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Glick's House of Music: Heather To The Max
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Welcome to Glick's House of Music n The Nonsensical Network! Your Unofficial Backstage Pass to the artists, stories,and conversations you won't hear anywhere else. Tonight,Glick sits down with the one and only Heather To The Max for a conversation about music,creativity, life on the scene, and everything in between No scripts. No foilters. Just real talk, awesome stories, and maximum rock'n'roll energy. Turn it up, smash that like button, and join the conversation in the comments
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Musicians gather spirit.
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Voices rise in sweet decree.
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Jawless blend of sonic art. Touching souls a brand new start. Rocking interviews, stories shared.
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Chill hangouts, no time spared.
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All things music, a vibrant call for one and all to give their all in this sanctuary where dreams ignite.
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Music.
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To hang
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out, no time spared. From sorrowful whispers to a roaring sound. Music unites on HelloGrow.
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Great house of music.
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My favorite place to be is in my bed.
Pandemic Reflections and Solitude
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So I'm not losing my mind.
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That's hysteria, I don't wanna bury ya I'd rather stay home instead You're better off being broken alone than sick or dead And what could you do if the virus broke through and needed a pill?
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hope we all can be careful And in which we are blessed
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Hysteria, I don't wanna bury you, I'd rather stay home instead. Yeah, better off being broken alone than single there.
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And what would you do if the virus broke through and you needed a helping hand? Well, just a fight for your rights to live free or die.
Exploring the Nonsensical Network
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I won't panic.
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just over here pushing buttons not knowing what i'm doing typical typical you think i would figure this out by now but it's tuesday We're live here on the Nonsensical Network with Glick's House of Music, your unofficial backstage pass to all things music. And that's really bright back there tonight, and it's going to bother me.
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Daniel's in the building. Wally's in the building. What's going on, brother? and Johnny, AKA Fidel Bongs. What's going on, guys? Appreciate you being here already.
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But as the song said, no reason to panic at all. We have a very unique artist here tonight. And I'm very excited to hang out with her and talk to her.
Introducing Heather, the Unique Artist
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A lot of people are like kind of surprised that I'm digging her music. But if you guys know me, you know I love all types of music. And she has definitely struck a chord with me that i can't i'm I'm enjoying it. I'm loving it.
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And that's enough about me and us. Let's bring her here, Miss Heather, to the max.
00:07:37
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What is going on? What's up? What's up? Thank you. How are you? I'm great. Thank you for coming up, taking a little bit of time out of your... Well, it's still early for you out there.
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I barely got off work with enough time to get ready. it's You know, grateful. I brush my beard, throw a hat on, throw sleeve a sleeveless shirt on, I'm good. they're Ready to go.
00:08:05
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Oh, yeah. No, I've just been so excited and looking forward to this all day. so i need more guests with that type of enthusiasm. but I get, there's, there's still, I've been doing this for so long and there's still a small part of me.
00:08:21
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i get very nervous. I don't get very nervous, but I get a little nervous and I get excited with the, I always get excited, but I get the kind of the jitters because it's like in text and stuff like that, you can kind of get a little bit of a read on somebody, but until you get them right here, it's like,
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man, what's going to happen if they're a complete dud? Or if they're like, oh, you're a jackass now that I see you, you know, like look at me and say that I'm a jackass. So there's always a little bit of nerve.
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um But totally you did come very highly recommended by a mutual friend of ours. You guys around the Nonsensical Network, you guys know her, Jules and the Howl. I think you popped up, may have commented, may have liked or something.
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when she was on the show last and I went and checked out your Instagram page and, i was like, oh, wow. This is a unique style of music that I am definitely intrigued by. And I brought you up and Jules had great things to say about you. so well he is amazing. She is one of my favorite people on the scene right now for so many reasons. I mean, her music is incredible, but she's also just an incredible person. So I'm honestly truly grateful just to be near her circle.
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she She really is an amazing person. We've had a lot of fun and somehow I've got to be a small part of what she's doing and ah awesome and got to meet some really cool musicians through her.
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And you are the newest one on there, but we're not here to talk about Jules. Jules, this isn't about you. This is about Heather. I'm Right off the bat, I said it, and this is what's kind of kind been got me so sucked in.
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You are a very unique blend of music styles that don't particularly dance in the same circles. A little indie, a little pop, little rock, got a jazz influence, which I dig. You're just all over the place, and you kind of bring together.
00:10:38
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Have you come up with a style or a name for that yet? You know, ah i got for I'm just honored, first of all, to be like recognized that way. um Because at my heart, the the at my core, I'm a songwriter. And When a new song hits me, it doesn't matter what genre it's in. Sometimes I just like need to get it out. And that's where a lot of it comes from. a lot of it comes from like various influences throughout my life. But overall, ah yeah, i it's hard to pin it down. And throughout my career,
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It's been something I realized that like, holy crap, I need to like not pin it down, but you need to know how to describe this to people. All right. a Pitch and stuff like that.
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And so, um you know, a lot of the stuff, a lot of my best stuff and a lot of people's favorite stuff is really more in like the blues rock kind of area, neighborhood.
00:11:53
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Definitely a little bit of jazz thrown in there, and we can talk about all the reasons for that. But I always say that, like, my my home is blues rock. And, you know, my music does also like to visit other neighborhoods as well. So um sometimes, in fact, ah once gosh... It's going to be farther down the road before anyone can hear it, but we're working on like a Latin song or two even um someday. It's in the repertoire, but there's a lot of material to go through. Your music is they is a social butterfly, so to say. it it It goes wherever it wants and then it makes friends wherever it goes. No, I dig it. I dig it. I'm ah i'm a big music guy. I love the blues and rocks. I'm um i a huge fan of the blues. I love that, especially like that, that old juke joint, um like prohibition Southern era blues or storytellers, some of the best storytellers came out of that, that, that era.
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But I'm a, I'm a big, I'm a music guy. I am not a musician by any, by any stretch of the imagination. The only time I feel like a rock star is either in my shower or in my car and nobody else is.
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I'm just, a I'm just a nerd. I love to listen to music and, and, and, and I, I'm all over the place with my taste, my, my, uh, my playlists are full. It's, it's an ADA, ADHD acid trip at at the end of the day. So honestly, i feel like the world needs more people like that. Um, I also try to be like that a little bit with the music that I listened to. I'm always looking for new music to listen to. And I am also listening to some of like the weirdest stuff sometimes that I'm like, this is really random. Um,
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Like, oh man, this is so random. But ah we were at a show the other night. It was a songwriter's round thing. And I forget what the heck the person was saying their song was about.
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But it reminded me about this song about conjoined twins that I just happened to know. I turned to my partner I was like, oh, remember this song that I know about? That's an even weirder song or whatever we were. The whole situation was... um Yeah, yeah. Sometimes it's fun to go down the rabbit hole. Absolutely. There's nothing better than a little trip down there.
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You know, it's, and it shows in your music, yeah like I said, and, and, and ah you, you know, you do the rock stuff. You got a little bit of the rock sound behind you, but your voice, the music is saying one thing, but your voice is saying something totally different. yeah And it's a really cool blend. I,
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Panic is one of my favorite songs. I, you know, kind of thumbing through your your YouTube and listening to some of your songs. I know it's a little bit older, but I love that song. and and it's And it is one of those songs that it's like,
00:15:04
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not really sure where it's going or what the sound's supposed to be, but I like it. You know? You know, that, oh my gosh, there's so much I could say about that song. And actually, I have to ask, did you see, i think I have one recording on my YouTube of us playing it live. I think you do. I think I did see that. There was quite a few. yeah because the live version is so incredibly different than even the studio version of the same fucking song. but um Because the studio version, like, basically happened on accident, to be, like, completely honest, compared to, like, anything else that has I've ever done musically. Because...
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Like I kind of knew how to record, but wasn't very good at it and was like just wanting to mess around and practice a little bit. And I came up with this like really good beat. And like I was like, oh, and then because of that, like I came up with this really good song like it just happened on accident. And then, you know, I wasn't even really planning on recording it. But um I ended up actually being in Seattle for a few months, which is where I'm from, staying with my parents. And i knew a guy from my past up there who does more of the electronic sound. And I was like, hey, I suck at producing and recording. Yeah. But I kind of wrote this really cool song. Do you think you could actually help me like put this together and release this and put it out? um I had like just started releasing music that year. and he was like, yeah. And that's how it happened.
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And then later I'm teaching it to my band. And like, obviously, little bit different when I've got live people on live instruments, but it almost just like took off even more from there. And now it's one of our um best songs are are like we play it at every show. A lot of the times we actually open our show with it. My drummer does this really cool thing where he just bangs on the drums and like we just all hang back until like the bass comes out and then like I come out and it's just an epic intro song.
The Evolution of Heather's Music
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So it's it's crazy because a lot of people say it's their favorite. um
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But it's, it's, ah it's one of those things, what it comes down to, I think for me is, um, it's a good fucking song. Like you a great a good song. It doesn't matter how it's arranged. It doesn't matter if it's an electronic pop type sounding, or if you put a guitar on that to, to wail with ah a rock band behind it. Um,
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at the end of the day, like the form, the lyrics, the melody, it just all comes together. And so it ends up like being, yeah, one of the best. Yeah. Honestly, it's, it's almost kind of like, it's just got a life of its own and yeah yeah it's what what it wants, you know?
00:18:12
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Definitely. it was like, A moment when I was finding my sound and also at the same time just doing whatever the hell I wanted. There you go. Sometimes that's the best way to do it. Just whatever the hell I feel like doing. You know, this is I like the way it sounds. and We'll see what happens. You know, I did. I did totally have like a moment of terror after I released it. And I was like, oh, my gosh.
00:18:38
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this sounds nothing like the song that I released before that, which kind of sounded like almost nothing like the song I released before that. And then that's when I was like, you know, I, I can visit other neighborhoods, but I just have to find like my sound.
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think answer ah What's up, Jersey and everybody. I think that's also, um You know, the biggest thing with with newer artists and and whatnot is trying to find your your sound. what what is What is Heather? yeah Heather's got a whole bag of tricks, but what is Heather to the max? You know, like what is going to be your thing? And in the meantime, you get to have all kinds of fun just playing with whatever and doing whatever you want.
00:19:24
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And if people like it, they like it. If they don't, okay, well, I still have this really cool song. Let me rearrange it and try it differently. you know I'm very, very deeply considering re-releasing Panic, like the rock version. um i like i have it in the vision down the line. It's not on the like plan yet I definitely think it deserves that because like you said, it it's had a life of its own and so many people do love the song. So I think that's one way to just bring it back around and really honor that. Yeah, exactly. know and it great That's a great thing. I've talked to people before and and they're like,
00:20:07
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man, I wrote this song when I was like 18. Cause I liked it. I, you know, if I, if I come across an artist, I like, I like the nose around and, and, and, you know, check out the YouTube. If you've got a YouTube channel and, and I've had artists that are on here and they, and I find a song that I love and it's six, seven years old and I'll play it on here. And they're like, Oh my God, like that song is so old and it's so bad.
