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Season 2- Episode 37- The Grumpiest Old Prop (Super Rugby Aotearoa Round 6 & Super Rugby AU Round 3)
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Those rugby dopes from America are back with their latest banter. In this episode we have a look at what's going on with SANZAR including The Rugby Championship and what next year's southern hemisphere domestic competition could look like. We also discuss why we all need to be careful of our comments when it comes to folks namesake. Of course, we recap all the action from both New Zealand and Australia. Of course we have our usual banter and come see what's got Ben so hot & bothered. Kick back and tune in!
Ask us questions via Twitter: Jarrod- jdyke8man & Ben- admrablsnackbar. Send us your thoughts for the show and questions for upcoming shows via e-mail fantasyrugbypodcast@gmail.com. Of course we welcome feedback via e-mail, twitter or by rating/reviewing the pod on Apple Podcast.
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Transcript
Introduction and Weekend Recap
00:00:08
Speaker
Hey, everybody. Welcome back. It is a fancy rugby. My name is Jared Beck. I'm Ben Glaser. Let's go. Let's go. This was a weekend of wild finishes, I will say. I don't want to talk about it. Yeah, and I know it's a sore spot for you, but it was definitely a weekend of some pretty crazy finishes. Yeah. There were, yes. Crazy might be the operative word. Entertaining to a point. There's another one. There's another one. Was everything?
00:00:38
Speaker
Yeah, every match was within seven points. Yeah, within a score. So bonus points for all. Yeah. Um, uh, let's, let's drink beer. Cause I like beer. I like beer. One of these days we'll do a podcast on a Monday.
Podcast Engagement and App Insights
00:00:55
Speaker
We've been running on Tuesdays for a little while. Um, obviously make sure that you want to find your, uh, find us on your favorite podcast apps and where you download them all rate review. Um,
00:01:07
Speaker
Send us feedback on the email address, whatever, whatever tickles you. We want to hear from you for sure.
00:01:15
Speaker
And as always, thanks to our friends at The Rugby Magazine. Really looking forward to getting that fire back up. There is potentially an app coming out for phones, mobile app. So that'll be pretty awesome to see that go and shit that'll make my changing of my apps a lot quicker. I had the mobile website pulled up on my phone automatically, but
00:01:41
Speaker
That'll just make it 10 times easier. Yeah. I mean, the mobile site is it's okay on your phone, but it's not as easy. So having an app, oh, it's the best. I won't even have to get out of bed. You know, like, oh, shit, the match is about to start in 10 minutes. All right. Well, I'll just throw my, you know, I got my phone right here. Here it is. Get it fixed. So, yeah, sounds like they're cooking up some good stuff for when
00:02:09
Speaker
The Prem comes back, which will be great.
Social Media and Social Justice
00:02:11
Speaker
Of course, we always wanna thank our friend, the one and only, the Fancy Roby Geek. He's always churning out lots of good information. I have to check in on him and see how his draft is going, his draft season is going with this set.
00:02:24
Speaker
this short overlap, uh, combination here with, um, what would be a you and rugby, uh, super rugby, uh, to roll. Um, but we'll see how that's going. But, um, you know, look, check him out, uh, buy him a coffee, quote unquote, and, you know, make sure that you give him plenty of support. Um, there's a way that you can support him just via a review or whatever. Uh, make sure you do that too. He's worth it. I promise.
00:02:50
Speaker
Yeah, he's a top dude. And as always, we support the Black Lives Matter movement. If we had matches, we would kneel. I can promise you that. We won't have any matches anytime soon here. No, not anytime soon.
Vaccines and Sports Resumption
00:03:10
Speaker
As Ben and I were discussing earlier,
00:03:13
Speaker
go into full contact sports, non-professionally at least, until there's a vaccine. So that's going to be a bit. It's going to be a while for us. Yeah. And it's, you know, the vaccines kind of, I was just talking with some friends, vaccines kind of like the new iPhone. You don't want to get the new iPhone right when it drops. You want to, you want to wait for the price to go down and you also want to wait for them to fix the screw ups that happened in there. So yeah, it'll be a little bit before that happens. But,
00:03:43
Speaker
Yeah, we will definitely be always supporting the Black Lives Matter.
Casual Racism and Name Pronunciation
00:03:47
Speaker
A note from the one and only, Nemani Nandolo. He's been killing it on the Twitters. Yeah, he's all over it. He hasn't been this active on Twitter in a while. He must be bored. But he's, I mean, it doesn't sound it and it's like any, and I think the term that somebody coined was casual racism. I think that's pretty much what
00:04:10
Speaker
This personifies it where some where some band commented Oh, can you sign somebody that you know whose name I can pronounce? No, no Karen we're gonna we're gonna sign whoever the hell we feel like and that's the end and that's the end of it I I Encourage less retires to go find the most annoying names to pronounce from now on Just to piss Karen's and Tom's and whoever the fuck else wants to friggin have a piss fit about it, right? you're you're you're Having trouble
00:04:42
Speaker
as a supporter of the Lychester Tigers. How about that one? So yeah, it's like the, what was it? We had the Key and Peel. Oh, pronouncing. Yeah. Yeah. Like A.A. Ron instead of Aaron. It's like, yeah, freaking white people are so like, no, this is normal. You're weird. No, no, no, no.
00:05:05
Speaker
You're weird there normally. Yeah. Deal with it. Yeah. I mean, there's been tons of players in all sorts of sports. You're like, I really don't know how to pronounce that. That's okay. Right. That's not that hard.
00:05:21
Speaker
Yeah, it's intimidating. You look at it, but take a shot, man. Ben and I will obviously cocktail when we always fuck somebody's name pronunciation up. They could be anywhere between Welsh and Fijian. It doesn't matter. We could cock it up easily, but at least we take a swing and apologize if we completely screwed up. I had to pronounce
00:05:44
Speaker
I was doing a quick presentation the other day and I had to pronounce Hungarian Psychologists, I think and that was not a fun name to try and not fuck up. So yeah, I had to I had to do the same thing was given a Polish Yeah, and I asked him specifically because it's somebody who I hadn't worked directly with I just yeah you want to ask him how do I pronounce your name and he's like
00:06:12
Speaker
He's like, this is how you pronounce it. But don't don't don't don't try. Yeah, you don't really want like he's like, everybody butchers it. I won't take it personally. Yeah. OK. Yeah. Ask, you know, ask and and try and be and be nice about it. Don't just be like, I can't pronounce this person's name because I don't want to put brainpower into it. Well, fuck you. Don't fucking support the team. How's that? Just silly, silly stuff out there. Yeah. So yeah. And the player we're talking about, obviously, is Murray Murray Vallow, who signed for Lester.
00:06:41
Speaker
And that's such an easy name to say, Murray Maravallo.
00:06:45
Speaker
How hard is that? Yeah. We're going to take you back to grade school and we're going to talk about how you pronounce syllables. Put them all together and then make a word and there you go. Some of them are the exact same thing, like Murray Murray. You don't even have to worry about it. You don't have to worry about twice. That's really easy. It's just baffling. It's that, you know, people out here just, you know,
00:07:12
Speaker
shaking my head next level, dude. That's all I know. It is. It's colonialist, really. That's the way I see it. It's like, no, we need to come correct you. So no, that's not. Nope. This Murray Murray Volo, do not change, do not do a damn thing about it. Fuck those people. That's their problem, not yours. Right. I'm sure he wouldn't, but yeah, that's just ridiculous, guys. Come on.
