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Real Masculinity
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The POS wimps talk about toughness.
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Introduction and Masculinity in Media
00:00:09
Speaker
Yeah. Mr. Buster, where the you at? You cannot scrap lick, so know you got your gat. Remember that song, dude? And remember implication for not being able to scrap in toughness?
00:00:23
Speaker
mr buster with a fuck you wear you cannot scrap a lick so i know you got your ga ah remember that song did and remember the implication for not being able to scrap and toughness And masculinity has gone haywire these days, it seems, with the Manosphere and Joe Rogan and UFC and and crazy gun-toting bullshit.
Cultural Pressures and Sports
00:00:45
Speaker
I want to talk about that today. More men? Oh. More. oh My take is in a illegitimate way. So we'll talk about that. But in in the context of that too, i want to talk talk about extreme sports, particularly Colorado's personality, but it goes across the U S now and and people, nothing's good enough or bad-ass enough. So it fits right in.
00:01:09
Speaker
I just, I'm back in Costa Rica, but I, I got caught up in it when I was there. I always do. When I get to Colorado, I kind of rip on Colorado and I get there and all of a sudden I'm like, I need some North face gear. I need some North Face care. You like, I hate the gays and then you're having gay sex.
Masculinity vs. LGBTQ Sentiments
00:01:23
Speaker
Yeah, on the side of a rock with no ropes and like the guy's just so jacked. Yeah, that's what happens, Lance. Boy. One point around that and LGBTQ, no, LGBTQ matters is the weakness of some of these motherfuckers who are so anti-homosexual, anti-trans.
00:01:48
Speaker
It's the opposite of masculinity for me. it's the It's almost closeted gay. But we can get into that later. i assume when someone comes out hard, they are gay. Now someone could say, well, you're ah you're like, I'm always making cheap jokes about fags and gays and everything. like And so maybe I'm the one who secretly wants to get plowed.
Comedy, Expression, and Wokeism
00:02:09
Speaker
But maybe. yeah but you're But you're doing it in, I think you're feeling liberated that we can say those words a little more than we used to ah because of the backlash to wokeism. and and it's fine and i just have a different view on like acceptable comedy and how we should protect it and like so i i have to be have to be willing for it for to let people call me and make fun of me as much as they want but then i would like to be the whatever yeah but uh yeah i i don't know i mean i wonder if that's happening here the hyper masculinity
00:02:42
Speaker
But but you think it's like all the way back to maybe like the
Media Influence on Masculine Ideals
00:02:46
Speaker
50s? Like is what I would imagine of like growing up in the earlier times in the US, there was like a unspoken masculinity of what a man should be like and what a woman should be like. It's kind of we're kind of going back to that maybe a little bit. Right. But now we just have these crazy media outlets that. Toed it in such absurd ways. Yeah. Yeah.
00:03:07
Speaker
I don't know where it's where it was and in that arc. It's just over the top now. it's It's newscasters who just like talk about it. And um i actually, for a moment there, I respected a guy who's going around saying that you know young men are, I got caught up in it. They're saying young men are, they need to toughen up and get get drinking alcohol again and get out and party. And I got caught up in that. And then yeah the more I analyze it, I'm just
Redefining Toughness
00:03:36
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like, what the fuck? are you talking
00:03:38
Speaker
Cause really at the core of this, as a man, your ability to stick up for people who can't fight for themselves, to protect and have some sense of your psychology and not repress feelings, to me is what toughness is.
00:04:02
Speaker
So you don't turn away from the hard things. And the hard things in our society now are mostly psychological. And then they've got it all spun around and including our Secretary of War. First off, they renamed that shit to make it sound more boner-ish, like a real big cock.
00:04:20
Speaker
And i there's just a lot of that going around. and I think we craved it a little bit. I know you and I wanted to get back on on air out of the corporate world to say pussy and and gay. and And at the same time, it's just looking weaker and weaker and weaker.
00:04:37
Speaker
Well, I never liked like a sort of, i don't know, like policing of what's going on. Like it's like, well, if you don't like that, then just don't, don't tune in or whatever. Don't be around that. Sure.
00:04:49
Speaker
But you know, and the hate there, there is, it's always like we go too far.
Freedom of Speech and Comedy
00:04:54
Speaker
We always push too far. And, and there's a time where like, people need to be protected. and and then, then we go a little too far. I think that was kind of my feeling a few years ago, but I really don't even give a shit.
00:05:07
Speaker
ah like um like i don't I don't want to come on here and act like I have a super strong take on like, oh, I feel fucking freedom of speech and the ability to say faggot at all costs is very important to me. or That's not how I don't want to sound like that.
00:05:23
Speaker
But I also don't want to sound like I'm completely, have no empathy and I understand that maybe someone being called a faggot and then a hate crime falls out or something could be bad, troublesome for people. Yeah, which is wise of you. I think I'm not interested in the commentary on the society and talking about Joe Rogan and those types. more as i'm I'm more interested in hearing like your perspective on some topics around masculinity and maybe some people.
00:05:51
Speaker
and and what you think of them and behavior, what you think of it. And maybe you're curious about what I think of it since it's a co-hosted podcast, but we'll see. Yeah, I am a little interested, and this is not a teaser to get to the the original topic that I wanted, but like if you feel like on this topic, you subliminal subliminally or or consciously or subconsciously or consciously like treated your children different.
00:06:17
Speaker
You know, when you were telling your when you're talking to your son and you're like, be a man or but maybe you don't say it like that. But are you like encouraging him to be a man and in a certain way? And your daughter was different. Or is it just like be a good person? And I don't I don't see sexuality. I don't see gender.
00:06:32
Speaker
Just be a good person. Like I think we naturally do it a little bit, whether we like it or not. Yeah, I think my wife would say no for me. I was you know calling my daughter dude and you know saying what the fuck and all that in the same way, but maybe- call my daughter bro all the time. Yeah, me too, I I don't even, yeah, that's awesome, dude. But I wonder, dude, if I, dude, why do I have to add the dude in there?
00:06:57
Speaker
So lame. I wonder if, I allowed my daughter a little more emotional runway and I um cut that off for my son.
00:07:07
Speaker
Quit being a pussy to him or you'd be like, ah.
Parenting and Emotional Biases
00:07:11
Speaker
Yeah, I wonder if his emotion was more triggering. Yeah, I definitely that is a great point because I definitely go to like suck it up pretty quick on my on my ah son. But I also well, i I don't I don't know if I'm saying this, but if my daughter, immediately if she's emotionally unstable, i immediately go to either ah teenagers or women.
00:07:34
Speaker
I'll go there pretty quickly. I swear. Not proud of it, Lance, but I'll just be ah, there she goes. You know? So, and my and my son is just like, what's your fucking problem, man?
00:07:45
Speaker
Come on. Suck it up. Let's go. You know? So do you get into- I'm terrible parent. So do you explore your daughter's emotion or do you just write it off?
00:07:56
Speaker
Because you said she's like, she's a girl. She's a woman. You write it off every time? I don't know if I write it off every time. ah i have. There's been so been some tough situations where I've just been like listening. The hard part is not to just dive in with advice all the time, whether you're giving advice, you know, like shut up or whether it's something stupid like that or you're like, well, here's what I would do.
00:08:23
Speaker
So I feel like I'm trying to listen to her in tougher situations. But I still like yesterday went surfing and I was basically like, Just like, what's your fucking problem? You know, she was like, just not feeling it a little cranky and blaming the ocean and the waves. And I was just like, God, you fucking drive me nuts. It's like we come down here, just fucking catch a wave. it doesn't have to be perfect. Every fucking time we go, I was just oblivious to any sort of what else might be bothering her or something else like that.
00:08:52
Speaker
Right. That's not a great emotional thing, but like there's all that shit in parenting where you're like, well, she's actually not pissed at the ocean. Like maybe you got to read that. She's not pissed because the waves aren't good. She's pissed because of something else going on in her life. You know, I fail to recognize that maybe 90% of the time.
00:09:08
Speaker
You're like, you need to toughen up because when you have a baby come out of your vagina, it's going hurt. You need to fucking toughen up. Get ready for that. Yeah. I talk about that all the time.
00:09:19
Speaker
It's going hurt. I'm telling you, it's going to fucking hurt. There's my masculinities of everything I talked to about is ah Mike, you're just preparing to to procreate to give birth. That's, that's all you're here for is to give birth.
00:09:32
Speaker
Uh, but I don't know, you know, I don't think I'd be more in tune with my son. ah but, I don't know, but like you it comes and goes like because like right now you probably, you you know, you might be in a good state with your kids and then it could have been two years ago or it could have been for me a couple of years ago where where things were tougher and then I got to like remember what I did in those those more challenging situations.
00:09:55
Speaker
Right now everything's like pretty smooth, so it's more like some positive stuff and and that and not quite like, I gotta get deeply involved in their emotions and what's going in their life right now because there's there's there's a lot of problems or something like that.
00:10:10
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I'm i'm i'm similar. i mean, they annoy me and whatnot, but... The idea of toughness, you know just thinking about how I've been. like For me, I feel a lot.
00:10:26
Speaker
And for a long time, I thought that that, like whether it was my kids' behavior, their mess ups, I feel it intensely. And i might've held that in and lashed out in different ways, like projection and other stupid shit.
00:10:40
Speaker
um But over the years, I kind of learned to be like, No, it's okay to feel that. It's okay to feel that whatever panic or overwhelming feeling, not only about your kids, but about whatever
Physical Appearance and Masculinity
00:10:51
Speaker
in life. And then it's more of like the toughness is, you have the courage to talk about it? Do you the courage to bring that up with your wife? you have the courage to express those things to your kids?
00:11:03
Speaker
and And that's where I realized, ah, that's a tough dude. And that's that's been hijacked maybe, what real toughness is, right? Oh yeah, oh yeah. are you Can you stand up and do what has to be done?
00:11:19
Speaker
And sometimes that's physical. I mean, it's not very often, hopefully, in a civilized society, but a lot of times it's a psychological thing. Can you stand up and beat the fuck out of anyone that looks at you?
00:11:34
Speaker
Or your wife? I saw an article. It's like young men are getting jacked and they're like obsessing about getting huge. And you see, i see it on the street, I've said it before. And it's like, what's that about?
