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Final Destination
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Join Nicholas and Mercedes as they begin their latest, scariest, anxiety inducing season! They're covering the Final Destination pictures! Explore all of the chills, thrills, and craziness of these elaborate death fests!
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Season Introduction: Morbid Curiosities and Final Destination Series
00:01:11
Speaker
What's up, guys? We're Morbid Curiosities, your favorite horror movie podcast, bringing you another episode. I'm one of your hosts, Nicholas Sewers, and with me is the lightweight champion of the world, the morbid mistress of mayhem herself.
00:01:23
Speaker
Mercedes Martinez, how's it going, everyone? How's it going for you today, Nick? Are you ready to talk about the new season we have coming up for everyone? I'm so ready. I'm so ready that I nailed that intro in one take, and everybody's going to hear that perfect one take that I i got it in.
00:01:43
Speaker
I was very impressed. ah Thank you. i I knew I was going to impress, and that's what I was setting out to do. Especially because, yeah like you said, we're starting our new season today.
00:01:54
Speaker
For any of our listeners who may be new to the podcast or maybe didn't listen to our past couple episodes, we're going to be covering all of the Final Destination movies, going from 2000's Final Destination all the way up until this year's Final Destination Bloodlines.
00:02:11
Speaker
This is going to be ah fucking breezy, exciting season, I think. We just get to talk about some effective kills. It's just going to be kills, kills, kills, and all just the mechanics behind them. It's going to be crazier than Terrifier, I think. but Mercedes, what is your relationship to the Final Destination franchise? I actually don't think we've really had a conversation about these movies before, but i mean do they mean something to you? what's What's the deal here?
00:02:43
Speaker
i was going to say, I don't even know if we've talked so much, um if at all, about Final Destination with each other, but I watched these movies out of order. I think I watched the second one with my sister at her job, and I just liked the main character in there. Her name is Kimberly.
00:03:08
Speaker
Did not know she was known by everyone else in the world from Criminal Minds. AJ Cook. But now I'm watching Criminal Minds, so i can make the connection there.
00:03:20
Speaker
But yeah, I just thought she was so pretty. And um that kind of like made me want to watch the third one. And then I watched the first one. So I watched everything out of order. It was strange.
00:03:31
Speaker
But I wish I was able to watch them in order because it would have made so much more sense to me. But yeah. And then I haven't seen... What number is Bloodlines? Because I know there's Final Destination 1, 2, and 3.
00:03:48
Speaker
Bloodlines is 6, I want to say. 6? Yeah. Okay, so I've only seen 1, 2, 3 and Bloodlines. have seen 4 and 5.
00:03:58
Speaker
Okay, yeah. So I've seen all of them. Just, I mean, these movies were of a generation where it's basically impossible to not consume these movies or to not have consumed these movies in some way.
Spoiler Alert: Final Destination Bloodlines Discussion
00:04:12
Speaker
I, like, recently, after Bloodlines came out, I was on such a high. And, guys, real quick, we're kind of, this whole season is in the shadows of Final Destination Bloodlines, like, recently coming out.
00:04:25
Speaker
so we're gonna kind of not tiptoe around spoiling that movie and if we do we'll announce spoiler sections and we'll maybe have music playing under the spoiler section so just skip past the music sections you hear if you want to avoid bloodline spoilers i was on like such a high from watching that movie because i mean spoilers spoiler alert for that episode that movie fucking kind of rules. We talked about it on a previous episode of the podcast, but then after that came out, me and my girlfriend watched all of them backwards and I got ah all of them in like reverse order basically.
00:05:05
Speaker
And I got to say like, you're not missing out on one of those two, but five I'd say is kind of a banger, man.
The Appeal of Final Destination Sequels
00:05:14
Speaker
Uh, it like maybe a low key, uh, good movie.
00:05:19
Speaker
so One of my old managers, who's a good friend of mine, he actually told me, I don't know which one it was, he said it was either four or five. One of them is such a shitty movie, but that's why he loves it, because he loves terrible horror movies.
00:05:37
Speaker
And i i had immediately asked him at that moment, okay, so then are you a fan of Seed of Chucky? He's like, I fucking love Seed of Chucky. So I'm kind of intrigued to see which one is a banger and which one isn't.
00:05:54
Speaker
Yeah, sorry to listeners if we got a little ahead of ourselves. We'll temper it from there. You kind of know a little bit of our thoughts going in, but I think we're going to have some fun times with these ones, especially like two and three. I'm so excited to talk about those ones with you and fucking bloodlines. But yeah, guys, you're in for one hell of a season with this one.
00:06:19
Speaker
Yeah, do you just want to get into initial thoughts for Final Destination? Yeah, let's fucking go. right, so right before i get into my thoughts on it, I wanted to drop a a little fun fact. that This is kind of over-discussed, but just in case anybody didn't know this, the original idea for Final Destination, it was a spec script written by Jeffrey Reddick for X-Files. It was entitled Flight 180. Mercedes, were you aware of this at all?
00:06:50
Speaker
I was not aware of
Origins of Final Destination
00:06:51
Speaker
this. Continue on. Flight 180, not really a movie you can make sequels to, or not really a movie title that is accessible to sequels in the way that Final Destination is, I'd say.
00:07:04
Speaker
And so after Jeffrey Reddick brought this to the guys at the X-Files, I want to say Line Studios pushed James Wong and Glenn Morgan. They're like an X-Files writing team. They're also like a producer and directing team now.
00:07:20
Speaker
They pushed them to turn it into a feature film, which later became Final Destination that James Wong would go on to direct. So... A little bit of setup, a little bit of groundwork for what we're getting into.
00:07:33
Speaker
This movie, at least to me, does feel pretty TV, especially in comparison to the other movies. It has the DNA of an X-Files episode baked in here.
00:07:48
Speaker
Down to even some of the props, I'd say there's plenty of newspapers in this movie. And they kind of remind me of newspaper shots that you would see in like the X-Files or like just pictures you would see in the X-Files. It had that kind of look to it or maybe like and order. It had Very, like, <unk>edural detective procedural TV vibes going on here.
00:08:16
Speaker
But and know I'm going on forever. I apologize. Final Destination. I think overall this movie is is okay. It's pretty good.
00:08:27
Speaker
I'm not over the moon about this one. it Especially knowing what all of the other movies are like going forward. This time around watching it, I was trying to put myself in the shoes of the audience who would have first seen this in the year 2000.
Legacy and Impact of the First Film
00:08:46
Speaker
And i could see this like really, really working. There's a lot of rule explaining, there's a lot of figuring it out, but I could see an audience feeling really gratified by all of that.
00:09:00
Speaker
I think once you get past this one, you're just on to mostly better movies, I think. The thrills get better, the kills get better, the characters seem a little less than...
00:09:14
Speaker
But overall, this is a fun movie with very cool concepts. And I'm excited to dig into more of why I think it is just okay compared to... it it it seems Usually the first century in horror movies are pretty, like...
00:09:32
Speaker
everyone's pretty over the moon about them. Like there's a common consensus that they're the best. And I'm kind of just saying like, this is a really good foundation, but I think there was room for the franchise to get better from here. And it it does.
00:09:44
Speaker
Yeah, so seeing how i'll everything takes place in here now compared to how I did the first time I watched it, it kind of hasn't aged the best with me.
