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Episode 17; 6 Nations Round 1
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Now returning to our regularly scheduled programming. I know you're all disappointed James is not on this week, he did hint at a return at some point though. In the meantime, we're back to talk about all things 6 Nations, as well as what else happened in the rugby universe; U.S. Eagles, a nod to a world rugby legend, and player movement...hint one of their initials is E.D. And take a guess at what commentator has us all lit up and ready to smash.
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Transcript
Weekend Sports Recap
00:00:08
Speaker
Hey everybody, what's going on? It's the Fantasy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauser. Thank you very much for joining us. We are recording from just outside Boston, Massachusetts. It's Tuesday. It is Tuesday after the Super Bowl. I really hope you all are not hungover too much. So, and we'll get into the Super Bowl in a second, but yeah.
00:00:26
Speaker
I got this weekend was you know how sometimes you have a shot and then a chaser like you have to deal with the shit first. Yeah. And then, you know, you got to eat your can't have it can't have any pudding until you don't know. That's true. So we all know that that this weekend was the fucking opposite because it started out awesome because we had six nations. Yep.
00:00:50
Speaker
on on friday and then we had six nations on saturday yep and then we had the goddamn super bowl on sunday and now i'm not gonna i love football yeah american yeah america but but holy shit was that just a an ugly display of athleticism and and team sport yeah and i and i i completely blame the ramp well you know what hold on i can't do this in our current state we'll get to it in a second um so
Podcast Growth Celebration
00:01:21
Speaker
Pop our beers. We're going to remind while we do that, I'll remind you guys to find us on iTunes, Google Play, Spotify. Thank you all for the recent 50% bump in listener rate. Good Lord, we had.
00:01:34
Speaker
We had we had a huge bump in the last two episodes between The draft weird and the one with James. Maybe James bumped us. I don't know Yes, I don't know there's good looks come across on the pod. Yeah. Well, I mean I did put a picture out there I don't have that many people that followed me maybe but he did repost it. So maybe maybe that many people follow him. That's possible
00:02:00
Speaker
Back to the Super Bowl. What are we talking about? I say that. What are we talking about something?
NFL Coaching Critique
00:02:03
Speaker
Yeah. So my problem with the NFL these days, and this this bleeds over into other sports, too, is fucking cowboys and not the team, but the concept of shit coaches. And we all know I have. Well, you don't you may not know if you're listening.
00:02:23
Speaker
There are certain coaches that I don't like from the NFL, namely one, Mr. Andrew Reed, who currently has a city chiefs, who is an absolute cowboy. If you've never met Ben, you should know this by now. Garbage head coach. And part of that is comes down to the I need full control. I need to be the one calling the plays. I need to be the one making the adjustments. There's no trust in the goddamn player.
00:02:46
Speaker
Right. And to see that play out in the Super Bowl as the major reason that the Rams lost, where McVey didn't want to attack the Patriots the way that is successful against the Patriots. He wanted to do it his way. Everybody's
Rugby vs. NFL Coaching Methods
00:03:03
Speaker
plays better, right? Exactly. He must know everything.
00:03:06
Speaker
And not only that, but he played it in such a way that his quarterback could not make adjustments at the line. So there was no chance whatsoever that there was going to be much of a successful offense from the Rams. We figured that one out after like the first quarter. Yeah, you and I were sitting there as innocent bystanders that were just like, oh boy, we might be in for a long one tonight.
00:03:28
Speaker
So to me, I'm just pissed because and credits in New England. I'm not a Patriots fan, but these are mine. But but God damn it, if there's only one coach in the NFL, there is only one coach in the NFL. And it's because he can do a little bit of everything. He doesn't do any one thing and say, this is my system. This is it.
00:03:47
Speaker
Well, he said he said I have no problem stealing things that I see a week before and write me into our playbook. And the thing is, when you have that ability, when you're a jack of all trades and a master of none, you can you can come at teams differently every week and they can't really prepare for you, except if they actually think things through and say, hey, if I was him, how would I attack us?
00:04:07
Speaker
Nobody seems to do that. They always say, Oh, there's a system and this is how it's done. And I'm going to guard against this and that systems kill people. Systems are bullshit. Systems kill some players. Some players go to go to, you know, Never Neverland because of a system that just did them in.
00:04:24
Speaker
And that's bullshit because if you're, if you're a head coach, you, you change what you do based on your talent. So there was, I remember there was a great story about a Warren sap and when he went from Tampa Bay to the Raiders and he was yapping. I'm sure they, I guess they played against probably the Packers cause he and Brett Favre were great friends on the field.
00:04:44
Speaker
And there was a story about him saying farve told him during a game once when he was on the raiders He's like you got to get back into into that Tampa like a system like they had you playing in Tampa Bay Because it wasn't that he was any worse It was that they weren't using him and we're using properly to hit what makes him successful and fucking helmet of a coach does that Like oh i'm gonna take a fucking hall of fame player and i'm gonna make him do something. He's not great at doing No, no, no, you say I have this fucking hall of fame player and i'm gonna
00:05:11
Speaker
amplify his abilities to the best that I can that's what your job as a coach is it's not to make him do what you want him to do it's you make the team work and if if he's not successful then you're doing something wrong right all right that gets into other shit
00:05:28
Speaker
Well, we then we were talking about like, you know, that's the beautiful thing about rugby is you don't have a lot of room for trying to control what goes on on the field. You have to trust in your players and in your captain at the very, at the very least that what you want on the field is implemented.
00:05:45
Speaker
from training because you have got like half time adjustments for 10, 12 minutes. The half times in regular are actually fairly short. That's it. And if you don't have a clue what you're doing, then it's gonna come out because it happens in training. It comes out, if you train all week for the wrong thing or in the wrong ways, it rears its ugly head. So when you have no idea, it really turns into a little game.
00:06:12
Speaker
But if you've done your job as a coach, you've prepared your players for whatever is going to be in front of them. Now, to me, that's the job of a coach of anything is to if the players are prepared.
00:06:25
Speaker
Even if it's not what you've practiced this week and said, this is what our focus is going to be, all of a sudden at halftime, you can come off and say, all right, you know what? Fuck it. I fucked up. We're not going to do that again. We want to go back to this. And they should be able to do that. If you can't if your players can't do that, you haven't done your job as a coach. And I know I feel that I feel that way about our the last match we played. Right. Which sucked because there were there were parts of what happened and I'm not going to get into details, but that
00:06:54
Speaker
I was like, oh shit, I could have helped with this. There's little things I could have done to help change the outcome of the game. You always kick yourself about the match that goes awry anyway. Exactly. But it is what it is. But that is how I grow as a coach, is by saying, oh, I didn't do that. I had that blind spot.
00:07:13
Speaker
I'll fix that happens. Yeah. Yeah. But that's how, that's how you learn. But that's how you get better. Yeah. To come away from it, sink thinking, well, I did everything right. Get off your fucking high horse. Yeah. You didn't do your job and you didn't prepare your players. They don't know how to play this specific thing. And that's, it is what it is. Yep.
00:07:35
Speaker
which to me now relates to someone who considers himself an expert because there are a lot of coaches. I think they're expert. There are a lot of former players that they in all aspects, I think they're experts. And does being a former player in any sport make you an expert on that sport?
00:07:52
Speaker
It makes you an expert on how to play during the time that you played, if anything else, what the game was like the way when you played it. If you stop your growth there and say,
00:08:07
Speaker
This is this is all it needs to be right then what the fuck you do. You're no longer an expert Yeah, right you are the game has passed you by that's when the game passes you by is when you say I'm gonna be stagnant in what I do right and what I believe and That kind of gets into one of the matches. We'll talk about yeah, and I want to
Controversial Rugby Commentators
00:08:25
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kind of get into that. Yeah Let's get into this
00:08:28
Speaker
Stupid helmet it was just it was just today. That was this whole thing just kind of came to surface. So Good Lord are the the fantasy rugby yanks favorite announcer. We have our favorite commentators My god favorite commentator Austin Healy goes goes off on on multiple people on Twitter today Because it was Sam Peters was one the science the the sports scientist was another and then the guy that
00:08:55
Speaker
Ran the podcast was the one that started the whole thing and he just like Just this is about Um To a laggy's clear out. Yeah on stock stockdale. Yeah Yeah, it wasn't much but it probably should have that pen. It absolutely should have been a penalty. Yeah, no arms and just Shoulder on yeah, like first off not smart. That would have been a penalty 15 years ago It probably could have been a no arms. So yeah, it could have been a yellow today
00:09:24
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I mean, it definitely should have been with Garces. It might have been, you know, exactly. Because we all saw he was happy to go to the yellow for first. Yeah, we'll get into that when we get into the game. A relatively minor infraction we should say.
