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Ep 40 - Sheba and Manbir share a coffee
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Presenting a soul conversation over coffee with Manbir Kaur. Manbir is a Team Coach and she helps Tech leaders unleash HUMAN potential, boost performance & lead a happy life.
More about Manbir is on her Linkedin.
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Introduction and Warm Welcome
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Delighted to have you in the podcast, where all stories are welcome and the masks come off. Hello, Manbir. Hi, Shiba. Good morning. Good morning. It's such a pleasure to have you with me on Soul Brews with Shiba. Welcome to Coffee and Soul. And thank you so much for making the time. Thank you so much. My pleasure to be here. Thank you so much for inviting me.
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It's an absolute pleasure, Manveer.
Sharing a Love for Tea
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Manveer, do you have a cup of coffee or tea ready with you? Yes, tea. I'm quite an Indian tea person. My cup of tea. I live by tea. You live by tea. So here's to life, Manveer, and welcome to the show.
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So lovely to have you here. Cheers. Ah yes, the first step. You know, when you talk about the fact that you were a tea person, I grew up in the tea estates in Assam, but when I moved south, I really became focused on
Mindfulness and Symbolism of Sunlight
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coffee. So it's very interesting. But before we get into more conversation, may I ask you to just hold your cup of tea in your hands? Yeah, sure. And if you can just nestle it between your palms, lean back and relax. Let the warmth seep in.
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into your hands tell me if something comes up for you anything that you might see or hear or whenever you're ready so what comes up for me is um i see sun actually so warmth and light of sun
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kind of sun which is not sharp and piercing it's rather warm and light is soothing so and I'm soaking in that in that sun that's that's what I see actually as an image that's beautiful Mandir you can open your eyes whenever you're ready thank you lovely what does this kind of a sun the mellowness of the sun has even talked what does it mean for you what does it do to you
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I think it resonates with me at a lot of levels, Shiva, actually. One is when I say warmth, it's love. The word love is very close to my heart. And I use that word a lot. So that's what it means to me. And another thing which when I talk about sun is optimism.
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I'm still holding that cup, actually. I'm still feeling that, actually.
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I'm a die-hard optimistic person. So I guess, you know, when I was in that state of feeling that warmth, it was combination of love and optimism.
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Yeah, that's the space I think that space is in.
Reflections on Sun and Life's Journey
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That's beautiful. You also reflected on the fact that the sun is not strong or sharp or anything, it's warm and soothing and I think you elucidated the difference between that very, it was very interesting. Yeah, because when I was going deeper into that state,
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And I looked up and saw the sun and it kind of felt like, is it harsh? Then the thought came, no, it's not that harsh in the moment of maybe one o'clock in the afternoon or two o'clock in the afternoon when sun is really, really sharp. It's like morning sun, which is warm, which is not very sharp. Yes. That's beautiful. And especially in our Indian summers, we have
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After 11 o'clock, it's very sharp. Yeah, I know. That was beautiful, Manbir. Thank you so much for sharing it and for bringing into it. This brings me very nicely to my next question.
Early Life and Family Significance
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Looking at love and this warmth and building up from there. Tell me about your journey, your life.
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How has it been? What has been the journey like? What have been some of your ups and some of your low points? Key learnings. The idea is really to keep looking at what have been some of the defining moments, the key learnings. How did you move? Just share that with me and the people who will be doing this conversation as well. So I came to my parents' life after six years of their marriage.
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And you can understand how desperately they wanted the child at that point of time.
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So I guess that the journey starts from there. I have been, you know, that wanted kind of, you know, eldest child in the house.
Marriage and Cultural Transition
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And I've been very close to my father, actually. I have a very deep relationship, I think, soul to soul relationship with him. And he has been one of my heroes of life till now.
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I still look up to him for many things actually speaking. So that's how my journey started, grew up in Punjab, got educated there in Amritsar, got married very early. So how old were you?
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So I was 23 when I got married. Born and brought up in Amritsar. Started my job immediately after my graduation at 19 years. So I was only 19 when I started working.
