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Episode 44: Chakra Series: Second Chakra: Understanding Emotions and Embracing Vulnerability
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The second chakra is located in your abdomen, just below your belly button. In this episode, Lili and Shannon delve into the profound and transformative realm of the second chakra, also known as the sacral chakra. They share personal experiences, insightful discussions, and practical techniques for navigating triggers, understanding emotions, and embracing vulnerability.
Lili and Shannon open up about their own journeys in overcoming shame, societal programming, and finding balance in the realms of sensuality, creativity, and emotional well-being. They touch upon the impact of societal norms, childhood conditioning, and individual experiences that shape our relationship with nudity and vulnerability. Shannon shares her personal story of nudity and the insights it provided her about herself.
Additionally, they explore how energy and emotions manifest in the body, emphasizing the importance of mindfulness, meditation, and self-compassion in navigating challenging emotions and triggers.
Key Talking Points of the Episode:
[00:58] Importance of the sacral chakra in emotional manifestation.
[05:05] Recognizing and managing others' emotions unconsciously.
[07:06] Repressing emotions due to family conditioning and judgment.
[11:23] Recognizing emotions and relating to others.
[20:49] Fear of toxic, unfulfilling relationships, and absent parental influence.
[25:46] Second chakra, emotions, and sensuality.
[28:24] Shannon’s experience at Harbin Hot Springs.
[33:53] Lili’s experience at Harbin.
Quotes:
“If your second chakra is fully open, you're going to feel the emotions and the energy of everyone.”
“The more you get to know yourself, the better you're able to identify it, and then decide how you want to respond to it.”
Note: This podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only.
Resources:
School for Meditation and Healing
Harbin Hot Springs
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Transcript
Introduction to Spirituality and Chakra Series
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Welcome to Psychic Girls Next Door.
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We are your hosts, Lily Hiberino and Shannon Miller.
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This podcast is for all spirituality enthusiasts and psychics next door to share tools, experiences and spiritual practices that align with your highest vibrational self.
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And in this episode, we're going to continue on our chakra series.
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So we're going to be exploring the second chakra.
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You know, if you haven't checked out the first one, that one, it's available.
Understanding the Sacral Chakra
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And so we're going to be diving in.
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all the fun stuff oh yeah all the second chakra and all the feels that go along with it too so the second chakra it often referred to is as the sacral chakra because that's kind of where it sits or what what is it in some screen i don't know if i said that right you know that's we'll go with it
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Probably pronounced it better than I could.
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So it is one of the seven primary energy centers in the human body, according to Hindu and yogic traditions.
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But each chakra, they are associated with specific aspects of physical, emotional and spiritual well-being.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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The second chakra for me has always been like something that just is always constant.
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Like the work that for a long time, the first chakra was a lot of my work, like how to obtain more money.
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But the amount of like emotions that go into that, that kind of potentially clogged
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you from manifesting what you want to manifest based on like your limiting beliefs or whatever you're dealing with.
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And the narratives that exist in your second chakra can surprise you for sure.
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But the sacral chakra, it's located in your lower abdomen, just above or just below your belly button, essentially.
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And it's
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I associate it with like inner self, emotions, creativity, the color associated.
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If you're into like, you know, all the chakras have a specific color assigned to them.
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It's orange.
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And it's believed that focusing on the color orange can help balance and activate the chakra.
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The element is water.
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Makes sense because of crying, you know, the tears, emotions, emotions.
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And it represents water in general represents fluidity, emotions and flow of energy.
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So I think that this is going to be a really fun episode to talk about.
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Yeah, which has a lot to do with your emotional state.
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And this is how we communicate with the world, like through our emotions and our feelings.
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It's, you know, like when you feel it, like in your, like down in the pit of your stomach.
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Oh yeah.
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Like that gut feeling.
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Yeah.
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If the vibes are off, they're on.
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The butterflies.
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In your stomach, that's your second chakra getting activated.
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So and it's also related to your body communication.
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Yeah.
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That's how, you know, through your emotions and your feelings, that's how you or your body is communicating through
Balancing the Sacral Chakra: Emotional and Creative Blocks
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it.
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Yeah.
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And your creativity also is associated with the second chakra.
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So for me, I am still, you know, cracking the whip for myself to write this book.
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I've started building like more characters and on all of that.
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But I realized like...
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When I feel blocked in my second, the creativity is not flowing.
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Like, if I'm not flowing, then it's not going to flow.
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And depending on what you're trying to achieve or...
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where you feel blocked, especially in the second chakra, a lot of things are connected and correlated to the second chakra.
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So if you're showing up in a bad mood, you are going to
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not only attract situations that match that energy or match whatever is happening, but if your second chakra is fully open, you're going to feel the emotions and the energy of everyone.
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So it's super important to think of it like a camera lens, like, you know, being able to open and shut and close, like be when you feel like you are fully feeling everything.
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And sometimes I do this work,
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you know, subconsciously where I keep it open because that's my strongest, you know, sense, I guess, of all the psychic senses, like being able to feel what the vibes are in the room.
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Clairsentience.
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Yes, clairsentience.
