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Ep 45 - Sheba and Aditya Arya share a coffee
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Presenting a soul conversation over coffee with Aditya Arya.
Aditya is an ace photographer and the founder of Museo Camera. More on him is on his LinkedIn.
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Transcript
Introduction and Theme
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I'm delighted to have you in the podcast where all stories are welcome and the masks come off. Hello Aditya.
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Hi and welcome to Soul Brews with Siva. Thank you so much for joining me on Coffee and Soul. It's such a pleasure to have you. I see that you have your cup of coffee ready with you. Yes, thank you. Thank you for inviting me. It's an absolute pleasure and I'm going to pour myself a cup of coffee as well.
Celebrating Success
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All right, Aditya, here's to you and to this wonderful museum that you have started, Camera Museo, and to long innings with these projects such as these. Cheers to it. Thank you very much. Thank you. So can I ask you to just pick up this cup of coffee, and if it's not too hot, can you just hold it between your palms? It's hot. It's hot? All right, so just breathe in the fragrance.
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just breathe in the fragrance and does it speak to you about anything? Does it bring back any kind of, what does this fragrance of coffee do for you? Does it do anything? It is stimulating. Yeah. Yeah. Refreshing. Yeah.
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And yeah, it gets me going. Yeah, sure. I see that. Is that the new coffee that you're drinking? Mark's coffee from Fig? No, this is our own brew, which is some Thai brew. Yeah.
00:01:41
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All right. Okay. All right. Wonderful. So this is such a fascinating place. And as I was telling you before we got into this, it's striking the shot, what I'm seeing behind me.
Origin Story of Camera Museo
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So tell me how did this, how did camera museum come into being? What was the genesis? You know, I keep telling people, especially youngsters, if you dream and dream really hard,
00:02:11
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Sometimes your dream do come true. Correct. Yes. I'm also amazed. How did this happen? And a lot of government officers and people come here and say, how did you make this with the municipality? How did this happen? I said, you know,
00:02:31
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I don't know sometimes when I dream and I dream very hard and I just keep working, I just work non-stop. I put together a timeline, I always keep, you'll be amazed, I keep a diary where I keep jotting down and I love the
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Though, I mean, I have something like six different diaries on my mobile, but I love the physicality of a diary where I can scribble, where I can cut and, you know, just flip through it and see, have I done this? Okay, this happened?
Organizing Ideas through Diaries
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No. So this was an idea which
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goes back to my college days when I started collecting cameras and when I started getting assignments to travel abroad, I used to check out all the museums and I said,
00:03:28
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I have an idea, but I'm yet to see a museum like that. And I was lucky to run into officers of the commissioners, joint commissioners, who listened to my ideas. And they didn't ask me to make any presentations to them.
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They didn't tell me, do you have a team? Do you have designers? I said, it's all here. And after five, six months of our conversations, they actually told the government, let's just give it a try. Let's just go ahead with this. And today, they can't believe that we have this fabulous place in Gurgaon.
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So that's why I say, if you, I mean, I was lucky to run into such people who were also, who agreed and believed in my vision. See, it's the question is, and they believed in my honesty of delivering this. I sat here every day during the construction. It took me 17 months and I,
00:04:42
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I have images, I created a book out of that every day, I would shoot hundreds of images and I would study the drawings with the contractor and contractors actually asked me, sir, where did you learn this? I said, no, I just, I understand how to make a building and I've
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Actually, there were days today, I mean, those contractors, they run away from me because they said, we will ensure before taking any project in Gurgaon that you are not there because we don't want to get caught because they got caught in so many small, small rackets and manipulations, which they do.
00:05:31
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to enhance the project, to try and tell the government bosses, Sir, we need more money. I said, no, you don't, you're not doing it right. So, you know, there's somebody who makes you do things. Yes, absolutely. There is somebody who makes you do things.
00:05:54
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Yeah. And so that's somebody who makes you do things. What's your equation? What's your relationship with that? It's a very interesting turn of conversation right now. I've never believed in gods and goddesses of any kind. My father was a South Indian.
