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Season 5- Episode 14- Rest in Peace Doddie (Autumn Nations & Premiership Round 11)
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On this episode of TFRY we have plenty to chew on, despite only a pair of international games. Unfortunately, we also say goodbye to a legend of the game and remember them for the impact they made on us all, Doddie Weir, gone at 52. We wrap up the Autumn Nations, have a look at the hot seats in international rugby and wrap the action from the return of the Premiership this week as well. There's oh so much more too, so kick back, get a drink and have a laugh with us.
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Introduction & Banter
00:00:02
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It is. The Fantasy Robias. My name is Jared Dyke. I wanted to say it's stupid and let's move on, but then you kept going. I'm Ben Glauser. I don't like any way anybody gambled that. Collusion. Collusion.
00:00:27
Speaker
Hey everybody. Welcome back. It is the fancy rugby. Thanks. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauser. We're here. We're ready. Let's go. We got plenty to talk about. Not as much as the last couple of weeks, but plenty. Just the same. Let's crack them while we got them. We're here. We're beer. Get used to it. Actually have a cider today. There you go. Same. Same.
Cider Discussion & Sponsorship
00:00:49
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Your favorite podcast app. Share download rate review. What you drinking there?
00:00:57
Speaker
Same one, it wasn't that sweet. Oh, okay. I got the Storma Long holiday. I like the mass appeal from Storma Long. Me too. It's right in the middle. It's not super sweet, but it's not super dry. I think the ones that sell at the game are a little sweet, but you won't have to twist my arm for me to drink one, but... Right. Exactly. Just saying. You won't have to... They are a little sweet.
00:01:24
Speaker
By the way, storm along, you can send the checks to. Local local mass mass made, right? They they sponsor the free jacks. So yes, yeah, we like them much like Baxter. We support storm along as well. Yes, we do. And they also make a delicious slider. So if you don't like it's bad either, right? I'll drink it just because it's good. So if you don't have access to storm along, that sucks for you. Yes, I agree.
Supporting George
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So obviously we know that our good friend George is taking a break, but I think his Buy Him a Coffee page is still live. So everybody go support that man.
00:02:05
Speaker
He's actually putting in and being an adult for once. Right. Give him some support. Give him some step back. And but we still we still love him. Yeah. He'll be he'll be back. It's it's a temporary experience. Yeah, we've you know, I as we can see with the the sheet on our Patreon that we'll get to in a minute. But yeah, shit gets in the way. This is not it.
Challenges of Content Creation
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It takes a lot of work. So when you actually give it shit, it does take effort. Right. You know, yeah. And and the other thing is George is a one man band. So it's a lot harder when it's just you. Right. So as we can, both Jared and I can attest because we both do our own separate things at times, although we obviously we collaborate on the sheet, but. Right.
00:02:52
Speaker
doing our own separate things is like, holy shit, this sucks. It's just me doing like, you know? Yeah, it's, it's, it can be daunting sometimes. So I mean, that's why I don't think.
00:03:02
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For the sake of it, for the sake of like this show, I would have kept going if you hadn't jumped in. At this point, five seasons in, it would have been way too fucking hard. I would have lost my mind. There's two times ago. I wonder what that would have looked like, shit. I'm sure we can take an adventure of a guess there. But yeah, obviously, George, we wish you the best in your hiatus from the
00:03:34
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Yeah. Content creation role. Let's put it that way. Yeah. Still going to be, you know, an awesome. Oh, you still be present. Just not, uh, not putting out as usual stuff, but just the same. He deserves your, your coffee. So go buy
Stance Against Discrimination
00:03:47
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him. Yes. As always, there is no discrimination on this podcast or the, should there be in sports or on life? Speaking of sports. Yeah. And odd. So this is an interesting, um, I, I kind of like this as all this late, um,
00:04:02
Speaker
But it's something else that we need to tackle. So I'll let you introduce it. So it's pretty bad. I'm going to turn my volume on here a little bit and I'm going to play it. So this is from the Boston Bruins local podcast. This is why people fucking hate Boston sometimes. It's low. It's not coming through.