00:09:59
Speaker
um i don't know. There's just some things that I wish the movie focused on a little bit more or you know just kind of left out, but we'll get there or I'll get more in detail with that in and a little bit.
00:10:14
Speaker
so It sounds like you're you're pretty lukewarm on the movie currently. Yes. Maybe talking about it with you will kind of change my mind, but right now, it's a dud when I rewatched it for the episode. Was there ever a time where you felt like you were over the moon about this movie?
00:10:33
Speaker
I think the first time when I watched it because I was like, holy shit, no wonder why I haven't been on a plane before. and Yeah, with this movie, it made me not really want to go on a plane. I'm sure that happened to a lot of members of the audience who did go see this.
00:10:53
Speaker
um But yeah, I think it was like a one and done deal where I liked it. And then any other time that it came on TV, i would watch it, but I wasn't, you know, super thrilled about watching it. It was just kind of like background noise. Yeah, I definitely see where you're coming from. This was never a movie I was ever too hot on. To be honest, this wasn't a franchise I was ever too hot on until Bloodlines.
Rube Goldberg Kills: A Franchise Staple
00:11:20
Speaker
I kind of got the... excitement and the point like why I understood why you sit down and you watch these movies after you see bloodlines. It's for these like Rube Goldberg machine-esque kills.
00:11:37
Speaker
And for anyone who doesn't know what that means, a Rube Goldberg machine is essentially a very complex machine that's built to do a very simple task in a complex and indirect way.
00:11:49
Speaker
And that's how a lot of these deaths typically work out in this franchise. There will be like a penny that ends up over here and you're like, what's going on with that penny? And you forget that that's there. And then something else has happened over here with a fan.
00:12:04
Speaker
And all of that just comes together to create like a massive, insane death. Yeah. or possibly several insane deaths.
00:12:15
Speaker
It like, that's why you sit down and you watch them for the, Oh my God, like, when is this going to happen? When is this going to happen? And the fake outs of, Oh, that didn't like, that isn't the thing that I should have been looking out for. It was that other thing. And there's plenty of these things in this movie that we're talking about.
00:12:33
Speaker
I'll say now spoilers ahead. for this franchise, but the biggest compliment I could give it is that it has influenced the way that a certain generation of people move throughout certain situations.
00:12:49
Speaker
Like how you said it affected the way you view flying on a plane, Or everybody now thinks when they're driving behind a truck with a pole on it or logs.
00:13:01
Speaker
Oh, shit, I should get away from this fucking truck. So going into this, that's the best compliment I could give this thing. I mean, what are your thoughts on that? bit of a spoiler there for final destination two but i didn't say
Character Development and Interactions
00:13:18
Speaker
what one it happened in i feel like everybody all knows these things yeah we all know that's the point though so everybody knows except for the children who might be listening to this and if there are kids listening i'm just giving you shit yeah
00:13:35
Speaker
No, you're not. No, i I want to give you shit as much as I can just because I know I always like end up like spoiling shit, not just for you, but for everybody. But yeah, I think after... Well, there are some parts in this one mainly one, even though I did not like the kill scene about the one I'm referring to with ah the teacher, Miss It was only like her storyline where I was kind of like, shit, what if i what if my cup is dripping and you know like I slip and fall and bust my head open on the edge of the stairs? like I'll think of stuff like that, but like all the other kill scenes and how death is coming after everyone else in here,
00:14:29
Speaker
It was kind of whatever to me. Going forward though, at least in 2 and 3 and in Bloodlines, i could kind of agree with some of those situations more like, yeah, that seems more realistic or, man, I'm so clumsy that if I have a really bad day, that probably would have happened to me and I could have died in that moment as well.
00:14:52
Speaker
So, yeah, I i don't know. i I want to talk more about it in detail, this film, just so I can see if I'm really like against this film or if I can give it a little more grace than I am right now.
00:15:07
Speaker
It's okay to hate this movie if you hate it. I don't want to hate this movie, though. I don't. I don't hate it. I can't hate any of the Final Destination films because of the legendary Tony Todd.
00:15:22
Speaker
I can't. I just can't. And then even in here, just seeing his face in here, though, I was like, wow. Wow. It freaked me out because when you see him in bloodlines and hear his whole speech with him basically saying, you know, I'm tired and like I can't help anyone anymore.
00:15:44
Speaker
and seeing how much he has aged, obviously, and then seeing him in here, i was like, oh, my God, his face is so plump and his skin is so smooth.
00:15:57
Speaker
And he just has like. so much life in him at this moment, even though he's a fucking creepy ass guy in here. But I can't hate this film strictly because of him.
00:16:10
Speaker
Especially when he's dropping lines like, you don't want to fuck with that Mac Daddy. When he's talking about the Grim Reaper. Yeah, it's like, it's magical, man. You just, I mean, possibly racist. I don't really know where that falls. Yeah. It seems a little offensive, but Tony Todd, I mean, he was Candyman by that point, so he might have had enough pull to not say a line like that if he was against it.
00:16:37
Speaker
Who knows? But, I mean, in terms of, like... ah regular things you see around your house that could kill you there's this like towel holder in my bathroom that is at eye level for me and I feel like I'm near a final destination moment anytime there's not a towel hanging on that hanger it I always keep a towel on there so I don't put an eye out or like accidentally stumble and fall into it via some Rube Goldberg machine-esque situation
00:17:12
Speaker
I mean, there are some kills in here I could see actually happening in real life and that I did find genuinely scary. So if you don't mind me kind of just jumping into some of the kills of this movie, do you have any objections to that?
00:17:29
Speaker
No, go on. Okay, so... like i forgot the character's name terry her just getting hit by a bus that's surprisingly ah subversive for the first entry of the franchise usually i feel like you're pulling moves like that in movie two or three maybe they didn't understand that their thing was every death is pretty elaborate but i feel like that one catches you off guard and you know Whenever you do see a bus going by, I feel like you do kind of think of that final destination moment.
00:18:04
Speaker
And then Todd's death in particular, I thought was so horrific. i closed my eyes. I watched it through my fingers. I rarely do that. I don't know if I did that through any of the Terrifier movies when we watched them.
00:18:20
Speaker
Listeners, you can feel free to call me out on that if... I'm lying right now, but I don't do that often, but I had my face fully covered.
Unsettling Death Scenes
00:18:32
Speaker
It was very hard to watch. And I could see not necessarily like the exact situation, but I could see something similar to that happening.
00:18:42
Speaker
I'd like when he died, I thought like, Oh, man, they're going to think like it was an erotic asphyxiation gone wrong ah or something. Erotic asphyxiation. I think that's how you pronounce it.
00:18:56
Speaker
A real David Carradine situation there. Yeah. But no, they thought it was suicide. I was like, yeah, that's what you tell people when you want to cover up ah an erotic asphyxiation. You tell them it was suicide.
00:19:12
Speaker
But him like slipping in the bathtub, I thought that was absolutely horrific. So with following up with that kill, when I was listening, I only listened to some of the commentary from this film.
00:19:26
Speaker
Yes, hi, our guest speaker Evie is here once again. Shout out to Evie. But also, wait, do you own these, the physical disc of these?
00:19:36
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I do. All of them except for Bloodlines? I actually only have one and two. For some reason, I can't find three. i'm just going have to dig through that. and Then, yeah i have to buy the rest of them. I might just buy like the big pack of them just so I can have them all together.
