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Season 5- Episode 27- Red Mist Strikes Again (Premiership Round 19 & Super Rugby Round 2)
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It's another episode from those American rugby knuckleheads. On this week's episode we are looking back at the many lopsided victories in either hemisphere, but also the tight ones including the action at the A.J. Bell (spoiler alert, we aren't happy for many reasons). Of course, we discuss all the stuff happening for the Super Round in Melbourne including the unfortunate actions of a good player that saw the red mist a bit too much. It's all this, so much more, kick back, have a drink and come along for the ride with us!
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Promotion
00:00:02
Speaker
It is The Fantasy Europeans. My name is Jared Dyke. I wanted to say it's stupid and let's move on, but then you kept going. I'm Ben Glauser. I don't like any way anybody handled that. Collusion. Collusion.
00:00:27
Speaker
Hey, everybody. Welcome back. It is the fancy rugby, Inc. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauser. Let's go, buddy. We got not as much to talk about as we will next week, but still plenty. And it's beer poppin' time. A little bit. It is beer o'clock. Beer poppin' time. Find us on your favorite podcast app. Share us there. Download rate review. Feedback always welcome. Always welcome. Even on YouTube.
00:00:57
Speaker
when it turns out to be feedback. Yeah, even if it is really feedback.
Cryptic Feedback on Wales
00:01:05
Speaker
That was to be to be we've been cryptic about that in the past, but I think at this point we can. Reveal that it was about us. Certainly underrating whales. Yeah, six nations. That's why we haven't been wrong, right? I think that's one for poorly aged things.
00:01:26
Speaker
Yeah, did not age well and they've been pretty pure, at least. So yeah, please, we welcome your thought. And look, if you get us on something, we'll make fun of ourselves about it. Don't worry about that. Totally. Don't worry about that. Who said that stupid opinion? Some guy over there.
00:01:51
Speaker
yeah it was me that's that's the type of stuff we'll do don't worry about it right do not worry i will i'm like and and put this put it this way i'm still excited because my uh my prediction for six nations is still alive for another couple days we'll see yeah we'll see what happens we'll see what happens anywho so
Rugby Competitions and International Women's Day
00:02:11
Speaker
Make sure that you get our good friend, George, the fancy rugby geek, a coffee or beer, another busy weekend for him and us. We got all three comps going, but last, this will be the last weekend that happened. So we can start to breathe the sigh of relief and still be a little bit of hard work going forward because we have, we'll still have either super rugby and prem or super rugby and champions cup, but that's okay.
00:02:33
Speaker
although is there really prim rugby going on this weekend without Saracen's? I don't know. Some people would disagree with that. Anyway. Hear the sound of applauding. I can hear people just screaming at you and reaching through the microphone to get you, buddy. I'm in a shit-storming mood. You are indeed, it seems. Indeed you are.
00:03:00
Speaker
Speaking of shitstorming, so tomorrow is International Women's Day. There is no discrimination here on this podcast, or should there be in life or in sports? And we caught the All Blacks with their pants down last year. Seems that we caught Irish rugby with theirs down this year. Yeah.
00:03:23
Speaker
There was whistleblowing. And one of the important things about whistleblowers is that they deserve protection. And to me, it's unconscionable that Clea Maloney is being denied her rightful spot on the Irish national team. And I know it's a rightful spot, blah, blah, blah. OK.
00:03:47
Speaker
I guess they picked what, the third string hooker at her club? I'm not sure where she plays exactly. Right, but still. Even still. She's the starter and she is the best hooker in Ireland.
00:04:07
Speaker
And she is only 29. There's no reason for her not to be in the in the Six Nations squad. She should be, you know, one of the team leaders going into the World Cup. I know it's a couple of years away still, but not that far, what, two years at this point? We'll be there quick. Yeah. Like to sacrifice that just because she had the the audacity to speak up about a situation that was wrong and that you rectified it like that. Well, you can't you
00:04:36
Speaker
I don't think many people can point to the to a reason that she's not in the squad besides that. And that is, for lack of a better term, bullshit. Yeah, it's major bullshit. Yeah, people are we need to fix this. And and when you have people that thought situations like, you know, the shitty situation for the women in Ireland, the shitty situation for the women in Wales, like when you have that and you're called on it,
00:05:04
Speaker
Pest up or just be called a coward, basically, because you are. And then when the curtain gets pulled back and people wonder who's at fault for the whole thing, probably gonna be at your feet, so have fun. Enjoy your shitty rest of your life because people are just gonna hate your guts for a long time.
00:05:24
Speaker
Yeah and that's the thing like so one of the things I consider is like people are like would you rather meet your descendants or your ancestors and it's like always descendent so that you can be the oh shit he's from that era rather than going back and be like oh holy shit all my people were terrible racists.
00:05:47
Speaker
Like be the person that your grandkids and great grandkids won't be ashamed of. And the decision to take her off the squad is not one of those. That's the wrong choice. Hopefully they rectify this within the first week of them playing and it's still wrong, but
00:06:14
Speaker
if enough people get the hint, hopefully they fixed it. Or if the team play suffers and it's like, you know what, we can't. Which may well, because that's a critical position. Because also if I'm coaching them, I'm like, what the fuck? Get her on my team. I want her. There's not many. Don't handcuff me. Right. That couldn't use her too. So it's not like she's a very handy player. Yes.
00:06:42
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someone that should be on, on, on a six nation squad. Absolutely. And yeah, this is what happens when you discriminate. It is. What is this?
Patreon and Upcoming Episodes
00:06:55
Speaker
Make sure that you grab our Patreon. We have,
00:06:59
Speaker
We are cooking on the super rugby sheet. Boom bus will be up tomorrow. Yeah. And the sheet should be up tomorrow. Yeah. She'll be up tomorrow. So keep your eyes peeled for that. So if you're listening to this, the odds are one of them's up, if not both. Probably. Well, it depends on when you listen. Depending on when you listen to me. If you're in the UK, no, obviously. But yeah. Yeah.
00:07:28
Speaker
by the end of the day or when you wake up on Thursday, it'll be there. Doug wants his podcast appearance. Absolutely. Doug should get involved. What's up bud? We encourage that. So on our itinerary, but I do want to bring it up. We are slowly climbing towards episode 200.
00:07:47
Speaker
two hundos. Yeah. Wow. We got, we got there. So yeah, of course we'll do something somewhat special. I think we're, we're toying with the idea of bringing on our boss ladies, our significant others, because I'm sure they'll provide a perspective about what we do that nobody else necessarily gets with the exception of the few and far between. So yeah, I think that we'll do something like that.
00:08:15
Speaker
And it'll be, it'll be a good, either way, we'll, we'll have a fun time. Right. Have a good time. Yes. 200 damn. Yeah. Right. So I said, that's what I said. That's what I said.
Rugby Matches: Bristol, Bath, Leicester
00:08:28
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Okay. Let's go to the prep. Let's get the, let's get rolling on this.
00:08:32
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There's some matches we don't need to spend a lot of time on in both leagues. So, Ashton Gates... I got all kinds of time for Bristol Saints. I mean, you do, but like, do we really need to spend that much time on this one? No, that was just a thorough, thorough ass-kicking all around. It was. Hey, you want to play the Bears right now? I mean, if that's what they're going to do, no, nobody does. They need to...
00:09:02
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That's probably one of the best slaps they've been able to put out for a while too, which is helpful. Obviously, you know, they don't have Sinclair and Gens, but everybody else is kind of first choice. Yeah, they could even get better. That's the scary part. Yeah. So. But this is three weeks in a row now, not that they've and.
00:09:21
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by that, like, yeah, no, not putting up 60 points. That's obviously not what I'm talking about. And even against Saracens, I thought they played pretty, pretty damn well. It was just Saris outsarism, you know, back four weeks ago. So. Right. You know, they they they.
00:09:36
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beat the crap out of the Falcons three weeks ago. They did a job against Bath on the road, you know, last year, but got there. It's ugly. Yeah. But you got to, you know, you got to win those ugly matches, too. And then there's this and it's just keeps building off of itself. And yeah, they're they're they're they're scary at the moment. Yeah. This wasn't this wasn't the worst team, the saint to put out.