00:07:37
Speaker
Clean it the fuck up.
Player Transfers and Economic Factors
00:07:40
Speaker
Player movement. Did this go under the radar and we didn't talk about it or did we talk about it only in brief, but T.T. Lamisotelli playing for Montelier? I don't remember talking about this. If we did, we mentioned it. No, I think we did. I think we kind of glossed over because it was one of those... Yeah, he's international and he's not...
00:08:03
Speaker
Yeah, he has ties to Saracens and that are tight. And I mean, I think this is, he's doing Academy products, if I'm not mistaken. Right. So yeah, so there's, yeah, it's still, yeah, he's, um, it's still, he needs to do something good for his career and they'll be fine without him. Yeah. I don't know if I can't remember if it's a loan or a full. I think it's a two year move. So, okay. Yeah, that's fair.
00:08:26
Speaker
Yeah. And this may have been part of the initial exodus of the Saracens when, you know, you know, the hammer dropped. Yeah. I mean, it looks, I'm looking back at the, the articles now and it looked like that dropped back in February. So we may have, we may have talked about it then. Yeah. So, and if we did, TT's moving to Montpellier. Shocker. So seeing no signing for, for the Saracens. The freaking Pumas just completely fell apart.
00:08:56
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. I don't know. Well, the high water is close enough. Yeah. Step one, step two. Yeah. It's mostly the same, right? Yeah, they did. Cause you know, well, it's going to be something we talk about in a second, but yeah, that's, um, I mean, Hey, I'll take a scene. Oh, if, if it's going to be a byproduct of it, he's, he's a fantastic player.
00:09:16
Speaker
Who else left? Like a bunch of them just signed. Lester signed Moroni, I think. Yes, I believe so. That was the one. I think Dougie signed somewhere. Yeah, there's a lot of guys that are getting thrown back into, you know, pretty much Europe. And what was it, Exeter signed?
00:09:35
Speaker
Cordero Cordero's brother brother Yeah, what a cheeky cheeky announcement that was. Oh, he's starting to guy named Cordero and then you know, what was an hour later? Nope, not that one I was like, ah you sly little shits. So yeah all those
00:09:52
Speaker
yeah all the argentinian players are are because um creepy signed elsewhere too right so i mean and he's at the end of his career so good for him and good for all of them really i mean not it's it's not good for argentina and like you said we'll get to that later um but
00:10:09
Speaker
you know, these, especially for an athlete, you only have a limited amount of time to make some money. And if you can, previous coming to the end of that. So yeah. Oh yeah. Creepy. This is this, like, you know, yours last contract essentially. And some of these other guys, like,
00:10:24
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, some of these guys are very young and probably could, you know, see, you know, Montoya. Yeah. Montoya landed somewhere good too. I remember it was exactly, but yeah. So all these, yeah, there's a lot of names that, and we'll get to that in a second, but yeah, we'll talk a little bit more about what's going on with the drag wash.
00:10:42
Speaker
But related note, we could have New Zealand potentially hosting the TRC.
COVID-19 and Rugby Logistics
00:10:50
Speaker
Obviously, those of you that don't know, New Zealand is pretty much just like, you know, there's no restrictions outside of don't fucking leave the country. That's it. Like right now, it's when you come back in.
00:11:03
Speaker
Yeah, and if you do, you've got to wait for a little while when you come back. And with that, obviously, it presents an opportunity to potentially host this because if they want to play it, this might be the way to go.
00:11:20
Speaker
In this situation, if you're crying foul about them having all home games, you're really not paying attention to what's going on in the universe at this point. Let's be real. It's just not something feasible. Yes, rugby AU could host a game or two if they want to. Obviously, they're not going to go to Victoria.
00:11:42
Speaker
But yeah, really if you want to be smart about this and just try and cut down the spread And get these played this this is probably gonna be the move. Although I will say I don't think New Zealand's taking the NFL anytime soon Yeah, I was gonna say like can we just have New Zealand host all professional sports for for the
00:12:01
Speaker
you know, near future. And then, yeah, we could just send the NFL there. They don't want us, man. They do not want us. Like the NFL is like, Oh, maybe we could do this. And I'm like, Oh, I think the Kiwis don't want us. So that's not going to happen. Keep dreaming. The outback is good for the NFL. Throw, throw them out there. Oh, good Lord. These guys think they seen heat. They haven't seen for good help back. My goodness.
00:12:25
Speaker
No way man. Um, so it's, it's a way to get it played and you know, got it. Yeah. That and it's worth it ultimately. And so if, if, if the TRC goes off, um, it'll be interesting because obviously, uh, players on the spring box and the, the, the Pumas will not have played a whole lot. Um, anybody and anybody outside of rugby Australia will, um,
00:12:51
Speaker
will be, well, that's not in the Super Rugby competition. Good luck getting them up to speed as well. We saw what it was like in the Super Rugby A.U. and Aotearoa round one and even round two.
00:13:10
Speaker
It wasn't all that impressive. The Rust is real, man. The Rust is real. So, shit, could you imagine some of those teams going up against the All Blacks right now? Oh, please. Yeah, so it might get played, but it might be a shit show at the same breath, so we'll see. But speaking of the Super Army competitions, I don't know if this is official or if this is just a report, but we know that
00:13:37
Speaker
It seems the high water is have been disbanded, but also South Africa could be on the outs with super rugby as well. So those teams could be looking for.
00:13:46
Speaker
a home in some sort of huge pro rugby with the Irish league. So it's pro 14 right now. It could balloon up to 16. I don't know how I feel about that personally. There's no high functioning league in rugby right now that's bigger than 14 and pro 14 and top 14 in France that have that distinction right now. Super rugby had a lot of teams.
00:14:14
Speaker
But they had a lot of problems that went with it as well. So that's why they started to cut down on teams, obviously.
00:14:21
Speaker
They were trying to get themselves back down to 14, I believe. Once the Sunwells left, I think it was gonna be 14. So that's, yeah, I don't know how- Cutting a little bit more than that then. Yeah, so now we're going down to more. So it could be just an outright Trans-Tasman competition. Although I will say the ideas that are coming off this also might include a Pacific
00:14:47
Speaker
nation's team of some sort, somewhere in either Samoa or Fiji. I think that would be great to give the likes of those players a professional team to shoot for. And that's not in New Zealand or Australia either. Then they lose players to there because they live there, they get their citizenship there and then
00:15:09
Speaker
It's like oh, I can play here too. Okay, I'm gonna play actually here too and you know You have the guys that really they just they don't want to do that They want to they want to play for their home country and to them I I credit them, you know tremendously but not all the guys want to do that because the paychecks a little bit better for the likes of the wallabies and the all black so Yeah, yeah, but but maybe if you can get you can grow some like start with a professional team and maybe that because again, you know those these
00:15:40
Speaker
at least the mature leagues are a little bit more socialist with how they dole out the, you know, league earned money and whatnot. So maybe that would help develop like that, you know, build up some of Fiji, you know, these island nations that are like,
00:16:00
Speaker
Yeah, they're struggling. And really the only difference between them and being where they are, which is, you know, tier one- One B-ish. Yeah. And like New Zealand, it's economics. As you said, it's more opportunity, better for the players to be there than in their home country. And that's not right if we can fix that.