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Like being able to know how people are feeling and feel how people are feeling.
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For me, I want to be able to see how people are feeling and kind of tapping in using more of my sixth and my seventh, my knowingness in my sight of like, I can just look at their energy and, you know, oh, I know that they're feeling sad.
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I see that they're feeling sad.
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Rather than like looking at them and feeling their how they're feeling, because sometimes I'll come home from like if it's a chaotic day at work or maybe there was a lot of drama, you know, in like a friend dynamic or something happens out and about.
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if my second chakra is open and I might not even be in my body enough to really know that it's been fully open, I will realize
Emotional Repression and Expression
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like, oh, I don't feel this way at all.
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This, these are not my own feelings.
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These are someone else's feelings.
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And then I don't care at all about the situation or the drama or whatever happened.
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Like, but it can come sometimes like
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confuse me personally when my second trucker is is wide open and I'm feeling really emotional about something or situation which for me isn't always my natural I feel like I'm kind of analytical with my emotions most of the time and like
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I can be like, no, it's going to be okay.
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It's not the end of the world.
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Like kind of talk myself off the ledge, so to speak.
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And like be like, no, that's like kind of logically apply like rationality to my emotions.
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And so I have to realize like, oh, these aren't even mine at all.
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My second track is wide open.
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So being able to shut that down is going to help in situations.
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If you're feeling like you relate to whatever I just said, like,
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intentionally shut down that second chakra and close that lens so that you can protect your peace and your own emotions from getting entangled with other people.
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Yeah, well, I feel that a lot of people, they are empathic.
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or they're more like sensitive to energy, they do connect with others a lot through their second chakra.
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And as you're mentioning, having your second chakra a little bit more open, or some people say like it's overactive or imbalanced, whatever language people want to use it, or like more open.
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Or people might go on the other spectrum of having their second chakra really very closed and shut down.
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And that was me.
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throughout my whole life until recently where I my default is just to shut down my emotions because I've learned to repress it from a young age I come from a family that you know this has been passed on through generations that you just don't express emotions so there's a lot of
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Limiting beliefs, conditioning programming associated with expressing emotions.
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When I, growing up, I was made fun of because I was expressing what I was feeling.
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So there was a lot of judgment around like, oh, like you're so weak.
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Oh, that's not fun.
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You're so dumb.
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Like, what?
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Why are you crying?
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So there was a lot of that invalidation, punishment energy around expressing my emotions.
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So for me, my default has always been just to numb myself emotionally and not like fully express what I was feeling or what was like really going on here.
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So you just put on like on this mask that everything's fine.
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And you kind of just like, you're not like a priority and you end up a lot of people pleasing.
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That's what happens.
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But as I went through all this healing work and I've learned that, I mean, emotions, they're just like body messages.
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It's just like telling you where to look at a little deeper.
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And there's nothing wrong with emotions.
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I say that emotions, it's energy in motion.
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That's how I see it.
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I like that.
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So if you're feeling anger and you know, like how people sometimes will also label emotions that like negative or positive.
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Right.
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For me, energies I see as neutral.
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Yeah.
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I don't label as such because I think every emotion is valid.
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It's more about like how you react.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Or respond to whatever emotion that is coming up.
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So for me, my work, it was about like expressing myself in a way that felt safe and that I felt authentic.
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So I remember years ago, I was going through a very depressive state.
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Yeah.
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And I never would tell anyone about it, but I was like so rock bottom.
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And I remember this friend of mine, she would always keep asking me, oh, let's go out.
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And I would say, no, no, no, because I didn't want to.
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And I remember one day we did go out and we sat down and I told her how I was feeling.
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And like right there and then it felt so liberating just to be able to say like, this is how I'm feeling.
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And it's not great.
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It's just something that me like maybe even like a year ago from when that happened, it would never cross my mind to even express what I was feeling.
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So it was
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just like this sense of empowerment.
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just to be able to express it, but in a healthy way.
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Yeah.
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You know, just sharing with someone how it was feeling.
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And again, I don't feel like that we have to express it in a way just because I'm feeling angry.
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It doesn't like gives me the rights to like pour my anger.
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Right.
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Project it on.
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Yeah.
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Project on other people.
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I think there are very healthy ways to respond to it.
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Yeah.
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And still feel anger and,
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Let people know about it.
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Yeah.
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But in a kind and compassionate way.
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Totally.
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I like often some I'm like thinking about some of the things I get angry about.
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I get angry about like the system that we live in.
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Oh, absolutely.
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How can you not?
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There's a lot of things in the world that make me anger.
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Oh, yeah.
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Like for sure.
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I mean, and there's people like...
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you know, in our day-to-day lives too that do trigger.
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Yeah, like, I feel like with human beings, like, the people who I know and have trust with, it's more of like, oh, that really irritated me.
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It's like the spectrum of anger.
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Like, how do you define, like, the points of anger?
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It all kind of relates.
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And like,
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If I were to, I know that Inside Out 2 is coming out soon.
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And I don't know if any, if, you know, any of our listeners have seen that.