00:11:47
Speaker
ah Looking good is cool. I mean, but what's ah what is it about getting real big? And it's a defense mechanism, I think. It's it's like an inner frailty.
00:11:58
Speaker
I'm not going to say that for everybody, but it it possible it's possible that there's an inner frailty there, or at least a perception of yourself in society where you're sort of like, ah, I only i only know how to fit if I look like a badass.
00:12:11
Speaker
Yeah. But... Maybe an extension of something that's always been around, but you think it's getting worse. I mean, everyone likes feel feels better maybe when they look good. I feel like the true security, don't know if it's masculine, but true security is someone that just doesn't give a shit.
00:12:27
Speaker
Yeah. not Not in a negative way where they're like, oh, I'm so i'm so this or that. Just someone who's like, i can i can I can carry this party with just myself. I don't need to fucking be jacked or skinny or fucking I just show up and...
00:12:41
Speaker
Right, right. Like you're at a pool and you're bending over and you have your shirt off. Are you trying to suck in your stomach? are you just like, no, when you bend, when you're sitting on the edge of the pool and kind of hunched over, you're you're going to see some belly rolls.
00:12:57
Speaker
I'm not even taking my shirt off too. But now I'm just saying, are you, are you is that? Right now, I probably wouldn't take my shirt off. if if i I don't know if it's an insecurity thing, but if I'm slightly overweight, I fucking hate taking my shirt off in public.
00:13:11
Speaker
Well, then you're you're not tough, man. you're You're what we call a pussy. No, I don't know what that is about you for you, but I'm i'm just, whatever. i get give I give a million examples of like covering up reality, not acknowledging reality, maybe not taking certain, or not exploring your own feelings.
00:13:35
Speaker
ah Some of what's happened in society does seem antithetical to that. and And a lot of the, at least outward expressions are embellished. You know, the tattoos are real hardcore and the
Cultural Stereotypes: Whiskey and Weightlifting
00:13:49
Speaker
the types of workouts people do to look a certain way or are really hardcore.
00:13:55
Speaker
I'm just curious. Do you think that those things resemble toughness?
00:14:02
Speaker
Like a hardcore tat? Not really. oh wow uh tats have tats have been jacked dude like no but everybody has a tats are the are like the lamest the most mainstream thing ever now like a like who doesn't have a tattoo besides let me ask a let me ask a better question as a tattoo yeah let me ask a better question because that was a dumb question but uh do you think that those expressions are a way to signal masculinity more than there's something about something else like health or um artistic when it comes to tattoos?
00:14:37
Speaker
I mean, i guess you're implying that that's why people are doing it. So I hate the carpet bomb, the whole thing where like everyone, like every guy has a tattoo and is jacked is just like, he's like, this is how I'm a man. And this is it. There's probably people out there that are like that. It's probably people that are like, I don't know what else to do. This is what this is what I see.
00:14:59
Speaker
This is what I see. You don't say in the magazines anymore, huh? This is what I see on Instagram, so I should do that. That's what masculinity is. But then some people might be like, I don't know. I just like being fit. I found a community in the gym that I like and and whatever. So i don't I'd hate to be like everybody who does that is a fucking meathead who's like crazy, you know, focused on They think masculinity is being being ripped and having ink.
00:15:23
Speaker
But yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I how much do you know anyone who's who was kind of like, I don't know what you call like skinny geek and then found working out and all of a sudden got bigger and start taking care of themselves and then seem to like have almost like a 180 turnaround, like confidence and social network and shit. I mean, I have seen that with people. Yeah, so um yeah a few times. I'm like, I like the old you.
00:15:48
Speaker
I like fat you, you know, i' like, like you're funny, but not like this fucking handsome dork who's just like, Hey, but you, but for some people they're, they're probably like, well, it kind of saved my life or whatever, you know? Yeah, for sure.
00:16:01
Speaker
For sure. For sure. We can't care, uh, make a caricature for, for what, what this is all about. But I don't think that's what you're getting at really. don't, I think you're just the person like what's, what's being billed as, as true masculinity now, I think is,
00:16:15
Speaker
is your issue, right? Yeah, I think if you found yourself in certain parts of the country and you were hanging around dudes, you'd gravitate to maybe a handful, up to 10 things.
00:16:27
Speaker
And you might you might get into weightlifting these days. You might follow the NFL or UFC. um Maybe you're talking down wokeism.
00:16:40
Speaker
ah Maybe you're like, you've got a ah a barbecue pit in your backyard or some sort of beer making thing. You know, they're just like a a core set of things. Maybe you're getting into whiskey, stuff like that. Got a whiskey. For a while there, it was like the beard.
00:16:56
Speaker
There's a set of things that seem to define manhood. And you're probably betting too on on some of these apps and um you know kind of investing and in the dumb way. If you're a man, you're probably into crypto. these they seem They seem ubiquitous.
00:17:14
Speaker
yeah i I can't say for sure, but it does seem that you would you would participate in those things if you were kind of in a guy's guy setting.
00:17:24
Speaker
In a certain set of podcasts. ah Yeah, exactly. Just as so as's a sensibility, you know, it's ah there's a type of razzing. It's like, oh yeah, fucking fucking Joe over here, we were fucking doing deadlifts and he pussed out at 380.
00:17:42
Speaker
Fucking idiot. i but We've been doing deadlifts for eight years. Lift the bar with your vagina, Joe? Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know, my son and I say shit like that to each other all the time and laugh hysterically. But we're yeah, it's just so it's just so funny. It's it' sad to us.
00:17:59
Speaker
Yeah. But it's it's just funny. um I'm trying to think if I've been exposed this hyper masculinity where I'm like, Jesus, this is ridiculous.
00:18:10
Speaker
I mean, i will say I'm In this business that I'm in, you you definitely get, you know, you think about what we're selling and stuff. You're going to get people that are into like woodworking and they probably pull up in a big ass truck a lot of times and and they cancel meetings because they're duck hunting and shit.
00:18:28
Speaker
That's all true. That's all happening. But it's interesting in the Midwest because it's it's not really like a stretch, like they're trying to prove anything. It's kind of like just... where that's how they grew up you know because some of these people are from an hour outside of st louis which is rural america you know and like they might be they might be what you're saying like in a good way like a sense of masculinity but like as you would as maybe be like a traditional man would be you know like like but not because they're trying to prove anything it's just like oh i grew up on a farm and my dad showed me how to use a shotgun and
00:19:01
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whatever, kill our own food or shit like that. Yeah. You're participating in your culture and it's not, it's not a force thing or it's not an embellished thing. It's not a trying too hard. Right. It's just, you're, you're, you're being yourself or you're being.
00:19:16
Speaker
But I have a feeling a lot of people wouldn't understand the other side of it. You know, like it'd be hard for them if, if their family or their kids went any other way. you know Yeah, maybe.
00:19:26
Speaker
Like it all works because there' there's no like pushback. But if one of their kids was like, I'm the son on a deer hunting trip was like, I think I'm a woman. they that That might thrill them for like, what?
00:19:39
Speaker
Yeah, ah one of the most absurd things, hunting is is up there and in terms of expressions of masculinity.
Toxic Masculinity in Youth Sports
00:19:46
Speaker
The way I think many hunters hunt is pretty pussy on their ATVs and shit. But but being in and around high school football or youth football, if you wanna see expressions of fake fucking masculinity and absurd like, if you wanna see that,
00:20:08
Speaker
you wanna to see that get around football and the the coaches, the dads, even the moms buy into this. Dude, look man, if you see your kid get punked and like hit hard, concussion level hit and sixth grade, and you're talking and screaming about, get up, we're be tough.
00:20:30
Speaker
How about this, too? Your kid's the one that laid the pipe, and you're all you're celebrating that he knocked some other kid out yeah who is, like, permanently fucked up, and you're like, yeah, Johnny, put him in a body bag. It's a violent sport. I mean, it's a violent – that kid's got to know it's a violent sport. Won't come over the middle again.
00:20:53
Speaker
Yeah, no, because he's going to hospital. But yeah, that's the worst. I do remember, I think a little bit with you too, but Alex, I just remember us sarcastically kind of making fun all that stuff just having the greatest time ever in the fucking locker room. But I wasn't immune to it. I'm not immune good locker room speech or a coach trying to get you fired up or all that kind of shit.
00:21:17
Speaker
No, football pulls for that, but definitely when you're a player and and to some extent a coach, but the parents I think are ah pretty fucking hilarious.
00:21:28
Speaker
It's like I've encountered so many parents that for boys, especially this idea of toughness really ends up being weakness. And ah this like, yeah, you you can fucking scream at him and fucking push him around and tell him he's a piece of shit.
00:21:47
Speaker
And I'm like, dude, I wouldn't do that because that's fucking how you raise a weak human being. Are you serious? I can do that? I can do that? Fuck yeah. That's how you raise like a guy that only knows um one way to solve problems. He's just bringing a hammer to every fucking thing going, bam, bam. That's not fucking working. I'm going to sledgehammer now. Bam, bam. no we don't want We don't need more men like that or coming and be like, I'm going to fuck those bitches. Yeah, going to hit that. and We had that some of that in our era. i mean ah
00:22:23
Speaker
None of it works. None of it works. And I hit that ah sports Sports bring out the best and worst in parents. and a lot Mostly the worst.
00:22:36
Speaker
Yeah, masculinity. What's your idea of masculine? Like you said, someone that actually can't express themselves. It's like a gentle balance. Travis Kelsey.
00:22:48
Speaker
It is a balance. Yeah, I don't know. i don't follow his stuff much. But I would say... Can you, as a guy, can you express some some of the trigger words, I think for the fake tough would be like, when's the last time you told somebody like you're overwhelmed, like my shit's out of control, however you say it, but can you express that to your partner, to your kids?
00:23:12
Speaker
ah that you don't have it all handled. And you hear this from men, like after they've gone through recovery or they fucking completely destroyed their lives, some sometimes coming to these realizations, but like, can you do that would be one. And then do you do you turn away from tough things but Some of that is like ah a human.
00:23:38
Speaker
It shouldn't just be masculinity. No, i look at the way, know, like just going through the separation and what like what different people said to me. Most people are pretty, pretty cool. But that's a situation where you're like, well, can you, you know, as a man, can you express that you're hurt or that you're scared? or or But there's definitely people that are like, you should be out fucking, dude. You should be out fucking.
