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Final Destination 2
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Join Nicholas and Mercedes, after just avoiding death, as they discuss Final Destination 2! They break down the intro car pile-up, discuss the way this movie plays off of what its predecessor establishes, and really decide whether this thing works or not. They also touch on driving in thunderstorms, Season 2 of Wednesday, Gilmour Girls, Golden Girls, HBO's Girls, and much more! Your Morbid Hosts had fun on this one!
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Transcript
Podcast Introduction and Personal Updates
00:01:11
Speaker
What's up, guys? We are back here at Morbid Curiosities with a at another episode for you guys in this season. My name is Mercedes Martinez, and with me is the nefarious necromancer,
00:01:25
Speaker
Nicholas Ewers. it Man, it feels weird to be recording. I can't believe we're actually in it. Oh, man. It's like our own horror movie. I know, shit, we're back on our regular schedule and you know it feels like a decade has passed already. like What the fuck is going on here? What are we doing? And again, we haven't even taken a break from recording, at least. I don't think we've taken a break from recording, but it feels like it's been a very long time.
00:01:51
Speaker
I mean, we kind of alluded to it at the end of Weapons, but a lot's been going on in at least like my personal life. So I'm glad we can make the time to do this stuff and have fun with especially these movies.
00:02:05
Speaker
I feel like everyone has been going through it recently, like fucking with that full ass moon the other night. And then almost every person was telling me that their week was off or their day was off or you know, everyone is going through it. So, yeah, it it feels like it's been a minute since we've been recording and we haven't even taken a break. So, yeah, I get where you're coming from.
00:02:34
Speaker
Dude, speaking of being off, and I wonder if this affected you or anybody else who may be listening in the Chicagoland area. This episode is coming out ah like a week or so, a couple weeks after this happened.
00:02:47
Speaker
But there was a really bad rainstorm on like Monday, i think it was. And I was driving an hour plus to go help my girlfriend with something. And the storm hit.
00:03:00
Speaker
And a car crashed immediately and it was raining so bad I couldn't see. I know the listeners don't care, so I'll wrap this up. I had to pull over on the side of the expressway. That's the only time I've had to do that in my 32 years of existence. And it was like so bad. I thought I was going to crash. I've never driven in that bad of a storm before.
00:03:24
Speaker
So that was how the week started. Holy shit. i was just going to reflect on the fact that we're back on Wednesday's recording schedule and the new season of Wednesday came out a couple of weeks ago and they even gave us a sly shout out on there.
00:03:43
Speaker
Have you watched the the new season of Wednesday? No, I didn't even know it was out, but what do you mean they gave us a shout out? Okay, so it's not a spoiler or anything to anyone who hasn't watched it yet, but no, first half of this season came out and there was you know an interaction between Wednesday and Tyler and Tyler basically tells her, you know, your morbid curiosity led you back to me or something like that. And I was like, oh,
00:04:13
Speaker
They gave us a shout out. They know who we are. that that was just that was the moment we we we came alive in there. wonder if there's a way to screen grab the audio clip and we can post it on our Instagram or maybe or maybe drop it in the episode or something. We should. all right. We got to figure out how to do that because that made my day when I saw that.
00:04:35
Speaker
Even if you just record it off your TV, I think that would be cool. It would be worth sharing. I mean, it's good to see that Tim Burton and the folks he has working for him over there at N***s recognize what we're doing. At least I think Tim Burton's still involved with that show. I don't really know anymore.
00:04:52
Speaker
Yeah, he is. And dude, you got to watch it. It's just, it's very refreshing to get back into that world. um um so yeah, I highly recommend watching it. the second half of the second season is coming out in September. So I mean, you got time, but I would say just watch it now. Just just jump into it.
00:05:12
Speaker
So mike I think my girlfriend is actually into Wednesday. I'll have to double check, but that might be a good show to watch with her because where we haven't really landed on a show yet. So I'm going to pitch that one to her. Thanks for you know giving me some awareness to this very popular show that I'm sure everybody listening already knew was out on Netflix right now.
00:05:35
Speaker
And Netflix doesn't need our plug. So I might bleep every time I say the word Netflix. Damn, okay. if Yeah, that was my shameless little plug there from that show.
00:05:49
Speaker
But yeah, well, at least you didn't go too crazy with the car crash. You know, nothing happened to you. I could have reached my final destination too.
Analysis of 'Final Destination 2'
00:06:02
Speaker
I was about to say, that's a good way to segue into this, though. So yeah, guys, we are covering Final Destination 2. I'll just say spoilers ahead right now, um if we don't jump into them right away.
00:06:15
Speaker
But yeah, you know we covered the fear of flying for everyone in the first one, and now we're covering the fear of driving in the second one and you know you had a perfect example of that shit so and the driving in this one too it's on a nice slick road it looks like it was raining not too long ago even though the earlier scene in the movie it doesn't seem like there was any indication of rain the weather seemed like it was fine all day maybe a little cloudy
00:06:49
Speaker
Enough to see like the transmission oil on the ground. We're we're getting ahead of ourselves, though. No, no, no. You're good. this movie Like I was saying, like this movie, we can... it You even said it's not plot-heavy, but yeah, that fucking road. even got like a motorcyclist speeding his way on the road. It's like, dude...
00:07:10
Speaker
Oh, man. You're about to crash. like You're begging to fucking slip and crash somewhere because what the hell? and it was funny because I was watching video from YouTube, Things You CZ's World.
00:07:24
Speaker
and A lot of my points are going to be from that video, but like... He even mentioned, why is everyone driving on this road with their windows rolled down?
00:07:36
Speaker
Like, that's something you don't see, especially because of the fact that it was raining like previously. So I don't know if that kind of bothered me, too, because in no way in hell, everyone got their windows down.
00:07:47
Speaker
Even the kids like our quote unquote main characters, the people we think we're going to be with through the whole movie, they're smoking weed. They're doing drugs in their car and and there's they know there's a cop around and they just have their windows rolled down. They throw the joint out on the side of the street that the other side that the cop is on. I'm like, what are you guys doing? That's like so irresponsible on so many levels.
00:08:16
Speaker
Exactly. Just dye that shit out and hide it then you would have been fine. And there was even another guy, you know, like doing another drug and shit. So it almost everyone was doing something crazy on the road because you got those two fucking doing drugs, and then you have...
00:08:36
Speaker
a semi-truck driver drinking a beer so almost everyone is under the influence on this road that is a just a means for a disaster there and the semi-truck driver doesn't really have anything to do with the rest of what's happening he's not involved in the crash they just are like hey there's a guy drinking and driving while he's ironically driving a vehicle delivering alcohol that says like drive safe or don't drink and drive or something like I feel like I'm doing something illegal when I'm just you eating and driving like damn both my hands should be on the wheel but I'm hungry that might be illegal is that illegal someone told me you could get pulled over for eating while driving but I never sure you can
00:09:25
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sure you can, but like everyone eats and drives. Well, I'm assuming everyone does, at least like a sandwich or a burger. But someone that I used to work with told me this other girl was pulled over because she was fucking eating a bowl of chili while she was driving. so In that case, you kind of need to dance. Yeah.
00:09:51
Speaker
That's wild. A bowl of chili has gone too far. can't wait till you get to your destination to eat that chili. Or just buy something else from Wendy's or wherever you just pulled out of.
00:10:04
Speaker
Speaking of which, the cop in this movie, of course, he has a cup of coffee. No judgment on that. We all have coffee. But this motherfucker has a full cup of coffee that's in an angled.
00:10:17
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. In an angled like cup holder with no fucking lid on it. why like oh my god it's like sir you must have been walking to your car with that coffee like so close to you you know just splashing everywhere i don't know if you guys have seen friendship the movie that came out this year with uh tim robinson and paul rudd but there's a really funny bit where at the office he's got a coffee cup that's filled to the brim and he's just walking so slowly with it and he does it every day and everybody is always making fun of him for it and i was just like that's what his walk to the car must have been like he must be the doofus at the police station who overfills his cup of coffee every day exactly and if you're already on the expressway
00:11:07
Speaker
That coffee had to have you know cooled down by that point. Should not be scolding hot because it does eventually spill on him and distracts him from looking at the road, but...
