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Episode 19: Learn Healing Tools to Use in Your Everyday Life with Rev. Laura Hopper from Psychic Horizons
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In this episode, we are joined by the amazing Rev. Laura Hopper. She is the founder and director of Psychic Horizons, and has been changing lives for over 42 years (including ours!). Laura started the school when she was young. She shares how she got into the spirituality space, started teaching, and how the school is doing. Also, Laura will tell us why she chose to have the school in a city over a serene place.
Listen in and learn.
Key Talking Points of the Episode:
[01:31] Getting to know Laura Hopper
[11:14] Why is Laura's school based in the city?
[13:20] How Laura realized she has psychic abilities
[15:12] How people around Laura reacted when she became spiritual
[20:33] How Laura called Lili to go into the program
[25:06] Lessons and events offered at Psychic Horizons
[33:41] what's happening currently at Psychic Horizons
Magical Quotes from the Episode:
"Our goal is to give people tools, you know, meditation, healing tools, so that you can use them in your everyday life and in your meditation life."
"Meditation is from my perspective, the bridge between who you are a spirit and then your everyday life."
"Your attention is how you create your life. If your attention is scattered, then how you're creating your life is scattered."
"Everything that happens on the inside is reflected on the outside."
Resources:
Psychic Horizons
Psychic Horizons IG
Psychic Horizons FB Page
Note: This podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only.
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast and Hosts
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Welcome to Psychic Girls Next Door.
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We are your hosts, Lily Barino and Shannon Miller.
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This podcast is for all spirituality enthusiasts and psychics next door to share tools, experiences and spiritual practices that align with your highest vibrational self.
Transformative Training at Psychic Horizons
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So if you have listened to our past episodes, you have heard us mentioning the school where both Shannon and I had our meditation and clairvoyant training and how it had changed our lives.
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And we probably sound like a broken record because for me, it has benefited my life in so many different ways to the point where I say my life before Psychic Horizons and after Psychic Horizons.
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So...
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That's how I define my life.
Meet Laura Hopper, Founder of Psychic Horizons
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So as our first guest, we are honored to have Laura Hopper, who is the founder and director of Psychic Horizons.
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Hello, Laura.
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doing good how are you excited yeah we're so happy to have you we've been you know manifesting this and you know essentially we're just so grateful that you're here today uh but we would love for everyone to know like please tell us about your background where you grew up your educational background if you were religious or spiritual growing up uh and then for a fun one your astrological sign
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Well, Psychic Horizons is now 42 years old.
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So when I first started doing this, I was quite young.
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But my background is that my parents met in Tehran, Iran, because they were both teachers at a Presbyterian school there.
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There was an English-speaking school.
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So they met and married there.
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And when they came back after three years, my mom was pregnant with me.
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So I was born, I feel like my energy is both from the Middle East and from the U.S. because I was born in the U.S. in Kentucky.
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And my dad went to seminary for three years in Louisville, Kentucky.
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And then they went back as missionaries.
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So when I was two years old, I went back.
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So I grew up in Iran until I was 16.
From Law to Spirituality: Laura's Journey
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Came back to the States, went to college in Florida and also back in Louisville, Kentucky, University of Louisville, where I graduated in political science, was going to go to law school.
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And then some friends of mine had moved to San Francisco.
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So another friend and I decided we were going to San Francisco.
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Also, I gave up law school.
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I didn't really want to do it anyway.
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And because my roommate at the time was a lawyer at Legal Aid where I was working as a paralegal.
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And I saw what he had to go through to be a lawyer.
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It was frustrating.
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And so, and I felt it didn't have, it wasn't real personal to the people involved.
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And so I decided to come out here and came out here in 1974 and within two months had met a neighbor.
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who was going to a meditation school in Berkeley.
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Now, this is not something
Founding and Challenges of Psychic Horizons
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I was interested in.
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I had been doing politics and anti-Vietnam War politics, civil rights, women's movement, all that kind of thing.
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So I was not the least bit interested in spiritual pursuits, but my friend was.
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And so this guy, Rick, would come over and they'd talk about all this stuff.
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But my friend wanted a, for Christmas, wanted a Christmas present, a book called What Seth Speaks, which is one of the books about spirituality.
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And I really didn't want to buy this book.