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But I think that's a great way to like, if you're not familiar, like with how to identify emotions and tap into emotions, the movie Inside Out is a great way to like.
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Oh yeah, that is such a cute movie.
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It's like a good characteristic of like how this might be expressed in you.
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It gives people a visual of what it looks like in a fun way.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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And so I, of all the emotions, I would definitely say like, I am
Sensuality, Sexuality, and Cultural Influences
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anger.
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Like I feel anger.
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Yes.
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Thank you for correcting me.
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you say you are the emotion you become yeah then you become that and that's like you don't want to have to like carry that energy with you and like become that and like have it associate with your identity which is the third chakra which the two can be heavily correlated like when you are very when you feel upset about something you
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you know realizing like oh this is a feeling like tapping into like because when you are upset about something then you are going to be upset about something like it'll be concrete and like kind of like infinite right where the language and like how you think about your emotions and how you process them like definitely tap into that and connect to
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that language, thank you for that reminder.
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Yes.
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In we as a culture, there's a lot of this, I am this and that, what are you?
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So there's always this question.
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So we do tend to identify ourselves.
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Oh, I am.
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And then you put whatever it is, like your job title, your family role, whatever it is.
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But with emotions, I try to always be mindful.
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And because when I say I am sad,
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It means I become the sadness.
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Right.
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But what you want to look at emotion is just a feeling.
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So I feel sad.
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Yeah.
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And that's the first step in either like starting to balance that chakra.
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It's just the first you just identify.
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And acknowledge it.
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Acknowledge it.
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And then label.
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Yeah.
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Label what it is I feel sad.
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I feel sadness.
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I feel frustrated.
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Yeah.
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And for me, the biggest thing was to allow myself to feel the emotion, go through it.
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Yeah.
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I would just like now what happens, say like, if I'm angry, I'll sit down and I just let myself feel the anger.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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Sensuality.
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It's also related a lot of, you know, on that side as well.
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It can be kind of it reflects on having sexual drive and sexuality also has to do with.
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Creativity, you know, it has nothing to do with the act of sex itself, but in most of the energy that is emotion of the creativity.
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So people, they are very repressed on that side that creates also like an imbalance.
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I grew up in a very Catholic upbringing where there was a lot of shaming.
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Oh, yeah.
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Like, no sex until you get married.
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Yeah, expressing your sensuality.
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But what was weird is that I grew up in a very sensual country.
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Very sexual.
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Because, like, you know, if you guys... Right, right.
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Super sensual.
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If this is your first time listening to those episodes, I am born and raised in Brazil.
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Who is the most, like, sexual place that you can think of where people... You know, that's what we're famous for.
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Right.
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About, like...
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Our bodies and being proud of it and being very sensual and just, you know, proud of, you know, this exotic beauty.
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I mean, there's a lot of beautiful people who come from Brazil.
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Yeah.
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That makes sense.
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And people are very body centric.
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Yeah.
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So it's all like really.
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So it was for me, it was like so strange to like grow up in a country that is very much sensual.
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It's a huge dichotomy.
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It's very, yeah, this polarity.
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But then do you have this, all this religious kind of like pressure.
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The shame around that.
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Shame and punishment.
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Yeah.
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That you can be, but you cannot be.
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Interesting.
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You can be sensual here, but not at home.
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In these types of dynamics and environments.
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It was like kind of like dictated.
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So growing up for me, it was very confusing.
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Yeah.
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Like, well, I want to be, but can I be?
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Right.
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So it was always like this kind of this dance of allowing myself to be a certain way or not.
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And it helped, of course, the fact that I moved away physically.
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I moved away and I moved into the U.S. where I could define for myself what it means to be a sexual
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creature.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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And like, what does it mean to like, you know, tap into your sensuality?
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Because like, you might not be sexually active, but still be super in tune with your sensuality.
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Yeah, you're comfortable with it.
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Yeah.
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You know, because it also has to relate it because creativity has a lot to do with the hands, right?
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So what do you do when you are in creativity or sensuality?
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You use a lot of your hands, right?
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Touch yourself and all of that stuff too.
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So it's kind of...
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It's all correlated.
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But it was very interesting to redefine that for myself.
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And it's, I think it's critical to to look at the way that you kind of you also express yourself.
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in that ways i mean like if do you feel shame when people talk about sex around you or if you see like a sex scene on tv like what comes up and that's it's a very interesting exercise do you want to like oh my god this is cringe or yeah or seeing someone naked right oh my gosh i'll talk about my experience you should talk about i didn't mean to put you on the spot but i'm just like yeah bringing up
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questions for you to question because it's one of the greatest things that we can do in life is just question things oh totally yeah why is this coming up for you for me why do i feel this way right if you shame or embarrassed they're looking things like this yeah so i've had like a lot of conflicts with like my perception of my own body i think a lot of it stems from my female lineage of like you know
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just perception of being in a being a woman and being in a woman's body and like shaming and shame and like also like if you're not like you know I grew up and basically if you're not skinny you won't get a man kind of like that's the root of picture and so I'm not skinny and I don't have a man and I'm like so yeah yet or well I'm also like I don't really need one
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Like, I'm kind of coming to peace with like, you know, I was I keep seeing these TikTok videos like that come up in my algorithm of like, you know, they're not just and even like someone on Love is Blind.
