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Episode 200 Special
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We have made it to 200 (actually it as a little while ago)! On this episode those American rugby knuckleheads are celebrating reaching number 200 with some special guests. We answer questions both from our followers and our guests of honors. Buckle in for a few laughs and of course we thank you all so very much for following us along whether you joined us for Episode 1 back in the dark days or Episode 199, we still appreciate you for hanging with us and letting us babble into your ear for a bit. Cheers everyone!
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Transcript
Introduction and Initial Grievances
00:00:02
Speaker
It is the Fantasy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke. I wanted to say it's stupid and let's move on, but then you kept going. I'm Ben Glauser. I don't like any way anybody handled that. Collusion. Collusion.
Special Guests Join the Episode
00:00:24
Speaker
Welcome back, everybody. It's the Fantasy Rugby Yanks. I'm Catherine Dyke. And I'm Jess Glauser.
00:00:33
Speaker
I said it wrong. No, you didn't. What kind of silliness is this? I don't know. What is silliness? I don't know. That's what kind of silliness it is. Yeah, I know. I'm in. I'm up high.
00:00:51
Speaker
Yeah, Ben and I are here too. The ladies with us.
Anniversary Reflections and Spousal Support
00:00:54
Speaker
Yeah, we get to sing every other song. The ladies. Honest to God, ladies, that yes, that we have actually married. People that want to spend time with us. Yes, at least the... These are the women that chose us as spouses. Yeah. If you'd always wanted to know
00:01:18
Speaker
what now you'll find maybe you'll find out yeah you'll find out now hopefully it'll make sense by the end yeah probably so this is this is a little different than episode 100 but i forget 200 would be something different i'm not gonna do the same thing every time you know
00:01:36
Speaker
No, of course not. And and shit. I didn't think we would. I mean, I never really I don't think about a number. I'm not like, oh, I hope we get to 500 and whatever. It's it's just cool to mark. And yes, let's do silly things when we when we.
00:01:51
Speaker
hit those big digits. I did not, as I said, I was talking about embroidering the 200th episode date and location in my shirt for the evening. But I was excited to get that done. I'd love to see you embroider. You mean attempt to embroider? Yeah. With a needle in general, quite frankly. He's all thumbs. No way. Never happening.
00:02:34
Speaker
That's my guess. So yeah last time we had George help us out this time we decided let's have the ladies help us out because they've been they've always let us do this and really don't bat too many eyes about it unless there's like something seriously going on with us like or we're like on vacation which also happens.
00:02:45
Speaker
I imagine a lot of blood.
00:02:55
Speaker
You know, but they're usually like, Oh yeah, it's pod night. That's right. So we're doing X, Y, Z. Right. That's usually try to try to pick nights when there's some trashy TV on or something that, that I don't, you know, it's one of those, we can go. So we'll go our separate ways. Nights is always nice. They used to be there. It's good to hear both sides of the podcast this time. Cause I can usually just hear Jared's half, which is usually not that good. Let's be honest about it.
00:03:25
Speaker
for the days I'm going to yell, which is awesome. Let's put it this way, though. If she can hear Ben, there's definitely a problem. Likely. Likely. He's pretty loud, though. He's pretty loud. Yeah, Jess, do you hear me when I'm when I'm here? Can you can you hear me rant and rave? It depends on if the doors open or close, like if you have the gate, but I can usually hear you. Yeah. Yeah.
00:03:54
Speaker
Is it usually as bad as you think? I can't hear all the details, but I can definitely tell when it gets loud.
00:04:02
Speaker
I think it's probably the beer. Oh yeah. The later it goes, the louder it gets. Especially if I've had to it, like if I, if I crack a second one, forget it, we're off, we're off the list. This is going to be ridiculous. Well, wait, I want to crack mine because you always start with this. So go ahead. Take me a minute. I can get it. You can do it. I believe you see. There we go. All right. Oh, here we go. Cool. All right.
00:04:33
Speaker
Do we want to start with a question, Ben? Sure. So we're going to go dip in from the Twitter questions.
Fantasy Rugby Memories and Challenges
00:04:42
Speaker
From the Twitter questions. Cool.
00:04:44
Speaker
What is the week that will stick in your mind as your greatest comeback win, or just win in general, or the one that annoyed you way more than fantasy rugby ever should? That's from Stu. Our good buddy Stu, the man knows Yippee Tri-Yay, I believe, in our leagues. So, do you remember the weekend before you and I went on the pod with Sam?
00:05:12
Speaker
Um, for the FRD pod. And I got bit by Tom Collins getting a red card. And then Sean, Sean Maitland got dropped from the Saracens team and shaking got thrown in. I had Maitland in my lineup. If, if Maitland had even done a fraction of what Shagan did, the red car would have been totally irrelevant. And I would have won.
00:05:38
Speaker
but that fucking shit happened. So that one annoys the hell out of me. And I won't forget it mostly because we went on the pod with Sam as well, which of course I had to tell the story there too. So for me, that's probably the most annoying one.