00:09:36
Speaker
But yeah, to go off and say, Oh, I'm an expert. I played for X many years and I've commentated on this many things. No, dude, you're just some guy who's talking about it. If you don't know the rules that the way the game is played today. And there's a reason because it's not safe. Yeah. You can knock the shit out of somebody and wrap your arms.
00:09:55
Speaker
And it's fine. But you make the same play and you don't wrap your arms, you just throw a shoulder at him. Well, where are you hitting? Where's your target? Yeah, they start looking at that stuff when that happens. Was he hitting high? He kind of ducked his head into it too. That would have been a flag in the NFL. Yeah, exactly.
00:10:16
Speaker
You know, is he hitting is he hitting low will be one that they start to look at too because knees obviously are a problem For many many reasons. So well, but there's a nice Squishy middle. Yeah, I know Some of these guys might not be too squishy shoulders or his legs
00:10:35
Speaker
So that's the best place to hit rap. Do what you got to do. Don't go high. Wrap your arm. I just he portrays such an arrogance that he is such a know it all. And I know he's trying to get everybody else to feed into him because he feeds off that. You can't help but when the guy is just an absolute jackass, you know, you just can't help yourself sometimes. So I don't blame guys like Peters and this. I don't remember the other two people's names.
00:11:02
Speaker
But I don't blame any of them for going in on him because he needs a good check. And I hope that maybe one day his employer, BT, actually give him a check and be like, dude, you have to stop. Because yes, we like the fact that you're getting people and talking rugby, but if it's going to be a detriment to our network, then we're going to have to get rid of you.
00:11:23
Speaker
I'm not sure if this would cause like the world to celebrate or if it would cause the destruction of the planet. But I think we need to get Austin Healy and Skip Bayless into a room to go. Oh my God. That's a great idea. That's a great idea. Oh my God. I never even thought of that. Yes. Put those two idiots in a room and let them talk about things that neither one of them know a thing about and it'll be entertaining. You know what? Tell them they're going to be recording a podcast.
00:11:50
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Or something. Put it on pay-per-view. And then you never, never release it. You just let them talk and talk and talk in a room and they will, they'll have fun with their hot takes and their stupidity. Oh God. And they'll amuse themselves. Oh my gosh. Yeah. And that'll be that. We never have to deal with them again. I would be so happy. And you know what? They'd probably say something really dumb that they wouldn't want to get out there either. And that would just be the end of them. And I'd be probably pretty happy about it, honestly, especially with the two of them.
00:12:17
Speaker
Oh my god, that was yeah. No, I uh I'm I don't I don't want to boycott every match that austin healy calls, but man, I am just like so annoyed I am so sick of him go have dude go put another poop in your shoe and deal with it All right. Well, let's let's let's switch gears a little bit to something positive Yeah, because we've we've done enough negative. Yeah for now trying to kill it off, right? Right
00:12:40
Speaker
Any positive news from today? We did get some positive
Rugby Player Moves and Retirements
00:12:44
Speaker
news. What would that be? We got some good, we got some positive news that started to trickle down yesterday and I almost pooped myself a little bit, speaking of poo. That's not the news. Unexpectedly, at least. Let's put it that way. If I know it's coming, it's one thing. If it surprises me, that's not fun. I only like to poop myself when I know I'm pooping myself. I know I need to go change and I'm ready for it, but not like, uh-oh.
00:13:09
Speaker
I'm in the car. This is not good. So yesterday we got the news that the worst kept secret in England at least. Elliot Daly was leaving his club Wasp. And then... Who would leave Wasp? Besides everybody. Besides a lot of people lately. And then of course today the news broke that he has
00:13:28
Speaker
Decide he's putting on a black black uniform at Ellyons Park. Welcome to the Saratons Elliott We will we are happy to have you and you know if it means somebody has to leave we'll see be sad to see them go yeah, because we love all our players, but I'm excited to see him in there and see what he does with the likes of Tompkins and Lazowski and even if Barrett plays for another year, you know, it'll be it'll give us a and then you know, we obviously bump them backwards to after it to be
00:13:58
Speaker
Tutoring thompkins on yeah And hopefully they're working together already, but I'm sure Farrell to thompkins to daily and then with the bet wherever they have it, you know, wherever they want to put their roster at wing and fullback Yeah, have fun. Goody elite fullback, but damn. Yeah, we got these so we got options we got options I gotta imagine Dave shuttles probably not gonna be long for the for you know playing either I love strats, but you know, you just gotta know you're probably done. Yeah, I
00:14:25
Speaker
And that's OK. You know, he can walk away having a feeling like he had a good, really good career. He's got a couple of trophies to his name. Absolutely. He's OK. He'll be all right. And then we also had so the one you sent me right after Daly announced he was leaving was was the Bears. Yeah. Was Bristol. Oh, they're announcing something in 20 minutes. I'm thinking, oh, no, that's right. That better not be him. That better not be Elliot Daly.
00:14:48
Speaker
No, and then I the best thing you can do on those is click on it and because there's usually people that are in the know, right a little bit better than us and Lo and behold, it's Dave Atwood, which is a great signing for them because he's a solid player, you know, probably probably could still play for English if you wanted to So that that'll be good for Bristol assuming that they don't drop by at least at this point We we've had a pretty good discussion about that. They probably won't
00:15:12
Speaker
And then, um, the Irish are ready to move up. Yeah. Well, we have, they signed Nick Phipps and Rota. So that was, that'll be a big one for them. They're making plans. Well, they better not screw that up though. They drop with that crew. They're going to be in trouble. Yeah. I know that they're going to be financial trouble. That's for sure. Um, and then Brody Vitalik. Yeah. Coming to, coming to England, playing for sale. Wow.
00:15:35
Speaker
Wow. Sail making moves. They are. Making some serious moves. Obviously not being screwed around too bad. Their coach doesn't have a freaking clue what he's doing. But yeah, they need to fix that. They need to fix that. Yeah. But I mean, you've got I mean, you have Brody Vitalik who was who's a former world player of the year. Right. And then you have a guy like Chris Ashton and, you know, some pretty handy backs back there. AJ. Yeah. Of course AJ. Don't sell AJ short. Of course not AJ. AJ had a great weekend. But yeah, so it'll be
00:16:05
Speaker
Sale might not be somebody to mess with maybe top six maybe top four next year We'll see gloss just gonna have to pick it up a little yeah, they're gonna have to really start moving some trees here
00:16:15
Speaker
12 of them. Yeah. So I told you that he is, his dad married his mom and took his mom's name because his dad's like a tree scientist or a wood scientist or something like that, or a tree surgeon. So that's why he took, and that was his mom's last name. And I was like, that actually makes a lot of sense. That's pretty funny. Yeah. And like he had his own business or something like that. I was like, well, I don't blame you. I don't blame you one bit.
00:16:42
Speaker
It's good for marketing. Yeah, right. So I want to give a tip of the cap. We didn't talk about it last week because we were talking to a lot of Six Nations to a player that has hung them up recently. Rachu, Nimani, Druyu, Nasiang, Vivi. I totally butchered that. Sorry, buddy.
00:17:07
Speaker
known as the money Nando big giant for G and winger measures about six five played for bait played for Fiji in two World Cups played for a lot of clubs including Crusaders and I'm trying to think the other ones they played Montpelier played for Exeter Chiefs back on the day for a while he has a
00:17:31
Speaker
He has a decent record with 30 matches played for Fiji 19 tries nice so, you know, not quite a mat a try a match but On a team like Fiji. That's a good strike rate. It is had a I just remember him, you know, he was a
00:17:48
Speaker
amazing player to watch the dude was, I mean, the Phrygians as they do, they offload left and right and they, and it's like nothing to them. It's nothing, not anything. So to watch a man that large play wing and do the things he did was so entertaining. So, um, I just wanted to give a tip of the cap to Nemanin Ndolo, a happy retirement, big guy. He retired.
00:18:10
Speaker
for injury reasons, so he's probably not going to be able to join up with BG for the World Cup. Happy retirement, dude. You've earned your rest. It's a great job. All right. Let's get to Friday night.
00:18:30
Speaker
Oops, maybe too fast. Yeah. Oh man. Well, first half was great. Yes, it was. Well, it's 24 in France 19. Um, I bet you France is going to rue this one for a long time because they should have, they should have finished these guys off and they just couldn't, I just couldn't. I don't, I don't know. Basically the momentum and they had control of the game.
00:18:55
Speaker
And they just couldn't put it away. They gave away the whole bunch.
