just sit in those graves, are they?
00:16:29
Lee Hatfield
No, they're not. You're right.
00:16:30
Chris Whitehouse
So I think we can probably rule out that a ghost is giving off you know a cold spot. Because why would they be sat on the graves like obedient puppies?
00:16:40
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, just just like, yeah I was told in waiting for somebody.
00:16:41
Chris Whitehouse
So really, that's more down to your wife's picking up the way that her body tells, you know, if that's what we're saying, a sixth sense, something we don't understand. But feeling and your body, I think that's one of the best pieces of equipment that we have to go on, you know.
00:16:58
Chris Whitehouse
So, you know, intuition, we don't understand these sort of things. So, yeah, how do you explain that? part Well, you can't because all you're saying is that she's, really good at guessing, which is a a coincidence.
00:17:10
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah
00:17:12
Chris Whitehouse
as Well, we'll put that down a coincidence, and you're like, okay.
00:17:13
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:17:15
Chris Whitehouse
But if your wife does that at every, or every tenth, you know, I don't know, every so often, knows things she shouldn't know, coincidences kind of get brushed out of the way.
00:17:16
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:17:25
Lee Hatfield
Exactly.
00:17:25
Chris Whitehouse
So, yeah.
Ouija Board Experiences
00:17:26
Chris Whitehouse
I mean...
00:17:27
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:17:28
Chris Whitehouse
it's it's it's a great It's a great data point that we'll put to one side and say, that's interesting. And then we'll well try and get her to walk around and find things again.
00:17:37
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:17:38
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah. And we never, even if we have all these data points, we're never going to actually fundamentally going to be able to say, she's got this power because we don't know what that power is. But yeah.
00:17:47
Lee Hatfield
Exactly.
00:17:47
Chris Whitehouse
Is there any other stories where she's known things like that before?
00:17:51
Lee Hatfield
Well, funnily, not what I'm aware of. yeah And we hadn't really spoken about it. and But then she's also saying that when she was walking around that same location, she felt like she was getting a trouser leg pulled, like yeah like a child tugging on it.
00:18:06
Chris Whitehouse
Right.
00:18:09
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:18:11
Lee Hatfield
But also at that same location, but because we wanted to investigate that prison, and we did go back a few months later. And I went into one small room, and it was relatively dark, so I'd got my camera. And I was basically doing a walkthrough with this guy so that I could go back to our guys and go, this is the layout.
00:18:34
Lee Hatfield
And I was in this small room and all of a sudden I got what felt like somebody stroked the side of my face.
00:18:42
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:18:43
Lee Hatfield
Now, I've got a skeptic mind, so my my immediate thoughts were spider, cobweb, whatever.
00:18:51
Chris Whitehouse
yes
00:18:53
Lee Hatfield
But then you can rule that out straight away because the room was in the process of being redecorated. There was decorators, boards, blankets, and cans of paint on the floor.
00:19:07
Lee Hatfield
They'd been in that day, and the strong smell of paint was in the air. So unless it's a spider that's on speed, you there's actually one up the wall and created a cobweb within like an hour.
00:19:19
Lee Hatfield
I think we could roll that out. It was deep into the prison, so it wasn't going to be a draft from a door or window or anything. So again, another unexplained experience in the same location.
00:19:32
Chris Whitehouse
you you so You use the term st stroke. Now, to me, a st stroke is something that starts in one spot. and goes to another. Do you stick with the word stroke?
00:19:40
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:19:41
Chris Whitehouse
Or were you thinking palm?
00:19:41
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, it was literally from from the top of my to my face down to my chin.
00:19:43
Chris Whitehouse
It went like that.
00:19:46
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah, that's, I mean, you can't even say that's a muscle spasm, can you?
00:19:50
Lee Hatfield
No.
00:19:50
Chris Whitehouse
You know, because I've been touched. I get tapped on the head and people will say, oh, you might had twinge. I've not had a twinge when I'm not on an investigation. You know.
00:20:01
Lee Hatfield
exactly Yeah, Yeah.
00:20:04
Chris Whitehouse
so That's good.
00:20:04
Lee Hatfield
Like you say, so there are plenty of things that we cannot explain.
00:20:04
Chris Whitehouse
No, that's good.
00:20:11
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:20:12
Lee Hatfield
But after listening to yeah the episode with you and Tommy, one thing that I do want to talk about because I found it absolutely fascinating is your Ouija board encounters.
00:20:27
Chris Whitehouse
who
00:20:28
Lee Hatfield
And yeah i know that you mentioned your your guide, Sam. So if you can go back in time a little bit and tell us how you first encountered Sam, and then we can move forward with this part of the
Encounter with Spirit Sam
00:20:42
Lee Hatfield
conversation.
00:20:42
Chris Whitehouse
Okay. So I've done, with my team, we've used Ouija boards first and foremost for a decade and met certain spirits in like my workplace that was were repeatable, that would show up.
00:20:58
Chris Whitehouse
you know You knew they were there. Yeah. So it was no surprise to go to my work and meet Luke and David every now and again. you just these common names, which is how I thought it would play out.
00:21:10
Chris Whitehouse
If you go back to the same environment, location, you reckon I think you should meet the same people. And then some new ones coming through, you know, family members sort of people who were there, whatever.
00:21:24
Chris Whitehouse
And you get good nights, you get but bad nights. But then the time we met some time time we met Sam Durst was in York. And with you had to book the location for two nights. They took that much money. You couldn't do it for one night.
00:21:40
Chris Whitehouse
Fair enough. And because I was with my son on day one, the ladies of my team went ahead of me and went for the first night. And I get a message from them saying, it's all kicking off, Chris. You know, we've met these spirits and there's a bad thing here. Apparently she's warned us that you don't like women.
00:22:05
Chris Whitehouse
I can't, yeah, I don't want to specify because in case I start making things up, but that was the vibe. There's something here, met a lovely woman who's getting bullied and you wouldn't believe what's happened. Knocks, bangs, we were terrified. We couldn't sleep.
00:22:22
Chris Whitehouse
properly after our sessions we went out and walked you know we must have tried to go to bed and were too frightened and started walking the streets of York so they were shattered can't wait for you to come Chris so Saturday afternoon I arrived thinking they've they're just having a great time you know they're winding each other up like a girl's sleepover you know having having fun But then when I get there, they were were're really full of stories like and they'd gone out for a SIG break and there's a little courtyard where you go and then not long been there and the door just seemed to shut on them and shut them out. And then only one of them had the key. Luckily, that one person was still upstairs.
00:23:09
Chris Whitehouse
And they couldn't get back in. And they were sort of joking and, you know, oh, that does this this house don't want us in there. So half joking, but it seemed like there was signs all the time that something out of the ordinary, more than more so than usual, was happening. Yeah.
