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Episode 005 - The Baddest of Batches
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On this episode, we chat about holidays, some movies we've been watching, tv shows, a bit of news, the first 3 episodes of the Bad Batch, and a whole lot more.
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Transcript
Introductions and Personal Updates
00:00:00
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Hello and welcome to episode number five of Just Shillin. I am one of your hosts, Sean Hoffman, and across the table from me is Mr. Andy Bell. How are you doing? Five golden rings. I'm good. Thank you, buddy. How are you? I thought you were going to keep going. I'm good. I'm really good. No complaints.
00:00:26
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Excellent. Good, good, good. So yeah, no, we're well over here as well. Coming to the end of the dreary month of February, I can see light at the end of the tunnel. I think I said to you guys, sorry, I think I said to you last week, we've booked a holiday, so there's something to look forward to.
00:00:45
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And then one thing I didn't tell you last week, which I'd completely forgotten about, was we're going to the theatre this weekend. So we're going to take in some culture this weekend with Lucy, which I think is actually going to do us a favour because obviously there's been a lot going on.
00:01:02
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with family and with work in recent weeks. So it's going to take us our minds off that and taking a little bit of culture, which will make Lucy very, very happy. And it just so happens to be the theatre just so happens to be close to one of the largest fantasy and comic and pop culture stores in the UK.
00:01:26
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which I know you've been to, Forbidden Planet. It's not too far away from Forbidden Planet. So it's very, very fortuitous that we might actually pop in there as well. So high five all round. It's going to be a good weekend. So looking forward to it.
00:01:41
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It's almost like you planned it. Yeah. I'm not that clever. I'm not that clever. But no, we're all good, mate. The buds have started budding on my apple trees, which suggests that it's getting a little bit warmer.
Andy's Observations and Plans
00:01:59
Speaker
and we're approaching spring in the UK. The family situation that I talked about last week is getting a little bit easier. We know we're in for the long haul, but there seems to be a plan and coming out the other end of the reorganization at work. So yeah, it feels, it's been a tough couple of months, mate, but I'm optimistic. There's, like I said, there's light at the end of the tunnel. So life is good.
00:02:29
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Nice, nice, it's awesome to hear.
Sean's Mexican Holiday
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You'll be happy to hear that we've booked a holiday as well, a bit unexpected. It's funny it comes up because it was actually a thing that we won at like a blind charity auction a couple of years, two years ago, like a local,
00:02:58
Speaker
charity event thing. And we actually won a trip to Mexico. And so we're like, we should probably do that before they don't honor it anymore. So we're doing that in a couple of weeks.
00:03:13
Speaker
or if I don't know, I don't even know what it is. I'm not the one booking it, but I know I'm going, I'm gonna show up and be there. So that's cool, we're excited about that. Be nice to get out of the snow and get some warm weather and enjoy all that. Yeah, absolutely, that sounds awesome. Yeah, make the most of it, especially if it's free, that's fantastic. So little of everything in life is, so yeah, make the most of it, my friend. I will try my best to remember the details of this vacation.
00:03:42
Speaker
I will try. And do not take the cats this time. No, no cats. They can stay here. They will stay here. They will be well looked after by probably the neighbors and their lovely cats and they'll get some good bonding time. Right. I think there's only a couple of things that
Sean's Cookie Obsession
00:04:03
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I have going on. I've also had, I don't know if
00:04:08
Speaker
I don't know if it will translate, but I've also had all of my Girl Scout cookie orders delivered from all the people that I ordered them from and consuming all of those has been fantastic or biscuits. I don't know. That's what I was going to slip into because you've had it in the show notes for the last two weeks and I keep forgetting to ask you what that's about. So I'm glad you explained. All I keep seeing is cookies. It's like, yes, please. What do you mean? What do you mean?
00:04:38
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I, you know, like, I always feel like I, I'm always afraid that like, I'm not going to get offered, like somebody's not going to have like their kid in Girl Scouts and, and I'm not going to get the link or I'm not going to see him at the grocery store outside selling them. So I'm like, whenever I get one from somebody, I'm like, I better, I better order it now. Cause you never know. Like this may be the only time.
00:05:00
Speaker
but then I order them and then another one comes in. I was like, well, these are the East Coast bakers and they have slightly different offerings. So I need to order from them as well. And then you'll get a third link from like a family member. And it's like, well, I gotta order some from them. Like next thing you know, you have 45 boxes of cookies that aren't going to eat themselves. So you gotta just eat them. So that's been a big part of my life.
00:05:31
Speaker
I just gotta eat him, I guess. And then the only other thing I have going on, and this is kind of more of a PR thing is, for no purpose, I've been doing some upgrades to Sean Bot on Blue Sky.
Tech Upgrades and Corrections
00:05:46
Speaker
He's gonna be a lot more intelligent now, hopefully, instead of just kind of pushing some of our favorite pod friends and things like that, it's gonna start,
00:05:57
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pushing some things like new Star Wars content, whether that's books, comics, TV shows, and other cool, interesting articles. So hopefully it'll become, the reason I built it was mainly for me so I could have like a source of information that's just kind of predictable and a place to go. And so I'm trying to flesh that out a little bit. And so it's more enjoyable for other people.
00:06:23
Speaker
So yeah, I think it's enjoyable and very helpful for an awful lot of people, mate, because in this little experimentation that you've been doing, you've actually become quite a valuable service to an awful lot of our friends as well. And you know as well as I, well, I hope you know that they appreciate what you guys, what you do for them, because it's pretty mind blowing. When you have an idea,
00:06:52
Speaker
and me and the cog start turning in your brain. It's quite pretty amazing what you, what you can achieve, uh, which benefits everyone, which is fantastic. Thanks buddy. I appreciate that. That's all I got. That's all I'm doing. That's all I got over here. So I've got a couple of corrections. So week, it's our, it's our, it's our week, week five and the second week of corrections. And I think this is going to be an ongoing.
00:07:20
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an ongoing theme going forward. So first of all, I made a comment around editing being equally as important as a key component of the filmmaking process. And I completely, completely misnamed, of course, our great Lord George Lucas, his first wife. And of course, it was Marsha Lucas that helped edit
00:07:49
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a new hope to make it the amazing, amazingly grounded and fantastical storytelling that it was, was very much down to her editing skills. And I think I called her Melinda Orson, which I think was actually Harrison's Ford's wife at some point as well. Anyway, point being, I got her name wrong and I've corrected that. Secondly, when I talked about War of the Worlds,
00:08:16
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And when we were talking about theme parks and one of my favorite experiences was an experience in London, which was very much focused on the 1800s, but based on the soundtrack released in the 70s. And it was Jeff Wayne, not Jeff Love. Jeff Love is a composer like Jeff Wayne, but Jeff Wayne is a funky composer, not traditional composer like Jeff Love. So that's that. And then lastly,
00:08:45
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in episode zero, when I talked about, when we talked about anthology type of TV shows that really fired us up and made, and we were quite inspired by, I mentioned a TV series on Prime called Tales The Loop, and it was inspired by, I believe, time, a French artist whose name I couldn't remember. And luckily, our friend Craig jumped in, parachuted like a
00:09:15
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like a true trooper and saved me. And it's actually a Swedish artist, not a French artist, a gentleman called, and I'm gonna completely butcher this, Simon Stellanhag. So if anyone knows the work of Simon Stellanhag, again, we talked about picturesque and rolling fields in, shall we say, Central America, sorry, in the South somewhere.
00:09:43
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and mixed with a little bit of high-tech or steampunk tank that's based on that particular artist, I got it wrong. And thank you, Craig, for putting me right there. Already talked to you about going to the theater at the weekend. I forgot to say we're actually going to see the mouse trap. And the mouse trap is a very famous Agatha Christie play that's never been released on media in any kind of way, because the point being, it's been the, I think it's the most long, it's the longest play
00:10:12
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that's been in the West End since the West End existed. So it's the most longest running play of this Agatha Christie murder mystery. Never ever found its way to the TV, never ever found its way to the silver screen in any kind of way. Because the idea being is it's only the viewers or the people that go and see the play
00:10:42
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know the final outcome and who did it and it's been going for 70, 80 years now and it's a treat for Lucy to get us over the, should we say some of the difficult stuff that we've been going on during the early months of the year. Two of the things have happened this week for me.
Andy's Media Appearances
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I had about maybe one to two hours notice and I joined our friends over at the Scruffy Looking Podcast this week on Sunday because
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our friend Kev couldn't make it. And so I got a very quick call from our friend Chris said, do you fancy joining tonight? So it was great to join those guys. And they've been extremely complimentary as to what we're doing here. They'll learn, don't worry that we're completely making it up as we go along. But it was really nice to hear from them and spend some time with them and really, really just
00:11:34
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And because I hadn't planned for it either, it felt like really quite natural to just join in their shtick rather than try in any way to contribute to it. So I really enjoyed it. And then lastly, obviously all of us in our little friendship group got together on Saturday evening as well. And we had a bit of a hangout on Discord, which I found
00:11:56
Speaker
uh, amazing if I'm perfectly honest with you. Uh, it was lovely speaking and seeing, and seeing people that I hadn't spoken or seen since, since, um, uh, properly since celebration in, uh, in, in 2023. And it was lovely just catching up with them and it felt, felt quite natural. It felt as if it only been yesterday since I last spoke to them. So that was really, really nice. And that's kind of been, um, been my, been my week. Um,
00:12:24
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What we're watching at the moment, it's been really, really, and I'll flip this back to you in a second. What I've been watching hasn't really changed much from, oh, no, Crikey. No, no, not even going there at the moment. News. Well, I don't know, which way do you want to do it? Do we have a plan? Let's just keep... Or do you not have a plan? Let's just roll with what we're watching and stuff, and then we can say we're a big one for the end.