00:20:31
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and it's like, no, it's really a good song. Maybe you seven years ago, you didn't really know what you were doing. They're like, yeah, you know, maybe I should re-record it now or, you know, do you know revisit it. It's just like, yeah, you know, you never know. um But that's you know that's that's the great thing about being a music junkie is and doing this show is You know I get to kind of, for those of you brave enough, that that will put your stuff up from a long time ago and and and allow the interwebs and all the weirdos to take a peek at, this is where I was when I was, you know, 16. And here I am now, you know, 10 years later.
00:21:11
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Well, if you really want to get weird, um my oldest stuff, I think, is on my SoundCloud. So you just have to search for me on SoundCloud because that has my senior recital from college uploaded to it. And I have that stuff uploaded nowhere else because I don't even have the files anymore or anything. um But yeah, actually, one of the songs that I have out now that I've recorded, is actually a song I sang at that recital in 2013. And that one's the fun song. um And ah the thing that's crazy about that one, you said something something that triggered my mind a second ago which about re-recording things. Because sometimes like the song is good. You just like...
00:22:04
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didn't know enough people or have enough resources to like get the best recording out of it and i feel like for me that's been one of those songs is the second song i ever released and it it still holds up to this day it's like one of my favorite songs to listen to like turn on in the car when the sun is up and like sunroof is back and stuff like that um But it is also one of those things in just a few years, i feel like I'm recording and and and and doing things with the right people to like get your sound to that next level. So I think it's all part of the process.
00:22:43
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Yeah. You know, and well, how long, how long have you been doing music?
00:22:53
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That's a really loaded question. Okay. How long have you been doing music? Professionally? it um Probably only like three years or so, i think, I guess.
00:23:05
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um Because i like started picking it up and going to open mics and and and meeting with people, um which I don't necessarily consider doing it professionally yet, right? But um I was starting to play a gig here or there. And one of the things, even though performing is my favorite,
00:23:26
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favorite thing in the world, getting up in a room in front of a room of people. um i was like, for a long time, I was like, you know, performing doesn't make a lot of sense if I don't have anything for people to go listen to afterwards, if they liked what they heard, if they liked what they saw that night. So when I finally started getting serious about recording is when I would say that that happened. And I don't remember exactly how long it took to get my first single out, but I know that that happened on June 2023. And it is now June sixteenth of think
00:24:07
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Five singles out now with a few more on the way. I'm hoping to finish up my first EP by the end of the year. It's one of those things I'm like, sometimes I feel like it's been going really slow, but then you realize like how short a time three years is and and everything that's happened between those times. So yeah, it's been a wild ride. So I'm i'm assuming you you did like, you know, stuff in high school and college, probably like theater or anything like that or...
00:24:36
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Literally, like when I was saying that I'm a songwriter at heart, I have been writing songs since I was six years old. um I haven't really known how to play music at that time. I just like new lyrics and like how to sing. Yeah. But I, you know, started taking music, instrument classes and stuff when I was 10 and did choir and all of that all throughout high school, went to college and have my bachelor's of music.
00:25:08
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which is where a lot of the jazz comes in because when i was in school at least at at the school i went to at the time i went there there was pretty much either the jazz track or the classical track and the thing that's funny about all this like we're talking about how uh multi-genre i am or whatever i actually kind of My first year, my like songwriting lessons were with a classical composer and I was taking classical track kind of classes. And then for the rest of the time, I was actually with a jazz composer taking like jazz theory and ensemble classes and stuff like that. Because it's definitely more like it speaks to me more and and more my style. um But I have a heart for the classical stuff. I mean, definitely when you're growing up through school playing violin and stuff like that, you're playing classical music. So I have a heart for all of it. And I've been doing music basically all of my life. um Until after i graduated college, actually. And I realized recently like how important like this part of my story is.
00:26:20
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But I didn't have a lot of friends when I graduated and didn't really know how to network. like As much as I like felt like I had confidence in myself, I i like think back on those times. I'm like, wow, I really had no confidence in like connecting with people. I like tried to meet up with a few people on Craigslist, but I was like, you know, I just graduated from music school. You have to read my sheet music in order to play with me. It was, it just wasn't working out well. And eventually I was like, you know, maybe music just isn't for me. um You know, focus on paying the bills, getting a good job.
00:26:57
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Cause that is also important to me. I will never like, deny that. um But i I straight up just lost it for a
Rediscovering Passion for Music
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few years. And it was hard. And like, it got to a point where you realize like, it's almost harder to live without it than to just like, figure it out.
00:27:18
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fuck around and find out like and that's when it it took several years so that's like when we start talking about like when I went professional and I say like maybe when I started recording it probably took five years of getting back into music and meeting people and working with people before I even started recording um so it's been quite the journey as I said before yeah i was gonna say yeah but mean it sounds like you know it's something something you've known you wanted to be a part of all your you know all your whole life and some aspect whether it's instrumental or writing or performing or so it sounds like one of those things is as as much as you thought you could get away with away from it or thought you had to get away from it the music said no well no you yeah care where you belong right now
00:28:13
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it's It's a part of my soul. And so like when i wasn't doing it, I just, it's, that i there was something missing the entire time.
00:28:25
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What's up, Jay? What's up, Nicole? What's up, Drew? I see you guys. Jay said, I'm an engineer as well. Jay's a friend and former guest of the show who does music. He said he's an engineer as well. He said, set up some stints. That's awesome. Help you out with ah the mixing master. Yeah.
00:28:39
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Yeah, yeah. I'm always like so excited about meeting new people. Like I said i ah earlier at some point, um but I am working with Jules's producer now. And so it's always great to meet new people and and get good skills on the music. it Yes, I love it.
00:28:59
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That's exactly the style. Mm hmm. it's and you brought it up it's a lot of times it's all about the networking and that community you know especially if you've got a a good community around you because you you hear all the horror stories of you know gatekeeping or you know somebody's gonna step on their own granny's neck to to to get ahead of people you know but when you can build a community around you and you can network and And please tell me you're not going to Craigslist anymore.
Networking in the Music Industry
00:29:29
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watched too many crime documentaries. I know what happens. Yeah. Oh, honestly, I um tried Facebook and it's almost just as bad in terms of of the responses that you get. But no, ah at this point, we're we're starting to figure things out. and And certainly learning how to network was, I think, part, I don't want to say of the problem. um But when you're growing up in school and you're just like forced to work with the people who you're in school with,
00:30:01
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It to for me didn't lead to really many fruitful connections. yeah um And so when I got out of school, I was like, how do I find those? And um I was just someone that had to learn that the hard way. And it takes its time.
00:30:20
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um like is all i can really say you know it's not one of those things i mean it is something you can go like find books and like read books about but it wasn't something at the time that you like think oh i need to go read a book on this subject you're just like why is it not working for me i need to figure out how to meet people and eventually you kind of start to pick it up now and it sounds like yeah i've been very fortunate uh I've had a few guests on from your guys's neck of the woods. And it sounds like for the most part, especially you ladies, you guys are killing it out there.
00:30:55
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ah would You would go back to the jewels. Um, You know, they they did the Women Rock LA couple years in a row. And for some reason, they wanted me to, you know, promote in my own small way. And I had Jules and the and the girls on ah both years. And they were, that was a lot of fun to be able to promote that. But um you guys seem to have a really good community out there. Do do you feel the same way or...
00:31:26
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thousand percent. um i did There are so many incredible women rockers out here um just in talent alone. But I mean, I haven't met like a single rude person or anything either. um But I got to say, it's the funniest thing because i have been looking for a guitarist recently and i did end up just having the weirdest interaction with someone who who responded to my ad, which did say like like female singer, obviously, but I didn't have any of my links and stuff attached. So when I sent him my links, I was like, let me know if you like it.
00:32:07
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If not, whatever. And he responded, not even saying that he didn't like it, but saying something about how Oh, without going into it too much, how female fronted rock is really difficult because the women don't often have the vocal chops and the stage presence to like hold it down. did it up It was like a whole ass paragraph. And the sentiment of it was that he didn't like.
00:32:39
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women, like front women. yeah And I'm like, then why the fuck did you respond to my ad? Like, yeah tell me you don't like me. Tell me you've got a problem with me. Don't tell me you have a problem with women because that tells me you're the problem. um And all of this is to say that ah Jules was one of the people on the scene that was like, what the hell is wrong with this person? That's what I was going to say. My partner, I showed him the the ah message and he was like,
00:33:11
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He was like, literally, we've gone to a lot of shows. And like I have male friends, too, on the scene. And we we go see them. And he's like, the best shows with the best vocal chops and the best stage presence are all put on by women in this scene. So, like, what are you talking about? like yeah um It got a really nice reaction on my Instagram. So that boosted my views for a second. Yeah. That's crazy. I've always been... So Jules, um ah I'll pull the curtain back a little bit for you.
00:33:48
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Jules was one of my first female guests. Actually, she was my first female guest. No way. we Scared shitless. I was a nervous wreck. That's Because... I didn't want to say the wrong thing or come across a certain type of way because I have always loved female rockers. I mean, since I was a kid, Lita Ford, you know, Joan Jett, Tina Turner, you name them. Like, I've always, I've always, and in the last, like, maybe 10, maybe 15 years, you're starting to see a lot of bands, Eva Under Fire and Liliac and
00:34:23
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some other bands, uh, hail storm and whatnot that are women fronted bands. And I mean, and and and this is just my own personal opinion because, um, I am a fan. It takes a very special woman to af front a rock band.
00:34:40
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And there, and there ain't no faking that. Like you either got it or you, you don't got And in the last several years, There's been a lot ah lot of you and you guys are killing it. And it makes me so happy because I'm just like, this is cool. I didn't have this when I was a kid, but I was so nervous because I've always been a fan of Rocker Chicks and Jules was my first female guest. So I was just like, they'll say the wrong thing. They'll say the wrong thing. Like, you know. And Jules just kicks the freaking door in like she does with no cares, no fucks to give. And I'm like, all right, I'm good.
00:35:16
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I'm safe. Oh, yeah. No, honestly. ah I get along with dudes more than I get along with chicks. So most of the time, and I can't say that about all female rockers, but you know, it is a different breed than someone who is not on stage. I guess I understand your point there. I think in general, ah to be a front person, to be a singer, like in front of the band is a whole thing.
Challenging Gender Norms in Music
00:35:49
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Um, because you do not only, you have to have vocal chops, but you do also have to have stage presence and kind of like command the show a little bit, even when the focus might be on another player in the band. Um, I think though, i think though,
00:36:08
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and Just what happens naturally is like men tend to get more of a pass on like the vocal chops thing. yeah um Where it's just like, hey, if they can sing the notes and get it out, like, then it sounds great. But if women have to actually like sing to a certain caliber or else certain people don't think that it's acceptable. I think a lot of us, especially like people who are actually punk rock are like a voice is a voice as a voice. And at the end of the day, like finding my voice has been part of my journey. So I don't give a fuck what you think about it. I'm going to sing to my heart's consent. I'm going to sing to the best of my ability. yeah I'm not the best singer out there. I will never be the best singer out there. But I have been working on it. I've been improving on my skill. And I know that I have the chops to at least go out on stage, have a good time and put on a good show. At the end of the day, that's the most important thing that matters to me anyway. I think I think I think with you, um with all the influences that you have, and I hate to go back to it and I hate to you know repeat myself. You have such a unique voice.