00:16:27
Speaker
Yeah. Let's absolutely. I mean, it would be nice to see New Zealand have to compete with their own players. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure they have the talent. Oh, sure. Of course they do about this. You know, they know.
00:16:38
Speaker
They can find their talent, but they've always been able to, so make no mistake about it. And you'd still see a little bit of a trickle over from the island countries as well. Of course, you'd still see it, but it would be less. Yeah, the time would be jammed. Yep, I agree. They've hosted some matches in Suva and they've done well.
00:16:57
Speaker
So I think it's there. I think it requires somebody to put the time, the effort, and a little bit of change into it. And when I say change, I mean pocket change into it. And you could see a really good product out of that team. I mean, shit, imagine guys that get to train with each other all the time from these countries. And we know the spectaculars that they can do
00:17:24
Speaker
you know, the likes of a Nakarawa, a Pasilayato, you know, Murray Maravallo, as we've seen them, you know, these guys are just, they just do some amazing things. You know, what the hell is the guy's name from Bristol?
00:17:43
Speaker
That's some Samoan. There's the one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the likes of that just doing some really awesome things and doing them as somebody that plays with, you know, each other. I think I know which team would lead the competition in offloads. Right? Just gonna throw that out there. Just a thought.
00:18:09
Speaker
So yeah, it would be, you know, it would be great if this is what this leads to. I'd hate, I'd hate to see the Argentine team go down and not have something else, um, developing another, another rugby nation, uh, go into its place. So hopefully, hopefully that's what happens. Cause I feel like, uh, you know, Argentina is fairly well stocked with talent.
00:18:31
Speaker
I think we've seen that. Yeah. On the, on the international level. So losing some of these players, you know, if that affects their international status or not, I'm guessing it won't. Probably not. But losing a super league team anyway, I don't know that that will affect their, their product at this point. They're a pretty well established nation. I think as far as a top set of rugby, they're going to have to maintain it without the super league team. Yeah, they have.
00:18:57
Speaker
They they I mean as we saw last year with the team that got to the final for Subaru OB.
Argentina's Rugby Strategy
00:19:02
Speaker
They definitely have some talent and they, they left guys, I mean, Argentina left guys at home. They probably shouldn't have at the World Cup. And it does speak a little bit to what they had in the locker that they were, that they were willing to do that. Was it the smartest thing? Maybe, maybe not TBD, but as far as, you know, their, their young talent, they definitely have some. So hopefully that pipeline can keep going even without a super league team for at least in the near future. I'm sure somebody will try something else soon.
00:19:31
Speaker
But for now, no Argentina. So with that, how about we go to Australia?
Super Rugby AU Highlights
00:19:40
Speaker
Super Rugby AU, round three. I'll just read off the pair of scores here. Reds 31, Fors 24, and Waratas 23, Brumbies 24. And that is, I mean, both these matches were
00:19:56
Speaker
Pretty darn good. I mean, props to the four. Let's talk about the Reds in the Forest. Let's go over to Suncorp. Props to the Forest. They backed up last week with another one this week. Yes, they did. No, they didn't win. But man, totally deserved to be in that game. Right. I mean, they were gassed about 15 minutes in. So you knew it wasn't. It probably wasn't going to work out well for them.
00:20:20
Speaker
But, but they played their, their, you know, it's, it's their fitness that, that, that ended up killing them in the, in the match, but they played like monsters. They played so well. Um, you know, and, um, you know, we had a U S and a U S player, Rocky, although they, uh,
00:20:41
Speaker
He announced him as an American right as he threw a pass into touch. But to his credit, he was reading the bounces really well. And we set up a couple of tries because of it. Like he was joining on the spot. I think it was a knockdown that went right into his hands. I believe it was their opening try. And I was just like, he was right on top. And he did the second.
00:21:05
Speaker
Yeah, he cleaned up a General Lance chip. Yeah. And passed it out for two passes to the tribe, but still. Still, yeah. He was instrumental in both their opening tries. So, you know, definitely, you know, when they weren't reminding him that he was supposed to fuck up. He did fine. I think he had the one
00:21:26
Speaker
one bit of sloppy defense that, uh, cost them, cost them dearly. But, um, I heard, I did hear on the broadcast and this is news to me and you know, not everything's that much news to me when it comes to the stuff lately. At least I try not to make it that way. Um, the force are only used to playing 70 minute games. Yeah. And that competition that they've been playing in, I didn't know that that's a, that was a new one on me. So that could explain that being a little gassed.
00:21:51
Speaker
I heard that too. And I was just like, that's weird. Yeah. That's like, you know, 15 minutes to go at that point. No, no, you still got more to go. 25. Yeah. Oh, we had bum.
00:22:01
Speaker
We didn't saw a Kailoto bum. That's a big bum. He was doing some great shit. He knocked it on. He was still gathering it back to make sure that his team still got it. Yep. Good concentration on that one. Defender just pantsed him and he said, okay, you can have my pants. I got the ball and popped it off for the try and it'll be
00:22:21
Speaker
Yeah, okay. Yeah, shifted it through O'Connor. O'Connor does what he does best and find guys open in space. I do love the, I have to say, and even John O'Lance, I love the attacking 10s that we're seeing in Australia rugby. We see a lot of these, all four of the 10s that have been playing for their teams in this competition have been very downhill. And I do like that.
00:22:45
Speaker
It definitely can get a little bit drab with the tens that just sit back and hoof it every time You know that has its place But man, this is just entertainment right here. It is all this and I I will say that the 50 22 rule is not impacting the game Not yet. No, I'm not terribly. I mean you have a couple of brain
00:23:08
Speaker
you know, do a moments where guys go, Oh, uh, the shit that was supposed to gather that wasn't I. Uh, so, um, and, but it's something, you know, it's, it was, it, there was, there was the one in this match. Uh, O'Connor had a really good one off of a restart and, um, and, uh, Tupou finished Tupou finished that one.
00:23:28
Speaker
With it with a try off them all yeah, and then the uh, the other match I know we're not there yet, but there was a 50 22 there that I think it was a bad throw and it ended up, you know, the Defense was able to clear off a strum or something. I can't exactly what it was. But um, yeah, it's It's it's not changing the match much other than making it I think at times more interesting. It's kind of fun it's it's it's still very novel but
00:23:55
Speaker
Yeah. Let's see if they use it more to. We'll see. We got a few more weeks in this competition. So hopefully how it will be used will come more to fruition as the clock goes. Somebody's going to have to remember that Dagenu loves to step back inside because he's done it three times now and he's putting himself over the whitewash every time. So every time Dagenu gets the ball on the wing, just remember he wants to cut back.
00:24:21
Speaker
Don't let him and see if you can force him in the touch. Although maybe people know that now and he's still able to do it, in which case that's pretty fucking impressive. Yeah. I mean, was that the one where Hamish Stewart gave him a fucking sweet little pass? Real quick transfer. No, that was, I think that was Paisami that went off for that scamper.