00:04:36
Speaker
All right. Either way. Unfortunately, it's stupid technology. Yeah, stupid technology. Anyway, I'll put the link to the tweet in the pod notes so people can find it. Either way, the broadcaster for Boston Bruins, Jack Edwards, was just
00:04:58
Speaker
you know, shaming a player for coming in overweight. And it happens a lot in sports. But, you know, you poke fun at it once and it's like, OK, get a laugh out of it. The dude didn't let it go for a good minute. Right. It was like a solid minute of while the game is going on. Yeah, that's the other point. Like he's
Body Image in Sports
00:05:16
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doing this over watching and calling the game. Like, yeah, the fuck is wrong with you? But ultimately, the the player, so it was let me make sure I get it right. Pat Maroon. Pat Maroon.
00:05:27
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Not Pat Faloon, Pat Maroon. Pat Faloon played years ago. Pat Maroon is the current player. And yeah, Tampa Bay Lightning, he is, so he tweeted out about, in support of those struggling with mental health, bullying and body image and making a $2,000 donation in the name of Jack Edwards to Tampa Thrive. And he's asking, you know, Lightning and NHL fans to join him with it. And that's,
00:05:54
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Yeah, good. That's a great way to turn it into something positive because there's too many people out there dealing with it with with, you know, body image issues and, and whatnot. Yeah, sports is like the biggest place that it happens to and right now, especially, especially, you know, it's not to say men don't experience it, but women like
00:06:16
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females, like women's sports, they is a huge thing that people just like, judge them on based on, you know, I'm sure, I'm sure Hope Rogers has gotten her fair share. I'm sure, you know, at the same time, you know, somebody like cat merchant who is a beast has gotten her fair share. Oh, so much.
00:06:36
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Yeah, so you know, it's and it's on either end of the spectrum cat merchant would appear very fit and hope Rogers would not although I would argue otherwise hopes pretty pretty fucking fit fit doesn't have a look and this is this is me coming from my universe to and the my background so I have to deal with this with especially with the high school kids as well and it's because I deal with both boys and girls at the high school level and
00:07:01
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you know, I've got a couple of them to stave off whatever bullshit images that might be thrown at them and whatever comments, but because I got one, one player that is just a monster and she plays on the girls team. She would kick everyone's ass, you know, cause she's been, and she's been living in the gym for the last year and a half to two years. And that's what, but it also makes her one of our better players, you know, cause she's able to one stay on the field and two,
00:07:32
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People fall off her tackles and she doesn't miss. So it's like, it's this whole thing of, you know, and that's just how that's, and she looks how she looks, you know, it's not a,
00:07:48
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It's not a clear, defined thing that you have to look a certain way to be a good rugby player or to be a good athlete. You just need to be a good player and do what you can to take care of yourself and what that looks like from person to person is completely different. So, like, we'll get to the money to do a little later, but he's not exactly what you would, you don't look at him and you think, wing, but.
00:08:12
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two can fly, say guy can run and he's a monster. Yeah, he just that's and that that is probably his best position maybe center now that he's getting a little older, but right, right. But he was living there. Yeah. So yeah, fitness does not have a look. An athlete
Fantasy Rugby & Updates
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doesn't necessarily being an athlete doesn't necessarily have a look. Yes, there's some common ideas. But
00:08:36
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in the, in the grand scheme, like just, yeah, have your, have your joke and move on. Don't fucking hammer someone's, you know, weight, especially weight being a huge thing that can be a huge trigger for a lot of people and send them into really bad places if you're not careful. So yeah, it's only funny when it's, there's pictures of Andy Goode with the meat pies on the side.
00:09:00
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That's just because it's silly. It's not really. And also he was like five years retired. You probably should have been retired at that point. I think even he would admit that. Right. And that's also him. I think he made that one or something. Yeah. You know, it's one thing when you're joking about it and it's in good fun. This was mean spirit. So don't be, you know, let's be less mean to each other.
00:09:23
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Keep the, keep that to adult row, shall we? Yeah. And I'm guilty of this, by the way, I'm, I'm bad about this, which is why I actually, I can be, I can be as bad, as bad sometimes I try and catch myself. Yep. Me too.