00:12:45
Speaker
Yeah, what we're watching, what we're watching. Okay, so For All Mankind, it's been a really quiet week for me this week. I've been trying to play catch up an awful lot of work that I missed in the last couple, the previous couple of weeks because of everything that's been going on. Carrying on with For All Mankind, nearly finished season three, but still on season three. So I haven't made much progress, but we're approaching the end now. Not as good as seasons one and two, I have to say. And that's because it's now gone a little bit more fantastical.
00:13:14
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So it's gone beyond the kind of history as we knew it or the perverse skew on history as we knew it towards the travel beyond
Nostalgia and Podcast Recommendations
00:13:24
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the moon and more future tech albeit it's still being in the 90s and the 2000s. But so I'm missing a little bit of that whole, that skewed history approach to the whole thing. Still a really, really good story, greatly acted and looking forward to
00:13:42
Speaker
putting this thing to bed. Had a night to myself last night, I think it was, simply because there's so much stuff going on, and Lucy, as well as myself, trying to catch up on a few things. So I actually had the TV to myself last night, had a little bit of nostalgia, and I watched The Thing with Kurt Russell. Hadn't seen that for absolutely years, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. What was interesting, what was really, really interesting was how
00:14:11
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timeless the whole thing is and what a classic it is and I thoroughly enjoyed it. But what made me laugh the most was the canned foley in the whole thing. I don't know if you've ever noticed it. Bearing in mind the soundtrack is amazing and it's really, really deep and dark and foreboding. Bearing in mind that the effects at the time were really quite revolutionary.
00:14:37
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Um, and, and, and, and, and fantastic and quite frankly, stomach churning, some of it. Um, but the Foley in the background. So for example, when, when, when a window pane is smashed, it is smashed or when a revolver is fired, it's straight out of the fifties and sixties. And that, that I found for the first time ever from having not watched it for quite a few years. I found that quite bizarre, but also quite funny as well.
00:15:03
Speaker
But I thoroughly enjoyed that. And the reason why I'm watching it is I didn't realize there's a prequel to The Thing called The Thing. It's actually, it's not called anything else but The Thing. And it's a prequel to The Thing. And it's based on the story of the Norwegian outpost that originally found
00:15:26
Speaker
the wrecked flying saucer that had been buried in ice for 100,000 years. And I didn't know it existed. And it's not that old. It's only about 10, 15 years old. So I'm looking forward to seeing that, but at the same time, wanting to catch up on that first. So that's essentially what I'm watching. Still catching up as a family, collectively on scrubs, and of course in the background while I'm cooking, Battlestar Galactica reboot.
00:15:56
Speaker
three, three last things, I promise you. The first being was that there are three pods this week that I thought were fantastic. The first being that geek pop, shout out to Catherine Nene, in that she had a really, really good, a really great actually pod this week, where she describes with her buddy Matt, they talk about
00:16:22
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really good translations from the written page, from novels to the silver screen. And they go into quite a lot of depth, especially around some of the novels and the narrative that either of them, both of them enjoy in Matt's area.
00:16:39
Speaker
He likes an awful lot of his Kubrick and a lot of his, I'm trying to think, come on, Stephen King, Stephen King. And in the meantime, obviously, Catherine likes an awful lot of her classics. And it's a really, really good conversation. By the way, and if she listens, I hope she does listen. I'm calling out now, we have the idea first, in that we're looking at this moment in time to look at
00:17:09
Speaker
comics games and novels and having a discussion around their translation to silver screen. But I do concede you guys did a really good job, so we'll cut out novels from that idea, which probably would save us an awful lot of waffling anyway, because as we all know, I don't read that much anyway. So no, but I really do recommend it. All joking aside, I really do recommend it, because it's a really, really good listen. Also this week as well was Star Wars Spelt Act.
00:17:38
Speaker
that Star Wars spelled out. So Josh had our friend Buddy Hawes on that pod. And that was delightful because you could tell that, I mean, Hawes is Hawes and God, you get him on a podcast and he just slips in. It's like he's wearing a, he slips into a pod and into a narrative and a conversation like a pair of well-worn slippers. I mean, it's really slick and they go into an awful lot of collecting.
00:18:06
Speaker
and their background around collecting and where they are at the moment. And Josh is obviously on the bandwagon to try and complete the original vintage run, including the final 17, the final 12, the final, I can't remember anyway. Point being is that it's a really, really good listen. And another shout out to Star Wars spell out is that Josh has recently set up a YouTube channel as well.
00:18:34
Speaker
So an awful lot of this stuff, these experiences, but not only the pod itself, but also the stuff he's buying in vintage form. He's actually putting it online as well in YouTube to show everyone what he's buying in. And it's really, really cool stuff. I love that kind of stuff, the unpacking of boxes and what kind of treasures the guy's finding. It's really compelling watching. And then lastly, something that you put me onto with our buddy Rick. Do you want to talk about that?
00:19:05
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Yeah, I can jump in there. Good friend Rick, Rick Villanueva over at Jam Transmissions gave us a lovely shout out at the end of their most recent episode. Big thanks to Rick. Rick's a good dude. I think his podcast is
00:19:26
Speaker
is a good listen, especially if you have an interest in the books and comics, but also if you have an interest but don't have time. I think it helps a lot to hear their spoiler-free reviews and then the spoiler-full reviews.
00:19:47
Speaker
especially for for people who maybe don't have time to read or you're just trying to find that that spark to get back into reading. That podcast has been killer. And a big shout out to Rick. Thank you. Thanks for calling us out and all the nice the kind words. It's been really cool. I have to say for to Rick, thank you very much indeed. I don't I we don't know each other particularly well. And I've only feel as if I'm getting to know him in recent weeks.
00:20:14
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Um, because of, because of what we're doing here, but also, um, our paths are starting to cross and I've now started subscribing to John transitions myself. And I have to say, I listened to the episode that you called, you told me that he called us out on not knowing, not, or not understanding, or maybe comprehending that the guy had his own pod as well. And I, it's a really smart podcast.
00:20:40
Speaker
It's a really, really clever podcast. The guy knows exactly what he's doing and what he wants to be. And I thoroughly enjoyed it. So Rick, if you're listening, thank you for becoming my friend on the social media stuff. And thank you for the call out. And I'm loving what I'm hearing so far on the pod as well. So thank you very much.
Sean's TV and Movie Reviews
00:21:03
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Okay, so what about yourself, my friend? Anything else that I've missed that you might be watching apart from maybe our main discussion point today? Anything else you're watching? How is Master of the Air going? Is it still going? Is it still going? It's still going. The story is kind of how I expected. It's completely off the rails now and I'm loving it. Good.
00:21:33
Speaker
It kind of follows that same formula where it's like, here's all the people and this is not a spoiler and now they're gone and here's a couple. And so yeah, and it's actually taking some directions that I was not expecting. This most recent episode was
00:21:53
Speaker
was really quite good in terms of cinematography. Like when they first start out, these are all kind of like obviously non-spoiler pieces. It's like, in the beginning, there's a lot of airplanes and you kind of can't keep track of what's going on. It's like, okay, there's an airplane, now that airplane's gone, here's another airplane. This one really kind of, this last episode really honed in on
00:22:19
Speaker
a single airplane in a single aircraft. And so it kind of took some of the chaos out of it. And it was just a shot really well. I mean, I don't know how much of it's real, but assume you get what I'm saying. Like the cinematography was really, really quite interesting and kind of a break from the normal. But no, I'm loving it. It's good. I'm excited for the next couple of episodes. So does that make it more a little bit like Memphis Bell, which is more of a you know, they singled out a particular
00:22:49
Speaker
a particular plane, which made you kind of experience the characters and the individuals involved in crewing that plane and their story and the rest of it, as opposed to... This most recent episode, yeah. This most recent episode, yeah. So it kind of honed in on them and their individual experience of what was going on and kind of more of the...
00:23:16
Speaker
less action fighter dog fighting kind of cut, cut, cut, cut, cut and more of a, let's sit with it. Similar to what we talked about last week with like what the Marvel's lacked of like, it gave it space. You could see people's emotions and reactions and it's not just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. It was, you could see their thought process and like things like that. And I don't know, it was just, it was a nice separation from maybe the norm. It was pretty cool.
00:23:45
Speaker
Outside of that, we did watch two movies this week. One of them was an Oscar nom, and that one is Anatomy of a Fall.
00:23:55
Speaker
Um, similar. So when I talked about watching past lives and the, the things that made me feel in how that was really, that made me really happy. And like, I really enjoyed that movie anatomy of a fall is kind of like the same caliber of movie, but it's all the feelings that I don't want to feel. Um, and don't don't want, um, it was a really good movie. I do not ever want to watch it again. Um, yeah.