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I went to the bookstore.
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I saw it.
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I thought, I've got to buy something else.
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I was in so much resistance.
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I tried to buy something else, but that was the cheapest book at the time.
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So we didn't have very much money, so I ended up buying it.
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So I bought the book, gave it to her.
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She read it.
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She said, oh, you've got to read this book.
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I said, no, no, no, I'm not interested.
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But finally, one day I did.
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And after I read that book, my whole world just sort of tilted and just changed completely.
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And so from then on, I was interested in this stuff and went to that school in Berkeley.
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And as soon as I walked in the door, I thought, oh, this is what I'm going to do.
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But I didn't consider myself psychic or anything.
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I was just interested in the spirituality aspect of it.
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So I did go through that school and graduated.
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They asked me to teach there.
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And then we went on vacation for a couple of weeks, came back.
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I didn't have a mailbox.
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So what that meant was I was getting kicked out.
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So I got kicked out, even though they asked me to teach.
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And so what I was going to do.
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So I had to start teaching on my own.
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So I moved back to San Francisco, started teaching on my own in my apartment in the Fillmore, which at that time wasn't a very safe space.
Incorporation and Institutional Independence
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And I was burglarized a number of times.
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My car was broken into a number of times.
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And I was accosted a number of times and had broken ribs and everything.
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So I ended up moving.
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Oh, my God.
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Tenoe Valley.
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But I started teaching there and had a few students, not very many, because at that time there was no social media, there was nothing, no internet, no nothing.
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So you got students by posting flyers on telephone poles and in bookstores and cafes, which is what I did.
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And so I had a few students
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Even though I didn't know what I was doing, I never had any training to teach.
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So I would use, I had a yellow pad and had everything written down on a yellow pad and we just read.
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And that's why I taught the first classes and then moved to Noe Valley finally.
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And then I started getting more students in Noe Valley.
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And one of the earliest students that I had over there, because at that time I was teaching the equivalent of a beginning class and a next intermediate class and so forth, two or three classes.
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And they said, look, we're coming here a lot and we need to tell our friends where we're going.
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So they said, you need a name.
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So I never thought of starting a school, actually.
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I was just going to teach classes.
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And so I thought, okay, if they want a name, that means I have to incorporate.
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So in the meantime, I'd asked a couple people to teach with me, but I cut off all friendships in Berkeley because they said I couldn't teach in San Francisco.
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San Francisco was too difficult.
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It wasn't going to work.
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You can't do it.
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And so I thought, well, if I'm going to do this, I can't talk to them anymore.
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So I cut off all the friendships and so just me and then a couple people that I'd asked to teach with me over time.
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The one person I'd known and two I hadn't known, somebody referred me to a couple people.
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And so I incorporated along with them, with two other people, we formed the Psychic Horizons and also the Church of Natural Grace.
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And so that's how we formally started, although it took several years to get the incorporation because at that time there was a lot of, you know, what they considered to be religious institutions and weren't valid.
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So it took the state of California like three years or something for us to actually incorporate.
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And so in the meantime, I was just teaching and then we finally incorporated in 81.
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Yeah.
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And then so that's how the school got started.
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And the curriculum I created at the meditation school I went to, I had written lots of things down.
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I created a two-year curriculum.
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Wow.
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So I had a curriculum.
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But I didn't know, you know, how to actually do it over time.
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I didn't realize how long it took or how short it took or anything.
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So it was all trial by error.
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And some of the poor students, you know, I was trying out a lot of things on the students, new techniques and new healing, ways of healing and all this stuff.
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And fortunately, they all got through it.
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Okay.
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You know.
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But it took 10 years.
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I was working at an investment banking company as a temp for a while, but then I worked there for 10 years doing various things until the school got off the ground enough that I could support myself.
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doing this school.
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So it took 10 years.
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After 10 years, I could work at the school full time.
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And so that's how things sort of progressed.
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We went through some major ups and downs.
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We almost didn't exist anymore because of a recession in 1989 and 90.
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And we almost went under.
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We've had several things like that happen.
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Because it's not easy to maintain an institution in San Francisco.
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And so, but we've survived all these years and it's an ongoing institution now.
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And so we'll see how it goes from now on.
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So I'm getting up there in age.
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So we'll see what happens.