00:05:52
Speaker
And then there was the one, I think the first time I won, I think it was the first time either I won a league in FRD or the first time I won champion league in prem. I was behind at halftime and I was behind big and somehow I won. And I don't remember who the hell I was against. I think it was against Mark who, which would sound right. Cause apparently I'm his bogey. But yeah, I remember that. I remember that's the only ones that come to me.
00:06:19
Speaker
You're probably, you're better weekends have come in the rugby mag though, Ben. Exactly. Like the times when I finished top of the, yeah. Cause I was, that's always been my more favorite competition. Right. So yeah, some of those were top five or something like that. I did last year. Yeah. Yeah. So I missed right. I miss it a lot. I can't believe you got that high.
00:06:45
Speaker
I can. I was like, I, I mean, it's no, I can't either. Actually it's, it's tough up there. Like there's some, especially once you get to the later rounds, it's like you make one mistake and you know, because everyone's team is very similar and everyone knows the, everyone knows the secret guys to get into their team now and nobody knows, you know, and you have to, we all know the guys to avoid and
00:07:12
Speaker
Nobody counts on the guys that have been going week in and week out for you to just bomb out. Right. And ultimately, like I don't have any I can't say that there's memorable ones because just like when I'm playing like the ones that hurt the most of the one. Yeah, you remember them, but like.
00:07:32
Speaker
The ones that, you know, you're late, like it's a last second win or less second, like, you know, especially in like FRD, when then the scores change drastically. And you can think like all the way through Monday that, hey, I won, I won. And then you find out Tuesday you lost. And that's like, yeah, I had too many of those. I had too many of those where it's like, I get both ways where it's just like, it's just, it's kind of just another game at that point. It's a winner or loss.
00:07:56
Speaker
Um, well, yeah. And I mean, it didn't help that the final, it is more, but, but to your point though, it is, it was, it's more instances where it's like, it was my own goddamn fault. Yep. Like I didn't, I started the wrong, like, especially in a, in a, in a TRM thing where I started the wrong player. Um.
00:08:15
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who got dropped or something like that, or I made all my transfers and someone dropped and I just had to fucking stare at a zero. Those stick out. Taking the nuts. Any questions from you two? I would actually, I bet you someone would want to know what you guys want to know.
00:08:38
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I don't know, I didn't prepare anything ahead of time. That's fine. That's what we asked you to do. Jess, do you have one for him? I am thinking. Okay, so between the two of you, who do you think is the better, like fantasy, rugby, like, whatever it is, a player, a, you know, organizer, who does it better? Me, because I do better both, and Ben's all good at wine.
00:09:07
Speaker
Yeah, but we both won the champion. That's actually true. I didn't think of the love that the champion actually we both have one of each one's each now. So, but yeah, no, we definitely have our strong students. I'm better at the salary cap ones. Jared's better at the drafting ones.
00:09:27
Speaker
Because I know, Ben, you play a lot of fantasy football and you don't often win those either. So I was wondering if you're any better at the rugby
Drafting and Player Unpredictability
00:09:38
Speaker
than you are at the football. Yeah, I'm actually I am better at fantasy. Fantasy rugby is I'm better at than fantasy football to be honest. Oh, OK. OK. Yeah. Yeah. There are a lot of football leagues you play.
00:09:50
Speaker
Right. That's true. Yeah. There's, I mean, there's a lot, it's a heavier contingent in number of people that play NFL fantasy as opposed to like, you know, for obvious reasons, like it's just more popular in this.
00:10:06
Speaker
so you end up with a lot of the same guys you play against so you know the ones that you're going to shit talk and you know the ones are going to be a challenge so you just kind of put it back put it on the back burner every once in a while um but yeah it's not as
00:10:21
Speaker
It, I guess the challenge comes with the draft ones when you know the opponent so well and you know what they're thinking is and you know, they're going to be tough. So that's, that is a challenge itself, but yeah, with a wider array of people playing NFL, it's easier to like, maybe just pick up a win against someone that's only playing casually. People that are playing FRD are not really playing casually there. They're kind of the metal full go. Yeah. Right.
00:10:51
Speaker
Yeah, that is the thing. There's not as much of the, like you can join a rando league in fantasy football and just wreck shop because you might pay attention a little bit more than someone else or whatever. But like, no, in rugby, like the people who are on the FRD are the ones who are doing it day in, day out. So it's like a, it's much more of a competition. When it comes to drafting, do you think it's easier or harder to draft the rugby than it is football?
00:11:22
Speaker
Like to get a good team. It's a lot harder. Why? Because you, you, like number one, then, cause we, we've had this conversation a couple of times with other people. Um, um, it's the news on players is so scarce and really me as opposed to football, like, you know, if some Joe Schmo from Kansas city has a bad pinky toe and is nursing it for, for three weeks and how it's going to affect him.