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And before that marriage, I think my life was all good things in life types, you know, in a family which is very loving family, parents, which are very caring. And at the same time, I would say a lot of protection.
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It was a very protected environment, a nuclear family and protected environment. So, and suddenly I get married and it was an arranged marriage and I come to Delhi. So coming from smaller city to Delhi and I was working in a bank at that point of time. So I immediately got transferred to the branch here. So started working in, walking in here. So this is like a kid who get exposed to the real life.
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many people get that exposure when they go to hostels and all that and I have never been to hostel so I think this was my first exposure to real life on the floor so it was one of the defining moments and I have a lot of them so this was really one of them
Balancing Career and Motherhood
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I think Delhi was a cultural shock to me for many things. It was not at internet era I'm talking about. I'm talking about 99. So it was not the internet era. So, you know, so immediately you have to perform at work within 15 days or 20 days of my marriage. I was at work actually. So, you know, you have to perform. I was leading retail operations in a bank, in a branch.
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So a lot of expectation, how to talk to a customer, they are Delhi customers. Very different than the Punjab customers. We have a closed-knit kind of a banking environment there and here people are very professional. Things are very, very different here. I guess a lot of things I learned there, a lot of things.
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Yeah, that's, that's how, you know, my, my journey in the metro city started and I got, got my, um, only childish, no, you know, my son. So, uh, I got him, um, again, very early. So it's 13 months of my marriage. So we got him again. That was another defining moment of my life because, uh, here I was a child, uh, around almost one year back and totally pampered and protected by parents.
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And suddenly now I'm on my own and now I have a life to take care.
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Yes, my God, huge transition, huge transition. Yeah, so those transition happened, that may look like, you know, I'm making it up or it looks filmy, but for my life, somebody who didn't see a child at home and you know, it was a big, big thing for me. So it was a good feeling to be mother, but it was not a dramatic, bollywood kind of a feeling, oh my, oh my God, you know, I'm kind of totally full of Mamta now, that motherly hood and you know, no, nothing like happened, nothing like that happened.
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And there was a moment I was doubting my capabilities. In all Bollywood movies, it shows that when you have a child, you suddenly have that kind of feelings, but nothing like that happened. So here there's an ambitious woman in me who was worrying about career. There's another practical side of me who was worrying about how to take care of this life, what's going to happen now. We didn't know how to hold him and all that typical stuff.
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So yeah, so he definitely brought in a lot of joy for us as a couple. But at the same time, I think a lot of responsibilities happened at that point of time. A lot of inner shaking up happened. A lot of inner shaking up happened at that point of time.
Career Transition to FinTech
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One thing which I guess as a society and I was trained on was attaching our identity to the work
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And I think I did that Shiba for a long, long time. So if I was a branch manager, that is who I was. So then I started attaching my identity to my relationships, being a mother, being a wife. I was still doing that. Now I'm talking about all this in hindsight.
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So I left my job for sometime a couple of months and realized that I sat at home mom but realized that I was not satisfied with life.
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that brings me to another point that I always recognized my emotions even before knowing these words as a coach and you know whatever I'm doing right now I think I was always in that space where I recognize that I'm not happy here
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I was not kind of putting it away, those feelings, not putting it under the carpet. I was really upset. I acknowledged that. I was really upset that I'm not happy. Then me and my husband sat together. We discussed and I decided that I'll start.
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So that's how I started working. So how long did this, did you take this? How long was this? Almost eight months, eight to nine months. Yeah. So I started working with the, you know, that's how my
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Second phase of my career started in FinTech industry. There was a small company who required somebody from banking experience for banking implementation, banking product implementations. And my second phase of career, and I would say the best, maybe the better than the banking phase, one of the really, really good phases of my career started at that point of time. So these were a couple of defining moments.
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Then I worked in FinTech for a long time, moved cities, have stayed in Bangalore, Mumbai. The attachment to my identity towards my work and my relationship carried on.
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with my optimism, I'm just bringing in that. So that becomes a challenge also sometime because I wanted to be the best mother, I wanted to be the best employee, I wanted to be the best wife and I didn't think about myself at that point of time for a lot of many years and kind of trying to balance typically how every woman I think would go through
Identity and Family Roles
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that.