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I need people like you to continue the program, you know.
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Age is just an energy, Laura.
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That's right.
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Yeah, that's such a really cool background that you have, and especially the cross-cultural influences from Iran and just kind of growing up with seminary, you know, parents who go... It's a very religious household, very religious.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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When I left home, I was 17, and I said, I'm never going to open a Bible again.
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Really?
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Yeah, because it wasn't my thing.
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I wasn't attached to being a Presbyterian.
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Oh, yeah.
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It wasn't very personal.
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So I said, no, I'm not going to do this.
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But, you know, when we incorporated, we could have become an educational institution, except that if you're an educational institution, then the state can come in and tell you what you can and can't do.
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But well, given these concepts that we're teaching, that's no good.
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So the only way to avoid that was to become a religious institution.
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So here we
Philosophy of Independence in Spiritual Teaching
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became a church because we needed to be able to do our own thing without any experience.
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And so part of that was you had to have church services, and that means I had to open the Bible.
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So I became a church and a minister, you know, in total resistance to the whole thing.
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But, you know, what you resist, you become.
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And so that's kind of what happened there.
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But, you know, we've got to create our own way of doing all that.
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So it's kind of it's really neat now.
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It's really great.
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And we all have a lot of spiritual growth of it.
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Yeah, we can attest that.
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I think Shanna and I, we are living proof of the teachings that we have gone through.
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So whatever you, all the techniques and your tools that you had to like refine throughout the years, you know, I appreciate the fact that it's not only that we practice in a meditative state, but we can also apply in our daily lives too.
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Yeah.
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And that's for me when it was a game changer, you know, because when you like you leave that meditation space, you're like, ah, you know, you're all like rainbows and unicorns.
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But when you go into, you know, the challenges of going to work and relationships, that's when it really you need those tools and techniques the most.
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So for me, that's when it really made the difference.
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That's right.
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You know, people ask me over the years, well, why is your meditation school in the middle of the city?
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Why aren't you out in the countryside somewhere, you know, where it's quiet?
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And I said, well, that's not the goal.
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You know, the goal is to be able to, for people to be able to use these tools and not only in their everyday lives, but in the middle of their everyday lives.
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So, and now we're located on Valencia street, which is, you know, is a very busy street in San Francisco.
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And so, yeah,
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I feel like if somebody wanted to go and meditate in the middle of Valencia Street, you could take your chair out there, sit in the middle of the street, and not be bothered by what's going on around because you know how to be in your own space, you know how to have boundaries, you know how to be grounded, so that no matter what, you can take these tools and use them in your everyday life because that's what we want.
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That's what we want you to do is to use them.
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And to, you know, create with it your own life, not, you know, have somebody tell you how to do it, but use the information for yourself.
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And so we
Personal Transformations and Gratitude
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don't want to be anybody's teacher for their life.
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We just want to be somebody's teacher temporarily.
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And then you can take it and use it for yourself.
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Absolutely.
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Yes.
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But I'm curious, Laura.
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So in your psychic journey, as you went through this other school in Berkeley, when did you realize that you had psychic abilities?
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Because you mentioned that as you went in, you were just like, just kind of, let's just see where this goes.
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When was that moment that you like, you realize, oh, wait a minute, I think I'm psychic.
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There's no moment.
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because I never felt that way.
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I felt like over time, I was called to this or something.
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It was just like an obsession.
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I didn't feel like I had much of a choice.
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I just needed to do this.
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But I never felt I was really psychic.
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I realized I was a good teacher.
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And so I could teach the concepts in a way that people could understand them and use them and all that.
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But in truth of being psychic,
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You know, I never really felt that way.
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You know, I didn't even want to do readings when I started teaching.
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But I realized that if I didn't do readings, I was losing kind of the knack of what I needed to be doing that I was also teaching, because I was also teaching people how to read.
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So I felt like, okay, I need to do this also.
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So I began having my own reading practice in addition in order to...
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feel that I was current you know with my energy space and everything and so I've become a good reader but I never felt I was a great psychic I'm a pretty good teacher and the readings are pretty good now at this point because I've been doing it a long time but never felt I was this great psychic I feel like a lot of the students are better psychics than I am
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So, but that, but to me, that's a great thing because if you can attract people who are even better than you are, then that's great.