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Like, I love Love is Blind.
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And someone recently was like, you're not competing with other dudes.
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You're competing with me.
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Like you, like, you know, guys who are interested, you're not competing with other men.
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And, you know, for me, for me personally, you're competing with me and my time.
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Like, you know, how are you going to make my time, you know, more valuable by spending it with you?
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And I thought that was like a light bulb went off and I was like, oh my God, I love that.
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It's so empowering because it's not about, it's like not a lack mentality thing.
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It's like,
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you know i it it felt very empowering to hear that yeah well i feel that it's we don't need a partner right to you know find happiness or whatever it is for you but it's okay right one it's okay to want one like one of course i would want one yeah so
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You know, as human beings, we are wired for connection.
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Right.
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Relationships.
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Yeah.
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So it's okay to want a partner, but that's not like, oh, my life depends on having someone.
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Totally.
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Like, I would rather have...
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Like, it's not like, would you rather, but like, I like that I have mental peace.
00:20:22
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It's a choice.
00:20:23
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Yeah, it's a choice.
00:20:24
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I sleep very well at night.
00:20:26
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I don't have drama with a, you know, a baby daddy or, you know, a shitty, toxic, you know, you know, fiance or boyfriend or whatever, a partner.
00:20:37
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Like, I feel very like my cup is full.
00:20:42
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Yeah.
00:20:42
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without without having all of that and i think a lot of that is like the fear talking like you know fear fear is fear an emotion absolutely yeah yeah absolutely it's a big one it's a big one like i have a fear of being in a toxic relationship or being in an unfulfilling like not happy romantic relationship um
00:21:05
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doesn't come from my parents.
00:21:07
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They're still happy, still in love.
00:21:09
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Like, this is just me seeing a lot of women, you know, either on TikTok or here, some of my friends are not in, like, the best relationships and, like, just, you know, also dating in my 20s and, like, thank God that didn't work out.
00:21:27
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Like, a lot of these dynamics have kind of probably...
00:21:32
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forced a bubble i mean you're live with me while i'm figuring this out right now but like forced a bubble of protection around my second chakra like yeah because in a way you create this narrative right it's a tall tale yeah yeah what you this is what i don't want right and that becomes the predominant energy right and whether you're you know you're trying to manifest a really a possible relationship or a future relationship or
00:21:59
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Yeah, because you're focusing on what this is not, which is great knowing what you don't want.
00:22:05
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I'm not going to tolerate a lot.
00:22:07
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Yes.
00:22:07
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But again, if if it's other people's information, right, then it's not your information.
00:22:16
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I also know.
00:22:17
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Totally.
00:22:17
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So I think it's and again, in fear, it's a it's a and then a lot of people act out of fear.
00:22:23
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Oh, totally.
00:22:24
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Or they don't act at all.
00:22:26
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Yeah, exactly.
Emotions and Physical Health Connection
00:22:27
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It goes either way.
00:22:29
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So if you see the world and in a situation nowadays, it's being driven by fear.
00:22:35
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Right.
00:22:35
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It's imposed by the energy of fear.
00:22:38
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Yeah.
00:22:38
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And and people, they don't react out of fear.
00:22:42
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Right.
00:22:43
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I purposely don't react.
00:22:45
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And this is what keeps a lot of people from not pursuing things in life because of the fear, fear of failure, fear of rejection, fear of a lot of fears, all fears of abandonment or whatever it is.
00:22:59
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Right.
00:23:00
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Yeah.
00:23:01
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It's important just to recognize because what emotions, what they do is just to point you, where do you need to put
00:23:13
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more attention to so fear to me tells a story of what do you feel powerless so the work is looking at how do you make yourself more empowered yeah like in my case i'm feeling anxious lately yeah anxiety has been a big thing i think the whole world can probably match with this energy at some level that's relatable yeah
00:23:36
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With anxiety.
00:23:37
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So every time I feel anxious, I ask myself, well, what is it trying to tell me?
00:23:44
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Where does anxiety is trying to communicate with me?
00:23:47
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It's because is it a fear of the future?
00:23:49
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Is it fear of being out of control?
00:23:52
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So it's trying to tell me something.
00:23:53
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Yeah.
00:23:54
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And instead of dwelling in this emotion, it's just trying to find a why behind it.
00:24:00
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Like the anger, it also tells you a story too.
00:24:03
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Well, where do you feel, whether it be powerless, where do you feel like you're not worthy and things like that.
00:24:12
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So it's always kind of like looking at...
00:24:15
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the other side of it right right it's it's giving you information like as neutrally as possible even it might not feel neutral when it happens it's giving you information so that you can figure out what is the source of whatever you're feeling yeah and it's really interesting like a psychics uh when i look at people's energy uh in their body and this energy sits like in different body parts right like it can show up as like a color
00:24:46
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it show up as a picture or it might show up like whatever it is like that the person that I need to see it at that moment you know a lot of times it does show up as emotions like and it's like spot on when you see like someone that has a lot of anger like say their digestive systems and I will often say I mean do you have problems with your liver?