00:11:21
Speaker
Yeah, no, I... my God. I hate when I see cups of coffee on TV or movies because I am analyzing the fuck out of them just because I've worked in coffee shops before. I'm just looking at them like there's nothing in that cup.
00:11:38
Speaker
They did not pour anything in that cup. They're not drinking anything. And, yeah so this guy... he let me down with that one cup of coffee usually you have the problem of there's not coffee in that this movie you have the opposite there's too much coffee in that that's not believed first it's like they're not holding that right it's like there's air in there exactly and now it's like too much coffee they gotta find a balance They really
Inconsistencies and Character Development
00:12:07
Speaker
do. just
00:12:09
Speaker
Just half the coffee. Half the cup with coffee. How about that? Or just fucking slam it down before you decide to go on the expressway. What the hell? oh weener I know we're really like picking apart the sequence in a pretty funny way, but in all seriousness, and hopefully this doesn't shift the tone of the pod.
00:12:31
Speaker
I think this sequence is incredibly well done and incredibly well realized. I've watched this sequence maybe times.
00:12:41
Speaker
times for like leading up to the podcast and most of that isn't on purpose this movie I've decided to put on the list of movies I've most frequently fallen asleep to or movies I can't seem to stay awake during because every time I was like I'm gonna watch this movie for the podcast I fell asleep right after the intro I'll be like this intro is badass you I mean I did it alone I did it with my girlfriend Monday night I did it today when i got home and was preparing for the podcast i've and fallen asleep to this movie this and house of gucci are the two but that aside i think that i would have to compare i'll i guess i'll decide at the end of this the season but
00:13:30
Speaker
I think this might be the best directed sequence in the whole franchise. It's fucking crazy how much work seemed like it went into this.
00:13:41
Speaker
Yeah, like them just focusing on each vehicle during this whole scene. i did like what they were showing because you get, you know, the personality of each person in there. You know, you have rory who's like the deadbeat drug addict in there, you know, doing his thing.
00:14:04
Speaker
And then you have... the very mousy looking one, I think her name is Kat. She's on the phone almost in every scene of this movie, but she's on the phone in there. She's smoking, you know multitasking. and They show just like this kid and his mom.
00:14:25
Speaker
I forgot their names, but with them, like okay they are pretty much like attached at the hip in every scene too. so yeah I kind of like the direction that they were going for following them on this road. It's a good way to lay out all of the the characters.
00:14:43
Speaker
But you had mentioned Kat. And I had to think for a second. Wait, Kat, is that the main character? That is an issue I've had throughout this movie. I couldn't tell Kat and Kim apart and their names were similar. I don't know if you had that issue at all.
00:14:58
Speaker
I just couldn't figure out why this cast was casted because aside from the few people that I knew, which really wasn't a lot, Ali Larder and Noel Fisher, as well as Tony Todd, of course, like I didn't fucking know anyone from this.
00:15:21
Speaker
I knew of AJ Cook after this film but yeah everyone in here they were not recognizable to me they didn't have like the type of character that made me latch on to them in this film at all so yeah their names are pretty forgettable uh only reason why I'm remembering a few now is just because I recently watched it Yeah, I am wondering if these movies could benefit from either a little bit of star power or maybe an injection of charisma into some of these characters. These characters are very thin and lifeless, and it's probably the biggest issue of this movie.
00:16:08
Speaker
This is better, i think, in the character department than the last movie, but it still feels very flat, I'd say. But back to like the craziness of the intro, I feel like the whole episode could be the intro. I know we won't stay on it, but it is truly, I think, the best part of the movie. This movie begins on such a high note.
00:16:33
Speaker
it It's weird because I almost said this feel... The intro feels very Mad Max Fury Road. Maybe it could feel like any of the other Mad Maxes, but I haven't seen the original Mel Gibson ones in a while.
00:16:48
Speaker
But I was watching it thinking, like, this is very Fury Road to me. um way, The logs are just smashing into all these cars. It looks like they actually smashed and flipped over cars. Like, could you i know the explosions were CGI, but did it all look practical to you? Could you see any CGI in there?
00:17:09
Speaker
The only time that I really saw CGI to the point that it bothered me was when Kimberly actually you know pulled over and was preventing everyone from going onto the highway.
00:17:23
Speaker
And then the whole pileup occurred. That's when you saw like, oh man, that's a big ass green screen or whatever. But everything else, like it looked pretty effective. um um i agree when, you know, the logs are starting to fucking crash into the state troopers car and fucking destroy him.
00:17:46
Speaker
That was like, damn, you know i I can still believe that fucking shit happened. And then everyone else, when their car is flipping over, even when their car is just exploding, it looks very real in that point where I could believe it Yeah, that's all the money's on screen right there.
00:18:07
Speaker
And when that log goes through that fucking cop car and just demolishes him, I was like, whoa, this is crazy. I that's when I first knew that we were going to be in for an experience that was probably going to be deliver more than the first one. And I i personally do at this point, but like in order of the kills, if you're cool with me going down each kill in this intro, you get the cop. He gets demolished with the log through the windshield. I love that it's just a big, just like,
00:18:41
Speaker
blood everywhere in the cop car splattering it's very insane and then uh the guy on the motorcycle he slides off the motorcycle ends up hitting the log the motorcycle goes and like slices him in half up against the log the guy who is doing drugs his car flips he gets hit by semi and then explodes instantly the businesswoman cat She flipped goes headfirst into a log and flips over. The mom and son, a water bottle goes under the pedal and they can't break.
00:19:14
Speaker
and That was actually something my girlfriend, because I keep bottles of water, I like throw them in my backseat. When we were watching this intro together, she was like, I really want you to stop doing that. I am worried that that is going to happen to you. It was out of a genuine place of...
00:19:33
Speaker
of concern yes i was like okay i should probably not terrify my girlfriend i love that yeah it was pretty sweet it showed that she really cared and not saying that she doesn't show that she cares typically but it really showed in that moment all right But so they go headfirst into a log and explode.
00:19:57
Speaker
The cool guy who just won the lottery, i i ah he was in that movie Snow Day. So Snow Day himself, he crashes into a truck, burns alive.
00:20:08
Speaker
And then the main cast flip over a billion times in a really cool sequence when they're spinning and flipping over. It's very well shot. And then they get... hit by a truck and burn alive.
00:20:20
Speaker
i will say, I did clock that the pregnant woman didn't die at the beginning. You see, i didn't I didn't even pay attention to that because again, like it Well, it was in the beginning of the movie, so you're not really like, okay, this is my favorite character already or you know whatever.
00:20:40
Speaker
completely forgot. She was my favorite. I was rooting for her right away. Seriously? Right when I saw a pregnant woman. I was like, oh, no. I hope she lives.
00:20:50
Speaker
I don't want her to die. And then my girlfriend, in the middle of like the chaos, she was like, did the pregnant woman die? And I was like I actually didn't see her die. And then I started paying attention for the rest. So she didn't call it to my attention.
00:21:04
Speaker
i don't think I would have been paying attention enough to clock it. Okay, okay. I could see that. ah ah Well, are there any other details you want to go into for the intro scene?
00:21:17
Speaker
I mean, we I do kind of want to talk about like when she wakes up from her premonition or whatever, but everything before all the chaos, I'm i'm good on that.
00:21:27
Speaker
Okay, lead us into when she realized she just had a premonition. i just wanted to point out that like her friends die. i did think it was interesting that they removed who we thought were going to be the main cast, and I thought it was a good decision. All of those characters kind of sucked. I liked her friend a little bit, even though she was being really weird with her with Kim's dad around. Yeah, that was no, that was so awkward.
00:21:57
Speaker
I thought she was going to wake up from that, and that was just going to be another premonition. But no, they get struck and killed by the car that killed her in the premonition. And then another thing I have to say, too, I don't know if Kim prevented... Because, you know, the last one, they prevent a certain number of people from dying. This one...
00:22:18
Speaker
The accident happens, and it seems like a whole new group of drivers just died. And so I was just like, wait, she didn't prevent death. She prevented those people from dying. And then other people just died in their place, seemingly, in a still insane car accident.
00:22:34
Speaker
So there's already holes in the logic from the jump with this one, I think. and unless ah Unless I'm misunderstanding the logic here. Yeah, because now it's just like, all right, now these people are dead and they weren't meant to die. So then you would think they would survive because, you know, death has this whole grand design of who's going to die and win.