00:06:20
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His name was actually Rao. He ran away from his family when he was 15, came to North India, studied in Gurukul, and then he became a professor. And then he got married in Arasamaj Mandir, so he started writing Arya.
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And I got to know this when I was probably 12 or 13. I said, you know, how come we don't have a surname? What is Arya? He said, there's no need to write a surname and things. And because we used to do hawan and we never believed in any such form or
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you know, that you have to go to a temple on this date, you have to pray. No, things happened. And that things happened is something that seems to be the theme of your life. Is it true that things happen? So, but firstly, things will only happen if you really want them to happen. If you have a plan, how they will happen.
00:07:28
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if you don't have a plan or a wish how can things you can't just sit idle and say nothing is happening I mean those people who say sir nothing is happening irritate me a lot why I said what have you done to make something happen or what is it that you wish to happen give me give me a plan give me um do you have a plan I mean what do you wish to happen
00:07:54
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Oh no, I want something to happen. I said, no, there is, you're not defined that something, please. Let's be very specific on that something. What is it? Because once you want to do hundreds of things, which I wish to do, and I say life is too short, there's so much to do every second. I have no time.
00:08:19
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Yeah.
Career in Advertising Photography
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So how come cameras? Have you been a photographer? Has this been a passion with you? Oh, I thought you would. I'm going to go as if. 40 years. Yes. Yes.
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as an advertising photographer. I've never done a job in my life. I've never worked anywhere. I lived from day to day. I would look for assignments, make some money, move on, do something. But photography is the only profession which actually takes you all over the world. And there is a valid reason somebody pays for it.
00:09:02
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It's a good reason. That's a good reason. Yes. And it's something which, so it helps you see the world. So I worked in Russia for, I made many trips to Russia shooting with the Bolshoi theater. I worked in, traveled through Germany, worked in Africa shooting hotels for Roy's. I shot many hundreds of hotels for other companies.
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lived in these, I mean those were the days when you traveled with film and you created these images and that allowed me to interact and see people and places all over the world. Today I can say that besides Mizoram, there is no state or a major town in India where I have not lived or worked. Wow.
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from no Ladakh like back of my hand no Nagaland like back of my hand worked in Andamans and Lakshadweep way back in 80s I had done all that and always with the camera
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That's the reason. I used to sell these images to travel magazines. I worked in mines for companies for their annual reports, shot steel plants, automobile plants, worked with Modi Xerox, Modi Olivetti, launched all their products, worked in their factories. Hundreds of companies work with tobacco companies. So many things come to my mind as
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So that curiosity...
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to see and to learn, hey, how is this thing made? I mean, every time, firstly, whenever a new assignment used to come, I used to, okay, keep, my first half a day, one day is to try and understand the whole process, meet the people, then spend few days, few weeks shooting, shot food, very extensively for many companies and many hotels, worked with chefs, some of the most
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accomplish shifts in the country. So there's so much you have done. Have there been some things that you feel have been some major learnings in your life, some things that you feel that these are the moments that defined me, that changed me. In this course of all that you did, were there some that really stand out and you found that they were life-changing.
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It doesn't have to be big. It could be a small thing, so. Everything has been an experience. So being a photographer is an experience which no profession in the world can give you. Every day you are in a different situation because being a photographer, it's not repeat situations. You're trying to do something different every day.
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And, but today, all those days are deeply embedded. I can tell you, oh my God, that town, what happened there. I was looking for dinner late at night and everything was shut and we had to go around looking for food. And so, you know, it's...
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It's an experience. That's what I keep telling people. Photography is the only profession in the world which takes you all over. And the reason is somebody pays you. And even if somebody is not paying you, then those days whenever I was free, I would create my own assignments. So photographers have to be very driven people.
00:13:01
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Okay. Next one month, there's nothing major happening. I'm pushing off to say Nagaland and I'm going to be there for next four weeks. I'm just going to, no plan. I'm just going to bum around, live from village to village, village travel. And I did that for six years. It culminated in a coffee table book on the Nagas in 84 to 90.
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And so every day is a different day. I can't think of one isolated incident. Absolutely. Tell me more about Nagala. It's such a rich, rich, rich culture. And we know so little about it. What stood out for you about the Nagas?