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You know, so that's kind of how I feel about it.
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I love that.
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I think people, yeah.
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Go ahead, Tanya.
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Oh, no, you go, you go ahead.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So as you went through this journey, how did people around you, how did they react to you, you know, becoming more spiritual and then therefore opening the school?
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Well, my parents, you know, I didn't tell them a whole lot initially.
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and but they knew what i was doing and i'll explain a little bit to them and one time they actually came and sat in some of the classes this is way in the beginning um they didn't quite get it but that was okay you know because they were you know more traditionally religiously oriented but you know over time they became more and more liberal in their in their um perspective
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And so they had some understanding, but they were never negative about it or anything or invalidating or anything like that.
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So they're actually pretty supportive in their own way.
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But in terms of other people, you know, when we started out, there's hardly anybody doing spiritual work, psychic work.
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And so, you know, if you ride the bus in San Francisco and you saw somebody reading a spiritual book, you'd go up to them and have this very excited conversation.
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And not only that, it wasn't welcoming for us to be even advertising.
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So, like, we didn't put a sign up outside of our school for a long time, for a number of years, because we'd get a lot of energy thrown at us.
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And so all of our students came through referral.
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You know, we would do a couple ads once in a while in the Bay Guardian, you know, which no longer exists, but at the time it was, you know, alternative newspaper and things like that.
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But, but other than that, it was just through mostly word of mouth.
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And so, yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's when you know it's working.
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Like, that's when you know, like, the right people or the, you know, there's no right or wrong person, but the people who, I felt very at home as soon as I walked into the school.
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Like, I was so ungrounded.
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I don't even know if you remember that, but like,
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I was so ungrounded and just very head in the clouds.
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And I was like, Ooh, I want to get my aura read.
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And like Zach actually read my aura, like the first healing clinic I went to.
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And, uh, I went with Lily actually, uh, we went together cause we were coworkers at the time.
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And, uh, one of my, uh,
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uh, roommates, friends, or her roommates friend, uh, her mom is a medium and she lives in Iowa.
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And so she was like, Oh, you have to go to psychic horizons.
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They're the real deal.
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Yeah.
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And I,
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And what's weird is like when I was in the program, I ended up reading that Eli.
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Her name's Eli.
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I ended up reading Eli who had originally told me about Psychic Horizons.
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And like, yeah, isn't that crazy?
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Like matching pictures.
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Like it's just like everything comes around.
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And so when you have that energy and you have that need, it's like it's literally a magnet.
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And I felt very just...
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Like, this is where I need to be.
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Kind of like how you were describing that feeling of when you were at the school in Berkeley.
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Like, yep, this is what I'm here for a reason.
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And I'm just very grateful for you for this whole thing.
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It's been life changing for me.
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Well, even the reason why we have this podcast is
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is because of the journey that we went through and just like you know developing and honing into our psychic abilities and owning that space so you in the school you are like i think one of the like the biggest part of who we are and what we do today too well seriously when you take a spiritual journey you actually uh are serious about it you know because a lot of people are dilettantes
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You know, they try this, they try that, they do a whole bunch of 10, 12, you know, 15 different things, and they say, oh, yeah, I'm getting my information, my psychic stuff, but they're really not, or my spiritual information, because you have to focus on something and delve into it in a deeper way, you know, and so if people do that,
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you know, you grow and you change a lot.
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And like our goal is to give people tools, you know, meditation healing tools so that you can use them in your everyday life and in your meditation life.
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Because meditation is really, from my perspective, the bridge between who you are as spirit and then your everyday life.
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So you've got a way to connect your spirituality and your everyday life.
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And then you can use those tools either way in either space.
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And so that's really our goal.
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And to have people get their own information, be independent spiritually, because there's a lot of, I would say most spiritual organizations have some sort of a master teacher or guru or something like that.
00:19:58
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But then that ties the person into that, to that person for a lengthy period of time, depending on how long they're in that organization.
00:20:07
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Yeah.
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But that's not our goal.
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I don't want to be anybody's guru or master teacher or anything.
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And neither does anyone on our staff, you know, because that's not where we're coming from.
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So it's a different orientation, I guess, in some places, you know, because our goal is to have people be free for themselves and to create their own, you know, information around their spirituality and how that applies to their everyday life.