00:24:24
Speaker
But it's it was it was a good. Yeah, I mean, I can't really talk about it much because it's spoiler, but it's it was interesting. It's one of those movies that's kind of a thought piece. Just just just give me the premise because there's so much to watch. And so the premise is there is a wife and their
00:24:45
Speaker
They have a blind son, her and her husband, and the beginning of the movie starts out maybe a couple minutes in, the husband dies. He's found outside in the snow and the whole movie is trying to figure out how did he die and like kind of
00:25:07
Speaker
going going through that but it's not it's not like a fun knives out kind of like oh who done it it's more of a introspection into the the roles we play in society how the court and public sees you
00:25:30
Speaker
not knowing the full picture so like trying to read people and their intentions and like the interconnection of like relationships and how dirty those can be but in private that's like you just know that's how it is but then when exposed in a pea like a narrow window people can see that differently um and rake you over the coals or not um and so it's a
00:25:56
Speaker
It's a long romp in that world where it's just like...
00:26:01
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kind of squirming on the couch, be like, yeah, I think I'm ready for this to be over and to have answers, because you don't know, you don't know how it happened. So you're just kind of along for the ride and sitting in your own uncomfortable feelings or thoughts or perceptions of how it's going down and how people are treated or treating others. And you're like, hmm, ah, ooh, I do not like this, no thanks. Dude, some of the best films I've ever watched, I could not go back to.
00:26:30
Speaker
There's an awful lot of amazing acting, accolades, awards for pieces of art and cinema that are well deserved.
00:26:46
Speaker
once you've seen them, you're kind of like, yeah, that's the reason why they got the award that they did. But it's not one of those ones you stick in on the background for a bit of fun, is it? So yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean in terms of kind of, it's worth watching. But no, it's on the list now. So I'll get back to you. I'll get back to you.
00:27:09
Speaker
The other movie we watched is based on a book, a book series that Madison's been reading recently, and it's called The Circle. So she enjoyed the book a lot because before we moved to here, we actually lived in Silicon Valley. And so we're pretty familiar with kind of that
00:27:35
Speaker
culture. And it can maybe be a little too real at times like the TV show Silicon Valley. It was kind of like, ah, this is life. uncomfortable. But the circle the premise is like, kind of like a Facebook kind of took over and like really, this is the cameras everywhere. And it was made into a film with Tom Hanks, right?
00:27:58
Speaker
Tom Hanks and Emma Watson, which was- Emma Watson, yeah. Yeah, Emma Watson's probably the only reason why I was like, yeah, okay, I'll watch it. I'll see what's- Yeah. You have piqued my interest. The movie was kind of awful. It wasn't, yeah, it was not good. It's like it started strong and then it just kind of immediately goes off the rails and it's like, it's like you took, like you knew where you wanted to go and you were like, crap, we don't have time. Like, let's just,
00:28:27
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see what happens. So yeah, that was not good. I don't recommend it. Yeah, not for me. But I also listened to a bunch of pods. And that's about it. Besides the, you know, the, the giant, the three giant giant elephants in the room. That's all I pretty much watched. So so going back to the sorry, I have to ask to go back to the circle. Madison's really into the books, right?
00:28:55
Speaker
the books are worth reading. Yes. I will have to ask her about that. I mean, I know she just finished the second one. And it's one of those things. It's like, do you recommend it? Like, oh, I'm sucked into this. I'm sucked into this. And I'm I have to see it through. But do I recommend other people getting it? I don't know. My attention to I'm a little bit I mean, you mentioned it a couple of weeks back. So I feel as if I've got your I've got you've kind of given me the opportunity to also
00:29:26
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admit that an awful lot of my reading over the years has actually been kind of young, young, young adult reading simply because it's, it's almost like disposable. Do you understand what I mean? It's not, it doesn't, it doesn't need an awful lot of brain power to get through some very, very good stories. One of those, one of those, um, my kids got me onto the, onto, um, the Maze Runner, the Maze Runner. Um, my kids, um,
00:29:55
Speaker
got me into Harry Potter, or sorry, got me into reading Harry Potter. I don't necessarily, I don't feel as attached to that series as perhaps they do, but they also got me into part of our, you know, dad bonding with his kids, or trying to as best he can moments. They got me into the Hunger Games. And then a spin off of that was,
00:30:25
Speaker
Twilight, which I never ever, I got halfway through the first book and I could not go there. I wanted to bond with my daughters so that we could have a conversation about something that we'd experienced together and I just couldn't get into Twilight. And they were at the right age at the right time when the films came out, exactly the right time for them.
00:30:53
Speaker
they were discovering themselves as young ladies and that was one step too far for me and I couldn't go down there. But they did turn me on to the Maze Runner series and I loved it. I really, really enjoyed it. And then the films came out and then there was some sort of really messed up
00:31:16
Speaker
thing that happened in the lead actor kind of got into a serious accident or had some problems and they kind of just kind of threw out the last of the series of the films and it was a bit disappointing because I felt that the novels actually themselves were set up for themselves and they were quite an interesting story about this kind of idea of the dystopian future and the kids are kind of like the key to
00:31:45
Speaker
uh, the, the, the, the continuation of the, of, of the adults, um, and, and then finding a way, a way forward. And, um, yeah, no, sorry. It's a long winded way of saying, if you could ask Madison, if it's, if it's, you know, that, that's, that's something that I can pursue and pick up with, with the girls, because we tend not to bond so much on the, should we say the more harder narrative, we kind of just choose the,
00:32:16
Speaker
popcorn books to kind of discuss together, that would be appreciated anyway.
00:32:23
Speaker
You you I will I will do that. I will do that. And you also piqued my interest because I remember hearing something about that Maze Runner accident and looking at it now, the lead while filming those like the sequel, he was in a harness on he was injured during a stunt where he's pulled off of a moving vehicle and hit by another one. He had concussions, facial fractures and brain trauma. And so I think they were like,
00:32:50
Speaker
Yeah, that's yeah, brutal. Yeah, I mean, I believe they finished it. I think the last one I saw they actually did finish the series, but it was it was it had that huge hiatus between between releases that it kind of almost. It kind of almost. Lost its way, if you know what I mean, it lost its its way. Anyway, it can put it can put a damper on things for sure. We we've we've kind of covered
00:33:20
Speaker
Oh no, sorry, there's one bit of news I've got. So news for, sorry, for everyone, as you kind of guessed, folks, the news this week is really gonna be all about the bad batch and having our first, as this podcast is concerned, having our first Star Wars new series to talk about. But before we get there, there is one bit of news I picked up literally today
00:33:48
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because I thought, gosh, a bit sad if we only talk about what's on TV today. And that's Gareth Edwards, my favorite director, as you know, at the moment, famous for Rogue One, but most importantly for the creator, which was a genius piece of filmmaking.
Gareth Edwards and Jurassic World
00:34:05
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He's in talks, apparently, to make the next Jurassic World movie, which I find fascinating. And I really hope that they give him the creative freedom that he deserves in order to make it, because I'd hate
00:34:19
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I think we saw with Rogue One, I mean don't get me wrong, Rogue One is still, and will be to this day, my favourite Star Wars film post-Disney acquisition, without a doubt, by a country mile.
00:34:36
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There were problems, as we all know, because of course we get to see too much of perhaps sometimes of how the sausage is made. It did face some issues, hence the reason why Tony Gilroy got involved. The creator was very much his baby and he was given full creative freedom and I love it. I don't talk about it each week because quite frankly, it is on in the background all the frigging time at my house because I love it. I love the way it's shot. I love the
00:35:05
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story of how it was shot. I love everything about that film. And as a result, my respect for Gareth, sorry, for, yeah, for Gareth has gone through the roof. However, as I said, he has been approached by Amblin to take the next trilogy or start the next trilogy of Jurassic World films. And that's great because he's clearly getting the recognition that he needs to or should have had.
00:35:31
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up until now as being a really, really good filmmaker. My only concern is that I really hope he doesn't have an executive on his shoulder, compromising his creative control, not liking his style, wanting a little bit more reassurance in relation to the investment they're putting in as a studio.
00:35:57
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And that he really is truly given the creative freedom that I hope he is. Now, Amblin, obviously being owned by Spielberg, I really hope that Spielberg sees him as akin to the way that he used to film make, you know, quite a few decades ago and will give him the
00:36:14
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the opportunity to reinvent that franchise. Because I do like Jurassic Park. It's daft, it's stupid. I feel the same way about Jurassic Park as I do about kaiju movies. It's stupid, great, monster fun. It's only when humans are involved typically in Jurassic Park when it gets a bit stupid, when it gets a bit daft. The other stuff is fantastic. So I really, really do hope Gareth has given the opportunity to
00:36:40
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not only do what he does best with monster movies and his camera techniques, but also to make the human story a proper human story and not perhaps something that's a little bit more cheesy in order to placate the studio. So that's the only additional news I've got for this week.