00:23:28
Chris Whitehouse
And I arrive and the place in the shambles in New York, every sort of hot house leans. It's The houses lean together and it's really popular area in York because it's so old.
00:23:44
Chris Whitehouse
And I immediately like, okay, if I put a marble on this floor, it'd roll and hit the wall. And then you're going in the lounge and the TV is on a slant, the opposite way to the door. and you It's like a hall of mirrors. I'm saying, look, this is, I immediately feel off kilter, like I'm on a ship because nothing's straight.
00:24:04
Chris Whitehouse
And so that's my sceptical, okay, again, you know, this is this is just what they've been living in for hours. Let's see how i if I start to have similar things.
00:24:15
Chris Whitehouse
And I'm like, right, girl, what happened? What actually happened last night? Tell me properly. m And they'd met a woman called Ursula. And I think there were they'd got the number maybe for, let's say, spirits in that house. Ursula was the main one, and she'd warned us that there was another mysterious one. A candelabra had slid off a table,
00:24:40
Chris Whitehouse
And instantly I'm like, you something moved. We don't really get that. without With our hands on it, yeah, we get table tipping, we get Ouija board. But were like, no, no one touched it.
00:24:51
Chris Whitehouse
Candelabra fell off. And there was like all sorts of stuff nailed to the walls like a guitar. And they said, that guitar strummed on its own. And I'm like, really?
00:25:02
Chris Whitehouse
This is also like the thing that you wish for. And after 10 years, I'm like, well, did you get it on camera?
00:25:06
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:25:09
Chris Whitehouse
No, no. Oh, right. I know they're not liars, but they could have just been having fun, knocked something that vibrated up the wall and it gave off. You know, you sit instantly thinking, well, it could have been that. Let's get it together. Right, come on, let's start our second investigation. I'm going to open up, get the Ouija board.
00:25:28
Chris Whitehouse
In fact, we'll start the Ouija board off. And I stepped off, got my gauss meter out, put it on the stairs. Because you go up to you go up to the this first floor where the lounge kitchen was. Then you go up and net another set of steps to the bedroom.
00:25:43
Chris Whitehouse
And I put the gauss meter on the stairs up to this upper floor. And as they're seemingly getting... Ursula coming through again.
00:25:54
Chris Whitehouse
They were saying, oh, this is Chris. This is the nice guy we told you about. He's all right. You can trust him. The gouse is flaring on the stairs. So I pick it up and I move it down a couple of steps and it starts to go it do it again, you know.
00:26:10
Chris Whitehouse
I instantly like reach my hand out and say, hi, Ursula, I'm Chris. My hand, and it was a hot July day, so humid. My hand only went really cold, like a breeze on it.
00:26:24
Chris Whitehouse
and that And it shocked me. I turned to them. I'm like, that felt weird. My hand went really cold. As if, have I just shook hands with a ghost? I kind of joked. You know, it's just an unusual thing. The gauss went off as if someone came down the stairs. So I jumped back on the board and...
00:26:42
Chris Whitehouse
it's going on again. There's someone here who doesn't like you, you know. And sure enough, eventually this guy comes through, calls all the teammates whores and and was really abusive, obviously wanting to do them harm.
00:26:59
Chris Whitehouse
And they're like, normally we just push our way through that. We get a lot of, I'm going to do this to you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it turns out they're not, you know, it's just having a play around.
00:27:13
Chris Whitehouse
But this actually kept going. So because Ursula was bullied, we stopped for a minute and we we managed to, allegedly, because I'm not a medium or anything, but we seemed to go through a thing where wed we'd made Ursula go. Go through the light. You know, you've probably done it yourself. Go through the light and Sam can't go follow you.
00:27:39
Chris Whitehouse
And after that, he was really angry. I'm going to kill you I'm going strangle you in your sleep. And I'm like, has she gone, Sam? Yeah. Where's she gone? Where's she gone? Well, i don't know. I don't know where she's gone. Well, she's gone somewhere. where She got collected by somebody she knew, her dad or something.
00:27:55
Chris Whitehouse
We don't know. We didn't even know, you know, we don't even know how you can do that through,
Making Peace with a Spirit
00:27:59
Chris Whitehouse
you know. So, yeah, he was our enemy. And so we had to take a break.
00:28:05
Chris Whitehouse
And the girls were like, we are so tired. There's no way we can stay up all night. What he is saying is going to strangle in his app strangle laws in our sleep. We've had movement in in here that we can't explain, things, you know, that we've always asked for and they're happening.
00:28:22
Chris Whitehouse
he's He's stronger than every other spirit we've ever met. And we think we're in danger and you're not staying tonight. yeah You're driving back home. And I'm like, yeah, there's not enough room. You've got all the beds.
00:28:33
Chris Whitehouse
So it came down to doing the Ouija board and one of the girls would absolutely jump out of her skin because she thought that she saw like a black mass running along the floor. And I'm like, are they just really hypersensitive?
00:28:48
Chris Whitehouse
you know, when you get yourself in such an emotional state, you start to amp things up. But on the other hand, I'm like, yeah, I've never seen evidence like this before. I'm saying, come on then, Sam, make a noise. And the the the window two or three floors up from the road smacks like a hand had slapped it from the outside. And I can see the window four foot from me and hear it.
00:29:09
Chris Whitehouse
And there was nothing there. The fireplace, I ask again, another noise. All detritus falls down on cue into this decorative, what used to be a real chimney fireplace, like something's scrabbling around in there.
00:29:24
Chris Whitehouse
And I'm like, yeah you're right. This place is not like anywhere else. So... Yeah, I'm Sam Durst. You're not going to be able to get rid of me. I refuse to go.
00:29:35
Chris Whitehouse
I'm going to hurt you all. So in the end, we said, you know what? It's probably best we we're out of our depth. I don't know what I'm supposed to do in this situation. Let's leave for the best of our, in case we are in danger.
00:29:50
Chris Whitehouse
So yeah, we left, which which made it a very special case, driving home going, what are we why are we doing this? This never happened. And what do we do next? What do you do when you come up? I want a ghost to come up and stand in front of me and slap me around me round the face. And then it seems like one's going to do it.
00:30:08
Chris Whitehouse
You're like, ooh, now I've got to think, what, do I want that? you know
00:30:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:30:13
Chris Whitehouse
So yeah, we sort of, we went home and tried to do some learning. And I thought, what's the best, quickest way to learn? Well, we'll go to a cemetery towards you know miles away where we live.
00:30:27
Chris Whitehouse
and say, look, any spirit, we've got this weird situation where a spirit... And the first thing that came through in the in that cemetery was Sam. It's me, Sam, calling and everyone whores, doing the secret the the movements and the and the use the words that he used were racist about this Ursula. So as soon as it's... We're we're not going to start spelling out racist things. So it's like it was a bit of a calling card.