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So, you know, that's really where we're coming from.
00:20:37
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Yeah, did I ever share with you, Laura, how you did call me out to actually go into the program?
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So Shannon mentioned, so I went to Psychic Horizons because Shannon recommended, you know, so we're like, oh, you know, let's go to the school, get our auras read.
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And I thought it was just like fascinating.
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Then we went to also the free intro to meditation class.
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And then Shannon, she signed up for classes right away.
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Right.
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But and I kept, but I didn't.
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back in 2015.
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And then I used to come to healing clinic every week.
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And you would always be like, Oh, hi, welcome back.
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But then there was one day you look me in the eye and you said, you should really take classes here.
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And you were like, you're so serious.
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Like, you know, when a mother comes like, you have to do this.
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And then that was like the time when I was like asking the universe, give me a sign and stuff like that.
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I'm like,
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I think this is very clear.
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What is it that I have to do?
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And I think after you said that, I'm like, okay, let me just get my reading and I come back with my wallet.
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I'm like, okay, I'm going to sign up.
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So I was like, right away.
00:21:56
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That's funny.
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I will occasionally do that with people because they keep coming back.
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You know what I'm saying?
00:22:02
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Why do we teach people how to read in the first place so they don't have to depend on anyone else?
00:22:07
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You know, so you want to learn how to read so you can see what's going on with you in your own energy space and not have to go to someone else to get that information.
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So you want to get it from yourself.
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So if somebody keeps coming over and over and over, say, okay, it's time.
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You know, it's time to get your own energy.
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That was me.
Spiritual Training and Personal Growth
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That was me.
00:22:29
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I think I went once and I was like, yep, I'm going to do this.
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When Zach read me, I was like, I need to learn how to do this.
00:22:36
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This is literally the best thing I've ever discovered.
00:22:39
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It's almost like I don't remember who I was before the program.
00:22:43
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It's really kind of, I mean, I do, and I am the same person, but I feel like I've done the program kind of
00:22:51
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it almost forces you to just look at the things that you don't want to look at.
00:22:55
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But in a very, sometimes it's like, you know, the kick in the butt that you need and like the call out that you need to face a lot of the stuff that you've been avoiding.
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And for me, I can, I can be an avoidant person when it comes to my shadow work and like things that I'm like, you know,
00:23:14
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Avoiding.
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Like, I know it's happening, but I'm going to just act like it's not.
00:23:18
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And so a lot of the work that we did and that we do at Psychic Horizons is it's showing a mirror to and it's every every person that I read.
00:23:30
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It was like, oh, I needed to read this person so that I can get that information for myself and discover like this is something that I need to heal.
00:23:39
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I need to release this information.
00:23:41
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It's not even my own information.
00:23:42
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Whatever came up every week in class, in the readings, in the healing clinic,
00:23:48
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And it just it just creates more space for for for what's happening now, what needs to happen now.
00:23:54
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And I think it was it's literally I keep to everyone who I talked about it who wants to listen, you know, because I'm not one to like project my space.
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spiritual beliefs on other people.
00:24:04
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I try to create space for myself and create space for others in that moment.
00:24:08
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But if anyone, you know, for anyone who actually wants to talk about this, like I can't even explain like how, how this program has literally changed my life and it forced me to be in my body and it, from there, it's just like shifted.
00:24:21
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Boom, boom, boom.
00:24:22
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And yeah, I'm, I'm actually going to go back and start the teacher and training.
00:24:26
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So not to call out my own stuff, but I'm very excited about that.
00:24:30
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She came back.
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I knew it.
00:24:33
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Lily is a teacher now too.
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I am a teacher.
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And the most interesting thing is that I would never imagine.
00:24:40
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I just went in just like, okay, let's just see where this goes.
00:24:44
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And I just went from one class to the next and look where we are today.
00:24:49
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But just to kind of just touch back into the basics, Lauren, I know we've been going back and forth about in regards like the things that we went through, but if you could just like explain to the listeners, what
00:25:02
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You know, what classes do we offer and what other events that we offer at the school?
00:25:10
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Well, I'll just talk about some of the principles, you know, because most people, especially these days with all the social media and all the distractions and everything, you know, most people's focus is in a whole bunch of different places at one time, right?