Six Nations Team Analysis
00:19:00
Speaker
Well, two tries. Two tries, really. Really. I mean, North can thank the whole French team, basically. Everything comes down to their ability to organize. It goes back to what I was saying. Organize as a team. Get them all on one page and just working together.
00:19:16
Speaker
Fuck, they couldn't even figure out who their captain was. No, they couldn't. Vamina was apparently captain and didn't know he was captain until Wayne Barnes asked for a decision and he said, oh, as the captain, Wayne Barnes says, oh, you're the captain. He's like, what? So the foul, how do you, I know when I coach, I have, there are four guys on the field that know if one goes down, you're the next in pecking order. You should have at least that many. And there's no way that they had that many guys that got pulled or went down. So good Lord.
00:19:50
Speaker
their club sides. And I wasn't watching that closely. Is the French national teams, their head coach on the sideline too? Or does he sound in the box? I think he's in the box. I didn't see him on the sideline. I was just thinking, because you had mentioned that how many French coaches sound on the sideline. If you have people down on the sideline, and you definitely have the water boys and the runners who set up the message. The Medics, even all that, yeah. How does the word never get out there?
00:20:06
Speaker
And aren't the code well, I don't know about the we know about the
00:20:17
Speaker
Yeah, that's that's really bad. Jacques Brunel. Try again, dude. Try again. Although that's still the second worst communication error that in decision making. Yeah. Of course, the other one also. Poor guy. Oh, man. I saw that. I show you that. Don't don't don't pass along. Don't pass along. Don't pass along. Don't pass along. I mean, here we go. Oh, no. It was it was the only because
00:20:45
Speaker
North they were overloaded on that side. They all they had to do was move it through the hands those hands they were done Yeah, and North just said you know what? I have two options here I can either try and cut this thing off or we're gonna get burned So he just tried to cut it off and fell right into his hands. So thank you. Bye. Bye So no, I mean North was gifted two tries good for him Yeah, but you know what he has to finish them and he has right especially the first one that he has to put the effort in to chase down you Jay Yes, otherwise he doesn't get pressure on him. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I was gonna expect you Jay to shit the bed like that man
00:21:15
Speaker
Talk about dildo hands. Whoo. From a wing, too. First off, there were two that happened like this this weekend. Yep. He slid, right? Yeah, he does. He slid and it popped off his hand because he didn't really. Yeah, he didn't. Oh, no. He didn't kind of curl his body around it. He just kind of slid into it and used his arms to try to stop the ball. I mean, it wasn't as bad as the other one that we'll get to later. Right.
00:21:42
Speaker
But still how the fuck did like if you do certain things, right? How does that how do you lose that ball? What was yeah? No, just he knew he went and goofed when he turned around and the ball was basically gonna I just I don't know if that actually hurt him fantasy wise. No, I'm speaking as one of the people I started him. So yeah
00:22:04
Speaker
Yikes, he actually did okay. That's not that bad. He did just fine for me Liam Williams had a nice game. He was uh, I saw something like Reliable and it was somebody put up the differently. Oh, what's the definition reliable Liam Williams under the high ball? Yeah, he did really well back there makes me glad he's playing in the black shirt, right? I
00:22:26
Speaker
Yeah, the guy had a freaking nice game. He probably should have had a try. He completely botched it. But man, other than that, he did a really good job. And then do do France need Bastero? What do you made a difference?
00:22:44
Speaker
That's actually that was gonna be my question is and I don't know if you would have made a difference It was that wasn't there was no one point if Bastros in that game does I mean a throw that pass. I don't know Yes, he does. I mean he probably still does still does. Yeah, I don't think it stops him from throwing that pass If Bastros in the game does UJ drop that ball? I don't I don't think so. I don't think it matters. I don't think that matters. So really exactly so the things that killed France and
00:23:13
Speaker
But it seemed like their intensity came down after half, like they did not come out of the locker room hot by any means, and whales came out on fire.
00:23:32
Speaker
extra hot yeah I don't know I don't I don't know I mean whales were a little flat but I mean we talked about guys that you'll run your head through a wall for Alan when Jones is definitely one of those guys that you will do that for he was a
00:23:47
Speaker
He was looking pretty good and he's uh... He got Barnesy to call him all. Yeah, that's true. He did. That's right. He's yelling it. He's like, mall, sir, mall. He's somewhat held up and there's Alan Wayne going, mall. And Barnesy's like, okay, okay. Yeah, I guess you're right. I don't know. He's like, well, I wasn't sure I was going to call the mall. I'm definitely doing it now.
00:24:08
Speaker
Well, yeah, right. It's like, OK, I guess I don't want says it's a mall, so I'm going to call it a mall. Yeah, you help make you cower in certain ways. Kick the tea was not working for anybody except one guy. Damn bigger. He hit the most difficult kick on the it was the most difficult kick that was hit on the day that he hit. That was pretty much the clincher. So actually, there's a good question. Bigger coming on changed the game.
00:24:35
Speaker
So I don't know Yeah, you know what? It's probably it was the right move for hit for whales because he has a his style he can manage the game a little better and scum is in there and it's to go downhill just to go downhill and put points on the board, but I I don't I think
00:24:56
Speaker
This will be a shock to everybody. I'm going to give Warren Gatlin credit for making that change because the weather and the way the game was going didn't call for Anscombe. It called for a guy like Dan Bigger who has the ability to make the tactical kicks and make the adjustments and just let his team play and direct the traffic. He's not looking to necessarily make anything. He can, but it doesn't happen often.
00:25:20
Speaker
Right. Well, plus against a team like France that we know has organizational issues, you want to get that ball, put that ball up, put it in space, make them because, you know, you kick it deep, you kick it high. Now the team has to play together. You have the one guy who might feel that kick, but now you have to have the support. You have to have the organization around that. That's really where you stress the team's organization is with that kick.
00:25:46
Speaker
And that's, you know, so it's not just the weather, it's the opponent that bigger made it, you know. So to me, if we're talking about what made a bigger impact in the game, I would say bigger coming on would have been, it was bigger than Basturo's impact would have been the other way.
00:26:05
Speaker
pun intended. Big R was big. Yeah, the dude was played a great game. It shows that Wales does have a little depth when they can call on him and Anscombe to be guys to real and you know, Reece Priestlin still sitting in an armchair somewhere at home too. You could probably get it done if things went really, really bad. So shows that they have a little bit of depth in certain positions, which is good in certain positions.
00:26:32
Speaker
Yeah. Bad news for the French though. I mean, more bad news. Marchand, Ni, out for the season. So here's another microcosm of France. So they call him Camille Schatt, who is the Rossinghooker. He's on holiday. He won't be there till Thursday. He won't be able to join up with the team until Thursday.
00:26:53
Speaker
Where the fuck is he? I don't know, but you can't join up with the team until that's so very French Yeah, it's so very French as they say how French yeah our our friend at the other pod He was just to get it dig into him a little bit. He was mad about daily
00:27:14
Speaker
I mean, I think it's not just about daily. I think it's just the mass exodus at WOS. And it's just one more thing. He's just continuing to profess his love for WOS, too, which isn't helping his cause. No, you get it. You love your old squad, but there's something wrong there because everybody's leaving. Something's in the water.
00:27:35
Speaker
Something's bad. Maybe I mean well see then the thing is as respect as he is maybe he's got Given an inkling that he might be on his way out For whatever reason. I don't know. I don't know if that's true. I mean if you can't retain if you can't retain Your long-term players. Well, you're talking about a daily who's an Academy player Yeah, and the rumor is that the the next rumor on the way out is another big one Joe Launchbury
00:28:01
Speaker
Well, that would be devastating. Yeah. I mean, you talk about so you talk about Hughes, LaRue, whatever. I mean, he's he's gone. You know, he was he was here for he was only here for three years. He's not like a product or anything like that. We talk about Hughes who joined when he was young. You talk about Daley, who was an academy product. Launchbury, who's been a staple in this team. If all these guys are leaving, there is something wrong. And Christian Wade and I mean, that's the difference. That's a different circumstance. And I don't count that. I'm sorry. Yeah. OK, I'm with you there.
00:28:31
Speaker
There's something going on in the water over there. It was so that's problematic And they that's something they got to sort out. Yeah, absolutely
00:28:38
Speaker
Um, so let's go through some fancy numbers real quick. Uh, I didn't do the, the team of the week. So six nations on rugby mag does have a team of the week. I'll run through it real quick. Um, uh, boy, Mako Bonapolo from the England prop with 46, Stuart McAnally with 29, the Scottish hooker, uh, Simone Ferrari, the Italian prop with 22. James Ryan, uh, the Irish second row with 28. Grant Kilchrist from Scotland with 29 in second row. Mark Wilson with 34. He had a lot of frigging tackles. That helps. Great job.