00:37:22
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It's all not what you're expecting when you hear the music. and And I always, my ah when I find a new artist that I like or if I'm thinking about reaching, I always ah get my girlfriend's opinion.
00:37:38
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and And I think it was maybe a second into your one of your songs that I played just off of an Instagram clip. She was like, you definitely got to get her. i was like, do you want to hear the rest of it? Yeah.
00:37:51
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That's cool. it did So it's like, okay, I'm going in the right direction. It's just kind of like my, my because there's been some, but then I also have to be like, you think this is AI? Because we're in that dangerous world of, and I'm guilty of it. i play i play I play with AI. AI is a toy for me.
00:38:10
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and And I know I'm not a musician or anything like that. We play and we we're goofy with it. I'm not putting it out there saying like, oh, I'm the next great band you know i know my shit's dumb and it's goofy but that's what it's for different shows on the network here so but you gotta be careful because ai is everywhere and it's just like i'll ask her sometimes or she'll hear a band and she'll go this ai and then i gotta go do my homework With you. It's insane what AI can do. But, um yeah, I don't think it gets more real than me.
00:38:45
Speaker
Yeah. No, it is. ah And it's, it's it's ah what's going on, Chris Technician? It's it's a genuine and and authentic voice. Like you said, you don't have to be the best singer. you have ah You have a genuine voice and an authentic voice.
00:38:59
Speaker
And you just, you can tell you love what you're doing. You love the music that you're putting out. And as a fan, that goes a long way. um because i'm not gonna listen to an artist that's just half accident you know but that's im mean man i'm old i'm grumpy i grew up in a different era of music so it's like no you gotta you gotta to be ah an authentic artist yeah okay we um oh no We need to know what happens on Saturday. We we do a show on Saturday nights. It's called nonsensical nonsense. It's kind of the flagship show that created this whole brainchild of the network that I've that I've opened up. Yeah.
00:39:43
Speaker
And it's six hours of. just oh fuckingness Just fuckery. We just hang out. God knows what's going to come up. It's 100% not politically correct. and borderline No, it's it's offensive. and we We're habitual line crossers, but we we don't mean any. It's not malice. It's not in a bad way. We're just having fun and we're goofing off.
00:40:06
Speaker
um It gets a little out of control. from touch and I always tell my six hours it's going to eventually.
00:40:17
Speaker
Oh yeah. And we're drinking and doing, well, you know, drinking or smoking or I drink.
Heather's Upcoming Projects and Social Media Insights
00:40:22
Speaker
It's only night of the week that I drink anymore. So what it's like, you know, but ah I always tell my guests, if you're bored on a Saturday night and you want to make really bad life decisions from home and check us out,
00:40:36
Speaker
Well, this Saturday, I'm actually going to be filming a music video. So I'm going to be a little busy. So what do what do you what do you film the video for? Or can we ask? Oh, man, you're going to love this. It's for a song called Sober.
00:40:52
Speaker
um And the song is about being too sober and needing to drink more drinks and smoke more weed and all of that good stuff. And so we're going to be throwing a party scene, basically. um And so it's going to be so much fun. It's going to be completely different than the last music video that I did. where we we were just in a studio, like really primped up and stuff. um And this one's going to be like a complete 180 per per use. yeah But of course, it's going to be ah like, ah about drinking and you know shooting the shit sounds like we got a new song for saturday night boy i'll be doing my thing but uh yeah well i'll definitely be looking for for that video when it comes out we'll definitely get it up and and and play i'm literally i don't
00:41:48
Speaker
have I literally am going to be figuring out the release date probably within the next few days. And I was kind of mad at myself for a second that I didn't have the the release date. Like right now I could be like announcing the release date, but I don't know. Probably like a month or so from now. um So we will know very soon. Follow me on the socials and you'll you'll definitely find out.
00:42:16
Speaker
Yeah. Speaking of the socials, Now, I've tagged you in just about everything I could i could tag you in. But do you want to throw out there where everybody can find you so they can follow you? Because that is very important. That's part of why you're here.
00:42:28
Speaker
You want people to come and follow you and check you out. Yeah, honestly, the biggest place where I would like some followers right now would be Spotify and like streams and stuff. I mean, I'm a Spotify girl. And so I care kind of more about my Spotify numbers than anything else, which I don't know if that's sad or if that's just real. Yeah.
00:42:49
Speaker
but but um Follow me on Spotify, become one of my cool monthly listeners or whatever. After that, I'm most active on my Instagram for sure, which is the only place where you have to type more than Heather to the max. It's Heather to the max official because someone got to that username who never used it because I like reached out to them. i was like, change your name. So because I'm an artist and they never i don't know. Maybe someday I can get that name, but it's Heather to the Max official on Instagram and just Heather to the Max everywhere else. If you look at ah Facebook, YouTube, um I actually have a Patreon page now. That's a new thing that I've launched recently. And so if you do want to support me in that way, you can search. You can just search Heather to the max. The great thing about that is it's a fairly unique name. Sometimes you might have to put the quotations around it, but you will find me and you will find me, you know, wherever the best place that you look for.
00:43:54
Speaker
You enjoy finding music is. yeah So make sure you guys go follow her and like her and do all the things that you're supposed to do. Yeah.
00:44:06
Speaker
I'm so excited. yeah Now I, speaking of social media, i got ask, cause ask every guest, this is one of my repetitive questions. Your, your, your feelings on social media. what What is your relationship with social media?
00:44:23
Speaker
That's, I mean, that's a very loaded question because i'm a millennial, man. like you know so i grew up with MySpace. I had a Zynga back in the day, if anyone remembers what that is. um And MySpace, Facebook, the whole evolution. um Which, when it's strictly a personal thing, it can be kind of fun. But I think it can also be Potentially mentally damaging if you're not paying attention to, you know, the difference between what you see online and what you see in reality. um i think there are pros and cons to it. And then.
00:45:07
Speaker
there is like a whole other level to it being a musician and being someone who has to market yourself on social media because i feel like that has been one of the most difficult lessons i've had to learn in my life i i was just saying to my partner like a week or so ago that like i feel like i'm finally starting to figure it out and gain some traction because the thing is in the beginning You hear post consistently like that does help like like number one posting consistently is always going to help.
00:45:44
Speaker
But number two, the quality of the work and if it is touching the right notes, like I'm sure you know, like all about the psychology behind how you phrase something, how you title something makes such a big difference. and so for me, just posting consistently was a piece that I had to learn. But then I was doing a lot of, you know, what people call the two to three hundred view jail, yeah um I've been there and I have felt that and where you're just posting and you're not gaining any traction. You're not like no one's seeing it. um But that's how you sort of gain your reps in terms of creating content and learning what does work. um It takes a lot longer than I would like. But in the end, I'm like, I'm starting to like... I'm starting to be able to identify for myself when I have a good idea versus just an idea. Like at the end of the day, almost all ideas get posted because I want to post consistently. But I'm able to say, oh, this one's going to be good. And this one's
00:46:57
Speaker
gonna fill a hole you know filler episode kind of situation um and ah plan stuff out a little bit more strategically that way and like i said actually see you know not huge results but like incremental and i feel like i'm figuring it out and at the end of the day should a musician have to do all of that shit Should a musician have to spend all of that time and focus so much on that stuff? Because what's happening to the industry is that
00:47:29
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and People won't even look at you unless you know how to promote yourself. Like if you can't get to a certain degree by yourself, then they don't see any you know interest or reason to invest in getting you further than that point.
00:47:50
Speaker
And I definitely feel like in my first few years of going professional, that has been part of the puzzle. ah Like it's hard enough to get in the studio and get stuff recorded and get it released and get, music venues to you know book you for shows and get people to actually show up for those shows and get musicians to actually play with you at those shows. It's like fucking insane how much work goes into just being a musician. And then you also have to go online and promote yourself.
00:48:24
Speaker
So i have positive and negative feelings about all of the sides of it. Um, because I, I've seen the but the positives and I've seen the benefits. And actually i found jewels in the howl on fucking Instagram. yeah I found a lot of the the women who I currently follow on the scene right now through Instagram. wow.
00:48:50
Speaker
because i'm the kind of person who's like looking for new music but at the end of the day those bitches hadn't been posting then i wouldn't be fan i wouldn't be here right now it's not all bad but it's definitely not all good it's uh i like to i like to call it the the necessary evil because yeah a little bit i i feel you i mean I've got nine to five. I got a family. And then I'm doing multiple shows a week. And it's like, I got to find time to freaking do a pace. No, I don't have, you know what? I'm going to do my, I'm going to do my promotion for the upcoming shows.
00:49:29
Speaker
And hopefully, maybe eventually one day, if anybody's listening, we do have a free ah social media internship here at the network. If you want to handle all of our social media, it's an unpaid internship.
00:49:41
Speaker
but But you can, because it is, it it is as a necessary it's necessary evil in the world we live in today. And and that's ah unfortunate thing for, i guess, an unfortunate or fortunate thing um for artists that I've come across and talking to you guys and talking to different people.
00:49:59
Speaker
It's it's I view it as it's kind of sad that, you know, you'll reach out to a venue and no look at your social media presence. You go, oh, well, you've only got, you know, 300 followers.
00:50:11
Speaker
We don't want you here. Like. I'm an independent local artist. You should be supporting. Well, I'm not, but you guys are. You should be supporting your local scene first and foremost. Yeah. You want to get the bigger name acts, but you should really be supporting your local scene. Don't don't judge them just because I mean,
00:50:29
Speaker
There's some great artists that I've come across that have a very small following, but it doesn't take away from their talent. I don't mean they're any less talented, but it just means that they're less active usually is what I've found. Yeah.
00:50:43
Speaker
I mean, Instagram is where I find all my guests. I'm scrolling through there doing the doom scrolls that we all do. And a voice will catch my attention. Sometimes it's it's it's a lot easier than that. You know, you guys just like other posts that I make and I go, hey, she's a musician. Let me see what she's doing. But other times I'm doom scrolling.
00:51:00
Speaker
And just that voice was my attention. and then I got to try to scroll back and find the voice. Sometimes I'm doom scrolling to see what other musicians are posting so that I have ideas of what to post next week.
00:51:16
Speaker
I'll tell you a secret. I actually batch all of my posts on Sunday every week. I like... I might start like planning and thinking of ideas and maybe creating things on Saturday. But then Sunday, i like fucking lock in after going to the grocery store. And I'm like, okay, these are the posts I'm going to write. Get in Canva, write them all up. Sometimes even get to the point of actually drafting them with captions and shit. Sometimes it doesn't work out that way.
00:51:44
Speaker
But tell you what it's the only way that I can be consistent, you know?
AI and the Future of Music Promotion
00:51:51
Speaker
I'll tell you what, ChatGBT has become my new best friend. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah i i it's hot Music promotion, music marketing is a unique thing. And I i kind of tried the ChatGBT thing. And the one thing I will say about it is it it's it's it's.