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So did that, did that balancing act for many years and now my son is in college. And that was another, I'm just fast forwarding it to a couple of years back when he started his college. That was another very, very precious moment in my life because that again shook me up because I was working. But I think in my mind, majority of my identity
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was kind of attached to my figure as his mother and suddenly he leaves for college and I'm kind of you know thinking about who am I
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it's not that I'm not working and I have a lot of free time no but still inside me it's all inside story my days are equally busy but inside I really felt again you know that shaking up and I think that those few months
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has been very very reflective journey for me. A lot of people, I'm in gratitude to a lot of people who supported me in that time and helped me sales at so-called difficult time because I was in emotional turbulent stage. And that's where I realized this one thing that I'm
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I'm attaching a lot of my identity to my roles. I won't say that I've stopped doing that, but I think a lot of awareness has come on that particular front. And now I see myself when I don't do it and when I do it. Oh, that's beautiful. When you talk
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attach yourself to any of your identities. And you've got many. You're an accomplished coach. You're an author. You've written some phenomenal books. You're a mother. You're a wife.
Transition into Coaching
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You're a child to your parents, taking care of them. When all this falls away, who is moving? The first word is explorant. That's the word which comes to mind immediately.
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Explorer and love are two words, which is, I don't know how, how do I define love and all that, but yeah, but explorer, explorer is, and also the third, I think it's, it's part of explorer, only the doer. I'm quite of a doer. So when other people around my inner circle will kind of say, okay, we can't do anything here and blah, blah, blah. So I think I'll pick up all the, whatever is available at that point of time and start working on things.
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whether they are on personal front or professional front. So I guess, you know, in that particular stage, I think I'm an explorer, doer, yeah. And somebody, why I'm saying love is somebody who expects love and, you know, would like to give love also. Yeah, you can be a lover of life, lover of beauty, lover of people. How do you knit these three things together to make a sentence?
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Explorer, doer, lover, love. How do you define? How do you? I'm an explorer who do things with love. Wow. Isn't that beautiful? That's so powerful, my dear. That's so beautiful. That's so beautiful.
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And now you also spend some time in writing, you've written two books, right? Yeah. So tell us a little bit more about that. How did that happen for you? What made you become an author? I started practicing coaching almost 10 years back. So in 2010, end of 2010, I left my corporate career. And the start of 2011 is where I started on my own. And I drove you to coaching before I get into work. Yeah.
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See, I think in corporate careers, you reach sometime a place where you think that you've done enough and nothing new is coming up. That is one.
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It's a mix of things. Maybe the intersection of that came out as a coaching. But one was that I have done enough of work and I'm not doing anything new here now. Although I loved my job at that point of time. I love working.
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And the second was, you know, at that point of time I got introduced to, I come from business side, I don't come from HR side. So, typical business side, business analysis, RFPs, pre-sales, you know, a lot of those things I've done.
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And here in the role, in the last organization where I worked as an employee, full-time employee. So I got exposed to behavioral stuff in the role which I was working on, competency frameworks, and building those competency framework success plans. I got intrigued. So this kind of started attracting me.
Motivation Behind Writing
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I didn't know about coaching at that point of time.
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So, and the third, I don't know, maybe I think we were going through that era. There's a lot of entrepreneurship buzz was going on. So, you know, there was a, there was, that was a time in, you know, doing something on, on our own was kind of, you know, becoming like everybody was talking about that. So I think intersection of those three things, I thought I'm at a stage where, you know, I can, I can pack my bags and explore something new.
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So one thing, as I said, you know, I'm a diehard optimistic and which is sometime a challenge also. You know, one thing is there in all my exploring so-called ventures is when I decide something, then I don't look back at that point of time. Then I kind of, you know, make it happen. I struggle and make it happen. I sail through that particular time.
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So I didn't know about coaching and I thought I want to do something with fulfillment at work, happiness at work, development at work. Those were the words in my vocabulary. When I left my job, I kind of started exploring.