00:22:58
Speaker
And there's even a scene later on, um um like, I'll just refer to the scene and then we can jump back to this. where the guy Eugene, he, you know, witnesses one of the women die. So then he's all of a sudden freaked out and he attempts to, you know, steal the state troopers gun and tries to shoot himself.
00:23:20
Speaker
But then all six bullets are actually duds. And it's like, OK, well, it wasn't his turn to die. So that's why it was he, you know, wasn't able to shoot himself successfully.
00:23:33
Speaker
Okay, but all these people who were not meant to die are now dead. Make it make sense to me. Yeah, and they try... So there's a weird thing this movie does, and to my knowledge, i three...
00:23:48
Speaker
is the only one I haven't watched yet so far in this like marathon that I've been doing. So I don't know what 3 does. But as far as I know, they never really do the death going backwards thing again. So that's something they introduce in this one, is that death goes backwards.
00:24:04
Speaker
They introduce that death really likes MacGuffins and fake-outs for the audiences. i I believe that death understands he's in a movie, I think.
00:24:15
Speaker
It seems that way because who is he doing all this fucking shit for if it's not for us? He's doing it for Tony Todd because Tony Todd is the only one who seems to have an inkling of what the fuck is going on in this universe.
00:24:29
Speaker
Yeah, in a very creepy way too. I find it very unsettling whenever he walks in the room. People like act like his character is so beloved. I'm like, his character a creep, man. what are we i mean That's not to be disparaging against the late Tony Todd, but his character in this is creepy as fuck, man.
00:24:47
Speaker
i was about to say, like yo, are we about to like start battling it out now? but i He's got a history of playing pretty creepy characters. I know, and that's what makes him so fucking legendary.
00:25:01
Speaker
But no, his character in here is fine. It's just kind of gross that every time we do see him, he's pulling out something from a dead body. so You hear the the sound effects from whatever it is exiting the body of the corpse. It's kind of gross.
00:25:22
Speaker
That's only part I don't like, but Tony Todd, he he makes the movie. He is death. He could be death. you know We won't spoil the later movies, but- Let's just say they don't do that.
00:25:36
Speaker
And that's something they could have done. Is it a spoiler to say what movies don't do, what's not in movies? Is that a spoiler? like No. Like Spider-Man's not in this movie in Final Destination 2. Is that a spoiler?
00:25:53
Speaker
That's a, come on, come up with a different reference. I don't know. That was just right there. Give me a break. i'm My bad.
00:26:03
Speaker
and no But yeah, this this death design stuff and the rules of death, these movies really labor over this stuff. And it seems maybe it's just to eat up time with dialogue. But I could care less about death's design or any of this. I thought we were going to be in for a rough start when the movie begins with a guy on TV talking about death's design and like such a serious way on such a serious platform. I was like, oh my God, more of this shit.
00:26:34
Speaker
But I was able to look past it a bit more in this movie, even though they do. so They're like, wait, death is working backward. Why would death do that? Oh, wait, he's filling out, ah cutting loose ends or whatever. And they tie it back into the events of the first movie, which felt totally unnecessary. But,
00:26:54
Speaker
I mean, it was the second movie, and I guess they didn't know what this franchise was going to be and that the later movies would later really not give a shit about the first movie to an extent.
00:27:07
Speaker
you know It's funny too because I kind of mentioned this in our last episode. so For this one, when I first watched it, I really liked it, i guess because i really believed in the whole like you know the car crash scene where everyone like died in the pileup.
00:27:28
Speaker
That shit could happen, but that was because I was driving it. You it true story? No, no, no. I'm just saying like, damn, to me like- it was kind of like Fargo. you were like, oh, this is based on a true story, but it wasn't.
00:27:41
Speaker
No, I was just like, damn, you know realistically that can happen because i hadn't seen the first one yet and also I had never been on a plane before, so I couldn't relate to that.
00:27:52
Speaker
This I could relate to because I do always see like fucking log trucks like that or like trucks that are like- loading like carrying a heavy load even yesterday driving i saw this one truck transporting a fucking upside down denny sign like i thought that was funny as hell for some reason but hey that could still be dangerous Exactly. I moved away from him and zipped forward because I was not about to let that flip over and crush me. So, yeah, no, no, no. Last movie ended with a sign hitting somebody and they died.
00:28:33
Speaker
You know, this experience you just had combined the two, ah ah two deaths in these movies. They combined a sign and a truck. Exactly.
00:28:43
Speaker
So I was a little nervous about that. But anyway, it was funny because when I first watched this, I really did like it But now watching it Oh my God. When I could not stay focused on it, like how you even said you kept falling asleep, I just kept zoning out like, damn, this part's not interesting or this person's kind of annoying me.
00:29:11
Speaker
you know Let me pay attention to my dog because this part is boring. so Yeah, and them just trying to have this plot connected to the first one, like each person was connected to someone who died before in the previous movie.
Forced Connections and Death Scenes
00:29:31
Speaker
To me, that felt very forced because even when they were in the scene where they were ah Like these remaining survivors, they're all together. They're talking about like, oh, I escaped or I cheated death at one point.
00:29:45
Speaker
They all kind of go into the details of their story of what happened. But then once Clear says, oh, wait, that was actually, you know, Terry who got killed in your story. Then the rest of them all of a sudden started saying, oh, yeah, you know, this person it was, you know, Miss Luton or it was Billy Hitchcock. Like all of them started bringing up the names. It's like, OK, why didn't you say their name in the first place or even come to that realization when all of this shit was happening from the pile up?
00:30:21
Speaker
Oh, my God, I might be connected to these people. I'm sorry. i just went on like a long ass rant that probably didn't make sense. But yeah, that kind of annoyed me. No, it made total sense. It's very sweaty tying it back into the first movie and all of these characters like the cop.
00:30:38
Speaker
They dodged death a previous time off screen, of course. And it was all related to a character who survived the flight 180 explosion from the previous movie.
00:30:50
Speaker
So like the cop, he dodged death because he was cleaning up the death of Billy Hitchcock or whatever. And the drug guy was in Paris and was supposed to go to a concert at a building that collapsed and killed everybody.
00:31:08
Speaker
But Colin or whatever his name was died at the end of the last movie and that death interfered with him making it to the concert. Something like that. It's very sweaty. All of that being said, I didn't hate it just because I know there's lower points that this franchise hits.
00:31:28
Speaker
right now for me, uh, this is probably one of my favorite final destination movies just because I thought it was really fun. I had a lot of fun with this movie that I didn't have with the last one. starting on the car crash did really help.
00:31:44
Speaker
And like me, falling asleep isn't really a test ah ah a testament to the movie not being fun. Part of it, I would say, is a testament to the fact that this scene that comes right after that car accident is a dialogue-heavy scene with all of these uninteresting characters. So it is a fucking snooze fest. It's easy to go to you know, sleepy land for a little bit if you need to.
00:32:08
Speaker
Just throw on that clip on YouTube. yes Yeah, she was not interested at all. Just snoozed throughout the entire entire film. it's These movies are pretty easy to fall asleep to. I don't know why. They're they're weird comfort films. Yeah, this one i had a lot of fun with.
00:32:27
Speaker
I can definitely see why you wouldn't like this one, though. These movies... I feel like it almost depends on like the mood you're in or the kind of day that you're having, whether or not you're going to vibe with a Final Destination movie.
00:32:44
Speaker
Mercedes is being mauled by her dog right now for the listeners. yeah Oh, my God. She walked in the room and then jumped on me. And when you weren't looking, she was booping my microphone so much right now.
00:33:01
Speaker
I wish i I got that on mic. That would have been funny. Yeah, I almost died right there. Because she started slowly pushing me back in my chair. but That would have been one of the valuable moments to be recording the video for this podcast. We can see each other, but we don't record the video for the listeners. But I just saw a dog all up on Mercedes right now. And it was pretty entertaining, actually. It looked like you guys were having a good time.
00:33:28
Speaker
Shut up. I was so mad about that. And now she's bringing me a toy. Yeah, well... It's a dead squirrel. It's actually a bat.