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After 91, I never visited Nagaland and I don't wish to. Why? The way I saw Nagaland, it was so pure. Today people go to Hornbill Festival, which is absolute nonsense where they do up all these. See, somehow I shouldn't be saying because it'll become very controversial between the exposure to the Western world and
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influences of the church, the traditional Nagaland. I have pictures of those villages where each and every house was made out of
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bamboo. It was so eco-friendly. It was so nice. Today you have cemented structures, have thin roof houses. You make all that development and being progressive, being modern, but they're not eco-friendly. The way they live, the way they eat, and now it's becoming a concrete jungle. And this whole, they're losing their own culture because
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They are told and the whole, the way the Western culture is projected there. And I can tell you Naga music is so soothing and nice. Nothing can beat that.
00:15:20
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You're transporting me there. It's amazing because it's your lived experience, right? Yes. In 1984, I attended two tiger feasts where tigers were killed, chopped and cooked in front of me. The last headhunting which took place, I was there and in a district called Maun,
00:15:46
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a village called Chui, the Ang of Chui, the chieftain, his personal collection of few hundred human heads because these guys were great headhunters. It used to be there and I shot all these heads in his display area. Everything has been buried and done away with in the name of
00:16:10
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modernization and that these were practices. I mean, who defines this? Nobody has any right to say that this was wrong or this is good. And so culturally, many things have been taken away from them.
00:16:31
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So, you know, but what I was able to create, photographers are very, they play a very critical role in creating visual histories and archives. And I firmly believe what photographers leave behind are far more valuable than the written word, which is always somebody's
00:16:56
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perception or imagination or their subjective point of view. While photographs allow everyone to interpret them and say, hey, this is what I see in this picture. It takes everybody a participant, not just a reader of somebody's thoughts or imagination. Absolutely. Yes. Yes, that's so true. Visual histories
00:17:26
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created by photographers have to be preserved.
Photography as a Universal Language
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Unfortunately, that's not happening right now. And that's what I'm trying to do. That is what you're trying to do. Exactly. Are you also speaking with or working with people or children or students to enhance their photography skills or give them a sense of what it is to be behind the camera? So photography is one of the world's biggest democratic form of expression today.
00:17:56
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your mate, your driver, you, everybody's communicating through photographs. So now see, try and understand the role of photography. Everybody's trying to create, convey something through photographs. So they become very, so today it's a visual language.
00:18:25
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When you say I like to have this in the background, I like to say this, it's a statement. So we started, we keep doing program with underprivileged children. And so around the museum, there are a few urban villages. Okay.
00:18:45
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like Chakarpur in Gurgaon and Natupur in Gurgaon. I actually was able to speak to Apple, iPhone and iPhone. I've donated 15 iPhones to us and we give this to these kids on weekends.
00:19:06
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and we talked to them about exposures, composition, the art of storytelling and then they go out in the morning and they come back in the afternoon and we
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evaluate their images, we try and interpret them. So we've done lots of these sessions, which is fantastic because the kind of perception, the kind of storytelling, because why do they see something like that? So then he'll try and explain, sir, this guy is this. That's why I've shot him. Yeah. Yeah.
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So similarly, just before lockdown, we actually collaborated with a property in
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Shekhawati, Mandawa. And they said, okay, this is very interesting. Their owner had come here. We would like to do this program with our village children. And he identified 15 children. We went there for a week and we stayed with them. And every day the village children actually used to go around shooting
00:20:27
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and we used to do a critiquing session with these kids and next day again they would go do portraits and somebody would do graphic pictures. Amazing, yes. Why do we give them phones from our side? Because see today everybody has some kind of phone or the other but we want them to talk
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One language, one, so that's why we said, okay. And iPhone was, when they heard this, they said, oh, we'll give you the latest. I said, look, I'll be happy with your old generation. They said, no. So they gave me 15 iPhone 12s, which we give these kids and these kids couldn't believe they have, they're working because the clarity of the iPhone 12 and the, and that gives them a very,
00:21:25
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that empowers them. Do you know these guys trust us to these things? That is so powerful. That is so powerful because not only are they learning a skill or exploring that, a sense of self that is building. I think that is priceless. Even if I'm not
00:21:46
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I don't want them to become photographers. You are just empowering them or opening their minds towards something. The art of seeing, that's enough. I don't want to say that I produce so many photographers or no, that's not needed. Let them imbibe, let them
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taste many things in life. Yes. Yes. The art of seeing, absolutely. And having the eyes that see. Yeah. And that is a very noble cause, particularly in the kind of scenario in the world that we live in today. You were talking to me a little bit about analog and digital. And I'd love to hear a little more about that.