00:37:09
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So for the Jurassic Park stuff, or Jurassic World and Garrett stuff, it's exciting. But a part of me, I feel torn, because it's like, especially since they're kind of, they're calling it like the start of the next Jurassic World trilogy, which obviously that can change, but it's like, what, like I appreciate it's kind of like on the nose aspects. Like the last couple movies were a bit,
00:37:37
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whatever. Especially like the last one where it's like we're going to bring everybody like you kind of felt like that was the culmination of it like everybody's together. And so that the here that they're kind of springing it up. It's like I was hoping for like a reboot and kind of have it be like pick a pick a lane like is it going to be total camp or is it going to be like
00:37:59
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a slightly different universe of Planet of the Apes, but it's like, the dinosaurs are coming. What are we gonna do? But now it sounds like this is almost a continuation of like,
00:38:13
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how the cynical side of me could just sit there and go, it's like, how do you get more? Like, how do you get another big corporation that makes, expands it? And it's like, and it expands, it's like, now dinosaurs are everywhere. Or is it fast and furious? Are we gonna have dinosaurs in space? Is it? Yeah, I must admit, I hadn't heard that bit. So I really hope it's not a continuation. I mean, that's just kind of what I've seen online. I don't know if that's... I really, I really hope not. I actually,
00:38:43
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I actually hope it really is. They probably need to acknowledge what's come in the past, but it does need something fresh. And I think that, I mean, in my mind, the way that Gareth did Godzilla and rebooted that whole thing,
00:39:06
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And we forget that the previous film before that was the Matthew Broderick film and it was not good. It was not good at all. And Gareth almost created a renaissance that was, sorry, introduced, established a renaissance which allowed us to kind of respect the original Japanese take on Godzilla with a little bit of
00:39:34
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Hollywood cheese sprinkled on top. But the point being is, is, is it got us back to basics in that, you know, it wasn't a, it wasn't a, it wasn't a dinosaur, it was a lizard. It's a gigantic lizard that is, that is, that is out there and crushing stuff. And, you know, the idea of the, the aesthetics of Godzilla being, you know,
00:40:01
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very akin to a guy in a rubber suit, which was the original aesthetics of... Was fantastic, but the, you know, the human story behind it was genuine, and it not being a cheesy... A cheesy... Something a little bit cheesy. So I really hope... Anyway, I could be... I could be completely wrong.
00:40:22
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There's no reason why it needs to be gratuitous. There's no reason why it needs to be lots of blood and guts. It can still be a good family flick, but it would be good to see it in the way that Gareth kind of, and this is what I love, sorry, we're going off at times, we shouldn't be spending so much time on this, but his first blockbuster or his first movie, Monsters, was brilliant.
00:40:52
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He's actually filming an awful lot of this destruction and everything that supposedly is down to these alien species that have landed on Earth or these monsters that are living in the Amazonian jungle. And they end up being benevolent.
00:41:15
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benevolent, sorry, and they end up being quite peaceful. I mean, you know, the closing scenes of that movie is that actually his man is the problem, not so much the dinosaur's knife. And that, if he can bring that kind of emotion into it, the same way that I haven't felt about Jurassic Park since that very, very first scene of the of the herd, you know, the, I don't know if it's a
00:41:43
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brachiosaurus or a diplodocus or whatever it is, that first shot that we see of this, these amazingly graceful animals out there, dinosaur, sorry, that are out there that are living in harmony with each other before the shit hits the fan. If you can do something like that and bring those kind of original emotions back, then, and the human wander
00:42:10
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that goes with that, that will be amazing. Sorry, I've drifted off because I'm thinking romantically about what I think Gareth could do if he's given his own creative reign. That's good stuff, man. I like it. I do. Thanks. That's talking about the stuff we're passionate about, man. That's the tasty bits. I just think he's better than...
00:42:40
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I just think it's such an oxymoron. It really is. But I just think he's better than blockbuster films. Does that make sense? I hope that makes sense. He's just better than than doing blockbusters. He doesn't need he doesn't. Oh, we just so we deserve Gareth. Yeah, if Gareth is that celebration and there's a panel, I expect you to be either front row or to be heard from throughout the entire auditorium.
00:43:09
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You've seen, you've seen Catherine the way that she behaves around Diego Luna. I'm, yeah, I'm going to be fanboying out to Gareth, even if he's two or three, you know, two or three meeting halls away, I'll be shouting his name. Yeah, the guys, the guys, the guys are genius. I love him to bits. And he's got, he's got that,
00:43:30
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humble, raw emotion. He's got that knowledge for a start. I mean, listening to him talking about how his knowledge on filmmaking is better than, and VFX and SFX is better than pretty much anyone in the director's chair today because he experienced it himself. It's his training. His whole attitude towards budget, budgeting,
00:43:58
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and have money management and not essentially pissing money up against the wall nor to make a blockbuster because you can, and then running out of money because you've overspent. I think it's phenomenal. That kind of maturity in terms of the way he approaches any kind of film, which essentially is a commercial product and people expect to return on their investment, I think is amazing. And then on top of that, you've got this kind of
00:44:25
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I keep overusing the world, but it's Gorilla style of filmmaking that he does, where he's the one behind the camera. He doesn't have a film crew of 10 people. He prefers it. He's the one with the lens, you know, with the lens finder behind him. And I don't know, I just think it's
00:44:46
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frigging cool. He'll eventually need some help on this kind of stuff, but while he's young enough and enthusiastic enough to make the kind of movies that he is making at the moment, I say fair play, go for it. So does that mean that you are or are not excited that they're releasing a six-inch black series of him and his character in Rogue One?
00:45:06
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that may or may not be fake information. I'm just sneaking into this episode like we talked about. Well, I may already have a custom head for my rebel fleet trooper that might be already bought and on its way to me to custom. I just can't paint the thing, but I'll save it for you to paint it for me.
00:45:27
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No, no, I won't be by. I'm not. I'm a fanboy, but I'm not that much of a fanboy. I'm a fanboy, mate, but I'm not that much of a fanboy. No, I won't be doing that. All right, let's let's talk about the news, the real news and the real news is, is that
00:45:48
Speaker
We are taking a road trip across the US. Woo hoo. We are. No, no, no. Five weeks ago. Just tripping. Woo hoo. Spin off. We can make it a franchise. We're turning this into a franchise now. We've now got. Yeah, I love it. Sorry. We have two lemonade stands. We have the bad batch. The bad batch is back.
00:46:15
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Since we started this gig, what, five weeks ago, six weeks ago now, we've been, should we say, filling time, a little bit of time, talking about stuff that we like. And that won't stop, by the way, guys. We've got a list, in fact, in front of me at this moment in time, of stuff that we want to talk about over the coming weeks, and it just keeps growing. But in the meantime, we've got a new Star Wars series that's come out.
Bad Batch Season 3 Premiere Discussion
00:46:39
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It's season three of The Bad Batch, the first three episodes
00:46:43
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landed today and Sean over to you buddy general impressions they were good
00:47:00
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Brilliant. And that'll be it. Absolutely brilliant. No. Good night, guys. Thank you. Yeah. Welcome to just filling. You know, filling until a bad batch comes on. I really enjoyed them. I watched them this morning when I got up. Three episodes as a premiere is, at first I was like, that's a bit much. And then we're a little arrogant. You know, just here you go. Here's a bunch. But after watching them,
00:47:29
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I won't, I'm not going to dive into like the deep, the deep stuff that we'll talk about in a minute, but I'll just kind of give high, low impressions. Like I really enjoyed that the first episode was once again, given room to breathe. Like it really emphasized the, the not just the time, but the monotony of kind of the losing track of time. Um,
00:47:53
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Like it's very, it wasn't super on the nose like some of the animation things can be. It's like you slowly see more of the ticks and stuff being drawn on the wall and just kind of the subtle aging, the hair, the facial structure, the things like that, the things changing and just really kind of giving a sense of like hopelessness in a lot of ways. That was really cool. I have some,
00:48:18
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deeper questions, but I'd love to get your high level. Did you enjoy it? Are you feeling it? Are you excited? I thought it was great. Where are you at? I thought it was great. I understand why they released three, because as is always the way, they're looking for new subs. They're looking to keep the excitement going. Had they released the first episode, which actually I thought was the strongest out of all three, if I'm perfectly honest with you, because it focused on Omega.
00:48:47
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or Omega or Omega. I thought it was really, really good. And I thought it was some really, I mean, it's animation, but it's the most, some of it was absolutely tear jerking for me. And we'll go into that in a second. But no, I think it's a really, really strong start. And I love the idea that
00:49:08
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You know, the three episodes that we'll talk about in a sec didn't end with an automatic conclusion that we're back to normal. Yes, they've made progress, but there's still a long way to go to get to safety and to reunite with the rest of the boys.
00:49:38
Speaker
Although the rest of the boys seems a lot fewer these days, it seemed really, one of the things that seemed really strange to me, and I know we'll talk about it later on, but was that it was just literally wrecker and, I was about to say wrecker and Rambo, wrecker and hunter. It's really strange that it's just the two of them on that ship now.