00:33:39
Speaker
bought her little bat. A toy bat? Yeah, I bought her a bat in honor of Ozzy Osbourne, our IP once again. But yeah, that that whole scene when you know Kimberly was trying to explain like, yeah, you know, i had a premonition just like Alex did in the first one.
00:34:00
Speaker
Okay, we know that. And then even after that, when everyone, you know, goes home, this they part ways and they're all seeing the news broadcasts of what happened.
00:34:13
Speaker
Well, I'm kind of jumping the gun and forgetting one part. But yeah, i I don't really like when they show...
00:34:24
Speaker
information on the news in movies because i think that's like a cop-out. Okay, we all know what's going on in the audience, but I think it's such a a cheesy way, a generic way to explain that to the people in the film.
00:34:43
Speaker
Like, okay, yeah, this is what happened in the pileup. Oh, yeah, but this guy also just died. it's like... I don't know, become more creative in those aspects because then they start talking about the guy who like won the lottery that I completely forgot about.
00:34:58
Speaker
and he had just They mentioned that he won the lottery three at least three times before he dies. It feels a little unnecessary. Yeah, and his whole thing is he's coming home. he has ah pile of goods in his hands, hands and you see like all these like this clutter of toys on the ground. and it's funny because you see a toy baby with one eyeball missing, and then you see a little ambulance right there as well, so a little foreshadowing there.
00:35:32
Speaker
But then, yeah, he is in his apartment, you know, doing his thing You hear people leaving voicemails his answering machine that haven't fucking contacted this guy in like a year just because he won the lottery like. That's the third time it's mentioned. The fucking cop mentions it.
00:35:52
Speaker
They mention it on that phone, or that's the second time. They mention in that phone call, then they mention it on the news. It's like, guys, it's not really that fucking have pivotal. like It doesn't even relate to his death that much.
00:36:06
Speaker
His shitty living environment pre-lottery win seems to be all of the reasons why he died. It's totally inconsequential.
00:36:18
Speaker
Yeah, it was so stupid to see that whole scene pan out because just everything he did was just like so sloppy. Okay, I'm about to cook. Let me throw out this fucking pasta noodle thing that I have out the window.
00:36:34
Speaker
and then all the other food that he's making, he's just being like very like, he's just tossing it around, not seeing that a fucking black magnet is in his...
00:36:46
Speaker
container of Chinese food, like okay you could clearly see that something is on there. I do really like that death is like, I'm going to use this spaghetti later. I'm going to save that spaghetti for for later.
00:37:00
Speaker
and The magnet too, I didn't catch this until today, but when the H falls into the Chinese food, it spells the fridge.
00:37:11
Speaker
I was like, that's cute, I guess. Yeah, all the little subtle nods to what's about to happen to this guy. And it's funny, too, because even in, what was it, in that video from CZ's World, he was talking about like how they kind of throw in the themes of like luck and chance in here, too, where...
00:37:37
Speaker
you know luck this guy was lucky enough to win the lottery and then he even bought a ring uh as well as a snazzy watch but like his ring is like a horseshoe like okay that's supposed to be viewed as a lucky charm but then he has some shit luck because he drops the damn ring in his sink drain and then his hand gets stuck and then you know A fucking fire starts in his apartment, and then his fire extinguisher is not working, and he fucking falls going out the window when he's trying to climb down the ladder and then slips on the spaghetti. That's some bad luck. And falls right onto shattered glass, too, right after he slips on the spaghetti. Yeah. I didn't I guess that is the point. I didn't realize that that was the connection they were making. Like, oh, this guy's been on a lucky streak. He's so lucky. And now look how unlucky he is.
00:38:35
Speaker
And, you know, seems like they hammered at home. i guess not enough for me to pick up on it. It must not have been that useful of a tool. yeah I wouldn't have known that either until I watched that film but heard that video.
00:38:52
Speaker
and yeah Then he gets like ah slammed in the face. a ladder just falls right into his eyeball. That scene, it looked so shitty, but his kill was very amusing to me.
00:39:06
Speaker
Pretty horrific. Now, we typically decide, you know, sometimes we'll talk about if characters deserved it. Did this character deserve it? Did he really do anything?
00:39:18
Speaker
don't think he deserved it because i don't know shit about this guy. Like, okay, he won the lottery. Damn, you die right after winning the lottery. That's pretty fucked up. Like, death has a sick and twisted sense of humor in that aspect. Yeah, you know, this movie really leans on you having seen Snow Day to really know that this guy's an asshole.
00:39:43
Speaker
it's His casting is for the Snow Day heads out there, I guess. Yeah, exactly. like I legit don't know anything about him. We saw him in a premonition, and even in that premonition, he doesn't do anything. He just like does that thing where he was like,
00:40:02
Speaker
doing what the fucking thing that guys do they kind of lift their head up just to like say hi to a girl oh yeah that yeah i know what you're not talking about i was like are you okay is your neck fine do you need to take a break from recording are you having an aneurysm no yes do i need to call help it's all because my dog killed me right now but yeah he he doesn't do anything so for him to be the first kill like That was just to like start like tallying up the kills right there, just to have the body on the list to start off with.
00:40:41
Speaker
I guess maybe no one in this movie really deserves this death, and maybe no one across the franchise deserves it. We'll get into that more as the movies go on.
00:40:52
Speaker
But even the druggie guy, when he was first on screen, i was thinking, oh, fuck this guy. He sucks. Yeah. And then by the end, when he's like saving that kid, I was like, oh, man, I kind of like this guy a little bit. He's grown on me.
00:41:08
Speaker
And then he gets all diced up like cube cheese or something because a fence gets thrown at him or whatever. i was like, oh, that's pretty fucking crazy. don't think he ever grew on me just because he was such...
00:41:24
Speaker
a weird-ass character in a bad way. Because, yeah, when they first show him, I'm like, all right, this guy's just going to be a dipshit, whatever. Then when... when they all meet up at the cop's apartment or loft or whatever it's called.
00:41:41
Speaker
He goes into the into the elevator and he gets his boot stuck in the door and then is like trying to see if it's like dog shit or whatever on his boot and just puts it in the face of the other bystander in the elevator. It's like, dude, what are you doing?
00:42:02
Speaker
And then- I thought that was pretty great, not gonna lie. oh The elevator thing was just to show the audience that this was the most heavy duty serious elevator in the world for when that girl gets decapitated later, but I was like, Jesus Christ, that's aggressive, the way I grabbed his boot.
00:42:21
Speaker
Yeah, it was it was weird. But then he's like trying to lick his hand to get something off the that other guy's face. It's like, OK, we're in like the uncomfortable zone here with this character. i do not want to see what else this guy comes up with.
00:42:41
Speaker
But then going back to or let me finish with Rory and then I'll go back to the elevator scene. But yeah, you know, you see him talking to Kimberly at the like as we're approaching like the final act of this movie.
00:42:58
Speaker
He's kind of worried like, OK, you know. you die after me, right? And their conversation, it does not seem genuine at all. It just seems like kind of awkward.
00:43:10
Speaker
But he's telling her like, you know, can you just get rid of all of the stuff that, you know, would disappoint my mom essentially? And then, yeah, once he gets like all that barbed wire to slice and dice him open and everything, I felt...
00:43:27
Speaker
bad just seeing his face because you see like a drop of blood start to just like trail down his lip. and i don't know why that visual of his face really saddened me seeing it.
00:43:46
Speaker
Everything leading up to it, I hated this guy. so i was like, he deserves to die. i just don't think he deserved to die that way. I do think he probably won me over when he was having that heart-to-heart throw away all my drugs.
00:44:01
Speaker
All my porn. What a heartfelt moment. All my drugs, all my porn. Yes, and it's very beautiful. How can you not see the beauty in that?
00:44:12
Speaker
I don't understand. Because this guy was trying to lick his hand and touch another stranger's face. That is disgusting. I don't know. He might be on the spectrum a little bit. Maybe he doesn't understand social boundaries. Okay, I'll give you that. I mean, he had more growth than fucking Clear did, who I forgot was in this movie. She's like all over this thing.
00:44:40
Speaker
mean, her character, they basically plucked her right out of movie one and put her in movie two with no development. She's the same character through and through. I found that kind of annoying. Yeah, they really did. And then one line that she says when they're all explaining their near-death experiences, she was like, yeah, all of the people that died, they were my friends.