00:10:06
Speaker
they've put out worse, but they've also, also there's, there's a lot that you can point out and they, and they won't make the excuse, but
00:10:13
Speaker
You know, Tom James, it sounds like he's the preferred nine. That's not named Alex Mitchell at the club. So that's, that's big. Truck has not been healthy much this season, which has been really hindering their performances. I think, especially in this match in particular, when they needed some front football and somebody to be able to just bust a couple of tackles and get over the game line now and again, and they really didn't have it. Years from Sam Graham was not what they were looking for.
00:10:39
Speaker
No. And Cole's left early. That was unhelpful. And yeah, that was that left it to Hinckley and Wilkins like, yeah, no, no, no. And Scott Young, who I thought played all right. But he played OK, but yeah, no, no, no, no. And no Rabbi in this, obviously. So yeah, that's that's the other one, obviously laws. And yeah, there's a lot to say that, yeah, they don't have it. And they should they should have had Freeman in this one. And he's been he's banged up. So that's no good. And we're we're slight home again, banged up.
00:11:08
Speaker
Okay, so they would not be checking out George Hendy if they had slave home. Yeah No way. No way. They'd stick Collins at fullback or watch it fullback and Rearrange it somehow. Yeah Proctor's not healthy. I don't think so. That's that's unhelpful as well just a litany of issues, but at the same time
00:11:29
Speaker
At the same time, you're a top 14. Yeah, you need to find ways to get points out of this, and they got none. Right. Eight points? No. Not enough. Not enough. So it's a credit to, obviously, at one point, Saints probably were just like, fuck, we're screwed. And Bristol's defense didn't necessarily need to play the same level. But in the first half, they certainly played to that level that they needed to to stifle a very good attack, which has shown to be able to
00:11:58
Speaker
Some moments of plug and play. Mm hmm. This is not it. No. And then it brings it brings the other question. Speaking of defense. How long until Northampton go finding a new defensive coach that's been bubbling at the surface, but I think this has to I. Sounds like an offseason thing like they're not going to do it in season. And that's probably the right thing. They don't have enough time at this point. What's the what's the point?
00:12:26
Speaker
Bring someone else to help at least then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I, I just share this defense up a little bit and they are definitely a top 14 right now. It's, it's anybody's game. Yep.
00:12:47
Speaker
But yeah, that's there's, there's a lot and we'll get to him in a little bit, but yeah, Bristol are definitely, it's weird from, from the team that was in the basement a couple of weeks ago to now they are. You know, two weeks potentially away from top four and like, you know, it's crazy. It is wild. It is rather, rather ridiculous to think about in many ways. We'll skip over to Saturday. Cause that's enough of that. We can talk about.
00:13:17
Speaker
how well all the bears played because most of them played pretty well. But yeah, we could also just keep moving and not get stuck on anything. Yeah, let's move on. Yeah, let's let we have to we can't not say the words Charles Pietow. But then there you go. Done. And there's a lot more to talk for them. But again, you know, they played out of their minds. You know, one to 15 to 23. So. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, let's go to welfare road. Yeah, let's.
00:13:49
Speaker
Again, disappointing from Bath in a lot of ways. Well, it got away from him early and they never recovered, especially with that double yellow card period. Yeah, that was not advisable. No, they were just they were getting penalized the whole match. It felt like. I can tell you this team stats were in a second. I feel like they were. Maybe I'm thinking of a different a different match at this point because I don't have my 13 to 10.
00:14:20
Speaker
Yeah. So they were the only two. Yeah, they were the only team with the yellow card, though. Right. Obviously. And because I think it was didn't they just they just kept getting penalized. And what was the because the the done was the team was a team yellow, essentially. Yes. I recall correctly. What did McNally do? Is that a
00:14:40
Speaker
Nope. Duns was cynical. McNally's was a team one. Okay. Duns was cynical. It was right on the goal line and he did something silly. Okay. Knocked the ball away or something. I was like, yeah, that's not very smart of you, is it? Uh, and then, and yeah, McNally's was an accumulation, I think. Right. Cause it was at a pen try. No, it wasn't. No, I was just wondering about that. No, it wasn't. So anyway, point being, wasn't off. Wasn't, wasn't awesome. Yeah. You know,
00:15:10
Speaker
We'll talk about Lester in a second. I at least have a, if I didn't appreciate him enough, I do have a great appreciation for how Ben Spencer has tried to just pull this team along and do everything within his power to be like, let's not be a complete pile of garbage. Right. Let's not be a complete shit show. Let's like, right. Come on now. You know, all that, that leadership skill that Eddie wanted him to build and show, he's showing it.
00:15:38
Speaker
Yeah. And it's, it's been tough. And I am, I'm unconvinced by what I don't see what's going on with Van Grannen is probably some sort of master plan that I'm not seeing. So I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. It's only been a season, but I'm just not understanding what's happening. Like, and the.
00:16:01
Speaker
The refusal, and I credit Lester because they refused to fall into Bath's game of trying to carry the kick and get nabbed by someone chasing. They just kept sending it back. But the problem with the Bath kicks was they were all going somewhere where they were fieldable by the tired players. So I was like, if that's if your strategy is to not playing your half, you got to land it on grass somewhere, at least. So and to that end, like the
00:16:31
Speaker
The kicking there's that, you know, that stat from what was it last year? I guess that was about, you know, the teams that kicked them for the most meters or the most kick, the most kick, the most period, like, and it's, that's not, that's too. Lat a stat. There's no depth to it. No. And like now they're talking to, there is a lot more talk about, okay, where are they kicking to? Are they kicking to space? Is the ball hitting, hitting grass, or is it landing right in opposition hands? Cause that that's not where you want it to be. So it's not just.
00:17:00
Speaker
That you're kicking and I think too many coaches that are that are just chasing trends because that's that's what happens. Right. Don't consider the the real meat of it and like, OK, what are they? How are they using the kick effectively? What's what is good versus what's just a kick to kick? And Bath are still in that we're just going to kick kind of mode. Not awesome. It doesn't help that Bailey is there 10 that and he's he's he's young and then you're going to have to deal with shit like that.
00:17:27
Speaker
Yeah, and I'd rather they play him than Pierce Francis. Yeah, exactly. You have to have these growing pains. They don't become successful tens unless they have games like this. Right. He'll come again. Also, one last thing on Beth's side.
00:17:41
Speaker
When I when I was telling you about how, you know, there's whatever that I think I was telling you that before, as you didn't get to see it, there were injuries and it's like, but you could go down that roster and say, OK, three bath players get hurt. Tell me which ones they are. And you know what? If you had five guesses, you'd probably get all three of them. Yeah. And that's to me problematic that you have the same guys getting hurt over and over again. You rush them back and they get hurt again. Let's see if you could see a Barbary were the first two that came to mind.
00:18:11
Speaker
Underhill and under hell those the other ones. I know there's one more. Yes under hell so and all back row all players and well Stewart got hurt. Yeah, he did Only recently his is only recently though. It's yeah, he's been mostly healthy. Yeah, he's been Recently though as you're saying yeah, he's been um Ben's dying a banged up here and there and like I
00:18:36
Speaker
Underhill and I realized that's a concussion that I'm scared for him. Honestly, at this point, there's too many getting up there. Did you bring back Barbary? He's gonna might be he might be gone for the year. It's like, wow, brought him back for about four minutes. Let's see came on 37 left at 47. So 10 minutes. Yeah, fuck.
00:18:56
Speaker
like little little shame on the Tigers crowd that booed him for trying to give it a go and then going down again. Like, yeah, give the guy a fucking break. Don't be a bunch of assholes. I realize some of you are probably a little bit fish naked, but like bag. Yeah. Come on. That that if he ever can stay healthy, he could eventually help your England team. So chill the fuck out and just let the guy try because he hasn't played forever. So I don't blame him for trying to stand up and give it a whirl. Yeah, it happens.
00:19:26
Speaker
Shut happens, but for the tigers, where on the scale, in what tier, obviously definitely top two, does Julia Montoya live in top hookers in the world? Okay.
00:19:51
Speaker
What is it? There might be some that are as good as him. There's no one better. Right. I think that's a fair statement. Like he's.