00:50:06
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Of course it's only the two of them at the moment and I kind of forgotten along the way how much that whole team have been compromised and what they went through in season two. No, I thought it was really good and I can't think of a better opening episode than that first episode. It was so
00:50:26
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damn meaningful. It was actually, I would say, more poetic than an awful lot of live action. I'm not talking live action in Star Wars. I'm talking live action fantasy and science fiction and fantasy that we see today. It really showed
00:50:43
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a heck of a lot of pain and the passing of time. Anyway, I loved it. Absolutely loved it. So I don't know how anyone do this. I mean, maybe we should have worked this out before we started recording. But hey, we are what we are. We are what we are. But I've got some
00:51:00
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I got some thoughts on, on, on episode one, but I want to give you the chance to, I've actually haven't got an awful lot of thoughts on episode one, but I want to, you know, do this respectfully between the two of us. What, what are you, what, what came out of the way? I mean, episode one was very much focused on, uh, Omega being, uh, on Matt Tantis and being used, uh,
00:51:25
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and working, if you like, for the establishment. And her, if you like, trying to hold on to the last spark of energy and resistance that she's got to try and get away, but obviously, over time finding herself within the machine that is being part of the experimental
00:51:51
Speaker
or sorry, the science base that is Mount Tantus. Tell me your thoughts on episode one. And do you know what I haven't done either is I haven't actually brought the names of the episodes out. What was episode one called? Confined. I saw you type that. You just brought it up, didn't you? No, I have it on my notes. Episode one is Confined. Episode two is Paths Unknown. Episode three is Shadows of Tantus.
00:52:17
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I was trying, I was actually typing, trying to remember the name of the stupid bad guy who I despise more than life itself. Dr. Hemlock. It's like, I'm like, oh, dude, he is the he is the worst. He's a he's a he's a he's a damn good voice actor, isn't he? He's the guy that was in Westworld, you know? Yeah, he was the guy that I can't remember the actor's name. But honestly, in terms of
00:52:46
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a a a a slight but god damn it terrifying voice he's got it off par so sorry tell me about episode one what do you think well just just the final like because i think he is a big part of kind of episode one for me of like just remembering how kind of uh genuinely like genuinely terrifying he is um i think a big piece of that is the fact that they
00:53:17
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I know when they record these voice actors, it's like, you know, it's pretty, I imagine it's pretty standard. But with him, they're like, no, we're gonna let him speak like really close to the mic and just, it's like he's in your ear. Even if he's across the room on the show and he's talking, it's like he's, it's like he's whispering.
00:53:34
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in your ear the whole time really menacingly and it's like I don't I don't like this please like he's too close he's not close but I feel like he's breathing on my neck and I don't like it uh so he does a really a really good job and what he does um with the rest of episode one I think it was there isn't a lot to say about it because
00:53:57
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It was given room to breathe. They didn't try to pack too much in. They were really setting the stakes and some people could probably, like they obviously put out three, because if you just released that first episode, people will piss and moan and be like, oh, excuse me. It was, oh, it's filler. Oh, it's filler. Nothing happened. It wasn't exciting. There was no pew pew, no lightsabers, whatever. But I thought that first episode was perfect.
00:54:25
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because it literally, it emphasizes wholly and completely that no, time has passed. Like it's not good. It's not a, oh, I've been here for two days and then the heist and we can get out and whatever, whatever. It's like, it's still an animation. It's still an animated show. Like they still kind of telegraph things of like, this is foreshadowing. This is what, this is a potential escape route. This is whatever.
00:54:55
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But I really, really enjoyed it and I don't. We know of live action that have taken a shorter route to being resolved, right? So I mean, there are certain, I mean, we are a positive podcast and we will remain to be a positive podcast, but we're being really positive about the bad batch because there have been other examples of live action that have ended with a very traumatic situation.
00:55:24
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and a very heart-wrenching situation that has been resolved by the next episode or halfway through the subsequent series for a different character, for example. You know what I mean by that? It's like the idea of a cartoon, of an animation having this kind of pacing, I think is phenomenal. And it was in my notes, but I've got to compliment you on picking up Hemlock because if you think about Star Wars,
00:55:55
Speaker
and typically the bad guys are moustache twirling bad guys. These guys are good, these guys are bad, and the bad guys are overtly bad. It's no secret, my favorite live TV Star Wars is Andor, as it is with many people at the moment. And I'm getting,
00:56:24
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The fact that they've got in live action TV, but also in animation as well, too very quiet, subdued, and perversely happy people in the work that they do, which they know hurts others, is really clever, especially for an animation. So for example, I've got down in my notes, I don't want to read them out too early.
00:56:50
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But Hemlock reminds me of Dr. Gorse. Is it Dr. Gorse? The guy that ends up torturing Bix. The guy that's really happy about his job. He captures Bix in, sorry, Bix is captured and brought in for interrogation by the Imperial forces to find out, you know, what's going on with Andor. What's this about the transmitter that she's got going on?
00:57:19
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with the rebellion. And his means of torture is the screams of this alien species, of the children of the alien species that's being killed. It's that kind of character. I mean, for me, Hemlock is that kind of character in that they're, are they physically,
00:57:47
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Do they have any prowess physically? No, they don't. Do they have any skills as a pilot or a fighter or wielding a laser sword? No, they don't. They're just really intelligent people that have a really perverse view or sorry, a perverse pride in their work. And I find that really fascinating. Well, I found it... Refreshing is probably the wrong word to use, but I found it amazing in Andor.
00:58:17
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But the fact that it's now that type of character is also in animation as well, which supposedly should be for a younger demographic, I find mind-blowing, absolutely mind-blowing. And yeah, I hate him. I absolutely hate him. Well, I think a big part of it is when you remove the mysticism of the source of evil from somebody, and you just get into that truly driven, psychotic,
00:58:47
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sociopathic kind of tendencies. It's like, yeah, the Emperor and Darth Vader and those other they're, they're evil because of hate. Or one could argue it's like, oh, it's the dark side of the force influencing them. And especially somebody like Darth Vader, it's like, especially after all the stories they told all over all these years, it's like, okay, is he is he more of a victim?
00:59:08
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of a mystical hate and negativity, dark side, whatever. But then you have people like, and then on the other hand, you have people like Thrawn who it's like, okay, they're doing bad things. And sometimes it's like, oh, as a means to an end to protect their people or other means necessary. And then you have people like Hemlock who it's like, they're evil because of their sociopathic tendencies or just their sheer drive
00:59:38
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for power, success, status. And they are willing to, it's what the things that they don't say and the things that they don't do, that makes them even more terrifying. Like you don't, like Darth Vader will kill a bunch of people because he rages and he's just like, and he can, he can just kill them all. But somebody like Hemlock, it's like, you don't see the rage in him. And it's not like he's not hurting people because of outbursts. It's methodical. It's like, I don't care
01:00:07
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about the the the collateral damage or the direct damage it's like it is a i believe in what i'm doing i is this is intentional it's methodical and that is is what makes it really creepy and terrifying a very good villain for my it's a lot more relatable right it's a lot more relatable and that's why it's really fucked up
01:00:29
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It's, it's really, really relatable. It's, it's, it's like, shit, I can, I know people like this. Whereas you don't know a double of this is, but so yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, I picked up, um, there's a, there's a couple of notes that I, I made and what I did, which is really interesting as I made them as, as I was watching the, the, the episode. So.
01:00:56
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These are the questions. They're just questions that I wrote while I was watching them, which might've been answered in the next episode. So I'll just read it out. For episode one, my first thought was, is Amiga, is Amiga force sensitive? Hence that Nala Say is destroying her, her blood sample. So that was the first question I had. Second question, sorry, second point I made was actually more of a statement than the question.
01:01:26
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her making the straw doll or the what's it called? The straw. No, no, no, it's it's it's it's the there's a there's a name for it. The straw doll is the I'll get I'll get to it. I'll get something cat. There's something cat. No, no, no, it's not a cat or something. It's a two. It's a two good doll. It's a two good doll. Anyway, point being is is
01:01:53
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Yeah, her making the straw to Godot melted my heart, absolutely melted my heart because just simple simplicity of its ear dropping and then her finding some more straw to stand it up bright and then she hugged it, just melted my heart. And then the last thing was the, I thought was really, really clever that came over was the repetition
01:02:22
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the repetition that went all the way through, all the way through that that first episode of the dripping tap. The the the the procedure of walking past. The clones that were being shipped off for the next stage, in particular, help me out here, guys, in particular. Crosshair, crosshair, in particular, crosshair and the and him looking so beaten.
01:02:52
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Um, every single day, uh, then obviously go to work for Nala say, um, having the blood tests destroyed and everything. And then it took me a while to realize her hair's grown, her hair's grown. She's now got a ponytail. And it was that I didn't suss it out in the, in the first viewing. I didn't suss it out immediately. And I thought that whole progression of time thing and showing that repetition, which of course was manifested with her.
01:03:21
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drawing the Roman numerals on the wall to show how many days she'd been there and everything. Again, nice callback to Force Awakens, but the point being is that there's an awful lot going on there. And yeah, no, I loved it. I really, really did love it. But my first point, and I guess my first point I made, which may well be answered in episode three, I'm still not sure we've answered it,
01:03:47
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is omega-4 sensitive. There is something with her blood that bonded with the DNA or the blood sample of the force user that they're clearly mixing in those samples in that laboratory environment. So I don't know whether it's
01:04:11
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Is she false sensitive or is what's being introduced to her blood is the false sensitive bit? Either way, it's retaining its M count, which I'm assuming is the metachlorian count. I'd like to know your thoughts on that. So I have a thought, just one thought. But I think it's more of a wish and a hope than a thought.
