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Season 5- Episode 11- Shut Up and Run (Rugby World Cup Semi-Finals & Premiership Round 9)
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Oh what a doozy we have for you! On this episode from your favorite American rugby boneheads, first a special invite to a particular person that has many of the answers we all want. Then we dive into the Rugby World Cup semis and Semi-Final worthy they were as both were pushed to their limits. Then, it's time to dive in to the first full week of Autumn Internationals including a couple of coaches that just can't seem to keep themselves out of trouble, one way or another, and a team that's just simply lost its way. We wrap it up with a quick jaunt around the Premiership and a ton more in between. Get something cold to drink, kick back and enjoy some rambling with us on TFRY!
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Introduction and Banter
00:00:02
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It is. The Fantasy Robias. My name is Jared Dyke. I wanted to say it's stupid and let's move on, but then you kept going. I'm Ben Glauser. I don't like any way anybody gambled that. Collusion. Collusion.
Rugby Weekend Highlights
00:00:27
Speaker
Hey, everybody. Welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Inc. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauser. Let's roll, baby. We got lots to cover.
00:00:36
Speaker
Yeah, a little fair bit of rugby this weekend, huh? Zero rugby happening and zero of it was good. Actually, that's good. Yeah, we'll get to that. That's my problem was because of all the international so much of the rugby that we watched was not good at all. Well, it depends on which one you're looking at. Problematic. Exactly. I agree. We'll get to that. First things first. I'm out of habit of this. Yeah.
00:01:05
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We got drinking practice now. I need it. Yeah.
Community Engagement and Values
00:01:10
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And the lightweight these days. So share us with your friends on your favorite podcast app. Download rate review all that good stuff. I got a tiny shadow here. About 60 pound shadow here. Oh, um,
00:01:30
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He daylight savings through him off. He thinks it's food time. Yeah. Everybody's off here. He still thinks it's food time. Grab our good friend, George, the fancy where we get your coffee. We've got automation series going on with fancy. We've got FRD prem and we know that challenge that that presents and we'll have champions got FRD as well soon. So.
00:01:57
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He's going to be a busy boy, so make sure you support him via a coffee slash beer and he'll appreciate it very much so.
00:02:05
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There is no discrimination on our podcast, nor should there be in life going sports.
Bruins Controversy and Second Chances
00:02:09
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Uh, we had, we, when you agree, when you can get the world to agree with NHL commissioner, Gary Bettman, you know, you messed up and it was our old team here in Boston that messed up royally for those who, those who are unfamiliar. It is now tradition. It's custom.
00:02:30
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at the, when the Stanley Cup was awarded, Gary Bettman comes out to award it. It's now customary to boo him at this occasion. I can't remember when it started, but everybody hates him, so it kind of became a thing, so everybody boos. Now he kind of leans into it, but anyway. Austin ruins.
00:02:52
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Dumbasses that they are are signed this this guy who's troublesome. He has a incredibly racist and abusive history And It's not generally a not a well-liked individual, but he's apparently a talented hockey player
00:03:08
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Bruin said, oh, yeah, we'll pick him up. Like, well, apparently nobody thinking nobody was looking or something or nobody was paying attention. They send those sheets around, bro. Right. And the like everybody hated it like that. They like I was I happened to be driving in to in the city to to go to a rugby match.
00:03:27
Speaker
and I threw on the sports talk and it was like all talking about this guy and about how bad an idea well how terrible it was and Batman had to come out and be like he's not eligible to play in the NHL and the Bruins like oh I guess we can stash him in the AHL the AHL comes out with this statement saying if they're banned from the NHL they can't play with us like that's been a long-standing thing yeah and and Batman's like hey he's ineligible he cannot play in the league and so and the other Bruins players came out and were like he will not play with us
00:03:57
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Yeah, I think it was Bergeron that was the most vocal about it, which is good because they're captains. Right. And so just good on everybody else but the Bruins front office for for like this is this is what should happen. You know, like, yes, people deserve second chances and all that. But there's been a lot of just a crying apology. And that's what's acceptable. And that's not it. That's not it. That's not enough. And he hasn't even done that. So
00:04:28
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Yeah, it's problematic. It's super. Yeah, I am for second chances. Excuse me. I'm I'm for natural consequences of your actions and the ripple effect that I caused, but I'm not for outright cancel culture. I'm not that stupid. But so when you show remorse, true remorse, and you're actually, you know,
00:04:50
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feel bad about what you did for what you did, not because you got caught, but because of what you did. And yes, he did it years ago and he was a young, dumb kid, but he really hasn't shown a lot of education and maturity about it. And he was, and it was really bad and I'm not going to describe what it was, but I read what it was. It was pretty gross. And just the, and I mean that in so many ways of the term.
00:05:14
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But if you can show that you're doing the work and you're trying to get better and you're trying to not be this piece of garbage, I'm into that. Second chance deserved. That is not this kid. So he's got a ton of work to do. Right. And he hasn't done any of it. And everybody started acknowledging that. But just you have to think.
00:05:39
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Yeah, I understand there's still that old school mentality and a lot of people in positions of influence, especially in team ownership and leadership, but that shit doesn't fly anymore. No, that ain't going to work. Especially with this generation of players where culture matters just as much as any other part of the team.
00:06:05
Speaker
No, we want good people that we want to be like, we want to have fun with and, and we want to play hockey or, you know, or whatever sport it is that like that needs to be inclusive. And if having one person means that other people are excluded, that's not how it works. That's not, no, that's not how it works. So how it works. I've had to deal with that myself in a couple in the last couple of years with, uh, the team, I coach it's just the one player is not worth it. Simple as that.
00:06:35
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All right, way more fun news. We have our Patreon out there, of course. Sheet number two will come out this week because I'm going to tag team with Ben to make sure that this thing happens. So Ben's trying to swim on his own over here. There will be, obviously there'll be rankings. There'll be, the blog is up, the boom bust. Again, thanks for being patient. Appreciate that.
Patreon Updates and Rugby Schedule Issues
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I will.
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I've no longer got a completely screwed up schedule for at least a few months. So I can, so I can get a rhythm of it now. So there'll be, there'll be that rankings, like I said, and yeah, we'll start finding, I'm going to start digging out some old content that we can maybe throw up there that didn't make certain pods. Exactly. Yeah. We'll, we'll fill that out there for some fun bonus stuff as well. Let's
00:07:26
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We got a small, we have some, some small things to take care of. So I was just looking at the prem schedule this, uh, this morning and they've, they've already, they've confirmed around 14, they've confirmed round 14, which is supposed to be the second half of the season, which is supposed to be the half they're supposedly fixing. And after a whole lot of nothing, you know,
00:07:53
Speaker
There's five matches in round 13 though. There is. And that's cause it would be wasp and Worcester are playing each other. Okay. That's what that was. Okay. That makes sense. That's how that worked. So it worked. I think it worked out okay in that, in that instance, right? But they didn't change. Yeah. It doesn't look like, yeah. This is the one team I'm buying. And there's the five, there's the five matches that would already be there anyway.
00:08:21
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So it's pretty poor. It's pretty poor. And I invite Paul Morgan to come on here and we'll get George on and people want answers. And you say it's not a, it's a complex thing. Here's your platform right here. We'll give you one. We, you know, we, we're not, we don't want to, we don't want to be a complete hindrance of things. But if you say, well, it's really complex and it's not as easy to put out in a tweet.
00:08:52
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Here's your place right here. You can do it. We will happily have you. We'll arrange a time so you can do it. So it's not, you know, a godly hour for you. And we'll make this happen even if we record the segment and then we attach it to another pod. We'll go through whatever steps you need to go through in order to get you here. Come on here. Let's talk about these complicated issues because I'm tired of the sitting on your hands and doing nothing. Cause that is just absolute bullshit. Plain and simple.