00:20:04
Speaker
You know, I mean, that though he was booking in the loose and and it wasn't just a mall over try. That's the thing. There's a lot of a lot of of bookers and George McGuigan is, is, is the king of it who are excellent and that's a skill and not I'm not belittling it. There's a skill to it, but
00:20:24
Speaker
It's also a lot your teammates like all you have to do is ride that mall in and flop it down. Yeah, there's you can fuck it up pretty well. Yeah, even even good hookers. So it's not I'm not trying to belittle it. But there are some that that's really their. You know, impact on the game, and maybe they might get a little bit of a loose, but fucking scoring from 20 meters, you know, running past the backs. No, no easy feat for a front row. So no, that that's just
00:20:54
Speaker
That's good shit right there. Yeah, he's been silly good for them. And I think, I think the way that Lester played most recently speaks to how much they missed Andre Pollard to start the year because they've been very, very good since he's become healthy and been playing consistently. So really, you got to wonder where would they be if they had had him for
00:21:19
Speaker
Yeah, the majority of the season would more likely be in top four. They still have a shot at it. You can't roll them out. He's just been very good, solid off the tee, putting in the good tactical kicks and not just kicking for kicking sake. And he's got what, three, four tries already? Something like that? Hot damn. Hard to argue with it.
00:21:44
Speaker
So I create him and turns into a good signing by Lester. What else is new? Yeah. And I would also, before we move on, I'd like to welcome back Harry Wells. Good to see you, mate. It's been a while. You're back on the planet. Good for you, bud. Yeah. That was an excellent try, he scored. Don't get me wrong. But what was it? That was his first try since September 21. Like he just fell off.
00:22:13
Speaker
like mid season last year and for after like a year and a half of really good rugby, it's been kind of the opposite. So if he's back, fuck.
00:22:23
Speaker
Yeah. If he comes for him, then they'll be, they'll be dangerous. That's even more of a problem that they, they have here. Once they get, once they get chess and back and all that shit. Yeah. Right. Oh yeah. At least we don't, we don't play. We don't have to play them until a final. We got, yeah, we got six, we got six points off of them. That's that's enough. All right. Let's go to Twickenham.
Harlequins and Exeter's Performance
00:22:51
Speaker
Um, why can't, first off, why can't every rugby match have this kind of presentation to it? And I'm not, not so much, you know, yeah, maybe even the DJing, whatever, but the, um, the pyrotechnics and the, the, the, the event that it was made, um, that should be like, that should.
00:23:11
Speaker
be a thing like that do try that more often than not though you got to give quince credit they like when we were there in the fall they were definitely trying that so right i think they're one of the better teams at it so loads of credit to them and their and their background staff and their and their support staff and their front office and all that um lots going on there that nobody knows a whole lot about other than what they see on the tv so loads of credit to them and
00:23:39
Speaker
They're they're play matched. It certainly did. They put up some fucking fireworks. Yes, for sure. And I, you know, it's. Number one, I want to call right now, Exeter, I'm not making the playoffs. And if I get if I have to eat my hat, I'll eat my hat. But they're not making that playoffs. I don't think you have to worry about that. It's. It's too much of the people know this team right now.
00:24:07
Speaker
and they're just, it's very solvable. It's like stop their big ball carriers in, you know, in tight and just chase, you know, chase the old fucks that are out wide. Like, you know, sorry, no, it wasn't beating you anywhere. Like we've talked about. No, no, that this week. Okay. Cool. He bold people over. Didn't put him at center and stuff. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. He put, put him in there instead of eating with him. Put him at 13. That would have been, that would have probably done you more good because you have
00:24:46
Speaker
Cool, you saw what was an easy read and you went two feet with it. Right, you're still behind their line and they're still like, oh, well, let's go catch you now. And you're like, well, OK, I guess some caught right here. Like, how is that fucking faster? Yeah, no, no. So that's that's not happening. And with. I just don't see what reinforcements are coming back for them.
00:24:55
Speaker
yeah you have a good a quality hey when you had that that intercept very early on was fucking handed to him.
00:25:11
Speaker
Nothing. Well, this is, you know, that was... Slade? That was their top team. Slade, that's it. And he's not that... I know, I said he's not that good. He doesn't make that much of an impact. I don't think, you know, he wouldn't make this impact. And LCD is down. That's it. Right. That's it. I mean, you have Chunzi, you have Sam Simmons. There's nobody else who's at the...
00:25:36
Speaker
at the England level that you're not going to have Sam Simmons this weekend either. So he's in the team, right? He was in that that practice squad. Yeah. I sent to you. No, I sent you the actual.
00:25:49
Speaker
squad for the weekend. I think he was on it. No, he's not on it. No, he's released. So they'll have him this weekend. So they'll have him. And just, and he didn't really, he wasn't really that like, so you look at the players who are really need to put their hands up right now for the national squad and
00:26:12
Speaker
We'll talk about Marcus in a second, but he's on there. Caden Murley's on there. And then on the other side, it's really like Sam Simmons, and maybe Noel, if he really wants it, but no. If you're taking anybody from that back three, it's going to be Hodge. And you're throwing him away. But Sam Simmons didn't himself zero favors. Wasn't as impressive as he's been. Yeah.
00:26:38
Speaker
12 tackles which is great 11 carries but for 10 meters. Yeah, he's, there's no other that the thing is they're the teams have figured out their threats and they know who they are right now it's the Josh Hodge show in the back line, and, and Sam Simmons up front and there's nobody else I can really lighten the load. I thought vermule and actually played fairly well.
00:26:58
Speaker
I will take a crap on him when given the chance, but I thought he played fairly well, so I'll give him some credit. The blueprint to beating Exeter is this. When you're stuck in your own end, you put the ball into their end,
00:27:16
Speaker
You just make a couple tackles and they'll kick it back to you. And then you try attacking wide again and you might do all right. And if you don't, well, then you just keep winning the field position battle that way, you know, cause you're going to gain meters. They like going backwards in, um, when they hold the ball and then, you know, what to phase or two and they'll kick it to you. It's not that they're really not that complex. Right. And you.
00:27:39
Speaker
And then you have, and you have a good attack with obviously Marcus in charge and, you know, event on form. He could be a world leader. Like, no, I don't think, I don't think anybody would doubt that. He managed this game. So like, that's, you know, we talk about game managers being like a, uh,
00:27:58
Speaker
Yeah, but it's not it's like no they take what's there and they do the right thing at the right time Mm-hmm. Fuck. That's all he did and you just rolled up 40 points on him. Yeah, it's seemingly just looked like he was in Not neutral, but just like just not not even in that next gear and he still figured out ways to Yeah, get this team to click
00:28:21
Speaker
It looked effortless, which doesn't mean, I mean, obviously it's effortful, but it wasn't like he was trying, he wasn't pressing. He wasn't doing some Finn Russell type shit where he's like, I just figured I'd try something. He was doing things with a plan every single time and it worked really well. He executed extremely well. Yep. And oh man, the Murley try. Oh, just one end to the other. Why not? Let's go.
00:28:51
Speaker
Oh, certainly. The chip was just his vision. So great. Like that ship is just wow. I can't.
00:29:01
Speaker
I'm going to stop because I'm going to lose my mind. It was just so good. Yeah. And then the freaking here's and this is more of a more of a dummy on Exeter. Like the pass to try was both those outside players fault. It was freaking. Yeah. On Woodburn and Witten both. And the supposedly Witten's this like smart defender. OK, he got one read right early on and then completely fucked it up and just kind of screwed it like.
00:29:28
Speaker
If that's your, if that's what you're going to be doing the whole time, like screwing up easy reads.
00:29:35
Speaker
You know, even Bassett coming around the corner should have been either Woodburn or his, and then the other one takes the, who's outside him, David, I think. That should be something that you see on film and say, all right, this is what's probably gonna happen, or this could happen, and if it happens, I have him, you have him. And that's something you have to communicate ahead of time. And even then, as it happens, read it!
00:29:59
Speaker
read it and be there and understand who's there. And then, you know, on the outside, of course, the only person to fucking be is Jack Knoll. We know he's not going to be catching Bassett anytime soon. No. And there was only 20 years to go, but still he's still it could have been 50 and he wouldn't have caught him. Right. And Bassett was like, really, that you just let me do that like after I was trying to. So easy. He just ran around the corner.
00:30:19
Speaker
You just ran around the corner. I'm going to run around your defense. That is one of the worst things that can happen to a regular defense. Just get run around. And Bess, it's not a lightning bolt by any means whatsoever. If it's from Louis Risamit, OK, fair. Bess, it's not that fast. Like, come on, man. It's just it's poor overall. And if this is if this is the extra team that shows up every other week, forget it. They're fucked. Play it simple. I'm not. I'm not.