00:11:50
Speaker
We there are many times we haven't got a clue. Someone's got an injury long term at that. And all of a sudden we find it out like two weeks after we've picked them up, like, oh, shit, they're open the season, you know, right. And then there's there's certain things where. Like, you just can't know. And it's it's you don't know, going into a season who like when I. In the NFL, they publish depth charts.
00:12:18
Speaker
And you know exactly who's playing each match, each game. Because it's like, I know Patrick Moems is going to be the quarterback. Week one, week 10, week 60, it doesn't matter. Right. But like in fantasy, in rugby, if I draft like an Owen Farrell, well, I know he's going to be gone for a certain amount of time. But I also know he's going to need rest. And then I also know he's going to get other rest anyway.
00:12:47
Speaker
You don't know, there's always a question of how much is so and so actually going to play. And then there's like the, the, the sleepers and football where it's like, yeah, I'm going to get this guy and maybe he'll, he'll start a couple of games and he'll, he'll have a couple of breakouts when I need him rugby. You just never know what, with what.
00:13:06
Speaker
you know, former sub has broken through and is now going to be a starter and not only that, but a star. And then if a team changes a fly half, okay, well, that's not going to make them better or worse. Well, suddenly we've seen, you know, 12s and 13s that have been dynamite and suddenly they're fucking useless. So it's a lot harder to know and football, you get a good wide receiver. It doesn't matter what team you put them on. He's going to put up numbers, but in rugby, it's, it's that much more. Yeah.
00:13:43
Speaker
Right. Like, but if you take a guy a first round, cause he played well last year, it doesn't mean he's going to play at all, at all this year. Like sometimes they just don't play anymore. What was his butt? Two of us a check from the blues. Yeah. This year didn't play much when he played. Yeah. Who, you know, and he would have been a first round pick last year. And he was this year. Caleb, Caleb Clark, same thing. He'd be like a first or second round pick. Talia would be, he was a first rounder, but it was kind of one of those later ones. But if you knew he'd have been like number one, maybe, you know, after Moonga, but
00:13:59
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. We'll do it across the board no matter where they go, but. Yeah. But like you can take the first time.
00:14:14
Speaker
match the Blues scoring. I think he did. Is that the Blues? Yeah, he was. He was. He was their scoring. Try scoring. No, but like I'm practically sorry. I think he was the. He may have been. Either equal or top top most tries in the season for the Blues. So pretty good. Yeah, but it's hard. It is. And it makes it harder from here because we don't we don't see much in that.
00:14:37
Speaker
We see even less news over here. Yeah. Right. That's true. It's supposed to, you know, somebody knows that somebody knows who to follow for certain news down. Yeah. Christchurch, New Zealand to follow. Right. We don't. We're happy if we pick it up on rugby stuff, which is a New Zealand thing. Yeah, that's about it.
00:15:00
Speaker
or just those little notes on the ESPN app of NFL fantasy. I'm sorry, you might want to drop them. Yes, that's helpful, too. Yeah. That does not exist on any of these platforms right now. No, and they don't have that kind of upfront honesty about it because it's different. They don't have that collective bargaining. So it's like injury news is very scarce. And so a guy would be like, oh, he's out for the year, we think.
00:15:29
Speaker
And then like five weeks later, all of a sudden he's starting again. You didn't hear a whiff of, yeah, it's like, what the fuck? Yeah. So, um, yeah. Or, you know, you think a guy like, yeah, we think he's good. He's thinking he's good. Then the job before a match and he's gone for four weeks too. It's like the same, it's the same kind of like uncertainty. You don't know. Um, like when we talk about, they drop players right up to match time. That that's a big impact. How many, like, how many matches again, it's one of those, it goes, it goes both ways, but.
00:15:59
Speaker
You know, you always remember the ones you lost cause somebody that wasn't playing. Yep. Very easy to remember those ones. Usually when you win them, you're like, good, that, that asshole deserve to lose. Cause Exactly. Difficult in many ways. News is hard. All those things. All right. You have another Twitter question. Yeah. Yeah. Other Twitter questions for sure.
Future of Fantasy Rugby and Youth Engagement
00:16:29
Speaker
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the future of Prem and URC fantasy. With the seeming demise of FRD and TRM, what would make the ultimate fantasy competition? If Superbrew were putting something together, and then there's a long list, we won't go into it. Right. But it's very long in detail, which I kind of don't disagree with. So we'll go through what we have to say. Right. Yeah, that's from Alex. Thanks, Alex. Right. He's our dude.
00:16:58
Speaker
So you and I talked about this on one of the last fantasy pods. Like, Superbrew has a nice backing to it because it does so many other fancy things. So I think if they're going to be the show, that's great because number one, we're probably not going to pay for anything to use it, which was the unfortunate demise of FRD. It started out to be charged for it, which sucked. I think if it's only the current format that they have, that's going to be tough.