00:19:55
Speaker
At least like Bloodlines would be worth owning. that while yeah I don't mean to keep hyping up Bloodlines. Listeners, if you haven't, go check that one out before our Bloodlines episode. that All of these are very fun, but that one is super. and Maybe it's it's recency bias, but ah be prepared for that episode.
00:20:15
Speaker
That's super cool that you were able to watch the commentary, though. Did you find it insightful or anything? I did a little bit. i think I was just a little you know shocked because the woman who played their teacher, Miss Luton, Kristen Cloak, I have never seen her before in any other show or film, but she was the main one um commenting throughout the entire commentary, of at least of what I was listening to.
00:20:48
Speaker
which kind of bugged me because i wanted to hear more from, you know, Devin Sawa or Kerr Smith. I mean, they talked and chimed in a little bit, but it was mainly her. And maybe it was just because she was older. Maybe she was a little more knowledgeable on set.
00:21:05
Speaker
But going back to Todd's death scene, he had mentioned or the actor who played them him had mentioned When you see him going into the bathroom, like the halls of his house, apparently set design created it where the walls were like sitting on an angled foundation.
Behind the Scenes Insights
00:21:28
Speaker
that way it can look uneasy to the eye of the audience. And then the same thing in the bathroom, like all the tiles were uneven just to make it look you know really uncomfortable to watch. so Then once he was in the bathtub, it freaked me out more because as he's like choking to death, um I hated the part of seeing his bare feet just trying to be the thing that's like holding him up because bare feet alone makes me uncomfortable.
00:22:02
Speaker
And seeing that that was giving him no, no traction compared to socks because whatever soap was on the tub, it it also made me, you know, had to shield my eyes in that scene.
00:22:15
Speaker
Yeah, it's a pretty horrifying death. And that's an awesome detail of little subtle movie magic. It makes me want to go back and rewatch that scene. Hopefully the listeners have the benefit of going and pausing and checking it out, going to really see what you were talking about.
00:22:33
Speaker
Yeah, Todd's death is inherently just upsetting. All of the fucking kicking and squirming and his eyes... When his eyes first get filled with blood vessels or whatever's happening there to make the whites of his eyes go red, that's when I first cover my eyes. i I'm covering my eyes right now, actually, for the listeners. It was... It's just... It's a lot. It was very hard for me to take in. And I thought there was going to be... Because I didn't remember every detail this movie.
00:23:05
Speaker
I thought the razor was going to play into his death in some way. And it's so funny because... Before I went to rewatch this movie, I was watching a couple other movies, Night of the Living Dead, fucking awesome movie.
00:23:23
Speaker
And then after that, Martin Scorsese's short film, The Big Shave came on. And I didn't know what I was watching. I just really liked the music that was playing. And it's a six minute short of a guy that's just going into a super clean bathroom and he's shaving and shaving.
00:23:40
Speaker
It's on HBO Max. It's on the Criterion channel. If you guys want to check it out, it might be on YouTube. But as he's shaving, there's just more and more cuts and more and more blood coming from his face and he just keeps shaving and it's pretty upsetting. And I was like, oh my God, like, am I about to see a fucked up shaving accident? But that's not the direction they ultimately went in.
00:24:05
Speaker
I also felt really bad because liked Todd's character. Just to backtrack a little bit, you know the main plot or the intro to this movie is this class is going on a plane to Paris for their graduation, senior trip, whatever, and you know Devin Sawa, who plays Alex, gets a premonition that the plane explodes, everyone dies, you know whatever.
00:24:33
Speaker
But it was funny because when you're introduced to Todd, he just he just seems like very chill, very like, I can't think of the word. Cool, chill, lax. I don't know. Those were all bad adjectives I used, actually.
00:24:51
Speaker
I can't think of. There's one on the tip of my tongue and I just can't think of it. It always happens. But... lackadaisical i don't know know hey fuck i can't think of it but anyway he just seems like very very zen you know but he's also excited at the same time for this trip and the funniest fucking part to me where was you know alex is looking at the plane he's you know getting really anxious about getting on there and Todd just like runs up to him and he fucking has sunglasses on. and
00:25:24
Speaker
There's no sun out, so it just makes him look even more goofy as a character. but Then he just comes out with like, hey, Alex, let's go take a shit. and It's like, wait, did I hear that right the first time I watched it?
00:25:38
Speaker
And he was just like, dude, take some knowledge. I'm going to say that line. Take some knowledge to everybody that I talk to now. Just it was funny. But yeah, he was basically like telling Alex like, hey, you know, what if we have to go to the bathroom on the plane?
00:25:55
Speaker
And the two pretty girls here go in right after us. Do you want to have them associate like that bathroom scene with you every time they see you from here on out?
00:26:07
Speaker
And then it just cuts to them both being in the bathroom. I hate talking about like anything related to the bathroom, but that scene itself was funny as hell to me.
00:26:19
Speaker
And just any other interaction he has with Alex, even like after the plane explodes and all of them are out, like you could see he's being ah good friend to Alex. He's trying to you know, shield him the the the douchebag or the dick Carter is trying to like beat Alex's ass.
00:26:42
Speaker
And then once they're at like the memorial for all the students and the other teacher who passed away, You know, he's clearly on the verge of tears because his brother was one of the passengers in the on the flight still who passed away.
00:26:58
Speaker
But, you know, he's telling Alex, like, you know, once all this blows over and my dad cools down, we're going to go on a road trip basically to New York or whatever. so Just seeing like the little glimpse of the type of person Todd was made me very sad when his death scene came up just because of how fucked up it was, but it's like he didn't deserve to go out like that at all.
00:27:27
Speaker
I'm right there with you. I kind of wonder if this movie is stronger if you find characters to kill who aren't Todd and the teacher.
Character Analysis: Alex and Todd
00:27:37
Speaker
At least for me, those were the two strongest characters, and I know they got super effective deaths.
00:27:44
Speaker
Probably the best two in the whole movie, I'd say. Alex, to me, isn't that strong of a lead character. He's just fucking angsty teenage white kid, you know? And I get kind of what they're doing there if it's intentional.
00:28:03
Speaker
This is post-Columbine world that this movie came out in, so you're at the center of... or The center of the movie is a angsty outcast teenager and everybody is kind of wondering what's going on with that kid what's going on in that kid's head so I get the appeal of centering the movie around him but I mean maybe make that character your supporting character or a co-lead or something and focus on a character like Todd more
00:28:42
Speaker
I don't know what the fix is, but I just found Alex overall to be uninteresting and didn't carry the movie too well. Yeah, I feel like he was in here because, well, the only other movies that I had seen him in before were Casper, Now and Idle Hands. I know he was in some other movies, but those were the main ones that I saw of him.
00:29:10
Speaker
So i don't know. It was like maybe a period of time where he was, you know, in demand for whatever movie that was releasing.
00:29:22
Speaker
and I know he does a little of he does play some characters in the recent ah TV series of Chucky but yeah in here he's just I don't know kind of a dud so I yeah i get where you're coming from on that yeah clear i would say is a better main character that's how you pronounce your name right clear it's not Claire No, it's Clear Rivers.