00:24:47
Speaker
There was another one. But yeah, in either case, I do remember distinctly noting that, uh, diagonal stepped off his half as weighing back inside and found found pay dirt. So, um, just remember that he he's okay with stepping back inside and he's probably gonna look to do it. So, uh, note to all the Australian defenses out there now. Um, but yeah, eventually Liam Wright is going to get it right also. Eventually he'll get it right and get the try that he so richly deserves on the goal line.
00:25:19
Speaker
He'll be there one day. He'll be there one day. Keep reaching for that rainbow. Yeah. Just so close. Just there. Just, just there. He did, he did everything right. He was, he was on side. Everything was fine. This time it was, uh, the scrum half who just touched it down. So like, it still worked out pretty well for, uh, her team, but still one of those, like, yeah, it's frustration. That's, that's twice now where you almost had to try. Oh, so close, man.
00:25:48
Speaker
And, you know, I said before, you know, the force backing it up, they are definitely not going easily. You know, the intercept try was, I mean, super gamble. He's like, I have two options here. Either I'm going to get fucked on defense, or I'm just going to go for this thing and go for the home run. And he swung hard and he hit. So that was impressive. But yeah, so this team is not a pushover.
00:26:11
Speaker
I don't know. And their reserves, their reserves were doing work too. So like you'd see, as soon as a new reserve came in, you'd see a high teens, low twenties number everywhere. You're like, okay, cool. Like that, that they're not just coming in and, um, and continuing effort. They were, they were raising the game of, of everyone. So, uh, reserve hooker got over the line. Yeah. Yeah. It was, uh, yeah. Give the force loads of credit.
00:26:38
Speaker
They're outside the comfort zone here for sure, but they are not going down without a fight. They're fighting every which way. So it's impressive to see and they'll finally get a home match this weekend. So hopefully they can step up all the opponents less than ideal. But that's all right. Speaking of their opponents, Wartos and Brumby's, Wartos 23, Brumby's 24. Just a quick note, Alessio left this game early and man,
00:27:05
Speaker
His replacement played well, but man, that's just such a loss. He's been in great form for this Brumby's team. And I was so worried. He's likely done for the majority of the competition. I would say that Hammy looked pretty nasty.
00:27:20
Speaker
And that was like, uh, that was it. So it's weird. You see, you know, we talk about, well, you and I talk about non-contact injuries and you know that it's bad when, um, you see a guy just go down, not being touched. In this case, well, this year it was being tackled and he popped a hamstring and it's like, it's like the opposite. Like that means that's bad. Cause that's not like you're running an open field and it just, you know, it gets sniped. Um,
00:27:46
Speaker
seen that before. That's, yeah, that's painful to look at. It's painful, but that could be, that could be like a two week injury, right? You know, this would, when you're getting tackled and then that's when you pull something, um, he was fine going into the contact. It was coming out of it. So yeah.
00:28:02
Speaker
That yeah, it's probably not gonna be fun for a while. Yeah, the hamstring getting sniped reminds me of, I think it was Charlie Sharples probably about four or five years ago. He was running in an open field try and just stopped, almost stopped dead because he pulled something, but he got over the line. But man, was it painful to watch? I was like, ooh, that is not a good thing. But he is so close to the line. Get over here.
00:28:26
Speaker
Oh, poor guy. I was like, Ooh, that's, he's definitely done, but at least he got the job done. But damn. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's not a good thing. Those hammies are nasty, man. Um, I guess here's my question though, outside of that, um,
00:28:42
Speaker
Was it just the Muirhead card that kept the toss in it really? I don't know. But they scored 14 points in that 10 minutes. And they only scored 23 for the match.
00:29:02
Speaker
They did not start off well with QSAC getting the lucky try. Will Harrison knocking it on and then QSAC just being Johnny on the spot. Yeah, that was good work. Hey, good on QSAC. That's hard work and a little bit of luck. That's all it is sometimes. And your head. Let's be fair. Put pressure on Harrison. 100%. Yeah, absolutely. Both of them got to be there to make that thing happen.
00:29:27
Speaker
Um, but yeah, and you know, they they had a couple the toz had a couple of kicks And then yes, the the oh that card the hall that james ramsh pry. Oh, that was that was because merhead wasn't there He was off. So like that that try might not happen without the the the card But of course, I mean shit, that's that's the brumby's fault for turned out
00:29:49
Speaker
I'm not compensating for it, come on man. They were calling for it wide too the whole time and Harrison realized it and said, here you go. And Ram made it happen. I'm happy for Ram. I really wanted to see, I want to see him do well. Agreed. Yeah, I think he's a talent.
00:30:09
Speaker
I think he has a little bit developing to do, but man, he could be something special. He seems to have a nose for just putting his ears back and flying, which is what you want from some of your wingers. So, yeah, just jogging on the spot for everybody. How about the Horton try? He just snuck around the side there. I like it.
00:30:33
Speaker
Yeah. Um, no, I, I love it. Cause wait, hold on. I'm not sure I'm talking about the right one. The one that came from the one that came from the scrum half when he was tied up. Yeah. So that was beautiful. The hooker just pops around. I'm like, all right, well look, you're going to hold him in. I'll just, it was like a switch and replace and of responsibilities and nobody decided to pinch down. So it's like, okay, you know,
00:30:57
Speaker
Everybody that whoever was that first defender thought no the scrum hats in that means it's gonna be passed out. Nope Mm-hmm. Yep. Oops Daisy. I mean good on him first start first try Yeah, good on the boy and then we saw fines do something enough not exactly similar but a nice little like taxi line out wide and till suddenly there was a gap appeared and
00:31:19
Speaker
Yeah. It was, I mean, man, this is, this is a fiction that the war ties haven't figured out a way to beat and to win in a long time. And it looked like they were going to finally get it done, but the Brumby's Brumby and finds just, he found it and he, he, he, you know, it was no, really nobody taking responsibility for him as, as the runner. And that's what just opened your responsibility, your responsibility, your responsibility, nobody's responsibility. So he's like, Hey, awesome. Thanks guys. Try.
00:31:47
Speaker
And that would obviously end up being the winner.
00:31:50
Speaker
It was um, yeah and I It was funny that they mentioned it because I was actually thinking it if anybody in Australia Any anybody that plays number two and where's the number two Jersey can learn how to fucking throw a line up They will be a wallaby because yeah, and you know, we're in week three and we saw it in that hero So I won't completely shit on him. But yeah, we're definitely seeing a big issue with why not throws and it's a little it's a little bit on it's always
00:32:20
Speaker
it always looks like it's the hooker, but you have to give a little bit of the blame to the jumpers and the lineup callers because they're supposed to be operating this shit. Yeah. So yeah. And, and I,
00:32:36
Speaker
It's not so much for the, the lost lineouts. Um, but there's too many overthrows, which is always the hookers fault. Um, especially when you throw to the back, cause it's not, there's no timing there. You just fucking overthrew it. Um, does that mean sometimes they do it intentionally? No, these are bad. And then not straights. I mean, we're seeing some bad, not straight calls like at the level we
00:32:58
Speaker
coach and play at tight, bad throat. It's like, no, I'm sorry. You over in Australia should be doing better than, you know, some club helmet team in the US. Yeah, absolutely. I agree.