00:17:26
Speaker
But if they're willing to expand into other things like salary cap, like draft things, they have the backing for it, so they could do it. And I hope they do. And I gave them my hopeful two cents on a survey that they asked about before at the end of, I think it was the end of Six Nations. I hope it did not fall on deaf ears because
00:17:50
Speaker
They could be the thing that keeps us going for a little while until this becomes a bigger thing. Because right now, we're grabbing its straws at the moment, and that's us. Right. And to me, first of all, there has to be one. The prem has to have something. And you can't not have a fantasy game and be
00:18:15
Speaker
like a real big boy sport, let's put it that way. Even though like the fucking, I mean, I know it's, you know, it's some popular like elsewhere, but like, you know, there's, um, what was it? There's family, there's fantasy NASCAR. There's like fantasy, um, formula one, formula one. Yeah. Racing. Like, you gotta be like, come on, man. Like,
00:18:37
Speaker
And they have compelling... Let's just pick a driver off you go. That's all that is. And that's why like, yeah, that's why there has to be, to me, like, at the very least, something like a TRM, something like where it's communal, where you can just have your team. And you can want like, you can also look at other players and be like, okay, what are they doing?
00:18:58
Speaker
that, you know, the top players, what are they doing? You can't learn from that. And shit, that's such a great way to learn about the league too, for like kids bringing them in like, oh, I thought, you know, I picked some of all my favorite team, but okay, your team sucks. So you have to change it up.
00:19:15
Speaker
That's Jared's number one point about how to get youth involved. He said there has to be a fantasy league so then people can get into it, get excited. You get them in young. They can watch their favorite players. It's one of his like five point plans of how to grow the sport. Yeah, it's it's a big one in this day and age. It's such a it's it makes so much money for a reason. So, you know, you can do the draft leagues, which I think are great, too. It's that's much more of, you know, I was saying that a real life, real competition.
00:19:46
Speaker
But to me, the community aspect, because you like, you remember how poker was big for like a little with the rounders came out and like the World Series of poker is on like they had a lot, you know, you turn on ESPN and it was like, yeah, you could go through it any hour of the day. Some ESPN channel was playing poker. But it's like it's fucking boring when it's not you playing.
00:20:07
Speaker
Like, draft fantasy is kind of the same. You can be like, oh, I had, you know, so-and-so, and it's like, yeah, it's a cool story, but ultimately, like, I have these guys who are doing pretty awesome myself, and that's what I really care about. And like, when it's all a team, you know, when it's, oh, I'm in this competition, and fucking Squidge is in it, and other prem players are in it for a goof, like... Remember that happening in Australia?
00:20:30
Speaker
That's cool. Do that. Do that. And then you shut it down. And so they need something like that because that really wouldn't. Yeah. Well, I love to teach them all for the Robinson's team. I want to like have, you know, yeah, that'd be fun. I think to your point, it's it's good to have both because you have the salary cap because like, for example, fancy Premier League soccer like
00:20:58
Speaker
So many people just casually play that league. And sometimes it's a set and forget it and you never change your team the rest of the year. And that's fine. But they remember those players for a reason.
00:21:12
Speaker
And so to have the casual fan use something like that would be great. And then you have the nuts like you, me, Mark, Carrick, George, that want something draft wise that you can just really dig into and dive into and compete with each other for because it's head on head, it's one on one, you can talk to each other, you can
00:21:34
Speaker
bargain trades and all that shit. And that's fun for people like you and me. So I think having both has huge advantages. And again, that's why I hope Superbrew did listen a little bit and hopefully they're cooking up something. I know they're working on World Cup. After that, I have no idea. Yeah, but it's got to be something to bring them in because the prem needs it too. They need more butts in the seats and more attention, eyes on it. That's true.
00:22:04
Speaker
Got to do something to reach out to get it. Right? Kind of connected, not really. But what about the women's game? I know that sometimes they do fantasy for like the Women's World Cup, but I don't think it's regular for like regular seasons. Six Nations.
00:22:21
Speaker
Yeah, they do Six Nations too. So like special events, but it's not it's not regularly done for just like the season,
Women's Rugby and Image Rights
00:22:29
Speaker
right? No, and I think that that's also a little bit more difficult. And it will be, but I think it'll be good as the game because more professional as the the prem. Now it's back to the prem 15, I guess. I can't. No, it's the remarish it now, I think.
00:22:47
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. It's going to be great. Looking forward to the new variation on it. I'm wondering how much like, you know, the image and likenesses stuff comes into play there. That's all. That's my question. Like how that, that might be less developed and that might be a problem. Maybe not so much at the international level, but I'm not sure at that level how they, if they've done player licensing and whatnot. And I don't know if that matters.
00:23:14
Speaker
I don't know if it matters because because you have players who don't have a professional contract and I yeah, I just I don't know what. Well, even for situations like most of those players aren't professionally contracted, but at least for a while now or certainly now they have many Irish women or organizations like the NCAA. They have policy about that kind of stuff, so I'm sure you yeah exactly so I mean and I'm not saying I'm not saying it's an excuse. I'm not saying that that's why, but.