00:24:00
Speaker
Yeah, I know. yeah stupid If I was you, I'd fucking be in my phone right now. Every fucking bitch. I hear people say that. And I'm like, really? Oh, God.
00:24:13
Speaker
Yeah. So it's just just shredding trim, like just shredding it, like not even respecting it, just like shredding it. Next. Next.
00:24:24
Speaker
Yeah. It's just funny. I mean, you know, that's like something you'd expect like a 16, 17-year-old boy to say. You know, like, you should just you should just fucking get laid, bro. just Yeah. you know Like, what? But, uh...
00:24:40
Speaker
But don't you think that's out of insecurity? Just like massat true misogyny. we so We're satirical about it, but true misogyny. And I've come to determine I'm like a freak feminist in sort of a tough guy way.
00:24:54
Speaker
But true misogyny stems from deep insecurity and ultimately being a total pussy. What is that? What does that mean? massad massage Like misogynistic behavior? I don't even like know what it means. I mean, it's like, i hate i yeah, go ahead, go ahead. You treat women like they're less than. They're like, you know, just an object to be to satisfy your needs.
00:25:14
Speaker
They're weak. They should be, you know you know, there's different versions of it, but they should be in the kitchen and they should answer to you, the man, the patriarch, whatever. hu Yeah, come on.
00:25:28
Speaker
Who we kidding? Yeah, I don't i don't i don don't don't think you'd ever... That's not your your issue, I don't think. I don't think. No, it's not my issue at all, but i it's definitely a growing trend.
00:25:43
Speaker
You think? Oh, no, absolutely it is. I mean, jed to the extent that you believe people like these famous podcasters, these famous personalities, if you believe they're influential...
00:25:55
Speaker
I mean, the online world isn't just the online world. It does trickle into real real life in terms of your perceptions. And so if if those things are so prominent now, you have to believe that people are viewing women in some ways differently. I mean, a lot of people, i mean, it's it's out there, buddy. Take my word for it.
00:26:13
Speaker
I know it's out there, but I kind of, I get the idea. Like, it's not just masculinity or misogyny. Like, there's also maybe a push from women a little bit too that are like, this is, yeah, they agree. I don't know if that's because they've just been exposed to it, but like, there are women like pushing that message too, I feel like little bit, like on the right. and Yeah, yeah. and Like Erica Kirk and other people like that, yeah.
00:26:38
Speaker
I know I had one of our friends in St. Louis. They they were, they were these two girls, uh, they were, uh, like promoting like free choice, like abortion choice and added like a country concert in St. Louis. i was like, why'd you go there? But, but, uh, yeah, they were like, they were like so surprised. One was so surprised that like all these like young girls were like, what you like, we don't believe in that, you know?
00:27:03
Speaker
And she's like, what are you talking about? It's your body. And she couldn't get over it. But I don't know where that comes from, but I feel like it's not just men now, like promoting, maybe that's what you're talking about. Society, like culturally, it's becoming the norm. Women are like promoting that a little bit too now.
00:27:18
Speaker
Yeah, no, it's a kind of a backlash to to wokeism, it seems. i'm I'm not sure when it started, but yeah, there's a there's momentum on that side. the traditional The traditional home structure and...
00:27:33
Speaker
All that kind of stuff. Yeah, and I'm just like, well, wait till you're raped, bitch, and have to have that baby and raise that bastard child. Then you might be talking pro-choice. but yeah I say that to everyone.
00:27:46
Speaker
Flight attendant, person sitting next to me on the plane, check out at the grocery store. Any sign of fucking right wing, I go or or i just go, wait till you're raped, bitch.
00:27:58
Speaker
if It's true, man. It's true. It's true. Like ah one of the one of these ah personalities I thought was a great take is, you know, people are like, oh, fuck the immigrants.
00:28:12
Speaker
Fuck the immigrants. So they' they're going to fucking ruin our society. and And this woman's just like, then why is your dumb ass going a Mexican restaurant? You shouldn't be able to eat any Mexican food, any Chinese food, you fat fucking MAGA fuck.
00:28:28
Speaker
Yeah. just ah There's a stupidity within this masculine masculinity or this toughness. It's just ahs there's like a logical, know, the brainwaves of these guys are sort of fucked up. Too many concussions playing football.
00:28:42
Speaker
There's just a hand. It's like hands picking what what you want, what you want, what part of it you want. So it's like, oh, I can eat some Mexican food, but I, or you know. It's like you're handpicking what's okay with with you. maybe Maybe Chinese food's okay because because you're you're racist. You don't like black people, but you can deal with Chinese people or something like that.
00:29:02
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah the The same dickhead who's got the AR-15s and goes shooting every weekend. he's He's also in a fucking faggy tanning bed you know once a week trying to stay tan.
00:29:15
Speaker
Like Hulk Hogan. Yeah, I mean, it's a it's all embellished nonsense. Wearing bad religion genes. Yeah, be yourself. Be yourself. I don't haven't been hit by the masculinity thing, although I would say maybe, really like, it's still a little more traditional down here, but it's not like that type of shit you're talking about, where you got to wear, what's his name, the fucking, who's who's the singer? He's like super right.
00:29:44
Speaker
Oh, Kid Rock? on Kid Rock, yeah. Like, Kid Rock's your leader now and shit. I don't see that here. but yeah That kind of shit. Like, that was like, Kid Rock was kind of a silly character.
00:29:56
Speaker
Like, terrible music, but catchy. but And then all of a sudden, he's like a spokesman for like for all like all this kind of shit. And you're like, kid, enjoy yourself, dude. Come on. but I mean, guess before we had Ted Nugent. But, like...
00:30:10
Speaker
Yeah, that kind of stuff. You're like, right where's so what's going on here? But people are capitalizing on and a time, you know? Like he's like grabbing the and run with it. I think he believes that shit, but I would i have to ask the question. i don't want it, but like, why do you see Trump as a particularly tough guy?
00:30:30
Speaker
Huh? Do you see Trump as a particularly tough guy?
00:30:37
Speaker
And like physically or just in general? Yeah. What's your your view of him? A strong man or like how would you characterize him? I mean, if I if like and normally if somebody acted the way he did, I would just think they're made like like we talked about people that come out real hard against anti-gay are probably like down low brothers or or like are secretly gay themselves. So with Trump, you would say ah he's he does all this shit out of like wild insecurities.
00:31:07
Speaker
I just think he's he's like sort of detached where he doesn't he doesn't have any sort of like guilt or anything like that. like so's just like He's not insecure, but he's also not like...
00:31:19
Speaker
He doesn't have like normal feelings. So he's just like, yeah, I'm gonna do it. And he has no no like, oh shit, maybe I fucked that up or maybe I should rethink that. Like he doesn't have that ability or or that thing that like holds us back from doing stupid shit. Right, on the scale of narcissism, I'm not sure how they measure, we all have a little bit of narcissism. He's like a full 10 where he he yeah he does literally doesn't care about anything but what he wants.
00:31:46
Speaker
That's, people see that though. I think the dumb dumbs do, at least in my mind. Most MAGA people are dumb dumbs to me. i They see that as a tough. He goes for what he wants. He tells people like it it is.
00:32:01
Speaker
He's direct. If you're black and dumb, he'll say, that's a dumb black guy. You know, he'll he'll say whatever he wants. That disabled idiot. know, really? Really?
00:32:14
Speaker
Yeah, ah it'd be nice if he was what you said. you know where you know, it's okay to be masculine and feel like you need to defend your family or defend your country or everything, but then you also have the ability to be like compassionate and and express yourself or admit when you fucked up or whatever.
00:32:32
Speaker
a little bit of the other side would be cool, ah the the other side of those equations, but that's not going to happen. Yeah, you can like a brisket sandwich, and express your toughness through eating brisket.
00:32:46
Speaker
And you can also, when you make a mistake, say, hey, that's on me, guys. Yeah. Yeah. And like if he had that balance, it would be cool. I mean, there's ah there's got to be like a weird-ass personality to run to want to be the president and then run again.
00:33:02
Speaker
and and like... ah he's So whatever fucking narcissism he has, it's probably, you know, his is at level 10, but you need some of that. But then ah there's no like there's no governor, I think, is part of the issue.
00:33:17
Speaker
Yeah, you can have a foot-long Philly cheesesteak sandwich and not fuck with our allies.
Politics, Media, and Public Perception
00:33:25
Speaker
Mm-hmm. That's where I was going.
00:33:30
Speaker
I just think the food thing's funny. I still like this, how people like try to compete in food and alcohol. it still It's still one of the funniest things to me. I ate so much that thing, or I drank so much.
00:33:42
Speaker
Oh, just like, oh, you know, guys, young guys, like fucking, oh yeah. Anyway. I'm leaning into like, I'm just leaning back into like, and tuning tuning it all out and and hyper focusing on a couple things.
00:34:00
Speaker
Like the masculinity is like, you know, i haven't I haven't listened to like, I haven't listened to any podcasts. I haven't been on social media and really haven't watched TV in maybe three or four weeks because, you know, it was up there and I was wasn't wasn't really doing anything and I don't much anyways, but like, it's it's pretty nice.
00:34:22
Speaker
Yeah, but you need to, bud. You need to pay attention to some of the news, not incessantly. but what's there like it maybe news. Yes. But like, uh, I mean, there's no, like what's perceived as a, as a modern, modern, something modern. That's great.
00:34:37
Speaker
Like podcasting, which is where we're talking right now, but a lot of it, like it doesn't really give you it like living without it was, is like more refreshing than living with it.
00:34:48
Speaker
I found. Yeah, maybe. I mean, I like it. I like the medium. I like the, the ability to walk around and like catch some of the points, but also be doing other things. No, I hear you though. Like you don't want to like live your life through it. And I've, I've been caught up in that a little bit at times.
00:35:05
Speaker
Well, like you have it as like, people can express their opinion and then, but then you're like, well now I got fucking listen their opinion. And, and if you don't listen to other people's opinions then, cause most of it is just opinion.