00:29:51
Speaker
Whoever made her name was such an asshole. Clear Rivers. I think a lot of these names are pretty bad. Like Billy Hitchcock, I thought was... Alfred Hitchcock.
00:30:05
Speaker
I know. Scream did it better, I think. True. This movie is kind of doing the Scream thing at times a little poorly. It spends a lot of time explaining the rules that...
00:30:17
Speaker
I mean, that's a part of this movie not aging that well. I feel like you already just know final destination, what the deal is. You don't really need the rules explained to you. And this movie dedicates a lot of time to the rules being explained to you and character moments that don't really amount to much or feel that earned because of how thin the characters are themselves.
00:30:44
Speaker
Yeah, and I feel like I always go back to this detail, but it stands out to me a lot. The, you know, relationship between Alex and Clear That Forms was non-existent to me. It's, you know, in the beginning, she's just reading. She is, you know, kind of isolating herself from the class.
00:31:09
Speaker
She... doesn't know Alex like that, but you know she said that she was able to sense and understand what...
00:31:20
Speaker
Alex was going through when he was like freaking out about his premonition and then their interactions with each other after this you're thinking okay well the storyline is going to follow these two more than likely they're going to end up together in the end but they didn't have any chemistry to me so when you know they started getting a little more touchy with each other very little because I know a lot of the scenes were deleted that showed them being more affectionate with each other.
00:31:58
Speaker
i didn't buy it. So yeah, I like Clara's character more than Alex's, but they could have done better job.
00:32:09
Speaker
Like, you know, the casting crew could have done a better job with like pairing up two people. I did not like how it was, you know, assumed that they were ending up together.
00:32:20
Speaker
I wonder if the movie would have worked better if they left in some of the deleted stuff, but they tested it with test audiences and there is a value to the test audience.
00:32:33
Speaker
And they said they didn't really react well to the love subplot. The, Movie originally ended with Clear getting pregnant with Alex's kid, Alex dying at the end of it, and then it's Clear and Carter at Alex's grave, and a leaf blows, and she's like, I can feel Alex here with me, and that would be a callback to the leaf blowing after Todd died when Alex is like running to his house or something like that.
00:33:05
Speaker
But they ended up cutting that. And there was going to be a whole thing where Claire giving birth outside of death's plan, maybe protected her or something.
00:33:18
Speaker
And it was going to be a love trumps all type of ending. Very TV show, happy wrap it up type of thing. I could have some of the details wrong, but that was originally one of the endings they were leaning towards.
00:33:32
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't watch the deleted scenes this time around. i just remembered it from before. And i would have hated it if that's how the movie ended.
00:33:43
Speaker
Because even like the little details that they did keep in here, so After, you know, Alex meets up with Claire at her house, she's or he's saying, you know, I just wish I could see Todd again. Maybe I can understand what happened to him. So she's like, well, let's go see him. And they break into a funeral home to go find Todd in the morgue.
00:34:08
Speaker
And it's like, wait, what the hell? All of a sudden, she has like this you know trippy personality where she's like, yeah, doing something that I shouldn't be doing, it like gives me a rush. Okay, that doesn't fit the style that you were portraying from the get-go. so I don't know. but I hated that they did that in there. That's a cool detail.
00:34:34
Speaker
Just that they are breaking into a funeral home. Like I was watching CZ's World where he's covering things you missed on this film. And he was like, just once, I would love to have a girl take me on a date to break into a funeral home. He's like, she had it right here.
00:34:51
Speaker
I agree. That is very cute, kind of, but not executed well between them. I agree. It was a very ah strange scene between both of them, and it leads into a very strange interaction with Tony Todd.
00:35:07
Speaker
But I think Clear doesn't strike me as someone who would go and do something like that. I've met people in real life who have Claire's personality type, and I get she's a little bit older were this age.
00:35:26
Speaker
we were at this stage like When we were in high school, it was like late two thousand or early two thousand ten s basically. So we're like 10 years later than these guys.
00:35:39
Speaker
But a lot of the girls I knew who were kind of like clear would play video games and they would hang out with the boys and they would, you know, be like another one of the guys. They wouldn't be some antisocial person who sneaks into morgues after hours.
00:35:57
Speaker
Yeah, it just doesn't fit the type of character that she is showing herself to be. And then it bothered me too because every other time that she spoke with Alex about, you know, what was or when she was letting him explain, hey, this is what happened with Todd, you know, this is what's going to happen to everyone else.
00:36:21
Speaker
All of a sudden, she's basically implying like, dude, you're fucking crazy. you know, now I'm certain that Todd killed himself. he This was not a part of death's design.
00:36:35
Speaker
And her reasoning was, you know, her dad was killed before. And she was just like, okay, well, if that was some design that my dad was supposed to die this way, and in general, you know, fuck death.
00:36:50
Speaker
So that... I get, but how are you going to start at the beginning, you know, following Alex, being a little more empathetic towards him and saying, yeah, you know, i felt what he was feeling, being like, you know,
Clear's Character Arc
00:37:09
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perceptive on that. But then you just flip the switch after you talk to Tony Todd and all of a sudden you just don't believe Alex anymore and he's crazy.
00:37:18
Speaker
Like, I don't know. Would you believe someone? In that situation, like death has a design. i would do my best to at least try to see it from their point of view. At the very least, it would be to humor them, maybe. i It's like, it is very weird. So Clear does have a very abrupt shift on Alex. It doesn't make total sense. Everybody also is just behaving kind of weird.
00:37:50
Speaker
I know modern horror, the big thing is trauma. Everything's a metaphor for trauma nowadays, some type of trauma that somebody's experienced. And Final Destination feels like it should really focus on the trauma.
00:38:06
Speaker
But there's not a second where anybody mourns, where anybody feels remotely upset for more than two seconds after the death occurs of somebody.
00:38:19
Speaker
Everybody's character behavior is just totally odd. And yeah, Alex did call this situation. He did predict everything that happened on the plane correctly.
00:38:35
Speaker
And maybe he's predicting some of these other deaths. I mean, everybody is just treating him very weird. I don't buy their behavior towards him. They all are mad at him as if he's tracking them down and shoving it down their throats.
00:38:50
Speaker
He's really just kind of showing up a little too late. So i don't I don't get everybody's hang up with... Alex, especially like Sean William Scott's character, Billy. He, I don't understand his character at all.
00:39:08
Speaker
He's just there for the comedic relief, like constantly calling the guy Carter a dick, which was funny. i was trying to count how many times he did that and I lost count.
00:39:19
Speaker
um But yeah, it was strange because You see everyone's mood is a little different. you know They're all traumatized from what happened with the plane.
00:39:34
Speaker
And yeah they're not really... mourning the way, you know, an average Joe would. The only person that I did see an actual difference with was um Carter's girlfriend, Terry Chaney.
00:39:52
Speaker
So everyone else, they just looked a little disheveled. They look like their hair is a little messed up. but They look sleepy, you know, whatever. But her, when ah it's it's clear and Alex, they're having coffee, they're talking, and then Carter and Terry are driving. Carter sees Alex, so he gets pissed off and wants to go, like, I don't know, beat his ass or whatever.
00:40:20
Speaker
Terry is the only one who looks different because in the beginning, they show her, you know, being lovey-dovey with Carter. She had on like a bright-ass pink blouse. she even was matching it with like pinkish, purplish makeup, whatever.