00:23:39
Speaker
You know, that's something they need to sort out because yeah, they need to start doing that too, because the yeah the women's premiership would be excellent to have that if they have it before the premise does. They'll pants on. Yeah, they'll blow right by. That's true. I'll blow right by. Nobody'll be happier about that than me. Right.
00:24:01
Speaker
No, that's that's true. Yeah, I think it's going to be great. I want it to happen. Like they did. Well, let me try to do some rudimentary world Cup League last year, but it was like I say we need something rudimentary and it's OK. That might have been maybe rethink that thought because it was pretty bad. Maybe it's slightly more advanced than that. But other than that,
00:24:26
Speaker
Yeah. Like really it didn't need to be, they only counted tries and try assistant went to think that was really the only thing they were worried about, which isn't much. Right. So maybe a little bit more advanced than that, but really like anything beyond that is.
00:24:41
Speaker
It's probably too, just too much to get to the casual fan involved right now. I think something more advanced down the line and again, for geeks like myself and George and so on different, but, um, something like that for just a casual fan to check in there and be like, yeah, I can do this, you know, and make an app, make an app. That's the other thing about, great about super root. There's an app. I can do it on my iPad when I'm laying in bed and like, oh shit, I forgot to check.
00:25:26
Speaker
Mm hmm. Yeah, I guess. And that's the app as a part of that, like they don't want to go on the laptop. They want to go on an app on their phone. They want to do. Right. And if you want to. Hey, if I want to do my fantasy football, guess where I just do it on my fucking phone. Yeah. Right. You know, I just do it on my iPad. It's right there. Yeah. Very easy one. I'm going to.
00:25:34
Speaker
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00:25:49
Speaker
There's another question that I want to ask from the from the Twitters, and I'm going to put an extra spin on it, too. The first one will be pretty quick. And actually, I'm going to I'm going to Jared, I don't think you and I should answer it. I'm going to I think we should let. Jess and Catherine answer this one. And the question is, when are you going to bite the bullet and launch your own fantasy rugby platform?
Building a Fantasy Platform: Challenges
00:26:16
Speaker
Okay, so my question that I was that I've been thinking about to ask you guys is, if you were like king or queen for a day, what would be your perfect like fantasy rugby platform so that's that that kind of goes to mine. Yeah, I follow up to.
00:26:33
Speaker
Just just what when are we going to build a server in the basement? I would say when there's more time taken from other rugby.
00:26:49
Speaker
it gets a little rough when you know fall and spring roll around and there's also coaching involved so it's a lot of rugby all the time and if you're not doing something rugby you're watching something rugby so I think that would be a huge it sounds to me like it would be a huge undertaking neither neither of you I think know how to develop an app
00:27:14
Speaker
So you would probably have to take I guess in some sort of class or something about that first. I need to probably go take a few courses. Just hire a Zoomer for a day or so. Something like that. My requirement for it would be that we win the lottery or something. So we have a steady income while you take all the time to set it up and create it and get the data and tweak it. To me, I'm buying TRM.
00:27:44
Speaker
and picking that back up and adding features to it. Like, as you said, like definitely adding features to it, calling it somebody who knows programming and code and working with them. Yeah, we're doing this. So my thought is, so we've had, there's the two major platforms that we have had between TRM and FRD.
00:28:13
Speaker
in my opinion, that the TRM is heavily weighted towards forwards. And FRD is heavily weighted towards backs. The scoring system is yeah, the scoring. Yes. I want to propose ways to make a balance. And figure out a way to because, like,
00:28:37
Speaker
The backs don't get enough love for the passes or for, you know, kicks, kick meter, you know, for they're just general, I guess they do get kick meters. I think it was only in tiara if you had a kicker, if you made them your kicker, that was it. And you only got 100 meters. Yeah. Yeah. It was a lot. I'd kind of changed that. I was thinking about like a
00:29:01
Speaker
you get your yards or your meters per carry. So like if you have a big lumbering, you have a Johnny Hill type who gets like 15 carries, but two meters, he gets a very low, but he'll still get enough tackles that'll bounce it out. But then you get, you know, a Harry Arendelle who
00:29:22
Speaker
Run gets a nice 70 meter run. Okay. Well, he gets a couple other carry, blah, blah, blah, all the evens out, but he still gets like 20. That's 20 points right there. Like that, because the forwards were getting like 40 point games and like barely running or so. It depends on the position too. Like I think they're, yeah, I think the, we, there's got to be a way to balance it, to make it so that each position is more because like, what the fuck do flankers matter in, in, in like FRD? Very.
00:29:51
Speaker
Unless, I mean, unless they're Tom Pearson, not much. Right. Yeah. There's like a couple that are worth it, but. Explain it to me, like which, so how would they, one gave you points for carries and one gave you points for meters? No points for carries, but meters. But like TRM had a thing where it was if you made, if you made more than five tackles and you had a hundred percent tackle rate, it was like a five or like 10 point bonus, something like that. Five point bonus. Yeah. So like.