00:30:54
Chris Whitehouse
So we were confident. And I should say that the meters were going off blindingly when we were at York. And now in this graveyard, the meters are going off full whack. It's just like his signature move. This is this character again.
00:31:09
Chris Whitehouse
And so I'm trying my best to keep my calm while everyone else is freaking out. All right, Sam. Hello. Nice to meet you again. Thanks coming through. This is bizarre. How how are you doing this?
00:31:20
Chris Whitehouse
You know, try to be respectful. And yeah, don't ever come back to my house. dot doh-daddah And then he'd go and they were just the regular cemetery spirits.
00:31:31
Chris Whitehouse
But then we'd go two weeks later to another investigation near us. Okay, maybe it was spirit two this time. All the meters flare. Everyone goes cold. It's Sam.
00:31:42
Chris Whitehouse
And I've been watching you. And I can tell that other day you were doing this. And that person's like, yes, I was. How well the hell do you know that? You know, you were in the kitchen and you dropped a cup and...
00:31:53
Chris Whitehouse
whatever it was, was right every time. So we were kind of being harassed for months because COVID hit and we weren't going to get back to his house for a couple of years. And over those two years, he was perpetually on our case. We all were going on the WhatsApp group like something massive has just happened. Like I nearly walked into a person on the landing thinking it was my son in the dark, but then realizing my son wasn't there that night and sort of I said something to Sam that, you know, it might have taken months later where I got to a Ouija board and said, hey, something happened. Can you tell these guys what happened?
00:32:31
Chris Whitehouse
Oh, yeah, he nearly walked into me and he said, not not effing now or whatever. You know, and i was like, yes, and I was the only person there and I'm trying to be cynical, you know.
00:32:43
Chris Whitehouse
So even even to this day, when Sam comes through, he he he makes himself known. We ought we're all look at each other like, knockin he feels like him. And he's saying words that equate to being in him. Now, I must also say that we did eventually go back, which was an amazing night, a weekend, because it's two nights.
00:33:04
Chris Whitehouse
and And we managed to to get him on our side. And now he follows us around in much more of a helpful kind of way, which just shows you push through with any horrible thing. And eventually you might meet, meet the humanity on the other side, which made me appreciate.
00:33:22
Chris Whitehouse
I've gone into his house telling him, I've got rid of you, what you think is your spirit, girlfriend or whatever. And now I've, I've threatened to kick you out of your house.
00:33:33
Chris Whitehouse
Why wouldn't he hate us? You know, he's got every right to.
Ethics in Spirit Communication
00:33:38
Chris Whitehouse
Calls himself king, so he's very arrogant. But he's very strong, so in a way I'm like, yeah, you are my king. You're awesome.
00:33:47
Chris Whitehouse
You're awesome.
00:33:47
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:33:47
Chris Whitehouse
everything I've ever asked for. You know, so...
00:33:50
Lee Hatfield
That is. it's Yeah, to have something like that, because, yeah, we, well, I don't personally, yeah I don't know what it is, but if someone said to me, want be part of a Ouija board? I'm one of these people. I've got no evidence to back it up, but I'm just going to go, no, thanks.
00:34:07
Lee Hatfield
I'm just going to step back and I'll be the one that's recording it.
00:34:07
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:34:11
Lee Hatfield
And we actually did an experiment where we had three people using and we blindfolded them just to see what would happen.
00:34:22
Lee Hatfield
And we posted it on social media and with be it we put, I can't remember what the title was, and then some, even without looking at the video, someone said, oh, you're playing with toys now, are you?
00:34:35
Lee Hatfield
And we like, watch the video. and And you might be able to tell me better, but because these three guys were blindfolded,
00:34:47
Lee Hatfield
nothing moved.
00:34:48
Chris Whitehouse
Yes.
00:34:48
Lee Hatfield
But was it because they were blindfolded or was it because there was nothing there to move it? That's the million dollar question.
00:34:56
Chris Whitehouse
Well, we've done blindfold Ouija boards a lot because... Obviously, that would be another way to to really show. So I'm back off the table. I've blindfolded my team. and But running up to that, I've got it mo i've got it going with them without blindfolds.
00:35:19
Chris Whitehouse
Okay, there's a spirit here. Move yes and no. Okay, spell cat, spell plate. So I've calibrated the board and the people, then put the blindfolds on. Right now, spell cat and plate.
00:35:31
Chris Whitehouse
And I've spun the board around. Can't do it. And yet, surely you think, well if the spirit's there, what does it matter whether they're blindfolded or not? But it does actually matter according to the spirits. I'm only quoting the spirits say. The spirits say they look through our eyes.
00:35:49
Chris Whitehouse
And so if you've got four people on a Ouija board and only three of them are blindfolded, it does work. But when you blindfold everybody,
00:36:00
Chris Whitehouse
That's what they say, okay? I have no no sort of skin in the game here. I'm only reporting... you know it doesn't make sense to me, but this is what this is what seems to happen. And also...
00:36:14
Chris Whitehouse
I had to make peace with the fact that when you put a deck of playing cards on top of the planchette, if the top one moves first, it's us moving it. And if the bottom moves first, then it must be the glasses moving without us, you know, directly moving it. And because the packt top top one always moves, it's us. And I'm saying in the spirits, well, that just means it's us then.
00:36:40
Chris Whitehouse
And they're saying, yeah, we we use you. to to move to what we want. And I'm like, well, that's really not the answer I want because I can't go to people and say, yeah we're moving it. Cause they're like, yeah, that's why it's fake. You're moving it.
00:36:54
Chris Whitehouse
And all I can come back with that is, The amount of times, which I say in the amount of times, but let's say it's it's maybe 10 times, we had some miraculous information come through that we really didn't know, like lost keys or answers about us personally that we hadn't shared, you know.
00:37:17
Chris Whitehouse
or it's led us to diaries in abandoned buildings. It's in this room. It's under this on this bookshelf. It's this colour, and it's a diary. Go find it. And then you're like, well, the house is ramshackle. It could have been a thousand places to go. And you pull out this book, and it's a red diary.
00:37:32
Chris Whitehouse
From the spirit of this particular one I'm talking about was a farm farm lady who owned the farm. And it had fallen into disrepute because of finances. My husband had...
00:37:46
Chris Whitehouse
unfortunately took him like took his own life like a lot of farmers end up doing. But yeah, this this woman just led us around, oh, there's a blue book in this room and it's our financial records. And it was. And you're like... me if it's us pushing it, I don't have a problem with that.