00:09:22
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It's yeah, it's not good for the sport and. It's it's really not good for the Prem like to have. You know what, who's not playing this weekend like Harlequin's are on a second by, because they were supposedly on a natural by last week, I think, and then now you know they're missing a game. Finally, Lester are finally playing again this week after how many weeks off like many. I'm you know, I'm glad that a lot of the teams are scheduling.
00:09:49
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like friendlies so that they can stay in shape and whatnot. But it's like. I guarantee you as a club would rather have a league game all day. Right. Clubs would rather have those be league games all day. And as as I was watching The Bath Newcastle game, our our friend Sam pointed out that Newcastle has a home game. In March, and that'll be their last one until the next season.
00:10:14
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Like the end of March, that would, because their last two home games were supposed to be Worcester and Ross. So that is not good. And you talk about wanting to support clubs, that's going to kill them. That is a potential to kill them because they have to go without gate, without concessions for a long freaking time.
00:10:38
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You know, and yeah, you can call in other clubs, but that's not going to be the same ever. Right. You certainly can't charge the same price. You know, I don't know how you justify that. So other than on the off chance, they get a home, you know, a knockout in the challenge cup. Excuse me. Yeah. They're without, they're without a home game for, from March until the beginning of next year, which will be end of September beginning of October because of the World Cup.
00:11:07
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won't even be that early. So it's, it's fuck. It needs to be addressed. And I want everybody wants answers. We're not the only ones. And right now there's a whole, whole lot of silence with a, without a whole lot of answers. And that's, you know, you want to talk about infuriating fans that will do it right there. And mooks like you and I are forced to fill in the gaps because we don't have anything. Nobody's telling us shit.
00:11:35
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Right. What do you want us to do? So.
Women's Rugby and World Cup Excitement
00:11:40
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Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. All right. Let's go. Let's go to something way more fun. Basically, the good rugby of the weekend. Yeah. Canada is unfair to some teams, but let's. Yeah, this was the certainly the two best matches. Yeah. And so. Just.
00:12:08
Speaker
Remind me again why women's sports are inferior because they're not. They're not. I mean, this was fantastic. This was semi-final worthy. This was semi-final worthy. Both were, but we'll start with this one, obviously. I mean, there were, there was almost final worthy to be perfectly blunt. This was, this was a final. Oh, um, it was a great representation of the sport. You had the David versus Goliath.
00:12:34
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fight where David almost took down Goliath. It was not. England were pushed to the limit. There was a really interesting dynamic in the after the interviews after the matches or match, but just what a performance by both teams.
00:12:54
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Yes, especially Canada like it's all that's That's what sucks. They they were the better team on the day. But like England just had the talent. We're like, yeah, we're just gonna oh I had me down with her magical healing powers. Oh That is it that was a huge play too. That's a that's a that's a 10 12 points wing easy. Yep it's that is a huge one and I
00:13:22
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I mean, obviously coast to coast and the magic that it was, I was like, holy shit, they're going to take us the whole way, aren't they? And just. It was amazing. It was absolutely fantastic. And I, man.
00:13:37
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Fuck, I wish I was Canadian because I'd be really proud of this team. I mean, as a North American, I guess I am, but damn, like that is it. Like, Jaron Paquin is the seven that nobody knew about coming into this tournament, other than maybe some of us in North America. Yeah. And that is about it. But.
00:13:55
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We found out about them. We found out about Pelletia. We found out about everybody. I hope at this point, everybody knows Sophie DeGutey at this point. Tootosie, Demersha, like the center pairing, Corrigan and Caljubee is just magnificent. Paige Barrie's is great.
00:14:11
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Yeah, it was it was a fantastic one. The book boom set up her own tribe, basically, in a lot of ways. She did. She did. She had a good run, got them on the front foot, and then just was the finisher, too. I remember. I remember Jeff, too. Oh, yeah. I love. I love to hear the name. It takes you back to that. Yeah, I like. Oh, I know who that is. Yeah. Is it related?
00:14:41
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Uh, it's not exactly a common name, but you know, they could be like father and daughter, I think. Oh, really? I was thinking like, you know, uncle or something like that, but could be, yeah. Yeah. Uh, maybe, yeah, maybe uncle, maybe, maybe that's it.
00:14:58
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Yeah, it's I think it's an uncle. It is. That's it. There we go. Got it right. There's some older generation. Yeah, exactly. But there is a, you know, indirect lineage there. And yes, she's great. Talented, talented family, just the same. Right. Yeah, it was it was awesome to watch. And, you know, that that is
00:15:18
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The and obviously the interview afterwards from so particular you like imagine what would happen to the other resources like shit I mean at this point we know that England have just basically out resourced most teams to this point and they still got pushed by
00:15:33
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this Canadian team to, to the limit, to the limit. And it was, it was absolutely amazing. And, um, certainly hope. I do hope that Helena Roland is okay. That was a little, a little nasty. I was like, Oh, that's not going to be a good one. Is it? No, it wasn't good. Not good at all. Um, his, did the goodie come off the field at all during the World Cup?
00:16:02
Speaker
I'm not certain. I wish I'm not convinced she is. She has. She's she started every match at the very least. Sure. That's for sure. Yeah. Fantastic. And that was this was really her like if you if you didn't know about her before, which again, you should. But if you didn't like you do now, you do now and you better you better come away with remembering it because she was good.
00:16:28
Speaker
And she's going to be around for a long freaking time. She is. She's super young. She's 23. Yeah. She's 23. She won't be 24 till June. And like, yeah, she'll have many more chances at this. And it wouldn't surprise me if she won one.
00:16:44
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I, I agree. I agree. I think she'll win one. Not currently with any of the premier 15 teams either. She was with series for a spell. Um, yeah, she'll get it. She'll get a, she'll get a team now. You bet your ass you will. You bet your ass she will. So it'll be, so it's England into the finals. So we all the crop there. She's the, she is the reigning role player of the year. Yes.
00:17:10
Speaker
Uh, sounds right. Yeah. Uh, I mean, they've shoved her into the second row to me. I'm proud. It's Matthew's. I was like, yeah, okay. That's that, that, that, that works. Yeah. That'll, that'll do. And you know, it's, it's fun. Like we have Emily to Tossi and then we have the, I think the best hooker at this world cup so far, Amy cocaine, and they were definitely two of the, I don't know if there's any better two other than those two right now.
00:17:40
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going into the, the semi-finals. So really interesting. It's so fun to watch these interesting match-ups like this and just to dig into them a little bit more. And I, I really enjoyed this. So it'd be sad. It's over next week. I know this is an amazing to watch and they've, they've put on such a show. So I think, I think this women's world cup is going to be much more entertaining and on the bounce than the, uh, than the men's will be. Hmm.
00:18:10
Speaker
certainly given what we're looking at this weekend, which was, you know, some good, some bad. Yes. I know. Right. I'm good. More. Well, we have we have their opponent and yeah, it's New Zealand and it was only by just a little bit in kind of a little bit. We can buy. Yeah.
00:18:33
Speaker
I think, I think the two, two of the best players, if not two, the two best players for France stood up big time in this match and gave them the punches chance that they had Menage and Bernier, obviously they both go on the scoreboard, but did so much more than that. I, you know, as of right now, Gabriel,
00:18:50
Speaker
Bernier is my 12 of this tournament. I don't know. I don't know if there's another one that you could really put in there. Uh, that's done more than her. And she is a lot of fun to watch on top of it all. And she's been doing the interviews too, which is, which is one day, always fun to hear. Um, but, but the Kiwis are not to be denied, not to be denied. Uh,
00:19:16
Speaker
Stop me if you heard this before. Ruby Tewey gets absolutely smashed and then she gets up and she gives the middle finger to everyone.