00:33:14
Speaker
so it's uh it's it's frankly embarrassing like these these are these are professionals they should be able to throw and you know what and i guess it's not the same because like you know uh if you want to find someone on on a football team um who knows how to throw football you can probably launch it talk to one of the offensive linemen one of them can can fucking chuck it um so like i've known plenty of props who can
00:33:38
Speaker
Throw in it just doesn't seem to be a thing over there. But yeah, maybe they should start thinking about it because if your hookers can't throw You want to complete those lines man, they're valuable right? It's it's too valuable to have it be that shitty whether it's improving the hookers throws or Replacing that responsibility got to do something. Mm-hmm
00:34:02
Speaker
Yeah, so Brumby's won it, not quite at the death, but damn close. 23, 24 over the Waratahs. Brumby's remained in the race for first place here with the Reds. Reds are actually in front by the tally of the table so far, but still darn good stuff from them. And we got game on and down under first, especially I want to see this Reds Brumby's game happen in a couple weeks here. It'll be very interesting.
00:34:34
Speaker
Let's go a little further east and go over to Aotearoa.
Key Players and Game Performances
00:34:40
Speaker
leading off with Keynes versus Blues. No Hoskins to two in this match. Very, very strange call from no Clark either, right? Yes, no, no, no, Caleb Clark. So very, very, very peculiar calls here from from Leon McDonald. I don't know if this is a reaction from last week. I doubt that certainly with not with to two to cheese. You know, I'm he's been he's been the toast of the town lately and
00:35:10
Speaker
to remove him seems a wee bit of a head scratcher. Yeah, who knows? So let's talk about this man cuz he's gonna be the obvious one that we need to talk about in this match.
00:35:25
Speaker
He, so Lomape apparently, I don't know if the local papers have been doing this or it's been Twitter or just the local media in general have been letting him have it for reasons X, Y, and Z. I have no idea. But he felt disrespected this game and the Blues paid for it because he was mean. He was mean to everybody out there, especially poor old Terry Black who was on the wrong end of that first try.
00:35:53
Speaker
I was like, I was screaming at the team, I'm like, cut in, cut in, cut in, thinking like, you know, I don't want him to get nuts in the touch or something like that. He says, nope, I am going to bowl this guy. Oh my God. He just completely cracked poro terry black. Just like, Oh, I was like, Oh, that was, that was just not nice. He chose to do that. I mean, and he did that after he skinned bone. Yeah.
00:36:19
Speaker
He didn't he didn't just beat him. He's like, fuck you. I'm gone. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He just left it. Oh, Terry Black. Oh, poor guy. Ouchtown population. Mr. Terry Black. My God. I mean, if the New Zealand All Blacks play this year and none of them is not in that squad.
00:36:42
Speaker
Please somebody go like take the elevator all the way down. Make sure hell hasn't frozen over cuz what the shit like good lord I am gonna be so baffled as to how this happens Man, I mean goes without saying man the match he was in he did it. He didn't just do it on offense He did on defense. He did his kick chase We saw the kick chase that he had that really kind of sparked a little bit of a drive for them Yeah, just a lot of good stuff coming from the man in the middle for
00:37:09
Speaker
for the hurricanes People are kind of making this an issue and I don't know why the fuck they're doing it but the booze for Bowdoin Barrett I mean It's not it's not to shit on him. It's all You can tell when you should okay, I say you can you should be able to tell when booze are
00:37:29
Speaker
in good faith and are just for to take the piss out of someone, that's all. There's a guy who played for the Philadelphia Phillies and was okay, nothing great, but put up some good numbers. He was on the team that won the World Series in 2008.
00:37:51
Speaker
And I think either that offseason or the next offseason or maybe, you know, yeah, I think it was only two years later. So he signs with the Washington Nationals for a huge deal. Big deal. And every time he came back to the Phillies, he got booed.
00:38:08
Speaker
And it wasn't like, um, you know, you'll know when they hate you. You'll know when they hate you. This was a, uh, you left for the money. Fuck you. And he's like, yeah, I left for the money. All right, we're good. But then for the rest of his career, he always got at least one good boo every time he made an appearance in Philadelphia. So it's, it's, but it's, it's getting good fun. You know, you still love the guy and wish him well, but at the same time, you know, you got to, you got to,
00:38:38
Speaker
Give him a little shit for for leaving. Mm-hmm. Yeah It's in the book it happens man. Yeah, I mean and and you know, he backed it up Bowden Barrett did with with an early try, you know a little dummy TJ went TJ went in bit bad TJ bad TJ went in bit and and That's the wrong guy to leave alone because obviously Barrett's one of the fastest guys in New Zealand. So oops Oops Daisy
00:39:07
Speaker
Overall, though, in that first half, for me, and they said it was a fair reflection, I'm not sure that was accurate, I feel like the Blues might have been a little lucky to be tied going into the half. You know, they got one off TJ, just not getting a little selfish and getting a little greedy. And really, that's all they got out of that half. I feel like they had, the Kings had some composure problems.
00:39:33
Speaker
they were they were they were having a little bit of discipline issues they were having um just yeah just some stupid shit like you said i like i was thinking uh dang cold starting shit off a mall like it's just little things here and there um they i think they sort of that out at halftime though it's one of these like if you guys pull your heads out of your asses you're gonna you're gonna win this match and
00:39:57
Speaker
Yeah. And they did. Yeah. And Umaga Jensen definitely thrived off of La Mape, obviously being the very focal point of a lot of people's worries when it came to the hurricane backline. And he thrived. He was definitely cutting these guys up a lot. And, you know, really it was basically the two guys that played inside and outside of Garden Basham played a great game, I thought.
00:40:18
Speaker
When he got pulled, I was really scratching my head like no, this is the time to write him. He's playing well He's getting on the ball. He's hitting the line hard He's looking he looked very creative in his role. So He's growing before our eyes. I will say that for sure God bash up and that's a hell of a pair of boots to fill too So all the credit in the world to the kid. He's doing a great job so far and
00:40:43
Speaker
there was in, you know, blues, definitely, definitely fought like hell. Um, but man, that was, that was a great try from between Coles and TJ. What a line, what a good line, good ball. You gotta, you gotta throw the right pass to get there and TJ did and, and Coles knew what he was doing. So that was a, it was a good, good, uh, good job by the two co-captains, but especially it was interesting. Um, Dane Cole's doing that cause he's usually doing his workout on the wing. So it's good to see, you know, for, for those, uh,
00:41:14
Speaker
you know, if you're throwing that one, you know, one, three, three, one up, like a lot of these things do, you know, you have your, your wing forward out there and Coles is one of, you know, he's the guy on one of the wings, uh, for the canes. Um, but like, just, just as you want your, your wing to come in and take that line, that was Colsey running that, that weak side wing line up the middle of the defense and they didn't account for him. And you don't expect, and I think that's one of those, you don't expect to see Dane Coles there because you're so used to him. And all of a sudden it's like,
00:41:43
Speaker
All right, we have all these forward to look out for and fuck here comes dane cole sneaking. Where'd you come from? Excellent excellent job by him and I don't think I don't think they were ready for it. Yeah, no, it was um He was definitely uh caught the nappin a little bit on that one for sure. Um, there was there was a uh There was a quite a it was a good bit of honesty and you know, we'll talk about it at the end um
Referee Critiques and Game Outcomes
00:42:11
Speaker
the try that won it, but quite a bit, by the way, I still think O'Keeffe is very overrated at this point. I don't think he had a great game this game either. So he's been, he's over three- He was still by far the best referee in New Zealand this week. Which is a terrifying thought. But here's the thing that I appreciated at the end.