00:38:01
Chris Whitehouse
If they're looking through us and we are, they're making us push it, but the information that comes through is pertinent and incredible, then we've moved on from it's us moving it. It's like, okay, what, what, what does that leave us with? You know, we don't know these things and now we do, you know, thanks to something forcing us. That's where I'm at at the moment.
00:38:26
Lee Hatfield
I don't know what to say to that.
00:38:29
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:38:29
Lee Hatfield
But it's one of those, okay. But that makes perfect sense to say that yeah they're they're moving it through our eyes.
00:38:41
Lee Hatfield
Because if you've got more than one person on that Ouija board, and we've only just picked who's going to be doing it five minutes previous, If you're going to spell out the name, yeah Sam, Chris, or Lee, all three of you have got to have come to that decision straight away.
00:39:00
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:39:01
Lee Hatfield
And if you haven't been able to communicate, oh, let's spell a name, Sam or Chris, then and and then it moves and spells a name, yes, it it might look like one of you is moving it.
00:39:07
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:39:15
Lee Hatfield
However, where's that information coming from?
00:39:18
Chris Whitehouse
Yes. I mean, there's always, you know, you people start skeptically saying, well, if you say, is there a spirit there? You've got yes and no on the table. Odds are everyone's thinking it's going to move to yes. No one's really thinking it's going to move to no.
00:39:34
Chris Whitehouse
So, you know, all your subconscious muscle movements are going to push it to yes. And that's skeptically that move but that does work. But then so many times we've had like D, A, is that going to be Dave? Is it going to be Daniel?
00:39:48
Chris Whitehouse
You know, or it'll spend it'll spell something completely different in the example I'm giving. And we're all like, I never saw that coming. Damien, you know what mean? It catches you out.
00:39:58
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:40:00
Chris Whitehouse
Or, yeah, information will will come through so fast that you've got to watch the video back to go, oh, it said... I am not alone. And you were like, I am. And you you lose, when it goes on for ages, you lose what's being said. You need that person to write it down off the board or, you know, or it suddenly, things become relevance later on.
00:40:23
Chris Whitehouse
oh It might be like, They might be giving you initials at first. They don't want to give the name. But then those initials in an hour later, you're like, oh, that's right.
00:40:36
Chris Whitehouse
You meant Alexander Whitehead, Patricia Whitehead and Charlie Whitehead. You're giving me the name of all your families where we're going AWPW.
00:40:46
Chris Whitehouse
It doesn't mean anything. It becomes relevant later and you realise what they were trying to do.
00:40:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:40:51
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:40:52
Lee Hatfield
So if you say on a spirit board, Ouija board, whatever you want to call it, yeah is there a spirit here and it goes to no, something has obviously moved it to no.
00:40:58
Chris Whitehouse
yeah.
00:41:02
Chris Whitehouse
yeah.
00:41:08
Chris Whitehouse
yeah
00:41:09
Lee Hatfield
but do you believe that there may be other entities that could manipulate that to know? Or are you a firm believer in, i know we mentioned it offline about fairies and stuff like that.
00:41:22
Lee Hatfield
So like, do you believe in that kind of thing as well or just the spirit realm?
00:41:27
Chris Whitehouse
look In my experience, when it says no, we just all go, all right, we've got a joker here. It's just the spirit being playful, you know, funny. They can be funny.
00:41:37
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:41:37
Chris Whitehouse
Some of them have got really good, sense you know, normal normal person sense of humor.
00:41:40
Lee Hatfield
and except Yeah, exactly.
00:41:41
Chris Whitehouse
So, yeah, I don't suddenly think it's demonic.
00:41:41
Lee Hatfield
it
00:41:43
Chris Whitehouse
Like i've seen a lot of ghost teams, when it does what we call, we call spoking, we'll ask it to move and it'll go to A, B, C, D, and it's like the spokes of a wheel.
00:41:54
Chris Whitehouse
And a lot of people at public ghost hunts, I've seen them like rip the planchette off the board and go, no, no, i don't like that, i don't like that. So we used to go and our own investigations. As soon as we started doing that, we'll say, okay, let's see what happens.
00:42:08
Chris Whitehouse
Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
00:42:11
Chris Whitehouse
Nothing. You know, the the times that make you ill at ease is when it starts to go five, four, three, you're all looking, at oh, two, one, and you wait.
00:42:23
Chris Whitehouse
And then sometimes somebody gets pushed or somebody, you know, but other times nothing again.
00:42:26
Lee Hatfield
yeah yeah yeah but Slightly anticlimax.
00:42:29
Chris Whitehouse
And you're like, oh, that was exciting, but nothing happened, you know. Yeah, yeah, but there's always that hope, up you know.
00:42:36
Lee Hatfield
yeah Yeah, it and it's interesting that you mentioned the D word because yeah when I started really looking into being a paranormal investigator, we have a company that friend of mine owns that does certain courses. yeah and it yeah I've been on the courses for poltergeist and ghosts and hauntings andryptids and One of them was an introduction into demiology demonology.
00:43:04
Lee Hatfield
And it was interesting to to know what the Catholic Church's opinion was on on demons. But it's quite amusing how everybody seems to think that if something bad happens, it has to be demonic or it has to be malevolent.
00:43:22
Lee Hatfield
But if you're using like devices in this day and age, you know even a cell phone or whatever, they may be calling you the demon because they don't recognize the technology that you're using.
00:43:35
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:43:35
Lee Hatfield
And when people get scratched, they automatically think it's benevolent. Whereas I go, well, if there's a spirit that wants to try to communicate with you, it can verbalize, yeah call out, and the chances are you may not hear it. So it may try to shout.
00:43:58
Lee Hatfield
bit louder to try to get your attention. If that doesn't work, the next natural thing for a human to do is to reach out and tap that person to get their attention. Now, is it that transference of spiritual energy that's causing the marks and scratches that people think are demonic?
00:44:17
Chris Whitehouse
I was with you all the way then. i can't speak on scratches. I've never been scratched. I've never witnessed a scratching. You know, i i used i used to ask for it until the spirit, Sam, told me off for asking for that sort of thing.
00:44:33
Chris Whitehouse
He said he shouldn't pull pull that negativity in. But yeah, we've beat we've been to houses where there's a spirit there. It's it's malevolent. it's you know It's negative. It turns out to be grandma so-and-so.
00:44:46
Chris Whitehouse
They were like, well, you didn't listen to me when I moved your thing. You didn't listen to me when I called you. And now having to throw things around, you know, and and really make you notice.
00:44:57
Chris Whitehouse
And they were like, oh right, sorry. Yeah, it's like frustration, like, hello, what do I need to do What do I need to do to make you say hi? You know, so it's more frustration, yeah, being ignored.
00:45:05
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:45:09
Lee Hatfield
That's it.