00:19:25
Speaker
Yeah, I've heard that one before. I think we talked about that last week. So yeah, she did. Yeah. And I don't know if it was to call it a tip wasn't necessarily a tip, but I agree with the idea of it is on the tablet to have some sort of element of safety to bring the player to deck without them smashing into the earth. So I'm okay. I think they end up coming away with penalty only, which was perfect. I was like, Yeah, that's good.
00:19:50
Speaker
But yeah, for two we felt that that was one of those ones where you're like, okay, I need a minute to catch my breath. Because the air just gets blasted out of you. It's the worst. I hate that. But then she got up and she was able to fall. Because there's that moment of panic when it first happens. Because yeah, the air just shoots out at you and you feel like you're suffocating.
00:20:14
Speaker
But it's like, it's the briefest of moments. And then after that, you're like, no, I'm fine. I just got the wind knocked out of me. But like, yeah, you wonder what the hell happened to you. You just sit there like a dumbass. You're like, all right, come on. Let me breathe again. Like, yeah, please no.
00:20:32
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Yeah. But then, yeah, you get angry and go score tries. Like, absolutely. If you're Ruby. Yeah. Um, we talked about, I talked about bringing you on the other side for 12. And as far as open play goes, I'm not sure there's a better 10 than demand right now.
00:20:51
Speaker
I awful off the table. That'll be the QB's downfall potentially is awful off the table. They don't have anybody that's been super consistent. I think that's Wayne Smith's bugaboo right now. I'm sure he's trying to solve that as we speak. Yeah. But as far as open play goes, I'm not sure there's been and better tendon really demand like I I've watched her and she doesn't she does so much ball in hand on defense.
00:21:18
Speaker
takes, you know, the show and go. She's she's keeping her game well mixed, which is what makes a really good ten really hard to fucking defend. So I give her a ton of credit. And if she can do that, I think she'll be OK in making up for, you know, whatever she says. Right. Because if she's if she's adding like a try or two a game by yourself just with, you know, her play around the pitch, that that's that'll make up for the boot. Yeah.
00:21:48
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I totally agree. But then again, somebody needs to step up with and get a boot on them because that's, come on, best team in the world. Yeah. You're going to need it. If it's not, then find someone else and that's okay. It doesn't have to be, you know? Scary kicks for England. It's fine. Exactly. And like, you know, Elliot Daly, a little kick, even, you know, like especially just, you know, it's a specialist or something like that sometimes, like,
00:22:18
Speaker
There's all sorts of. Yeah. Holmes was probably a little bit better before she came off. Yeah. So I'll give her that. And I want to point out one more player on the, um, on the black friends. Myra Rus. She has kept, uh, Joanna Namu on the bench for the majority of this tournament. I think we, I think the first match Nanmoo started and that was it. And that was it. She's been starting since. Joanna Namu is a very good player and Maya Rus is.
00:22:43
Speaker
pretty fucking young, if I'm not mistaken. And she's kept her on the bench this whole time just about. So I think it speaks volumes. And that's why. And I do love Wayne Smith for like, if you're good enough, you're playing. I don't give a shit how old you are. You know, and he's clearly shown that in this tournament as well. She's 21. So, yeah. And Dan has been around the block. So for her to hold her out is pretty special for her.
00:23:11
Speaker
Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. You had freaking, you know, you had Holmes who who set up the two we try to eat and then Portia Woodman, Stacey Fuller, obviously. And then you get to bring on this freaking dynamite little package in laterally like. Mm hmm.
00:23:29
Speaker
God damn it. It's like, oh, that's gonna be possible to stop. It's gonna be a hell of a final. Oh, Jesus. I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm not gonna, I'm not watching it live, so everybody see the fuck off my phone. I'll put it on airplane motor. You can turn, if you do anything to try and spoil this thing for me. I'll watch it in the morning. Thankfully, I don't have to go anywhere. But yeah. Cakes and eggs, baby. It's at like 1.30 AM.
00:23:56
Speaker
Oh, it starts at 10 30. Are you looking at the third place? Oh, no, that's the third place. Yeah. 130. Son of a shit. Yeah. No, honestly, I will. I will skip the the 10 30 and go to bed and yeah. We wake up for the other one. Oh, I'm still going to watch the other one. Oh, yeah, I'll watch it too, but I'll watch the match too.
00:24:18
Speaker
Yeah, so it'll be great. Again, another, I think it'll be just two more advertisements for the game. And that was just fantastic. And yeah, they said it in one of the automations matches, like if you haven't watched it, you're missing out. Go. I was like, yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Speaking of, hold on. Yeah. So we have,
00:24:44
Speaker
New Zealand, Eden Park's already sold out. Nice. Eden Park sold out. And now they're working on more seating and people are banging down doors like, hey, who's got a ticket? Wow. That is great in so many ways.
00:24:59
Speaker
That is, you know, and just, yeah, well done to everybody that's making this thing happen. Cause I am, I'm excited for the sport to hear that stuff. You know what I mean? So that was, that was great stuff. So yep. New Zealand, England. I call, I was calling it the whole time. I was talking to my high school kids. I was like, it's going to be England and New Zealand in the final.
00:25:23
Speaker
Well, here we are. Now let's get to it. A little kegs and eggs on Saturday morning. And can we say also good to France for not francing it?
00:25:37
Speaker
Totally. Like they did not have a how French moment in this tournament. No, it just, you know, you feel for Joanne who missed the, who missed the one, what would have been the winner, but yeah, it's harsh, but that's not a, you know, that's, that's a kicks, kicks go bad. It sucks. Yeah. Yeah. She, they were in Bernier said, and after what she's like, there was so much that went wrong besides that kick. So I'm not going to think about that. It's not, no, you can't. It's just that moment, like,
00:26:05
Speaker
It's easy to point out, obviously. Yeah, yeah. All right. There was more international rugby, I suppose.
00:26:14
Speaker
A little tidy bit. Yeah. Briefly, Italy, Scotland, Samoa Fiji, Italy and Samoa just track me. Run, run, run. You mean some? Italy and Samoa. Yeah. Italy and Samoa was a track. Italy and Samoa, Scotland and Fiji. Yeah. Scotland and Fiji. Yeah. I got all the teams in there. I just mixed them up. Got all the right ones. Right. They're all in the same time window, too. Host the two guests.
00:26:42
Speaker
Italy and Samoa track me, just run, run, run. I'm sure it'll be a lot different this week for both of them, although I think Samoa is playing Uruguay, so we'll see there. They'll probably get the better of them, although we know Uruguay can be a problem. And then Scotland and Fiji. Bit disappointing for Scotland, I will say. Bit disappointing. I know Hastings came off.
00:27:06
Speaker
BG are very close. They're very close. They were talking about the broadcast. There was only a week or so of time for them to get together. It's kind of tough. So I would be very scared of them at the World Cup. I want to ask the question because I don't think it's being asked. And then I know that it's always an uncomfortable question to ask, but we've been talking about them for some time. Is Stewart Hogg still an international quality 15?
00:27:37
Speaker
maybe for Scotland, but his, uh, his replacement could be very much ready to go soon. I would, I would guess. Yeah. Cause it's just, yeah. What I saw out of my, I wasn't pressed up. So no. Um, and that's why he's getting a lot of shit. Apparently I saw that he got, um, you put out a statement about or something like that, that like, cause people are giving him so much shit. Cause he was like kept, you know,
00:28:04
Speaker
tidying up his man bun. It's like, you're messing with your hair more than you're actually playing rugby. And that's not- Just leave it down, bro. Yeah. And he took obviously offense to that and all.
00:28:21
Speaker
He's like, you know, because he also got like dental stuff done like teeth. I did. And I know that I knew that. And so everybody's like, oh, you're so vain. And it's like, no, I like to look nice. That's not a problem. And it isn't. But it's also like, you know, the first thing people are going to say when.