00:42:32
Speaker
And he was very blatant, very honest when asked about his team performance. And he said, we didn't turn up. And I appreciate that so much. There's so much sugarcoating that goes on in sports in general, really. But rugby has been known for a while to be pretty honest.
00:42:55
Speaker
when it comes to stuff like this. And I think it started to go the way of pro sports and the way they sugarcoat it. Really, and it's not Tui Piloto saying, you guys sucked. It's what he's saying is, I expect better out of you guys. This is a very good Blues team, regardless of who's not in the team. Kiryawani got his due and got himself over as well, along with Papa Lee. So it's not like they're back road in performing even without Tutu.
00:43:24
Speaker
But it's, you know, and when you can be that honest with your team, it's a good thing, you know? And if you go about it the right way, you don't call guys out individually and say they were garbage. You do that in the locker room. That's one thing. And that's one thing that I don't think a lot of sports get right, where they call each other out, out and immediately, like, no, no, no, sort that shit out in the locker room. Because if you do that, and I can think of one particular person here in NFL football,
00:43:52
Speaker
called out his offensive line for being shit and if you do that to me and I'm an offensive lineman, you better believe I'm gonna let the next guy that comes at you go all out so you get creamed.
00:44:03
Speaker
But yeah, you don't do that. You be honest with your team's performance and say, hey, this wasn't good enough. We didn't turn up. We made a lot of mistakes today. So let's fix it. But yeah, just be very honest and do it. Point it at the team. Don't point at the coaches. Don't point at your teammates individually. Just say as a team, we fucked it up.
00:44:24
Speaker
And I, and I really appreciate that from two below two. There's just, I just hope more sports can, can take that and, and use it and use that model because I would hope that, you know, we would do that as, you know, a team I play on and also as the kids that I coach, you know, that's something that I would definitely aspire, um, any team, especially in rugby to, to do. So, uh, I appreciate that a lot from Patrick too.
00:44:53
Speaker
But there was that 15 man mall that made that all possible. I'm not gonna skip over that. It seems like a 15 man mall at least. I think there were at least one or two guys not in it, but yeah, pretty much. Everybody in, everybody in, everybody in. Finally, Anmua is the one that comes up with it, rightly so. He's played very well with the hurricanes, obviously being a debutante to
00:45:24
Speaker
to Dan calls and then Jordy Barrett does what his brother could not and hits the winning kick. Man, I want to know what that conversation was like. What happened, big brother? What happened? Yeah. Oh, man. Especially after because Jordy donked one early. He did. And then it ended up that sequence and ended up with a
00:45:49
Speaker
Apopoly tried so yeah, there's you know, he had to he had to kind of pick himself up Otherwise he was gonna get it himself. It was what you know, obviously there's gonna be a little baron Barrett Shit talking afterwards. So yeah, and and I think at halftime they showed the two of them running in having a good not a spirited chat either just having a casual conversation obviously
00:46:10
Speaker
together as early as this past fall when they were playing together at the World Cup so but yeah just a very casual conversation I'm sure it was like something that they usually have at dinner I don't know didn't look like it was anything out of the ordinary really they were just having their regular conversation just wearing different color uniforms this time that's all
00:46:28
Speaker
So yeah, the hurricanes pull off, I think most people will town as the upset considering how good the blues have been minus last week in this, the week before here. So yeah, I will take it. I'm okay with being wrong on that one. I did pick the blues, but I'll take it. I don't care.
00:46:47
Speaker
Yeah, this week would be different. So close your eyes and just like, I don't know, take your headphones off here for a second, Ben. Chiefs, Highlanders, 3133.
00:47:01
Speaker
Yeah, I mean let's talk about the good part because the good part was Bashir getting his two and the chief was hot, red hot. Yeah, ridiculous Bashir this match. Yeah, how many? Yeah, he starts it off with the try.
00:47:19
Speaker
How many times did he win it at the end? Yeah, he won at least two pens near the end Yeah, at least two or three, right? Um, yeah, yeah and he had an interception too like he didn't he did all sorts of stuff um, but yeah that there was a lot of good stuff there was I mean this was a Outside of a couple things this was an amazing rugby match between two very good sides, right? Um, I mean
00:47:46
Speaker
Like you know as much as i've shit on him a little bit and he had a couple of he had he had a couple of fuck ups here there Um, but still kula had a really good match Running in space. I mean, you know, it's it's one of those he still does too many things where he runs into double tackles when he doesn't need to and then that the Pick off the scrum. I think he just got his left and right mixed mixed up You know little things like that but
00:48:13
Speaker
He did it. He had a good match in the loose. I was one of those. Okay, that's the so a Kula. We needed to see a lot more often. Mm-hmm Agreed. No, sir. No to pyre for this one He played in the he did come in at the end. He was there to help him lose it You know, I don't think they scored a point after he came in What are you gonna do yeah, but yeah the So so I'm mad at three people
00:48:44
Speaker
Uh, I'm going to go, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Paul Williams is one of them. Referee. Yes. Um, by the way, that's referee. Um, I couldn't remember. No, the referee was Mike Frazier. Was that Frazier? Okay. Sorry. That's Frazier. That's why I was confused. I was like, no, I don't think it was Paul. No, it was Mike. You're right. You're right. My fault. Um, all right. So, so Frazier, um,
00:49:11
Speaker
Potentially the touch judge that was sitting right there. No, no, no Geez, I don't know who else who else you are you upset Gatlin? No, no, no, he I thought he did fine You know because again you talk about this was the opposite of Warren ball In fact, they they shouldn't they should have been playing Warren ball for the last, you know, 30 minutes of the match they didn't So but that because of that I'm mad at Damien McKenzie
00:49:42
Speaker
Mac, yeah. Super pissed at him for a couple. He hoofs it down the middle. So the one thing that was working out for the Highlanders, they couldn't really gain much in open play. What they were able to do well was an unstructured play.
00:50:01
Speaker
DMACC keeps kicking it down the middle of the fucking field to them. And they run it in for fucking tries. And it's like, at some point, at some point, you know, they had a score of 122 and kicked the touch, you know, make them, make them earn it. And instead he kicks it. Yeah. He was at the middle of the field and that's the one that the third person I'm mad at. Aaron Smith. Yeah. Aaron, fuck Aaron Smith this match. I mean, no, no, no, seriously.
00:50:26
Speaker
excellent match. He played really, really well, but it pissed me off. Well, you know, and really at the end, you know, so, and he made, he made the tackle on the initial, the guy that was going for the line. But when he was chasing Aaron, when Brad Weber was chasing Aaron Smith, what he should have done is tackled Aaron Smith, even though he got rid of the ball and nobody would have said shit had he. And I think somebody else might've been able to get a, get ahold of the guy that got the ball.
00:50:54
Speaker
Cuz then he doesn't take him out of the play, doesn't even take him out. And he just, shit, you gotta at least give him a good shove. And he comes right back in and he's the one that dives over the line. I mean, this is the Aaron Smith that the Highlanders need in order to see any sort of progress. And this is the Islanders, this is the Aaron Smith that the All Blacks really need if they're gonna have, I'm gonna assume that Aaron Smith's gonna at least try and ride out till 2023.