00:52:12
Speaker
a This is hilarious. It understands human psychology like in theory, but I don't think it always like really understands what's going to work in the case of like a musician because it is kind of such a unique thing. I kind of think about it with the Harry Potter umbrage scenario where they only got to learn the theory of how to use spells, but not actually how to use them, um which is just a super random reference. ah
00:52:44
Speaker
But sometimes I feel like when I'm using AI to like make it more engaging, it it's guessing at that because It's an AI and it doesn't actually engage with things. It doesn't have any personal anecdotal experience. It's going out on the internet and trying to understand based on data how humans think. yeah So... um I think it's like and so that's where the whole thing with AI for me is like there is a line, there is a point of diminishing return. It's a fantastic idea machine when you're just like, help me come up with more ideas. Um, and it's great for refinement when you're like, Hey, I've drafted this message out, but I feel like it's a little hard harsh. Can you maybe like help me smooth it out a little bit? Um, there are so many things that AI is great for. And actually at the end of the day, I've realized that I can't use it entirely for my posts or writing that anyways. I have to kind of come back with a human lens and be like,
00:53:51
Speaker
Okay, but what what is this actually giving the audience member? Because that's the the biggest question that's made the biggest difference on my posts recently. I've noticed the ones that have the that that get but the best response Are the ones where the hook sets something that makes you go, oh, I need to watch this video to see what happens to see what the heck this hook is talking about. So the hook itself has to like be interesting for you to want it to know what it's talking about. But then you have to make them stay to watch the video to understand what it's talking about. Yeah.
00:54:31
Speaker
So that's kind of how I've tried to to view now. Like I said, my better posts is like, is, is the audience going to look at this and go, Ooh, what, what does she mean? And like lean in or are they just going be like, Oh, cool information, bro. And like, keep rolling. I still post that shit too. Um, I mean, the day consistency is a huge factor, but, ah It helps me definitely in terms of the gaining traction thing I was talking about. like I'm actually starting to make a post that people want to see and add and share. I think one of my posts recently got like 10 shares or something or reposts or whatever that new Instagram feature is. I can barely keep up these days. I really can't. ChatGPT has made my life a lot easier because I am not
00:55:27
Speaker
I'm a big, dumb animal. ah know i I can get in front of a camera and I can talk pretty well. I mean, I completely destroy the English language, but it is what it is. I've been doing it for 45 years. I'm not stopping now. yeah But for like my thumbnails and stuff like that,
00:55:47
Speaker
i can get in there, the idea what I want, and then from that moment on, we can dance. Now, my chat GPT and I, we do have some We do have some arguments. We got into a hellacious argument Friday. and then i That's what I mean. had to respond to the fact that I was in ah in a ready to punch my phone because I wanted to hit my AI robot who was being a fucking smartass and wouldn't do what I wanted it to do. But nonetheless, you try to correct it and it goes, oh, you're right. And then it does a completely different thing that was also not what you wanted it to do. You're like, motherfucker. Yeah, exactly. so
00:56:26
Speaker
But, you know, for what I'm using it for, it's very, you know, kind of elementary. It helps me, you know, especially with with the grammar and and posts and stuff like that, because.
00:56:38
Speaker
you said the english yeah I think where it gets the most dangerous is when people go to it with like emotional problems. yes They forget that it is designed to agree with you. So of course, it's going to tell you that your partner is crazy and that you're the sane one, like regardless of the situation. But beyond that, it it just also doesn't really know the limits of, again, what is like emotionally appropriate. It can know in theory, based on data on websites, what is, you know, crossing the line to a danger zone. But in a reality, it doesn't understand those things. And so, you know, you hear those horror stories, but then you have to remember, like, that it's, you got to have boundaries with it, almost the way you have to have boundaries with other people. Yeah.
00:57:31
Speaker
is Which is weird because it's easy to just ah trust without any limitations. But you can't do that.
00:57:43
Speaker
I like to look at it like this. I'm i'm a blue collar guy. I've been construction, whatever, maintenance, but pretty much my entire life. It's a tool. And that's how I use it. It's the same as my screwdriver at work. You know, I'm not using a screwdriver.
00:57:58
Speaker
You know, I, know, that's how I use it. I, you know, i do have fun with it from time to time, but, uh, there's my, there's my lovely girlfriend slash backstage, uh, producer. She's going to drop them social links for, for everybody. Nice.
00:58:14
Speaker
So it's easy to find. um and so those are in the chat now is, I'm just a host. I'm too too important to be bothered with that stuff. I'm just kidding. I just don't know how to do it on the fly at all. I probably could figure it out. But no, yeah, I think that's where people are...
00:58:34
Speaker
kind of getting and getting themselves in trouble with the AI. They have to remember it's a tool. It's a tool or it's a game. And and you know you can have fun with it and it can it helps me greatly. But that's just because, as I said, I'm a big, dumb animal. So when I started doing this, I was like, I'll just turn my camera on and I'm a podcast host.
00:58:53
Speaker
No. There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes that I was not prepared for. but i feel like I feel like that's the case with like most things, honestly. Even with music, like I said, like growing up, I wrote songs and I played in orchestra and choir and stuff.
00:59:14
Speaker
um And then you get to be an adult and it's it's so much more than writing songs and playing music. Even once I found my band, you know someone has to find the places to play, someone has to find the places to rehearse ashlan sometimes. You know, and it ends, ah you know, one of the things that's um weird about releasing music, like I mentioned with Sober coming up, is the visual element. So like you have to have an album cover for every single song. You can't just write a song and write a recording and like... you know drop it i mean you can it won't go anywhere if you want to actually do the thing you have to be constantly like getting all the extra pieces in it you're like wow this is just so much more than i was expecting if it's the right thing and you really love it it it doesn't like feel heavier it doesn't feel like more it's really exciting you know exactly well speaking of your band um you've you've got them put together for the most part i'm assuming you know got it all squared away obviously we know the trials and tribulations but for you particularly with with your sound with your with your vocals and the way your voice sounds and how you sing and saying i want a rock band behind me
01:00:36
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What was that like finding those
Building a Band and Live Performances
01:00:38
Speaker
guys? And when you found those guys and you're like, so this is what we're doing. What what was their reaction? You know, um for me, at least so far, luckily, maybe not luckily, I don't know, but it's been just fully a labor of love. So what's actually crazy is um I mentioned when I graduated college, I didn't have a lot of friends and that was totally true. um And I was living in Seattle, and for instance. But when I came to California, i think like right after COVID was kind of getting over with, um one of the people who I knew down here was someone who I'd actually met in college like 10 years prior, um who was in the theater department back then. So he wasn't even in the music department. But he like had dropped out, moved back to California. I came back years later, COVID. And finally, was just like, hey, I know you do music. And I've been like going out to open mics and stuff. Would you like to get together and just like play jam, you know do some stuff? Wasn't really expecting anything serious to come of it.
01:01:49
Speaker
But that really was was the person who came ended up becoming like my first band member. and then... While we were working on stuff at some point along the way, he was like, oh, you know what? My best friend, like lifelong friend Cody, he is would love to play drums for us. like Let me just hit him up. And we just like one day after noon, he just like came over. um cody's an incredible like multi-instrumentalist he did every single track on the fun song except for my vocals um he also produced it um and so he he's just an all-around incredible musician and he loves playing the drums for us and he's been like getting better about it over time so he is like my guy my brother and um
01:02:38
Speaker
Weirdly enough, then the original friend was also playing a show for another singer with another. And I went and they had a bassist there who was just so good. And it was such a small show. i was like, he can't be doing much if he's just like yeahes random person. I won't get into details about that, but I like apparently like ran up to him after the show and I was like, I need you in my band. Like, this is how he describes the situation. usually that wrote so I was like, that's probably exactly what happened. Because luckily he loved the music, loves playing with the other players and has been like my number two guy. He has the most experience in our band. um I won't drop his age, but has the most experience in our band. he has the most experience our he has the most experience in our band.
01:03:30
Speaker
a past he of being almost signed and touring and stuff so he um brings that experience to the table which is incredibly valuable to me just kind of the point of bringing it up is um how much of a mentor he's been to me as well so we've gone through a few changes uh it's it's It's a long story, all of those changes. But right now my bass and drums are like my two most solid guys ever who have been with me from basically day one as far as it goes. um and
01:04:09
Speaker
ah luckily, it's been just through, yeah that connection of person after person after person, which just happened to be weirdly off of a connection that we hadn't even talked to each other for 10 years. And we just happened to be... a same time, right place, you know,
01:04:26
Speaker
That kind of thing. So um in a wild house it goes back a little bit. I just that last thing is that when I was saying I didn't know how to network before and I didn't know how to like actually like connect with people. That was the biggest difference between that experience back then versus that experience when I started actually meeting my band was that I I had done a lot of reflecting and a lot of learning about how to like just suck it up. You don't have the confidence or you're scared or whatever and, and reach out and, um, accept being bad and all of those things. And, uh, this time it worked out really well.
01:05:10
Speaker
I think what, I think one of the biggest things and Lord knows I went through and I'm sure a lot of people have gone through this, uh, especially a musicians and artists at first you, you have this, you're afraid of, uh,
01:05:24
Speaker
maybe being rejected or hearing no. And now it's like, what's the worst, worst thing that could happen is, you know, a venue or, uh, a guitar player or or, whatever the case may be. He's to like, nah, not really my thing.
01:05:41
Speaker
Okay, cool. You're not meant to be here. yeah Um, yeah when the like people are you know, when the, when the time is right and the right people, ah come along, everything will kind of flow. Like it sounds like with the two gentlemen that you have with you now, like it was just right time, right place, right people. And now you're locked in. It's it's like experience goes a long way, especially if you can get somebody that knows what they're doing and that's in any aspect of life. And and you're just learning the ropes and they can, man, that,
01:06:13
Speaker
That's priceless. You can't pay for that. between You know, I never thought about it this way, but just between the three of us, you know how like firms always say, Oh, he has 20 years experience. He has 30 years experience. So we have 50, we probably have like a hundred years of experience playing music, but because we've all been playing music our entire lives, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah that's, that's, good I mean, you gotta love when stuff kind of starts even through all the, uh,
01:06:43
Speaker
Oh, little hiccups and curves in the road and the curve balls that, you know, when, when the right pieces start to fall into play and then like, Ooh, this is actually starting to work. that we We found our, we found our groove. You gotta love that.
01:06:58
Speaker
Now I've seen it cause I'm nosy and you know, I stalk a little bit on social media, but some people may not have who we're going to listen to this and hear this, but as a music fan, um,
01:07:11
Speaker
one of the One of the most important things for me is I'm coming to see somebody. I've already listened to your music. I've already heard your albums. I've probably listened to it a million times. But the live performance, the onstage energy, which, what is that like? How would you describe your energy? Like said, I've seen it. But I want to hear it for you.
01:07:34
Speaker
well Yeah. Well, it's like, do you want me to be succinct or go on and on and on? Because for me, there, there's literally, what do I explain it? Like,
01:07:48
Speaker
When people talk about like flow state or when Beyonce talks about Sasha Fierce or like when you're just like in that place that you know you're meant to be and everything else falls away. Like people talk about these moments, these feelings, you know, when you're in your purpose. And that is how I feel on stage. Yeah.