00:29:05
Speaker
Arthur Etturia from France with 35, the number seven, Louis Picamo with 45, big day for him. The eight man from France, Connor Murray despite the loss, nice day for him, 37, the scrum half from Ireland. Ben Russell at 10 for Scotland. Blair Kinghorn with 70. If you, Captain Hymn, good for you for rolling that dice because woo wee, it paid off.
00:29:30
Speaker
I bet you there's a team that has him as captain. I think it's time to start wingers against Italy. Yeah, definitely. I'm not sure they get King Horn's one that you want to ride. Let's put it that way. You might look well. I'll take it for the day. Let's not expect a repeat performance. No, probably not. I probably won't play him again.
00:29:48
Speaker
especially against the irish no um sam johnson the center for scotland as well uh 24 henry slade another big day for for an english player uh 37 the center from england johnny may also a big day for england 44 winger from england and stewie hog 44 the fullback from scotland huggie huggie huggie so there you go um points in this game where um actually not not so this is a game that um
00:30:15
Speaker
There were you we can see it there's notable players, but there's a couple guys that came off the bench Lambie and saran saran with 22 especially I did note that he was kind of a little more active than para I like para there's nothing wrong with para, but I he was a little more active than him and It certainly helped also nobody could hit the damn target so that that didn't help pars cut case at all no um
Possible Lineup Changes and Game Highlights
00:30:40
Speaker
Louie Pete like we talked about leave peak mode 45 at area with 35 Bama Hina despite the terrible terrible decision to make that pass 27 UJ with 24 gear auto before that's the problem is like Bahmina and UJ actually had decent games aside from their gigantic please screw up Absolute bombs gear out of the French captain with 22 or
00:31:07
Speaker
Anyway, they're starting hooker, 22. Wesley Pofano with 22 and Lambie and Saran with 22 each off the bench. Lambie probably won't make a case to start, but Saran might. We'll see. La crunch this week, so we'll see what happens.
00:31:23
Speaker
For the Welshman there weren't as many names to know but there was some still some big scores George North with 35 Liam Williams with 27 Josh Navi to you with 27 26 rather Justin tip Rick with 25 tip Rick had an solid game not a other worldly game but certainly a solid name game for them Alan Jones with 24 and Thomas Allen with
00:31:44
Speaker
Thomas Williams, sorry. Sorry, Thomas Williams, 22. It was a bit of a surprise to see him in there on the nine shirt and not Gareth Davies, but it's the partnership with Anscombe that probably got him in that shirt because Davies plays with Scarlett, not the Blues.
00:32:03
Speaker
And Navidi and Tipperick definitely, I would say, we had talked about Tommy. Tommy, yeah. And whether or not. Too bad you didn't get in this game. Yeah.
00:32:18
Speaker
But they definitely showed, you know, to me, I love to see him play. Those guys were were fucking work horses. And so I'm like, OK, I'll you understand. I know I'm not sure that walking belongs on the bench, but I think Tommy Young can certainly do a little bit more.
00:32:35
Speaker
So here's the problem if Watkin can do everything or a lot of things Tommy young's probably only a seven So if you have your choice seven, then you might be so he might be so well for a little while Maybe he gets maybe gets the game against Italy, which is this week. So we'll see. Yeah, that'd be nice I think I think that'd be good for him a shot get him. It's like we said last week It's a training run get him get him cap tied at least. Yeah, jeez him get him get him tied to the team and
00:33:01
Speaker
Yeah. And, and also get him in the system. Like, you know, this was his first time with them. Yep. So yeah, I can understand that you might not want to play him against France, but when you go up against the, the Italy's. Especially on a Friday night at Stade de France. See what he can do. In Rome, in Rome is a, is a challenge, but it's not an otherworldly challenge like Stade de France. Right.
00:33:25
Speaker
It's the easiest road match you're going to play in the 60s. So we'll see what they bring. We'll see what the Italians bring. They, they kinda, we'll get into them right now. Scotland and Italy, they, they didn't show a lot of bite to start, but they finished a little stronger than they started for sure. They showed that they don't, they don't want to quit, which is something I could, I would say is probably stereotypical of Connor O'Shea.
00:33:50
Speaker
Um, he he was certainly a guy that never quit when he was when he was coaching any other team or playing even so right I mean they they scored two in the last Uh, what five well six minutes and there was a sin been in there as well Yeah for um, right so let's not let's I I would say pump the brakes on them showing fight at the end more than scotland basically just saying yeah, okay Well, we have a man in the bin this game the game is no longer in doubt
00:34:21
Speaker
I'm trying to get the opposite side. Scott just kind of said, yeah, we're good. We got this one. Let's not do something stupid and get hurt. Let's play a little bit safer and move on. We got this in the bag.
00:34:38
Speaker
We have to talk about him. Man, the match. King Horn. He was king. All right. Oh my God. Hattrick. I mean, a couple, one of his runs was definitely his doing. He was the beneficiary of, uh, an overlap that he, that he finished. And then. Finn Russell. We talked about Stuart Hart being, being a magician, the kick that he put in.
00:35:05
Speaker
Horn didn't have to break stride. He just walked into the ball and said, oh wow, look at this pretty thing I got here. And I'll dot this down, done. It's like, there are people that can't throw that. There are people that can't throw that. We got a Super Bowl joke in there. Oh boy, that was bad.
00:35:32
Speaker
Yeah, I'm still not over it. I see that. I mean, listen, I was sitting right there. Yeah, that's true. Anyway, shit. Now I can't remember where the hell it was. The kick out. Yeah, it was it was a great it was a fantastic kick. I mean, and Hogg obviously had his at his moment. He had the nice little two finger dot down that he had on the was it King one that kicked him through there? Not King one. Was it Russell that kicked that too, I think. Yeah, either either that or one of the centers did maybe. But yeah.
00:36:01
Speaker
And he should have had another it was called called back. It was called for for shepherding. Oh, yeah. He had the gap and the Italian player went out of his way to push the. I couldn't tell who it was. Scratch player. Yeah, that was in front of him.
00:36:17
Speaker
And and either way he would like that that tackle is not on hog was not being made probably not I mean again that that's just that would have been insult on injury for Luke Pierce probably felt bad. Yeah I was you know, I and I I've had my shots at Luke Pierce as an international referee. I thought he did a pretty good job with this one Garces, yeah
00:36:39
Speaker
Well, the the Scotland yellow card was probably it was a pretty dumb one. I don't remember who it was. It was the backup prop It was 18 had it It was uh Bergen, yeah Yeah, it was guy on his knees. Not really part of the rock was he technically part of the rock not facing him and Hit him like right in the back. I was like, dude like You weren't gonna affect the ball. You weren't gonna affect the rock. He wasn't affecting the rock
00:37:09
Speaker
And I know you're trying to get this ball blocked and you're trying to prove yourself, but man, that was bad. I was like, dude, that can hurt somebody really, really bad. So it was the right decision, a yellow card. I think that would have been a yellow card in any match. So that was pretty ugly. I hope that guy remembers to not do that again.
00:37:28
Speaker
Laidlaw. What are you doing? He's a prop though. Yeah, silly, silly front rows. Laidlaw versus Price. And obviously Laidlaw played the majority of this one and he's the... He laid down the law. Yeah, he's the, he's the incumbent, but...
00:37:43
Speaker
I i'd be interested to see He and price won't start this week and I can guarantee you laid law does especially at home Um, but if things kind of go awry with a wounded animal walking through the doors Um If maybe price you know If he if he gets a shot I think you give Well this week and it means really this week alone. Um, you give laid law
00:38:13
Speaker
every chance you can to To get it right if things aren't going right. Yeah, and then you know I so i'm not saying, you know, certainly not a quick hook and I wouldn't even give him a medium hook um I'd give him You know if by like the 50th minute things are going right. That's when you start considering it and then maybe You know, he'd give him like the next 10 minutes to see if he can get it right maybe five depending on how bad it's going
00:38:42
Speaker
But if he's do if it's if it's going well, then you leave well enough alone. Okay? Yeah, cuz I think he's you just played he I thought he played a great game Yeah, I mean, it's again it was gonna be opposite it there's yeah, and there's different there's different styles to the two of them which is probably Gregor Townsend's benefit Ali price can bring the energy if he needs to and he's got you know, he'll make those darts and make those those little picking goes or showing goes that
00:39:08
Speaker
You don't think about with a great regulated law because he just doesn't do them. Right. But is that going to work against Ireland who would just like to snot people? Probably not. Like I said, that's probably not. Oh, you're going to show and go? No, you're just going to show and then I'm going to put you on your back. I'm not certain that that's a great style just against the opponent. Probably not. Probably not against that part. That's for sure.