00:45:09
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:45:09
Lee Hatfield
And there could be the odd occasion that if that individual passed suddenly, that they may not even know that they're dead. yeah So you're going into their their property and it's like, oh, this is my property.
00:45:24
Lee Hatfield
Get out. Oh, this person's not not listening to me. Shout louder.
00:45:27
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:45:28
Lee Hatfield
That's where you get your EVP. but I'm going to throw something at you now because you're ignoring me.
00:45:33
Chris Whitehouse
Yes.
00:45:33
Lee Hatfield
And that that could be the complete story of exactly what's happening.
00:45:39
Chris Whitehouse
I've had many investigations where the solution is to compromise with the spirit. Like you say, i know you used to live here, but you need to live side by side with this person. What can we do to honor you? And they might say, leave fresh flowers on this windowsill all the time.
00:45:57
Chris Whitehouse
Put up a little sign, you know, to commemorate my life, whatever. Put flowers on my grave. we're always trying to mediate, really. You're scaring this family.
00:46:08
Chris Whitehouse
You know, you either do know them or you don't know them. Or you're just coming to visit the grandkids, fine, but you're scaring the grandkids. Try not to let them see you anymore, you know. So, yeah, it's normally a case of You want to be heard.
00:46:21
Chris Whitehouse
Fine. And you don't like them putting that there when the family are like, okay, we won't do that anymore.
00:46:22
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:46:26
Chris Whitehouse
We were going to build this conservatory over your garden, what you slaved over for most of your life. But now we won't. You know, it's the people, aren't they? They're just people.
00:46:35
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. And one thing that I tend to do and investigations, yeah you because you're trying to contact with a spirit that was human,
00:46:49
Lee Hatfield
You treat them like a human being. You don't treat them like a performing monkey. And the amount of people that yeah you go to investigations, oh, touch that device. Well, they might they may not know what that word means.
00:47:02
Lee Hatfield
and yeah So I always go, we have toys on the floor. If you want to go up to the red light, please yeah touch it. yeah I do appreciate that. you probably get asked these questions a lot because you get different teams coming in yeah i apologize if i repeat the same question but we also we are just trying to prove that yeah you are still here in your non-physical form and that's exciting for us and i try to explain the reasons why we're here, not just like, okay, I'm here, not three times and all that kind of stuff. yeah I'm not into that at all. I try to explain to the people that I'm hopefully talking to why we're here and what we're doing.
00:47:45
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah, that sounds exactly like what I do. And they say, look, you're respectful, you're friendly, you're coming with good intentions and we can feel your intentions. So we knew you were coming. You know, as soon as you guys arranged to come, they're like, when we've known for two weeks you were about to turn up and we're all queued up waiting to say things. Like eager puppies, you know, people aren't listening to us here. So now when we actually get around a Ouija board, we've got a chance to speak.
00:48:11
Chris Whitehouse
And yeah, and they say, we like the fact that you've come to not antagonize. Come on, strike me down if you can, you know.
00:48:20
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:48:20
Chris Whitehouse
So yeah, I love the way you've said that because that echoes the way I do it. And it's always worked for me, you know.
00:48:27
Lee Hatfield
And one thing that I find that doing what I've just said does produced results. Yeah, I've had some really interesting interesting EVPs. I've had something that I think was trying to get my attention because i was walking through a kind of like a dining area at this one location and I just got psst and I literally heard it with my with my ears.
00:48:56
Lee Hatfield
And I've got the body cam and I'm turning around and thought like, did someone just psst me? And that's actually one of the evidence that I sent away to a to my other friend who's got a video expert who broke it down. Yes, what the video wasn't tampered with. yeah The audio wasn't added afterwards. You've got a genuine catch. And people go, well, it might have been a car.
00:49:16
Lee Hatfield
Well, OK, how many cars do you know make that sound? Well, it might have been a might have been your
00:49:20
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:49:23
Lee Hatfield
Well, I'm sorry, but shoes don't make that sound either. Well, you might have pushed past a chair. Well, if you swish past a chair with with your trousers on, you're going to make a swishing sound rather than a psst sound.
00:49:34
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:49:34
Lee Hatfield
And nobody, everybody exactly, nobody that I spoke to could explain what it was.
00:49:35
Chris Whitehouse
It's a distinct noise, isn't it?
00:49:41
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah again, on that unexplain pile.
00:49:44
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah, and it takes a second. That's one second out of your night. And we, you know, any ghost team, you might do two or three hours and you might get a couple of those seconds where you're like, oh, that's incredible.
00:49:59
Chris Whitehouse
And that's kind of what you're fishing for, isn't it? These little tiny moments. It's not normally a spirit dancing across the ballroom in front of you.
00:50:05
Lee Hatfield
That's it. Yeah.
00:50:09
Chris Whitehouse
It's normally like your name's called, you're touched momentarily, a coldness. Yeah, they're fleeting. They're
Investigative Methods and Personal Experiences
00:50:17
Chris Whitehouse
fleeting. And and it's enough to bring you back. And you keep going, thinking what fleeting thing might happen tonight.
00:50:23
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So, you I know you mentioned the shambles earlier and like we love the shambles it yeah it because it's so oldy worldy. and Yeah. And it's very popular for tourists. And when we was in the UK a few years ago, we made sure that we went to York and did all that kind of stuff. But is there a location that you went to that you'd never say that you'd ever go back to it?
00:50:51
Chris Whitehouse
No, not at all. There's nowhere i've ever been. No, I've not really done all the hot spots that you might think i I've done. You know, i don't really I don't travel the country, you know, going to Chillingham Castle and Edinburgh vaults or whatever.
00:51:07
Chris Whitehouse
You know, obviously I'd love to go, I don't know, I've got a life. I've got a life to live and i don't I don't give it all over to that one thing, you know.
00:51:13
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly.
00:51:18
Chris Whitehouse
So we're very much a local team. travel to... York is our, like, travel into America for us. It's like a big event where we do have to stay at State Over. Because the miraculous can happen down the road, you know, in a cemetery. If we have a good Ouija board communication and you're seeing things or your metres are going off,
00:51:38
Chris Whitehouse
That's everything for us.
00:51:40
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:51:40
Chris Whitehouse
And it's few and far between. You know, a lot of it's something's moving the glass, but we're just not making any sense of it. Sometimes nothing happens, you know.
00:51:51
Chris Whitehouse
So you find yourself recounting these same stories of amazing things. But ultimately, 16 years, there's a lot of nothing much to report and something was there.
00:52:03
Chris Whitehouse
But, you know, so, yeah.
00:52:05
Lee Hatfield
That's it. And I always tell people that we can spend eight hours in a dark room talking to ourselves.
00:52:12
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:52:12
Lee Hatfield
But even when you do get yeah words coming out, I try to emphasize with people so much that If you hear a word, that word has to be relevant to the investigation.