00:25:13
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Mm-hmm
00:25:14
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Because that's where anger gets stored.
00:25:17
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So it's important.
00:25:18
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So as people that work with energy, understanding that whatever people have health issues in their body, to me, it's a big indicator of where people are holding or repressing.
00:25:33
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Yeah, certain emotions or feelings.
00:25:36
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If you have, let's say more, I'm going to focus more on the second chakra.
Practical Tips for Chakra Balance
00:25:40
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People with, if you have digestive issues, maybe you have like a very problems with your hip area.
00:25:50
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um around like your sexual organs all of that area you have indigestion and things like that that's a good indicator on a physical level that there is to look deeper and that is probably related to your second chakra so related how you're expressing you're not expressing your emotions or your sensuality sexuality paying attention how the body is communicating yeah
00:26:16
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And then what I love about the body is just like this such a high intelligence, intuitive vessel that is constantly giving us feedback.
00:26:27
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So the second chakra, that's what it is.
00:26:29
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I always say it's kind of like that little, you know, when nowadays everything's like an app.
00:26:34
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So it's kind of like the little app that is like telling you, hey, pop.
00:26:38
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notification this is where you need to look at it yeah no that's so relatable and very true so that's kind of what it does so in the best way in order and again we also want to empower you with uh ideas on how to balance you know the second chakra to the first is just uh mindfulness whether it be through meditation yoga journaling because the more you get to know yourself
00:27:06
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And just, you know, recognize feelings, what comes up, what do you got triggered?
00:27:13
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What triggered you?
00:27:14
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Yeah.
00:27:15
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The more you get to know yourself, the better you're able to identify
Personal Journeys: Comfort and Nudity
00:27:20
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it.
00:27:20
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And then how do you want to respond to it?
00:27:23
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Yeah.
00:27:23
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Like, I'll give you the example.
00:27:25
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I like we started talking about my naked story.
00:27:28
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Oh, yeah.
00:27:29
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Please do share if you feel comfortable.
00:27:30
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I feel comfortable.
00:27:32
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So I like most of the time I identify as like a never nude, like, you know, like Tobias Fionke from Arrested Development.
00:27:38
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Like he's like wearing, you know, jorts in the shower because he's like a never nude.
00:27:43
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Yeah.
00:28:05
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The more conservative.
00:28:06
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Yeah.
00:28:07
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Energetically.
00:28:09
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Like, yeah.
00:28:09
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My mom grew up Irish Catholic.
00:28:11
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Like, you know, that's kind of the root of like, I feel like the mom set the tone of the house, like internally.
00:28:19
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And for me, I just, I like wearing, I love wearing clothes.
00:28:23
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Like, and I genuinely, that is my own information.
00:28:26
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Like I have thought a lot about this after my experience.
00:28:29
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I went to Harbin Hot Springs and it's beautiful.
00:28:32
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I went like the end of December of just a couple months ago.
00:28:35
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And it was a couple of our meditation school friends and they were all naked.
00:28:40
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Yeah, just, you know, if you're not familiar with Harbit, clothing is optional.
00:28:46
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Oh, and they really embrace that.
00:28:47
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Yes.
00:28:48
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I did not realize that.
00:28:49
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You know, so you have to be comfortable with seeing people that are naked.
00:28:55
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And some people, it doesn't necessarily mean you have to be naked, but...
00:28:59
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You don't have to be naked.
00:29:00
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But I was one of like five people that had a swimsuit on and I felt like the naked one.
00:29:06
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You felt like the outsider.
00:29:07
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I felt like the weird person there.
00:29:11
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And I had so I didn't realize how triggered I would get.
00:29:15
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Like I I'm fine around like women.
00:29:18
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be like I don't care at all because I am a woman like I don't like being it I feel like if it was at a women's spa like it would have been I would not have been triggered like I still would have been in a swimsuit but like I would not have been triggered by like the environment I think because I've thought a lot about this and processed it basically there's all these like small pools where realistically you should have like maybe five to six people they were fitting like nine
00:29:46
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people like body to body in these little hot tub pools.
00:29:51
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And then they have like a beautiful regular pool, but because it was cold, like, you know, everyone was in these hot tubs and it was mostly men.
00:30:00
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Like, and there were probably like 40 people who were there, like some couples, like, but I would say 70% of the people who were there were men.
00:30:09
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And for me, I am... I've been avoiding dating for years.
00:30:13
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I haven't been naked with a man for years.
00:30:16
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Like, you know... So you got triggered in a lot of different ways.
00:30:19
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I got very triggered by a lot of different things.
00:30:20
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And then you also, like... I'm like, where do I look?
00:30:23
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I can't look at anybody.
00:30:25
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Like, I literally had to...
00:30:28
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I changed so that you could undress in like this open area, but it's pretty open.
00:30:34
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Like you're out in nature.
00:30:35
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Oh yeah.
00:30:35
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Yeah.