00:39:34
Speaker
Geraldine and Parise, two brilliant players that play fantastic rugby for their clubs. It's just really, really unfortunate to see them play, have to go through these guys. Right. Cause it's like the two of them and then. Everybody else. Yeah. Like, and they're obviously, we were talking about Parise last week, like.
00:39:55
Speaker
He's been immense for so many years and you don't understand how he's still doing it and how he isn't older than he is. We thought he was at least pushing 40 in his mid 30s. It's like, damn, how is he still doing this? I mean, getting picked for your first World Cup when you're 17-ish is probably gonna help you out with that one.
00:40:16
Speaker
And they, you know, we noted last week how many puppies they have. They do. So it's letting them write at this point. Yeah. So it's going to be a process. It will be. And they're they have the roles of.
00:40:32
Speaker
They have to carry the team, but also. Guide the team. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot to help them grow because it's like one of these. Look, it's not going to happen in my lifetime or at least the career lifetime. Yeah. But but preparing the next generation to be better than you get to get to a knockout round and a World Cup. And, you know, they've they've had what 13 of the last like 15 wooden spoons or something like that. So not great.
00:40:57
Speaker
So they're going to get it again. But if, again, if things work out right with the puppies, if they grow into dogs, then they're looking at moving up in the world. Yeah, be nice for them. Hopefully that works out for them. And I do feel for reasons in particular.
00:41:18
Speaker
Yep, absolutely. Um, let's go through this. Did he play a hell of a match? Yeah, of course he did. He never doesn't. Right. You know, that's the thing. Um, let's go through the scores real quick for our share from our friends at rugby mag. Like we said, Kinghorn with a big 70. Thank you Blair. Kinghorn using my lineup.
00:41:35
Speaker
Um as with stewart hog, um, josh drouse with 30 off the bench sam skinner came off with a really unfortunate looking ankle injury He didn't look happy yet. I don't think he'll be out for too long, but he's definitely gonna miss this coming weekend Uh, I would I would wager as much. Uh, wp now is probably out for the tournament because of a cap Um, they've already called some they've already called guys up in their places. I just don't remember who yeah, is that achilles
00:41:58
Speaker
Yeah, calf Achilles. Yeah. Yeah, low lower leg muscle Soft tissue I wasn't sure if that was like a long-term injury. It might be okay firm WP now. Yeah, I might be I Don't I don't think skinners is So Strauss with 30 Stuart McAnally with 29 I played him at the wing at the flanker position like we talked about Me too
00:42:24
Speaker
Yeah. Gilchrist with 29. Laidlaw with 29. Finn Russell with 26. Jimmy Richie with 25. Ryan Wilson with 24. Sam Johnson with 24. My threshold in this was above 20. So not 20, but above 20. So that's what I went with. So yeah, I mean, obviously, if you started any of the back three for this team, you probably get paid off between, especially between Kinghorn and Hogg.
00:42:54
Speaker
And not so much have you started Hugh Jones. Yeah. What'd you have like four from him? Big. Yo, yo. Single digits is never a fun thing to get in this one. Yeah, I'm kind of done with with Hugh Jones after his turn in my champions cup. And now this I think as I don't say that as a player, I mean that as a fantasy player. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Like I still need for Hugh Jones on my fantasy team going forward. Yeah, he's he's still a decent player this week. Yeah, you might be. You might be the one guy that does well against Ireland. We'll see.
00:43:22
Speaker
Esposito for Italy, Esposito with 36, Palazzani with 30, Hayward with 28, Negri with 26, Cece with 24, Stain with 23, Parise with 23, Ferrari with 22, he was in the team of the week, and Patavani with 22 off the bench.
00:43:38
Speaker
They had a small issue Tabaldi their scrum half dropped out right like right before kickoff for the back issue He's actually gonna miss this week as well, and they didn't really have a backup nine prepared So they went into this game with one scrum half so poor poor guy had to play the whole game And I'm sure he would have loved to get out of there once Scotland started running away with it Yeah, you know that's one of those games you like all right. Give me give me off, please
00:44:03
Speaker
Is there a hole on the field somewhere that I can just dive into? We've all been there. Something to that effect. So yeah. So Scotland 33, England 20. Scotland are technically top of six nations, but it's one game. And so everybody that's in the in the great north of the UK, calm down. I don't think they're going to get over their skis on this one.
00:44:28
Speaker
You know, I would imagine and knowing several Scottish people myself, I can't imagine that they're overly confident, not that they're and I mean that by overly confident. I could be like, oh, we're going to kick it. Let's pump the brakes. I'm sure they're not going to control themselves a little bit and be like, oh, we want France. So now we're going to. Yeah. We're going to win the situation. Chill. Let's calm that down.
00:44:52
Speaker
Calm down. But yeah, Scotland, if anything, they'll be like, yeah, that'll be the only game we win this year. Maybe, maybe we'll see. Anything at home is probably up in the air. Anything on the road is their problem. So like they have to play England at Twickenham. Good luck.
00:45:10
Speaker
Yeah. Especially if England play like they did this last weekend, which let's talk about that right now. Yes. Ireland 20, England 32, and what electricity going through that stadium, certainly at the beginning.
England's Rugby Strategy and Player Resilience
00:45:25
Speaker
That's one of those things. If you
00:45:28
Speaker
We're watching that game and you were actually like paying attention to it and like into it and you didn't have like Any sort of like goosebumps or heartbeat? Man, your heart must be made of like stone or something. Yeah Wow, I think actually that's what you not just said maybe that's where I got that from
00:45:44
Speaker
Well, it was funny to see our two English pals didn't celebrate once until the final whistle. Oh, they were not about it. They were just like, I'm not getting ahead of myself. I'm not getting ahead of myself. They were like, please, please just let us finish this. It didn't matter if they had a 12-point lead with, more than that, however long to go. Right. They were still on, you know, who the fuck knows? They're like, no, no, don't tell me that. Right.
00:46:12
Speaker
Oh man, but I mean England's defense, I mean credit to John Mitchell and Eddie Jones that they came out and really smashed and obviously they freaking came out hot. Johnny May over the line in under 90 seconds. Yeah. Woo. That was very quick start. Woo. And great way to. That's that's the way you want to. That's the way you want to start a match in in Dublin. Yeah. When you're away from home, especially in a place like the Aviva. Right. For sure.
00:46:39
Speaker
For so many reasons. Yeah momentum and and and just getting that that You know those first points on board they can be even if you start to feel like they come to take forever Right, even if it's not the first point of the game getting the first points for your team Early is huge just to get it out of the way. So but that you know It had the the job of doing both So yeah, we got them on the board and on the board first and on the board right away and help to set the tone Absolutely
00:47:08
Speaker
Because now Ireland's chasing you and because Ireland as we talked in the past couple of weeks leading up to this is that they will
00:47:17
Speaker
They'll choke you to death if they can. Yeah. They love doing that. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, they'll suffocate you. Right. So getting those points now that takes them out of that ability. Now they have to chase your point. Right. They can't just sit back and say, yeah, right. Well, we'll play defense and then at the end we'll pop one over and win or we'll get points on and then just have you chasing us with penalty kicks or something like that. And
00:47:44
Speaker
So to take to put points on first and that early for Alan was I think Was bigger than big? Yeah Curry's yellow card Right wrong wrong. Yeah wrong all day penalty. I thought a penalty was stretching it. Honestly, I thought it was probably about right he was it wasn't high but you know, I understand what Garces saw but at the same time like you know, it was
00:48:14
Speaker
So there was the conversation that I was having with somebody about like, oh, well, you know, if you want to open up the game and to get more attack, you know, you got almost treat like yellow cards like a power play. That is the, I'm sorry. That's the dumbest frigging sentiment out there. And if the person that said that's listening, sorry buddy, you are way off base. I don't care how much rugby you think you know. Right.
00:48:34
Speaker
That's not what this game's about. And yes, okay, you want to get offense. We cannot look to create entertainment and offense for the detriment of the game. And if you're doing that, we're doing it wrong. Simple as that, we're doing it wrong. If it takes a little bit more time.
00:48:51
Speaker
to get the game a little bit more out there without that, fine. Let's do it the right way. Let's not artificially create offense. Right. If you're doing that, you're going to have to change the timing. So a power play in hockey is two minutes. Yeah. That's not an eighth of the game. No. No, no, no. Let's not do that. You have to change the timing of the yellow card, and you have to change how many yellow cards to a red. No. We're not going to start handing out cards like candy.