01:08:11
Speaker
Even when I was like in in school and stuff, whether I was performing, like i said, violin in the orchestra or ah in I did some theater in high school, didn't matter what it was. If someone was like watching me, like, I don't know what it does to me. It like invigorates me. Like, I just want to put on a fucking show, like regardless of what kind of show it is.
01:08:34
Speaker
It's going to be, you know, the best show that I can put on. And it feels right, which I was so funny. I was just talking to one of my friends recently. I'm actually a very introverted person, like in my daily life. But there's something about being on stage. I like I'm just like, oh, my gosh, this is life. This is the meaning of life. And I have to come alive and I have to put on a good show like that is what I'm there to do.
01:09:04
Speaker
And so when it comes to my music and and rock and roll, like the best thing that or the best feeling you can have at a rock concert is having fun and rocking out and just like ah really enjoying what you're watching as well as what you're hearing. Because, know, You know, we have all been to those shows where the band just isn't tight or the music just isn't interesting. And that is hard to watch, even if there's great performers on stage. um
01:09:40
Speaker
I'm almost more the other way, especially if I'm rocking out too hard. The vocal ability might go down. but that's you know, because.
01:09:51
Speaker
Your energy is going to feed into the crowd and then the crowd is going to feed off of that energy and it's going to complete that cycle, so to say. Exactly. Exactly. i literally like, I mean...
01:10:05
Speaker
I have always been kind of like moving to music, even when I was like in classical choirs and stuff, I'd have to like figure out how to like sit still sometimes and in occasional situations.
01:10:18
Speaker
um I definitely had a ah professor in college once who told me that I moved around too much on stage during one of my like solo performances because I was like jamming. I don't even remember what it was, but.
01:10:31
Speaker
um For me, A, that's natural. I literally like feel music in my body. It's a physical sensation to me. So again, if the music's bad, I'm not going to have as much of a physical sensation. But if it's good, I have to fucking rock. I have to jam. I have to move. You'll see me dance sometimes where I'm like conducting the song because I'm just like oh. that's so good oh that's so good um and so you know i try to bring that to the stage because again i think this show needs to be fun to watch i completely a thousand percent agree with what you were saying about like what's the point in going to a show if you're just going to hear the song exactly as it's always as it is on the album and nothing's going to be interesting happening on so stage that's not going to be a show that you like
01:11:27
Speaker
want to go to. um So that's exactly kind of what I'm trying to do is just put on the best show possible because that's what makes it most fun for me. That's what makes it most fun for you. That's what makes it most fun for me. It's cyclical. You know what I mean? And um and Yeah, it's the last thing I have to say, though, is it's so funny because I think I just posted a post like yesterday or maybe two days ago. That was a post of me dancing. And it was just saying that, you know, big stars have backup dancers.
01:12:04
Speaker
I just have me. So a lot of the times I'm doing the work of both like backup dancers that I envision in my like future superstar days They will be there eventually, but for now, I just, I have to do all the parts. I'm singing. I love it. And like said,
01:12:23
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but i love it and like i said you know, one of the videos, I can't even tell you how many times I've watched it, but it's been a lot. Uh, you had titled, it was like popped up on the screen. It's all about losing your balance. You were, you were like, so yeah yeah and I was like, see, that's, that's the kind of show, you know, you want to go see it. And, and, and I bring this up a lot, you know, this is again, I'm, I've been around for a little while. So 20 some odd years ago, went and seen, um,
01:12:55
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Family Values tour, you know, corn and Limp Bizkit and Stained and all those. Oh, wow. And Stained performed. And knowing now, what I know now, not knowing back then, I was just like, this but this fucking blows.
01:13:10
Speaker
Because I was a Stained fan. Aaron Lewis got up there and he just sang every single song like this and didn't really do anything. And it was like, this fucking lame. You know? But then it comes out, everything that was going on with his personal life and Flash forward, you know, five, six years ago, I come back home to Ohio and I get the opportunity to go to a louder than life music festival in Kentucky. And I'm like, Oh, cool. Stain's here.
01:13:35
Speaker
Completely different performance. Aaron's running all over the stage. He's having a blast. That's awesome. The reason I went to said show was one of my bucket list bands was guns and roses and guns and rose music fest. Plus a whole bunch of other bands. And I'm like, screw it. I'm going for the whole weekend. Um,
01:13:54
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But I was like, I don't i know it's 20, 30 some years later. I don't care if Axl Rose sounds terrible. I want the Axl Rose experience. And you got it.
01:14:05
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And he sounded actually great, but you got it. And Slash was there. So it was like, I didn't care if the music was bad. i wanted to see gnr and i wanted to see axel running all over the stage like a madman i wanted to see slash jim and how you know and oh man it it was just awesome the performance when you go to a live show makes it just makes that full circle you already love the music but like i said seeing your videos i'm like she's she's a wild animal on stage Yeah, yeah. Like, that's part of my thing. it is definitely part of my thing. Especially because, like, i know some artists and I'm friends with some artists that are less of the rock style, more of the, like, indie singer-songwriter, and there's nothing wrong with that. But it definitely lends itself to a quieter show where people are, like, sitting and like...
01:15:03
Speaker
You know, then no one's moving. And um that that can be nice if you're into that kind of thing. My music, i I prefer the harder style. So I like to I like to have fun and just go wild. And yeah, definitely. Actually, what you were saying, I have to say, reminds me of a concert that I went to.
01:15:24
Speaker
There was one year, gosh oh gosh, I think this was a while back now. um But were like, you know, instead of going like on a vacation, let's just go to like a bunch of concerts. And we saw Heart that summer. and who fucking kill it every time I've seen her I've seen them a couple times now but we saw the Eagles on their History of Eagles tour and we also saw Styx and Foreigner played a a show together which was fucking awesome but Foreigner had a new singer which was great he had he sang incredibly well all of the songs sounded amazing I mean it was a great show And then Styx came out and had the original singer. And literally...
01:16:15
Speaker
you could you you could not tell a difference in their like stage presence in their show. like Sticks put on just as big of a show. They were like walking up and down the risers and stuff. like His voice was like more of an alternate person's voice at that point. He was still hitting all the notes, but maybe with slightly less power. i mean Sticks, they're they're a powerhouse. Yeah. but it was really interesting contrast to see foreigner with a new singer right next to sticks with their original singer and the music was just as good the show was just as good sticks had slightly less power and like at the end of the day though um it was all about putting on an awesome show and it was i mean that's all both out too i've always well if i
01:17:06
Speaker
and bye You know, and kids come along. When I was younger, I used to go to concerts all the time. And as I started having kids, it wasn't didn't go nearly as much. I'm starting now that they're getting older, I'm starting to slowly get back into But I'm going to more independent local shows.
The Local Music Scene and Fan Connections
01:17:22
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I almost only go to local shows these days. I love it. We've got a couple, excuse me, really nice venues locally where I'm at. I'm in a smaller-ish city here in Ohio.
01:17:38
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But we've got a couple really, really nice places that bring in some great local bands, even bands from out of state and stuff like that. And hell, one of the venues, if Lord willing, my goal with this show is to turn it into a music festival. And it will be all my home wow former guests that will be the the only people i will be invited will be former guests. And I have a really sweet spot I want to do it at.
01:18:02
Speaker
um Again, i know nothing about putting out a music festival. In my head, it's like, I'll just... Go talk to them. They'll be like, hell yeah, sounds like a great idea.
01:18:13
Speaker
Then I'll reach out to former guests and they're going to go, yeah, we'll book a flight. Let's make it happen. It's a lot more than that. like it' so But, you know, now when when when we, you know, we we can, I try to sneak out as much as possible and go see. But, I mean, I'm i'm not even a big fan of Kiss. Sorry, Gene Simmons. I think you're a giant douchebag.
01:18:32
Speaker
But I had a friend of mine in high school who loved him. And we went and seen their psycho circus. Holy shit. was now That was an insane show. That is awesome. Those guys, fireworks and lasers and demons and monsters. I would have almost agree with you. Kiss is not my favorite band, but it's true. mean, I've never actually been to their show, but they are known for the show. That's their thing.
01:19:02
Speaker
it's it's it's ah it's It's an experience. And i'm glad that I'm glad that my buddy talked me into it because they do have a couple songs that I like. But outside of that, I'm just like, eh. But that was a hell of a show. It was not what I expected at all. yeah ah you know that ultimately that that live concert or that that live show really kind of completes that full c circle as a fan.
01:19:26
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um Speaking of the fans... Do you, and and you know still being a new, we'll say a new professional musician, because you're definitely not in the world by no means.
01:19:40
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um Do you like to get out and interact with the fans after a show or before show or anything like that? There's like nothing I love more. I mean, like, again, being on stage is where like everything falls away and like time doesn't exist and stuff. But then after I get off the stage, like the whole, it because for me, the music starts as the song flowing through me. Right. I mentioned earlier, like, I don't really totally control that. And I don't do it for other people. Right.
01:20:11
Speaker
But the thing that I enjoy most is getting out and sharing it with other people. So then when I get to see how that actually affects those people and I get to actually like connect and and meet new people and expand my network that way. And and and just also, i mean, it's cool when people like your stuff, man. Like I said, the songs are are not written for other people or not written for me. But it is like it's my baby in a way yeah because it came out of me it came through me I didn't you know and always mean for it to happen but here we are
01:20:52
Speaker
And to be acknowledged and appreciated for your passion, for the thing that you just like have no choice, but you have to do is incredibly validating and incredibly fulfilling. And, you know, I don't I hope that doesn't come off as like conceited at all. You know what I'm trying to say? But if you don't connect with the fans, then how are you actually going to like feel that?
01:21:22
Speaker
yeah So to me, that's that's like ubiquitous in terms of the process. um Even even in trying to like study social media and learn about growing your fan base as a musician in 2026. So much of the the information and the guidance It's about just making genuine connections with people. Because I think part of what keeps you in 200 to 300 view jail is just posting something, like just a post that that people aren't going to care about, that, you know, maybe people do interact with it, but you don't respond to their comments. You don't, you know...
01:22:02
Speaker
actually make connections with people. Like I mentioned that, you know, I met Jewel or I discovered Jewels on Instagram, but then eventually I like went to one of her shows and I said, hello. And she actually recognized me because I had commented on enough of her shit being like, wow, this is really good. oh my gosh. When her EP came out, I like listened to it. I was traveling at the time and I was like, you know, this totally spoke to me. and so,
01:22:31
Speaker
What I've found is sometimes you have to be the fan. um And the one of the biggest changes that I've made recently, when I say recently, like in the last couple of years since doing this thing professionally, is I try to be the kind of fan that I would like to have.
01:22:53
Speaker
So when I do find someone that I really like and appreciate, especially if they're a local person on the scene, I'm doing everything I can to support them. I'm, you know, sharing their stuff, commenting their shut stuff, going out to their shows. Actually, i feel like I could do a better job, to be honest with you. There's like definitely some things I'm like, man, I should have done that to support that. Or, you know, I i won't get into all the different ideas i have, but.