00:40:35
Speaker
and and this part, she was wearing more of like neutral brown colors and her makeup was a lot darker than in the beginning.
00:40:48
Speaker
so She was the only one who actually looked a little different and looked a little sad, but at the same time, she was pretty much fed up because Carter was just basically revolving his life around wanting to beat the shit out of Alex.
00:41:03
Speaker
And, you know, it's cool because she goes off on him and is just like, all right, if you want to spend your life doing this, well, then fine, I'm leaving. You could drop dead. And then unfortunately, she meets her demise with the bus hitting her.
00:41:16
Speaker
But marina
00:41:20
Speaker
but like everyone else, they seemed OK. Well, Miss Luton, she was a little shaken up. But yeah, everyone else, they're just like kind of normal, especially Billy's character.
00:41:33
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that scene you're talking about in particular, I just felt like everything and everybody about it, everything about it and everybody involved in that scene was pretty weird because when Carter shows up, he almost runs over Billy for whatever reason. i don't know why he's got a thing against Billy or if it was just a reckless mistake.
00:41:59
Speaker
It felt like just a thing to get the audience being like, oh, my God, are they going to kill Billy in this scene? But it feels so clumsily set up because, like you said, they're eating coffee.
00:42:10
Speaker
Then Carter and Terry happen to drive by. Billy's just around doing fuck all. Nobody knows what he's doing. And then their teacher just happens to be walking out of the same coffee shop, a bookstore. I don't know where she's walking out of it, but where she's walking out of it, she's Walking out of somewhere and she's there now and everybody is just all at the same location somehow conveniently for Alex to then try to explain the death design thing to everybody.
00:42:41
Speaker
And that scene was pretty clunky. and I got to say, too, I'm I don't remember if every single movie goes the goes on and on this much about talking about death's design.
00:42:54
Speaker
But I don't really understand what death's goal is. Is death giving Alex the premonitions? Is God giving Alex the premonitions to help him combat death? What is the point of the premonitions?
00:43:07
Speaker
Why can't they just avoid the accident without the premonition? Who is giving Alex the premonition? Is he psychic? what Where does this fall into play in Death's design and why does Death have an order and why does he just so patiently wait as we'll get into in future entries and in this movie? Why is Death so patient throughout all of this?
00:43:36
Speaker
No, that's funny. All of that were things that I thought of before. and it really puts you in like a mind fuck because you're just like, yeah, why is it that Alex out of all of these people is the one?
00:43:52
Speaker
to have these premonitions. And what for? Because when he saves them, if they are able to cheat death once, death comes back around and fucking mutilates these people essentially. And it's like, well...
00:44:08
Speaker
Why are you kind of taking it out on them as if they did something bad?
Personification of Death in Media
00:44:14
Speaker
They just, you know, someone else intervened on their supposed death at one point. So it's not their fault.
00:44:24
Speaker
But yeah, it's it's a little scary in this film because in other movies and shows, like i used to watch Charmed a lot and even Supernatural.
00:44:35
Speaker
And they have death as basically an entity in there. So like death in charmed compared to all the other demons showed no emotion whatsoever.
00:44:51
Speaker
and you would you think kind of at first when he is presented and presented in the show that he's kind of like an asshole, but he's like, I'm not good, I'm not bad, i just am. and i have a list that I need to follow.
00:45:12
Speaker
and if it's not followed, then it throws off the natural balance. And then even in Supernatural, like death doesn't have any type of personality.
00:45:25
Speaker
He just goes about doing what he has to do, you know, collecting souls. And in here, it's not like death is personified. Death is literally just a force coming after people.
00:45:39
Speaker
So it makes it more uneasy because Yeah, we're not associating it with a person. We're associating it with something that we can't see because death is inevitable.
00:45:52
Speaker
i want to say that either the writers or New Line were trying to push for possibly some type of manifestation of death being in this movie.
00:46:04
Speaker
Ultimately, like maybe it's the better decision because I don't remember if the other movies do this and it always catches me off guard when this movie does it. But death is slightly shown in this movie. When Alex is, or not Alex, when Todd is about to die, there's a shadow that's behind him. It almost looks like a gasoline leak or something.
00:46:29
Speaker
And then death likes to take the form of so very sneaky water. He likes the idea of water that's kind of sneaky. You know? He likes to just sneak in there and be like, oh, I'm going to make it look like a suicide, which, I mean, why? Is he worried somebody's going to catch on to his plan? why does Can you explain to me why death needs to make it look like a suicide with Todd? It's very odd. And he, like, incriminates...
00:46:57
Speaker
alex that might just be because of alex's own stupidity i don't know if death he might have just been doing death a favor in that one on his own i don't know if death really orchestrated him grabbing the knife from the teacher's chest but yeah i just i found it they did choose to occasionally show physical form of death Yeah, even when Alex is going to Miss Luton's house to warn her, but his dumb ass, he was just making the most awkward ass mistakes because he...
00:47:34
Speaker
he Got to her house and he's just like creeping outside her front lawn. And she just happens to look out her window and notices him. So she calls the police.
00:47:46
Speaker
And then he goes into her house and fucking at that point, she's already like getting a fucking piece of glass or shard from her computer monitor just like gashed in her throat.
00:48:04
Speaker
Then a fucking knife falls into her chest or her ribs, whatever. and his dumb ass comes in. He's like, oh, yeah, let me help you. But then he pulls the knife out and then he's the way he's just holding it. You're like, all right, now it just looks like you stabbed her.
00:48:20
Speaker
And then he left a footprint. Yeah, obviously unintentionally in her blood. So it's like, okay, dude, this looks so bad because everyone's already suspicious of you because you got everyone off the plane, even though you didn't do anything.
00:48:38
Speaker
And then you showed up at Todd's house right after he died. And now you're showing up at this woman's house right after she died. And you're touching shit in her house. Now it just looks like you were in her house.
00:48:51
Speaker
What the fuck, man? Get a brain here. I don't know if you like fully like touch on it, but the computer exploding because of the vodka and the glass and the jugular, i was just like, oh my god, that's a lot to do to one person. And they just don't stop from there with this death. So it looks like Alex really murdered the shit out of this woman.
00:49:16
Speaker
Yeah, that one didn't make sense to me because it's like, okay, why did the computer blow up? The computer was off too, so that made it funnier. Everything blows up in this movie for some reason. like There's a car that blows up, and I'm like, I'm not sure cars actually blow up like that when they catch fire.
00:49:37
Speaker
I think they just get engulfed in flames. I'm not sure there's an actual explosion that happens. I could be wrong, though. That is true. You got the plane exploding, the car exploding, her computer exploding. Good comment. another explosion.
00:49:51
Speaker
Oh, the oven explodes too. The oven? Her oven explodes? It like blows up the whole house, doesn't it? Her whole house gets leveled or am i imagining that? I don't know. I can't remember. Her death scene was kind of Who Who knows?
00:50:07
Speaker
yeah like I do want to say, i know you had something to say, real quick, Kristen Cloak is probably my favorite performance in the movie. Her, then the two detectives, but we can get into the detectives later.
00:50:20
Speaker
No, I was just saying like I liked how the little foreshadowing was in her house where you see behind her there's this stained glass window or whatever door, and it was of a sword or like a dagger, and then that's what she was like stabbed with, a knife, obviously.