00:35:15
Speaker
Yeah. know so Yeah. Some of the podcasts for sure. ah Most of them probably. Yeah, like all of them, which is entertaining, but yeah. I just don't have a lot I'd it's Yeah. I don't have a lot of empathy or respect for people who check out completely. And especially, you know, the last 10 plus years are just unprecedented. In terms of the the norms of society shifting so dramatically, you know, the the literal military is on standby outside of Minnesota. And like for you to not know that,
00:35:50
Speaker
or like have some sense of what's going on and out in Minnesota is like, Would be fucking weird to me. It's just like, oh, it's different though. Like when say check out, it makes it sound like you, you've given up on life where you're like, I'm not going to do anything because people are suffering in Minnesota. No, it's more of trying to be part of the positive side of life, you know? like Yeah, no, that's fine.
00:36:11
Speaker
It's just more of like, I'm not going to pay attention to the news anymore because it makes me feel bad with Trump and all the bad stuff he's doing. I'm not going to do that. And like, i take a break. Fine. Like go on vacation, but.
00:36:24
Speaker
like I think as a citizen, where you're given a privilege or they like a right, actually, to vote, ah maybe understand some of the stuff going on. I don't expect it to be perfect for everybody. But I get real tired when politicians are like, everyday voters don't care about this.
00:36:42
Speaker
Well, they fucking should. And you don't need to be an expert to know what right from wrong. And I'm telling you, the ICE bullshit in Minnesota is wrong. And if anybody was watching those videos, they would conclude it's wrong.
00:36:57
Speaker
I'm just saying I can't let it get in my way. No, of course not. not that you're But you're not that personality anyway. So checking the news and going, oh, Jesus, sir. yeah You're going to sound like, oh, I guess I'm not going to <unk> not going to sell wood today. I'm little depressed.
00:37:13
Speaker
I'm just going, how do I make this ice thing lead to more wood sales? That's all I'm doing. Just rubbing my hands together and being like, I know there's a way to capitalize on this. I'm not nice. I'm building live edge coffins for the protesters, the fallen protesters.
00:37:31
Speaker
There's Minnesota. There's a, I mean, I think the people of Minnesota seem to be doing the right thing. They're protesting. They're fighting the fight and like, Yeah, oh yeah. You got open carry motherfuckers out there, like guys that have got their machine gun or whatever, those AR things, just draped around their neck as protesters. That seems risky, but hey man. And the Black Panthers are back. Did you know the Black Panthers are back?
00:37:56
Speaker
No, I didn't know that. The fucking Black Panthers have reformed. Yeah, I mean, those are things like, do I want to dwell on them every all day? No, but like it's kind of, kind of. you know to be a part of a society, you wanna know that. but okay here's Here's a headline. Bruce Springsteen condemns, and by the way, do you guys say ICE?
00:38:17
Speaker
You're not saying ICE. like what's what's What do we say? Oh, it's ICE. ICE. ice ru spring It's funny because the telecommunications system here is ICE as well, but they say people say ESE.
00:38:30
Speaker
but So I've been slipping saying ESE, but it's ICE. Bruce Springsteen condemns ICE and dedicates song to Renee Goode. the boss now i don't need to read that shit i don't care what like what the boss is so i mean why you're at it why you're why you're saying there wants to be tuned in does that shit do anything for you i mean it's good good for bruce but like okay she's gonna dedicate a song like does that have any relevance it It really depends on what lens you're looking through it.
00:39:01
Speaker
Could it be like cheese ball, virtue signaling, capitalistic opportunism? Yes. But could it be a society building a broader movement against what doesn't seem to be right? Yes. And i am open to that, even though he's super famous and he's actually shown to be a very critical, critical, yeah. Walk the walk, critical of America. And, um,
00:39:27
Speaker
a blue collar guy and everybody thinks born in the USA was about fucking, I was just going to say that patriotism, but it's more about the, the shitty parts of the country. Anywho, I could, yeah, go either way with that kind of shit.
00:39:42
Speaker
But I, I do like what I do like, which really is I'm, for I don't like to admit, but when somebody who was formerly MAGA comes out and condemns,
00:39:53
Speaker
or or or talks about how they're they they're leaving the movement or condemn something that was said or done, ah that really makes me happy.
00:40:03
Speaker
They're anti. what's the What's the magna thing right now like with with Minnesota? if there People are like, they got to do what they got to do. or like Is everyone like, yeah, okay, this is getting kind of ridiculous, or what? They're like, they're illegals.
00:40:17
Speaker
or I think that they the the main theme around the protesters from their point of view is that they're professional agitators and that sort of some left-wing radical billionaires are funding them to like do crazy shit. And it just- They're like bussing in.
00:40:36
Speaker
Yeah, that's one of the conspiracies. or It's not even a conspiracy to them. To them, it's like a fact. And a we just laugh at that, but that's what they say. And what about Greenland?
00:40:50
Speaker
Do you know anyone that's like, we should take Greenland? I like what he's there. Different points of view from that magosphere of, you know, we're a strong country. We need it for national security, period. Europe, they're pussies. They haven't done shit for ah peace and defense and fuck them and we should have it because we're the only one doing it in the world. That sort of like...
00:41:15
Speaker
Trump is the best thing that ever to- He's the only one got the balls to the minute, right? Yeah. Trump is so great and he needs to have control of everything. That thing is out there big time.
00:41:28
Speaker
they They're not students of history, many of these fucking morons, and they don't really see that- You know, individual countries have pride. They have integrity and they're not going to just give up shit to a bully. And it's going to get real if he keeps fucking trashing everyone. And even if it doesn't get real in this year, people are already pulling away. They're pulling it away in longer term. the're making deals with China. They're making deals with them amongst themselves. And the U.S. will be weaker, fucking weaker.
00:42:01
Speaker
I just think internally, like it could be, regardless of what we think, the risk would probably be internally as well. Just pushing like pushing a little too far where like that I start losing midterm elections, and then they really open the door for a candidate to come in and actually have a chance ah winning against a Republican candidate next next presidency.
00:42:24
Speaker
like If it keeps going way it is, probably... Oh, yeah. You know, outside of the, is this right or wrong? There probably, if there's enough people that are like, like I mentioned it, my mom or whatever, that were like, you know what, we're on the fence. Maybe they would have voted for JD Vance.
00:42:36
Speaker
But they're just like, yeah, I can't vote for them anymore. I'm going to go the other way. just but Like there's a thin line there where they're oh, you might move it. You might move it.
Vision for a Respectful Society
00:42:44
Speaker
Right. And then. You might. Which is, ah which generally seems to happen after a while.
00:42:50
Speaker
Like, you know. Right. You look at like. The Reagan-Bush years were like, ah, it just got a little too conservative and people were tired of it and they voted for this, what at the time seemed like a hillbilly from Arkansas, right? And then same thing again, Bush.
00:43:06
Speaker
They're too much like Bush-Cheney fucking war and all that shit. And then it was like, no, all right, that opens the door for the first black president. And it got too woke. And yes, yes, yes, there's these cycles. Yeah.
00:43:18
Speaker
I think in the 80s when they went after heavy metal and music and they were really after rap music, people were just like, fuck these motherfuckers. It was enough, right? Yeah, it was enough. And I think Reagan was more eloquent about the way he spoke and had this real patriotic message. And then Bush just wasn't quite as charming and it just seemed like an old white guy being racist.
00:43:41
Speaker
like and yeah Something like that. But I'd gladly him. Yeah, you're glad they take both of the bushes, right? Oh, yeah, yeah all day. But you might ah be pleasantly surprised they keep fucking this up. If if World war if War doesn't happen, like...
00:43:57
Speaker
It might just, I mean, I think even for them, you you're like, you might be unleashing this a little too fast. Like every day, something that's never been thought of or done before.
00:44:08
Speaker
Like even if you, let's say you're right, the right move is to take Greenland. The right move is to send troops into Minneapolis. It's like too much. The news cycles are happening. So like like at some point, even the regular person just goes, oh, there's like a crazy person running the country.
00:44:22
Speaker
I think. Exactly. I know you people, point of the show, the show is actually, yeah, people are going, oh, masculinity. Some people are out there going, fuck yeah. He just keeps, he just keeps yeah doing the right thing. But I think even, even for people that might,
00:44:34
Speaker
support them or like, dude, you're making, you're like, it's coming at me too fast. I'm trying to defend you, but like, you gotta take it easy. Stop. Stop. Yeah. yeah and And I guess like, we talked a lot of politics last week, but like, I'm not asking for for much.
00:44:50
Speaker
I mean, a little bit of redistribution of the wealth of billionaires to the workers, just because they all contributed to the success. That's a word though in the US though. It won't be. say redistribution.
00:45:02
Speaker
It won't be in the future, um including healthcare. care And then I'm asking for just some basic fundamental respect for each other and a connection around the common ideals of like freedom and rule of law.
00:45:15
Speaker
And we can all hopefully get off this social media bullshit and and trying to rage bait each other. if If we could get there, i certainly would be happy whether we have a Republican president or a Democratic president, I wouldn't give a flying fuck.
00:45:30
Speaker
You know, and then, you know, protect ah protect the people from sinister forces, have a good defense system, have an understanding of AI and some controls around that. that That's basically what I'm about.
00:45:42
Speaker
the What's happening now, it's so ridiculous. I don't know how a rational person concludes that this is good for America. And if I meet somebody who somehow spins it that way,
00:45:55
Speaker
I don't, dude, I don't even know how to comprehend it. Loss of respect. Just, I can't even, I'm just like, peace out, motherfucker. ah It's, it's the, like, it's a kind of stupidity to, to, to frame it in terms of masculinity. It's just weak.
00:46:12
Speaker
It's just weak. Well, yeah, I want to add to tie it back to the, like, do you think it's the product of the masculinity movement or the cause? Like this, this fuck everyone. like ah it's it's kind of wrapped up. It's intertwined, right? It's like that. For sure.
00:46:26
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know. how I don't know how I would answer that. mean, I'd have to go kind of do a white paper, but. Well, we're kind we got like two themes going on. So I was just wondering if they, if they tie together, like the the direction the country's going and then the direction morally where we're going.
00:46:43
Speaker
and like what what started it? Because I think the the movement probably had to start to for this for the for like him to get voted in. There's probably already a feeling, we've already talked about a hundred times. Definitely went too far left, but like there was a movement probably started allow someone like like Trump to win, right? And to like garner support.