00:52:27
Lee Hatfield
So if you ask, can you tell me what day it is?
00:52:28
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:52:29
Lee Hatfield
And it comes out with Saturday. it's It's relevant. But if you ask them what date is and they come out with orange, it's it's not relevant to the investigation. yeah Yes, you've got a word.
00:52:41
Chris Whitehouse
yeah
00:52:41
Lee Hatfield
And that like you said earlier, that word may connect something later on. But at that moment in time, that word is not relevant to what you're asking. And some people go, oh, yeah, I've got this list of words that came out.
00:52:55
Lee Hatfield
but they're just random words that don't make any sense whatsoever. and so You can't prove that these words are from spirits because none of them are relevant.
00:53:05
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah. I think it's really important to try and break your own evidence. What i mean by that is to put extra hoops for them to jump through. I'll give you an example.
00:53:15
Chris Whitehouse
I've got a Ouija board which I made and it's A, B, C, D to Z. But I've got another one where it's all jumbled up. They're all random. So it takes the people using it a bit of a, oh, where is the next letter? If they're preempting a word to be stopped, they actually have to put some work in finding it.
00:53:38
Chris Whitehouse
And they're like saying to me, oh, that just made it difficult. I'm like, yeah. So if the evidence comes through, it goes faster than you can find the letters, rules you out, it's better.
00:53:50
Chris Whitehouse
You know what i mean? And putting filters in that the ghosts really have to work hard, but then the evidence just stands up so much more. You know, that SB7 where you ski scan a spirit box, which scans radios and waves. if When you hear a voice, quickly click back manually and fact if there's a radio station there in the same voice immediately it's debunked I know it's I know it ruins the fun but if you don't find something there for long enough click click click click well where's that radio station then you've got fantastic evidence because you've tried hard to make it not be evidence you know
00:54:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:54:32
Lee Hatfield
And yeah, and you're absolutely right. And I know we mentioned earlier about, yeah, there's yeah AI, for example, that we can't trust a lot of the stuff that we see.
00:54:45
Lee Hatfield
But the stuff that we post on our social media, yeah We have this' three core members, but then we have another five members that come on investigations.
00:54:55
Lee Hatfield
We know that that evidence is 100% genuine as it was recorded on that particular night. And if someone says it was fake, well, if you think it's fake, that's fine.
00:55:10
Lee Hatfield
But we were the ones that were picking up the evidence. We know what was going on at that particular time, on that particular evening, and we know what happened. is genuine.
00:55:21
Lee Hatfield
So if you just because you don't believe it, that's not my problem.
00:55:21
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:55:24
Chris Whitehouse
I think it's a complete waste of energy saying it's fake. All I have to say is you you misunderstood what happened. And I'd be like, yeah, that's, of course. Yeah. but I'm telling you my version of it, how it seemed at the time, but none of us can say how it, you know, the truth, which is like, that's that's my interpretation of what happened at the time, you know?
00:55:44
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and it
00:55:44
Chris Whitehouse
So yeah, saying it's fake, it's like, why would I, why would I rehearse this?
00:55:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly.
00:55:49
Chris Whitehouse
You know?
00:55:49
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And if so if somebody can come out with a rational explanation, fantastic, because it helps us learn as investigators.
00:55:57
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:56:01
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah. When my meters go off and then we just we determine that it's one of our phones, not on airplane mode after 10 minutes of, oh, do it again. you know, having a conversation. Then you realize you were talking to mobile phone. and It's like, that's good.
00:56:14
Chris Whitehouse
It's good.
00:56:14
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:56:15
Chris Whitehouse
I don't want to be an idiot, you know.
00:56:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. No, because and we learned the hard way about a REM pod because a lot people say, oh, REM pods can be so easily manipulated. You are right. They can with cell phones, with walkie-talkies.
00:56:28
Lee Hatfield
And we were doing one of our very first investigations and we were using the walkie-talkie and the REM pod was going off. And I got so got really excited until the point that we realized it was due to the to the mic to the the walkie talkie but it was a learning curve but then when we played
00:56:45
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:56:49
Lee Hatfield
the video back, we actually realized that the REM pod went off once a few seconds before I got the microphone and keyed it.
00:56:59
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:56:59
Lee Hatfield
So I didn't even have it in my hand. I had it on my belt. So that one, yeah withre by reviewing the evidence, we we actually captured a genuine activation of the REM pod where it wasn't like electronically manipulated.
00:57:03
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:57:17
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah, but I would say about meters like that, even though you've got seemingly a a paranormal blip, you don't because you can't see the radio waves or the Blu-ray or the Wi-Fi, you don't know what you've got.
00:57:28
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:57:31
Chris Whitehouse
you know You know it's not the walkie. These meters, I just learned this recently, so I'm quite eager to say it again. and This guy was like, Gauss meters, K2s, they pick up, you know...
00:57:44
Chris Whitehouse
whatever, RF signals, you know. And realistically, when they go off, all you all you know is that some sort of energy has made it go off. Nothing to do with spirit.
00:57:58
Chris Whitehouse
It's like a walk has gone off somewhere. Your mobile phone's had a notification. it's It's like, yeah, that's a different way of looking at it. Much more sceptical. Like they can prove there's something electrical going off.
00:58:09
Chris Whitehouse
And because we don't really know, spirits have electrical energy. it's not and But i'm I'm not ruling it out that they like you know when you have a proper conversation, yes, no, buzz, buzz, and it seems intelligent, that's different.
00:58:24
Chris Whitehouse
But generally, you know these things capture natural stuff.
00:58:30
Chris Whitehouse
So all we really know when it's bleeping and flashing is that we've got some natural stuff going on. It's hard to then correlate with spirit, really.
00:58:30
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:58:35
Lee Hatfield
That's it. and we Yeah, we was at a location over a year ago now, and it was an old building that did not have air conditioning.
00:58:48
Lee Hatfield
So it just had a a couple of big plug-in fans. And we would do kind of like a 20-minute session. We'd unplug the fans. And then because it was warm when we were doing, okay, what we're going to do next, we put the fans on. So we kept it relatively cool.
00:59:06
Lee Hatfield
And we had a REM pod on a mantelpiece and there was a big fan plugged in by the side of it on the floor. And just by unplugging and plugging in the fan, we realized that it was setting the REM pod off.
00:59:21
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
00:59:21
Lee Hatfield
And we did it multiple times. And every time we put it, so that surge of energy by plugging in or unplugging the fan was enough to set off the rempod.
00:59:32
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah. I remember we went on a break, flicked the kettle on and all the meters flared up and it was like 10 foot away. And we were like, oh, spirit, and spirit. And I flicked kettle off again, put back on. And I was just controlling the meters like, whoa, we've learned something there.