00:45:06
Speaker
No, they weren't. like In the first one, when all of them are boarding the flight, like she is not talking to anybody. She is reading. And then even when she's being questioned by the the agents afterwards, they say, like you know none of these people were your friends. Why did you get off the plane?
00:45:26
Speaker
So how the fuck are you saying now, oh, they were my friends? You became friends with Carter, and then you started dating Alex, which... Doesn't even look like you did.
00:45:38
Speaker
But now you're referring to them as your friends. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's a good call. It's like, man, Claire, you're just rewriting history here. We've seen the last movie. Don't lie to us.
00:45:51
Speaker
It's on record. We know what happened. ah do how could Where were you? How come you didn't help Alex and save him from that brick, Claire? Exactly.
00:46:03
Speaker
Yeah, what were you doing? Were you hanging out in this facility? That came after, i think. And even though I'm coming at Clear pretty hard right now, I'm about to go at Kim pretty hard, actually, in that fucking insane asylum scene.
00:46:18
Speaker
When she calls Clear selfish and is like, you have a responsibility. I was like, no, she doesn't. Right. She steps outside in a fucking...
00:46:28
Speaker
Bird flies through her skull and she's dead or something. You know, you don't know what's going to happen. but She doesn't know you guys. why Like this movie insists that she has a responsibility to these other people.
00:46:41
Speaker
I don't I disagree with that. Actually, I disagree with that sentiment that the movie is trying to put forth. Yeah, it pissed me off that she was getting annoyed with Claire because, yeah, she's like, you know, you beat this. You have a responsibility. And I love that Claire snapped back like, you know, what did I beat? Look where I'm at.
00:47:03
Speaker
And realistically, it's true. Like, she's not living a life of luxury at that point. She has confined herself in a fucking, like, loony bin. So...
00:47:16
Speaker
She's not living large here. She is filled with survivor's guilt here. and just what does she have to like, she has no obligation to owe help or give help to anybody in that.
00:47:34
Speaker
in this situation so yeah that that scene was stupid and yeah just to show us like okay this is where Claire is at and now she's gonna come out just to try to help everyone made no sense yeah Yeah, and it's like she can't even have pushpins in her padded cell to draw yarn or to string yarn from one picture to the other for whatever reason. It looked like she had to do that with marker.
00:48:02
Speaker
That's how much of a hit that Claire has had to take. So yeah, I don't think she owes Kim anything. Even just having Claire in here just to be like, oh, this is a legacy character.
00:48:16
Speaker
it she really didn't need to be in here. She was just like that extra person, you know, a side character. i was going to say a side piece.
00:48:27
Speaker
But a yeah. In a different movie, maybe. Exactly. yeah, she brings the Kim and the the the cop over to Tony Todd's lair just so, you know, he can explain everything about death in the little riddles that he likes to do.
00:48:48
Speaker
But, you know, now he's saying only new life can defeat death. How do you interpret that? Because to me, that didn't like, what do you how do you solve that fucking riddle? Only new life can defeat death, because I did not think, oh, a pregnancy is going to help.
00:49:08
Speaker
So the exact line, I think I have it written down, actually, but it says, he said, the introduction of life would invalidate death's list. And I don't know if that's true, given what we know about later movies, and I won't spoil anything going forward, but there's a movie later in the franchise that kind of does definitively rewrite the rules for this franchise.
00:49:38
Speaker
And I feel like that movie invalidates what Tony Todd says right there. So I don't think that's accurate.
00:49:48
Speaker
that has to be a movie that either I didn't see or it's one you say Okay.
Death's Rules and Franchise Speculations
00:49:55
Speaker
So spoilers for final destination bloodlines. If you don't want to hear any details, maybe skip ahead a little bit. I'll try to put music under the section where we talk about bloodlines so you can skip until the music is over.
00:50:11
Speaker
But, Basically, in Final Destination, so Introduction of Life wouldn't validate Death's list. It's not true because I want to say in Bloodlines, all of the people went on to have families and Death is going on killing all of those families. These people had babies and those babies maybe had babies and those people are still in, they end up on Death's list then. It's not invalidating Death's list. So I don't think that that is accurate anymore.
00:50:41
Speaker
yeah and I feel like they might have said this not anticipating they were going to have six films in this whole series. so yeah This one feels like it didn't do a good job of predicting what the franchise was going to become.
00:51:01
Speaker
is a weird outlier with all these new rules and it all like death is working in different ways. And I feel like it's the only one that does this and the rest of them are like, let's just be more straightforward.
00:51:16
Speaker
And another thing that bothered me in this film was Kimberly's premonitions because whenever she was experiencing them,
00:51:28
Speaker
all of a sudden she could feel what was going on in these premonitions. So, you know, when her, the cop and clear are driving to the hospital, she starts grabbing her neck because she is getting, you know, strangled to death essentially. and she doesn't know what's going on with that. Then,
00:51:51
Speaker
Later, she is choking because she was drowning in another premonition. Okay, in the first one, when Alex had his premonition, he was just sweating bullets.
00:52:06
Speaker
And you know who wouldn't? She was even kind of like frazzled after her initial premonition. But he never, you know, felt anything going on.
00:52:18
Speaker
So it's like, okay, is this one more sensitive to these, you know, premonitions she's having? i don't know. I just I don't like that they did that. It rubbed me the wrong way.
00:52:31
Speaker
Yeah, it's so in our last episode, I mentioned how Billy Hitchcock walks up to Alex and asks him if he starts asking him questions, almost making it seem like he thinks his powers are kind of like Stephen King's The Dead Zone.
00:52:48
Speaker
And this movie treats the powers actually more like Stephen King's The Dead Zone. She's having premonitions ongoing of her thinking she's seeing other people's deaths. And it Yeah, again, I think they just drop it after this movie. Yeah, because I don't see any... I don't remember anything like that happening in part three. And again, I only seen part three and then Bloodlines. I haven't seen the other two.
00:53:17
Speaker
So for them to have that in here, maybe they wanted to try it out, but like that was not successful. And another detail too from CZ's World...
00:53:30
Speaker
He had mentioned, you know, with the the first film, how in one of the deleted scenes, Alex and Claire were basic or Claire had a baby and it was Alex's.
00:53:43
Speaker
And I guess in like test screenings, the audiences didn't respond to that well. So they decided to, you know, toss that idea But why would they bring a baby type of idea in here if it didn't work out in the first one?
00:54:01
Speaker
Which I agree with because the whole scene with the pregnant woman, it just... doesn't blend well in this movie it it just seems very out of place with her being like held in the jail cell then she's going into labor then they're the reason why the van filled with all the other survivors fucking crashes i i don't know i didn't like that part either It's because the movie is filled with red herrings. It just feels like yeah ah ah yeah death has its own red herrings that make you feel like death is going to happen in one way, but it ends up subverting your expectation and happening in a different way.
00:54:46
Speaker
it is kind of making the audience look in one direction that they're not actually supposed to be looking in. I did have that exact same thought that you had, though. i thought that...
00:55:00
Speaker
Are they retrofitting a failed idea? Not failed, but an idea that didn't work in the last one into this? it I mean, i feel like it works better than it would have worked in the first movie. But again, it's inconsequential to this movie because this lady didn't actually die in the premonitions. So the new life invalidating death thing isn't even a factor.
00:55:28
Speaker
Yeah, and when they're all in the hospital, you know, Eugene's there. He's in critical condition. Claire is looking for him.
00:55:38
Speaker
and the other two, they're trying to figure out, like, what the meaning of everything is. You see, you know, all the wires in Eugene's room are like slowly coming undone. All these little things are happening. So he's thinking like, fuck, I'm about to die right now. He can barely breathe.
00:55:58
Speaker
But then once the woman, I don't remember Isabella, i think once she has her baby, you know, it's like death is like an asshole because he kind of gives a little like, hu everything's okay now because she had the baby. You know, Eugene is able to breathe again.
00:56:20
Speaker
But then Kimberly has her little premonition. Okay. You know, something wrong is about to happen. Claire goes to help Eugene or find Eugene. And as soon as she opens the door, they all blow up.
00:56:34
Speaker
Okay. So death was like, psych. Nevermind. You're all going to die still. Tony Todd alludes to the fact that for every death there is a new life or something like that.