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So you're scattered, your attention is scattered.
00:25:29
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But, you know, your attention is how you create your life.
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So if your attention is scattered, then how you're creating your life is scattered.
Key Principles of Meditation at Psychic Horizons
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And so...
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One of the main principles is to teach you how to teach anyone how to focus your attention in one place.
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But it's a place without any judgment.
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So it's neutrality.
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So you're not judging yourself or judging somebody else.
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Because if you're in judgment all the time, you're creating from judgment.
00:25:55
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Right.
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And so that changes your perspective.
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If everything's, you know, everything's you're judging everything.
00:26:03
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So one main principle is to learn how to stay focused in one space so that you're in charge of your thoughts.
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You're in charge of where you go with your thoughts.
00:26:14
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So that, for example, if your thoughts are always constantly going to being worried, then that worry creates more worry, right?
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And it creates stress in your life.
00:26:24
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Yeah.
00:26:25
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So let's learn how to be focused and then how to be grounded.
00:26:29
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So what does that mean?
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It means how do you as spirit get into your body so that you are with yourself?
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You're present.
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You're aware.
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You've got consciousness so that you're not spaced out all the time.
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If you're spaced out, then how can you really be in your life?
00:26:47
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And so those are the other main principle is grounding.
00:26:50
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I mean, excuse me, boundaries.
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How do you have boundaries?
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Because, you know, let's say you're you know, your friend is getting a divorce.
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And so you get all involved in the divorce and you take on this person's energy in your space.
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So then you get all stressed out because your friend's having a divorce.
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you know, or there's something going on at work and there's a lot of things going on at work and people are, you know, upset about something or they're unhappy.
00:27:15
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So then you take all that energy into your own space and then you become upset and you become unhappy.
00:27:19
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So then you've got three things.
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You've got your friend's divorce, you've got all this stuff from work, you know, the unhappiness.
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And then you've got a family member.
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And so something is going on with the family member.
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And so you merge with them and you take on their energy.
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And then there's all this stuff in the outside world.
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You know, there's politics and there's Ukraine and there's... And then you take in all that energy.
00:27:39
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You worry about inflation.
00:27:40
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You take in all that stuff.
00:27:42
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Imagine how crowded your energy gets, right?
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It's not even yours.
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It's all this other stuff.
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So how can you not be stressful if you've got all this stuff in your space?
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You're going to be stressed out.
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So you need to have boundaries in how to clean out your energy space so that you're coming from who you are, not from all this other stuff in your space that's not even yours.
00:28:03
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So we teach all that stuff in the very beginning class, step one.
00:28:08
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Wow, all of that.
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And more.
00:28:11
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And more.
00:28:16
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Meditation, of course, is all done in meditation.
00:28:19
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So you learn how to bring in energy from the earth, which is your physical body, your physical self, and energy from the cosmos, which is your spiritual self.
00:28:27
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So how do you integrate your spiritual self and your physical self?
00:28:31
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This is one of the ways you do it.
00:28:33
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is through this meditation practice and so until you learn all this stuff in the very beginning class i've i taught this very beginning class for like 40 years or maybe more i don't know but i love it because people go through so many changes in that one class you know because if you all of a sudden get centered and grounded you have boundaries wow that's and you can clean out your energy space that's a huge change huge change
00:29:00
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And then you learn how to release emotional charge off your pastime memories, experiences, so you don't keep recreating based on the past.
00:29:10
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Because you create according to the predominant energy in your space.
00:29:14
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So let's clean that out so you get more present.
00:29:17
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You're not creating based on what happened in the past.
00:29:20
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So all that stuff you learn in this step one class.
00:29:22
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So it's a great place to begin.
00:29:26
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And not only that, there's this free intro class.
00:29:29
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Yeah.
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And this free intro class every Tuesday night, 730.
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You learn how to get centered and grounded and release something you don't want.
00:29:38
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So right there, you've got a lot of stuff you can use the rest of your life, even if you didn't take any other class.
00:29:45
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But if you take a step one class, you learn everything I just talked about.
00:29:51
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And then the classes, you know, after that, you can learn more and more tools and healing techniques.
00:29:58
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And then people can go into the Clairvoyant training program for if you want to get really more immersed in all of this, which is a lot of what you all are talking about because it's life-changing.