00:47:04
Speaker
There was a disillusionment ah with el elitism and coastal elites and that's kind of who the Democrats were. ah supporting and and while like folks in and Central America, the Midwest were suffering through the opioid crisis and through loss of manufacturing jobs, all understandable.
00:47:25
Speaker
How it's like taken shape though, in terms of people's expression of it, is an absurd other rising. And it's, you know, the, the right will act like everybody on the left wants to have a drag show in the elementary school assembly. You know, they'll act like, know, trans people are walking down the street and like showing their genitals to everyone. I mean, they act so crazy about it. And I don't, yes,
00:47:54
Speaker
You know, the worst you'll get from the left is calling them Nazis. And honestly, that's kind of proving true. But, you know, there isn't there isn't a lack of logic in the criticism coming from what are the reasonable left.
00:48:08
Speaker
there There is a lack of logic and a complete adoption of conspiracy thinking coming from the right. It's very fantastical and insane. And I just have a hard time when people who I thought were reasonable subscribe to that without thinking.
00:48:25
Speaker
And they're just like, huh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The election was stolen. Yep. ah that You know, when they were approached they were they were doing mostly good things in that January 6th.
00:48:38
Speaker
That wasn't real. And how do you come to that conclusion? And I don't think there's any corollary to that on the left. I just don't think there is. And and and so I think conspiracy oriented thinking is weak.
00:48:52
Speaker
And it's the and antithesis of masculinity. So there, diatribe done. Mic drop. Yes, sir. Well, I think it's like what we just talked about. so you got that, like that conspiracy theory. It's like this, and it's like almost too fast for them. So like defending this, and there's only a few ways to, to defend it that quick.
00:49:12
Speaker
Yeah. Every day you're like, fuck, I got another thing. I got to go out there and pretend like it's cool. Right. You know, to me, like there's a weakness in denying climate change. It's sort of what's the basis of your belief system. If if all the scientists go, hey, this is a problem, like what what are you trying to accomplish with that? Or trying to rewrite history and make, you know we don't want to hear any of the bad stuff about slavery and about the the murders in the 60s and the assassination of MLK. We don't want any of that. it's That's weakness. It's fucking pussy.
00:49:51
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Pussy. I think pussy, dude. I think that's... And instead, we'll replace that with, ah you know, our deadlifts and fucking being tough and getting a, you know, getting a hardcore whiskey and doing real spicy food.
00:50:06
Speaker
We'll replace real toughness with the fake pussy bullshit. Anywho. I wonder if that... What that scene... Like, if they're, like... I mean, I just don't know any... don't know. I know people like whiskey and people work out and shit. I shouldn't say i don't know anyone. I'm just wondering if they're like... If those trend meathead, what I call meathead dudes are are like like generally Trump supporters or what? Like if it's all tied together or not...
00:50:33
Speaker
and Probably not, but did you hear the stupid? Might be. Did you hear the dumb little, I did another words in motion thing that was like these two guys going back and forth? Sarah didn't think it was funny. yeah She didn't think it was funny at all. I mean, I didn't really spend the time to write the appropriate bits. There were a couple that were funny, but it's just two guys going back the forth with ones like, here's the deal. And the other one's like, what you got to understand. Anyway, I just picture...
00:50:59
Speaker
guys trying to justify really silly silly shit. Like sometimes you you kind of were doing a little bit with tariffs and um What you got understand, Luca, is other countries do tariffs. And it's not necessarily bad thing that America does tariffs. Now, you may believe that. I personally disagree with that. But I'm not saying that's how you are. the fact that countries have tariffs. I'm saying. that's a fact.
00:51:21
Speaker
But whether it's a good strategy for us or not is a whole different yeah and discussion. Yeah, that. But I just picture these dipshits, no matter what absurdity that comes out of the White House or or wherever in the magosphere, that they just go back and forth like that, justifying it.
00:51:37
Speaker
with at best conspiracies and you just see it. Somebody told me dude that CBS News that was sold or is now run by sort of a right winger, anti-woke chick that one of the newscasters signed off and was like, and we salute you Marco Rubio for all the hard work that you're doing for America or some shit like that. I'm like, what?
00:52:07
Speaker
that what what's really fucking sucks is the like all that sort of the place that you you go to for factual information has been hijacked by like editorial and and uh people with it an agenda maybe maybe it was always that way i don't know but but that i mean back to like checking out i'm like well yeah i don't like there's no It's like, there's just an, I don't need anyone else's agenda right now.
00:52:36
Speaker
And I think that's all you can really get. And there's no like, there's no like mainstream, I don't know what you call it, news outlets, or there's no like, everything is opinion based and narcissists. No, there is. failing Self-serving. Going back to the BBC.
00:52:51
Speaker
That's everyone's answer now is always the BBC. no. Here, I think, I think, NPR was characterized as sort of left-wing crazy.
00:53:01
Speaker
And I'm not talking about some of their little sub-genres and shows, yeah but they're just their actual news gathering. it's I never thought that it's crazy at all.
00:53:14
Speaker
It's so boring, actually. it's It's like, yeah, and that's why they don't like have a lot of people that follow that news-specific stuff because right it's boring. and so I um mean, a good way. It's so boring because it's it's not filled with like sits and you know sat sensationalizing opinions and shit. It's just like, here's what it is. Yeah. Right. And so so in contrast, though, to the trend of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News and the embellishment of facts and making stuff up, if you know in the Trump era, if you came out with a story that just said the actual facts and you weren't supporting Trump, then all of a sudden you you become labeled a left-wing radical.
00:53:50
Speaker
news organization. MSNOW, in contrast, you know every single story has Trump's face on it and it's completely like, oh, he did, Trump's losing ground, Trump's, it's all.
00:54:03
Speaker
It's definitely more objective than Fox in my opinion, but it's still, it's it's for that purpose of firing up the left. But NPR, I mean, yeah, so like you can find it and there are other sources, Associated Press.
00:54:15
Speaker
I don't know why we got there. That's just another fucking Lance rant today. Just let you go. I want you to run. i want to make this a two a two hour, a two banger, bro. We can definitely go two bangs. Well, like, I mean, I feel like you're you're turning the corner, actually. You're deep in it, but i think you're turning the corner.
00:54:32
Speaker
we're We're like, with we're two or three weeks away of some ah some topic being like, do you like caramel popcorn or cheddar cheese? but Where you're going to be like, you're just gonna be over it and you're gonna come out with something so ridiculously nonpolitical. It's gonna shock our listeners' minds, bro.
00:54:48
Speaker
Shock our listeners' minds. I don't think so. i think I think Trump and the crew's gonna turn it down after they get Greenland and I think they they they pull it back a little bit. They they reach across the aisle.
00:55:02
Speaker
and I think Canada would be next and I'm not even, I'm not joking. What about here? about Costa Rica.
00:55:14
Speaker
It's just two it's too mixed in with other fucking weird countries around it to they might even take take it over. They don't even need to hear. Well, the i could the only reason I could see is is if they get, for some reason, like things escalate and then they think that Nicaragua is like tied to Russia or something like that or or just whatever whatever they perceive as a threat to the canal and then they just say we need the whole whole area.
00:55:44
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. ah Related is, you know, you want to talk about toughness.
Global Political Dynamics
00:55:50
Speaker
Now, as white people, we probably ignore all the resistance fighters in Africa, but we're exposed to what's happening in Ukraine.
00:56:00
Speaker
And in the dead of winter, negative temperatures, grids off these people still fight build their drones way less resources than russia and fucking fight and fight and fight and that's tough and if you remember when i don't know if you even paid attention you probably did you're probably jerking but zielinski went into the white house i don't know maybe by now was a year ago no less than a year and in two fucking fake masculine pussies while this guy's in the middle of a war we're tearing him down jd vance and trump just unbelievable what pussy behavior they they they had this is a guy like that is actually doing it they have no idea i don't know that trump could even withstand a war
00:56:48
Speaker
You had to listen to that you know piece of shit, JD, during a real crisis? Please. Give me a fucking break. They're weak. it's got to be i mean It's got to be weird for the for that guy or anybody because they they probably feel like, fuck, I got to listen this idiot because my country like and we need their support.
00:57:09
Speaker
and Yeah. you know He's pushing far enough, though. He's pushing far enough now that I think that's going to stop, and i'm I'm excited. I hope he doesn't escalate and just backs down, but I'm excited to see when people are like – I mean, the European economy is huge, dude.
00:57:25
Speaker
I mean, if they really got a sense of true pride and were willing to suck it up. And unite. And their people were into it. mean, I'm going to fucking destroy. Really make it our economy tough. I mean, so many of our businesses capitalize on that. And they have so much of our investment.
00:57:44
Speaker
i think like 10 trillion or something. You could just sell that shit. Market goes, poosh. it's it's We're all intertwined in the world. And so what he's doing is he's he's so stupid.
00:57:57
Speaker
He's so fucking dumb. It's just hilarious. He's so dumb. But I'd never have met anyone in my life that acted like that. Like Trump?
00:58:10
Speaker
No, never. And got anything worthwhile done or made any friends. Somehow he's president. This is my original take a long time ago. This is like this is how i check out as you were.
00:58:24
Speaker
Like of all all the shit he used to do or did where I was like, my my real issue was like, I got to tell my kids, act you you act like that and you could be super successful where you're just like gunning after your enemies and just and like talking shit about anyone who opposes your thoughts and stuff.
00:58:42
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I was like, I don't know. You're right. i like I can understand the tariffs. I tell my kids that. But like the yeah like when I watch them talk or and I'm just like, like you said with Zelensky, and you're like, ah fuck. Yeah.
00:58:55
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This is like everything what you you if you're parenting that you tell your kids when you're young, like, don't act like this. And you're like, nope. But but even that, dude, I get it apathetic because I'm like, but they're all fucking pieces of shit like that. Like at the top, you mentioned like these these like arrogant CEOs and shit like that where you're like, yeah, but I don't need to listen to any of them.
00:59:15
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Yeah, to some extent. and But they're nobody like that. Like, I don't think you can point to any past president and go, oh, yeah. yeah yeah He was worse than Trump. I mean, come on. But I do think to your point that the billionaires are parroting but parrooting Trump in a way and being much bigger assholes. Like what's what's with Musk, for example? Like what's his need to be such a a prick on the global stage?