00:30:36
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And then the downstairs, like you have to like walk upstairs to like go to the pools and stuff, but there's this downstairs changing area.
00:30:43
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And I was like, Oh, I thought it was going to be like a locker room situation where you just drive it.
00:30:48
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Yeah.
00:30:49
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Where it's private.
00:30:49
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You can just like change into a towel and like, it's not that big of a deal.
00:30:53
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And no, no, no.
00:30:54
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This was like, you know, it's a scrappy, you know, kind of,
00:30:58
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Like very minimalist, like bring your own tower, BYOB essentially kind of thing.
00:31:04
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And, you know, I was like very triggered by the whole experience because, and I didn't think I would be.
00:31:11
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I was like, yeah, I don't mind people being naked.
00:31:13
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But then I realized proximity.
00:31:16
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I don't mind people being naked at a nude beach where they're like very far away from me.
00:31:20
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They're not smack dab next to me.
00:31:22
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And I realized like it was the proximity that triggered me the most of like having to be in a very small pool with like a lot of naked men around me.
00:31:33
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Like, and as a woman, I was like, I know this is like, they're not going, nothing bad is going to happen.
00:31:39
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Like,
00:31:40
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but it made you uncomfortable but it made me so uncomfortable and i couldn't make eye contact i wore my sunglasses the whole time like and then i took them off when i was like having a conversation with like a few women i feel very safe around women i don't feel safe around men so that was like one very good information so there is good information to kind of look at it yeah and i was like it was like sitting in ball soup essentially like
00:32:03
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I know that's gross.
00:32:06
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I feel that type of experience, especially living in a society where there's a lot of this.
00:32:13
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And I feel it comes a lot from religious energy.
00:32:17
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Oh, it has to be like the punishing programming from my childhood growing up Catholic.
00:32:23
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Yeah.
00:32:23
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People like they have to cover their bodies.
00:32:26
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Yeah.
00:32:26
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Bodies have to look a certain way.
00:32:27
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So there's all this like prude sort of energy that still I think it permeates the society as a whole.
00:32:33
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Like, you know, how you see those celebrities walking on the red carpet where the women are wearing like very sheer tops where they're exposing their nipples.
00:32:44
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So that doesn't bother me at all.
00:32:45
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Yeah.
00:32:46
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So, but there's a lot of backlash that comes with that and people not feeling comfortable seeing women's breasts.
00:32:52
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Yeah.
00:32:52
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I don't care.
00:32:53
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I think if you have beautiful breasts... Why not?
00:32:56
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If I had it, you bet I'll be wearing a sheer top.
00:33:00
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But not the case.
00:33:01
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So I'm going to spare you guys.
00:33:03
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Totally.
00:33:04
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I'm someone who needs a bra.
00:33:06
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Yeah.
00:33:07
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Like, I need a bra.
00:33:08
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Yeah, so...
00:33:08
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Any eyesore, you don't need to see me in that sense.
00:33:11
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But if you're, you know, you're confident in it, God, my God, like show it off.
00:33:16
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But there is also, you see people that support that, but you also can see like how people really like there's this...
00:33:23
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backlash of shaming and, you know, that how things are kind of, you have to cover your body.
00:33:30
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Right.
00:33:30
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So we do grow up in this society where if seeing someone's, whether men or women, like it's wrong.
00:33:39
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Right.
00:33:39
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It feels wrong.
00:33:40
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And even like if you're close to them, whether it be in proximity, something's bad is going to happen.
00:33:46
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Right.
00:33:46
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Exactly.
00:33:46
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Because there is this program.
00:33:48
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Oh, you know, we're naked here.
00:33:50
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Nothing good can come out of it.
00:33:52
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Right.
00:33:52
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Which is not the truth.
00:33:53
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Right.
00:33:54
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Because I've been to Harbin more than once.
00:33:57
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Oh, yeah.
00:33:58
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My first experience was maybe like, I want to say like two years ago.
00:34:02
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And it was great healing experience for me because I also had a little shame about being more of me naked, not seeing other people's.
00:34:11
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For me, it was the opposite.
00:34:12
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Yeah.
00:34:13
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I don't care.
00:34:13
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I honestly, like, I think I've done so much work on myself of seeing people with neutrality.
00:34:19
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I didn't care if it was a man, women, if we're sitting, didn't care at all.
00:34:23
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But it was more of me taking off my bathing suit than being vulnerable.
00:34:27
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I mean, I haven't even gotten to that stuff yet.
00:34:29
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No, but,
00:34:30
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So for me, the first half was me wearing the swimsuit.
00:34:35
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And then the other half was like, you know what?
00:34:38
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Screw it.
00:34:38
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No one cares.
00:34:40
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No one is here for sexual intentions.
00:34:42
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No, totally.
00:34:43
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It's just like it's a very safe environment.
00:34:46
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People just have to relax.
00:34:47
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And I'm like, why is it that a small piece of material covering your junk...
00:34:55
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makes me have psychological safety.
00:34:57
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Right?
00:34:58
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Isn't it like some sort of programming?
00:35:00
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Right?
00:35:01
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It's a belief, right?