00:30:45
Speaker
I'm really not worried about them. No, and I don't know that they're going to make Champions Cup next year. Yeah, there's only a few. They're still doing the fucking eight teams, so they'll be fine, probably. Well, Bristol passing. They get easy and Bristol. I mean, really, I think it's between Exeter and Gloucester at this point, depending on who shits the bed worse. True. True, true. Because Bristol are going to Bristol are going to still do some things that that seems to be. Yeah.
00:31:14
Speaker
somewhat inevitable, unless, you know, they just completely fall apart again. I don't know. They may. We'll find out. They may.
Saracens vs Sale Controversy
00:31:20
Speaker
Yeah. But Exeter just... Yeah. Not good. Not good. Let's go to Sunday. Let's go up to the team. $19 a half? And if I told you that, you would... A $19.14 a half. It was a $19.40. But Newcastle got one quick right in the second half, though. Yeah, they did. Okay. So there you go. So, yeah. What was that? $45 in? Oh, I'm sorry. $48.
00:31:43
Speaker
48 in, Burns died down. Yeah, exactly. So at that point you're thinking Newcastle's got a shot at this thing. And they just fell apart. Like no other way around it. There really is. Well, you know, speaking of people who were putting their hands up again, Ollie Hassell Collins certainly had himself something to say and unfortunately didn't get called up again, but certainly wanted to be like, you know,
00:32:12
Speaker
Looks like his time up in the national team. Did him good. Did him very good. Yep. Did him good. Because you were just kind of waiting for him. He was such a problem, even in defense. His defense was excellent too. But he was such a problem that you're like, okay, he's going to break one. They're going to eventually not be able to stop him. And they really, they should have had another one because fucking white balled one.
00:32:39
Speaker
Yeah, yes, you did. That was a Oh, no. Yeah. And it's like, well, okay.
00:32:51
Speaker
He's earned a failed attempt there. Like he's at the point where we're like, yeah, okay. He'll probably score that most times, but yeah. Give it to him. Like that one. That's one of those ones on the bus home is just like, yeah. All right, you, kangaroo court. Like you don't know us a beer. We won. We are fine. Although we're gonna put you on trial. Yeah. Oh yeah. Definitely going on trial. There's no reason.
00:33:20
Speaker
for the London Irish to ever start Matt Robertson, other than giving one of these other four players a breather. I just don't see what he will provide that these other guys haven't. And okay, I think Gonzo's hurt right now, so that's why he's on the bench.
00:33:42
Speaker
Basham showed his class. Pearson has been a nightmare all season long. Chandler cutting himself is just about, just about to come good. And then you admit it. I think he's just not, not getting much time. Yeah. Is Basham, okay. Is this this, there was a Falcons Basham, is it? It's him. Yeah. It's him. Okay. That's what I thought. His scoring two minutes in was like,
00:34:08
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. To earn it, scoring against his old friends. Yep. A hundred percent. And they shouldn't, they should, you know, maybe that might've been the difference in the game, you think? Right. Yeah. He had a great game and, you know, and you don't, you need.
00:34:24
Speaker
This is for every team. You need a back row that can have one of the guys just pick the other two up and say, I got you. Let's, let's, you can, you can, you know, get on my coattail and ride me for today. And I'm sure I'm going to have a dog shit game or a less than great game and I'll ride you. And this, this game, they had both Pearson and Basham playing very well. So, and not to say calling himself play poorly, but the two of them clearly stood out. So.
00:34:48
Speaker
Yeah, well, they both got on the score sheet and he didn't. So also also that Chandler. Come on. What you doing? No, it's fine. And he hasn't had many starts. So he's only, you know, he needs to get into that type of mindset and such as well. So and a great learning experience to get a start on the on the road to see what that's about. Because the tune is not an easy place to play.
00:35:10
Speaker
for any bother and shat the bed. So right. So good. Good on you for not like not shitting yourself is actually a W. So good job. Yeah. Well done. That's on the. Well done. So it's yeah. Yeah. I I love everything about the exiles except they're fucking 10 like everything else. Great. Douchebag like find another home for him. Right. I want to like them. I can't right now. No. Same. Same. Same.
00:35:41
Speaker
Let's go to AJ Bell. So for me. There's. I feel like it's hard done and I'm not saying this because the referee made the shade decision that whatever I'll live. I'll live with it. I hate it, but I'll live with it. I just feel like they deserve better because they didn't play that poorly the series.
00:36:01
Speaker
Yeah, my take on this match is that I want to see this match played again with competent referee. Right. Like that, that's it. It's not it's not that, oh, you know, no, I want to see what what would have happened because sale played well. I thought Sarri has played very well. Yeah, I didn't think sale played badly except for like the first 10 minutes. But still, well, first, yeah, the first one until literally until that card.
00:36:26
Speaker
Oh, good job, which I still don't understand. But, you know, I know that was bullshit. That's the thing. That was a bullshit card. The the what the Sam James try was multiple forward passes. Claire Hodnett is an awful TMO like. Right. And this is not new. This is not free. Anything else does. She that's her only job right now is just her TMO. Right. Right. I bet I know of.
00:36:53
Speaker
Maybe at National League, in which case I'm going to go back to the National League players. Yeah, teams. Well, maybe she's better at refereeing than she is at TM, at watching it, because I don't know. Fuck on the field, because if your only job is to sit there and watch a game on TV from multiple angles and you get the replays and all that, like, how do you fuck up so much of that?
00:37:15
Speaker
Yeah, it's not it's not just this match we're talking about. I'm sure everybody knows that like there have been multiple, multiple things where she's cocked up like it's she's she's bad. That's just how it is. She's bad. Right. So like, yeah. And really, it was just just don't take those two things away. I want to see how this like the yellow card is that I thought up even a penalty would be harsh on that. He did.
00:37:40
Speaker
He deflected the ball. It went into touch. There's no more play. What's he what's he carded for? He's not he's not preventing any opportunities. I need to understand that or help me understand that. Right. You think it's cynical. OK, you know, penalize him for it, but it doesn't impact anything. So, you know, if you want to give a penalty, OK, I'll grumble a bit. But a card is just right out. And yeah, and the Hislap thing
00:38:08
Speaker
I I didn't like the who was who was taking into contact there. Was it was it was robot? Yeah. Had his like if if his lap goes low, he gets a forearm to the head. And it's like so he's like kind of protect himself a little bit, too, because that, you know, it was away from the ball, it was away from the body. He was leading with the forearm.
00:38:34
Speaker
I mean, it's still a high tackle. Without that, even without the forearm consideration, which was not something I necessarily had in my head. That's been a yellow most of the season. You know, like you, yes, head to head and it gets absorbed. I don't. He's not going forward. You know, he's static. He's taking the brunt of it, if anything. Yeah.
00:38:56
Speaker
So so right. That's that was the more of the consistency thing there. And if you look, if that's a red and I'm in theory, I'm OK with that being red. Right. That's got to be read every time then. And that's how we take it out, because it's it is. It is. There's that. Oh, it's on the line. No, then just take it fucking out.
00:39:16
Speaker
You know, don't you know there's no on the line anymore because that was, you know, but either way, I don't even care about that point because it shouldn't have never got I don't think it would ever have gotten there because I think saris were were too dominant until they went down to 14. They did get a little, you know, I thought they, you know,
00:39:33
Speaker
the first two panel leaky kicks and we're so and we're it's like no no please no Jared's annoyed by this it's one thing when i get annoyed by it but when even Jared's texting me like what the fuck are they doing kicking and i'm like you're asking me it was it was like uh corn no okay cool
00:39:53
Speaker
Theo Dan was throwing some... He actually played really well all around. He deserved better in this match than he got. Yeah, he did. Give him a shot at down on the goal line. Your wall's fine. You got the horses to do it. Don't kick for fucking points every time. Unnecessary. And that bit him.
00:40:14
Speaker
You know, because if they're if because, you know, John Luke two pre-scored at the very death, very saris had just been like, you know what? We don't have it. Yeah. And it just got fucked. Whereas if you had four more points and it was twenty eight. Did they score? Yes, it was seven. So it would have been twenty eight, twenty four.