00:56:48
Speaker
And so I thought that it was a little bit of mirroring that, you know, the baby's born into the world. And as the baby's born, Eugene and Clear are being killed and,
00:56:59
Speaker
Also, that isn't how the world works because how would you explain population growth or overpopulation if for every time somebody was born, somebody died? This movie just doesn't work. like Everything that they do in here, it doesn't work. It's...
00:57:20
Speaker
It's awkward. And then kind of going back to the elevator scene, you already felt uncomfortable with Rory in there trying lick that guy's face, essentially.
00:57:31
Speaker
But then once the mom who lost her kid, Nora, she's in there with Eugene because they're just like, you know what? We're out. Like, fuck this shit.
00:57:42
Speaker
You have that strange man in there with hooks. He just...
00:57:48
Speaker
smells this woman's hair and has the most fucking disturbing look at his face. Thankfully, Eugene saw and was like, what the fuck are you doing? But why is that in there as well? Like...
00:58:03
Speaker
Okay, he's in there. He has a fucking box of limbs with hooks on it. Okay, that's creepy enough. We didn't need to add this creep factor in there that he needed to smell this woman's hair.
00:58:18
Speaker
This movie just takes so many twists and turns that was unnecessary. I kind of liked to that weird guy in the elevator and how much he was freaked.
00:58:29
Speaker
I liked when he was freaking out when the mom died and he's just in the elevator. ah It's like, yeah, dude, because you're complicit in this woman's death. You fucking weirdo. I just I he was a good presence and he had a look that kind of worked for me. I was like, put this guy in more movies.
00:58:48
Speaker
I am not surprised at all that you like this guy for the brief time. Why are you not surprised? Really? Just because he's fucking creeper and you seem to like- Well, what does say about me?
00:59:00
Speaker
That you like the strange characters in films. You called him creepy. You didn't call him strange. Creepy, strange, all the things that make this guy basically you know the guy with the van out there. like I don't know. This guy was just weird.
00:59:17
Speaker
I did really want Nora, I think that's what you said her name was. I did really want her to survive that elevator scene. don't elevator deaths in movies have always gotten me, especially since I saw, um um what's it called?
00:59:34
Speaker
Resident Evil, I think it was, as a kid. Oh, yeah. That was traumatizing. Yeah, like the first death is like an elevator kill, I think. And ever since then, elevator kills have really bothered me. And this one, I was like, please make it out. Please make it out.
00:59:53
Speaker
Even though I don't think there's really much chance of someone dying that way in real life, it still seems pretty horrific. And I think part of it comes from me being claustrophobic.
01:00:04
Speaker
Yeah, her death scene also made me feel bad because, you know, she's already at, you know, she's just fully defeated right now because she even tells Kim because Kim is trying to get her to stay in the apartment that way.
01:00:22
Speaker
She is quote unquote safe with all of them. But, you know, Nora says, you know, I lost my husband a few years ago and now I just lost my son.
01:00:32
Speaker
If it's time for me to die and be in heaven with my family, then, you know, so be it essentially. So it's like, okay, yeah, there's no convincing this woman. She's basically like, if I die, I die, you know, fuck it.
01:00:45
Speaker
But then once in the elevator you the The fucking cop tells her like a man with hooks is going to kill you. Don't lead with that. Just you could have been like, hey, look out for a man with hooks or something.
01:01:00
Speaker
Maybe she would have reacted the same way. I don't know. But. Yeah, then that's what, you know, starts the whole down spiral of her getting her head stuck in the elevator.
01:01:12
Speaker
But you feel bad because she's crying, she's screaming, and then she even yells out, I don't want to die. And then she dies. Like, I genuinely felt bad at that point for her. I did too, and it was sad, you know, her being like, I can be with my son, but she forgets to mention that her son got one of the sickest deaths in the whole fucking movie, you know?
01:01:36
Speaker
He got fucking splattered. it was... His death, oh it was so funny. All of it, like the whole dentist thing, i was all there for him, almost choking on the little like baby mobile thing that's hanging above him in the dentist chair as he's getting nitrous oxide pumped into his lungs and displacing all the air and everything.
01:02:01
Speaker
He's basically going to suffocate, but he survives all that and then goes outside and there are pigeons because there's a big dumb thing about pigeons in this movie. And even and criticizing this movie a lot for a movie I enjoyed, but was going to say,
01:02:17
Speaker
He but so he comes outside with his mom and cat and or came in the officer are like the pigeons. No. And he takes it as, oh, go disturb all of these pigeons. And then he goes and fucks with the pigeons. It ruins all this construction going on. And then like a big glass plate or something falls on him and it's like splat.
01:02:40
Speaker
And it's just so comical. That's when I was like, oh, this is a full blown comedy comedy. But aside from the log through the cop car, that might be my favorite kill in the whole movie. That's it's all just a fantastic work of comedy from top to bottom, I think.
01:03:00
Speaker
What the hell kind of reaction was that to begin with, though? Like, oh, yeah, pigeons. Yeah, let me go fuck with the pigeons right here. And why didn't these construction workers have like, you know, tape or cones blocking off that area that they were working at?
01:03:20
Speaker
That is all of their fault and this kid's fault and Kim's fault as well as the cop's fault. But his death was kind of funny. Yeah, everybody involved really botched that that whole operation.
01:03:33
Speaker
Seriously. And when she sees the pigeons originally, I couldn't tell if that was a vision she had, but she saw it in like the reflection of a window, and she's like, the pigeons. And the cop's like, what pigeons?
01:03:47
Speaker
And then it's like a reverse shot from where we originally were in her POV, and I was like, were there ever pigeons to begin with? What was that shot? Yeah, I don't know because realistically, if they didn't show up there and called attention to the pigeons, I don't think this kid would have died.
01:04:08
Speaker
So it's her fault. It is her fault. I feel like they incite a lot of the deaths in this movie. Like when they bring everybody together in one location, my first thought was, doesn't seem like a smart idea to bring everybody death wants dead to I mean, death has a list for all of you.
01:04:27
Speaker
You could just blow up the apartment. We've seen apartments blow up at the hands of death. It's a very odd choice. Plus, look at everything in this man's ah ah apartment. like He plays every fucking sport out there, essentially. He had like a little, i don't know what it's called, a little canoe.
01:04:50
Speaker
He had like spears in the back. Then in one of his closets, he had ice skates in there. He had a shit ton of backpacks hanging up. So it's like, all right, you're probably mountain climbing.
01:05:03
Speaker
You're probably doing all this other shit. Like you are in the worst possible safe zone because every object in here could potentially kill you.
01:05:18
Speaker
What the fuck? yeah is this roy's house is this the druggies house no this is the cop's house oh okay that makes sense because roy is kind of wandering around that house like or that apartment so like he has never been there before but then i remembered the elevator sequence and was that just him going up to the cop's apartment also or do they live in the same complex Yeah, he was just meeting all of them up there and he happened to be the only one to stay. Everyone else was like, nah, I'm leaving.
01:05:54
Speaker
So it's he was the one to see, you know, the man with hooks sign anyway. So. Yeah, but they were at the cop's house, and it's just like, damn, I wish I could be that involved in all these activities. I was actually jealous.
01:06:10
Speaker
Yeah, and basically, I think so far, we've covered every death in the movie except for Kat's death. shit I forgot that ah what happened until this very moment.
01:06:24
Speaker
She just has a weird interaction with, I think it's the fire department. They're trying to pry her out of the car. And she's like, could you use something that's less loud? And he's like, sorry, lady, I'll turn it on quiet mode. And then she's like, thank you.
01:06:38
Speaker
And then they bump the car, the airbag goes off and smashes her head into a fucking pole that was in the back of her, that was stabbed through the back of her headrest. It was just so, I felt bad for her, honestly. It was like, what a ridiculous way to go. i didn't feel bad for her her. She was a fucking idiot for being in the car and smoking. Like, I don't know. And staying in that seat.
01:07:05
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like... Well, because she had the piece of like a log like that smashed yeah. Yeah, so that was like trapping her inside.
01:07:16
Speaker
But the firemen should have told her, like, hey, men, just to be safe and cautious, like don't smoke because you know if there's a gas leak, you know you could be fucked. But yeah, she was a dumbass for being like, oh, yeah, can you...