00:51:21
Speaker
But this is the definitely type of stuff that Aaron Smith needs to do in order to maintain his spot. Sorry, I was reading some of my notes and getting more pissed at Mackenzie. And the time that... So yeah, he missed... Fuck Aaron Smith. He missed... Who is it? Hunt. He ran past Hunt to go cover Gregory.
00:51:43
Speaker
That's not the guy I'm covering. Fucking thing this season. No. So make him make the play. Throw the pass and make Gregory catch it because he wasn't so hot at that. Although he did have a great take. I'll give him that at one point in the match.
00:52:00
Speaker
he uh he's yeah make him do something it's like you're acting like he's there i would be if i was gatland i would have been telling my players yeah see that gregory kid he doesn't he doesn't exist there's nobody in that 14 years or whatever jersey he's wearing fucking you know who fit at him that you were all over the street
00:52:17
Speaker
Yeah, if he's in position to run with it, yeah, let him. Take out Hunt, make Gregory do something for a change. Yeah, make him beat you. Yeah, because I mean, at one point, I will say this was a fairly good stroke from Aaron Major. He had Yewani, Hunt, Mackay, and Collins all on the field.
00:52:40
Speaker
all of them are very capable of being good distributors of the ball. And that made them very, very, that made their attack very interesting to watch. They were very creative. Um, so it made, certainly made it fun to watch if you're a neutral, obviously if you're a chief supporter, that was not fun because they were, they were doing some fun things to watch. Yeah, they were doing some funding. Absolutely. A lot of fun to watch. Um, and the chief's defense, their, their, their defensive lines were not good. Um, they were, they were,
00:53:09
Speaker
coming up, they were peaking rather than coming up flat as a line. Um, so like the exterior defense was still was like back at the, um, the line to gain. And it's like, no, you guys kind of move up to move that way, that way. Yeah. And the Highlanders were like, like you said, they were, they were passing that ball around. So they were like, all right, that's where that, you know, here's where the point of, uh, you know, here's where you're sending the edge of the defense. We're just going to go right around it. Cause you're telling us where it is. So, um,
00:53:38
Speaker
Yeah, they, they did well to attack that the chief's weaknesses, but I will say the chief's tackled well. So even though they would kind of get a half line break, they'd still break, they make the tackle and, and ultimately it wouldn't really be like, you know, too much of a gain. It would just spread it from one side of the field to the other. But it was that, that unstructured play that really just. Yeah. And that's what they were thriving off of for sure. Yeah. A hundred percent agree.
00:54:01
Speaker
Okay, so but we haven't talked about offender number one here Fraser yeah, and I you know the try withstanding that that occurred and even the penalty that he was get that he gave later I You know immediately and I had not seen this match when I when I initially watched her didn't even know the result Immediately, I watched it I watched this this last line out that or the second last line up that occurred between the two teams and I thought
00:54:30
Speaker
you know, playing the man in the air, for sure. And he let it go. And then, you know, this resulted in some weird penalty for a truck on trailer, which I wasn't sure about. I don't even, yeah, like, I, the two, like, two ticky tack, like, calls that one took away a try and the other
00:54:53
Speaker
Basically, it was like, yeah, if you can do this well, it's a try. With the Damien Mack try. Yeah, I was like, oh, no, they're not going back to watch this, are they? And I was like, shit. Even Mackenzie was like, that was like five phases ago. And he's like, yeah, I don't care. He's like, that was more like two months later. By the letter of the law, it's the same passage of play, and that sucks. But that felt like forever ago. So maybe there's a lots week that can be had there where you can put a time limit on it.
00:55:19
Speaker
Right. And so it was, let's put it this way too. So we talked, there's the, let me talk, the laws about the mall that changes when it's a kick in the kicking situation. Right. And in this case, it was in the, it was a high ball that like just basically bounced around and went off a foot. I thought it was you that it was a, no, it wasn't a knock on. Cause it was a, it ended up being a knee.
00:55:43
Speaker
Yeah, there's a knee and an accidental offside called on trask, I think. And, and it's like, I'm sorry, but again, the, the, the, I still go back to my referee training because it applies here. It didn't have an impact on the play. Both teams after that had full, right. Actually the fucking highlanders player was right there. He had first hands on it.
00:56:08
Speaker
Yeah, he didn't gather it well. And he didn't gather it. So it's like, OK, look, you didn't create an unfair situation. Both teams had had access to it. We missed it in the initial run up. So, OK, it just basically that didn't affect the outcome of the sequence. So you're not at some point, you got to be smarter than that and be like, yeah, you know, that was first off, that was like a minute ago. And second off, it's a minor offense.
00:56:38
Speaker
that doesn't change you know that didn't it's not like without that happening the you know the chiefs don't score you know the chiefs i'm sorry if yeah it's like if even if he didn't touch his it doesn't touch his ankle
00:56:51
Speaker
It might actually be more likely to get it because they're guys running forward. Yeah. And the Highlanders guy was kind of standing there bounced basically right to him. He still didn't get it. So, um, I think at that point you got to be like, yeah, whatever. We should let it play. And then, then, so you already have that ticky tackness and then the ticky tack of the fucking 10 seconds left.
00:57:13
Speaker
I haven't seen truck and trailer called in a long time. I will say that. And I won't go back and rewatch it because that pissed me off. That's a good idea. Don't go watch that. I didn't see anything close to a truck and trailer. And I think it was somebody coming in from outside the mall or something. I don't know what the fuck it was. But it's like, you know what, just the game's over. Just
00:57:38
Speaker
And you already, you already shit on the Chiefs big time once. At some point you just fucking put, make the, let the players decide it. Cause that doesn't, it doesn't change the outcome of, of that play. Same thing. You know, you're mauling it. You're going to kick the touch. You're just wasting time. Okay. Well then fuck it. Let them waste time and kick it to touch to end the match.
00:57:58
Speaker
you had 10 seconds left and you had to insert yourself in a nothing play. Um, yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't the best, uh, but, uh, referring on display on either match this weekend. I mean, the worst thing that happened to the chiefs on the, on the Damien Mack trial is they didn't, they didn't separate the passages of play. They could, they could, they could have had a penalty yet knock something and then still scored off of it. And I guarantee you they probably still would have scored off that had, we had,
00:58:25
Speaker
Two separate passages of play, but yeah, it's just you know, it's it's one of those years unfortunately for the Chiefs where they're just
00:58:36
Speaker
There's luck against them right now. Somewhere out there, the juju has been turned poorly against them. I don't know who did what to turn it that way, but it's how it is. The bad trauma is out there somewhere, somehow. So whoever fucking did it, can you not do that so Ben doesn't keep doing this? Please. Hey, all I know is Luckman Blush here is worth the price of admission, so I'm okay for now. Yeah, I mean... He's good.
00:59:02
Speaker
Talk about that probably needs to be an all black one. If there's new New Zealand team this year, for sure. So here's the question. Um, you know, as much as we talk about Shannon for Zell, um, and this fucking stud that he is, we had, we, we went this whole thing, not talking about him at all until just now. I know he played. He's very, yeah. I mean, it's hard to ignore him. You know, he's very good.