00:35:02
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That you have to cover your intimate parts.
00:35:04
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So there's like the shame attached to like being in your...
00:35:10
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Right.
00:35:10
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Regular birthday suit.
00:35:12
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Totally.
00:35:12
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And I'm like, I, for me, like I said, I am comfortable being a never nude or an almost never nude.
00:35:19
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Like I that like I thrive in clothing and I will, you know, that was my personal comfort.
00:35:25
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Would I go back again?
00:35:28
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Maybe like I think it was a good thing.
00:35:31
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good information for me to sit with yeah and process it was like forced proximity forced processing and I think it was really good for me to know this about myself because I was like yeah like I don't care if people are naked but then I realized like oh I have a stipulation around that like I don't care if they're naked and far away
00:35:52
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Yeah.
00:35:52
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You know, so there was certain conditions.
00:35:54
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There are certain conditions around like if people are going to be naked, they got to be away from me.
00:35:59
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Yeah.
00:35:59
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Like, and I can't sit.
00:36:01
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I like I can't mentally handle being in a pool of 15 people smack dab next to each other.
00:36:07
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I do believe that places like that is not for everyone.
00:36:10
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Yeah.
00:36:11
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Like in Brazil, we do have a lot of nude beaches.
00:36:13
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Yeah.
00:36:14
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But they're they're kind of private and secluded.
00:36:17
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Like that would be fine.
00:36:18
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You know, and it's fine because it's not for everyone.
00:36:20
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Yeah.
00:36:20
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You know, and also, of course, to kind of prevent, you know, from other things happening.
00:36:25
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It's just like the socialization aspect for me when like no one's wearing clothing.
00:36:30
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I'm like, well, because it goes against what we call, I'm going to say, quote unquote, normal.
00:36:34
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Right.
00:36:35
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Exactly.
00:36:35
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Right.
00:36:36
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Where I'm like, God, this was like, it was like.
00:36:39
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I'm trying and I feel like I'm not judging people who do it because it wasn't even about... It was about me and the experience.
00:36:45
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Yeah, it's all about you and what got triggered in you.
00:36:48
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For me, it was a very... And again, for me, it was a different experience where I felt very liberated.
00:36:53
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But again, I think even before you went, even like I've mentioned to you, this is a place where if I would take someone...
00:37:02
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I would have to be very selective who comes with me because whoever comes with me, you know, that wants to join me in the hot tubs because I love hot tubs.
00:37:11
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So, yeah, it has to be someone that is open and I know there's going to be comfortable in that experience.
00:37:19
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I thought, yeah, I thought it would be more like a kind of an outdoor, you know, clothing optional, like tranquil spa type of thing, like where you have an individual tub, you're doing your own thing.
00:37:30
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Well, there was an expectation, right?
00:37:32
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Yeah.
00:37:33
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So, and that's okay.
00:37:34
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Yeah.
00:37:34
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No, totally.
00:37:35
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Live and learn.
00:37:36
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Yeah.
00:37:36
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You go, you had an experience.
00:37:38
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So now and then you decide whether or not you want to do it again or not.
00:37:42
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It is very beautiful.
00:37:43
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It is very naked.
00:37:44
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Yeah.
00:37:44
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Yeah.
00:37:44
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I do.
00:37:45
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I mean, I highly recommend it if you are comfortable with optional clothing, if you just want to relax and have a great, you know, hot tub experience.
00:37:55
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I love going up there.
00:37:56
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Like I even like I went back like a few months ago to, you know, I'm just at a point where like.
00:38:02
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Yeah, I just say I'm really comfortable with where I am now, you know, and we all have our different
Triggered Emotions and Comfort Zones
00:38:10
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journeys.
00:38:10
Speaker
But, you know, again, just take good care of your second chakra too.
00:38:16
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Yeah, exactly.
00:38:17
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It's so important.
00:38:18
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Yeah.
00:38:19
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And when you feel overloaded for me, I felt very overstimulated because I was also masking my neuro like spiciness to like, I don't know how to socialize in these types of environments.
00:38:30
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Like I can't make I couldn't be yourself in that environment.
00:38:35
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So I felt I was only there for two hours and it was a two hour drive each way.
00:38:38
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So I was just going to say, like, you know, like, you know, be mindful of the type of environment you get into if you are also identify as an almost never nude like me.
00:38:50
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And like, there's nothing wrong with either or.
00:38:53
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But I feel like I'm on this journey of like, I have some more things to process before I can personally ever feel comfortable with.
00:39:01
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Yeah.
00:39:02
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So you felt uncomfortable.
00:39:04
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I felt uncomfortable.
00:39:05
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So in your second chakra, perceive the feeling of uncomfortable as almost like either feeling unsafe, threatened.
00:39:14
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So there was a lot that came with it.
00:39:15
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There was too many things that came at me that day.
00:39:18
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And no one came at me that day, but it was energetically.
00:39:21
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But you got triggered somehow.
00:39:22
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So it is important just to acknowledge all of this, but just find ways where you can...
00:39:29
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you know, process all these emotions in a non-judgmental way.
00:39:34
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Exactly.