00:49:20
Speaker
No, I mean, and I'm with you. I thought it was no yellow card. You know, so and the if I remember listening to Garces correctly, it was. I think he said no rap, but Curry actually got his arms around. He did. Maybe I misheard him, but I don't know. I think that's what he said. I mean, who knows what the hell he's he was talking. I mean, he had Ruizan plot on the sideline that didn't really help. No.
00:49:47
Speaker
And you mentioned our friend on the other pod, saying that he said, what I listened to earlier was that, and I agree.
00:49:58
Speaker
got Nigel Owens there so yeah yeah I know I don't understand why not why have French first off fucking French referees well-documented well well well known my feelings on that yeah why would you put a French referee in charge of England Ireland I they only dislike like
00:50:21
Speaker
French referees dislike both those guys. So it's fair to a point, but they're still going to fuck up the game at some point. Well, that's also probably true. You're courting disaster there. No good can come of this. Only bad can come of this. And luckily, the worst that happened was the yellow that was really undeserved. Yeah. So.
00:50:42
Speaker
OK. Yeah, I think I mean, Irish fans will tell you that there was worse. But in my opinion, the other decisions that they're playing about, at least the slayed offsides on the kick and I think the forward pass. I'm OK with both of those. Well, he did. He did say you hear the the the TMO. He's like, so you don't want to check that. Right. I was like, no. I guess not.
00:51:12
Speaker
So, but I didn't have a problem with either one of those. You mentioned a thing that that really got to me this weekend, watching the play at this level. Every kick, every kick, someone's offside. Yeah, it seems like it, right? In the club level, the pro level. Yeah.
00:51:33
Speaker
there would have been a ton of penalties, but they let it go. And I'm okay with that to a point, but there were some that were just clear and obvious. This guy's like five meters in front of the kicker. Like maybe, you know, when he pulls his leg back, he's going to make the kick. That's when he starts his run. And by the time the kick is actually made, he's like five meters ahead of the kicker. And it was a guy or whatever. And that even happened on fucking restarts. Yeah, the restarts, it's happened for years though, I feel like.
00:52:01
Speaker
Yeah, but I feel like they police it better at global. You think so below the international level. So I just felt like they stay kind of. It almost felt coordinated as far as saying, you know what, if they're a little if they're like a meter or two or head of the kicker, then then just let it go. Yeah. Because that was that was true.
00:52:18
Speaker
All I mean, I guess if you're making the right call all day, but you better change the laws too. Yeah, but I mean if if they're consistent about it Letting you know, that's what I'm saying If it's consistent, that's fine, but they better start changing those laws, right? And that was consistent at that level. So So we we've talked about it already a little bit and shot and daily at fullback
00:52:41
Speaker
I mean, uh, daily, daily disappointed me. Well, so let's talk about this because you said flop and I don't think flop is the operative term for him. I don't think if you, he had a solid game. There was maybe one dumb pass he made, but honestly, when you set up a try and you score one in yourself, that gets negated by that. So I'd say it's solid. I don't, I'm not saying that it was otherworldly, but yeah, I feel like his contribution to the game was limited to those two though.
00:53:10
Speaker
And I see and I see when you said it I started looking for what what bad things to do He looked like he made some defensive moves that needed to be made and if you don't know what you're doing Yeah, you don't make those moves and so Where where when I was saying when I when I meant by there was a flop was that you have two guys in your system?
00:53:30
Speaker
you have good and you have mike brown yep both of those will come into a match and change the match and they will do things they will be visible goody fuck every yeah every couple minutes all of a sudden he gets the ball he's doing something amazing with it so what i meant by flop is that it's like okay did um did daley do a good job of wing i'm sorry fall back
00:53:56
Speaker
yeah yeah he did it he had a game but was he fucking a standout was he somebody who if i'm looking at every people who made like consistent impacts in the game i'm talking about you know at least 10 other people before i get to to um before i get to him
00:54:17
Speaker
So if I'm if it's taking me that long to get to daily and then why didn't you get to some why not put somebody else in who I'm going to be talking about like maybe first. Yeah. OK. So so it was a flop in that. You had options that could have made a huge impact and you pick the guy who did solid and that's fine. So it's good. I guess, especially against Ireland. I mean, yeah, I mean, if you're not
00:54:46
Speaker
Because you're not scintillating you're not otherworldly doesn't necessarily make you a flop. I guess in the Context that you're talking of comparatively sure but in overall scheme of things I don't think he's a I don't think he was a flop now back. This is not a new thing This is something agents has already done once or twice before at least I mean he likes daily fullback for whatever freaking reason I have no idea but so just because he wasn't otherworldly doesn't necessarily make him a flop, but it doesn't
00:55:13
Speaker
say, mean what you're saying is wrong. Yes. Mike Brown, Goody, even Ashley, if you want to come in at fullback, could probably light the world on fire a lot more than that guy, than Daley. And we love Daley. We just signed the guy. Trust me, we love him. We love him. It's not like we hate him. I'm not saying anything bad about him. Right. I'm just saying that other options were available that could have made a bigger impact on the outcome of the game. Yeah. No, you're not wrong on that. Henshaw.
00:55:41
Speaker
Just you know to contrast the two He was getting pulled left and right he was getting yanked all over the place by England's tactics whether they were like alright show right and kick left or what and You know, he hasn't played the position for it at that level for four years and it certainly showed in my opinion at least and yeah, and that that's actually kind of the interesting thing there It's almost fortunate. I wonder if Carney had played What would what that would have done?
00:56:08
Speaker
With daily like would that have would that have been a? Instead of just a solid player would have made it a liability possible not so much a liability But like if the disparity in he might be more noticeable in that case. Yeah, so it's kind of fortunate there, but Yeah, it's just interesting how every other match 15s like
00:56:33
Speaker
Yeah, almost took over. Yeah, obviously a horn. Well, it overshadows hog, but damn, but still hog had a great game. I got an amazing game. So I I'm just wondering, you know, can they can they continue on?
00:56:49
Speaker
with daily at 15 through through the tournament um and see and not have it bite them in the ass at some point i don't know i mean i i don't so here's the thing i don't think he's done enough in this match to get himself dropped for la crunch this week
00:57:05
Speaker
No, I keep him. I would I would you're probably gonna keep him. I'd roll the same lineup except for their number four. Yeah Maro Atoge went went down pretty hard with with an injury and they were they tried to show the clip that he might have got hurt in and I saw the clip I actually saw what happened he got he was caught up in a ruck. Yeah folded backwards by something by somebody I don't remember who pretty hard at that so he and he
00:57:29
Speaker
you could see the pain on his face. So maybe it wasn't quite done then, but then he might've just tweaked it a little bit more and that really put him in the woods. So that was not good. I hope he's okay. They said four weeks, so he's probably done for the competition. Maybe back for the Calcutta Cup if he's
00:57:50
Speaker
If he's 100% or like 99% roll with him, if not, you're dumb to risk that. And I'm sure Mark McCall will be picking up the phone and talking to A Jones and be like, no, bad, bad, bad. No, you don't do that. You cannot have him. No, mine.
00:58:08
Speaker
CJ standard he's done for the for the competition looks like that said busted his face like I don't I think there were a couple hits I mean he was laying hits left and right anyway apparently he broke it like early in the match and basically played with with it for 60 minutes and then came off after making 18 19 I don't either
00:58:27
Speaker
There was a match against the team we've, you and I have talked about at length, one of the New York based teams that we've played against who bunched you said at the time.
00:58:40
Speaker
And we're playing against them. And one of them, instead of tackling me, because that's not what they did. The guy just roided up Jackass just threw a fucking right cross. Yeah. And I swear I thought my jaw was broken. It was just something I couldn't really close my mouth. I couldn't do anything. And I'm not one to pull myself off. But at that point, I'm like, I took myself out and the coach was like, everything all right. And like, I can't play the way I want to play because my face hurts when I go to a tackle.
00:59:08
Speaker
Fuck, I couldn't scrum. Everything hurt. And I'm like, if I'm thinking about that, I can't do anything else. So how can you do that at that level? And you could see it when he came off. His face was definitely so woollen. What the actual fuck? So I take my pants off for CJ's day out, right? I was really well done. He doesn't need that. I mean, and so much for not caring about your adopted country, which some people will give shit about some of these guys for.
00:59:37
Speaker
I'd say Standard put himself out there pretty well for somebody that has an adopted country. I think he's achieved native born status. Yeah, absolutely.
00:59:49
Speaker
But poor guy. Yeah. And then it's a shame. It's actually it's unfortunately it's bad for the competition without him. Yeah, probably. Same thing with Mauro. Yeah. Those are two guys that you would definitely want in their teams. Those are guys you want to know. The Titanic clash of Kyle Sinclair and Peter Armani and neither one of those guys was about to back down.