00:59:41
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Or Mark Zuckerberg got all hardcore and shit talky and all these guys are just more like, I am, you I'm a fucking God. you know i don't know what happened there.
00:59:53
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It used to be more of a a social responsibility take on the tech side, but it's gotten definitely like world takeover. I'm gonna take every piece of this world I can get. i don't That's a Trump thing, I think, a cultural influence.
01:00:08
Speaker
My thing is once you've started your own business and got to 15 grand monthly revenue, Fucking let it rip, dude. Let it crush. yeah Founders are just different, bro. Founders are fucking yeah different. the The arrogance of like, I i can do, i don't know. i just But um I just, I don't know, dude. I don't know what to tell you, but I got no time for it.
01:00:32
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And that's all I see. and the And the second I get back into it, any in any fashion, whether it's social media or looking at the media or even looking at Yahoo, pretty quickly I'm like, ah, they're all the same.
01:00:44
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They're all like different levels of crazy, but like, not I'm not just saying just, trump like, ah they're all the same, like CEOs, like everyone, professional athletes, like, they're all pieces of shit. Like, ah like so many of them, except for the Japanese, who are the greatest people on earth.
01:01:01
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And I could do eight episodes about that. well ah Like, you're just like, ah, you're narcissistic fucking... piece of shit. I don't care about you. Even celebrities. like Again, i'm um what did you call ah but I'm painting broad strokes because there's there's good people out there too. But I just like i got i don't need to listen to you, people.
01:01:21
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Right. i'm not least You don't have influence over me. Yeah. Right. I don't know what's what happened to where like the the heroes died. you just I think that the world um rewarded sort of not having principles and just like flowing with whatever rage or whatever extreme view was happening at the time.
01:01:45
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huh hu and That thing, you do you. that's just That's just who he is. Yeah, yeah but you know you used to be, or people would sort of look at you as a respectable human being if you you had your beliefs, you stuck to your principles, and you know at times you were willing to change your mind.
01:02:04
Speaker
And it's just such a weird vibe at the moment of like, yeah, no, I'm going fucking... I'm gonna fucking capitalize on this. I don't give a shit, who cares? If the queers don't like it, fuck the queers.
01:02:17
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you know It's just like, ah whatever, I'll do whatever, I don't care who's upset about it. That's a Trump thing. Yeah. What you just described is how you if you think about all the presidents in our lifetime and and we probably, you know, when we're seven, you know, when you're 16, you're probably like, fuck George Bush or whatever, you know, but if you think about all the presidents lifetime, they they're kind of exactly what you, in hindsight, you're like, they're exactly what you just said.
01:02:41
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Kind of like professional compromising people stand up for their, their side. But like, in the end you're like, oh, they're actually like decent people. It seems like, but yeah.
01:02:52
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Yeah. But that that's all that's all changed. like Politics are not this like put on a good front and be and be you know be respectful and represent your country now. Now it's like, nope, attack. go Be on the offensive all the time.
01:03:06
Speaker
Attack your enemies. And if you can't get someone to do what you want, take them to court. Yeah, hopefully we get back to that. But let's move on, dude. Let's get out of this. I can't talk about those dickwads. Extreme of sports.
Extreme Sports Culture
01:03:21
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You got to do it, dude. i I mean, I think this could be a an episode. I really do. Extreme sports? Well, yeah. Well, there's a... It's not new, but like...
01:03:32
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When I go back, I don't know why. i go back to Colorado and I get like a little bit wrapped up into snowboard a little bit. and then We went to a fucking rec center. I had like the dopest climbing gym ever. public rec center. Fucking, fucking, fucking. We went to a fucking, fucking rec center. Fucking. Yeah, sorry. Who's that? Who you impersonating?
01:03:54
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I remember someone like that. I'm not going to say her name. No, yeah. Okay, you went to a rec center. yu be Yeah, dope climbing wall. And then the lady there who was like, she had just become the director of climbing. it was my son and I's first time ever climbing. were like, whatever, it's doing it for fun.
01:04:10
Speaker
Get out of my parents' house. And she's like, well, if if you you got, and then I don't know how it came up that we're going up to Boulder to watch a basketball game. you should She told us like a climbing store we need to go to and then we should like go fucking go up on flat irons and start climbing rocks and shit. We're just like, okay.
01:04:28
Speaker
just killing an hour here. But yeah, it gets intense out there quickly where you got to be like, you got to go all in. ah But there there is even in surfing, like there is this thing now where everything has to be challenging death.
01:04:43
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like I know. and i'm like Why? i don't know. It's entertaining. like I watched Free Solo three times all last week about the guy who climbs El Capitan in California. and I was like, this is better than movie I've ever seen. Yeah, that was good.
01:04:57
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But it was well done. and then and But I'm like, he didn't he didn't have to do that because you could climb it with ropes and it's still like a fucking um amazing feat. You know? and and Yeah. It's weird. I don't get why you do that. It's like, what are those huge waves that people surf? What are they called? Yeah. Nazare and, and, and, uh, Portugal. And then, yeah, the one hundred foot waves. And what do they call those waves though? I can't forget.
01:05:21
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i don't know. just call them big waves. Oh, maybe it's just big waves, but yeah, like you're not going to go out there. You're not going to go out there without the jet ski people. that can come find you. i mean.
01:05:33
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It doesn't even look fun, those hundred foot. Like you're just riding down. You can't really do anything. No, it's so fast, right? Yeah. So so risky. So risky and you're not like getting tubed or anything. you're You're just, I don't know. But yeah, I don't need, I mean, I think that's, people are riding big waves for a while, but like that's probably within the last 20 years where people are like, I gotta go to, there's like five places in the world. Nazare, Mavericks,
01:05:58
Speaker
cortez like place in the middle of Pacific Ocean off the coast of California where like you'll get like 80, 100-foot waves. And it's like – it just doesn't it doesn't look like fun. But we'll tune in. Like if someone's dropping into Nazarene and you see a video of it, you're going fucking watch it, you know, 100-foot waves. Oh, yeah, that's cool. You're like, that's a spectacle.
01:06:18
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Do you think that that has changed –
01:06:23
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Do you think it's changed your impression of what's impressive? Because like, sometimes I'll think like, and I'll bring people, friends that maybe they don't watch basketball or, you know I'll send in one of my son's dunks.
01:06:35
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And, you know, I'm assuming they've seen the most elite, exceptional, absurd dunking on the internet that you could ever imagine.
01:06:46
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And it, I just wonder how jaded we are or not jaded, but how um spoiled we are in terms of like seeing the greatest things that have ever happened. And in in the past, we probably didn't get to exposed to that. So you could be impressed by a guy that drops off of a, you know, an eight foot cliff, one of your friends like at at Winter Park. And now it's like, oh, did did you see fucking Chris Zion jump that seven? That's not shit. And you just feel like you could never be good enough. Yeah.
01:07:17
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And we've talked about this, but like the extreme sports just pulls it to more and more intense levels to just even be an average person now doing any of it.
01:07:29
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yeah I don't know. It feels it feels overwhelming like to just even participate. Dude, you just reminded me of that. Well, I don't know if you've been following it.
01:07:41
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ah snowboarding half pipe competitions over the last like 30 years but it's they're they're going 40 or 50 feet in the air now like it's insane like i can't even fathom it but we drove coming back from bale luca and i drove past copper mountain and like there's a they put a giant half pipe in every year you can see it from the highway because right there and there was a guy like going up and he was just turning he was barely getting out of the pipe and luca's like okay sucks and i was like dude that's really hard yeah It's like, it's really hard. You're on an inverted wall. Yeah, even dropping in.
01:08:13
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Dropping in on your skateboard. i mean, I've obviously as ah having a kid, you know, Charlie and I would ride to those things. But dropping in on a skateboard on one of those fucking like skate park. Terrifying. It's it's absurd.
01:08:26
Speaker
then I've tried, like I thought about it on my bicycle. and I'm like, fuck no. yeah I just get down at the bottom and I just kind of skirt around the bottom edges. Wee, wee, wee, and then throw my bike up. But like, dude, these things that people are doing, that I'm not sure what's pushing them to go so, well, it's is it money?
01:08:46
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Is it money, notoriety? It's like... Well, it's a gradual progression in their eyes. So like somebody does a 360 and then they do a 540. Now they're doing, can't remember what it is, but it's like seven times 360 or something like that. Really?
01:09:02
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Yeah. Like on those half pipes. Yeah. On that? Yeah. Or the the ah slope slope side, the competition. like So yeah, those sports are all about progression and it like never stops.
01:09:15
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it which is ah it Which is not even that much different than like ah any of the team ball sports now with like size, strength, what we were talking about a little bit, like coaching. and It's like, is there progression? Those sports are just like, like there was no Shaquille O'Neal like 50 years ago. or He's kind of a freak. But like then you have all these people that are like jacked.
01:09:36
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you know like I think, remember the Washington Redskins, their offensive line, the Hogs? They're like the biggest guys ever. They're all like 260 or something like that. 250. Or if you ever watch old NFL films, it'll be like, ah, his name was at 205, the gargantuan.
01:09:57
Speaker
Exactly. It's like progression. Yeah. Well, that's out of specialization, don't you think? Like, you know, when you were skateboarding for fun in in the off hours after your pizza delivery job, but now you get a little sponsorship and all you're doing is sitting there grinding ollies and doing
Progression and Sponsorship in Sports
01:10:16
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tricks. I mean, you're going to you're going to progress the sport to really...
01:10:21
Speaker
ah You have your limit, but then you like you pass the torch. Well, what's really gotten into it is money. And you look at how much money like Red Bull and Monster are pouring into these things. So a kid a kid couldn't make it. you can't like Even any general ski resort probably doesn't have the resources to make a a half pipe with a 30-foot wall or 25-foot wall without like a pipe cutting machine all that shit.
01:10:43
Speaker
But now there's just money pumping into these things as they become mainstream. And then people are like, all right, now we can make, we can do this. Cause it's like, what do you want to do? So they'll, they'll build, these guys will build their own pipe in the middle of fucking nowhere with a giant foam pit.