00:28:37
Speaker
It is. And that's that's probably that's not fair to him, though. Right. That's not fair to him. He's always had just a little pretty boy. That's not a problem with that. That's not. No, you know. And I don't say that condescendingly. I mean, it's just, you know, he's a very good looking individual and he likes to present himself and decorate himself. That's just the way he is with the man. You know,
00:29:00
Speaker
It's nothing wrong with it as long as, and it's just your, you know, however you choose to present yourself, whatever, it's always going to be magnified when you start playing bad rugby. Right. Right. Different story, obviously. Yeah. But anyway, I just wanted to put that out there because I think that needs to start being asked in wider circles. Yeah, no, but I don't disagree with that. That itself. No way. Yeah, I agree. Let's go to the principality. First off, the man in the middle.
00:29:28
Speaker
100 tests for Wayne Barnes. Yes. I thought he did a little job. Yes. Still going. Yeah.
00:29:36
Speaker
Well, the more certainly one of the more communicative reps out there, he'll let you know what's going on, which most players do appreciate. And I know people will bitch about it. But listen, I don't know that I'm illegal and I'm going to keep doing it until you tell me I'm illegal. So exactly. And whether or not you agree with what he's saying, he's at least giving you the conditions under which you have to play agreed.
00:29:59
Speaker
So it's like, okay, I might not, you might, I think you're wrong, but you've communicated like, whatever. I'd rather have that than somebody who just makes what I consider to be a bad call. And like, then they're like describing what they think happened that I didn't consider, you know, it didn't seem that way to me. So it's like,
00:30:20
Speaker
uh but at least Wayne Barnes will be like no don't use your hand you know no hands or whatever it's like okay no hands okay okay okay i don't agree with you but i'll release while i tell you a fucking asshole like refs actually don't mind that so much because then it's it's almost playful it's like oh you asshole i thought i had it and it's like you know i mean like okay well at least you did what i said
00:30:42
Speaker
Yeah, I released, damn it. I didn't want to. You can call me an asshole while you're releasing, as long as you're releasing. Oh, man. Anyway, to the game. Aaron Smith heard you. Yeah. Yeah, I think I asked a similar question. Not so much of that, though, but yeah, he was in rare form. Full on flight. Good for him.
00:31:09
Speaker
Mm hmm. And it came down to number one. Wales have something going on with Rio Dyer. Yes, they do. Woo. Another lightning quick kid. Jeez. Right. That's what they needed is another fast wing, right? Yeah, it was for the for the try line. Yeah. Yeah. Good nose for the trial is a good set up set up piece on that one. But in the end. I really felt like they just they didn't go for it.
00:31:38
Speaker
They just tried to keep it close. And although New Zealand are a team that has been struggling, they're happy to just be front runners and stay in front. They don't care. You need to put pressure on them by getting at least time with them, if not in front of them. And they are a team that goes for tries more often than not. And they know when they can and when they can't usually. And they knew they could, they felt like they had tries in them during this game and they were right.
00:32:06
Speaker
Mm hmm. They were. And it just kind of opened up. So over time, it was kind of like the you know, they just got. Yeah, eight tries. Yeah. Whoo. Eight tries. And just a steady dose of them, like every felt like every like 10 minutes or so, there were 10, 18, 10, 18, 33, 46, 53.
00:32:32
Speaker
Sixty five seventy seven eighty two. It's like, yeah, just about. Yeah. Pretty steady, pretty steady as it goes. Ten minutes. You know, give or take. They scored a try. So, um, yeah, it was just like, all right, we fucked around long enough. Let's score a try. Like, yeah. Or they just kept putting them like they were scored tried and put themselves in position to score another one. And then they did a lot. Yeah. The.
00:33:03
Speaker
I mean, overall territory, Wales held overall territory. That's crazy. But yeah, I did notice that. And there wasn't, I mean, if you count already, but there wasn't a lot, there weren't, there weren't many guys, Jordy Barrett was the highest on meters made. Um, nobody cracked a hundred and the forwards were pretty quiet for the most part in terms of meters made sans arty. Uh, although Conchiato near the end there, obviously.
00:33:31
Speaker
But yeah, so I don't know, just never felt like Wales gave themselves a chance, like when the forwards start to...
00:33:39
Speaker
When all the forwards though, start deuce, feel like they can just run rampant. That's the problem. And grand nut, like I said, none of them went over a hundred, but they were all, there were a lot of them up 50 and 50 and above, I think at least three of them, three or four of them, which is two, which is probably too, too many. Honestly, if you want to give yourself a shot against any team, let alone New Zealand, let's see. Yeah. 54. Okay. Okay. I was thinking of popularly he was close 45 still a lot.
00:34:08
Speaker
the comment you sent me I know it was made it was obviously altered but and maybe that's the point that I was thinking of earlier like and we've said it before like
00:34:21
Speaker
Yes, the All Blacks have not been good, but it's not only that they've not been good, they've clearly lost their way in their player selection with picking Syverise, picking Shannon Frizzell in the same team. That was not altered. No, we did that.
00:34:40
Speaker
That was like the BBC Wales or something. No, it was like the Telegraph or something like that. It's one of the, yeah, one of the major, I guess. No, it was serious. No, they actually posted that, allegedly. Oh, my God. That is a riot. Yeah. Well, yeah, back to the point where
00:35:01
Speaker
It isn't just that they're doing poorly. It's that they've also decided to just like throw away all their values on top of it, which makes it worse in a lot of ways. And for me, I'm, you know, I was one that always, you know, I really enjoyed the James Kerr book legacy, which was primarily about the New Zealand All Blacks. And I really enjoyed reading Richie McCaw's book and gave me a lot of inspiration in how I want to run my teams and carry and carry myself. But since then,
00:35:31
Speaker
Yeah, we can probably stop at 2015 when Graham Henry and Wayne Smith walked away. Yeah, they've lost it away. And it's not just that they've been in recent, it's not only because they're playing poorly, they've really just lost a lot of what used to make them them. And it's for me as a person that grew up, just the only thing, the first thing I knew about rugby was the All Blacks.
00:35:57
Speaker
It was a team to just full of wonder and to behold. And you're just like, ooh, the all blacks, the Hawke, everything. And now it's it's not that anymore. And no, I don't even know. I don't know if kids do that nowadays, either. Maybe over here. But still, it's just it is in a lot of ways. My inner child is disappointed at the very least. So yeah.
00:36:25
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's hurtful in a lot of ways, but it also was like you got to call it as it is. And yes, they've they've lost a lot, including their morals and obviously their their dominance that they once had. So pretty poor in a lot of ways. So fucking poor. Mm hmm. Like, yeah, it.
00:36:48
Speaker
It's one of those like, it's not worth the state of the whole thing was it's not worth it to win like that. And now it's like, Oh no, it's worth it to lose like that. That's, that's. Yeah, really a punch in the face on that one. Really for a lot of reasons, Ireland, South Africa.
00:37:07
Speaker
Just tight as tight can be. Yeah, like that's playing to exactly what these teams like. You know, they wanted to play it close. We've seen better from Ireland recently. Yeah, we have. I will say we have. But I think they kind of decided they were going to go to a dark place to win this.
00:37:25
Speaker
Well, when they picked Murray at nine, that was my initial thought. Yeah. I was just like, oh, they are prepared to go toe to toe and play South Africa's way. Because it kicked up a notch when when they made that switch. So when they when they. Yeah, and they pulled Murray like. Yeah, you know, he was definitely in trouble. Yeah, he was, too. He needed to come out. No, no, no question about it.
00:37:54
Speaker
But what was it? Jameson Gibson Park was like a huge spark. As you'd expect from Jameson Gibson Park. Right. McCloskey got thrown in there kind of late. Henshaw dropped a little late, although it sounds like he knew it was going to happen. And then he had to come off because he was banged up and Jimmy O'Brien comes on.