01:23:20
Speaker
At the end of the day, i think connecting with the fans is super important. and And being a fan myself has helped me kind of like, you know, figure figure all that out, I guess. I think that it goes handin hand in hand, least for musicians, obviously. If you're not a musician, then um anything you can do as a fan is immensely appreciated by the small artists that are up here trying to make something out of nothing. And, you know,
01:23:53
Speaker
yeah it's i there there's not enough good things I can say. And so of course I want to like tell that person that like, sometimes I'm the person fangirling over my own fans. Like I will be that person. Like I pray for the days to be hit up by the paparazzi. Like, Hey girl, you want to take a picture of me? I'm sorry. no Let's go.
01:24:14
Speaker
You know, who else wants to get in here? Yeah. so Those are the days I dream about, to be honest with you. And it's funny because I think a lot of people like paparazzi has this bad rap and this bad connotation and I get it and I'm sure it gets annoying at a degree, but I'm like, just waiting for the days to be noticed, you know? so ah yeah, yeah. There's nothing better than like connecting with fans. Yeah. And from a fan's perspective, it's really cool. I've been fortunate enough that, you know, a few of the few of the artists that have been on here, I've got to go out and see them perform.
01:24:54
Speaker
ah and and it Nice. ah A couple times I've i've surprised them. They didn't know I was showing up. So it's it's, you know, a really cool reaction when they get excited to try to interact and meet me and stuff like that. And some of them I've actually become pretty good friends with. But that's my goal. And I tell everybody, you know, unfortunately, you know, I do still have a nine to five and all that other crap. So I kind of got like a a four hour window, you know, a three to four hour travel window where, you know, if you guys come close enough, or we're going to do our best to to get out and see you guys. We we keep teasing Jules. She needs to come to Ohio. You do well out there, I'm sure.
01:25:37
Speaker
uh any you guys should come to ohio but um you know it's really cool because at the end of the day i'm i'm still ah i'm still a fan ah you know i'm i'm just a guy that does a stupid internet show but i'm a fan so when i get to meet you guys and interact with you guys it's it's always nice to have that good interaction where you i'm excited to see you guys you guys are excited and i've gone to some shows and i've watched just how they interact with everybody else and it's it's really cool to see that experience and sometimes I open my big fat mouth and get put on stage and have to emcee a show. And I don't like doing public speaking. But so as a fan, it's a cool experience to be able to interact and and and get to hang out and chat with you guys and see that, you know, a lot of what this show is like, it's about your music, but it's also about you guys. And it shows that, you know,
01:26:34
Speaker
but um no matter how big we think you are, that at the end of the day, you're still just a normal person. You know? You know, it's funny because, like I don't think of myself as, as big by any means. I think of myself as Rose. I was just thinking about this earlier. Cause like, i was actually thinking, Heather, don't say this. Don't tell people that you're a small artist and nobody knows who you are.
01:26:59
Speaker
But the reason I say that is because I've also like met a couple of people recently and I tell them i'm a musician and I so show them my Instagram and they're like, And I'm like, I'm like, you know, I'm not famous or anything. they're like, as far as I'm concerned, you're famous. And it really is with that perception. It's, um, and, and, you know, they're,
01:27:21
Speaker
is the perception, the only like real perception that like most people have, even musicians starting out early in their careers, is people at the end of their careers. People who have like done something substantial substantial to get noticed and and make it or whatever. And what they're doing...
01:27:42
Speaker
and all of that stuff. And no one ever talks about the decades of work that go into those artists before we get that awareness of them. And that's been one of the coolest things to me about being a local musician and supporting local musicians more is that there it's, it's a completely different world.
01:28:05
Speaker
There's no like buying tickets through ticket master and and backstage passes or vip level fuck you give the guy 20 at the door and you walk in and you see the man they're right there in front of you and they're coming down and having drinks with you afterwards yeah and um it's so fun it's so fucking fun and you know eventually if you are gonna get big enough and like you know you want to reach thousands of people of course you do well you want to play those stadium arena shows or whatever um and at that point you do need a level of security and stuff like that but on the way up there's this whole journey that no one ever talks about no one ever really acknowledges you know back when lady gaga was stephanie and stuff like that um you know
01:28:59
Speaker
Like how often do we talk about that? um And but um she was performing for years before any of the stuff started happening for her. So that's the coolest thing about the local level is that as much as you want to work to get to the point beyond that, there's so many great, awesome things about being at that level, which is just like hanging out with your fans, becoming friends with them and all of that good stuff. and you know and you you almost build that relationship where you damn near got a fan for life i mean you know i know you definitely do the the few people that i've had the the uh fortunate luck to be able to go see that have been on this show and and hopefully many more to come uh as as we grow as this show grows and everything like that you know i can look back and go oh man
01:29:52
Speaker
I remember shooting pool and doing shots with that guy at some dive bar in the, in the podunk nowhere, Indiana. you know And now, now he's selling out stadiums or, Hey, I remember, you know, when Heather was on here and she was talking about just putting the band together and now look at her, she, she's got hold out or or whatever, you know? um I love that because this is kind of like,
01:30:18
Speaker
In my own small way, I get to kind of go on this journey with you guys and I get to support you guys. You know, I need to be better at it. Like you said, I need to be better at it. and I need to get back into the habit. I used to do a thing.
01:30:29
Speaker
was New Music Friday. And whether you had brand new music or not, I would try to get six or seven former guests and just throw it in our story, you know, and let people go and find, you know, hey, you know what, I've never heard of so and so. I'm gonna go check out the rest the music. I need to get back into that habit. But yeah' Yeah, no, I totally
The Changing Music Industry Landscape
01:30:53
Speaker
get it. There's honestly too much good music out there. Like we were talking about social media a little bit before. And, you know, we're in 2026 with all of the technology advancements, it's just a really interesting time um because being good at music isn't enough anymore. And at the same time,
01:31:19
Speaker
You also don't have to necessarily like play every instrument and know how to record something super well in order for your music to to be a certain level of quality. yeah And so I feel like it's good that it's easier for people to make good music.
01:31:39
Speaker
Is it bad that it saturates the market? it It makes things more difficult because now we do have to do things like go out and promote ourselves because there's so much music out there. um But it is an exciting time to me as well because of how easy it is to discover new music. how easy it is to connect with people, and you know, artists that are so small, you would have never heard of them otherwise. ah It's so, you know, i was saying pros and cons earlier, and it's the same thing now. But one of the things that I'm enjoying out of it is being able to discover new music all the time. um and And like you said as well,
01:32:23
Speaker
not only discovering like new music, but then also the people that you discovered last week, they're actually releasing a new song next week. And so it just like becomes this never ending feed of new, interesting music. And you're not going to like a hundred percent of it, but the more that you continuously curate that, the more that it is just awesome all the time. That's what I do anyway. And, and, and, and, you know, like you said, man,
01:32:52
Speaker
There are so many. I don't even listen to thell i'll be a hundred so i don't listen to the radio anymore. when i am listen music When I am listening to music, my playlist is all former guests of this show or hopefully potential potential guests of this show.
01:33:10
Speaker
Just because, know, like, through jewels I found you and I've found VK Lynn and Sapient Scar yeah weeks ago and Bree and Marley and so many other amazing musicians just through one person you know and that that's count you know so many artists that have come across here and then through them you know the algorithm does the algorithm thing and they're like oh you you like Heather to the next well you're probably gonna like these 20 people too. And i'm going to go, Hey, you're right. I like 10 of those people. know or whatever Exactly.
01:33:49
Speaker
Exactly. great Music out there. And you know, I, I hate to dog and shit on, you know, the, the, the big music industry, but it's all cookie cutter, all these big names from your, sorry, Swifties from Taylor Swift, to Beyonce and ah you know,
01:34:09
Speaker
anything country anymore. Well, you know what's really interesting? Did you happen to hear at all the new album by the UK artist Ray? i don't think I have yet.
01:34:21
Speaker
Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Okay. Because she's like the biggest artist artist in the UK right now. Definitely like more of a pop vibe, but she also has this like incredibly jazzy vibe. And I remember we were listening to this album. I was like, you know, what's amazing about this is that pop music is getting interesting again. if you like study the history of music,
01:34:47
Speaker
Pop music especially goes through cycles of being overly simplified, like disgustingly so. Yeah, it's very cookie-cut. And really cookie-cut. And you're just like, this is boring, boring.
01:35:03
Speaker
But it does come back around and and have cycles of being more interesting and more complicated. And that was the thing I really got listening to that album. It's called This Album May Contain Hope.
01:35:14
Speaker
um I don't know why I'm promoting. She is huge. Again, like, it's the, it's the, do you know, the, where's my husband? What is taking him so long?
01:35:25
Speaker
Anyways, that's the song. That's the person. She's huge. And she just released an album like a month ago, but it's really good.
Upcoming Releases and Importance of Small Shows
01:35:34
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It's jazzy while still being sort of pop.
01:35:36
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And it makes me have a little bit of faith that we are going through Yeah.
01:35:56
Speaker
fan music necessarily um But otherwise, you know, it's really interesting to me how certain eras will have just like horrible pop music. And then other times you hear something like that and you're like, ooh. That's something new. i yeah it's i yeah i bag on Luke Bryan all the time. I call him Catfish Charlie because it's it's such...
01:36:27
Speaker
fake cookie cutter, just out of a machine, country music. All of his songs are the same. And it's, you got drinking, you got hot pearls. Yes, my music is available on all platforms. Just search Heather to the max. That's the best part about, again, technology these days. I submit it out to one thing and it's everywhere. yeah.
01:36:54
Speaker
It's one of those nice, easy things for you. ah but Speaking of the music and your music, ah what you got coming up? You got that that you can talk about, you know? You got new stuff, new shows, all that.
01:37:11
Speaker
Honestly, was... I have so many things coming up and I'm like really the worst about like keeping stuff under wraps until it's like coming. i always feel kind of bad because like, I feel like I start talking about stuff like months before it's coming. So by the time it's here, I'm like, Oh, did you forget? ah By the way, this song's coming out um because I haven't actually one of the things that's ah I don't want to say been tough, but I haven't released anything since January. So I'm really excited because I have a lot of stuff coming up. Like I said, I'm doing a music video on Saturday. and should be releasing that song and video together within about like four to six weeks. It's called Sober. um It'll be a fun one to just get drunk and and fuck around to. It's it's like ah slower, but hazier.
01:38:07
Speaker
Then I actually have already finished recording a mega fan favorite. Anyone who's been to my live shows, and I definitely have at least one version on YouTube. It's called damn. I really need a vacation. And that song is already recorded. Um, but after we do the video for sober, need to figure out the the visual element on that one. And it will be released periodically after that. Um, I want to do a video for that one at some point, but we will see how the timeline works on that. Um,
01:38:43
Speaker
In terms of shows, I'm actually playing a show next month at a place in North Hollywood here called the Universal Bar and Grill on July 10th at I'm going on at 10. It's my usual slot there. We play a lot. It's always a good time.