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I started working on employee engagement programs and during those time I came across the word coaching. I understood more. I went through my certificate. I mean courses, not certifications that time, but courses and I loved it. I enjoyed it so much. I continued coaching as one of the offerings at that point of time. I was doing a lot of employee engagement programs. I had alliance with the
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know people like ergonomical physiotherapist, meditation people, so a lot of things I was doing for corporates. My first client for engagement programs were Dell actually. So it was a good experience but somehow you know I mean
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the more I did coaching the more I loved it. It just felt inside so at home while doing coaching that I thought I found my love. So I kind of you know left doing engagement programs because a lot of operational stuff was involved in doing you know employee engagement programs. So started digging deep into coaching and that's how my
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full-time coaching journey started almost 10 years back now. Coming back to books, in my journey as a coach, I felt not everyone can hire a coach. Not everyone has an access or have resources to a coach. At the same time, a lot of
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Gyan is available. A lot of knowledge is available. So I always feel that a lot of knowledge is available. People have an intention to grow. People have an intention to do good to themselves, to their teams, to the organization. But there is a gap. I may not be able to define that gap as of now also, but my intention always is to fulfill that gap also. There is an intention, but still the impact is not what people intend for. So there is a gap.
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And at the same time, a lot of knowledge is there. It's flowing there, three flowing there. So my books come from that intention to bridge that gap. And how can I make it more? So I said, you know, that's my strength. Doing is my strength.
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So if you look at my books, you know, they are, you know, it's more from that, you can call it frameworks and all that stuff, but they're more from what can you do today? So what is doable? Your focus is on what is doable. What is doable? What is actionable, you know, inspiration? Of course, you know, inspiration, 15 percent.
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But then taking action is 85% of the component of my book. That's how I define. And I mean, that's how my intention is when I write books. Sure. That's fabulous. And your last book was How to Get Your Next Promotion, right? The title is Get Your Next Promotion. Get Your Next Promotion. That's right.
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And now you're doing a lot of work around that as well. So my work is majorly executive coaching, but this book was written for mid-management people who are looking to become, who are wanting to become executives, but feel stuck. And they know all good things, what is required. So that's the gap I wanted to bridge. Absolutely. And I think that there's such a need for that.
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I'm sure a lot of people are finding that space that you're filling up very, very useful for them. Thank you. So, Manbir, coming back, I'm sure there are a whole lot of other things you want to do in the course of life as you explore doing with love.
Influences and Values
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I'm sure there are many, many things that are going to come up for you as your next steps.
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If I ask you, what happened some of the key, you spoke about your dad, some key influences in your life or influences? So very difficult to pinpoint a couple of them. I think, as I said, my dad has been one of the biggest influence on me. My son, I would say.
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What about Ishmael? What about your son? What is it that he brings up? So, you know, as a coach, you know, one of the things we required is to be non-judgmental. And he taught me.
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over so many years. So he he's my coach at home. So he'll say that I'm in many occasions, you know, if something happens, Mama, is it coming from your judgment? I mean, the way he asked questions sometimes is like, you know, really connect you to your deeper self. And
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Yeah, so I think he has been one of the big influences and teachers in my life, I would say. So whenever I have been in my job also, if I had a tough day at work or something with my boss or colleague. So I used to discuss with him even when he was younger.
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If he don't have anything to say, he will make me feel loved. He have always made me feel loved at that point of time. I think that's what I needed at that point of time. So his capability to give love unconditionally is really, really something to learn.
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Which I think, which I still have lots to learn from him on that front. He just gives unconditionally. So yeah, I think that in all his relationships. So he has been a big, big teacher on that front. A lot of other people actually. So one of the things, you know, which I always, always say that, you know, I think there's a possibility to learn from everyone.
Learning from Mentors
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You know, so I mean, all my relationships, all my things, it's not like, you know, I mean, I don't have arguments with people that, you know, I don't have, everything is there, but at the same time, I guess, you know, my habit is to reflect on what can I learn from this person? So that has gone in my habit. So I always look forward to what can I learn? And that's where exploring also comes in Shiba, because
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My exploring strength tells me that this is where you can explore here. I mean, I have a lot of people who have touched my life.