01:10:57
Speaker
And so they can, they can just go over this, like, you know, four flips, whatever inverted flips over and over and over again. And then, okay, that's the norm. But I get that, like some that progression because it is, you know, you do that yourself. Like you snowboard, remember it was like, oh, I did a 180, cool. Oh, I did a 360. But there's all this, there's a lot of shit where it's like, it's gotta be near death.
01:11:19
Speaker
I watched another video now, like last night, this guy that climbed the 14 highest peaks in the world. You seen that? It's called the the the Possible Mission or something, instead the Impossible or something like that. It's like a guy Nepal.
01:11:31
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I've seen it. Mimo, like it's like something like that, yeah. He's a Sherpa. I mean, I like his cause. He was like, people, all these Westerners, but like, take Sherpas up to Mount Everest, and they're just like, my Sherpa helped me, but they don't they don't they're like nameless people. And he's like, these are the real superstars. Yeah. Oh, God, yeah.
01:11:49
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, God, yeah. Have you heard have you heard of this dude, Killian Jornet? Jornet, maybe? He's the ultra runner? ah Maybe. Is he like, he does like 100 miles every three days or something stupid like that? Yeah, he's like ultra runner, mountaineer kind of guy. I mean...
01:12:06
Speaker
And it's hard for me to understand what's pushing people to to do that publicly. And maybe that's just because there's a marketplace for it. And, um you know, I think, don't you think he's probably like when you when you get these levels that people are probably a little ill?
01:12:24
Speaker
like have some sort of mental disorder because that that's just really fucked up shit that he's doing, like stuff that nobody should do. And maybe his physiioological physiology is like way better and he can just like do that stuff.
The Nature of Ultra Marathoning
01:12:37
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It's a combination of a freak of nature physically and mental illness. And then you get to be an ultra marathoner. Yeah, yeah. And then like the market for this stuff, I think is interesting for me. Um, you can't like a marathon seems to speak at pussy. Like a marathon is not, is like the most, but like the wimpiest thing you could do. You've, you've ran a marathon, right? It's like impossible.
01:13:02
Speaker
I, I, it's so bad. It's so bad. And, and people will say like, if you tell somebody these days, I'm going to run a marathon. It's like, shut the fuck up. Everybody runs a fucking, you're not, you're not ultra, huh? No, you're not. Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:15
Speaker
drop yeah thanks yeah um po ah But where does it end, I guess? It's like, so so it's like this, it's along the lines of the political stuff of there's how and extreme and rageful and insane it's getting. Like, where does this like never ending desire to eclipse du records and heights and death and, you know, or or fear,
01:13:38
Speaker
Does it end? I like this. This does tie in. Maybe this is your point, but ties definitely into we're talking about masculinity. Like it's being encouraged like David Goggins, who's who I don't know what that seems his salute. I never listened to him, so I shouldn't act like I could speak knowledge. But it seems like his solution for all life's problems is like.
01:13:57
Speaker
Just fucking quit being a pussy and run. Run 700 miles. yeah that's how you That's how you start a business. That's how you deal with divorce. That's how you, it's like, okay.
01:14:09
Speaker
It's being encouraged. Face your fears. You got to go rucking. If you
Escaping Pressures Through Sports
01:14:13
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don't carry a 300-pound backpack around, you're a pussy, and that's why you suck at parenting. like so it's all it's all tied together i i the guy the free solo guy and you're probably like dude free solo is like 10 years or something but he was talking about his mom her one of her sayings was if it's good enough it isn't or something that it's like yeah no i know yeah so he has in his head that like nothing's ever good enough so like there is a little of that but now it's like oh you don't just process that with a couple beers and like being a shitty husband
01:14:45
Speaker
Now you got to fucking free solo a 3,000-foot rock face. is is that Do you think that guy is like capable of having a partner?
01:14:55
Speaker
a life He has one, but he's, ah i mean, they show it. They make a point to show in the movie that he's kind of a mess. Yeah. There's one conversation where he's like, she's basically like, would you ever consider our relationship when you're considering these risky things? I think I remember that. yeah Yeah. He's like, he's like, no, he goes, no. Yeah. Super robotic. He just goes, no, I appreciate you worrying about it, but no, not at all. It wouldn't, I would never, I would never, like he says it's so brutally honest. You're like, that's a machine right there.
01:15:23
Speaker
ah pretty I mean, since he's he has such a high capacity to manage emotion and just sort of be in control, what kind of what kind of fuck do you think he is? Like, what kind of lay do you think he is? Is it just it's just business? Like, very basic? it's like It's got to be really pathetically boring.
01:15:43
Speaker
he's in I don't know if it ties into being a ah good at sex, but he's in pretty good shape. So, yeah, but just, just, just like, you know, the messiness of good sex and the like raw emotion is what I think carries it.
01:15:58
Speaker
That'd be funny if he was just like the most, that's the one area where he's just like, he's like, yeah, oh, oh, oh, That'd be funny. No, he's a black porn star. Yeah.
01:16:14
Speaker
yeah I don't know. id never I didn't, I wasn't thinking about that while I was watching that with my daughter, my son. What you have? What kind of lay he is? ah Here's the deal. But I was like, the girl's like, what are you thinking? or so It's like what are you what are you thinking? This is what this guy did. like, well, you can't be like, oh, I can't believe he's making these irrational decisions. It's like you met him at a book signing where he was signing some book about climbing stupid shit.
01:16:44
Speaker
Yeah. It's like, yeah. It's her fault. It's her fault, huh? Well, you can't, it's like, what do you think was going to happen? He's just going to be like, oh, right. That's his whole life.
01:16:55
Speaker
It's a woman's fault. Yeah. It's his whole life. Yeah. Yeah. But there's a combination here, dude. there's So there's that encouragement of like, you can you can face your challenges and overcome all this shit. Like people are making money marketing that and selling books and podcasts.
01:17:09
Speaker
And then there's what I like about all that is like instead of fucking ah tuning in like you you are, just get hyper focused on something stupid and don't and like and don't let any of that bother you because you're focused on your own thing. And so people are like, this is it. Like of all the bullshit of modern life.
01:17:30
Speaker
people are like, I got one thing, I'm an ultra runner and my whole life revolves around it. Or I'm a big wave surfer or a surfer, or I'm a fucking climber. And like, that's it. The guy fucking lives in a van. He did until she fucked it up and and they had to buy a fucking apartment. But like,
Balancing Hobbies and Expectations
01:17:46
Speaker
you know, I think that's just more, more like the answer to modern society for people is like, no, I'm not going down that path. It's too fucked up. And so I'm going to, I'm going to get, I'm going to do this stupid shit.
01:17:59
Speaker
Yeah, I don't agree. I'm not gonna go down that path of- You might not agree that that's the right way to do it, but that's what it is for some people. wow Well, to escape, yeah. Maybe they get into that stuff to escape.
01:18:11
Speaker
I just and just, very few of us though are gonna be that attached to a single hobby. I think a lot of people pretend they are and you know they force it.
01:18:23
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um But very few of us are gonna go all in. Yeah. So let's get back to that. We talked about what being a pussy is. ah Do you think that they're like us for not going all in ah You know, are the pussies or they are for not having like a balanced life?
01:18:40
Speaker
Because I mean, yesterday I was like, fuck, I told Sophia, man, I just want to fucking forget all this other shit and surf for like every day for a month. Like, and and really see how far I can take it and how good I can get and all that shit. Right. And like, but I wouldn't do it because I'm a fucking bitch because I got to go support my family. Right. Oh, no. That's the opposite.
01:19:00
Speaker
Yeah. So who's the pussy? Do you think they're pussies were just admitting like, yeah, i'm obsessed with this and I'm and I'm just going for it or like like or do you think that's as bad as the meathead? they're What are they? They're covering up for other shit. So like, I'm just going to keep running.
01:19:14
Speaker
No, I don't know. I don't know. And I think they all are driven by different things. and Don't deflect, Lance. No, you couldn't judge it. You couldn't judge it. I'll just say for myself, like when I go on a bike ride and I'm fit and I look like somebody who might cycle and I have a $350 bike, a piece of shit. Like I literally have a piece of shit and I'm out there a lot on this piece of crap. And one would...
01:19:41
Speaker
probably wonder in this society, like, why don't you upgrade? Why don't you get something better? Why don't you like dial it in and improve and like kick ass and go faster? And I'm just not interested in that.
01:19:53
Speaker
that's not clothing That's not what biking is about for me. And I think
Obsession with Hobbies
01:19:57
Speaker
that the masculine view would be to say, well, what what is it about this that I like and what why am I doing it? And can I find sort of the right balance? That to me is what, how would describe toughness in that sense. Like I imagine these weirdos, there's something about climbing that like is their essence that they're not necessarily driven by something or so or are capitalistic.
01:20:25
Speaker
I just think that most of us don't need to go all in. I get the idea, though, that climbing is like surfing where it encompasses like every possible thing that you you could engage you. And because of that, it can be highly addictive. And if you're good at it, then it might never happen. that. You know you can see you're in nature. You're getting your exercise. your bot You're like having problem solving. and like I could see where it would be highly addictive. I can kind of see that. Maybe more so about climbing than surfing. But there are some sports where you're either in shape.
01:20:53
Speaker
and ah mentally ready to do it or you're not and climbing is definitely one like you you just don't fucking roll up and free solo something and you know after fucking having a bender of TGI Fridays you know you don't do that surfing similar like getting out into tough waves no fucking way if you're you're out of shape we went up to um we went up to um Like this climbing wall here, like, and I think I went up, I climbed up three times, I think like a, ah you know, like a 50 foot wall. I don't know what's an indoor climbing wall, 40 feet or whatever.
01:21:28
Speaker
And literally like having had no function in my forearms for like five days. Just like complete. Right. Couldn't pick shit up. It's so, it's so hard. But I i bet you if you went like five days in row, you'd probably be like, okay, it's fine. It's just never used these muscles.
01:21:42
Speaker
It's so, it's so hard. It's, it's insane. yeah But I was like, this is awesome. But ah yeah, I don't, I don't know. Like the, the thing of it's got to face death, but I definitely could, I definitely could turn into one of those people, think.
01:21:57
Speaker
Well, what's the, ba in your whole life, what's the number one thing you went the most all in on and pushed yourself? ah
01:22:10
Speaker
I don't know. I'm probably not that good at that. You mean like my this business or war or standup or sports, you mean? Yeah, exactly. Anything, yeah. I mean, I get- Your marriage?