01:39:02
Speaker
um I'm also playing actually a us so the last time i I played this like songwriter round thing, I had my guitarist play with me, but I think I'm just going to do it myself this time. It's called LA Scene and it's a monthly songwriter showcase that my vocal coach puts on that I'll be doing in September on September 11th.
01:39:26
Speaker
Just happens to be the day in September that we're doing it. But that's a big reason I wanted to do that is actually to promote my first show at the iconic Whiskey A Go Go. i don't know if you know about the Whiskey A Go Go, but anyone in l L.A. who does music has knows about it and been there. And it'll be my very first show ever at the Whiskey A Go Go. And it's on a Wednesday at six o'clock. so Yeah, well...
01:39:56
Speaker
Because i'm so I'm starting off a line of actually women rockers that night. It's it's going to be all women ah fronted bands and um a lot of artists who are way bigger than me. So I'm just honored to be on the bill and opening the show. Definitely, if anyone is in L.A., not doing anything on a Wednesday early evening.
01:40:18
Speaker
Well, that's the show I definitely am ramping up to with all this music, with all these performances. And then actually I'm in the studio right now working on one additional song. I'll keep the name a secret for now, but it's going to be the last song on my very first EP that I want to drop that I've been actually talking about for years. I've had this vision for what's called the drunken EP. because It's going to have sober and stuff like that on it. And um so, you know, with me being able to finish that song probably in the next couple of months, I feel like I could probably release the EP by the end of the year. But everything else just has to fall into place. You know what I'm saying? So um it's kind of like what we were talking about before. Even just doing the music stuff is a lot. So I have all of those things on the plan on the list in terms of the rest of the year. It should be pretty busy. It should be pretty fun. He said he got ah ah a really, I mean, there's, i don't even know what month we're in anymore. We got another six months left in the year, something like that. don't I keep track of time anymore. All the days just kind of blend together and anymore. But, you know, you you brought up that that show that you got coming up ah with with all the the female front end bands and stuff.
01:41:43
Speaker
Who cares if it's a Wednesday on a six o'clock? I tell people all the time. There's no such thing as a small show because you don't know whose eyes or whose ears are going to be there. And the right person at the right show or catches the right Instagram video or YouTube or whatever.
01:41:59
Speaker
Next thing you know, hey, you're opening for. uh hailstorm or in this moment or you know or lady gaga or something but like that you never know you know so yeah hey take the that's that's awesome um no it it really was i kind of it's funny because in the years since i've started performing i'm like you know eventually we are going to get to whiskey go go i'm not sure when i'm not sure what for but at some point it'll happen And when I got offered this gig, i like I talked to my bassist about it first. And he was just like, you know what? This is the show where it's like worth the exposure. Like we got to make it happen, whatever it's going to take. And so we've got a few ideas up our sleeves for filling up those seats. And like I said, you know, if anyone's going to be in Los Angeles in October, like hit me up.
01:42:52
Speaker
I'll get you a ticket.
01:42:55
Speaker
You have to excuse EDM combat. He's late to the party. Imagine that, Rocky. What was your motivation to begin the music industry? Also, what's your favorite song that you've written? well off off Well, I did mention that I have been writing songs since I was six years old and playing music my whole life. And um of course, you know, I think I mentioned ah yeah um In terms of getting into the music industry, it was more about just getting back into music um and doing the thing like I had never really like committed to before. um Because, you know...
01:43:39
Speaker
As we've been saying, there's different parts of being a musician that aren't entirely music related. For so much of my life, I was like all about the music and just not prepared for the rest of it. So I'm really, really excited to say that, you know, I'm i'm down with the rest of it now, too. um The favorite song that I've written. Shit. Shit.
01:44:04
Speaker
but but but I've written over 40 songs. I have released five. So I could probably, well, even telling you that my favorite that I've released, it would be hard. Damn, I Really Need a Vacation is a good one. Hold on. i have a list of my songs here, actually. It's like asking who your favorite kid is. A little bit.
01:44:25
Speaker
um Where is the list of my songs?
01:44:31
Speaker
Just trying to see if there's any. Because, you know, when you're on the spot, that's when you forget, like, the best one. Yeah, no, exactly. like It happens. You know, fortunately, I'm the host, so I don't get put on the spot too often. I mean... There's so many songs that, like, are not my best songs, but might be my favorite, you know what I mean? now like I song about...
01:44:57
Speaker
wrote a song about um I like to kind of call it my like life story song because it refers to a few different places that I've lived in in my life. And it's called Where Do You Go? and it's about like finding the place that feels like home for you. It's about like finding the place that like resets your soul when like the world is chaos and the madness is getting to you and you don't know who you are anymore. And you just like need to get away and figure that stuff out.
01:45:30
Speaker
um So that's one that I really like a lot. That's actually not released at all. ah I do. I think I have a recording of it. a Trying to think, think if I have a full recording of it on my YouTube, because I did perform it once live that I have a good recording of that. I have to make sure I have. It's obviously somewhere on my Instagram. I could like play you a quick clip, but yeah,
01:45:58
Speaker
You know, that's one of the songs that maybe might not always be like the most catchy, but it means so much to me when I sing it. It has a lot of emotional meaning. So songs like that, it's hard to choose a favorite between the songs that everyone loves. Like, damn, I really need a vacation, which is like one of the most fun, like rocking songs I've ever heard.
01:46:25
Speaker
written like for sure but then there's a song like where do you go where it's like oh my gosh this means so much to me and it's it's more on the prettier side and so maybe it doesn't like ring uh or or connect as immediately with an audience but it's probably one of my favorite songs It it it sounds like it needs to be recorded. um a ah It's on the list. going to be one of the first ones I do after this EP. like The EP has been such a work. I've basically been working on this EP from day one. and Three years ago.
01:47:06
Speaker
So getting we're so close to getting it released. Like we're finishing up the last song right now. We're in the studio. I was just doing vocals on it last Saturday. um And so once like at one point I was like, oh, my gosh, once I released this EP, what is next? yeah And then I pretty much did what I just did right now. was like, well, what songs do I like to play? What do I want to teach my band? And there are a few songs. um And that's definitely one of them that are on the list. It sounds like it's a it's a great song. And to answer your question, Rocky, I don't have a favorite kid. I yeah i do, however, have a favorite son.
01:47:48
Speaker
I only have one. so but Right. Right. but so Shut up, Rocky. So speaking of music, two things here. a A, where can we find the full version of your Alice Cooper cover?
01:48:07
Speaker
Because that little snippet was not enough for me. have been meaning to upload that for like two weeks, at least. I mean, longer, but yeah, I need to upload that.
01:48:19
Speaker
Yeah, i I seen the Instagram reel and I was like, But where's the rest of it because there are some songs as an artist that You are some artists that you cover their songs and it's like you you gotta nail it because if you don't You're gonna be in a lot of trouble from the music heads out there like the hardcore music fans like they're gonna chew you and I seen it I was like okay, I love this, but I kind of kind of want to hear the whole song. Oh my gosh, I know, i do. Because the thing is, sometimes um those recordings, like I only have maybe 30 seconds and I can't really release the whole thing. um But i keep going back to that one and realizing like,
01:49:05
Speaker
I have pretty much the whole thing. I just need to actually. But this is what I was saying before. I'm not as good on my YouTube. and It's one of those things. Now that I'm starting to figure out the Instagram, the next thing that I'm i'm working on as a next step is being more consistent on my YouTube. i do want to try posting like I think.
01:49:26
Speaker
I think at this rate, I'm posting like one video a month and I'm like, that's not cutting it, honey. um So and like ah shorts are a thing on YouTube now, which is is hard for me to understand. But I'm already creating the reels for Instagram. and You know, I need to get them posting on YouTube. So. It's something I'm working on. um And that song in particular, I really need to get up um because, yeah, there's so many reasons why that one is unique and special and fun. And a lot of people don't realize that I can sing that way because that's not how I know to sing.
01:50:07
Speaker
Well, i guess there are some songs and it's a ballsy move to to try to cover, you know, because it's not necessarily exactly your style, but you add your unique style to it. And and like I said, i am i am very curious and anxious to to hear your your version of it because just that know the snippet got me. One I don't have a video of, the but it keeps making you keep reminding me of it, is we did a cover of One Way or Another.
01:50:36
Speaker
um which was actually so that one's like closer to my to my voice but oh my gosh like you can't sing that song without maximum levels of sass and that was actually like the hardest thing like learning the words was nothing for that song uh the melody is not hard but i had to literally really you know it but went back to the performance thing i was like okay when I'm in rehearsal, I'm like, pretend I'm on stage because you got to really like just put on the whole performance. And that's the only way that that song like actually gets across. And then of course, when we played it, people fucking lost their minds. Yeah. um But I don't think we recorded that one So again ah Definitely with the Alice Cooper one Even I was like Oh my gosh we have the whole thing And then have been meaning To actually go to YouTube And and get it out there So thank you for reminding me That's that's something I need to do Yes yeah
01:51:38
Speaker
like it It sucked me in I was like no they to Come on we yeah This is not nice This is just a tease Come on You know, Alice Cooper is one of those guys that I grew up listening to Always been a fan. i like that style that he does and, and you know, how they write whether he's writing his songs or he's writing with somebody else, that style writing. Those songs just, they just hit a certain type of way. But it also goes back to like, I'm a Dio fan and Iron Maiden and Megadeth. And they all kind of roll together with their songwriting and storytelling and stuff like that. So I'm definitely looking forward to that.
01:52:17
Speaker
But you also said you played the violin, right? Yes, that is a thing. That has happened in my life. what what are What are the chances of down the road seeing you break out an electric violin and rocking out?
01:52:32
Speaker
Probably pretty slim. I'm just going be like full honesty. But I will say, like, I do like to write string parts for my songs. um And, you know, i haven't actually pulled out my violin in years. um It was a thing at one point, like when I first started getting back into music, but didn't really have my band yet, it wasn't like recording and like doing all the things that music entails. I would pull it out almost like
01:53:03
Speaker
probably not once a month, but at least like once a year, couple times a year, maybe. um and then really, as I got like more serious into doing music and my kind of music and and stuff like that, like I just have not had time. I've got a job. We all got jobs. um And it's just funny because I have...
01:53:26
Speaker
just recently been feeling like i i kind of want to bring it out just like for some catharsis you know like for no one else but me but because it's a beautiful instrument that i like to play that i haven't played in years and and uh that's the real reason i like to pull it out nowadays because like when i'm writing string parts i just do that in the computer um but actually playing my violin these days i kind of just do as as like a little reminder of home um but i don't really play for other people just
01:54:05
Speaker
just Just randomly, you know, down the road, get you an electric to one, just randomly get you a nice hardcore little solo on it. Just kind of shock you. Yeah, know Lindsey Stirling. Definitely not. But, you know, yeah we talked we've talked a a little bit about, you know, all the social media strategies and stuff. And, like,
01:54:24
Speaker
If and when I do get around to pulling that out, it's probably going to be something that I at least like share with people. like Hey, look what I can do, you know, after not holding this thing in my hand for years. So ah um it's something you may see, but i will probably not be like on stage with an electric violin doing a whole ass thing because that's a little bit more. just in a different direction than like what really feels good to me. Like this last show, my bassist wanted me to play like one keyboard part for one thing. and it's not that I'm ever against doing that, but for this particular situation, I was like, you know, I can do that, but I won't do that because I really want to just focus on giving the best performance that I can. And if I have to even just think about this,
01:55:19
Speaker
then that's going to detract from that. So I actually really prefer not playing any instruments when I perform at all. um Just focusing on on the song and singing the song and putting on a good performance always, in my experience, has led to the best performances.