00:50:42
Speaker
so it was It was also funny, too, because when she was wrapping up some of the things that she was putting away to move, it looked like she had like a Viking horn.
00:50:53
Speaker
And so I'm like, all right, she got that. She got like a sword or dagger like as art here. Like, what is this woman into? I didn't catch the Viking horn. Maybe it was something you could like drink out of. Maybe she was a party animal. She was drinking vodka right then and there. Maybe she should have poured it in that horn and it would have been safe. It wouldn't have cracked and ah started leaking all over the computer.
00:51:19
Speaker
But it is unfortunate that it was the rag on the knife and pull on the like thing of knives and pulling the rag down that brought down the knife. That was her fault, though. like What fucking idiot puts a rag on a stack of knives right there? like You're stupid for that. I'm sorry, but that was such a shitty move on her part.
00:51:41
Speaker
Also, a stack of knives near the ledge is pretty irresponsible. I have my stack of knives all the way in the corner of my kitchen. and i mean Even my girlfriend, hers, is in a pretty tucked away spot. i mean Do you keep your knives near ledges typically?
00:51:59
Speaker
No, I put them in the corner and then when I wash dishes, those those are the only utensils that I'll put in the dish rack facing downward. i don't like them facing upward because if that happens, I'm going to slice and dice up my hands and I don't feel like doing that.
00:52:19
Speaker
I will say, though, sometimes I do take just giant like Michael Myers-sized knives and just put them on the edge of the counter and just really see what happens throughout the day. so Maybe my dog sniffs it and something wild happens. you know Live life on the edge.
00:52:34
Speaker
i I like it. I dig it. You're playing a little version of Russian roulette there. It is, especially owning a dog, too. Having objects near the edge of things is like a game of Russian roulette with an unattended dog.
00:52:50
Speaker
It really is. if I put like the smallest piece of food on the edge of the table because Evie is fully like committed to getting me to give her a piece of food, that sounded like a bunch of words that didn't even need to be in that sentence.
00:53:12
Speaker
But yeah, she'll just be sitting there eyeing the fuck out of my food and I'm making her wait. And then I'll look away just to see what she does. And she she she won't grab it when I look away. She'll grab it when I'm staring at her.
00:53:29
Speaker
Kind of just like, fuck you. I'm going to eat this now. Like I'm not waiting on you. So, yeah, dogs are sneaky. I luckily have not fed my boxer any table scraps, and you can, for the most part, leave food unattended, and she won't get into it. If the house is completely empty,
Personal Anecdotes: Lighthearted Intermission
00:53:49
Speaker
not just food, she will destroy anything she can get into, almost like out of anxiety. You just have to clear whatever area she's in when we leave her home.
00:54:00
Speaker
Usually it's like the kitchen. We'll just put up a gate in the kitchen. we have to keep nothing out or she'll destroy it. But not giving her any table scraps has made her just entirely uninterested in what we're eating. So it's pretty nice. It's the only dog I've ever had that ah with.
00:54:18
Speaker
you know i was trying not to give her scraps, but you know her favorite person in the world did, of course, and now she expects that from both of us and will drool on our feet and our legs until we give her some.
00:54:37
Speaker
Oh, man. i Now in my life, i mean, I never really was give a dog scraps type of person, but I've adopted a lot of dogs that were used to getting scraps, so they've kind of had that behavior.
00:54:51
Speaker
But now that I've had a dog where I've been able to train from pup and control that, I'm like, oh, I'm never going back. It's awesome not having a dog that doesn't give a fuck about your food.
00:55:02
Speaker
Or it's awesome having a dog that doesn't give a fuck about your food. And it's weird, too. I've come to the realization, i think I love my dog. When did you come to that realization? Because, you know, listeners would know you guys have had a love-hate relationship.
00:55:19
Speaker
More so on the hate side of the spectrum. I don't know. i think... It was the other day i was walking her and guys, my dog is a rescue dog. So I have to walk her with a muzzle and she's a pit bull too.
00:55:37
Speaker
But I was walking her and then I heard a dog running up to us and it was from this house that we were right next to And the dog tried to jump on her.
00:55:50
Speaker
So she's fighting back too. and then I'm like... i'm like shocking her with her shot collar the owner whoever was watching this dog came out to grab him and she was like I'm sorry we're just uh dog sitting you know blah blah blah and I'm like it's it's cool I I get it but i felt bad because I had to, you know, kind of, well, I had to shock my dog because of that.
00:56:17
Speaker
And then normally she knows that once once we get home, if I shock her, she did something bad. So she'll like come home, she'll sit down, you know, whatever, um and just try to be good. This time around, like, you know, I'm talking to her, trying to, you know, baby her because i I genuinely felt bad that I had to do that. And then she was just cuddling with me the rest of the day. I'm like, oh my God, why are you like this with me right now? You never want to cuddle with me I was like, fuck, I think I love you.
00:56:49
Speaker
so yeah, that's been really hard to deal with this week. Yeah, having that change of heart. You're having your own character development on air right now, and it's kind of heartwarming to see. I mean, she came to your age. she was She went into protection mode for you, it sounds like. Yeah, that's what my friend said, so I'm like...
00:57:12
Speaker
damn because guys I normally talk so much shit about my dog I talk shit to my dog while in like the baby talk voice so yeah but like yeah I think I love my dog so that's really hard for me to come around to but anyway back to the film luckily she doesn't understand the the words you're saying in the baby talk voice so it's still she's receiving positive messages very true very true Yeah, but back to the movie at hand. I don't know if we get many dogs in this, if we're going to have many dog talk. I can't talk right now.
00:57:51
Speaker
I don't know if we'll have any dog. Fuck. I don't know if we'll see many dogs in this season. I might leave all of that and I might cut it out. But that. ah So, you know, it was good to have the dog talk while we had the opportunity I do want to throw out real quick, I think that the mom is to blame for all of this. And then I have an actual side thing about the parents of Alex that I want to get into.
Superstition and Anxiety: A Personal Reflection
00:58:21
Speaker
But the mom cutting the tag off the bag, within the context of the movie, I think she's the reason that the plane crashed. And I also have to say, that fucking thing from the tray coming undone on the plane...
00:58:37
Speaker
I would have probably had a bad reaction to that just in the way that Alex did too, because I was thinking if they can overlook such a small and fixable problem, that's that out in the open on this plane.
00:58:53
Speaker
What in the mechanical side of things is small and is a problem that they're overlooking? so Two things. It's Alex's mom's fault and the tray would have tripped me out too.
00:59:08
Speaker
and I don't even have a fear of flying. I just am very impatient and annoyed by flying. Shit, I'm afraid of flying. like I can do it. I just prefer not to because- because you know Once you're in the air, I'm like, all right, we're in the air.
00:59:25
Speaker
But there will be like a certain point in the middle of the flight where I'm like, fuck, there's nothing beneath me. and Then I get that feeling in my stomach like you're dropping and I have to start thinking about like dinosaurs or something to calm my ass down because i end up really freaking out.
00:59:46
Speaker
Why dinosaurs? dinosaurs? Dinosaurs bring me comfort. I love dinosaurs. i love few of the Jurassic Park movies. The main dinosaurs that I love to think about are the T-Rex, pterodactyls, and the plesiosaur.