00:40:35
Speaker
You know, now you're talking some, or, you know, been 28, I'm sorry, um, 20, 28, you know, four points or even if you get five points and we're talking, um, you know, 25 points. Now a penalty wins you the, you know, or ties you the game and you go away with, with the, with the draw, everyone's happy. And those points, so you get three points out of it. So it's like,
00:40:56
Speaker
Nobody complains, you know, you know, in a white shirt by any means. Right. And instead, like, you know, because you were a little chicken shit to start the match. Yeah. You had to deal with that. I didn't dislike, you know, that part of it. And, you know, OK, OK, so Rob Dupree. Mm hmm.
00:41:19
Speaker
I don't know where else to go with that. Yeah, he's good. He's been huge for this team, unquestionably. So one thing I was impressed with for the sake of Joe Carpenter, he's a young player. He's had a great season. I don't think anybody would doubt that.
00:41:39
Speaker
You know, probably there are a few people putting them on the England list and no, no, that's fine. That's, I don't think that's undeserved. Right. On the long list. Absolutely. Yeah. And there's, and then, but he's not had.
00:41:52
Speaker
too many games where he's been banged up and beat up and roughed up a lot. And the Saracens were trying to do that to him. And he stood up and got a couple early and it got to him, but he responded. And that's what makes you a good player. So I give the kid a ton of credit.
00:42:11
Speaker
You know, apart from the freaking 12-13 channel, this team is really, really, really, really good, especially in the back line. I still don't know why I guess we're starting over Quirk, but okay. Yeah, I don't get that at all. Not even a little bit. No, not my favorite of the two.
00:42:28
Speaker
And, but yeah, like that, that back three and Bobby dupes has been super unquestionably and they, they will be what they need to ride along with the Prius to get to, to get themselves into, um, not only a semi-final, but a home semi-final. Yeah. And I was, that was absolutely must win for them. Cause you know, it's.
00:42:50
Speaker
know, they got the five points. So other than that, it's, you know, Lester and the Saints would still be within, you know, two wins of them. So they've got some distance there. They're pretty, they're pretty clear. They're not
00:43:06
Speaker
Obviously they haven't clinched top four, but, but no, they're, they're around there. They get right. They just got to take care of a little bit or teen on Lester and Northampton for two right now. So, and they, oh yeah. And neither of them have a game in hand. It's all lower.
00:43:22
Speaker
Yeah Irish have played 16 but Quinn's have only played 15 classes only played 15 and Exeter Bristol all of them Bristol Okay, so it's weird the top five teams have all played six 16. I know Sail and Saris and that's that's kind of Gonna be the way it goes for a little bit, right? But yeah, you know
00:43:47
Speaker
This is this along with, for the series sake, this, this along with, uh, the loss against a lot of Irish are just one of those reality checks.
00:43:56
Speaker
No, it's not going to be easy, you know, no matter just because we're fucking let Davies, good Lord, get rid of him. Yeah, he's got to go. He's got to go. Useless. Yeah. But that's we're not going to just throw a team out there and win. You know, that's just right. That's how it is. And not with all of your England players gone. No. And you got to be smarter when you when you have that type of thing going and don't start your worst half back. Right.
00:44:22
Speaker
I'll be excited when we get Garrett next year. Yes. Very excited about that. Get rid of Davies, like quick. Any of you, let's jump over to the other hemisphere. Over to Melbourne for Super Weekend. Let's start with, I mean, we probably don't need to spend too much time on this one, Crusaders and Highlanders, and it is
Crusaders vs Highlanders
00:44:45
Speaker
An angry, as we said, it's an angry Scroosaders team. And they just had their foot on the gas and the word go, just never went up. Right. And the Highlanders were kind of considering keeping up and that they did.
00:45:01
Speaker
They did not. And it's gone. Yeah, they were way gone. It's like, oh, you guys are in so much trouble. Oh, man, it was it was bad. And it just got worse. It just did not get any better. I was like, oh, boy, this is going to be, you know, Fergus Burke got over and I was like, that's that's it. That was about it. We're done. I know where this is going. I've seen this movie before.
00:45:29
Speaker
It's like, oh, man, this is... I feel for the Islanders, but yep, this is... This is what their season is going to be like, though. I think it is, too, unfortunately. And I know they're trying things and whatnot, but, man... Yeah, but if I can say this, and this is, I know, horrible to say about a team that put up 52 points,
00:45:57
Speaker
I wasn't that impressed with Crusaders overall. Like it was just like they did their job, you know, but that's, I mean, that's how they operate, right? They just do their jobs and somebody ends up falling over or just completely doing something ridiculous and scoring on their own from, you know, like they do have that kind of talent and especially with their, you know, their 10 and their wings. Kind of like their fullback too. It felt like, you know,
00:46:26
Speaker
A lot of that was just them being a machine and a lot of it was highlanders just being inept. I'm not sure how else to say that.
00:46:38
Speaker
It does feel like you're starting Freddie Burns against the Crusaders. You're not being realistic. I don't know if you're being serious, honestly. Right. Not against Freddie, but. Love Freddie. He's not like if you're starting, if you're starting him against Crusaders, you're not don't he's not that guy. No, that's going to keep you in the game. Against that. So no, no, it's just yeah.
00:47:07
Speaker
I don't know what to expect from them going forward. They're back three or back row or like... I don't even think too much right now. Billy Harmon's okay. Yeah. And then the tight five. No, there's just not much there. No. I'm disappointed. I'm not like, yeah. I mean, it's one of those like, obviously there's teams like I think feel like about this way in the prem, but I'm just like, what the fuck do you have? Like, what are you even doing? Yeah.
00:47:35
Speaker
Yeah, we know there's always a couple of teams that are like that. And there's a couple more. We'll probably talk about them a little bit here, but. How do you. I were. It's a New Zealand team. They just read rugby players and. If I were them, I. I can't remember the kid's name, but we talked about the young kid that they have that they're, you know, they're trying to bring along. I would just start throwing them in there right now.
00:48:05
Speaker
Like ASAP. Yeah, I can't recall the name, but yeah, I know what you're talking about, but yeah. Exactly. Like, what is... Do you need to see Freddie Burns? I mean, do you really need to see Freddie Burns against that? Do you deeply need to see Freddie Burns that much? Yeah. Like, probably not. So... Right. And if you're that nervous about it, then start Freddie at 10. I'm sorry, start him at like 15, because he can do that too. Yeah, he's perfectly capable of that. Especially against Fergus Burke.
00:48:32
Speaker
Yeah, I think the one thing is they really want to keep Sam Gilbert back there. He's probably the best thing to have, honestly. Although Josh Teemo did pretty well too, but you know. Exactly. I thought, yeah. So like Gilbert to wing, put low, you know, have low tick. Take a seat. Take a seat. Yeah. You sir, you sit. You sit right there. What did he even do? Hold on. Let me look up his stats. I couldn't get him to come up.
00:48:59
Speaker
low free, three carries, 27 meters. Apparently it's like three defenders beaten three. Yeah. Nothing, nothing insane. Although, you know, three defenders beaten on three carries, you know, whatever. So 27 meters. Nothing crazy. Right. Without a try. No. Yeah. Like do something where it's like you have someone that like, cause if, if the kid shits the bed and really just can't feel, then you slide Freddie up and you bring on a, you know, another, then you bring on a wing.
00:49:29
Speaker
and move Gilbert back to fullback. There's ways around it. There is. Yeah, get creative. Because otherwise, would you rather lose and accomplish really nothing or bring along young players and have them ready to be good players next year potentially? Yep. Rather than, oh, wait, now I still got to learn how to play at this level. Yeah, that sucks. All right, let's go Rebels and Hurricanes.