01:00:11
Speaker
No. Then. Well, that was not the only time that Ohmani wasn't backing down. Yeah. I mean, there was a point where I mean, Ireland's defense was the same, but like England just overrode them with their own defense. And that's what really did them in. But yeah, Ohmani going after Sinclair, which I mean, neither one of them had a spectacular match, but Ohmani dropping a couple of sea bombs towards towards Sinclair and getting a hot mic on top of it.
01:00:40
Speaker
Who hasn't wanted to call Kyle Sinclair that? Yeah, I'm sure it was the many thoughts of people that are played against Kyle Sinclair. There are a few people who would get away with it. Yeah, Omani's probably one of them. Yeah. I'm not messing with that dude. No. No way.
01:00:55
Speaker
Yes, sir. If you want to call me that, yeah, that's fine. I'll find you at the bottom of Rock Lake. I'm not going to do anything right now. Until then, I'm not even fronting that. No way. Let's look at the fantasy scores. Connor Murray with 37 makes me wish I started him. I started para. That was not a good idea.
01:01:14
Speaker
He's making me regret that. CJ Standard in his busted face with 29. Kean Healy with 28. Rory Best with 28. James Ryan with 28. Josh Benderflier with 28. I did notice, and you'd probably look at it, the drop-off between Benderflier and the rest is from 28 to either 20 or 19. It's a fairly steep drop-off.
01:01:38
Speaker
Yeah, so it looks like Sexton had 19, Stockdale had 19, Rainrose had 19, Croton had 19, and that would then, yeah, and then Omani had 18. It was, yeah, huge shop off. Yep. So there you go. I started the wrong prop. I started furlong. I did too. Healy had the try. I think we had the same front row, actually. Mako, Jamie, and...
01:02:00
Speaker
Yeah, speak of the devil, Mack over in a polo, man, the match for this one, 46. Yeah, he and Wilson both had like 20 something tackles. Yeah. Ridiculous. And Jamie wasn't far behind. No, he wasn't. He was up there in the tackle list. Johnny May with 44, Henry Slade with 37 with a pair of tries. Chase him one down and then intercepting one on a pretty much a blitz.
01:02:20
Speaker
And well done to hang on to that damn thing that thing looked like it was gonna get away from him Mark Wilson with 34 again, like I said, he had a little boatload boatload of tackles good for it I'm so happy to see him doing so well that was finally getting his chance. I love it It's it's such a great, you know, he plays for such a garbage club, unfortunately, but you know
01:02:38
Speaker
I don't love him at eight, but it's well, I mean, that's what they had to do less in the in the fall. But right. You got big Billy back there now. You're right. You're good to go. You have Hughes as well. But six, I think six six is definitely his position right in his wheel. Yeah. At that level. You want to run at me? Smash. Yeah. Yeah. He's got that covered. Jamie George with twenty seven. Elliot Daly with twenty five. And the unfortunate Maro Atoge with twenty three. Our boy, a sequel called in to take his place. Yeah, that's surprising. But
01:03:07
Speaker
I know, considering he's kind of like one of those outcasts that Eddie Jones has pulled at halftime or before halftime. I feel a little bit for Dan Robson, didn't get a single minute in this game. John Cooney got a minute and his team was getting shelled. I feel like he basically rolled everybody out there but Dan Robson for the last five minutes.
01:03:30
Speaker
Well the man on there and he's gonna Eddie he had to he had to pull an 80 Jones on something You know, he can't have the perfect game. He's got to have something that people can criticize him for And and yeah, and he found it he found it and you found a way for Robson, but he'll get there. Yeah that's not we've now reached the portion of
01:03:52
Speaker
the show where we switch to the ones without the Y chromosome and go to the women's six nation.
Women's Rugby Growth
01:04:00
Speaker
And, uh, I mean, we talked about the two teams that are probably going to be right in and it's a French, France took care of easy business.
01:04:08
Speaker
And then England made Ireland look pretty bad, although Ireland have the talent. And I certainly saw a little bit of skill in the highlights that I saw, but just don't have it together yet. No, and that's I mean, you know me, I love being right. Yeah. So what what got me especially about this match?
01:04:30
Speaker
was Ireland showing a lot of creativity on an attack. And I should say an attempt at creativity. Now, there
01:04:42
Speaker
They're trying. They got the idea, but they just have to get it. They have to continue to work in the system. It's going to take a couple of years, but they'll get it. And I'm super excited about that because I saw some great crossing lines, some switches and things that just the timing wasn't right. The angles weren't right.
01:05:07
Speaker
But the idea was there. They got the right idea. So I'm looking forward to that. Ultimately, what decided this match was that England did the things that good rugby teams do, and Ireland did the things that bad rugby teams do. Which is just, I mean, that's what's going to happen when you're still learning. First off, just breach.
01:05:30
Speaker
on the wing for england fucking burner like she would get the ball and just see uh rock it up the sideline i mean so so i want to get into this and part of the reason that we talk about we're going to talk about the the women's world cup i'm sorry the women's um six stations is that the you know the skill the play they can rival the men yeah what they're doing with the ball and how they're they're playing
01:05:56
Speaker
The international play of women's, I will say I look at it and I actually enjoy it there. And this is not an, I'm gonna sound like a complete jackass.
01:06:04
Speaker
There are some women's sports, and I know women that will agree with me on this, so I'm not a complete jackass at least. Some women's sports, I just can't watch. And I appreciate the effort and the athleticism that it takes for them to get to the abilities that they're at. And I really do, but there's just some sports, I can't, listen, I don't watch any basketball, except March Madness, that's it. I don't watch NBA, I don't watch WNBA, so.
01:06:27
Speaker
Forgive me on that one. Yeah, it's not about it's not about that. It's women It's just I don't like this. I just only this exactly so, you know, there's certain ones I can't watch I can watch I can watch women's soccer, especially World Cup soccer women's hockey is great I can watch women's I can watch women's hockey. Absolutely. I can watch women's rugby Those are the three sports we can absolutely 100% watch and be thoroughly entertained by because the level just
01:06:50
Speaker
It looks good. It looks great. It looks nice and crisp and it doesn't make me want to like go Oh, man, I need to switch this right now. And let's put it this way. It's okay. I'll never forget this story where we're playing a match and Jared brings one of his friends up to watch us play a lady who watches from the sideline and then we were talking to her after the game. I recall this story. All right. So Kaylee, what'd you think of the game?
01:07:17
Speaker
I had a lady boner the whole time. Okay, that's that's perfectly acceptable. Yeah, absolutely. I know it wasn't for me, but at the same time, you know, the, yes, the, the short shorts and the long socks, it just works. I mean, you kind of get it, right? Now these women, not only can they play, but they're, I mean, some men talk shit about the game. Now I've happened to married, I'm married to a woman. And, uh,
01:07:46
Speaker
But man, they're they're it's it's a different it's not, you know, the women's rugby of 20 years ago. No. And I remember there was a moment on the sideline where they're showing an Irish player warming up, getting ready to come in. And I'm like, wow, very attractive. I mean, that's just a standard objective thought that I had in my head. And then I thought, man, imagine talking to her and I'm like, she's speaking an Irish accent. And I see guys fall for that, too, ladies. Don't don't get me wrong.
01:08:12
Speaker
I'm not going to lie, I became a puddle on the couch there. You know, they're they're amazing players. Like why? I don't understand why it doesn't get the respect that it should get. It should be great to watch as far as the gameplay. But also, hey, we should be hanging out with these ladies. Yeah, absolutely. But but.
01:08:31
Speaker
Anyway, let's move let's move on from that to the actual game which was The one thing that I noticed about all of every single women Every single woman on the English side.
England Women's Rugby Dominance
01:08:41
Speaker
Yeah, they were all extremely good in the loose Yeah, there was they have the huge difference. They're one player who oftentimes who happens to be a Saracen
01:08:50
Speaker
Huzzah. Hannah Botterman. You know I'm going to sing a lot of props. Yeah. Yeah, we talked about it. I love my props. And I hope, first off, I doubt she's listening. But if she is listening, I apologize for what I'm about to say. But she got her ass kicked in the scrum, like bad from the opening scrum. A lot of her props in general are starting to get that way, where they get their ass whipped in the scrum. They're fine in the loose, but they get their complete shit kicked in the scrum. She was a terror in the loose, but she got her shit kicked out of her in the scrum. Maybe share that part up a little bit.