01:07:31
Speaker
be a little quieter or whatever and he the guy was a dick to her too because then he's like oh yeah i'll just put it on quiet mode and he probably deliberately like shoved that thing or ram the whatever he was using into the door harder at that point and then yeah she died it was a fucked up way to die but i think she deserved to die Oh, man. I don't know if she deserved to die. But then her death, yeah, causes the chain reaction that causes the explosion that kills Rory.
01:08:02
Speaker
And, yeah, it sucked to see him go. Any thoughts on their deaths
Ending Discussion and Comparisons
01:08:08
Speaker
at all? Or any more deaths in the movie before we hop over into how this thing wraps up?
01:08:13
Speaker
No, I was happy that she got her death. I was happy that Rory died. You were happy. Dude, you should know this by now. I choose violence. like I want these people to die. Everyone deserves to die except Tommy. you did send me You did send me that in a text message earlier this week. You said, I do choose violence first.
01:08:35
Speaker
I really do. People don't expect that from me. and Then once I finally like show my true colors on what I'm thinking, you know I get a lot of disturbed looks or responses. It's like, hey, I warned you already, so you should know this by now.
01:08:55
Speaker
Just saying. Anyway. yeah That's how this package comes. Exactly. Maybe, like I said, as we go on throughout later entries, I'll kind of get on board with some of these people getting knocked off the table. But ah ah these past two, I was just like, I don't know if these people really deserve it.
01:09:15
Speaker
But the ending, basically, like without going into like too much detail on it, Kim ends up... It turns out her premonitions weren't of the pregnant lady. They're like of her, her own death. And she sees like a nurse bringing her back to life and all of this. So she's like, Oh, I have to drown. So she steals an ambulance, drives it straight into the water and ends up drowning and is brought back to life. And,
01:09:43
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as far as like we know so far in these movies, she makes it to the end and beats death's list, which is also something different compared to the last movie.
01:09:58
Speaker
Yeah, i I got to say, I quite enjoyed the way this movie wrapped up, especially compared to how the first Final Destination wrapped up, where that final sequence, it was totally like too hard to tell what was even happening.
01:10:14
Speaker
I felt like this was pretty well done and exciting. What about you? Not at all. I do not feel the same. So the only part that, you know, I kind of enjoyed was just the chase sequence between her and the cop when she's just like jetting it to the the lake to, you know, crash and drown herself and the cop is chasing her.
01:10:45
Speaker
But once she's already like sinking to the bottom. And he's down there with her trying to you know, break the glass to save her. She has the most gentle fucking death I have ever seen for a drowning experience. Like she's already come to terms with it. Like, yeah, I have to be the one to die. So there was no hesitation whatsoever when she jumped in the van.
01:11:18
Speaker
Yeah, she had like one final like glance um um or eye contact with uh the cop but then she just books it to the lake and just you know is ready to kill herself then when she sees him one more time in the water she kind of just i think she kind of just puts her hand up by the window and then she just slowly pushes or like lets her head fall back and she dies hated that so fucking much. I would figure like, you know, at the last second, she's like, nah, fucking get me out of here. And like, she panics because I feel like, or at least what I've heard is like, you know, people when they are attempting, you know, suicide, they're
01:12:08
Speaker
They do have like a flash of regret if they make it. So you would think she'd have a moment of panic, but she doesn't. She's just kind of, you know, reflecting on what happened in the past events of her life or the most recent event yeah events of her life.
01:12:24
Speaker
And then she just dies. Yeah, she's brought back to life, but i didn't like that. I'd say I bought it. and She felt tortured enough by all of this to where I could see her resorting to taking her own life.
01:12:39
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I could see the idea of her maybe putting up more of a struggle. But if I were in those shoes and I had seen how absolutely horrific everybody else died by getting like decapitated or exploding, and I knew I could trust my premonitions that I was having,
01:12:58
Speaker
If they've steered me in the right direction before, I would take that bet. Now, maybe instinctually, I would probably put up a fight as I was drowning. I feel like or maybe I'd put myself in a position where I could be saved a bit easier, maybe accessed a bit easier just in case they didn't save me in time to bring me back.
01:13:18
Speaker
But it it was something I was able to buy. a As long as you liked it and you can defend this movie because i can't. Just watching that part.
01:13:30
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No, go on it like Especially look after that initial drowning. i mean but Say what you were going to say because i was going to move a little forward in the ending.
01:13:42
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No, I kind of was too. Like, just with her drowning, being brought back to life, the cop is right there too. And he is as calm as he can be.
01:13:56
Speaker
and it's like, okay, did you for certain know she was going to be brought back to life? What if her plan failed and she just died?
01:14:07
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you were super calm. Like, you weren't even like, man, you know, like uh winded or anything he just said like oh i thought i lost you okay you know show some type of emotion in there other than you know adoration because they clearly had like a thing for each other develop but nah the that was it was poorly executed in my eyes i I won't dispute that. I can see where you're coming from.
01:14:37
Speaker
His character, yeah the believability may not have been there as strongly with him. My read of it is they do end up together at the end, though. Oh, yeah, they do. And I was happy about that because...
01:14:50
Speaker
ah ah put like Unlike Claire and Alex getting together at the end, I could actually believe it with these two. yeah they they have chemistry.
01:15:02
Speaker
They do. The little interaction shows that they have a little spark between them. But it's like, wow, they didn't really have a lot of scenes. Well, they had a lot of scenes together, but like...
01:15:14
Speaker
I don't know, they weren't really communicating as much, but they did have natural chemistry, so I could at least buy them being together by the time they go to that little barbecue. Yeah, and then yeah i agree with you, i and I'm glad that they do end up together. and As far as I know, i don't know if these like i don't think these characters return for future movies.
01:15:36
Speaker
But I wouldn't mind if they like for Final Destination 7 if somehow these characters had involvement with it. again I would also be completely fine if they didn't.
01:15:47
Speaker
I think these movies work pretty well as standalone characters. movies and they kind of maybe hurts this one a little bit that it is dedicating so much of what happens in this movie to the last the previous one but everything does wrap around I think in a very satisfying way again this movie leans pretty hard on the comedy in a way that I enjoyed but you know it's All of them enjoying.
01:16:17
Speaker
I don't even know who that couple is that they're with at the end of the movie, but their son is the character that Rory saved. Were you about to tell me who the couple is?
01:16:28
Speaker
It's just his parents. They were the ones that found them when they crashed and they were trying to just help them out. that was another thing, too. It's like what they're thinking. Yeah, let's all get back together and, you know, reminisce on the time that we all almost died. I thought that was such a weird little shindig they were having there.
01:16:50
Speaker
Yeah, so it's just the parents of the kid. It's nobody. They have no relation to anybody else except they saved him from that craft. Yeah, that's all it is. Wow, yeah, it does seem weird that they would connect with those people after that. I don't buy that they would do that, but I do find it pretty funny that it is made clear that Rory saved that kid from death, and therefore that kid must die, and he just explodes, and the movie ends on him exploding in an arm.
01:17:19
Speaker
His, like, cooked arm falls in front of his mom, and it's pretty horrific, and I i enjoyed that. That was a nice little button. at the end uh what was pretty funny movie to me yeah that part i did enjoy because i wasn't expecting that so they just show like a flash of him and then he fucking blows up okay what a way to end the film i don't think it would have ended well if they just concluded right when kimberly was brought back to life so yeah to bring the comedy back in there that was that was a good move yeah i i really i liked how it ended you got any final thoughts on final destination 2
01:18:10
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two Hmm, just that I think I like the first one more. Yeah, rewatching it now, I definitely, yeah I like the first one more.
01:18:25
Speaker
I've got to say that does surprise me. I didn't really expect it until you sent me a text before we started recording, and the tone of the text kind of made me feel like, oh, Mercedes didn't like this thing. Yes, I was planning on shitting on this entire movie. like It has some cool parts in it, but yes, it was bad.
01:18:47
Speaker
it was bad Well, I've got to say, I really enjoyed this one. I enjoyed it significantly more than the last one, actually. I felt like it was a step up.
01:18:58
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And even for the criticisms that I had of this movie, there is something about it that I really like and find intriguing.