00:30:08
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And because there's so much work to be done internally and everything that happens on the inside is reflected on the outside.
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And that's why meditation is so powerful because, you know, if you make a change inside, you're going to manifest that in your everyday life outside.
00:30:25
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It doesn't go from the outside and it always goes from the inside out.
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And so that's why meditation is so powerful because it always goes inside out.
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And so you meditate, you heal yourself, you clean things out, you release things that are no longer in present time for you.
00:30:41
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And guess what?
00:30:42
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That manifests on the outside, whether it's relationship issues, money issues, work issues, whatever it is, health issues, it's all going to work that way.
00:30:53
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And so that's why we work with your spiritual information, your spiritual principles, and whatever experiences you've had in your life, your past time experiences, even past life experiences, which are affecting you now.
00:31:04
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And so you get to work with all that and get more present.
00:31:08
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And of course, that is reflected in what's going on with you.
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And so you're no longer stressed out by your family's divorce.
00:31:15
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You're no longer stressed out by whatever's happening at work.
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And I'm teaching this class coming up called How to Live a Stress-Free Life.
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Perfect timing.
00:31:25
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Some of the principles, you know, where you can lead a stress-free life.
00:31:30
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And so it's really exciting because it actually works.
00:31:35
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So we call this meditation that benefits your everyday life.
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And it's really true.
Adapting Classes and Inclusivity During COVID
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It really is.
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It is.
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I don't even know how I would go through my life and my issues without the tools.
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I'm always like, oh, my God, imagine if I didn't have the tools and the techniques, where would I be?
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lots of issues in their lives.
00:31:56
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So, yeah.
00:32:03
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And so I feel like we've had such a great conversation with you today, Laura.
00:32:07
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Thank you so much again for, for being, you know, willing to come on and share your story because, uh,
00:32:14
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through this whole process of us starting this podcast, it's been a very healing experience, at least for me in my fifth chakra.
00:32:20
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And, and when you are psychic and when you do have, or at least a teacher of, of psychic, you know, frameworks and practices, it can be a very cherished thing.
00:32:31
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So we really appreciate you being willing to share your story, your background, your experiences, and how you got started and how you started Psychic Horizons.
00:32:39
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And,
00:32:40
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you know, just we're so grateful that you literally, it pays it forward, you know, that phrase of paying it forward, like the school, you have paid it forward to so many people.
00:32:50
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And then therefore we're all paying it forward to how we interact with people from the tools that we've gotten and learned at Psychic Horizons.
00:32:59
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And I just couldn't be more grateful for, for everything that you've done.
00:33:04
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You're welcome.
00:33:04
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And you know, we, we as teachers, we,
00:33:07
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learn have to do it this practice ourselves right because we couldn't teach what we're not doing and so we are growing as as a staff all the teachers you know grow themselves and so it's very rewarding for us you know also and so it's been it's been a very interesting journey i have to say
00:33:25
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So it's not over yet.
00:33:28
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Yeah, it's not over yet.
00:33:29
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Like so many more years to come.
00:33:31
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And yeah, where so what's what's happening currently?
00:33:35
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We'll kind of wrap up with this question of what's happening currently at Psychic Horizons and and kind of, you know, in the near and we try not to go into to future time here, but in the near future.
00:33:46
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Well, we start our classes every couple months, you know, and then Lily, of course, teaches a free intro class that happens every week.
00:33:53
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We've got healing clinics every week.
00:33:55
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We have readings every week, all different kinds.
00:33:58
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And because of COVID, we've been on Zoom for three years.
00:34:03
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Boy, it's been a long time.
00:34:04
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And now we're looking at, you know, how to open up a little bit more so people can come in, you know, a little bit more.
00:34:10
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And so we're looking at that.
00:34:12
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And we're having our fundraiser drive right now, which we have annually, which is always fun.
00:34:17
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We have a great time, you know, get together, whether it's in person or Zoom, we always have a great time.
00:34:24
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And we have church services once a month, you know, they're spiritually oriented, not to preach at anybody, but to allow you to get your own information about your own spiritual growth.
00:34:33
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Mm-hmm.
00:34:34
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And so it's all, everything's based on that.
00:34:36
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So we have lots of things going.
00:34:38
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We've got seven-week classes.