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I would have loved to name few of my bosses. So who have really, really one of them, you know, I really admire is a lady called Sujata Morn. She was my boss and I flex in Mumbai. So he, she, she really, you know, I mean, in her own way, she brought out my best in those times when I was struggling to, you know, to work with, with, I think around four year child and all that balancing home and,
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in a kind of, in those kind of room where you are the only women and with 90 men or 60 men. So that kind of typical FinTech environments, banking product implementation environments, I guess, you know, she's supported as a role model and also, you know, in, in her verbal feedbacks and, you know, in the way she supported. So really, really has inspired me on multiple, multiple ways, I would say.
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It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so wonderful to look back and, and, you know, give gratitude to the people who have, who have built us, you know, little by little in ways that perhaps unfold for us later in life. And when we look back and is there a, is there a adage you live by or like a metaphor for life that you have that has stood you through time. Every time the chips are down, there's something you fall back on.
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Let me think about that. There's no rush, as you can see.
Metaphor of the Butterfly
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See, somehow I relate a lot to metaphor of butterfly for me. So I guess the things which I'm mentioning, explorer, love, that warmth. I don't know. Somehow I see all those things in a butterfly. Yeah.
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I relate a lot to butterfly actually as a metaphor of my life. And so what does the what does this metaphor mean for you as a butterfly? Are you talking about turning from a caterpillar to a butterfly or a butterfly?
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I'm relating it now to the word called choices, explorer and choices also. So butterfly has a choice and freedom at the same time and she balances that, the choice of freedom. So I think all of us have that and sometimes I know I've used it and sometimes I've not used it.
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because I might be thinking about other people, about circumstances, about my roles, but a choice of freedom must have always been there inside me. That's how I relate to butterfly. And also, you know, when butterfly sits on a flower, so the relationship at that point of view is mere love, mere love.
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So I think in all my relationships, whether it's a personal relationship or even a professional relationship with my work, internal relationship, relationship of myself with work, with the work I do, I think when I feel that love,
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When I feel that oneness, I'm in my happy stage. I'm at my happy stage. And there are moments when I don't feel that I'm not at my happy stage. Something inside me, I still would be doing the work. I still would be, you know, carry on with those relationships, doing with, you know, kind of my responsibilities and all that.
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But I think coming from responsibility is something which is not fully aligned with me. Doing something with love is fully aligned, even when I'm saying that, Shiva. When I'm saying doing something with love is something which gives me peace, which tells me that I'm aligned in that space. So all those things I relate to the metaphor of butterfly. And I think butterfly is not limited.
00:29:29
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not limited to the limits and I have been like that I have been that's what the word explore it also I have been like that you know so I would never want myself to be limited
00:29:41
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to be caged and so whenever I felt that there would be a rebel in me who would kind of you know could do some activity and will set myself free at that point of time. At the same time I will not expect anybody else to make me free at that point of time and that's where the doer comes in. I'll set myself free on my own.
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as a butterfly, when it doesn't work, you can feel it away. Yeah, absolutely. The lightness of being, you know, yeah. And that lightness only comes with those movements when I'm saying that, you know, I'm feeling aligned with love and, you know,
00:30:26
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hope and optimistic space. So that's where it comes in, actually speaking. And I'm aware of that space. I think that awareness is there. And I may do other things in my life, but I'm aware that, you know, that that's not my happy space. And the other one
Life Choices and Acceptance
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is my happy space. Well, that's very beautiful. That's very beautiful. Now, whenever we talk, I will always think of the butterfly.
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I think you're bringing that to life for me. So there is a sticky on my desk, so which has a small symbol of butterfly. That's a reminder to me, actually speaking. It's just in front of my desk, actually. It doesn't let you get heavy. It doesn't let you get heavy. Yeah. There are moments when I need this reminder. And this small crude picture, which I have drawn, I'm not very good at drawing, is kind of a reminder to me at that particular moment.
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that this is who you are. Let yourself be at this point of time. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. And thank you so much for sharing that, sharing that with me and my viewers. My pleasure. OK, so one being looking at that, is there anything in your life you feel you could have done differently? Difficult question. That's why it's the last, is it?