00:38:18
Speaker
Yeah, Furlong came up and so to credit Ireland, they did all this with some serious adversity that faced them in the moment and also right up leading up to kick off. So got to give them a little bit of credit in that sense and section was probably carrying something for the majority of the match as well and didn't really didn't really rest until the last five minutes or so. Yeah.
00:38:41
Speaker
It's amazing to me that, um, oh no, Manny came off with 12 minutes left, but I think he came off on kind of, yeah, I know they, that was a tactical sub to bring Conan on. Um, but it's amazing that, um, like if all the people who are in that, you know, who just get their, you know, further face into the shit. He's the one who like actually just walked away, smiling and happy. It's crazy. You knew it. This is not the place to do it. I need to just keep going. Just keep moving.
00:39:14
Speaker
I'm obviously disappointed in the Springboks reaction to this, though, once again. Because I noticed that Razzie didn't include the... Oh, there's Ruby getting smashed. Oh, that was... Yeah. So... No, like...
00:39:43
Speaker
you know, then Razzie puts it together as video again and is doing all this shit. Like, come on, man. Stop. Stop it. You've gotten yourself in trouble once already, dude. I like now that the reaction is, oh, are we, you know, I'm glad that he's highlighting that uncalled was it the neck roll? Oh, let's see it did. Yeah. It's like, oh, that must be what he's what he's trying to highlight here. And it's like, you know, it's not. But again, you're nothing around that. The Colby and who was it?
00:40:12
Speaker
Um, that should have been, to my mind, like, you know, if we were being letter of the law ish, a yellow for PSD T and red for Colby or at least a yellow for like at least a yellow for both yellow for each. Yeah, probably, because like pissed he kind of drilled them into the like he kind of
00:40:34
Speaker
drove him like that would be like in an NFL they would they would flag that for roughing the passer kind of thing like driving a guy to the ground driving into the ground yep yeah even if he's just laying on his back or something like that that would be a call and yet he's doing it with the guy head down
00:40:51
Speaker
uncalled for but of course razzie's gonna ignore that and try to whine about some other bullshit like no and even the um the the one forward pass that they're talking about that in the lead up to the um the hands and try hands to try no the other one um
00:41:07
Speaker
Oh, the vendor flare. Yeah, the vendor flare try. There was a penalty in between. So it's like you can't. It's not like it was. Oh, this was in the phases leading up to it. It wasn't. It was it was like in the phases leading up to a penalty, which led to the trip. So no, that's not the penalty. Let me be talking about the same segment of play. So yeah. To me and for me.
00:41:30
Speaker
Look at yourself and the way, you know, springbacks are very famous for doing a 6-2 split at this point. You didn't put a recognized goal kicker on your team besides Villam's stuff. And that's what cost you. He's possibly learned his lesson because Mani Leibach's on the bench this week. So potentially to resolve that potential issue just the same.
00:41:53
Speaker
Like you, you, you went with your hard headed style and had to, had to do with your thing. And, you know, Damien Billimson doesn't have a great record of goal kicking. So you have to know that and to go in there and just say, fuck it anyway, kind of your fault.
00:42:07
Speaker
So maybe just look inwards a little bit to start with, and then we can worry about outward. And we all criticize referees, but at the same time, 90% of us recognize that at the end of the day, you lost the match somewhere else besides this one call. Exactly. The refereeing was fine in this match. It was great.
00:42:27
Speaker
was it like the best refereeing I've ever seen? No. Hell no. But it was still, it was still decent. It was confident. It was, you know, nothing that I really saw that I was like, Oh, that's horrible. It's no, I didn't jump out of my seat at anything either. It happens in some cases. And yeah, sometimes like you get neck rolled, which causes your legs to fling out and you kick the ball accidentally because you're getting because you're really worried about what's going on with your neck and less so about what's going on with your foot. Right.
00:42:53
Speaker
I mean, so right in the referee saw, you know, didn't see anything happening either way. So let's play on play on. Right. Whatever happened to play to the whistle. Yeah, we saw that we saw that in the NFL this week, too. Somebody thought like the runner was out.
00:43:11
Speaker
And stopped, just stopped instead of like giving him a little shove to make sure he was out. And the red guy ran for a touchdown plate of the whistle ball gets kicked out. Sometimes it happens. Sometimes the referee can't tell which foot kicked it out. You know, sometimes when you see a guy driving forward, you think hit the back of, you know, he healed it out. Right. So unless you absolutely see it, which is rare.
00:43:34
Speaker
It's hard to call and something, you know, and then not an obvious case like that where the guy's falling backwards. Like that's no. Yeah. Let's go to. He better score more than 16 points. Yeah, let's start there. Yeah. We score more than 16 points. You can bitch about something. Yeah, usually a good good place to start as well. Let's go to France. I have not seen this match either. Lebleu and Australia and we had a we had a classic.
00:44:03
Speaker
It was not the typical performance we expected that friend. So I'll give Australia credit. They made life difficult on this team. No question about it. But they're, this is another, this is an issue that I had with this particular player a few years ago, Bernard Foley. And I still don't know if he's going to do anything special for this team.
00:44:32
Speaker
to get them over into that next realm and understand they're thin at 10 right now. But I still don't love it. I still don't love it. No, he's not that he's not that guy. He's the guy who can he start a World Cup match for you? Yes. Like, can he eat minutes against like a second tier team and you can win? Yes. Are you going to play him in a knockout round and expect it to go well for you? No, you shouldn't.
00:45:00
Speaker
No. And, and actually, you know, maybe, maybe they're using this as that, that kind of learning experience where this, they get that, you know, and that, yeah, they're, they're having some struggles finding a 10 at the moment, Australia. Um, but maybe that's why they trotted him out to be like, okay, let's see what he can do against France in France and see how France would play. Right. Because they've got to, you know, ultimately this might be, you know, good for them. And if they have, if they,
00:45:29
Speaker
You know end up playing in the World Cup. They've seen each other and but France haven't seen Australia at their best if thoroughly is the 10 No, and this was not France. They're not nine. I don't think no I know that's nine, you know, so I agree right that that alone makes for a big difference and the fact that Australia is still almost one Yeah, like I said, this was this was a
00:45:55
Speaker
So to the upside of all of mostly Southern Hemisphere teams, they've been together for quite a bit. Yes, they had a small lull between the rugby championship and now, but they've been together more recently. Australia's also had another week besides this because they played Scotland last week.
00:46:10
Speaker
Right. So they've they've had a bit of a tune up as well. So they're there are probably a step in front of where France was and France still found a way to get this over the line. Damien Penno is so bloody good. Like just something out of nothing, something out of absolutely nothing. And I was like, OK, well, that is very that is very French like that is very this French team right now. That's what it is. Just something out of nothing.
00:46:39
Speaker
what, you know, just throw caution to the wind a little bit and see what happens. And it worked in for France. They've, they've got into Mac who's coming off injury. So he's not a hundred percent. They have some other guys that are missing at this point. They won't have Jomineh. There's still, there's still a lot for them to just get going in a little, in a lot of ways. Luckily for them, they have Shelley bear to
00:47:05
Speaker
fill in when, when Intimac was gassed. And they lost, they lost Pico kind of early too, which was less than awesome. So there's, there's good things to take out of this for Australia. He played 66. Pico played 66. So yeah, I think he came off eventually worse. And yeah. Yeah. I thought he would eventually finished. Um,
00:47:33
Speaker
Yeah. And there's, this is, you know, that might be the best back row that they could put together, which is good, but they haven't played together for a hot minute. They went six, two off the bench as well, which kind of made me scratch my head a little bit. I was like, okay, we're going to go with that Ramos was awesome off the tee though. So they didn't have, they didn't have Melvin who, no problem. Yeah.