01:04:41
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It's, I am hoping that she is not force sensitive.
01:04:46
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And I'll clarify that. I am hoping that with, I hope they're throwing a curve ball with people. It's like, oh, MCOW equals, because MCOW equals force sensitivity. It's like, well, no, it doesn't. Like, metachlorian count doesn't necessarily mean force sensitivity. I'm hoping they're just, the crux of this is they're looking for a vessel, Project Necromancer and all that stuff. I'm hoping that it's, she has a high,
01:05:15
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M count so that they foresee her body and genes and whatever and blood as a good recipient for bad guy stuff, but not necessarily like, oh, she actually has active force capabilities. Like, I'm already not a huge, huge fan of it, like with Sabine in Ahsoka, like that was kind of like, yeah, a ship is sailed. It is. It feels like we're going nowhere as well.
01:05:43
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Yeah, it's like, it feels like we're doing that Ray, nobody, kind of anybody can be a hero. Surprise, no, they can't. I hope we don't do that again. I hope it's more of like, no, they engineered Omega as a clone, as like an experiment to be kind of like the next generation. And her body can handle the raised M-count and would be an ideal vessel, but not for sensitivity.
01:06:13
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I hope, I really, really hope that's where it goes. Yeah. So my thoughts, I agree with you. I agree with you because you wouldn't, I don't think she is false sensitive. I'm only picking that up because that's obviously the first thought I had. And then a lot of people, as you can imagine online thinking, is she false sensitive? I think they're introducing the false sensitivity into her blood.
01:06:41
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And it's, to your point, it's the actual receptacle. It's whether it actually works or not. So what you do is you introduce this- She's type O blood. She's good for everybody. But if you think about it, this shell, this shell, this clone,
01:07:06
Speaker
is a good receiver for this type of DNA or this type of modification to their DNA. Because I think that the thing being introduced into them is a little bit like the search for Grogu's Balad, for example, with the Mandalorian in that
01:07:33
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we've got a good receiver, we just need the to influence that with the force, the force DNA or m count. So I totally agree with that. I think it's about finding the right match, the right donor, the right donor, as you would do with, you know, with with with with with comment with with today's surgical practices. I also think that the reason why it's not working with the clones
01:07:59
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as opposed to Omega is don't forget Omega and her brother are unaltered clones. So they haven't, but they don't have the growth acceleration. They don't have the age acceleration that the others do as well. So they're as close to being a, they're a clone in that they've got the, if you like, the ability for their, for genetic manipulation
01:08:30
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because otherwise they wouldn't exist in the first place anyway, but they're, should we say, a pure, a purer version of the original DNA or the original code as opposed to perhaps the standard clones that have all of those, if you like, concentrates put into their DNA. So yeah, I'm totally in agreement with you. Yeah, I think,
01:08:59
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Oh, sorry. Well, just add just add to that really quick. I think I think you're right. I know they've I think Alpha is completely unaltered. No growth. No growth speed ups. No, no enhancements. But I feel like Omega just kind of the way Nala say is acting is like I feel like she wasn't given the enhancements. But I feel like maybe there was a perfected
01:09:26
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in genetic improvements made not necessarily battle enhancements and growth and those kinds of things, but I feel like she's maybe like kind of like the perfected product that was created and things kind of went away and we'll see. Yeah, it could be. I mean, in my mind, I see Omega as 24 karat gold as opposed to 18 or 9 karat gold.
01:09:55
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Um, it's that, it's that simple. It's because she's a pure, uh, a pure, uh, uh, version of the original, of the original, um, um, of the original donor. But, but yeah, you could be right. They, they could have, it could have been that they put more work into her and Boba. Don't know. No idea at all. Episode two, mate. Um, so we do episode two, we, we, we leave Mount Tantus for a while and we get to our boys. So we get to, um, wrecker and Rambo.
01:10:24
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And I'm not changing that now, by the way. We get to wreck her in Rambo and they're making strives to find her. What do you think? So there's kind of three major things that I took out of this that are kind of my main thoughts. So the first one is you can't ignore the predator handshake.
01:10:52
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I don't know when that went in or if it's like a nod, but that was cool with the clasp with the boys and stuff like that. I thought that was cool.
01:11:04
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The fact that they've got young clones and they came across them, I thought that was cool. Totally unexpected. Like middle, what were they, teenagers, early, late teens, middle teens. I thought that was kind of interesting. I knew there was always gonna be that one who's like, let's just bounce. Like, let's forget them, let's move on. But I'm glad that they didn't.
01:11:28
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Like I didn't want to have to do another three episode arc of like, get the ship back. Not that I have a problem with those, but it's just like, now's not the time. Now's not the time. We don't have go find, go get the ship back time. And the, but the big one, the big one for me is, is the, the, the Slither Vines, the first
01:11:48
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thing I thought of when they and I'd love to get your thoughts on this too. And when I first saw them and they start talking about how it was an experiment that just kind of went awry. I'm like, Ooh, is this like a
01:12:01
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Are they trying to tie in like high Republic stuff? Are they bringing in like the Dringier kind of, are they like re-animating them or kind of bringing that stuff into the more modern Star Wars times of like, oh, it's these plant creature, I mean, I'm probably gonna get some of this wrong because I haven't read all of the books, but like, oh, it's like a living plant creature monster things. But then halfway through the episode, it's like, JK, it's kind of like a giant sarlacc,
01:12:29
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in the swamp or whatever it's like okay so yeah are they kind of like making it like a sarlacc pit or that was a sarlacc right that was a sarlacc or they or am i thinking of two different things like are the vine creatures different from the giant sarlacc mouth in the ground like well that's but he did say it's something different hunter did say it's something different
01:12:55
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So I'm guessing, I mean, my thoughts were, my thoughts on that Sarlacc was, wow, that's a big Sarlacc. And the reason why I thought it was a Sarlacc though, was because the Sarlacc that's in, oh God, please don't roll your eyes, but in the Force Unleashed video game,
01:13:15
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Um, it looks like that's our lack. It's, it's, it's fucking huge, absolutely huge and a lot more slimy and a lot more, um, less kind of rubbery tentacles, more, you know, the tentacles.
01:13:33
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are friggin' huge, absolutely huge. And hence the reason why I've always thought that if that is the way, is that, that's the size that sarlats grow to. Maybe, just maybe, the sarlat in the June sea was quite a baby, actually. I don't know, I don't know. But I kind of took it as being a sarlat, but if it is part of the,
01:14:00
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Cylivines either way, maybe Cylivines are part of the Cylac. It's grown so big that it actually becomes part of the deforestation that's going on there. No idea, but I did like it though. I thought it looked trick, especially when that very last thermal detonator started tinkering around and making those noises as it was bouncing off its teeth. I thought that was really, really clever.
01:14:28
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Yeah, that was nice. But I thought the action and stuff was cool. I did get distracted for a part of the episode. This was kind of the less serious episode, obviously, for me. When they're like, oh, we have a power source, and you see Wrecker throw the gank droid on his back, I'm like, man, I really want a home battery backup system. I've been thinking about those for a long time.
01:14:55
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never done it, but it's like, man, I want one, but I want to like mod it to look like a gonk droid, like standing outside or just like a generator and put it like in a shell. And then I had to pause it because my mind went going crazy because I'm like, are they more like a generator or are they like a big battery? It's like, I don't know, like what is a gonk droid? I haven't gone to Wikipedia yet and like really dug into like what a gonk droid really is.
01:15:25
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I, I got distracted by that for a while. I think the answer is yes to both questions. The answer is yes. It can be whatever you want it to be. So, um, again, real time types it on my phone, which I'm reading out to you now in no particular order, Durand from season two took the, he took the over Sid's bar in season two.
01:15:54
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with the, oh God, what are they called? Come on. Anyway, he took over Sid's bar in season two. So it's nice that we started the season three or season three episode two with him, with him,
01:16:17
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with his mum because they're a criminal syndicate in their own right. And the bad batch are doing a job for them. Whereas the last time that they met, he was obviously on the offensive against the bad batch because they were aligned with Sid at the time. So that was really cool because of course, the last, the pike, sorry, the pikes, I forgot the pikes. The pikes were the criminal syndicate that Durand had the son with the,
01:16:46
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cut off horn. He was the one that was kind of leading them, but they betrayed him and so therefore ended up being saved actually by Omega. She's she took pity on the guy and got the the bad batch to kind of save him and and spare his life. So that was that was that was quite good. Clone Kids have got written down here. So yeah, cool. We relied on that Clone Kids I thought was quite good.
01:17:12
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I've got the next one I wrote down was donkey. We're aligned on that. So yeah, I thought that was great. The fact that he was being used as a backpack by record, I thought was awesome. If there is not, I mean, let's face it. They've already done. You've had two seasons already and Hasbro have done two iterations of the, um, of the bad batch already. I haven't got any of them because I just, I can't go down that rabbit hole, but, but the fact is, you know,
01:17:35
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there needs to be a deluxe record doll with Gonkey as a backpack on his back. If not, if not, they're throwing money away. Sarlak, I wrote down here. Sarlak, question mark. Sorry, carry on. I think they should just make a backpack with a Gonk Droid on it. Like, I don't even need the record doll. Just make a normal backpack with a Gonk on your back. That's what I want.