Hurricanes and Artie Savea's Controversy
00:49:59
Speaker
This is probably the one that's got maybe the most on unpack because of many things most of them having to do with either cards or off the field. Let's I mean, let's just address it like. Artie has or knew he did wrong almost as soon as he did it. Yeah, boy. Yeah, I shouldn't know that he was embarrassed about it. I think he's really embarrassed about it, honestly, and
00:50:28
Speaker
He was at the desk afterwards, or not at the desk, but in front of the banner afterwards and just like, yeah, I really messed that up. He let it get better, the red mist get the better of him in that case. That's the worst that he does is if the red mist gets him, then
00:50:49
Speaker
That's okay. He's okay. But yeah, still not acceptable. Right. And he got banned a week and that's appropriate. Let's move on. I think so too. I'm good. I'm good with that. I do. I do want to know what Lauren said, but he was a good sport and did not cop to anything, said nothing about it. Right. Just let it be on the field. So I, you got to give him a little bit of credit. And I know most people won't because some people just, whatever reason hate him and that's fine. You hate him, you continue to hate him and I will stand over here and
00:51:15
Speaker
He's the supporter of my guy, Artie. He did wrong. He's banned. That's where he belongs. But other than that, the on-field shit was fucking good. It really was. It was. It was excellent. He had two tries by that point already. He had. He already did his job. Terrible. And they said, you know, it bordered the red tar threshold but did not.
00:51:44
Speaker
meet it, but you'd already because you'd already been fucking around in the match. They put them in the bin for a week. I was like, all right, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense to me. So anyway, the match itself. Unexpected squeaky bum time for the hurricanes. That was not really. No, that came out. It came out of nowhere, too, because the rebels weren't really.
00:52:04
Speaker
there wasn't much too much going on and then all of a sudden at the end it's like oh hey by the way by the way yeah i i still i think james dulman might be the west referee in new zealand he's fucking terrible the one thing about that that scuffle that i didn't wasn't into like it was started by the rebels and nothing was done about it it's like uh cole's might have said something but the guy that ended up on i think it was cam that ended up on top of him like
00:52:30
Speaker
Rebel's guy ends up on top of our guy and we're the ones that are the bad guys. Like I don't get it. Like, okay, cool. Colsey probably said something, you know. I'm sure he said something. He's a shit house or so sometimes. And that's what he does. You were dumb and got under your skin. It should have been really just been the two of them and be done with it, honestly. But you know, that's that would, that would have been me. Anywho, yes. So there were two, there were, um,
00:53:00
Speaker
Two guys that stepped up real big time for me in this match for the hurricanes and that was Morby again. Absolutely. And again, Roy guard. Just keeping what I thought was going to be Jimmy Booth, the starter away. And he's keeping him on the sideline. I love it. So if that's how this is going to play out for the rest of the year and
00:53:24
Speaker
You know, friggin, it's gonna have to earn a spot. I'm, I'm into it. Right. And that to me is like, that it's almost like in Vanzel Davies thing. Like if you can come on and be that spark and regard is, is that then it's like, okay, well you're the guy cause booth is like the guy that you're just going to like, he'll operate the attack. He'll, he'll make sure it, you know, he doesn't get in your way, but regard is a spark himself. He's like, no, I'm going to make shit happen. Yeah.
00:53:49
Speaker
I feel like to a level that Booth is not, I haven't seen Booth do. No, fucking, as soon as I saw the Malefeyo thing, I was like, oh, that is going to be a card. And like on nothing, on nothing. You dumb fuck. You dumb fuck. Like it's a ball held up. Why did you need to do that? Why? Yeah. Like, you know, and I guess this prompts kind of the discussion around the idea that
00:54:16
Speaker
with the whole, put them in the bin, and if it gets upgraded, I'm okay with that. It makes sense to me. I like it. It makes sense to me. It does. It pissed me off the first time I saw it because I was like, that's got to be a red card.
00:54:29
Speaker
And then, but they're like, no, just yellow. And I'm like, oh, that's right. That's when I realized it kind of popped in. Oh, no. They look at it quickly and go, all right, is this going to be something that can be upgraded to red? Is this at least the yellow card defense? It is. All right. Put them in the bin. Right. You got a few more minutes to figure out whether or not it's red. The one thing I just I still can't get around is the whole between thing. 20 minutes to four. Like, listen.
00:54:52
Speaker
File play is file play. And if it's a red, it's a red. Stop being in between. I don't care that there's like different types of reds. I don't care. I really don't. Stop being so indecisive and living with this whole, oh, well, maybe good.
00:55:08
Speaker
Stop, just stop, okay? Because it's not even like default play bullshit, which I know is my concern when the whole 20-minute red card. It's still the freaking, you know, the illegal tackles. Like, if it's a red card tackle, it's a red card tackle. Not 20 minutes, it's full. You're done. You're not going to learn behavior if your team's down 20, you know? Okay, so I'm not sure if that's a rule change or not, but now, at least that player cannot come back.
00:55:35
Speaker
So he's done. No, it's still, you know, it, you know, okay. I have to live with 20 minutes and then my team gets up full. No, you, I'm sorry. Sit there in shame and hang your head for the remainder of the match because you, your team's playing with 14. Nobody is going to fricking walk into that locker room with you happy with you. They'll be, they'll, they'll live with you because you're, you're their teammate, unless you're a complete helmet, in which case different story.
00:56:03
Speaker
they'll live with you, but they're still gonna be very unhappy with you if you are somebody that's made them play with 14 for anything longer than a few minutes. And that right there is one reason that we can't keep doing this bullshit, okay? That will draw, that will, for me personally, if I've got, and I knock on wood, I haven't gotten a red card ever, but
00:56:31
Speaker
If I were to get a red card and, you know, only 30 minutes into the match or so, and knowing my team's got to play 50 minutes down a player, nothing will make me want to readjust my behavior faster than that. Not disciplinary, none of that.
00:56:47
Speaker
knowing I just put my team on, you know, hung out to dry for 50 minutes with 14, that will fricking make me hate myself and be like, I got to do better. And there's been times actually, and this is the cool love. I actually am really enjoying coaching college players. Um, it's, it's a different experience, but it's, it's been a great one. And one of the things that they ask a lot of questions about things. Um,
00:57:10
Speaker
And one of them is like, they just asked me this week, like, okay, so we're talking about, you know, we're doing tackle drills. So they're talking about the legal tax and like, okay, so what happens if this is the only thing I can do? And I'm like, don't like, I'd rather have you, I'd rather have you miss a tackle or not hit a rock.
00:57:26
Speaker
or then, you know, see someone seriously injured, including yourself or be fucking get a card. I don't I don't want you off the pitch. Right. Miss one tackle. That's fine. You know, that's one try. You've got to you get a card, especially red card. That's like three or four tries that you're just giving up there and not. And that's also not to mention the injury. Just don't do it. They're like, oh, like, you know, I like having that kind of influence on it because it's like, that's that's it. You know, too many coaches are like, no, just go and fucking hit it. Well, no.
00:57:57
Speaker
No, no, no, that's bad. That's why we have to have these rules. So, yeah, no, make it make it hurt the team, too. Yeah, it's I agree. It's I mean, I I'm I'm I'm begrudging the compromise of the player can't come back, but at the same time, like.
00:58:14
Speaker
20 minutes isn't enough. No, no, it's not by any means. Right. Oh, that was the only thing that I'm sorry, the bomber card was that it was like 68 minutes left. So it's like, fine, give him a whatever. It's it's you know, yeah, it's really it's what he's missing two extra minutes, maybe. Yeah, whatever. So that's that was the other thing like this, you know, the 20 minutes, though, from the middle of the game. But there was so anyway to the rebels, I do want to just kind of talk a little bit about them, because obviously they played very well.
00:58:44
Speaker
Um, there's, there's three things that are holding this, uh, two things, but mostly we'll say three. Cause, um, Gordon's played pretty well so far. That's holding this backline together. It's been Reese and Monte Iwani and Carter Gordon. That is it's like, I, the rest of those backline, I do not trust.
00:59:03
Speaker
at all. I know Anderson scored, but I don't think it was that difficult to score. And yes, Gordon's had a couple of runaways, but he's been in the right place at the right time twice. So that's usually not something that is pure luck. It's usually got something else going on. So give him credit. Yeah.
00:59:24
Speaker
If this, if this rebels team showed up last week, they would have beat the force. Right. Or, you know, I haven't seen this rebels, especially that second half of that, you know, that was a team that shit. This is what we've been looking for the rebels to become for a while or be for a while now. They've just kind of been, you know, in their own asses about it, like heads up bums.
00:59:46
Speaker
This is them. I felt they like pulled it out. It's like, oh, yeah, let's play some rugby. It's like, oh, yeah, this is yeah. This is how it's going to be. Good. And and play like this for the majority of your right in season, and at least you won't be the the shit stat will be the laughing. Yeah, you yeah, you won't be at the basement dwellers that everybody is like, oh, yeah, good. We get to play them. You're not practice girl.