00:39:34
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So find a technique that works for you, you know, whether it be whatever that we've already explained, it could be maybe you need to talk with someone, maybe you're in therapy, whatever it is, just find, you know, a practice that works for you where you can keep that, you know, more in balance.
00:39:54
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I threw up the next day.
00:39:56
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So that helped me.
00:39:57
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Oh, you told me that.
00:39:58
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Yeah.
00:39:58
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You really,
00:39:59
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need to get that out of your system i like i literally like i the the anxious like static energy that was like lingering in your second in my second chakra i was like i'm gonna throw this up and then as soon as i threw up i felt better yeah i felt better process it moved on and so my body was really like talking to me yeah and so isn't it interesting how the body shows oh the body knows so communicative yeah it's it's our highest intuitive vessel oh yeah so yeah
00:40:27
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And like, this is me not judging anyone who goes to Harbin.
00:40:30
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I think it's beautiful.
00:40:31
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I think it's a great experience.
00:40:33
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Is it the experience for me at this point in my life right now?
00:40:35
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No, it is not.
00:40:37
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And that's okay.
00:40:38
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That was good for me to learn.
00:40:39
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I still had a, you know, I made the most of it.
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I did not express any of this going on while I was there because I, you know, kind of grew up, you know,
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Like you don't want to make it uncomfortable for other people.
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Well, so it's just like repressing.
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Repressing.
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I repressed it.
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Yeah.
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Speaking of repression, I repressed it in the moment.
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And I'm sure people could tell that I was like, like I was feeling so insane when I was like internally.
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Yeah.
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But you can like.
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keep like dwelling.
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Right.
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No, I'm like,
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who cares?
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Like no one's gonna- You felt a certain way.
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Yeah, it is what it is.
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And you just acknowledge that, then moving forward, you just like decide whether you want- That type of environment is worthy or not.
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You want to like go back or not.
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Yeah.
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I'm assuming at this point, the answer is no, not right now.
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Not right now.
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Yeah.
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Maybe we'll reassess this in the future.
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Yeah.
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But like an all women's situation,
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I would be open to that.
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Right.
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That's like non-threatening for me.
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Like I, you know, and also like, let's do a day spa.
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Like massages, facials.
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Like a mud bath.
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Like that was kind of.
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Whatever feels safe and comfortable.
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It was kind of like a universal joke, but it also like forced me to do some healing and like find out information about myself that I had probably been avoiding for a really long time and like repressing for a really long time.
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Yeah.
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Well, maybe, who knows, it might have been the experience that you needed to take a deeper look at that.
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Because the triggers, that's what it tells you, where your work is.
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That's where you're like, oh, yes, that's, you know, it's telling me something.
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It's not about the others.
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No, no.
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It's just, it's all about ourselves.
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But, you know, I do hope if you have overwhelming feelings, just...
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bring a little bit more compassion to yourself.
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So feel that compassion, like really warming it up through your body, bring a little bit more love because those feelings feel very nurturing and soothing.
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Well, I had to take a moment when I like finally braved myself into like shimmying into my swimsuit.
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And I literally like had to lie down and like meditate.
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Yeah, I was like, I got to collect myself.
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I feel very out of my body.
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Like I so when you do feel triggered by from any type of environment, person, place, thing, like find a safe space to collect yourself.
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Take a deep breath.
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Breathe.
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Breathe.
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check in with your body, be like, you know, remember who you are, like ground yourself, whatever grounding practice you have, whatever totem process you have to like bring you back in and to feel grounded.
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That really saved me.
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And I think it's just also the awareness of it.
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When you kind of, you've realized like right there and there, I think it's just taking a step back just to check in and reassess how you want to move forward, how you want to, do you want to react?
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Right.
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In the situation, do you want to, how do you want to respond?
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Right.
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Or give yourself a chance to see how you are in that.
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Exactly.
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But all of this is a process, you know, like I think it's always like a trial and error.
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Yeah.
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How we navigate all of these emotions and we are emotional beings.
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So just validate your feelings and your emotions.
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There's nothing wrong with them.
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And please share stories where you got triggered.
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Oh my God, we'd love to hear that.
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And any feelings or emotions that came up for you.
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How did you deal with it?
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Especially if you can laugh about it after the fact.
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I feel like I can laugh about it.
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Exactly.
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I can laugh about it when I got home.
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Because, yeah, because your story might be inspiring to others.
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And a lot of people might have been in the same situation to like, oh, my gosh, yes, I felt that same way.
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Right, right.
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Like, is everyone okay with this?
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Because, like, I am not okay with, like, you know, how I am in this situation.
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And it might be a lot of people that are listening to this and might...
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feel a certain way or another yeah you know listening to our stories to you but we want to welcome yeah all the feelings all the emotions however you are feeling right now just allow yourself just to sit in the feeling nothing wrong with it and it's something that i have to remind myself every single day
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nothing wrong with what i'm feeling now that i know it how do i want to move forward exactly so i think it's just the first step but please do share your stories uh i have nothing but feelings of love towards this community and we thank you so much for being supportive um and if you do
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