Digital Photography's Creative Impact
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I'm from analog generation. So am I. So am I.
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Let me ask you a question. You have seen today's digital cameras and so every digital camera has a button. Yes.
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which is not there in any of the analog cameras. Can you tell me what it is? Because for me, it's that button which has destroyed photography. The button, the button is, it goes off. So you have to press it to bring it on again. For me, that's the thing that comes in the way. So for me, it's a button called delete. Delete has destroyed the way photography has evolved. Why?
00:23:26
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I mean, these cameras gave you one opportunity. They had only 36 exposures or one glass plate. You had to think, you had to pre-visualize and create an image while the delete gives you endless opportunities to keep on making mistakes.
00:23:51
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Delete's button allows you to step back constantly and redo things while analog only allows you to move forward because the film goes agay. It doesn't, it can't be rewound. That's fascinating. So in life, how the delete has actually shifted people's thought is like typewriter.
00:24:17
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People used to think or while writing a composing a letter, you would have thought a flow of thought and you write, but today you go on the computer and you can always, word allows you to cut, paste, delete, which analog did not. So your thinking process and your thought process changes.
00:24:48
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The purity of analog is what I love and encourage people to
00:24:59
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yes to follow that how do you find people are ready to do that or do they are they yeah so we are conducting workshops teaching people in our dark room yesterday we had a fantastic the last two days we finished we had three participants we just do this with very limited participants because it's a very hands-round and interactive thing we give them a role of film we give them a
00:25:25
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an icon camera or a film camera to shoot, then they actually process the film in the darkroom and then they make silver prints and then they say, oh, wow, this, I spent three days, I mean, two days and I've just been able to get two pictures, right? So, you know, it's a very slow, immersive process while today's generation
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is in a great hurry. It's like you press the button and you have 4,000 images go cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. While analog was, hey, let's just think because every time you press is gonna cost you seven rupees, three rupees. So there was a cost attached to that, which actually forced you to create more meaningful pictures. Yeah, because every shot mattered, I guess. Every shot mattered.
00:26:21
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And now it doesn't actually for me when you're talking about this is this this slow immersive process, a lot of as I find I don't know what your thoughts on this is when you think about what's happening in the world there is there is a pushback like in the sense that we have.
00:26:37
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slow food we have you know generally slowing down of life and perhaps this is also a way for us to learn how to slow down to get back into connection with oneself as one sees things and what you seem to be talking about it's almost like a meditative experience you know it's very immersive as you said and I think that is beautiful
00:27:04
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Some people ask me, what's the difference between this and this? So I said, well, I mean, there are two ways you can have noodles.
00:27:19
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you can have a five-minute maggi noodle or you can have a dish which is a cuisine where there'll be ingredients and many things or you can have five-minute maggi noodles I mean either way you are having noodles or decide which way you want to go or the worst case scenario is you can have a good wine or you can have a tara to be high
00:27:48
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You can have a bottle of country liquor and I'll give you a kick and two seconds flat. So what do you want to enjoy? The process or the point where do you want to reach? Yes, exactly. And how do you want to reach it?
00:28:04
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Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, there are some questions that I would ask, but you're in your conversation itself talking to me about your metaphor for life, for example. And I'm hearing it as you talk in the way that you live and the way that you have lived. Is there something you believe you could have done differently? I don't mean it in terms of regret. As you reflect on life and you've had such a varied amount of experience.
00:28:32
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I never think about the past. I like to move on. I like to say, okay, every day is a new day for me. I have a plan for every day. I say, okay, today I'm going to do this. And this is, and I just come and I said, okay, now let's just start doing it.