00:47:59
Speaker
And, you know, they I'll try to turn in some fucking wonderful tries. The spaghetti jar and the Campbell try were both awesome. And for Katie was was end to end. Again, Tom Wright was the one that was the spark plug for it. So I give I'll show you credit for if that's the type of stuff they want to do. Bernard Foley is not going to be the guy to play tend to do that for them more often than not, though. That's the thing. Maybe that's what I was kind of driving up before. Yeah. And and that's the stuff we love to see. And
00:48:28
Speaker
To me, you got to be able to take the ball to the line now and again as a 10. And I'm not sure if Foley's doing that very much. So that's my primary issue with Bernard Foley as the 10. Right. I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure he has that kind of, he's good distributor, but he doesn't have that running game to him, certainly. Nope. Nope. Agreed. And then,
00:48:59
Speaker
to Twickenham on Sunday. God, this one sucked.
00:49:07
Speaker
Like, go on, Pumas, go on. I'm all about what they did in this match. Honestly, fuck Jones. Fuck Jones, fuck England. Sorry, English, England fans, I don't care. Like, I'm sorry, but I'm not sorry. Fix your shit, that's not my fault. Pumas, fuck yeah, love it. I think there's something that, number one, I am so glad that Dowie Morris does not do Premiership games weekly.
00:49:33
Speaker
Yeah, as bad as we bitch about some of the guys in there, he is 10 times worse. And I would gladly punt him if I ever met him. But so to but to the point, like,
00:49:47
Speaker
They want to say, oh, well, England had all the territory they're done. I think they've forgotten that Argentina will happily just tackle their faces off until England hurt because that is what they, I'm pretty sure that's what they did against, for both their wins in the rugby championship, at least it against New Zealand for sure.
00:50:05
Speaker
Yeah, they're happy to just sit there like just like smash you over and over and over again. This this team is full of guys that don't care. Like they don't care. They don't care that you want to run into them. They don't care that you're trying to smash into them. They will happily send you back from where you came from and just smile doing it. And not only that, but then they have just absolute killers on there in their back three and a 10. Fuck.
00:50:32
Speaker
Yeah, it was Santi. Santi Carreras. That is a genius move, having a back three player at 10. Right now it is, yeah. And yeah, he can move the ball, he can run the ball, like he's such a threat.
00:50:46
Speaker
And like, that's the problem with some, you know, a lot of back three players only to pass the ball. So you can't put him at 10. Um, but no, he's, he, he's just good enough to know in, you know, he's, uh, selfless enough to be a great 10 too. So there were eight players on Argentina with.
00:51:07
Speaker
Uh, nine or more tackled, I think. Let me double check that. Make sure I didn't talk to that one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, and eight. Yep. Alemano, um, Montoja, Lavinini, how the hell he's still starting. I don't know. But at least he's productive. Uh, one Martin Gonzales, Kramer, Matera. And then you go to the back line with, um, Delafonte and Maroney as well. Like.
00:51:37
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. No problem. Just smashing into you. Not a ton of misses either, which is, which is kind of the teller teller. Like Delph once they had one miss, I'm told you had one miss grammar had two, but he also made 20. So I'll give him credit. Matera is probably the worst percentage of them all. Cause he only had 11 and he had four misses. Yeah. So they're, they're, they're happy to do what they did, you know, and the freaking Bovelli try was.
00:52:05
Speaker
Superb. It was. Set piece perfection. In a can. That's what that was. And he's faster than anyone you got. Pretty much, yeah. Who out there on England was as fast? Maybe Stuart is as fast? Maybe. I don't know. Yeah.
00:52:34
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not sure. Coke is at that fast. Maybe JBP, if you got the lean on. And how much did that change when he came on too? I'm at a loss in terms of how to explain.
00:52:52
Speaker
They should have been playing somebody not named Ben Young's for a long fucking time because now he's claiming that I need a veteran nine. Well, the reason you don't have a veteran nine is because you kept playing this asshole for the last three years. And now you're stuck without anybody that's got experience besides him and Danny Care, who you hate. So it's like.
00:53:11
Speaker
Yeah i'm out of your grave so shut up and spencer is there like what the fuck you i did everything you asked me to do and i'm still not even getting a look now and i'm and i'm okay with him not being in there right now because they do have a ton of talent in there i'm okay with it too but it's like if you're if you want to you know i don't know i'm still kind of.
00:53:32
Speaker
Like he would have been a guy if you had like, even if just for a series like this, he'd be your veteran scrum half. He could be. And you can start Quirk, Randall. Randall's obviously hurting. I think Quirk is now too. GBP, Alex Mitchell, any one of those guys who he's already sent Alex Mitchell back by the way. Yeah. Cause he doesn't like him either.
00:53:53
Speaker
like, okay, I want a veteran, but I don't like these other veterans, these veterans who like, oh, they run sometimes. Like, that's not what I do, even though Ben, like, that's the that's the thing that I fucking hate about coaches, because Ben Young will go for so many goddamn selfish runs himself.
00:54:08
Speaker
He doesn't have the pace for it anymore. He doesn't have the pace for it anymore, but either way, but it'll still do it. And Eddie's okay with it. It's okay when Ben Young's does it, but it's not okay when Alex Mitchell does it. It's like, what are you talking about? That's what Alex, that's Alex Mitchell's game. That's what makes him great. How about you just incorporate that? You know, like instead of saying, no, we don't do that. You say, okay, well now let's do that too. This is what you're good at. Let's use it. Like I don't understand how a coach can just not use the talent. Right. And say, I don't want that.
00:54:37
Speaker
But that's Eddie. I mean, like, you know, he doesn't want Jack. No, he wants Jack. No one on the team because he doesn't make mistakes, except he also just he stands there and watches the, you know, ball of the thumb up his ass. Well, you mean a ton of mistakes like scooped in school. Like, yeah, pass such a hard pass. And he's not he's not fast anymore. Nope. And so that's the problem. Like when you look at this team, we were you were texting about it before that. Like, who's your attacking player on this team? Who's the guy who's running with the ball? It's it's maybe Billy.
00:55:08
Speaker
And then it's there to absorb tacklers. Right. And then it's Marcus. That's about it. And maybe Colsey. But that's not he's not he's not that great yet. And again, it's still not it's it's a prop. It's cool that he can do it. You can see that you can do that special for what he does with that. But still, that's not what you want to lean on. No, he's not going to go 80 meters for a try. Like who on this team could go 80 meters for a try? You know, it's.
00:55:34
Speaker
Yeah, besides JVP, I don't see anybody else writing. And let's be frank, and fuck, I hate agreeing with Dowie, but he was right on. Ben Young's ain't scoring that try that JVP did. No. Simple as that. And that, that was his game. That was what made Ben Young's good. That was the one attribute that set him up to be a good scrum half. It's gone. His box kicks are crap. His service was clearly shit. Like,
00:56:00
Speaker
And it's not the first time. Like if it was an anomaly and it was like one game, I totally throw it out the window and put it in the bin and be like, all right, whatever. It's not. It happens all the time. So, you know, sorry, England. Enjoy your quarterfinal appearance and get knocked the fuck out. You might get lucky because you to the pool, the brackets might be a little favorable to them, but man, they get beyond the quarterfinal.
00:56:24
Speaker
I'll be amazed. Right. They leave too much to chance. They don't win games. They just hope to not lose them. And it's like, you know, the teams that you're going to go up against are going to be playing to win. And eventually, you know, that attitude will seep over and it forces bad habits and it's not good. Right. And let's let's contrast what he's done with Ben Young's with what Ireland has done with Jameson Gibson Park.