00:30:20
Speaker
And every tackle and like forwards, like, you know, heavy forward play, especially the guys in tight, you're looking at, you know, 20 tackles or whatever. And I think for like, especially for, for like props or the front row and for locks, it was like something like a point every meter or two meters or something like a point every meter. And I think locks were a point every two or two. Yeah. Sounds right. So you'd see like a lock go for a fucking 20 meter run and that's your day made.
00:30:49
Speaker
Yep. For him. So like, especially when like John Luke was, John Luke Capria was. Oh yeah. Lock eligible. And then you could put him at plank here. It's like, Ooh, this, this is a cheat code now. I favor those. My platform would absolutely have cheat codes like that. Well, yeah, you gotta always have some sort of loop. I mean, he was always a lock, but yeah. Like Rory Jennings at halfback kind of thing. Like it doesn't make any sense, but okay. Yeah. Well, I think.
00:31:16
Speaker
TRM had the right idea with trying to designate certain scores for certain positions. That does help, but you're right. It was very defensive forward heavy in a lot of ways with them, especially with the five point bonus, which I get what they were after, but I don't think they considered how many in tight
00:31:36
Speaker
type five forwards we're gonna hit that more often than not. And then you have a back in space who like Chris Harris for example would have been would have been the worst one for this unfortunately because what he did as a defender always
00:31:52
Speaker
helped lost her but too often it went down as a missed tackle for him because the back cut back inside on him which is what he wanted them to do but he also maybe got a paw on him but missed so went down as a missed tackle and that hurts.
00:32:11
Speaker
Yeah, so there's a little right. It hurt the tacklers in space, and they didn't really get much of a bonus because that there was no. Yeah, the meters were kind of a little unbalanced and because like backs don't generally get like the other some that get like a huge amount, but there's someone we get like five to 10 sometimes, you know, especially midfielders. Right. But then so they just don't get anything. Yeah, no. And so it's kind of like, yeah, it looks good. It doesn't go that far that often.
00:32:39
Speaker
Right. And then in fantasy rugby draft, you get, it's mostly meters and points like when you score tries, when you try assists, forwards don't, I mean, I mean, again, TRM has that too. But again, the tackling is devalued in FRD and there's no bonuses.
00:33:02
Speaker
Um, Nope. You miss attack. And if you miss attack that you're in trouble, that's like minus three to the player scored and you know, player score. And you're hoping for 10 some weeks, 10 to 12 some weeks. And when you get a minus two, that's already put you in a rough spot. Yeah.
00:33:19
Speaker
So it's like, yeah, right. Yeah, there's about, there's about somewhere in the middle. I agree. And, you know, you can, but I, and I liked the option that both formats offered, which was changed the scoring to this. Right. Which box going, which there were something like that should always be. And, you know, cause we were talking about NFL before, like.
00:33:40
Speaker
you can change the scoring to whatever the fuck you want in NFL fantasy. Like I could go in there and make everything a hundred points no matter what you do. And it's just gonna light up the scoreboard. It's gonna probably break it. And I think some element like that needs to be brought in where, all right, we're gonna, obviously it needs to be agreed upon by your league. Like, yes, we're gonna value whatever it is for certain points. And we're gonna value turnovers.
00:34:09
Speaker
Right. Which is stupid, but you get my point. Right. So yeah, I came for a day. Yeah, we did. We get it done on that never happened. Right.
00:34:25
Speaker
So last last Twitter question. I have an idea. The World Cup of Fantasy, one and one NFL league, one IPL league, one FPL league, one U.S.
World Cup of Fantasy: Cross-Sport Concepts
00:34:37
Speaker
Masters League, one F1 league, plus Six Nations Superbrew and a super rugby draft league. Details sorted out, blah, blah, blah. What do you think of the concept? I mean, it sounds like a champion league, and I would absolutely support it, except the one thing, because if you're going to do this,
00:34:55
Speaker
You're going to do it right. And you're going to include the original fantasy sport because you cannot. And you deserve this, by the way, you absolutely deserve this. If you do this, I will step away from it. I think it's a fantastic idea that I would like to see someone else do. You have to have fantasy Major League Baseball in there, because that's what started it all. And you deserve to have to look at your team.
00:35:21
Speaker
every fucking day yeah none of this oh i'll look at uh you know i'll um i'll check my team Thursday night come waiver wire because i got to get that under this under there and as teams come out and all that no no no this is every day you're looking at it no it's it's a grind i remember that
00:35:46
Speaker
I brought this up with Jared at the beginning of the season. Like, hey, maybe it would be fun to be at his baseball. And he's like, I cannot do this every day. And it's like, no, no, no, we can't. OK. No, it's hard. Yeah, it is hard. I'd be down for it, but I have to be in the right mindset. Right. You can't do a World Cup. And if you're doing a World Cup, you deserve it. You need to do it. You have to.