00:28:56
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It's so exciting to have a new day every day. And I like to do things for future. I don't... Interesting. What do you mean by that? I'm a farmer also. So I always wanted to be a farmer and a photographer.
00:29:14
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okay and couldn't afford to be a farmer in the beginning but by the time i was 35 36 i bought my first farm and i took my kids i made a house there where where do you have your farm it's in gurgaon very close from gurgaon and i planted hundred trees today some of them are 40 feet 30 feet 50 feet
00:29:43
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And this is, so I created a mini-jungle. So when I say you do things for future, I keep telling people, intelligent people should do this for today and this for the future. It's like you keep links, stones and,
00:30:09
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the foundation for future and forget it, forget it. I mean this collection of these thousands of cameras did not happen overnight. It was 30 years, 40 years I started collecting and so everything is a process.
00:30:32
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don't wait for the results. The problem is, my problem with the present generation is they expect far too many results in a very short time, short time and with this kind of inputs and why, you know sir, how fast can we do this? That fast forward mode
00:30:56
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um maybe because we are from the analog times things were slow the processes were slow i mean today life is in a really fast lane and things are happening at super speed and but we are used to working at a certain space which was very good but also laying foundations many things it's like one day i ran into an old man and he said you know
Philosophy of Multitasking
00:31:26
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a farmer, remember one thing, do plant many things, don't depend on one crop, plant many different things and they keep juggling between many things and that's what I keep doing. You have to do many things and I said that's the multitasking, the art of multitasking which is
00:31:51
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which is really not, when you say, when I talk to these kids who come here for jobs or internships, they say, can I do one thing? This will be lots of things. I said, how do you just slot them into various,
00:32:12
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boxes and say okay I am going to be doing this this this this is the box I'm going to take out and this is the box I'm going to play around with and for two hours and I'm going to dump it here do something else just to keep yourself going I just play around with many boxes yes I see that it's a stay stimulated with so much that life has to offer
00:32:36
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Yeah, don't get stuck with one box and say, I'm working on it. No, you may get bored. Just dump it for a little while and look at some other boxes. So camera museum. How I know that the lockdown hit hard.
00:32:52
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Right. Very hard. I know what how what are the challenges right now and what my viewers, my listeners, how can we support? What can we do? What are some of your challenges?
Challenges of COVID-19
00:33:04
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The challenges are the first wave of COVID hit us five and a half months after opening and we were shut for under lockdown for almost five months. So with no revenue for five months and backlog
00:33:22
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which we were hoping to make up. So again, we had a huge outstanding. Then the museum, it took, we started last year in August, September, October, November. It took four or five months for people to get comfortable, to start visiting. We used to get four visitors, five visitors, six visitors a day.
00:33:46
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And by December, January, February, we were getting three, 4,000 visitors in a month. Okay, things were great.
00:33:56
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And we were like, okay, now this year we've got it, we'll be able to pay for our electricity bills, which are running into 30, 40 lakhs and we'll be able to pay people properly. The second wave, the second lockdown came. I know, my God. So again, we had to let go all our staff and see museum is a place which has to be looked after every day.
00:34:22
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objects should be clean. We have to maintain a certain humidity level in the news. You cannot have high humidity. It'll spoil all the, it'll create fungus on the objects. And so many things come into air conditioning has to run every day for a few hours. I mean, your costs are still going up with no revenue coming in.
00:34:52
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We reopened 10 days back, but again, now the accumulated effect of the first
00:35:00
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lockdown and the second lockdown. And now also constantly thinking about the third lockdown. The third way, why not? The third way. I don't know. I'm writing letters to the government every day. Please, what are we going to do with this? You know, it's like another problem. You always dream of owning an elephant. And one day somebody gives you an elephant and says, how am I going to feed this guy?
00:35:28
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There is no money to feed this guy. Yeah. So, you know, these are the challenges which we are facing. We are looking for reaching out to corporates, give us some funding, try and
00:35:43
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put your name inside the museum. We go to keep it alive. What kinds of things? What kinds of things can people do to keep it alive? One is the funding, but towards what? Would it be? So one is a direct funding, which is we are eligible to ATG and FCRA, all kind of, we are a registered charitable trust. You're also an FCRA? Yes. So this was my idea.