01:19:08
Speaker
Like, this is one of the few franchises we've covered so far where I've seen basically every entry in it before we've recorded these episodes. And this one being this weird outlier where it has rules that the other movies don't pick up on. It's the only one that like directly ties in to the events of the first movie in a largely significant plot way.
01:19:34
Speaker
it just feels so like weird and special to me within this final destination series i like it a lot and i do also find it interesting too this franchise like keeps like switching directors the first and third movie were done by the same guy in the second and fourth movie were done by the same guy and mean mercedes if you didn't like this one i mean geez wait till you see the next one this guy did in the franchise well we're gonna get there but holy lord
01:20:06
Speaker
From what I remember, i like three. And then when you were saying them, I was like, wait, did I get them mixed up? But yeah, so I probably won't like the other one then, part four.
01:20:18
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Yeah, three is done by James Wong. And part four has ah ah just a pretty bad reputation. i won't give away any details. Got it, got it.
01:20:29
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Yeah, we've discussed this off mic a few times before, though, I'm pretty sure. but yeah, I don't know. I appreciate this movie for how inconsistent it is within the franchise.
01:20:44
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And, uh, yeah, I don't know. There's just something about it. It really, it really works for me. And aside from that, I think the intro sequence does a lot of heavy lifting on top of the comedy.
01:20:58
Speaker
I like the MacGuffins that Death sets up. It feels like Death has a sense of humor, and he really likes messing with audience expectations. i you know I wouldn't be surprised if these movies were all actually just directed by Death himself, if he was the writer-director and was just going under pseudonyms this whole time.
01:21:20
Speaker
Because the character of Death feels very self-aware in a Deadpool kind of way. Yeah, he's fucking like pulling jokes on people like, haha, you thought you were going to kill yourself. You thought you were going to die, but it's not your time yet. Haha.
01:21:36
Speaker
So yeah. But I am really excited to revisit part three. that one, I don't know why it holds a special place in my heart, but let's see if I still feel that way after watching it again for the next episode.
01:21:50
Speaker
Yeah, three, again, it's the only one I didn't watch in the marathon I was doing. Actually, I didn't watch this one in the marathon I did with my girlfriend either. We... For some reason, she watched two and three without me. It was a big moment of betrayal, but I have no one to talk because I saw bloodlines.
01:22:10
Speaker
I saw bloodlines without her. And she was pretty upset about that, even though I told her, but she was busy and didn't properly read the message. But I was like, I'm going to see bloodlines. And then, yeah, I had to apologize.
01:22:26
Speaker
Then i I bought it for her. so And we enjoyed it together. it was very nice nice time. i mean, least you redeemed yourself. But like...
01:22:38
Speaker
No, no, that's actually kind of funny because I watched the new season of Wednesday without my husband because i didn't have to go to work the day that it came out. So I'm just like, it's raining outside.
01:22:54
Speaker
i am not going anywhere. i cannot just sit here and not watch Wednesday. So I'm just going to watch it and, you know, just...
01:23:05
Speaker
pretend I didn't watch it until he can watch it with me and then I could just re-watch it and I'll be okay with that. Oh But then. Oh man that's never a good move. You got to come clean. Just come clean immediately.
01:23:17
Speaker
Well that's the thing because finally when he was home and he was like oh we can watch it I was like all right so I went on my profile to put it on and he's like you watched it already? I'm like, I didn't know when you were going to be home to watch it with me. and he was so sad. I'm like, oh my God, don't do that to me. So yeah.
01:23:40
Speaker
Breaking that man's heart. But he broke my heart one time, too, because what funny story, when I was having him watch Gilmore Girls, like we were marathoning it whenever I hung out with him.
01:23:53
Speaker
And then there was one episode where I was like, do not watch this one without me because he was starting to like watch some of them. I'm like, OK, he's kind of like in the show. Cool. But he fucking watched it without me. I'm like, what did what did I tell you?
01:24:08
Speaker
So he started it. So moral of the story, it was his fault. Wait, what was the show? Gilmore Girls. Oh, Gilmore Girls. i thought it was going to be like fucking like Breaking Bad or like Game of Thrones where it was like a pivotal point. it's a I love Gilmore Girls and I wanted him to watch that. And then there was one episode that I loved and I wanted to watch it with him because I wanted to see his reaction and he fucking watched it without me. So, yeah.
01:24:40
Speaker
I'm going to give you guys both a pass on this one just because i i don't believe you would be able to resist from watching a new season of Wednesday. I don't think that would be possible. like it It seems like you just love that show like deeply. I do. I really do. And then I give him the pass because it's Gilmore Girls. it Hey, now.
01:25:03
Speaker
Be nice. That's not... That's not disparaging against Gilmore Girls, but it's not like, i don't think that show has consistent like plots that run from episode to episode. They're like pretty contained.
01:25:14
Speaker
Sometimes they do. This one, it had a long time coming because it was the part where they were doing like this 24 hour dance off and it was going to be the ending of Rory's first relationship because she was going to start another one basically.
01:25:35
Speaker
And the entire town was witnessing it and it was a fucking great moment. And I wanted to be there when he saw it. But no. So anyway, more love the story.
01:25:45
Speaker
His fault. And he's probably going to hear this and give me so much shit for it later. But I don't care. ah ah They should have done the 24 hour dance off as if it was like a season of 24 or something like that. So it all takes place in real time, the full 24 hours.
01:26:03
Speaker
And that being a half hour show or whatever, that's 48 episodes you got of the dance-a-thon. You see, i wrote two seasons of television for Gilmore Girls right for them.
01:26:14
Speaker
How long did this dance off last? How many episodes? One. one episode? Wait, what? i Okay. Wait, the season was building up to the dance off, though?
01:26:28
Speaker
No, it was the storyline was building up to... a scene in this dance off, but the dance off was cool.
01:26:40
Speaker
Just because, you know, everyone was all decked out in like the pinup girl type of style and they all had to just dance for charity. And the last couple to stand wins this big ass trophy.
01:26:55
Speaker
And, you know, the characters Lorelai and Rory, they watch they were paired up together because Lorelai really wanted to win the trophy. But you could see that Rory was wanting to not date her boyfriend anymore. And she was trying to date like the bad boy in here.
01:27:12
Speaker
So it was like, wait, this is going to be the episode where it finally fucking happens. And then it does happen. And then Rory gets put in her fucking place by the one, the only Jared Padalecki. So It was a crucial episode to watch.
01:27:29
Speaker
You know, not to derail this any further, we're having a real case of the Banjo-Kazooie's right now. I don't even remember what episode that was on, Misery, I think.
01:27:43
Speaker
I thought you were talking about Golden Girls until you were saying all these characters' names. I was like, wait, these aren't Golden Girls characters? Gilmore Girls. Okay, that's not... Thank you for being a friend.
01:27:57
Speaker
Not that one. Okay, now I see. You're a pal a confidant. No, this is if you need, you need me to be with you. Yeah, that one.
01:28:10
Speaker
So now I could see. Yeah, I was not ready for that. But no, now I could see why you were spotted like that. I'm going to fucking watch Golden Girls.
TV Shows and Off-Topic Digressions
01:28:18
Speaker
Girls. Okay, I've never seen an episode of Gilmore Girl, so I actually have no room to talk.
01:28:26
Speaker
Okay, so back to Final Destination. Sorry to your husband for backpedaling a little bit on it, but I'm going to stay neutral.
01:28:36
Speaker
No, it's all good, man. But yeah, sorry, guys, for us going off the rails there. We have to in every episode or most of our episodes anyway.
01:28:46
Speaker
was a good one. That was fun. It really was. Thank you for participating with me. Yeah. Thank you for making me think you were talking about Gilmore Girls for about five minutes.
01:28:59
Speaker
I was talking about Gilmore Girls. You thought I was talking about Golden Girls. Golden Girls, Gossip Girl, one of the girl shows. Girls, I don't know. Girls, girls, girls. Adam Driver's in one of them. Yeah, Motley Crue, they did a show.
01:29:17
Speaker
They call girls girls. i don't know. Yeah. Anyway. Guys, just Reta. Yeah, Final Destination 2, 10 out of 10 masterpiece. Best movie we've ever covered on the podcast. What else is there to say?
Final Thoughts and Closing
01:29:30
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01:29:44
Speaker
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01:29:55
Speaker
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