01:00:14
Speaker
Yeah, no, you don't want to be that. That's pretty bad. Let's go to your team and score of the fastest Ryan Super Rugby ever.
Chiefs vs Moana Pacifica
01:00:28
Speaker
So I saw someone had a video of it. I'm sorry that they can't give attribution to it. It was on the Twitters. They matched up the opening
01:00:38
Speaker
kick of this match and the opening kick of the Drew versus, maybe it was a halftime, whatever it was, the restart of the match or the start of the match.
01:00:47
Speaker
Um, where they kicked to the same spot and whoever it was, I can't remember who the, who the player was who caught it and then just made the exact same pass. So the chiefs must've just said, okay, this we're going to do. We're going to hit it to that person. And you're going to go on this line and they'll throw it to you potentially. And that's exactly what the fuck happened. Like, like it looked exactly, it was exactly the same. A little too predictable from Moana. Right.
01:01:16
Speaker
And honestly, didn't really turn back from there. I wish it was a little bit. Yeah, it was definitely a sign of things. It was bad. Bad, bad. Was it 30? 38 to 3 at halftime. Oof. Yeah. The same was over by then, unfortunately. Yeah, it was. I don't want to like...
01:01:37
Speaker
dismiss Moana and Pacifica, but they just, they're not quite to that level at this point. Right. Then the chiefs totally, how good has the chief's defense been? Like we can talk about the attack all day. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Their defense is something else. Like there's a reason that they only allowed three points in half. And like they were just completely shutting them down. And I'm impressed. I'm kind of scared to think of what this team could do.
01:02:07
Speaker
But they definitely coasted the second half and were just like, yeah, whatever. They weren't going to get injured or get a card for no fucking reason. So, yeah, they'll just let in 26 points. But it was, you know, didn't matter. It was never going to be.
01:02:21
Speaker
She's got a little disciplined at the second half. Yeah, they got loose, but yeah. That also contributed to Moana finding space. Oh, yeah. That's right, because both the... I'm sorry, they did get cards. They weren't playing no cards. Yeah, because both the halfbacks got cards, but the 10, right? Gatlin got one, I believe. Yeah, Gatlin got one. Okay.
01:02:48
Speaker
Yeah. And they were both there. All three of them were none of them were dirty. It was just stupid. Silly. Yeah. Silly stuff. I think they were just fucking around like, you know, but so I find it out, boys. Yeah. But then again, Weber had two tries himself, though. Right. Like, OK. Yeah, I really is. Two tries in the card. That's it. Yeah, that tracks. That's a good day.
01:03:17
Speaker
Next match on Saturday was the Drua in Wartas and it wasn't so bad at the half, but then just, it was 17, 17 and
Drua vs Waratahs and Scrum Rules
01:03:29
Speaker
a half. So I, it was 10, 10. I watched, so I watched this on, on my iPad at one point. I got to the point where it was actually 17, 10, Drua second half.
01:03:42
Speaker
And then I had stopped for whatever reason. And I couldn't find it today. It's not on the app on, uh, on the Roku. So I couldn't get to finish it. Um, but I was like, I did see the final, like how the fuck, so they scored 36 straight points. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The, they were, they were class, the, the TAWS, this is what, this is what they want right here. Like I, I, I,
01:04:10
Speaker
Don't do it. And the problem being, and this is going to be your favorite part. The Drew had to go to an uncontested scrum and lose. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. And I did see because in their, was it their tight head? So they had a tight head. Yep. Got hurt. And then they had a hook or leave.
01:04:29
Speaker
because they had a hooker, their hooker got hurt and was off for injury. So could not come back on and their backup hooker got a card. Okay, there was a card. All right. So that was the issue. And it wasn't because if it's two injuries, then they go and contest it, but they don't lose a player. Right. It's just got to be a front row player. That's all. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, virtually it out perfectly the way the way I think of it in terms of why that rules in place. And I don't love it. But
01:04:58
Speaker
I don't trust coaches sometimes. I just don't like, not all coaches are as honest as some of the ones that we see as some of the ones we see. So I just don't trust coaches. Like some of the coaches we see are blatantly dishonest. So right. Right. And that's the thing. Like I don't trust coaches to not do something shady like that. So that's why it's in place. So it doesn't happen.
01:05:21
Speaker
Again, I'll admit, I don't love it, but it's there for a reason because otherwise, yes, coaches will take advantage of it. And the reason that rules get put in place is because somebody fucking took advantage of it, usually. Not always, but it's usually that one's there because of that. Or at least it remains because of, you know, if someone's, it's obvious that somebody will, because we all know that asshole who will. So let's get into it. I know that asshole at a freaking school level, at a schoolboy high school level. I know that, at least one or two of those assholes.
01:05:48
Speaker
at pro level, you know, it's littered all over the place, you know, division one level, like, come on. So, yes, it sucks. And teams get kind of fucked by it, but it is how it is. And it's not like.
01:06:01
Speaker
And for me, it's not like Huertas didn't earn this. They were already pretty well out in front at this point, and they just kind of just poured it on with the extra players. So it's not like it changed the result. It just might have just changed the margin. That's all. Yeah, exactly. That was a tight game, and good for Drua for front and up for as long as they did. That wasn't expected.
01:06:23
Speaker
Did you hear the crowd when they were laying the hits? Boom. I love it. If that's what they're going to bring, because they have a home game this weekend, I believe in peace. So if that's what they're going to bring this coming weekend, that's going to be awesome to watch. It is. I'm looking forward to that one. I'm looking at it right now. Let's see. Hmm. There it is. Yeah, they play the Crusaders at home. Yeah. Are they in Fiji?
01:06:53
Speaker
Yeah, sure. Oh, I don't know for sure. For sure. Churchill Park. Where's that? I should know this. Yeah, because our home stadium is HFC Bank Stadium. So that's probably not it.
01:07:13
Speaker
Yep. It's in Fiji. Sweet. Oh, that's going to be awesome. That's the type of energy that crowd brings. I am, I am into it. I am into it. Sweet. That's who they play in the Crusaders. Yeah. Ooh, this tasty. Delicious.
01:07:31
Speaker
Anywho, let's go to the Sunday matches. Something to watch Friday night. Yeah, right. Blues and Rumbies. And I did not have this on my bingo board. Oh, I totally saw this coming. Liar. You picked the blues like I did. What the? Yeah, and it was the it was just the.
Brumby's Defense vs Blues
01:07:53
Speaker
You know, it was funny because it was this. This is basically all the points that were scored in the game. No. It was all at halftime was twenty twenty five. I like at the end of the game, I was like, you fucking kidding me. No points gets for the second half. Right. Got to be shitting me. Yeah. And more of a. It's a combination of credit to the rubby's defense. Mm hmm. And well done. Well done, sir. Although he's the attack guy, but so he's the coach. But also.
01:08:23
Speaker
They'll discipline by the blues. Did I see them? The yellows right on top of each other? Yeah, basically. Yeah, it was 16 to 8 penalty count. So now they got dealt with the Brumby's penalties. That in itself makes it really hard to win any rugby match. Certainly. Let alone against a team that's pretty high quality with the Brumby's. Yeah.
01:08:56
Speaker
Yeah. But still, like, to shut the Blues down like that, it doesn't matter if like, yeah, they they lost a couple of players early, but just to shut them down, the rest of them, like, these are not first off, Tom Robinson. Holy shit. That was scary. He's fast, by the way. Yeah, who knew? Fuck, he was shot out of a cannon, but like,
01:09:25
Speaker
you're going to have to have someone like him do that. Cause they shut down Caleb Clark. They shut down to Leia. Certainly. Um, you want to, and to pass a check, they were scary, but you know, and Parafetta had, had some good runs, but it was one of those, they didn't really threaten. And that's all the credit to the Brumby's defense. They really just shut shit down. Definitely definitely did. Did not have that on my bingo card.
01:09:52
Speaker
No, no, like, I guess I just tried scores are Ricky Riccatelli and Tom Robinson, like, show me the number of people that had that one on the betting line. Like, yeah. Wow. And that's it. Like, you know, in Riccatelli, you probably, you know, you you you might lay an odd wager on him just because to get in the mall and all that of all the forwards, you're the most likely there.