01:22:21
Speaker
Nah. It's good. i it's what I was going to say this earlier, like it is relative though, because like people probably think you're an extreme, not case, extreme workout guy. like It's all relative. and and one thing that's pretty funny when I think back of my marriage,
01:22:37
Speaker
my wife would always be like, well, just cause you're so into extreme shit. And I know it would be like, let's go hiking for like a mile or something like that. I'm not into extreme stuff like you. And I'd be like, it dream extreme yeah, it's just like a a silly, if we were still together, it'd be like a, ah you know, some joke we'd have were barbecuing with our friends or something, but you know, but then it turned into,
01:23:00
Speaker
a breaking point to ruin a marriage and two kids lives. But it was funny at the time, but it's like, it is relative. So it's like, ah, you know, she'd be like, you're fucking obsessed with this. You're obsessed with surfing. She like, if she, if you ask her that question, she might, or my son was always like, what why, what's with the exercise all the time? Why don do we always have to exercise? So I would say like,
01:23:22
Speaker
Surfing, it's like it's also not just actually doing it, but like there's some that's clearly occupying your mind in the background. So other people are like, well, you're not here right now because you're thinking about stand-up all the time or your next gig. So stand-up, definitely, but not as much as I wanted to.
01:23:39
Speaker
Surfing, like I have all these things where like I would have liked to push it harder, but I don't. So i feel like maybe I am the pussy, but I'm like, well, I have responsibilities. Well, which one was it? had to tell about music, right?
01:23:52
Speaker
For about two years, yeah. it's just like It was everything. And the obsession was real. like Anyone could see it. you know it was Especially as I was digging myself out of ah childhood having no experience with music.
01:24:06
Speaker
like I didn't have any skills. And so for two years, the obsession was... oh I mean, it could be a work day where I had to get up at like 6.30 in the morning and I'd be still in that room just fucking grinding till 2 a.m. to try to get a lyric or a song chord right. And the neighbors are like kicking the wall. And I mean, I'd just be like locked in trying to to develop this skill.
01:24:33
Speaker
which I have since like let go and, and lost, but whatever. Yeah. I mean,
Rationality of Extreme Sports
01:24:38
Speaker
uh, there are moments of that and that's probably the biggest thing, but I, it still wasn't anything near an ultra runner type obsession.
01:24:46
Speaker
I don't know. Like but I get a little, not like those guys, but like if I'm into something at the time, then I'm like, what's the kind of what I'm into? Like right now I don't feel like playing basketball at all, but I'm kind of like, yeah, kind of enjoying like working out or running.
01:24:59
Speaker
Yeah, and but that moment that's different than like, I'm going to work my way up and surfing to where I'm like, hitting the squalls off the coast of Australia, whatever, during the storm season.
01:25:13
Speaker
Those are, make you're going to make a career out of it or whatever. Some of that's age related, like you don't even have the- At 49. Yeah, it's not a possibility. But people are still that way.
01:25:26
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as they get older and it might be like day trading or something like that where they just obsess and and they can't turn it off. That's a trait, but I don't see you as that, man. I see you enjoying surfing as an escape.
01:25:43
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Yeah, I just, the obsession is like, oh, i think I could probably get pretty good if I had put the, if I was able to put the time into it. Because I can see when I go like two or three days in a row, like, oh, this feels good. That feels good. Outside of the idea of being a little older and then two days in a row, like, oh, I'm little sore. But ah yeah, there there's that.
01:26:02
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But but i might I might find the limit in it where I'm like, okay, I've done it. Because I'm not trying to get to the fucking... you know, some crazy wave somewhere or anything. So maybe I'll find a limit in it, but I won't enjoy it as much. I mean, you definitely will.
01:26:17
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and I'm ah like, I mean, the point, I guess, in terms of this show is like, you're not proving your masculinity by like taking surfing to, to the extreme for, you know, or taking it up 10 notches.
01:26:30
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You know, you're you're doing it to the level you enjoy it. That's how I treat bicycling or whatever I'm doing. Yeah, I wonder if that's what that is. It's this expression of masculinity or what they perceive it to be. So they're like, got keep got to do something harder. It makes me a better man than the next guy. Maybe it's masculine, but I think it's probably just mental illness.
01:26:54
Speaker
Mental illness. Like what makes men go so far beyond... what's safe and reasonable. I don't know. I don't know what that is. I think maybe you don't have the same attachment to connections to family. I can't say, i don't, I'd be curious to understand their psychology, but you know, if I had a partner that loved me and was worried and I'm out there doing some hundred foot wave where the risk of drowning is extremely high, that seems, know, it seems irrational. It seems a little mentally ill.
01:27:31
Speaker
what if she met you after you were already a big wave surfer is that on her she was signing up for it uh yeah but like let's say now we had a kid and like i'm out there doing that and uh yeah it's still odd it's odd and it's different than something that's mission based if you're a fighter pilot in the military and that's the job you're doing there's definitely risk there you are an astronaut but like
01:28:00
Speaker
You have a choice with- There's a lot of risky risk out there in the world. There is a lot of risk, but like that that's extreme risk. Turn that shit off, dude. What the fuck? Somebody's pumping me. Someone's sending me
Betting Apps and Obsession
01:28:12
Speaker
bets, dude.
01:28:13
Speaker
Oh, is it? To bet. Oh, really? Yeah, so I can send them to my mom so she can place the bets for us in the US. They're saying the prediction markets, dude, are going to kill the betting the betting apps.
01:28:24
Speaker
Did you hear that? Like Polymarket? noticed that when I was there. There's advertisements it. Yeah. I'm like, what is that crap? That's what you were talking about, right? I can't turn this off. There's no, so the sound's not on. Why?
01:28:36
Speaker
Oh, wait. think, let's see. Let's see if that does it. mean, I can't turn not going to use stupid phone. Because I'm so unplugged, bro. I can't turn off my obsession for surfing or my phone volume.
01:28:51
Speaker
I can turn it off. I can start a business in St. Louis and turns it off right quick. I wish I could get obsessed about something like that. Business?
01:29:04
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Yeah, or this podcast, for example, or any where you're like, I will die, i will die with like, before I let this thing not have a billion followers. If we wanted to, we could make this good.
01:29:16
Speaker
The problem with making it good is- We have to be kind of psycho about it though. You have to be psycho, but it also would constrain you're the freedom. The freedom to meander and the freedom to actually suck, honestly. It's like,
Podcast Success and Obsession
01:29:31
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we don't put any thought into this. Like every day, it's just trying to make it dope.
01:29:34
Speaker
But yeah, anyway, I was gonna ask, when you got the um separated, never getting divorced, but separated, did you ramp up the masculinity stuff?
01:29:46
Speaker
I start doing squats and playing more hoops. oh i don't You think that's ramping up the masculinity? Well, you you need to fill your time, I think, too, but also like you do need to probably like pay attention to how you look if now the the dynamics in your life have changed such that like there is a future point where you're wanting to attract a partner.
01:30:13
Speaker
You know what saying? Like I could see myself if I got divorced, getting in the gym a little more hardcore and making sure the buys were popping. i was I don't think I was doing that.
01:30:25
Speaker
ah but ah But I mean, i i yeah, I started working out and stuff, but I don't think I was doing like buys and shit. and don't I'm trying to think of that because I got kind of skinny back then.
01:30:37
Speaker
Was I working out anymore? I'd already been working out. but yeah No, but I wasn't like – I think people probably do like, I'm going to to gym and I'm to look great. and then That didn't really happen. But I was just like – I don't know. You're kind of lost. You're kind of spinning. So you might like some like ultra running or fucking intense workouts is probably good you know because you're just like lost in time and you're like – gives you something to do. But I but i don't think I was like... ah Yeah, extreme.
01:31:05
Speaker
Like, go on, yeah. All right. so Well, let's wrap this thing. well What
Advice on True Masculinity
01:31:11
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advice would you give to a ah man who's stuck in how to express himself in today's society?
01:31:17
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how to How to be an appealing, masculine man, but not fake about it?
01:31:25
Speaker
but The only thing that this is going to sound real cheesy, but like the only thing you really need to do is like be real. And that should take every... like you know If you're putting up a front, either way, over-masculine or under-emotioned or over-emotioned, all that shit, it's probably going to come off as...
01:31:42
Speaker
Like, no one, does anyone, who like, see someone who see who appears to be crazy masculine, whatever, whatever they're trying to do, you're probably not like, ah, that's that's that guy's a man. well Is there a line, though? dude Because, like, if you just roll in.
01:31:58
Speaker
Nah, if you roll in and, like, you're driving a piece of shit car, you're I don't just fucking care about cars, and you're in your you have some dumpy clothes, and you're like, i don't fucking care about clothes. I'm just keeping it real. ah That's me. I know, do you? described.
01:32:12
Speaker
Do you maybe meet people in a you know non-standard way in that case and just continue to be real? Or do you actually turn off the spigot of potential poontang because you're not willing to like do some basic societal things because you you just want to be you?
01:32:32
Speaker
Well, there's but even in that, you might just be like, I don't care about that stuff and that's real. Or you might just be... you know, sort of trying too hard because I know, yeah I know plenty people that actually like cars. They're not like, I got to show off my fucking beam. and they're just like, they love yeah cars. Yeah.
01:32:47
Speaker
Bring that. and And I'm like, okay, that's cool. You can tell pretty quickly when someone's like doing it for external reasons and not internal. So like part of being an adult or a man or whatever you want to call it's like being true to yourself. Yeah.
01:33:03
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and and turning off all news cycles. Well, I agree with you for once. turn off cut to Cut. I just fucking told everyone subliminally to unplug from everything. Let's do one. and
Humorous Conclusion: Trump and Greenland
01:33:16
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Don't care about Minnesota. Remember when we first started this, we did headlines.
01:33:20
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Let's do one from ya Yahoo. Do you have one? Let's do one from Yahoo Finance.
01:33:28
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Trump links Greenland threat to noble snub. What the fuck? President Trump has linked his rationale for wanting to purchase Greenland with the fact that he didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize.
01:33:43
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Makes sense to me. That you can't be like, oh, he's crazy. That's just rational.
01:34:00
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