00:56:50
Speaker
We all knew that Conor Murray was one of the best nines in the world after this last World Cup. That was not a mystery. No. But Farrell knew the guy that get him to France in 2023 was not going to be Conor Murray. Could he still be involved? Absolutely. And he probably still will be. He might be. And now they probably will be. And they might even be forced to go another rung down, which is to their benefit as well, because I think Murray's out for this week. So they're going to probably go with Craig Casey. So with those two,
00:57:18
Speaker
you now at least can get some time for them. And there's a graph there as well, just in case I don't think he's as good as Jameson Goodson Park anymore. So that's why he's gone by the wayside. But the whole point being,
00:57:30
Speaker
that he realized what was going to happen in four years and said, all right, I need to get Gibson Park ready and I need to get him into the fold more. Gibson Park's one of the best nines in the world right now. Am I wrong? No, you're not wrong at all. He's quite good. And he plays differently than Conor Murray.
00:57:52
Speaker
That's the other. It's that they have a different style. But Ireland, because they're, you know, versatile, can use both of them in their play. And yeah, maybe they have to change up how they play with them. But they can they can play a winning game with either of them. It'll just be a little bit different and they can adjust like.
00:58:16
Speaker
Yeah, that's why they had that thing. I said it was like plan A. It's like, oh, well, this doesn't work. You tear it. It's the plan. You know, it's funny again. Right. That doesn't like that's one of the things that we harp on constantly is that no matter how you play, if you only have one way to play, eventually someone's going to be able to stop it just by dumb luck, if nothing else. And then what do you got? Yeah, I'm
00:58:40
Speaker
I'm at a loss, you know, and there's, there's people there, there's two schools of thought that where people are just like, well, people are talking to us two sides of their mouths when it comes to Edward. Um, well here, you know, he plays to win. Well, that's not true. No, it's not. Yeah. Well, he only cares about the world cup. That also was not true because he's not building for it by any means whatsoever. Right. And if you play to win the, what does that mean? That means every other game you're not playing, like, and if you're playing to win, you only care about the world cup. Well, then.
00:59:10
Speaker
So you're not really playing to win because you don't care if you lose other games. You don't care if you lose these matches. Like you can't have it both ways. No, no, you certainly can't. There's a two contradictory. It's it's it's yeah. And people and people ask him, including what's his but Fisler was just like.
00:59:29
Speaker
He can't go to the World Cup. I'm like, he has to because you should have fired him after the 2021 Six Nations and fucking didn't. So now you have to stick with it because to change right now is that shit crazy. Oh, but.
00:59:44
Speaker
okay okay so here's my thing is it crazy or is it like the only thing you can do because it's like i mean if it really gets that dire then it really it's like it's obviously that bad it's time to go and be like fuck it we're going balls to the wall we're going bar we're going to the world cup barbarian style and with five coaches
01:00:07
Speaker
We're going to fucking do it up like it's not it's going to be an experience and we're going to try to light it up. And that's your goal. And that's it. And it's like we're not, you know, we'll play some defense, but we intend to put some points up on that scoreboard and just like shit house it.
01:00:25
Speaker
like that housing it all right and you could win that way their talent they have the horses on that side well you know maybe not so much on that side because the selections are poor but they have the talent in that in that pool to do it right i'm not disagreeing like you could put up a fucking awesome 15 or 20 even 23 that could just you know yeah they could just fuck around and win a world cup because they're that talented and they they have that that much skill you know like
01:00:55
Speaker
Yep. You know, you don't have to play a buttoned up like tie down type of game. Have fun. You play you go and like if Marcus Smith is the you know, you're kind of killing his will to live because you're forcing him to do certain things and he's that's not his best attribute is his
01:01:19
Speaker
you know, off the cuff stuff, where you just see something and goes and he has, you know, when he knows how to manage it, because on harlequins, they have guys who can read that and attack with him. Right.
01:01:31
Speaker
Like if you train people that you don't do that, then when at times comes time to do that, they're going to be like, Oh, we weren't supposed to do that. Even though it's like, well, I'm 40 meters up the field. If you would just follow me, we're just going to try. Yeah. Support motherfucker. Right. Just run. But you weren't supposed to do that. Just fucking run. Just run. Shut up and run. Oh man.
01:01:57
Speaker
All right, we don't need to spend much time on this. Let's go to the front. Probably the one match that was worth watching was Northampton and Exeter and only because Northampton were just superb.
01:02:11
Speaker
They were. And Exeter were so shit at what Exeter do. Yeah. So let me just somebody just stick Baxter and Jones in the fucking room and just the two of them can talk about how great they are and how smart they are than the other people. And we can just be done with all this trash rugby. Like, God. Oh, yeah. God, it's because, yeah. And we'll go back to Saturday. Like, um.
01:02:37
Speaker
You can't witness still being picked this whole the whole lineup was just awful. Awful again five locks again, how do you how do you have only five locks at your services, like how do you not have a single real flanker, we moves on the bench. Who was on the bench, we most on the bench. Yeah, they're one of the backup number eight. Didn't want to play him though. No. No, he didn't get it he didn't get in the field at all. Nope, and it's like,
01:03:08
Speaker
I mean, is, is, is just what's a did 13 carries seven meters. Woo.
01:03:18
Speaker
Letting the world up here. Are you fucking kidding me? I mean, at least they were smart enough to give Josh Hodge like he had the most carry. Oh, no, he didn't. Vermeulen had the most carries. He had 15 carries for eight meters. Holy shit. Lighten it up. You look at their volume carriers. Well, first off, so we talked about those two. There's Josh Hodge who had 14 carries for 130 meters because he's fucking good, right? Beat him the ball.
01:03:40
Speaker
And then you have to say that because I have my fancy theme, right? Well, Lewis Pearson, 11 calories, eight yards, and Reuben Van Heer is a ghost. I didn't even notice him. I mean, yeah, I know. I mean, he's saving graces, he scored, but that doesn't matter that much. Right. Yeah, Sir Joseph had 81 meters on nine carries. Nice. And and Wally Woodburn was also in this match, but he played 40 minutes.
01:04:08
Speaker
Yeah. No, he had to come off injured, but, and, and, and Simmons had, um, was it a charge down or intercept, whatever it was. He had that one that went, that, that went the distance that made up for some of the meters, but he's willing to change his game up a little bit, which is great. And I think that's what they, I think that's what any team needs out of their 10 on the other side. Yeah. Like Tommy Freeman, still not required by England. I don't know why. Um,
01:04:37
Speaker
Pretty good. Tom James off the start of the game and Alex Mitchell came up the bench. Not so bad, right? Yeah, that was. Pretty freaking good from this team.
01:04:50
Speaker
Oh, despite all that they were missing, still, they had, you know, they put together a back line. Most people would freaking envy. Oh, it's ridiculous. Dingwall hot slates. Slates came off for him. That's all I got. Exactly. And Ben Smith, you know, and Proctor and reserve, too. Like you like this whole lineup is filled with with killers. Like that's, you know,
01:05:18
Speaker
seven quality starters and three ridiculous reserves. Like certainly starter more than starter worthy. And yeah.
01:05:30
Speaker
And the newbies for Saints are showing up pretty big, too. Yeah, they're starting to play a little better. Yeah, I guess Scott Young and looks like I love those played a lot better the last few weeks. I'll give him credit. I was on I was on his case before I give him credit now. He's really stepped up his game. So kudos to him. Yeah, Scott Young actually was noticeable this match. Right, right. It's like, oh, he is here. OK, he did move.
01:05:59
Speaker
Uh, fuck. All right. We don't need to talk about much else. We'll, we'll hit on the games, but man, we do not need to touch on any of these for much longer sale. Gloucester. That was just a shit show. Just like who game in general.