01:18:06
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What, that size? Actually for you and Madison, that would probably work actually. The amount of miles you guys put in, that probably would work. But yeah, I know you mean it. But I was thinking like those Yoda, like those Yoda backpacks or Chewbacca backpacks where you're like, shrapnel on top of your shoulders, but do like one where it's like a gunk droid just like harnessed to your back.
01:18:29
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There's someone we know that would say that's a good use of the license. Yeah, you're absolutely right. So, Sarlacc, in question mark, like you, I was like, is that a Sarlacc? What has he got to do with the, has he got anything to do with the Slythervines? But my biggest takeaway from episode two, and it's a personal thing, was I got major halo vibes from that.
01:18:59
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Halo and the flood, have you played Halo? Oh, I have, yes. Right, so the infestation of the flood, those little slither vines that were walking off on two legs and then throwing themselves at our heroes, they reminded me, I got massive Halo vibes from that particular moment.
01:19:26
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Initially when they were in the corridors of the laboratory that had been sacked because it had been bombarded from orbit. And they were originally there and they started running off and they had basically these big old, pustular type of vegetable sacks with legs. And then they kind of scared them and then ran off. And then when they started attacking them by throwing themselves through the air, that's straight out of Halo. Believe me, it's straight out of Halo.
01:19:56
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Halo 3 in particular, when you escape, when you're on your way out, I can't remember which stage it is, but on the way out and these things are flying at you, they cover you and they just start attacking you.
01:20:11
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They reminded, I got massive halo vibes from that moment. So, but I enjoyed it. And ultimately they found clues to where Omega had been set up, but they still don't have a location for Mount Antis. So they are still looking at the end of season two to try and find a final location. They have a system, but not a location. Which moves us on to episode three, mate.
01:20:41
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which was the last episode that we were able to see in today's premiere. What did you think of episode three? That episode was awesome. The foreshadowing came back of like, okay, we're going to escape through the animal shoot. That kind of came true. But the most distracting thing, I actually had to stop the episode for a minute and be like,
01:21:09
Speaker
I had to like rewind it and be like, okay, did that happen? Am I losing my mind? Was it something or was it not? But I sent you the picture on Discord. I'm like, who is that figure in the beginning of the episode? Like they showed them for like a half a second and then they just like, no, you're not gonna find out today. I'm like, I didn't, I haven't dug too deep. Like I just watched them. And so I'm like, does anybody, like, is it Asajj? Is she on a bounty there to go get somebody? Is it?
01:21:38
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some other person who's just a kind of come in and be a jerk later on? Or is it like, because it was definitely called out. It's that black shadowy figure. I don't know, mate. And I thought the same thing, although I didn't have as much visibility as you did on that. I have to say the lower portion of that figure looks exactly like I don't know if you remember Boosh. So the
01:22:08
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the bounty hunter that Leia borrowed his or her costume. So the idea of like the knee area, the knee to the lower calves being like a bandage material and then going down. But then again, you look at the upper part of the body and it's something completely different.
01:22:29
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Um, I have no idea, but that's definitely not a trooper. It's definitely not a, um, an Imperial of any kind because it's too, there's no uniform.
01:22:41
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It looks like a slim version of Cain and Jarrus. Like the mask in the markings of my first song is like, what the hell is that? But then it's like, okay, who'd be wearing a helmet that kind of completely covers them? And the only vibe I can get from it's like, it has to be a massage, just with like the angular, but like the body shape is different. So maybe it's another clone who's,
01:23:05
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Who's been turned maybe or something? If it's tech, I'm going to be pissed. The physicality, the physicality. Yeah, me too, buddy. The physicality seems a bit weird. On face value, which is the wrong thing to do in this day and age, it's a very masculine looking body.
01:23:28
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bearing in mind what we saw of the Asajj Ventress design in the trailer. That's what I'm trying to say without trying to say anything else. It's just the physicality looks very, very different. And I could be wrong. It might be a kind of deceiving kind of moment, but sorry, carry on. You know that we talked through it.
01:23:53
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Now that we've talked through it a little bit, and I have it pulled up on my phone, I'm just sitting here just staring at it while I was listening to you talk. It's like, dude, I have now switched sides. And I think this is a reanimated, not a reanimated, but a cobbled together tech that has been
01:24:13
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I bet some of that is droid. I bet that's why his legs look so weird. I know some of it's shading. Like the legs are the same. They're both that white, like long sock and bottom. And then like, I bet, like I could see this being tech. Like if I just cut my thumb over the helmet, it's like the same proportions. That's like a gnat. Yeah, because tech was leaner than some of the other guys.
01:24:43
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Yeah, no, I can see it. I can see it. Which would not be great unless they got something compelling to do with it. But it's like if they've if they've got him because OK, so to go into this episode even deeper, what is in those vats that they showed the emperor? Like in the when they they opened it up like, oh, here's this and this. It's like, are those the clones that they've been reprogramming and then you finally break them down enough
01:25:10
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or those are the ones that had like, okay blood. And so they're just kind of freezing them for now. Like, has tech already gone through that because he was so broken and he's just, or is he kind of like what crosshair was? Like, I have a lot of questions about what. I don't know. I don't know, dude. I mean, it's, I mean, what does Project Necromancer mean? That would, this is the only episode that this is, this is, isn't it funny how the animation is getting closer to
01:25:39
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the story of the sequel trilogy that actually the lie of animation did, which I'm sure it's related. I'm sure it's all interconnected and everything, but the idea, the whole point of necromancy is bringing someone back from the dead. It's what we talked about in episode zero, I believe it was. I truly believe that the stuff they're doing with Ahsoka and the Mando universe, and this, it's all culminating
01:26:06
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and tie into the sequel trilogy. It's like Project Necromancer is the Emperor transferring his body into a capable vessel, like, you know, flat out, which I think are showing the efforts that it took to get there. Which begs the question. Oh, I don't think about it at the moment. Let's talk about this in a few weeks time. But I do think. At the moment, they're using science
01:26:34
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And they haven't, they're not even investigating magic at the moment. Or are they? Until we get to Ahsoka. Yeah, but think about it. This is before, I mean, this is a few years after all of 66. This is before the OT, whereas Ahsoka is five, six years after the OT.
01:27:02
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does... Is this the empire's first attempts at trying to create the vessel, the perfect vessel for Palpatine and it goes... It doesn't go the right way and therefore they need the Sith magic of what's going on at the moment in Ahsoka to kind of really close the circle on that and for it to be the
01:27:27
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the final element to being able to do what needs to be done. I don't know. Anyway, I think what scares me though, what scares me though, sorry, I was just gonna say what scares me is if they have to then move on to Night Sister Magic, is it because their perfect vessel being
01:27:51
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her maker is no longer available. I hope she goes missing and it has a happy life, or is she off the table completely? Well, I think that assumes that there is continuity in terms of information collection and transference between these different attempts. I think what we're seeing is the various
01:28:21
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multiple attempts at achieving what Palpatine was hoping to achieve. But we're seeing them in real time, even though they were across different times of the timeline. Like, I think this is the point of the first real successful ones where they're trying with clones and really trying to figure it out. And I think there, we saw in this episode that, oh, Omega is going to be a good vessel.
01:28:42
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And I think, but I don't think it means that, like, I'm not worried about Omega dying. I think what, I have more faith in, like, that she's gonna get away, but then the information that was collected about her is going to get lost. And the people who knew about it are going to be gone. Like the bad guys, like the data, the data tapes, the Emery, whether she turns or not, Hemlock.
01:29:08
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rest in pieces, like all of those who knew about this.
Speculation on Omega and Star Wars Lore
01:29:12
Speaker
And so I think that thread will be cut. And then the next attempt, wherever that is, is like, okay, here's this cobbled together information that was shared. How do we stand this up? And then like with the Soka,
01:29:24
Speaker
Like I think it's just, I think there's all these different multi-prong attempts. Like if we go back and talk about the stuff that was in like aftermath, like I think that was kind of a, planning a seat a little bit of like, the emperor doesn't just have one group working on one of his goals at once. He's got multiple tendrils going on at once and like by any means necessary. I think this is kind of a similar thing. It's like, oh, I'm worried about Omega. It's like, I think people aren't gonna know who the hell Omega is when this show culminates.
01:29:53
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because her existence is going to be wiped from the memories of anybody who knew her or knew what she was to this and hopefully gets to live out life as a child and there's nobody looking for anymore because nobody knows. I do hope I do hope we see more of her though because you know this is the last season and I hope she does survive beyond it and I do hope that we see a lot more of her journey because
01:30:23
Speaker
I think she's fucking amazing. I genuinely, genuinely think that, you know, what could have been quite an annoying bratty type of, um, and continuously naive, um, um, character has tended something really quite special. Um, the relationships she's built with the boys is, you know, is one thing, but also,
01:30:52
Speaker
the unwavering compassion she's got for other people and sentient life around her, I think is phenomenal. And I really hope that... There's a lot of friends that we talk to, especially the likes of whores and stuff. I really hope we get that moment where Boba gets to meet his sister.