00:59:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:59:46
Chris Whitehouse
It's not spirit, you know, it's like, it's a shame, but yeah.
00:59:46
Lee Hatfield
and well Yeah. And even something like a cat ball, we have cat balls, but people go, well, yeah, if you stamp stamp your feet, the cat ball will go off.
00:59:57
Lee Hatfield
So what we do, we have a, my buddy always tells me off because I have a geophone, which is like a vibration device.
01:00:04
Chris Whitehouse
All right. Yeah.
01:00:06
Lee Hatfield
So we put a cat ball on top of that.
01:00:09
Chris Whitehouse
Nice.
01:00:09
Lee Hatfield
So if both of them go if both of them go off, you know damn well that there's been a vibration.
01:00:12
Chris Whitehouse
Yes.
01:00:14
Lee Hatfield
But if one goes off and the other one doesn't, then that's something that you have to look into a little bit further. Because if both sensitive devices, which yeah a cat ball and geophone are, how is one going off and not the other?
01:00:20
Chris Whitehouse
Mm.
01:00:28
Chris Whitehouse
No, I like that. That's good. That's my sort of i like things I like. Yes. Yeah.
01:00:33
Lee Hatfield
So let's just go back to the Ouija board for a second. One of our, one of my other colleagues, he loves the Ouija board. i'd Like to say, I don't, but that's just personal.
01:00:43
Lee Hatfield
So when you are opening and closing, yeah are you doing it by the book like you should do where you do the circle three times or or do you just like launch into it?
01:00:54
Lee Hatfield
How how do you open and close?
01:00:55
Chris Whitehouse
What's doing the circle three times? Pushing it, or one of those where people push it around by hand?
01:01:00
Lee Hatfield
yeah Yeah, and just like yeah to open it, and then you close it, and then you go to...
01:01:03
Chris Whitehouse
Nonsense, absolute nonsense.
01:01:03
Lee Hatfield
I
01:01:06
Chris Whitehouse
It's just ridiculous. Why would that be a thing? You know? There's a spirit still there going, what are you doing?
01:01:13
Chris Whitehouse
you Why are you turning around, touching your nose and all these superstitious...
01:01:14
Lee Hatfield
can't wait for listen to this. I don't
01:01:18
Chris Whitehouse
You know, I'm either here or I'm not. You know.
01:01:22
Lee Hatfield
know if you heard that, but a storm just...
01:01:23
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah, was it?
01:01:24
Lee Hatfield
That was that was a bolt of lightning. and Well, yeah, like thunder.
01:01:28
Chris Whitehouse
Oh, wow.
01:01:29
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so we yeah we've got storms for, like say, we've had them for a few days. We've got a couple more coming in.
01:01:34
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
01:01:34
Lee Hatfield
So do you believe in, know, when people are talking about Ouija boards, that you can have kind of like different levels of spirits that you can talk to?
01:01:45
Chris Whitehouse
You mean you're going towards negative, right?
01:01:48
Lee Hatfield
yeah Yeah, so yeah if you're speaking to, like you say, you're speaking to Sam, yeah and he can be at one level, but then you can go to different kind of levels, different portals per se.
01:02:01
Chris Whitehouse
Oh, the question's getting more confusing. Spell it out. Give me an example.
01:02:06
Lee Hatfield
Okay, so, yeah, the yeah anti-Maud is not going to be the first person you speak to. It could be a negative entity that's pretending to be anti-Maud.
01:02:20
Chris Whitehouse
Oh, yeah.
01:02:21
Lee Hatfield
yeah and Yeah, that kind of thing is what I'm trying to get at.
01:02:23
Chris Whitehouse
We've had pretenders, absolutely, yes. Yeah, yeah, you definitely, you got you have to generally do, if it's a family member coming through, solu supposedly, I would always say, look, ask multiple choice questions two or three times.
01:02:37
Chris Whitehouse
What, you know... Or yeah if they can either answer, you know, what would the name of your second grandchild or, you know, I would always ask relevant questions like that.
01:02:48
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah, to make sure, because absolutely, I wouldn't trust anything saying it's my family. Yeah. So, yeah, you do get people, people like to prank in life and they like to prank in death. And I'll be honest with you, I'm going to terrorize ghost hunters when I pass over. Yeah.
01:03:07
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah. Give me some energy and I'm all over it.
01:03:11
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that is going to be so...
01:03:11
Chris Whitehouse
So, yeah, i understand. get it.
01:03:14
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that's going really funny. That is going to be like... exciting yeah The amount of paranormal investigators that get frustrated. When I die, I'm going to come back and I'm going to give you guys shit.
01:03:24
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, it's going be so funny.
01:03:24
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So I can't blame them.
01:03:27
Lee Hatfield
So... Yeah. When you go to locations... Do you have a particular member or do you do it yourself where one member will will get the history of the building so that if any names do come up, they can yeah say, yes, they did live here, that kind of thing?
01:03:50
Lee Hatfield
Or do you try to go in blind?
01:03:52
Chris Whitehouse
I go in blind because surely having something in your head is just a recipe for disaster. Although it's debatable. I've seen people saying, well, who would go in knowing nothing? Surely you need to know what you're looking for. And I can see the argument in both. that I suppose it's a personal preference.
01:04:07
Chris Whitehouse
You know, i went into this. You've given a good example with the Ouija board going around, opening it up. Let's give it some energy. I've seen it done.
01:04:20
Chris Whitehouse
but And then being like, well, what happens if you don't do that? You know, I want to know if spirits are like, well, that's not a thing.
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01:04:27
Chris Whitehouse
So you need to do both, don't you? I went into it doing protection.
01:04:29
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:04:30
Chris Whitehouse
We did protection for years. And then this year i went, let's not do protection. You know, let's just see what happens if we're not protected. Does the energy, you know, change or are we getting more spiritual attachments? Let's see if it's a thing.
01:04:49
Chris Whitehouse
So, yeah, you've got to try. You've got to try both.
01:04:52
Lee Hatfield
and you And you've raised a very good point yeah on protection because yeah when you go and you look through some of these Facebook pages, it's like, oh, yeah, you must protect yourself before you go into any location.
01:05:05
Lee Hatfield
And you yeah it's right exactly what like what you just said. It's sort of like at the end of the day, if you're looking for a family member, of somebody yeah that's still living in that family, they're not gonna be yeah vicious and violent if they weren't in real life. They're gonna be, oh yeah, I'm glad you're here.
01:05:24
Lee Hatfield
This is what I've got to say.
01:05:24
Chris Whitehouse
m
01:05:25
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, is protection really necessary? A lot of times, probably not.