00:34:39
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We have a clairvoyant training program, all these, everything else I've been telling you about.
00:34:44
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We have graduate classes for people who finish clairvoyant training.
00:34:47
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We have teacher and training program, apprenticeship program.
00:34:50
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So a lot of stuff going on, you know, for any level.
00:34:53
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Somebody can come to one class and maybe that's it.
00:34:55
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That's all they do.
00:34:56
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Some people come to three classes and that's all they do.
00:34:59
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Some people come to three classes and take what we call a focus class, a post foundation class so that they can keep their tools going and everything.
00:35:10
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And then some people go and do clear-wind training.
00:35:12
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So it's all kind of levels.
00:35:14
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It's something for everybody.
00:35:15
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And that's how we like it.
00:35:17
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So you can go to whatever level you want.
00:35:20
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yeah where can we find you on social media or the website our website is psychic horizons.com and we have social we have a facebook page uh psychic horizons sf and dot com i think it is or psychic horizons sf on facebook and then we've got an instagram what's our instagram
00:35:41
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like psychic horizons by the way i help with social media so instagrams on at psychic horizons on facebook we have our psychic horizons page and we also have a group page so it's psychic horizon san francisco and we have a youtube channel too youtube channel we got a google page
00:36:05
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And, you know, I guess that's about it.
00:36:08
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We've never done a lot of social media until more recently.
00:36:11
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Yeah.
00:36:14
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Lily's really contributing to that.
00:36:16
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Thank you very much.
00:36:17
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Of course.
00:36:18
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I love it.
00:36:19
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I think the more people know, the better.
00:36:22
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I agree.
00:36:23
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And the interesting thing is we've got a lot of international students.
00:36:27
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Now we've got students from Dubai, interestingly enough.
00:36:30
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There are a lot of people interested in Dubai with spiritual work.
00:36:34
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We have people, and one of our teachers is from Dubai.
00:36:38
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And we have some graduates from Dubai and current students.
00:36:41
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And then we have somebody from Turkey.
00:36:42
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And we've had graduates from Australia and Italy and all over the U.S., Canada, Toronto, Canada.
00:36:51
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and different places.
00:36:52
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So it's really exciting to have all these international flavors.
00:36:56
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It's really kind of neat.
00:36:57
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So, yeah.
00:36:59
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That's amazing.
00:37:01
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We have Jews, we have atheists, we've got, you know, everything.
00:37:04
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Everyone is welcome.
00:37:06
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Everyone is welcome.
00:37:07
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And, you know, everything's based on neutrality.
00:37:11
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There's no judgment of whoever comes in, where they're at.
00:37:13
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So it makes it a really welcoming place because nobody's
00:37:19
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judging you when you come, you know, you can just be who you are.
00:37:23
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And that's, you know, that's the self-acceptance thing, the self-acceptance and acceptance of others is very important.
00:37:30
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Yeah.
00:37:30
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I, I'm, I'm big into psych safety, especially like in the workplace or just any
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environment I'm in.
00:37:35
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And like, it just was very apparent, like this is such a safe space.
00:37:40
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Yeah.
00:37:41
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Yeah.
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So whether it's online or in person, and we hope to do more in person.
00:37:46
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So we'll see what happens.
00:37:48
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So that's exciting.
00:37:49
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Yeah.
00:37:51
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Well, thank you so much, Laura.
00:37:52
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We really appreciate it.
00:37:54
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And Lily, do you have any final thoughts?
00:37:57
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No, I'm just so grateful that we are sharing and co-creating the space, but do follow Psychic Horizons on social media and do send us a message or any comments on our podcast page, Instagram page.
00:38:16
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And we hope to see you on our next episode.
00:38:20
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Thank you so much.
00:38:22
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And your webpage, by the way, looks great.
00:38:25
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Oh, thank you.
00:38:26
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Thank you.
00:38:27
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Nice.
00:38:28
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So everybody look at their webpage.
00:38:30
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It looks really nice.
00:38:30
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And two of you look gorgeous.
00:38:32
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Oh, thank you.
00:38:33
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Thank you.
00:38:34
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That's so sweet.
00:38:35
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We appreciate you two.
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Okay.
00:38:39
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All right.
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Thank you so much.
00:38:40
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And thanks for the psychic girls next door.