00:36:05
Speaker
Yeah, you want to find the person that's going to be most committed. That is going to be the game that shows it right there. Yeah, you can switch their team in and out. Make sure that all their players are starting that day. Yeah, at least most of the line up is starting that day.
00:36:19
Speaker
Good luck. It's hard. It is definitely painfully hard. But if you can do that, you win. You win at life. Well, you live it. You win it fast. You win it that way. But not so much life. You might have a little bit. That's OK. We love you anyway. Why were you better than the real world? The real world, you might kind of suck. But that's OK. Oh, yeah. I don't know. That was so. And then one more from me. Again, for the ladies, as I do.
Spouses' Perspectives on Podcast Commitment
00:36:50
Speaker
How do you feel about your husbands doing this? I am pretty impressed that Jared started it, roped you in and has kept it going for 200 episodes.
00:37:05
Speaker
I mean, I think you guys have talked about it, but when it first started, it was I want to go back and listen to the original just Jared there. No, no, no, we don't want that. Let's go back to the deep cut. And then before COVID, when you both used to do it in our dining room and I would be
00:37:22
Speaker
locked in the bedroom. And I can't believe there's people that we don't know that listen to this. So I'm pretty impressed with you both for keeping it going and growing the online community for it too. I appreciate the positivity. Thank you.
00:37:45
Speaker
Yeah, I don't I mean the commitment is definitely impressive. I don't really mind like, you know, you have your thing. It's good to have hobbies connected to your other hobbies. I think it does sometimes send you into like too much rugby, like I said, it's just like because there's all the watching that goes into beforehand. So it's like,
00:38:11
Speaker
you're up on weekends and stuff like that doing the research for it. So it's a lot. And I don't know anything about the different seasons and when things end and stuff like that. So I'm always just like, how much longer is it going to go?
00:38:27
Speaker
And I think it's a little hard to do this, like I said before, like, like during say coaching season, it's just it's like rugby, literally, you could it's it's, you know, like you were saying with fantasy baseball, it's like literally every day. Yeah, yep. Can't confirm having just got off the high school season where I went to practice every day sans the one week where we were off.
00:38:53
Speaker
And not Sundays, but that's about it. I mean, I feel like there's some days when you get tired of it. Maybe there's the days when you have to watch eight or however many games before you and Ben split them. It was it was a job. Well, before well, before we.
00:39:11
Speaker
split the the fancy stuff like yeah it was a hassle like and then I was like all right there has to be a way that I can rope dumb dumb here in to help me with this because this is becoming a gigantic burden that I cannot carry on my own and you know I dropped a couple other commitments that I had I left the exec board and whatever and I would rather do this I had more fun doing this than I did the exec board so of course I'm not gonna you know I'm not gonna drop this but
00:39:37
Speaker
Yeah, at the same time, it's like this boulders, no, we've been having, okay, here, thanks. And that's when you're not starting your own platform. Yeah, that would be, um, yeah, no, you wouldn't see me for, for, for months. I'd be hidden somewhere in a deep hole and it would not be fun. No, no, no. I also think that like building platforms is not Ben's strength. He's better at just talking.
00:40:05
Speaker
He's a good, he's a good talker. So, um, you know, stick with your strength. All right. I, I, yeah, I will, I will talk. I don't know. I guess I'm good at talking. Talk, talk, talk. You, you, it's a strike. Yes, definitely. Yeah. You got, you got that down.
00:40:34
Speaker
Well, yeah, I said this last time, like I was encouraged by the response that we get in the first season, even though it was complete like dumpster fire that we were running through. But it's gotten better. It's got actually and that's that's actually kind of interesting. It's gotten we've gotten a lot better since since that first, certainly the first one we better because that was pretty bad number one. But number two, like
00:41:04
Speaker
if we're not at least trying then what the fuck are we doing like right we're spinning we're spinning at reels for an hour and a half at a whack and then plus plus plus all the other other shit we do like ain't worth it might as well try you know you know we don't try that hard unless we try right but i would like to formally and in front of the entire world
00:41:28
Speaker
I would like to thank you two for letting us do this without too much grief. It's enjoyable. I love the opportunity just to sit and talk rugby with Jared. It's kind of cool that we've turned it into a little podcast thing that's going for 200 episodes, but this wouldn't have happened without you guys.
00:41:53
Speaker
Yes, certainly. Allowing it. And more than that, being supportive. I feel that you have both been very supportive of this, not just allowing us. I think allowing is just too unkind. It's not kind enough. You guys have been great. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, no, it's been... There are days when she's like, you really doing this today? I'm like, yes, I got it. Don't worry.
00:42:20
Speaker
And there are so like, there are simply like stupid days where I'm jammed up and she's like, I got dinner, don't worry. And that is like, it's for a podcast for fuck's sake. Like who the fuck would do that? Like there are 10, there are 10,000 other people that would be like, fuck you cook dinner and then you can do that. But that's how it is. And that's why we appreciate you guys for being the way you are because
00:42:47
Speaker
Yeah. There are a lot of people that would be like, you're out of your mind. No way. I'm not letting you do that. You know, it's going to take up way too much of your time. See above, um, and you know, no way it's not happening. So we are less than lucky that you both understand and let us do this for many reasons. Now I feel bad. I make Ben buy me Chipotle.