01:05:31
Chris Whitehouse
Well, I could never really, when I looked at protection, i was, okay, we'll make this sphere that we're all protected against anything attached to us. And then we'll say, and you touch us.
01:05:42
Chris Whitehouse
Well, how can you? you just made a You've just forced her out. Come into this Ouija board, what we're all touching, but you can't come through this shield, what we're all sat in.
01:05:51
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:05:51
Chris Whitehouse
How does that work? You know?
01:05:55
Lee Hatfield
that's That's a great point.
01:05:57
Chris Whitehouse
are the spirits going, protection's not a thing, mate. It's just something you tell yourselves. If I want to follow you home, I'll follow you home.
01:06:05
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:06:05
Chris Whitehouse
you know do think, if we were to get into the weeds of it, that if you believe in something enough, it does have a power that's almost palpable. If you think you're protected, it's a great mental...
01:06:24
Chris Whitehouse
stabiliser for afterwards when you've gone home from an investigation your first one you were talking to something and it scared you you can be like look I did protection I'll be fine and and that belief enough will get you through I think and so that's why we used to always do it when somebody new came with us but on the other hand I'm like it doesn't really make sense you know But they seem to have not as much energy as us because we are you know thermodynamic. We eat food to get energy. They don't eat food.
01:06:56
Chris Whitehouse
So they're looking for energy from another source, be it be it our what we're giving off, for you know the the white light, so to speak, or batteries, you know things that, well, it's worked, it's fully charged, and now it's not.
01:07:06
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah.
01:07:10
Chris Whitehouse
you know You've heard that before.
01:07:12
Chris Whitehouse
They seem to who seemed to take energy. When they move around the board, not me doing circles, when I'm asking them, you move this planchette faster around the board, they perk up.
01:07:12
Lee Hatfield
for sure
01:07:24
Chris Whitehouse
You know, static energy. They feed off the static, I guess. I guess. So it does seem like, oh, they've got energy. Oh, no they're out again. Have a rest. Have a rest.
01:07:34
Chris Whitehouse
Build up some. Then I've got some more energy. It's like that. It's like in waves of they need to recharge up and then they spend it. You know, it's all short bursts.
01:07:44
Lee Hatfield
yeah And yeah, and that does make perfect sense. Yeah, the fact that yeah if they are doing what they do by energy, and I love it how some people go, if you want some energy, yeah come and take mine.
01:07:47
Chris Whitehouse
Mm.
01:07:58
Lee Hatfield
but i want I want to see what happens.
01:07:58
Chris Whitehouse
Yes.
01:07:59
Lee Hatfield
And then that person just like, just like.
01:08:02
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:08:02
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:08:03
Chris Whitehouse
It's a dangerous thing to ask because we don't really know what we're doing, do we? We ask it without thinking, well, what happens if they take all my energy? And I've gone drowsy when I've asked somebody like Sam one time, i was getting a bit cocky and I was like, well, enter to me, come come in into me and take me over.
01:08:18
Chris Whitehouse
I started to going all dizzy. Then I thought, you know what? I retract that, get out because I don't know, why would I do that? You know, why would I allow you in?
01:08:25
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:08:27
Chris Whitehouse
So, yeah, it we we don't really know what we're doing, but yeah so my only data points are what I've experienced.
01:08:27
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Oh. And we get.
01:08:35
Chris Whitehouse
I love hearing other people's, but, yeah. Oh, you can only investigate at night. No, I investigate through the day. makes absolutely no difference. You know, it's like but you hear these, you you do what you you're told to do.
01:08:47
Lee Hatfield
we
01:08:49
Chris Whitehouse
you should always do this with a Ouija board, et cetera. And then start to go, well, do you though? Let's try. Let's see what happens if you don't do that. Much to my part, my team's sometimes horror. They're like, what?
01:09:03
Chris Whitehouse
Why do we have to draw pentle and pentagrams everywhere and open multiple Ouija boards? Just to see what happens. Someone's got to do it. You know?
01:09:10
Lee Hatfield
exactly Yeah, exactly. I'll take one for the team.
01:09:14
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
01:09:14
Lee Hatfield
and yeah
01:09:15
Chris Whitehouse
It's,
01:09:15
Lee Hatfield
i I love it how when you watch some of these shows or whatever, they and then something happens, a noise, or and they run out. Sort of like, you asked me to make a noise, I make a noise, and then you leg it.
01:09:28
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah.
01:09:30
Lee Hatfield
Then you get the hell out. like why did Why did you ask me to make a noise in the first place if the first thing you're goingnna do is run away?
01:09:36
Chris Whitehouse
Yeah, it's like a fisherman being afraid of fish. Oh my God, what's this thing? You know, I'm going home.
01:09:43
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, Chris, it's been an absolute pleasure. Before we go, if you can tell people where they can find you and if you've got any exciting investigations coming up, please.
01:09:54
Chris Whitehouse
Yes, well, mainly, i'd like you to go to my YouTube page, White House Investigations. And if not, there's a Facebook page.
01:10:04
Chris Whitehouse
you can get in touch with me personally via that. And I'm looking forward to October when we we have booked all of a York pub to ourselves called The Golden Fleece, which has been done by many a team, but not by me.
01:10:13
Lee Hatfield
Bye.
01:10:16
Chris Whitehouse
So, yeah, we we booked... There's not many rooms, but we booked it to ourselves. And... Hopefully, if there's anything there, we'll have a chat with it. So, yeah, that's what I am looking forward to. Next week, no, next week, early next, mid-July, mid-July, I'm going to a place, a YMCA with another team on a p as a guest myself, just a paying guest.
01:10:40
Chris Whitehouse
So I'm hoping that that's that's an all-nighter, 9pm till 9am. Hopefully, I'll come away with some stories from that. You know, i'll probably watch them do it a certain way. And then when they've all gone to bed, crack out my own Ouija board and do it how I like to do it.
01:10:54
Chris Whitehouse
You know, being apologetic. I know you've been asked all night to do this, but you know give me an hour.
01:11:01
Lee Hatfield
Funnily you mentioned October, we're actually planning a a three investigation, three night trip to the US. So that's going to be interesting for us.
01:11:10
Chris Whitehouse
Fantastic.
01:11:11
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so we're we're so looking forward to that. It's going to be great. But Chris, it's been an absolute pleasure. I've thoroughly enjoyed talking to you. I can't wait for my colleague to see this, to know how to use a Ouija board properly, because he's going to go nuts, I can guarantee it.
01:11:19
Chris Whitehouse
Thanks.
01:11:26
Lee Hatfield
But for now, my friend, it's been an absolute pleasure. Thanks very much. And you have a great rest of the day.
01:11:31
Chris Whitehouse
Thank you very much. Thank you.
01:11:33
Lee Hatfield
Take care. Bye-bye.