01:31:14
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because I think it will help his healing for a start as a person. I mean, good God. Imagine somebody like that that's pretty much been cynical for the first two thirds of his life. And in the last part, he's trying to make amends, albeit perhaps the wrong way by running a criminal syndicate. But the point being is, imagine someone like that dropping into your life
01:31:41
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Changing your perspective on on the way that you should be and the ways you conduct yourself It would be be bloody amazing and I think there'll be also be an awesome force to to be to be reckoned with Anyway, my my That's another justification for why she shouldn't be force-sensitive it's Because yeah, yeah, well you're sensitive. She needs to go become something She can't be in the shadows and take care of her clones and etc. Etc
01:32:09
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've said this to you either on this pod or, or, or where we've been offline. So these are the people as well. It's a very, very crowded galaxy before going into a new hope. If she's another force sensitive person that just so happened to be offline or out of the picture when poor old Luke had to deal with everything on his own. I already struggle with, with the, with the believability of
01:32:36
Speaker
all of these thought-sensitives being around and about there and just giving it to Luke to look after on his own, without any regret or any sense of responsibility from these people that perhaps know the force a little bit more than them. So I'm with you, mate. I'm sorry, more than him. So I'm with you. I really, really hope it's not yet another one of those because it becomes a
01:33:03
Speaker
It becomes a bit, if everyone's a force user, it kind of takes away the mysticism of the whole thing and the force being special. And I know that everyone's got the force. It's a living, breathing entity that lives and surrounds us and the rock.
01:33:24
Speaker
But ultimately only a certain few should be in my mind attuned enough to to be able to manipulate it. Anyway, my notes my notes from episode three. I think I got to.
01:33:37
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I got a bit emotional by this time because it wasn't particularly, they weren't particularly astute or detailed notes. Basically I've got Emperor holy shit was my first note. Very cool. Nala say can't destroy sample because she's been taken away.
01:33:59
Speaker
Holy shit, what does this mean for Omega? And of course, we saw that eventually the testing process identified her blood as being a suitable donor for the M count or the Midichlorians or the Jedi blood that was being put or the force user blood that was putting it put into... Oh, hold that point.
01:34:26
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And then lastly was Project Necromancer. And on that point, and going back to my last point, whose sample do you think that they're trying to find a match with? Because I kept thinking, is part of the purge, you know, all these Jedi and these Force users that the Emperor and his and Vader and Vader's sinister agents
01:34:49
Speaker
are scouring the length and breadth of the galaxy to try and find. Are they using force sensitive as the sample to find an appropriate donor that they can clone to be a receptacle for? Or is it Palpatine's own blood? Do you reckon they're actually using
01:35:16
Speaker
a sample of Palpatine at this moment in time? I think I think the easy answer is Palpatine, but I don't I think the better and more sinister answer is they're using force sensitive kids and stuff that they're collecting throughout the universe. Okay, like, which is horrifying.
01:35:36
Speaker
I'm just wondering why he's turning up. Why at that moment did Sheev turn up? And I'm wondering if it was a little bit like when you give blood to him, you go to your local, your monthly donor, your monthly blood donation. And he was just turning up, okay, I'm gonna question you on the project we are at the moment. In the meantime, here's a pint of blood. Get me a coffee and a biscuit.
01:36:05
Speaker
I have had this inkling in the back of my mind ever since the Bad Batch started. And we've kind of started seeing the path of where it goes. I could be completely wrong in this. I just think things and never look them up. But it's like, I can't help but feel like there's a connection to the death troopers in some way, shape, or form. I want to know what's in those vats or like that vault that
01:36:31
Speaker
Hemlock and the Emperor were looking at and it opened up and it was all glowing. It's like, oh, these are some specimens. Are those ones that have had semi-positive results and they're going to be future subjects that could be tested even further? Then maybe some of those don't go super great. I don't know why I have this feeling that there's a connection to death troopers because we know that they were manipulated and augmented.
01:36:59
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it all messed up underneath. But do you know what, I just feel like there's got to be an extra thing. I genuinely think you are absolutely 100% right. And the reason why is I was trying to work out what does project necromancer mean. And I miss this.
01:37:19
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Or if I didn't miss it, I'd forgotten it. Project Necromancer is not exclusive to the Bad Batch. It was actually mentioned in season three of The Mandalorian. And I quote Captain Pelion, who is the deputy to Admiral Thrawn. If you remember the meeting of the Dark Council.
01:37:49
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the dark council called dark council the shadow collective what's it called it's called the anyway when they all get together all and half of them are on hologram
01:38:03
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Captain Pooh says, yeah, he says, Grand Admiral Thrawn's return will herald in the re-emergence of our military and provide commandant Hux, obviously Hux's dad, enough time to deliver on Project Necromancer.
01:38:23
Speaker
So what begs the question, what does Grand Admiral Thrawn's return mean? What is he bringing with him? It's gotta be Dark Sister Magic. It's gotta be. Oh, sorry, Night Sister Magic. It's gotta be. So I think you're right. I think you're spot on.
01:38:50
Speaker
How messed up would it be if long way, way, way from now, like not close to this time period, but closer to the Ahsoka period. What if Asajj or another Night Sister is captured and these similar tests are done on her and they're like, oh, Night Sisters are good vessels. So send Thrawn out to go get them or not. I mean, don't send him to go get him because obviously he got taken there by whales. We talked about this a couple of weeks back.
01:39:19
Speaker
But we talked about how can, how can Asajj come back? Maybe the first experiment of necromancy, of bringing the body back, forget the force sensitivity at the moment, but bringing the body back was on a vessel like Asajj Ventress. It's a bit, I mean, we're off the rails at this point. We're, we're, we're rolling down our own path.
01:39:46
Speaker
But I mean, it's feasible, but it would be a little bit close to home. Oh, I just so happen to have a nicest here. But it could be, it could be. I mean, I know that, you know, maybe we don't like it sometimes, but they do like to connect the dots. Everyone's pretty much related.
01:40:06
Speaker
And I do think all of this is connected. I think they can't help themselves. I'm saying this positively. It's like, okay, let's not make everybody related, but everything is still gonna be connected somehow. And I think all of this is gonna start tying together. It's still too early to start seeing, especially how things like Skeleton Crew and some of these others really start piecing in. But I do think it's all kind of,
01:40:35
Speaker
there's an element where it's like, it's all gonna justify and make, it's all gonna sweeten the sequel trilogy, for sure. There's an underlying story goal there of like, hey, we gotta like,
01:40:48
Speaker
I don't know, I can't help but feel like it's a little bit like work at times where it's like, hey, we've got this like kind of sucky bad decisions on this software project. We can't undo them. You just have to like build up around it to like make it do what we want. And so it's like, maybe there were story decisions you can't undo. We can't just wipe it clean. So we got to like build up around it. I feel like there's a big initiative with all these shows to kind of support and build a foundation for that.
01:41:19
Speaker
It's exciting to see. I'm hoping where I hope it's all tied together. Cause if not, we're going to be like, I feel like I'm like that meme where it's always sunny. He's like drawing that cause he's got the lines drawn everywhere. It's like, look, it's all connected. But it's like, no, but it's all just nothing. Yeah. Well, we had that in season three of Mondo, right?
01:41:41
Speaker
But again, there might be some, how could I say, in the interest of being positive, there may actually be some explanation for Gideon's story. He may well have just stolen
01:41:56
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The plan that that was always the plow or the the the I'm trying to say the He might have stolen the way he might have just used the the process that had already been established for Palpatine But for but for more left, you know self-serving means and that may well be Yeah, it may well be as simple as that in which case fine no worries
01:42:24
Speaker
Yeah, he was trying to bypass his chain of command and make a jump to be higher than what he currently was and take control. And we only saw that narrow window because that's how Mando and Grogu get introduced. But it's part of a larger tree that is all intertwining and we're seeing all the other initiatives maybe more successful and some others aren't. But I think what's interesting about the Gideon one is we're seeing more of that like,
01:42:51
Speaker
It's like they're trying to like fast track it. And so you're seeing more of the kind of the, the flawed broken, and he's like, no, we're not, we're moving away from like cloning. We're going to force sensitive me and clone to me and robots and kind of self-serving and kind of twisting and manipulating that for, for self-serving purposes.
Star Wars Future Speculations and Wrap-Up
01:43:11
Speaker
How cool is it, though, that a three-episode animated series is getting us back to speculating again about what's happening and what's going on? I've missed this so much. I've missed it so much. This is so cool. I'm excited. I'm excited, except for if that figure is... I just hope that figure's not tech. Like, I don't know why. I just... I don't know.
01:43:37
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Don't know, man. Don't know. And it may well be a sarge. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's a smoke monster. Yeah. It might be. You never know. You never know. All right, brother. We're at an hour and 46. We've done it again. We've totally exceeded our time.
01:44:02
Speaker
Let's keep it to an hour every week. People are staying engaged. Yeah, let's do that. Um, this is, this is, this is what I encourage people to listen at one and a half speed. And there you go. It's an hour. It's my fault every time. Honestly, screening together a coherent centers these days is so hard, mate. Thank you so much for your time. I really, I love this every single week. I really, really appreciate you pulling all this together. Um, do you want to take us out?
01:44:32
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Well, to add to that, I appreciate you taking the time to do this as well. It's a lot of fun. I love having somebody to bounce the ideas off of. And with that...
01:44:42
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