00:43:15
Speaker
What are you ordering? Let's go. It's the worst thing ever. I hate ordering Chipotle.
00:43:30
Speaker
So yeah, that's one of those, wait a minute, I get to order- It's a trade-off. Exactly. And I get to do this? Okay, cool. Yeah, like you said before, Ben, it's like, oh, you're going to go in there for an hour? I guess I'll have to watch TV.
00:43:46
Speaker
it's not terrible to have a night apart yeah it's like when yeah jess is like it has to do some schoolwork or something like that it's like oh well i guess i'm just gonna have to play zelda out here i don't know exactly oh no xbox is calling my head oh absolutely absolutely yeah that's right all right do you think you should end with some predictions like where what do you think
00:44:11
Speaker
episode 300 will be like, or where will fantasy rugby be by episode 300? Which will be on like two to three years. I mean, a very dark place or a very good place. One of those. Yeah, really, there's probably not a lot of between. Unfortunately, it's either going to be basically dead and we won't get the 300 or. How many teams will be in the premier? Eight. This rate.
00:44:38
Speaker
Yeah. It'll either be like, some, somebody's got to figure their shit out to begin with, but it'll either be soaring or it'll be fricking blocked and me and Ben and I will have stopped this probably. Yeah. Honestly, that's the sad, but harsh truth. Like that is, that's probably, there's probably no between really. All he knows we're getting to episode two.
00:44:58
Speaker
Which will be next, which will be next. One week at a time. Right. That's all we can do, really. Like, well, especially back when, like, in that COVID long length season, it was like freaking I think there was 60 episodes that season because everything was just so strung out because we started back up talking about it just because you and I needed something to do because COVID locked down, see you above. Right.
00:45:24
Speaker
And then super rugby came back. Then super rugby Australia came back. And then we started talking about prem and then champions cup started coming back. And we were like. Cause they did like the end of the prem season and then like a quick, like ridiculous short turnaround to the next season.
00:45:42
Speaker
Yeah, it was just never ended. It was like a season in a season and a half all at once. Yeah, we did the previous season and ended that season. And then, yeah, we had like three weeks where we didn't do anything. We didn't talk shit. And I watched a little bit of rugby. I actually passed on some of it, honestly. And then we had another season to freaking rebound to and stretch out again. It's like, holy shit. Stop me here. Yeah, that was was at the end of that. I think was when Quinn's be chiefs in the final.
00:46:10
Speaker
And I was like, we're done for a little while. Yeah. We're good. Yeah. Yeah. And I kind of feel like even this season, I'm like, yeah, I'm good. I could use a little bit of a break. Absolutely. But it still doesn't feel like a chore. No. So that's nice. Yeah. It's again, I like it's a conversation that I get to have with, you know, my best friend and we goes out to the world.
00:46:35
Speaker
Yep. Enjoy it. Whether you like it or not. Here it is. Whether you're really ready for it or not. Here we go.
00:46:43
Speaker
Yeah, we'll get into like, we'll probably dive into it like first week of September this year because of ugly World Cup. And we'll preview that. And then we'll dig into premise as the year goes. Cause I'm like prems starting until October. Right. It's starting late. Yeah, which is part of mine.
Speculation on Podcast and Fantasy Rugby's Future
00:47:03
Speaker
Hopefully this time we don't have a fucking pandemic that just makes it feel like the World Cup didn't happen.
00:47:10
Speaker
Yeah, 2019 woke up that winter. We had the pandemic. Right. Like that took me a little bit because I was like, holy shit. I remember like a very specific time on that. Yeah. Like the world, it was the World Cup time when I was down in New York for a wedding and what Ben Garner got red carded a minute into the game. And I was like, holy shit, that was 2019. Like that was that long ago. Yeah. Let's let's try and avoid that whole thing happening again, please.
00:47:38
Speaker
Yeah. I didn't, I did not like that. All right. Cool. We've been babbling for about 50 minutes. Look at that. How about that? Um, but yeah. So, uh, if you're listening to this and are waiting on the final up, it'll be out next week. So stay tuned. Other than that. Um, yeah. Thank you both for.
00:48:05
Speaker
letting us do this and thank you both for coming on and giving people living proof that we're not lying. There are people that live with us and can stand us most of the time at least.
00:48:19
Speaker
Jess, can you read out a headline from today's newspaper? I can read for you from crafting and executing strategy. That's all I got right now.
00:48:37
Speaker
But yeah, so thank you both. Thank you. Thank you to everyone that's listened to us and listen to us for all 200 or most of 200 episodes. Don't blame me if you skipped a few. But yeah, then I will be back for the season finale next week. We appreciate you all for hanging out and listening to us. Have a good one, everyone. Later. Cheers.