01:06:13
Speaker
Yeah, sell sale one. Mostly because I think they were at home and Gloucester just never they barely got off the bus. It was a gloomy day. It was a shit day. I don't know where Gloucester went. No, I mean, they scored somehow they scored three tries. I don't like it. It's just one of those. Oh, yeah, that's good. OK. Well, they had somebody that could kick worth a damn. They were in closer. But right.
01:06:38
Speaker
Jesus. Oh, and that was my one, my one thing in my brain was like, tall trees is useless, but his boots actually really good. So why the hell did they not take it away from Lloyd Evans and give it to him? Like, especially after the first one that Evans just went.
01:06:51
Speaker
Mm hmm. Put it in the wrong freaking section. I was like, yeah, dude, that's what like that's one that I can't. Like, what are you doing? Right. Are you a trunk? Yeah. How many sets of posts do you see there? That's the one that the fan comes down at halftime and says, hey, you're going to win ten thousand pounds if you hit this kick. Right. It just shanks way off. That's what that looked like. You know, oh, that was awful. And this is probably the worst game I've seen Charlie Chapman play for a while. So that also did not help in any way, shape or form.
01:07:22
Speaker
That's what it was though. And Ben, Ben Curry was actually kind of stupid good for the, for the time he was on there too. So he was unfortunately had to come off. Yeah. Give him, give him credit and Joe Carpenter continues to just, you know, make everyone forget. So I, I, you know, there are some bright spots for sale in there and less so for the roster. Um, so skills has got to go back to the board on that one. Boston really missed their internationals. It's bad. It was bad. Yeah. Agreed.
01:07:51
Speaker
Another one that was kind of a stinker, Newcastle and Bath, just Ollie Lawrence and Adam Radwin. Anybody else? Anybody else? Hello? Anybody else? Anybody else? No? Okay, cool. Not Ted Hill. Ted Hill. Yeah, no, he was actually, I thought he and Ferguson Warner were both quite good for Bath coming in, the guys from Worcester. Right. Just, but yeah.
01:08:17
Speaker
I think that's like a that's such a cool for for back to have gotten a Ted Hill type. Well, actually, Ted Hill himself. He's young and he certainly wants to be a club guy. And I think he's one of the like he wouldn't I don't think he's one of those who would have left Worcester for anything. And I feel like except well, right. This wasn't there was no you had no choice. You had to know. I think he's going to be a club guy for Bath.
01:08:47
Speaker
Yeah, I think they got a huge gap for them. Yeah, I agree. And they've got they've got so much young talent there that it's just going to that it's that much better. It's just like, oh, hey, like this just fell in our lap, like, you know, for a club that. Has really lacked in things to cheer for. The grenades place right now, and they deserve at least so.
01:09:13
Speaker
Yeah. They're not on the bottom anymore. We don't suck the most hurry. They're within shouting distance of exit or for, and for, for good reason.
Match Analysis and Player Highlights
01:09:22
Speaker
So yeah, they're getting better. It's a little bit chilly. Ben Grant's putting things together down there. I like it. Um, I'm, I'm excited about that. You know, on the other side, Falcons, not so much, not so much. No.
01:09:37
Speaker
Was Radwin and Con and I thought actually played somewhat decently, but you know, given what he had to work with. Yeah, still not my favorite, but it's, I know. I just wanted to give him a shout for not being complete. Ask complete helmet. Oh man. Good job. Congratulations. You weren't, you weren't a complete bonehead then to the gate. Was it J. J. Peterman said to Elaine Venice, congratulations on a job done.
01:10:06
Speaker
Yeah. Oh man.
01:10:11
Speaker
Um, let's go to the gate real quick. This was a wet and sloppy one. It's kind of the same thing the other way around though. Like for except, you know, from Gloucester to, to bears, bears didn't get off the bus, even though they didn't really have a bus. They kind of just didn't come out of the locker room. No, they must've drank sleepy time tea in the training room. Cause it was, it was, well, I mean, and then saris just rocked him to sleep. That was a, that was a true assassin's hit job right there.
01:10:41
Speaker
that was just like they didn't they didn't do anything they didn't even give them a chance in terms of like trying to play Bristol's game they just went to their old game which we knew they were eventually gonna have to pull out because of days like this and it worked
01:10:57
Speaker
It worked brilliantly. It was ugly as fuck to watch, but it worked well. Obviously, to me, Malins was the best player on the pitch. Right. Because that's the thing. That's what Saris have been missing certainly last year was the transitional like, okay, they would get caught in kick tennis.
01:11:19
Speaker
and then just stay in it. And the other team eventually would do something dashing and daring and it would work out well. These areas were left kicking themselves like, oh man, we waited too long. This time it was Max Malins going, you know what, fuck it. We've been doing this like for five minutes straight. Like let's just take a run of them and then chip it over the top. Like, cause they weren't ready for it. They literally lulled the bears to sleep a little bit and then the chip and chase and
01:11:47
Speaker
points and that's pretty much game. Yeah. And good. He did a good job of managing the game from 10. And that's about all you need to do really. So, right. And for me, this is, this is coming from me now, mind you, everyone out there, every time that saris got the penalty and pointed the posts, I was saying points go, just take points.
01:12:07
Speaker
Like, that was me. Yeah, I mean, it was like this win the game. It's it's just so shitty out. Like, just just keep adding this. Like, this is literally like a keep ticking the scoreboard over because it took the bear, especially when the bears were out of it. Like, you know, when it's going to be, you need to score three tries to get just to think about being back in this match. It's over.
01:12:26
Speaker
Yep. Especially with that weather, it just wasn't going to be conducive to anything like that. I do want to give one tiny bit of prop to Theo Dan, who has clearly unseated Ethan Lewis as the next book player in line. He's jumped him clearly because there's a lot of those law hookers that are not available for Saracens for one reason or another. And you would think Lewis would be the next guy in line because he was for a while.
01:12:53
Speaker
not the Odans now unsee it himself. Another young hooker coming through at Saris. I don't know what to tell you. Working out well. Yeah, it is. The hooker, it seems like for what Saris do, the hooker's job is pretty straightforward. It's pitcher line out throws.
01:13:19
Speaker
organize the scrum well and just run. And be smart at the back of the mall. That's it. That's your job.
01:13:28
Speaker
And especially the, you know, the, um, the throwing in the, um, being smart at the back of the line out and making your tackles. He didn't do so well earlier in making his tackles, but that's gotten better. It's gotten better. It's gotten better. Like, uh, yeah, like I pointed out the other week about winning penalty that he had the chop there. That was, that was a good one. I think it was that, that sale he did that. I don't remember who it was exactly, but yeah. Yeah. Good stuff from the, from the boy. Mm-hmm.
01:13:55
Speaker
So, and yeah, there's just as typical saris assassin job. And yeah, I'm not kidding. They stay 10 points up in the prime. Yeah. And it's, it's, it's going to be hard. That's that 10 points is bigger than it seems. Cause I don't think sale are, I don't think sale are six points ahead of wins or saints really like in the long run, it'll, we'll find out a little bit, but I,
01:14:22
Speaker
I don't know how many matches Sarah's are just, it's going to be difficult to knock Sarah's off this year, which is ridiculous. I don't, because they have so much depth that we're seeing in days like this weekend.
01:14:35
Speaker
Yep. They can manage, they can manage their way through, as we call them the dark days of the prem and then come out the other side feeling pretty good about themselves. Although we'll see what we'll see this weekend. This is going to be fascinating. That's going to be, that's going to be a tough team. Yeah. Like I'm more nervous about this one than, than I was about sale to be, but at the same time, saints have huge defensive holes that I think the saris, if they, if it depends on what, again, in field conditions and a lot, but if saris can be runners, um,
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01:15:06
Speaker
Watch out. Yep. It would be very interesting. It'd be a hell of a match to, yeah, which way they go. Then they, yeah, that's, that's matching the series of two weeks off. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. All right. So that's that.
01:15:28
Speaker
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