01:10:14
Speaker
Yeah, Robinson, I did not have. Not that I don't think he's good, but that was that was just such an excellent try out of it felt like almost nothing. Very, very little. Yeah. And he's just like, I'm going to like that was was like when you're you're watching the professional wrestling's and you know, you get the tag team matches and the one partner is getting his ass kicked and he.
01:10:41
Speaker
Finally makes it over and tags in his partner and they partner comes in and just wreck shop for like five minutes straight Like that was him there. It was like I'm in invincible mode. I get the star in in Mario Kart Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely Yeah, so get on Brumby's Brumby's or two and I'm not sure a lot of people had that one down except for them obviously in their fans I mean their their quality
01:11:05
Speaker
club. Yeah. We know that. Yeah. Merehead's try was excellent. Yeah. Yes, it was. Yeah. So I was like, Oh, there's that. Okay. Nevermind. Next moving on. Um, and then unfortunately they kind of took all the fun out of the day because the second match on Sunday was not that good.
01:11:23
Speaker
was rather bad. No, it was what we call this one sided really. Yeah, started early. Yeah, dead. It really dead and just never ended. And it almost started a little faster except for you know, a toe was dragged in for flu. So it would have been started even faster otherwise. Yeah, right. It's
01:11:49
Speaker
It's concerning in a lot of ways for the sake of the force. And I will say I feel for... Who was the kid that got the frickin' red? They're loose forward there. Oh, Callan. Yeah. Hey.
Player Roles: Josh Fluke and James O'Connor
01:12:16
Speaker
To me, that's the same thing we've been talking about, like, with Balmer, like, that's a yellow. That's a yellow, and I- Especially down there, like, they don't call anything a red. Yeah, I know, right. And I'm, you know, I don't love Andrew Burton's and his commentary and his thoughts lately, like, the last couple of years, he started to piss me off. I was like, ooh, I agree with him, and I feel bad. I feel dirty, but I also agree with him. It's, yeah, that's just, that's a-
01:12:45
Speaker
It's a yellow and a, I think they got that one very wrong. Um, yeah. And it obviously didn't really affect the outcome, but still, again, but it's just like, Oh, just made it worse. Yeah. Just made it worse. It wasn't going to change anything. Uh, Jordy Batalia. Great. What else is new there? Uh, so they, um, we kind of talked about a little bit with, um, Josh Fluke. Oh, by the way.
01:13:10
Speaker
James O'Connor with the lettuce. What's going on, man? I read a high and tight. I was not consulted. Yeah, no, not a bad look, though. Not a bad look. It's just very different than what I expected when I saw him. I was like, what's going on with that? Anyway, but they were talking about Josh Fluke and his.
01:13:35
Speaker
He's one of those weird players where, you know, we know he's like Melissa as a midfielder in FRD, but that's not what makes anybody a certain position by any means whatsoever.
01:13:45
Speaker
But he is a weird, he's a weird one to place because he doesn't have the speed out wide, but he doesn't really have the size of the physicality to be in the middle. So he's a weird one to place. He's super talented. I don't think there's any doubt about that. He's got a good head on him. Where do you place him? That was the question. But to me, that's that's 13. That's just like we were talking about with Noel, who's not really fast enough to go wide. He's not.
01:14:11
Speaker
really strong enough to go 12, certainly, but 13, yeah, you can keep them in space. I mean, hell, the other teams have put...
01:14:21
Speaker
Fuck, who was it? Way worse players at 13. Shit, I can't, yeah. Or even a 12. But yeah, but you just use them indifferently. Instead of having the 12 just crashing up all the time right off the 10, you have the 13 as the crasher a little bit wider. And the way I would envision England playing really with the Smith-Farrell axis. And you put Marchant, or not Marchant, but Lawrence out there.
01:14:45
Speaker
He's your crasher. He's your your enforcer. They're setting the edge of the defense. And then you just go around them with your your ball movers, your playmakers. And that's what you can do with with a fluke if you use them right. Yeah. Except, you know, for flip it, right. You have your 12 and he's 13. So yeah, some of the nature you have. You have options there. You do. But he's too good of an athlete to not play. I agree with that. So it's just it's a funny place. It's hard to play sometimes. That's all it is.
01:15:14
Speaker
But you kind of have at this point, you have four back three players out there in a way. And hey, all four of them scored.
01:15:24
Speaker
We saw, like we said, we saw the return of James O'Connor. Um, Tom Lana has held the Jersey well. What do you do about that? Yeah, that's, that's actually a good question. Cause he's not played badly. James O'Connor is a special talent. There's no doubt about that. Um, but they were talking about fullback on the, on the broad chest and I wouldn't be, I'd be okay with that or yeah.
01:15:48
Speaker
some combination of anything that looks like that. Yeah. You can't go O'Connor and fluke as you're as you're 12, 13. No. And well, because you've got to give, because of like Paisami's nature and the way he loves to play the game, you got to give him some rest. Like he, he can't do that week in and week out the way he
Weekend Recap and Upcoming Matches
01:16:06
Speaker
plays, you know, and it's, it's effective and it's fun to watch, but it's not one of those guys you can roll out there week in and week out without, um,
01:16:14
Speaker
potentially bumping into a consequence of an injury. Right. You know, he even looked like he was a little lame at the end there along with when he followed on that run. And yeah, boys were camping up left, right and center. Well, they've done a fair bit of running, so. Yeah. Oh, yeah. A lot of them have. Especially those guys. Yeah. OK. Let's do a wee bit of a whip around. Prejects are off. Home opener this weekend. Let's go.
01:16:42
Speaker
I cannot wait. We're in seven, row seven. Come find us if you're there. Especially if it's chilly, you'll see us in the flannel hoodies. Yeah. The two of us are almost unmissable on the project. It's really hard to miss the two big guys sitting there in huge flannel hoodies.
01:17:06
Speaker
Frickin, I don't remember who it was. Somebody was like, oh yeah, I know where you sit. I was like, what? I was like, really? You do? Like, dude, you are so obvious when I'm walking towards the sand, I could see the two of you sitting together. I was like, oh, yikes. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Thumbs apparently.
01:17:24
Speaker
Anyway, whip around Seattle to stop Dallas. Again, Dallas is going to be bad. Atlanta beat. Nola, no shock there. Chicago lost again. That's concerning for their sake. And I know they're just starting to put the pieces together. So it's going to be a bit. But yeah, got to get the ship ship right in tune here, guys. Right.
01:17:46
Speaker
New York stomped. Oh glory. That doesn't shock me. There's as well as Oh glory played week one, New York still better. They are. And shocker of the weekend is the Sabercat's beat in the Legion. Granted, this is the Legion's first away game. So might've been a little bit of a travel lag of some sort. And they got severely softened up last week too by a really tough opponent. So
01:18:10
Speaker
That'll happen sometimes. That'll happen. You know, I credit this this win by Houston entirely to the free jacks. Yeah, who was. Yeah, we loosen that. It's right there. That lead for you. I have Hanko. They played Dire 13. Interesting. Hmm.
01:18:30
Speaker
Interesting. Boyer came off the bench. Okay, interesting. Oh, because they have the nation. That's why. Houston. That makes a lot of sense. Okay, cool. Well, your gift of glory is you get to be our home opener too. Sorry, guys. Oh, kind of sucks for them. Yeah, it's gonna be. Yeah, and you know, the boys are gonna be
01:18:54
Speaker
Oh, they're going to be a little. Yeah. Yeah. They sit on that for two. It's like kind of like the saris are going to have to sell in the last couple of weeks. Yeah. So they're bi-week and then there's no round rugby next weekend. That's right. So sitting on that one for a couple of weeks. I don't know who they play next, but Godspeed to them. They play. Hold on. Where are we? I mean, 21, it will be those Harlequins at home.
01:19:22
Speaker
Oh, that's the Twicken, the Tottenham Hotspur game. That'll be interesting. Yes, it is. This is the Tottenham game. Fun. Alrighty, then. Cool. OK, so that's that. We're going to go turn and burn and go get our stuff ready for Fancy Corner. We got all three comps to talk about. Champions League, all that good stuff. Fancy Rugby podcast at e-mail.com. Comments, questions, concerns, so on, so on.
01:19:50
Speaker
Yeah, but if you're not coming over to the fancy corner, enjoy the second mega working weekend that we got this season and we'll catch you all next week. Have a good one. Later.