01:55:39
Speaker
You know what works for you? Yeah. you know and Yeah. it The last thing you need is added, added distraction or added stress. Like, oh man, I hope, you know, i don't want to miss a chord or miss a key because I'm too busy in the moment dancing around here. you It's so hard to think about what you're playing and what about your singing. It's hard enough to think about what you're singing, honestly.
01:56:05
Speaker
It sounds so stupid because they're your own songs, but I forget the words to my own songs sometimes, especially if you're just up there jamming out, having a good time. Then you're like, oh, wait a second. How does this song go? What do I need to sing? What am I doing?
01:56:20
Speaker
um And so to to had trying to play an instrument on top of that, it's not that... it's impossible but to be honest i'm bad at it there are some people out there who do it and i'm just like blown away at their ability to play an instrument while also like sing gorgeously and stuff like that i'm just not one of those people so you know um yeah that that's what works for me like you said
01:56:50
Speaker
yeah yeah yeah it's all about knowing your strengths at yeah yeah definitely yeah that's that's why i do this right in front of a camera i'll talk and i try not to do anything else i mean so much in life i feel like is is really figuring out it's ikigai right um you know did what that is i'm hoping Ikigai. Okay.
01:57:18
Speaker
So Ikigai is like a ah Japanese concept of, um and I don't know all of the pieces to it. So honestly, the people who know it well are are just going to tear me to shreds right now. um But it's basically taking a Venn diagram of like what you're good at and what you can be paid for and like how to make a living you know, doing what you love because, and also making a living kind of thing.
Ikigai and Starting Creative Projects
01:57:49
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And so it's about finding what you're good at as well as what you love. That's the thing that, that I'm trying to say that I forgot. yeah It's what you're good at and what you enjoy doing and what you can get paid to do. So when all of those things can join, then that is like a life purpose. Yeah.
01:58:10
Speaker
Perfect. Perfect. And it's as simple as that. You know what I mean? I think that in 2026, we make it a lot more complicated than that, but that's the beauty of this ancient traditional concept or whatever. I have lived by a very solid motto pretty much all of my life. Kiss.
01:58:31
Speaker
Keep it simple, stupid. It's just, you know, stick to what you're good at. There's no reason to, I mean, I guess if people any miss out on experiences, I understand that. But I can do what I'm good at and still have all kinds of fun experiences and branch out and try things that may or may not work. And this was a damn show was an experiment. And I originally started just by playing music. I was i was literally playing music, but then I had to find a loophole to stop getting my ass kicked by Facebook and YouTube. yeah
01:59:04
Speaker
Started playing cover songs because that was a loophole that I could get around like the copyright and stuff. And then i you know, just on a whim, I was like, I'm playing all these great covers by these great artists that nobody has any idea who they are.
01:59:21
Speaker
How about I start reaching out to them and start this show? And it was just kind of it started as one idea that turned into this. And this has been fantastic because I love getting hang out with you guys and chat with you guys and then continue to to to kind of watch you grow and do your thing, you know.
01:59:38
Speaker
my My own little way to go on the journey with you. And then we can help out as much as we can along the way. Yeah, it's funny. there There are so many cliches, you know, out there. And it it one of them is just start.
01:59:51
Speaker
Because at the end of the day, it's it's the action that is going to yield results. We can talk about it. We can sit here and write songs in our bedroom all day. But until we go out there and put it it out in the world and do all the things we need to do in order to do that, like...
02:00:09
Speaker
what Does it really exist? Yeah. you know um told that I'm the asshole friend because im i am a lot of times I tell people, stop talking about it. Don't talk about it. Just be about it.
02:00:20
Speaker
Just do it. i I fucking talked about podcasting for 10 years at least. And then it was just like, this is the mindset. I can talk about it all day long, but it's never going to happen. So now people are like, oh, you know, I really want to stop talking about it. Just do it. You're an asshole, Glick.
02:00:38
Speaker
I know, but I'm right because I lived the experience. I know. Yeah, I think it's something we all have to learn. But it just kind of depends on at like what point you learn it. I think, you know, some people teach those kinds of like skills because it is a skill, I guess, you know, to overcome fear. Just get out there and do it. Honestly, one of the biggest things I had to learn that I kind of was hoping I'd be able to drop in this was how to be a beginner.
02:01:09
Speaker
i had like a deep fear of being a beginner and not being like, good. Especially when you have natural talent in something, you don't want to be a beginner. You just want to come out the gate and be the star that you know you're meant to be.
02:01:26
Speaker
But that's one of those things that you learn, like, that's just not reality. That's not how it works. You're missing all this work behind the scenes. And part of that is being a beginner and just accepting that some of the stuff you put out is not going to be up to your own standards. Yeah.
02:01:42
Speaker
put it out anyway, because if you wait around until it's perfect, ah it's never going to get done. So as a recovering perfectionist, done is better than perfect. Again, there's a million cliches, but they're out there for a reason because it's it's all just like facts. It's reality of how the world works and how life works. So you know i get it No, um I do want to get ready to wrap this. I could talk to you for forever. this is you You are awesome.
02:02:15
Speaker
um I will say you are welcome back anytime. I would love to have you back again down the road. It's one of my favorite things is getting to bring guests back um and see what where you're at, what's going on, what's what's been happening, and just kind of catch up and shoot your shit. And and and the you know second time you come back or third or fourth or you know however many times I've got some repeat offenders, it's it's more just hanging out and catching up. I do really appreciate you coming on.
02:02:46
Speaker
Don't be a stranger. If there's anything we can do, you know, you got the new music coming out, you got the new video coming out. um'm I'm looking forward to that. Feel free to send it my way. We'll throw it up on the socials and share it out and make sure we tag you and all that stuff. Any shows or whatever, you know, whatever we can do or here, don't, don't be shy. That's, that's kind of the purpose of the show. And we want to, we
Reflecting on First Podcast Experience
02:03:07
Speaker
want to get you out there. we want people to come and see you when you're doing your shows and get you you know, help you get onto, get out of l LA. you You want to,
02:03:15
Speaker
travel and do all the things we gotta you gotta have an audience you gotta be able to put asses in seats so no thank you so much i cannot be more grateful for this actually but i didn't want to say at the beginning but this is actually my first ever like music podcast interview appearance thing um ever So this means so much to me. and I'm sure that it will be good for the, you know, socials. But I really do appreciate you having me on the show today. um It's been just one of the coolest things for me to kind of like take a moment to introduce myself and and go over some of the things in my life that like,
02:04:01
Speaker
Even if you have been following me, maybe you don't know. um But if you haven't been following me, you know, these are reasons to come check me out. So, um yeah, that's all I have to say is thank you. This has been awesome. Super fun. i'm like totally down to do it again. Definitely. Definitely. We will catch up here in a few months.
02:04:20
Speaker
I love when I get first timers that have never got to do something like this because. The bar is set high now. So any other podcasts coming down the road, I've set the bar very high. It's it's true. i mean, it again, like I've had those dreams about being famous. So just ah talking to anyone about my music is is the best experience for me. So thank you.
02:04:44
Speaker
Absolutely. I appreciate it. I'll be watching and I'm sure others will be watching as well as you as you do your thing. Again, thank you so much. you're you're You're welcome to drop down if you want. I just got to do my spiel and close the show out or you're welcome to hang out. Alrighty. Okay, cool. Well, thanks Glick. Yes, ma'am. Thank you.
02:05:07
Speaker
Appreciate y'all coming in and hanging out. If you're not already by now, make sure you guys go follow Heather um heather to the max she's easy to find trust me we've got her socials we got her facebook and instagram here in the chat for you guys um go give her a follow give her a like give her a share check out her music um and if you're in the area you know and you get the opportunity to see one of her shows definitely go do it um Be prepared to sweat because she has a ball of energy and she she has a lot of fun. um
02:05:44
Speaker
Thank you guys for hanging out with me again tonight. Tune in tomorrow night for Glick's Comedy Lounge. I will be hanging out with really funny comedian Bill Huebner.
02:05:58
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um He's going to come on. We're going chat about a little comedy, stand-up comedy, all that fun jazz. Unfortunately, this week, there are no Speedway stories. So hopefully Wally and Johnny will be back next week.
02:06:12
Speaker
I won't speak on the reason why. I'm sure Wally will update you guys when he gets back. But of course, what else do we have this week? ah ah Saturday is nonsensical nonsense.
02:06:26
Speaker
You know how we do. Saturday night, six hours. We like hanging out with you guys, so we drop the chat in the link, and or the link in the chat, sorry, and you guys can come up on panel and hang out with us.
02:06:38
Speaker
And don't forget, we always got the super chats. If you guys want to help support the shows and everything we do here, unfortunately, it's not free, but we do appreciate the support. And as our little token, on Saturday nights, if you are the highest super chatter, you have the opportunity to co-host on a show of your choice throughout the week with us.
02:06:58
Speaker
As long as you understand, it's not Saturday night, so you have to conduct yourself a certain type of way. And then maybe, maybe, I got to talk to Kayla, but maybe this Sunday. I don't know what our weekend looks like, but maybe this Sunday we can throw together a little beyond the veil. It's been a little hot minute, so with that being said,
02:07:18
Speaker
Thank you for hanging out here on the nonsensical network, listening to Glick's house of music, your unofficial backstage pass to all things music. And we're going to wrap up the show with another one of Heather's songs with, uh, at the end of the world is two of my favorite songs.
02:07:39
Speaker
So we will see you guys next Tuesday night. What do I got going on next Tuesday night? I know I got something going on next Tuesday night. Uh, Leah Martin. Leah Martin-Brown will be hanging out with me. So that'll be a really cool show, too.
02:07:51
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The ladies are coming out in full force on Glick's House of Music. This went one, one right after another. so yeah, be good. or Be good at it, baby. Enjoy the music.
02:08:10
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In the eye of the storm, you always get complacent. You always think you've got this then. The worst sneaks up on you. But at the end of the world, you'll be hiding in a basement.
02:08:22
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You'll be put around the face of the earth a breed for man.
02:08:31
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Be proud of this life you live when you go. Tell them all, you will see them on the other side. Once you figured out how to escape from this life.
02:08:44
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Ooh.
02:08:52
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Tell them all.
02:09:21
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Once you figured out how to escape from this love At the end of the world At the end of the world At the end of the world It's going down, it's going down I can't keep
02:09:54
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I can't keep my two feet on the ground At the end of the world At the end of the world At the end of the world It's going down At the end of the world At the end of the world
02:10:19
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Will you be proud of this life you live when you fall? Tell them all, you will see them on the other side Once you figured out how to escape from this life, I think another world At the end of the world
02:10:55
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are you stuck
02:11:18
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ah you stuck