01:00:07
Speaker
So I really have to zone in on those to calm down. It's weird. I know. When you watch Jurassic World Rebirth, you should let me know and we should maybe do an off the rails on one of these and talk a little bit about that.
01:00:21
Speaker
I'd like to get your thoughts on Rebirth. I'm more positive on it than a lot of people. Wait, weren't you the one that was saying like you weren't looking forward to that? I wasn't looking forward to it, but I came out but liking it a lot more than I thought I would. i We can get into it a bit more, but I enjoyed the dinosaur sequences. Again, it's another movie with paper thing characters, but there were sequences in it where I was like, yeah, I know I'm accepting the bare minimum from them at this point, but I ah like what this is offering in the dinosaur department more than the last three movies.
01:00:57
Speaker
Okay, I can accept that. I'll check it out. Yeah, but that's a good point to make about the tray, though, because, yeah, if they overlooked something that minuscule, like what else is going on in this fucking plane?
01:01:12
Speaker
Like some some other shit's going on there. So, yeah. Think twice, guys, before you board a plane. Shit can happen. so are Do you have much more to say about Final Destination, or are you cool if I maybe get into some Bloodlines thoughts in relation to this movie?
01:01:34
Speaker
Are there any deaths we missed? One thing I'll throw out pretty quickly. Carter grew on me the more this movie passed. After the train sequence, I thought thank you ah really warmed up to him, and I thought his ending was pretty cool at the end of it. You never really see a thruple. it's you know You see the final girl, you've heard of that.
01:01:54
Speaker
You've never heard of the final thruple, though. So I really liked that. And then they take him out at the end. I liked Carter's character. Yeah, he was a dick. And it's funny because you see him softening up a little bit towards the end. Obviously, he is angry because his girlfriend was
Carter's Character Development
01:02:11
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killed.
01:02:11
Speaker
And then the one guy who he kind of feels is responsible for all of this. He just wants to beat the fuck out of him every time he sees him. But then he's also like, no, I need to keep him around because he knows who's next to die.
01:02:25
Speaker
And then you just see him kind of unraveling after Billy gets killed. He basically gets fucking beheaded by piece of metal from a fucking railroad.
01:02:39
Speaker
That was hard to watch. But yeah, towards the end, he's he's like, you know, just he's not angry. He's kind of come to terms with everything and he's grieved. He's moved on when they're when all three of them took a trip to Paris finally.
01:02:58
Speaker
But then it was funny because when Alex is talking about, you know, the seating arrangements and how he technically should have died, Carter comes out with like, or you could still be next. I was like, damn, this guy really is a dick. Even after everything that happened, he still came out with that. So I liked his character a lot.
01:03:19
Speaker
Yeah, that note when he was drilling at home when he he was like, or you could be next. I know what that would do to me. It would kill any sense of relief I just had. It'd be like, oh, wait, one other person thinks that I might still not be out of this. Then I'm going to stress about it for the rest of my life or at least like the next couple of hours.
01:03:41
Speaker
Yeah, and it was amusing too just because when we they were all at the memorial, Billy comes up to Alex and is like, hey, you know, I passed my driver's test and he was saying that the the DMV teacher, whoever, was like, young man, you're going to die a very young age. And he's like laughing nervously. He's like, well, is that true?
01:04:05
Speaker
And I could not stop laughing at him because it's like, Are you that much of a dumbass? like You really think this guy is psychic here and he can tell the future on if you are going to die specifically? like I don't know. His character was funny as hell too.
01:04:22
Speaker
I did kind of like that a little bit. like They were treating it almost like it's Stephen King's The Dead Zone or something. like He is constantly getting premonitions when he's coming into contact with people, but that's not the case. They're just misunderstanding it.
01:04:38
Speaker
I don't mean to say this to rain on yours or anyone's parade or be Mr. Sourpuss. I know Sean William Scott is a beloved actor for some people and like some performances he's given.
01:04:55
Speaker
I don't think he's good in this movie. I like can't stand when he's on screen or when I'm watching him in this thing. I just like the stupidity that he brings to the screen because his main line that he has to say repeatedly is, Carter, you dick.
01:05:14
Speaker
And that's it. And I just think like he really emphasizes on every word when he says don't like... don't like his character in American Pie. I actually saw this before I saw American Pie. I agree.
01:05:30
Speaker
Yeah, it was like such fucking... I don't like American and Pie, really. Yeah, same. like Yeah, a lot of people, they do like American Pie. I'm not sure why. i I'm not one who likes it.
01:05:44
Speaker
But yeah, his character in there, i was not a fan of. His character in here, you don't see a lot of it. He just looks like goofy and silly to me and I think that's why he's more appealing to me in here than he is in any other movie.
01:06:02
Speaker
Would you believe that American Pie was written by the guy who would go on to direct Twilight New Moon? Christopher Weiss. I'm actually a fan of his a little bit so it's unfortunate about American Pie.
01:06:19
Speaker
He directed New Moon? He did, yes. Do you like that in comparison to the other Twilight? Wow. Sorry, that blew mind. Where's that wow coming from?
01:06:32
Speaker
No, that's just like crazy because it's like, how? how I guess he has range there, but wow.
01:06:44
Speaker
I'm sorry. What was your question? What was your question? I don't remember what my question was. Did I have a question? I think you had, I don't know, but that threw me off. Anyway, no, I wouldn't believe that Maybe that was your question. and i wouldn't believe that it's the same Derek. That could have been the question. When I'm editing it, I guess I'll ah hear it all.
01:07:04
Speaker
But I guess two other characters I kind of want to touch on briefly also are the two detectives who we keep seeing
Role of Detectives in the Film
01:07:14
Speaker
throughout the movie. They seem like, I was like, would that have been Scully and Mulder or something? like Would these be the two leads from the X-Files standing in for these characters if it was an X-Files episode?
01:07:28
Speaker
Yeah. I like the one dude who was just creepy. And then he says that Alex gives him the creeps because he kind of believed him. And then I think the other guys like you give me the creeps or whatever, but yeah, they, and these were good detectives, good horror movie detectives, I'd say.
01:07:46
Speaker
Yeah, you see a lot of like cops or detectives in horror films where they are either such assholes or they are there to also be like goofballs. Yeah.
01:08:02
Speaker
and These ones, they weren't. you know They were trying to investigate what the hell happened with Alex on the plane. How did he know that all these people were going to die and you know he was able to get off of the plane before that happened? you know What the hell is going on? and Why is it now that Everyone who got off the plane, they're getting killed in these crazy sort of ways.
01:08:30
Speaker
And they're questioning Alex, but then they also like let him go too because they're like, well, we don't have anything on him. So, you know, what are we going to do? And then at the end, they are trying to you know, make sure Alex is okay. They're trying to bring him back to life after he, you know, basically fries himself by trying to save Clear before her car explodes.
01:08:54
Speaker
So, yeah, with these guys, like, they had that one little laugh in there. Like, you just said, well, sometimes you give me the creeps. But the rest of the film, like, they they were decent. Like, they didn't do anything, like, annoying or anything, like,
01:09:10
Speaker
out of the ordinary so yeah good detectives or detectives agents in here for me at least this movie really starts cooking when the detectives are interrogating the survivors of the plane crash and they're like well why did you say that thing to your friend after the plane crash why did you say i wish you were on there were you planning something That's when I was really starting to lock in with this thing.