00:36:12
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Once you go, once you're not there, so there's a trust to look after everything. I did create a trust 11 years back and you know, so I did try and create the whole thing. The idea of the museum will carry on even if you are not there.
00:36:31
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and then we were able to some again I was very lucky some like just like some of the when I was thinking of the museum some people walked into my and they called me up they said what are you planning to do with all this stuff that you collected I said one day a museum they said come and talk to us now and when I spoke to these commissioners they said you know we like your idea similarly I applied for
00:37:00
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ATG and got rejected because my CA called me says, you know, there is this, uh, income tax inspector who wants to be looked after. I said, sorry, I can take his picture. He said, no, no, no pictures. So I said, okay, he applied.
00:37:29
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So then they sent somebody from the income tax office and this guy went back and gave a report. And I got a call from the Commissioner income tax, you know, report is good.
00:37:49
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but I don't trust this. Did you meet him? Did you talk to him? Did you try and influence him? I said, no, I did. He came, I showed him everything. He saw my museum in the basement of my house, the collection and everything. And he sent another inspector who gave a fabulous report. So much so, the commissioner called me, says,
00:38:15
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It seems there is something hanky-banky going on with you. You're trying to influence my inspectors. Where are you just now? I said, I'm at home. He said, I'm coming just now. So his office was very close to my residence and he came and he sat down and he says, I love all this.
00:38:39
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Can I call my family? And we had coffee and tea. And then he says, so when do you want your exemptions? I said, sir, no hurry. Whenever he called up his office, he said, I'm reaching, make sure in next 20 minutes he gets his letters of exemption. That is amazing. An idea whose time has come and your complete commitment and clean commitment to this. That's the result. Sometimes I've run into these people who
00:39:09
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if they see that your intent is right, I mean I have put my lifetime's earning into this idea of the museum and I mean if my father and mother, I mean if they were alive they would have been shocked to you know whatever you created because
00:39:31
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You know, they came from, my father was a lecturer, my mother was a school teacher. They could not have imagined that this kind of magnitude, this stuff could have happened. So sometimes you just have to have an idea.
00:39:48
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Absolutely. And more power to you, Aditya. I do hope that we can find ways that you were telling me about the different kinds of things that can happen. And I'm
Proactive Learning and Mistakes
00:39:59
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sure. I must tell you, we have a fantastic donors wall. It right at the entrance where anybody who gives above 25,000 rupees, its name is inscribed there as somebody who supported the museum. Because I believe
00:40:17
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These kind of places have to be supported by people also. Yes. So we have one of the biggest crowdfunded museums. Fabulous. Fabulous. I'm so, so happy to hear that. I believe each individual has something very unique to offer to all of us as humanity. You already have it because you have the eyes to see. Besides that, what is it that you feel is your gift to people?
00:40:47
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I'm a doer. I do things. I do not, I take the, I just plunge myself. I take the jump and I said, and I said, let's just do this. And let's try and convince people that this should be done. And I mean, you have, and to me these, anything,
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needs somebody who says, okay, people have ideas, except they have great hesitation in taking the jump, leap, plunge, whatever, or convincing themselves that they can do it. I mean, that's the way I believe it's at the most
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you will make some mistakes and everybody makes mistakes, but you have lifetime to correct those mistakes. Absolutely. At least just do it once. Yes, that's right. Absolutely. You know, this has been such an amazing conversation and I'm so, so delighted to have hosted you, Aditi. Before we close this, is there anything else you'd like to say?
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I'd like to invite your reviewers to the museum. I'm here and I'll be happy to do some small groups and tours of the museum and take you around and show you how actually photography evolved.
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since 1850. And so please come over, visit the museum. Certainly. And support the museum. Absolutely. Thank you so much. I hope we're all listening. And we'll be here to come and see this marvelous, phenomenal work that Aditya has done and to see the museum and to understand his passion and what his passion has produced.
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Thank you so much Aditya, it's been an absolute pleasure to host you and I hope the museum goes from strength to strength. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your time and attention and for being a part of Soul Brews with Siva. Until next week, keep the coffee swirling