00:59:23
Speaker
Yeah, and he didn't have a terrible match but no, I mean he just got overshadowed, you know, gosh I mean that to you know that that that's one thing that that impresses me you got us, you know when you have a matchup like that that's you know You're the you're the man As far as you know the f a little bit the hype and you're you're currently the starting hmm sex And boss here comes and just steals your thunder from the from the opening whistle. Mm-hmm
00:59:51
Speaker
Yeah, but yeah, like dude, I don't know like Bashir definitely he deserves some consideration just He should be he should be picked at the very least he should be on the squad Yeah, that's why I do that radio announcement for the next All Blacks team at Auckland Bashir's name should be read. He should There's so many so many flankers there
01:00:16
Speaker
Yeah, there is, but he's been informed. One of the starters is your captain, because he's the captain to them too. So it's like, okay, that cuts your opportunities down by one. Right. Yeah. I mean, you're going to pick him. Obviously, Sam Kane's definitely a shoo-in. There's no way. You don't call a guy, you don't name a guy the All Blacks captain and not pick him up. It's just not how it goes. So yeah, he'll be in this spot for sure.
01:00:42
Speaker
Let's do let's do some pick them things Dead draw for for you and I last week Both we both picked the same and went to and to who knew we got both New Zealand game games wrong. I think
01:00:56
Speaker
Okay, yeah, likely. Yeah, we did. Yeah, makes sense because we both tried to pick with our brains against the hurricanes and that worked out to my benefit at least in that aspect. And then I definitely thought the Chiefs were going to be able to win that, but just not to be. All right. Well, procedures and hurricanes, Super Bowl, we got Taroura for this week. I'm going to continue to try and prick with my brain. You know, if Lamape plays the way he did this past week, they have a shot.
01:01:26
Speaker
But they need everybody else to play like low map people. And the one thing I will say is the hurricanes have small issues closing out games and they make them kind of squeaky by the time. Obviously they did a good job of finishing this one off with a try. But that said, Crusaders are very good in that last 20 minutes of the game and that is not the hurricane 40. So I'm going to go ahead and pick the guys in red and go with the Crusaders, especially at home.
01:01:53
Speaker
Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to do that as well. Uh, I think the crusaders are, uh, they're a fucking machine and, and, and they're getting nothing wrong. And the hurricane, you know, every other team is getting something wrong. So yeah, hurricane has a few things wrong. I promise. Yeah. And it's not, yeah, it's just, you have to be perfect to beat the crusaders the way they're playing right now. Correct. And there's no other perfect team in that, that country or really the world right now. So not to their level. Very few, very few. Yeah.
01:02:23
Speaker
Over to Eden Park Blues and the Chiefs is this is this three on the trot for the Blues or This is more misery for the Chiefs. Oh Blues are gonna blow them out. Okay, so I think it's gonna be a little bit the Blues are gonna be a little bit salty about you know And I think at this point that the Chiefs mindset I don't know what to do that seeing the players that distraught after the match There's a
01:02:49
Speaker
That to me just shows their lack of confidence. They don't know how they, they had no idea how they lost that game, even though they should because- There's a lot of people that don't know that answer right now too. That's okay. But it's like, I just don't, I don't see them putting it together for this week. They can be mad all they want, but it's one of these like, there's teams that undergo something like that.
01:03:18
Speaker
And they just get refocused. They're like, all right, fuck that. That shit's never happening again. And then there's teams that are like, they're just angry about it and they're gonna come out. Yeah, the Blues are in for a really troublesome first 20 minutes of this match.
01:03:35
Speaker
So it's like if they can weather that, and even if they can't, shit, the first 20 minutes of this past match were- Was really good, and the Highlanders still found a way. Yeah, it was 24, nothing, if 21 minutes. So obviously it doesn't really matter. The Chiefs will give it right back. So yeah, I just don't think they have the,
01:03:55
Speaker
I don't think they have the defensive structure right now to do it. They, they, they fallen into those old, old habits of just giving up gaps. Yeah. And you gotta believe that, um,
01:04:06
Speaker
That's the two two is going to be back for this match unless he's heard a little bit. So I would say so too. You'll see so too too. And he'll be back with the benches. Um, let's, let's hop over the sea. Um, super rugby, you were tossing rebels, um, rebels after a week off or toss coming off a really heartbreaking loss to the Brumbies. Um, I'm going to go with the guys that are feeling pretty fresh and they, they needed this teams on the road constantly right now because they're obviously not allowed back to Victoria while they're doing this. Um,
01:04:36
Speaker
Um, so I'm going to go with the, I'm going to go with the rebels. Hopefully, hopefully some of these guys were able to get some of their family out of Victoria over the last couple of weeks. So they could maybe at least have that element of, um, of, of being home. Uh, so we'll see, but I'm going to go with the, I'm going to go with the rebels. Um, if I, if I had to pick a team in Australia, they would be my team. And, uh, I'm, I'm going to go with the toss in this one.
01:05:02
Speaker
That's never failed for you. Right. Uh, because I'm really only going with them because you went with the rebels and I want to create some sort of separation. You're trying to, you're trying to catch up. Yeah. Um, cause yeah, I think I know how we're both picking the next match and this is more of a, I don't know either way who, you know, there's, there's, there's pluses, minuses both ways. So I'm just going to go with the other team that you didn't pick.
01:05:31
Speaker
Fair enough. That's not always a bad strategy. So we'll say that. All right. Um, over to, Hey, we're going to have Ruby in the Western part of Australia. Here we go. Force hosting. Is this one only going to be a 70 minute match? I don't know. Maybe we can see if that'll stipulate. Um, it will go to 75 just as a, you know, happy medium. It won't matter. Brumby's are going to take this one. Unfortunately, I know that, I know the force will probably put in another good shift, but they certainly will. This Brumby's team is too damn good.
01:06:02
Speaker
they're too good and the, uh, yeah. And that, uh, that the force team is just not, they're not ready yet. Nope. No, they're not. No, they're not.
01:06:17
Speaker
Oh man, okay, so we could have a bit of a gap for me or we could be all tied back up again, who knows? But until then, but yeah, so thanks a lot for coming along guys. If you can't tell Ben and I have a lot of fun with this, I hope you guys at least have one laugh or two at our expense. And- I did not have fun watching that Chiefs match. We know this is not news.
01:06:45
Speaker
Somebody said, Ben, some present, please. Good God. I feel terrible for your wife. Good luck. God lover. I stayed in the back room for a good hour or so after that. Smart decision on that one.
01:07:05
Speaker
decision on that one. Can't say that's the worst decision you've ever made. I was supposed to watch the yeah, I was gonna watch the the Taz Brumbies match right after that. And I was like, nope, fuck this. I'm out. I'm done. I'm not watching this shit anymore. I'm gonna go drink eight beers. I'll have eight beer. Oh, man. Okay, so.
01:07:30
Speaker
Thank you so much for riding along with us and having a laugh and listening to us pissing around now and again. We'll be back next week. Fancy Rugby Podcast at gmail.com if you need any, if you want any questions answered or just want to just have an idea for the podcast, whatever it is. We appreciate that. Tweet at Ben or I on Twitter. Find us on your podcast apps, rate us, review us, all that good shit. Until next week, we will talk to you guys. Ben, have a good one everybody. Cheers.
01:08:00
Speaker
Cheers.