01:09:19
Speaker
including the the one try that Ireland scored was off a scrum it was a five meter scrum to them they got the penalty they had a couple penalties and then the referee just said you know what fuck it penalty try um so Ireland they got to move out away again so they're still working on their way out towards um becoming good in the in loose play
01:09:38
Speaker
And I'm sure part of their their struggles were because England is so fucking good in the loose in offense and defense So they're putting a lot of pressure on them So it's hard that you have to be perfect if you're gonna to score on them in the loose So there's a lot of pressure on them. So again their struggles
01:09:55
Speaker
Attributed not only to their relative newness to this wide open game right in smash smash smash, but also because they're playing a good opponent Yeah, that never helps either Every single one from 1 to 15 they get the ball on the loose they're doing something cool with it and For it and that's that's what I love to see. Yeah, you'll love it. So well done to England They certainly deserve to win the way they did
01:10:22
Speaker
Smash them, smash them, baby. And again, that final score is 51-7. And honestly, it was 13-0 at half. Yeah.
France's Rugby Performance
01:10:36
Speaker
when it's like crunch, uh, via the ladies. Well, let's find out. I actually don't know. Um, and I couldn't, I didn't end up seeing the other matches. Unfortunately, um, happens. Yeah. And French, the French crushed. So yeah, I think I saw that. That was a surprise. That was 52 to three. Yeah. I kept, I do it cause I follow the French rugby Twitter feed and they kept going aside, aside, which is try in French. Yeah. I was like, yikes. This team is just robbing right now.
01:11:12
Speaker
England, France is in round two. It's the, Ooh, it's this weekend. Okay. So it's, it's also like crunches weekend. Oh, I guess, I guess, I guess it makes sense. They actually do follow the same pattern. The only difference was that France, Wales with the men was on Friday and with the women was on Saturday. So they don't follow exactly. And then Ireland, England was on Friday. So the match ups are the same. The dates might be different. Gotcha.
01:11:29
Speaker
Looks like, where is it? Where is it?
01:11:39
Speaker
I guess that makes sense. That only makes things a little easier on everybody. Right. And it looks as though this match will be, yeah, it'll be.
01:11:53
Speaker
Doncaster so yeah, I mean cuz England's home for the men as well. So oh, I guess that makes sense. Okay. Yeah, they're all right. All right, that makes sense.
USA Rugby Victory
01:12:02
Speaker
Cool. All right. That's awesome Well, we wouldn't be an American pod without nodding to our boys from United States Eagles romped chili iconic they scored 11 tries To chilies one, I believe nice that chili kicked a penalty then you could then you get a conversion and
01:12:20
Speaker
Our new best friend, Ty Leader, got himself on the board. Great job, Ty. Yeah, Ty. Can't wait to see you all play for the freejacks. Yeah, right? AJ McGinty basically outscored everybody himself between his kicks and I think he got a couple over the line himself. I'm glad he's back. Yeah, me too. I am too. I was really worried about that.
01:12:38
Speaker
Joe Taffete ties Keith Wood for the most front row test tries in an international play. Now, obviously, Joe Taffete plays the United States Eagles. Keith Wood used to play for England, I'm pretty sure. So two levels. So, you know, tier one, tier two. But hey, I mean, smoking Joe is doing a freaking great job. Yeah. He beat up Scotland in that win. He was a problem for them.
01:13:04
Speaker
The Eagles are really showing, they have, and we talked about their center combination is absolutely tier one international quality. Yeah. Let's see. And Campbell, I think most, there are a lot of teams that would trade for that and not just tier two teams, there are tier one teams that would trade for that center combination.
01:13:21
Speaker
So there's there's there's room to To the people there's reason for excitement there Yeah, and then you look at the the sevens squad which we don't know we don't generally talk about sevens No, but but the sevens the the eagles usually ship some guys back and forth sometimes too So right, but the eagle sevens are the so far the only team to medal in every tournament so far Yeah, so that good things good things on the front beast might be awakened
01:13:44
Speaker
Yeah, we are the giant is slowly getting to its knee and trying to get to its feet so wait for it wait for it Don't don't sleep on it now Let's do pick them sure let's do some pick them I got three games up on you now big guy So unless you sweep one of these weeks, it's gonna be a little while for you to catch me You know
Match Predictions
01:14:10
Speaker
tortoise in the hair my friend yeah yeah you are definitely the tortoise um i have so i have james's picks okay because he wants to keep going with us um miss you buddy here we go so let's go
01:14:28
Speaker
Scotland and Ireland, Scotland at Murrayfield, playing host to the wounded animal that is the Irish. Can they hold on and beat the Irish at home? This is what they did two years ago. They were able to beat them. Right. Wasn't that kind of Stuart Hogg was like little dance that he had for himself against Ireland a couple of years ago, I think. But so here's what I have. So I'm going to pick Scotland to win. Yeah. There's two things. There's two assumptions I have to make.
01:14:58
Speaker
shoot. One is that Scotland, first off is that Scotland are as good as they look. They looked against Italy, which we know was probably not true. And the other is that that Ireland is as bad as they looked against England, which we also know is not true. Right. But then we have to add that there's more assumptions have to make, which is Scotland can repeat the quality of play that they had. Yeah. And Ireland
01:15:23
Speaker
You know, they were talking. So listening to the other part, apparently the talking island was was not about whether they would win six nations, but by how much and what the point differential be. So the question that I have is, is Ireland, is their heart still in it? Now, when you start questioning Ireland's heart, they tend to respond.
01:15:43
Speaker
That's also true. Like I said wounded animal man, right? Exactly. They're there. Ireland probably as dangerous as as as they could be However, then we got to go back to they don't have standard They're still gonna have issues with Sean O'Brien still pretty darn good replacement to pick in there That guy ain't nobody that I'm not talking shit about O'Brien but but
01:16:06
Speaker
but standard is it's just a kind of he's been a heart and soul kind of guy and O'Brien can fit that but I don't think he's gonna bring the same
01:16:15
Speaker
He's very much a quiet leadership type. I mean the guy doesn't miss I know that much I think they might have Ian Henderson back and I presume that Carney's gonna be back in this Nothing that matters I'm going with Ireland. Yeah, but the whole point is that there's read there are reasons to take Scotland there good reasons to take Scotland But I feel that Ireland is gonna be fucking angry
01:16:39
Speaker
Yeah. I'm not, I'm not going against the angry Irishman by any means. Um, I'm also taking Island and I believe, yeah, James took Island too. So, all right. The Irish across the board. Um, uh, Wales go to Rome, play, play in the Olympic stadium. Going to Wales. Yeah.
01:17:00
Speaker
even if they play a slightly depowered team. I got to believe that we're going to be. Training run. Yeah. Yeah. And then Sunday at Twickenham Le Crunch 2019 version. Well, as we all know, I picked France to win. You're off to a hot start with that one. I am off to a scorching hot start with that one.
01:17:30
Speaker
There's just such a clear difference there and and I don't I I don't see any way that France is gonna come to England And put a lot they couldn't put 80 minutes together. They couldn't they barely put 40 minutes together Put a decent 40. I'm sorry. They put 40 they could barely put 41 minutes. Yeah, they couldn't really put 41 42 men though That's so a 42nd man. I'm gonna go with the home squad there
01:17:53
Speaker
Yeah, I think England are very buoyed by the recent performance. Hopefully Eddie Jones keeps their brains in check. I'm not catching up this week at all. You probably aren't. No, we're having the same picks. Nope. So I guess we're going to have to wait until next week when we start kicking in the next other games besides these.
01:18:11
Speaker
Well then fuck it i'm going big and going home i'm going i'm switching it you're gonna switch it uh I mean if i'm gonna be wrong about this i'm wrong i'm gonna i'm gonna go in my take hold if france are gonna win this game oh fuck everybody screw it i got you all for calling france the winner yeah all right just don't turn to austi nearly please if i do that you feel free to punch me in the nuts i mean
01:18:41
Speaker
Yeah. No, I'm not that I'm not that mean. Maybe maybe somewhere else, but nothing else. Well, that's just intended for me to not turn into Austin. Yeah, please. I deserve it. If I turn into Austin healing, I'll just rebreak your nose or something. Thank you. You said it right this time. Yeah, I will.
01:19:02
Speaker
I'm gonna try and contain myself for a second here.
Closing Remarks and Listener Engagement
01:19:06
Speaker
All right, thank you everybody for listening. We are very glad that we had a nice little bump. Hopefully this bump continues, even though we're back in our old setting. Maybe it was the new setting that was doing it. I have no idea, but it seemed to be the new setting was getting us or something. Maybe this will continue. But anyway, thanks everybody for listening. Thank you so much for listening.
01:19:29
Speaker
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