01:09:36
Speaker
And I started to get ninety s police procedural kind of vibes. And I don't say that much as a derogatory. it Even though some parts of this movie don't hold up and feel a little dated...
01:09:52
Speaker
The vibe of it and the TV show X-Files-y police procedural vibe of it all really worked for me and is what got me locked into this movie.
TV Procedural and X-Files Vibe
01:10:04
Speaker
yeah Just the vibe of it itself, I liked just early 2000s, but I don't know. I feel like... Oh, shit.
01:10:17
Speaker
I don't know. I feel like we could have gotten... I don't know, less of like an interaction between like Clear and Alex and maybe more of Alex and Carter or just like other little things like that. But I mean, all in all, that's pretty much all my thoughts on this film. like It has a good like intro for its time.
01:10:46
Speaker
Probably scared the fuck out of everybody. but Yeah, this film, not one of my favorites. Yeah, I'm right there with you. Not one of my favorites see either.
01:10:57
Speaker
I find the ending climax to be pretty sloppy, and it's kind of... It's like sloppily shot. It's hard to tell what's really going on. And by that point, I'm waiting for this thing to wrap up, even though I do enjoy the Paris button at the end of this, where they're all...
01:11:17
Speaker
kind of celebrating why they're there it felt like the end of an episode of a tv show to me kind of and i thought it was pretty good choice not having her pregnant at the end but i wonder what the franchise looks like if you do all of that i am excited for what's to come though i think uh we have better movies on the horizon Before we fully wrap up, are you cool if I talk about something in relation to bloodlines real quick?
Bloodlines' Impact on the Franchise
01:11:50
Speaker
Yes, go ahead. Take the reins on that. Okay, so listeners, if you haven't seen Final Destination Bloodlines, you can skip ahead to the end of the episode. But if you choose to end it here, rate and review is five stars. Leave us a five-star review on Apple Podcasts, and maybe we'll read it on the air, especially throughout this season.
01:12:10
Speaker
Any new listeners, thank you for joining us. So Final Destination Bloodline, spoilers ahead for that movie and possibly their movies in the Final Destination franchise.
01:12:23
Speaker
But I want to say they lay out that movie. So the rules of that movie are like there's the inciting incident that happens and the rest of what we're seeing in this movie is death kind of making up for all the people that survived that inciting incident.
01:12:44
Speaker
And all the kids that happen to have been had by those survivors, it's getting all of their offspring. so And we see in Final Destination Bloodlines, they're getting the family in order.
01:12:58
Speaker
They start with the dad, and then they're going down the line all the way to sister. to the sister So how come Alex's parents, one of his parents aren't dying before him in this movie?
01:13:14
Speaker
Like I would assume he, his family, someone in his family was linked to that initial incident. Maybe I read that wrong and not every movie is tied to that.
01:13:27
Speaker
And maybe it's all unrelated, but is he couple generations later? after the events of the beginning of Final Destination bloodlines, and I'm doing a terrible job of explaining it.
01:13:40
Speaker
and If so, shouldn't his mom or dad die before he dies in that plane crash? I don't think they would have died just because I feel like it started with Alex. so Maybe if him and Clear had a baby, then the baby would have died.
01:13:58
Speaker
I don't really think it would have been his it didn't start with Alex. if It started at that Space Needle restaurant that they were in and all the people that survived that.
01:14:09
Speaker
Death is going after all of them them and all of the family that they had. And we're to believe that all of these characters are somehow offspring from the original incident in Final Destination Bloodlines. If I read that movie correctly...
01:14:26
Speaker
So Alex seeing the premonition, he is one of the ancestors of somebody from that space needle. And it is going down the line. It would be killing everybody in his family, blood related to whoever survived from that accident that came from her or him.
01:14:49
Speaker
You know what I mean? Yeah, the that's true. Yeah. So we're to believe like Alex's grandma or grandpa was on that Space Needle or something and they would have had to, death would have had to come for them.
01:15:05
Speaker
and then if they had Alex's mom or dad, death would have had to come for them. Then death would get Alex. Because in Bloodlines, their grandma, I want to say, survives that Space Needle thing.
01:15:20
Speaker
And then she becomes like a hardened survivor. And then death one by one is going after everybody. It's right going down the line, killing everybody. It gets the dad, the brothers, and then to her, the the youngest.
01:15:38
Speaker
I just need to watch Bloodlines again because now that just blew my mind. right, listeners. so Since we're this early on, write in and let me know if I'm wrong or better explain this to me.
01:15:51
Speaker
Help me understand a little bit. But yeah, that was just the one thing I kept thinking, like, wouldn't it be systematically going down the line of Alex's family?
01:16:02
Speaker
Because my impression was all of these people we're seeing in these movies are tied to survivors of that space needle. They're all related to those survivors.
01:16:13
Speaker
So yeah, guys, just stay tuned. We got, you know, the rest of the this season covering Final Destination all the way up to Bloodlines. If you haven't seen that, like Nick said, go see it before we cover the episode. It's such a great film and it's a refresher from, you know, how all the films that preceded it were. So just go watch it. No excuses.
01:16:39
Speaker
Yeah, and i hope you guys are excited for what's to come and you guys enjoyed this episode. I don't know about you, Mercedes. I would give Final Destination probably like a three out of five. It's right down the middle for me and a good start conceptually for the franchise, but isn't like home run?
01:16:59
Speaker
Yeah, it's definitely not a home run. I would say maybe a three out of five as well. Again, when I first watched it I think I liked it a lot. Maybe it was just the cast that was in it, even though they weren't like super familiar faces.
01:17:16
Speaker
But yeah, I rewatching it and even every time I watched it after my initial watch it. It's not great. So I'm excited to jump into two because I actually like to a lot.
01:17:29
Speaker
Yeah, i told you before we started recording, I threw on a little bit of two when I finished one. And i I'm in a Final Destination mood a little bit. There's something fun about the mechanics of these Rube Goldberg machines, a setup of potential deaths, the fake-outs that ah happen throughout these movies.
01:17:51
Speaker
yeah They only get better from here,
Engaging with the Audience
01:17:54
Speaker
I'd say. So, yeah, stay tuned. And if you're new to Final Destination, hopefully this episode gets you to watch the rest of them.
01:18:02
Speaker
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01:18:21
Speaker
And yeah, just stay tuned for what we got in store for you guys next week. Yeah, and if you guys have any feedback you'd like to give the podcast or any suggestions and you're not on social media, write in to us at morbidcuriosities10 at gmail.com.
Conclusion and Teaser for Next Episode
01:18:36
Speaker
That'll be below in our show notes. We've already had ah couple people write in since our weapons episode. So keep writing in and make sure, like Mercedes said, follow the podcast on Instagram and rate us five stars. And we'll see you next week with Final Destination 2.
01:18:54
Speaker
We've been Morbid Curiosities. Yeah.
01:19:15
Speaker
What's up, guys? We're Morbid Curiosities, your favorite horror movie podcast, bringing you another episode. I'm one of your hosts, Nicholas Sewers, and with me is... forgot the nickname.
01:19:27
Speaker
It's okay. You don't always have to say them. No, I gotta always say them every episode now. All right, hold on. I'll start over. What's up, guys? We're Morbid Curiosities, bringing you another episode.
01:19:40
Speaker
Oh, shit. Take three.