00:31:54
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I don't think so actually. And I don't mean it in the sense of regret. I just mean it in the sense of a reflection or a learning. Blameless discernment.
00:32:08
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I don't think so. When I look at my life, I guess a lot of things which have happened and not so good things when I'm remembering. Because when you ask this question, your mind go to not so good things, right? Happy things we all want in our life, those moments. We don't want to let go away those moments. So I guess in hindsight, everything has worked out for me in the way
00:32:37
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it should have worked out for me, ideally. So I won't say that I don't have any grudges towards some circumstances or people. No, I have. But at the same time, I think those relationships, those situations have helped me to grow, have helped me to realize who am I.
00:33:04
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When I was in corporate, I was kind of in that daily that thing, that race, you're coming to office, you're working for 12, 14 hours and going back. So I think all those things also, I was not an aware person at that point of time, but even that unawareness, I guess, being aware of that unawareness is also a great learning.
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that has done a great thing to who I am right now. I will change anything. Being aware of the unawareness itself is a great thing. I believe every individual has a unique something that they have to offer mankind. Nobody else is Mandir Kaur. What is your unique gift to people?
Unique Gifts and Action
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All of us, what is the unique lens you bring? Nobody else does because it's you. So it's a combination of optimism and doing. So optimism not only for the sake of getting inspired, going to a motivational speaking session for 20 minutes and you get inspired and all that. That's okay.
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But if you're not deriving anything actionable out of those 20 minutes, then I think it's not worth it. It's not worth of having your 20 minutes there. So that action may not be immediate. I think my gift is I call it my superpower is basically that combination of that doing with optimism is something is my superpower. I'm a doer.
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I kind of, you know, any situation, you know, I don't accept, you know, things easily if I have to change things. So I kind of keep trying, keep trying and, you know, make a way there. Wonderful. What else would you like to say before we close? Any message for people who are on a similar journey, such as you, or people who are starting out, what would you like to say?
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I think, of course, you know, as I said, doing things are very important. Many people feel good in that space that, yeah, but if you don't take action, whether it's not only professional action, I'm saying, even in your personal space, we're waiting for tomorrow to take action.
Advice on Success and Action
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You're always waiting for tomorrow.
00:35:29
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Even small things like that, you know, I have to express love to my loved one. I'll do it. I'll do it on my anniversary. I'll do it on the birthday. I'll do it on, you know, some that good day. I guess, expression of
00:35:44
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love is very important, very, very important. Yeah. So, you know, and that's where, you know, I, I use this word as a, now I'm talking about love, but you know, if I, if I talk in the professional language about success, taking charge of your own success, I mean, this may look like unrelated, but they are related, you know, you're taking charge and expressing love. You're taking charge and moving on, on your success. Don't, um,
00:36:11
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Don't give these rights to other people. Own your own success. Own your own path. And that path may have curves and turns. Those are not somebody else. It may sound like little philosophical, but when that curve is there, when that tan is there in that hilly area, if you don't take action, you will not be able to take that tan.
00:36:39
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You can't take that turn on the cruise control of the car, right? Cruise mode of the car. You have to take ownership and make that turn. And that turn is very important in your life. Either it's personal life or professional life. The turn is very important. Taking charge of that, you know, your acceleration, your velocity, your movement at that turn is very important. Wonderful.
00:37:04
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That is really powerful, Manbir, and thank you so much for sharing that with all of us. You never know who it's going to impact, whoever's listening to this and how much perhaps they need to hear it right now. Thank you so much for your time. It's been wonderful talking to you.
Conclusion and Gratitude
00:37:26
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and for making the time for this Soul Brew. I have thoroughly enjoyed our conversation, Manbir, and all the very best to you as you journey on. Thank you, Shiva. Thank you so much. It was wonderful being here with you today. Thank you so much. It's a pleasure. Take care of yourself. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Thank you for your time and attention and for being a part of Soul Brews with Shiva. Until next week,
00:37:55
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Keep the coffee swirling.