00:09:36
Speaker
Especially because most of the time it's when I'm looking in a mirror, like you fat fuck. Be nice to yourself out there too. Be nice to yourself out there. Speaking of being nice to ourselves, we gotta cut ourselves some slack on the Patreon, but there are still some things out there. Rankings will come out tomorrow for me. They'll be, I've already, I got boom bust up before the waivers hit. So I feel okay about that. Yeah. I wish, maybe it's just not going to be something that I try and serve it because it's,
00:10:06
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The waiver wire, the waiver wire and the time the scores finalize is fucking really, really close. So it's like, I try and jam it in, but it doesn't always work. So it makes it kind of tough and usually means I'm sitting here at, you know, nine, 10 o'clock at night after a day of work, trying to bang out one, the scores into the article. So I'll continue to do my best, but hopefully everybody at least finds it entertaining to the minimum. Yeah.
00:10:36
Speaker
And we'll get sheets up this week. Sheets. Yeah, the sheet is going to be up. I have like we put up one, but it's.
00:10:46
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It's mostly correct, but not entirely because we had the generic, we didn't have all the minutes done, which are close to being done, which helps us do the substitutions, which helps us do the player stats are right. It's the team stats, which are still a little buggy, but they'll be done by, certainly by Friday morning. I'm going to have some time to do it tomorrow, especially if it's still raining tomorrow. I can't work outside. Yeah.
00:11:16
Speaker
But yeah, the minute and the minutes on this thing are a pain in the ass because and we have to go by the FRD stuff because as we found out like premise like work, which is right, which would make life easier, but it doesn't always work. So I've been going by the premise of institutions and timing. So it's it's going to be a bitch also because then now I have to go. That takes even more time because if there's a yellow card, you got to go back and say, OK, well,
00:11:42
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Fuck, how much time did he miss? How much time did he miss? Did he miss 10 on the nose or did he miss 12? So some of the minutes might not be exactly accurate, but at least the substitutions are right, which is really, that's my more important thing anyway. If somebody is off by like five or 10 minutes, not the worst thing in the world. Yeah. And the grand scheme of things, probably not so bad.
00:12:06
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All right, what do we got? We got lost it. Oh, yes. Yeah.
USA Rugby's State & Entertaining Play
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So the aftermath has slowly occurred from USA Rugby. And it's here's the thing, like,
00:12:24
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there's a certain rugby rider here in the United States that a lot of people are kind of, you know, raise an eyebrow to and really don't like. And when he starts to make sense, you know, you're fucked. Yeah. And he, and he made a lot of sense. I was like, you know, I'm finding myself nodding at this piece way too much. Right. It's like, Oh no, he's right. And it was a, yeah, it was a review of all four national teams, you know, the men's and women's 15s and sevens. Yep.
00:12:54
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And it was like, okay, here's where our coaches are. What do we think we should do? And really, you know, you're right. Every bit of it, I was like, yes. There was that one thing that I guess I glossed over that it was like, maybe not that, but everything else was like, yes, spot on. But yeah, it's really the only one who even got like a passing grade was Friday.
00:13:15
Speaker
Right, because he has done well. Right. And yeah, the only box he doesn't take is the living in the US. And there's just ways around that and whatnot. Yeah, I would prefer somebody live at least half the year in the US. I would prefer that. However, if you can produce what what Friday is producing,
00:13:38
Speaker
I'm not going to be too upset about it. It's like, okay, he gets kind of a pass because he does it well. And because there's ways to do it well, and not everybody can. And I'm glad that he can. Right? Yeah, no, that's not wrong. That's that's not wrong at all. It's everybody else. There's no it was a lot of, you know, like the whip. I'm sorry. I can't remember because I lost it because I wasn't I was not prepared thinking about that for this.
00:14:07
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What are you thinking about? The women's head coach. I don't know. I was just like, I wasn't thinking about talking about this. Thanks. Not the women's sevens coach. Yeah. And about how it's like, it's not. Not exactly, you know, her fault because she was. She inherited a mess. Hired late and then kind of thrown into it. And she heard it in a complete mess. So it's like kind of the jury still out there. Right. And then she should get a little bit of a.
00:14:37
Speaker
Maybe she could get a pass. The downside is for sure, for at least for the women's sevens is as Goff pointed out, they came in fourth at the World Cup this past autumn, but they were clearly head and shoulders below the other three teams. Like they were not even competitive with those three teams. Probably got lucky to be in the semis.
00:15:08
Speaker
And that is just, yeah. So, and yeah, like they said, you know what? The one point that I think we can all agree on without a doubt, no matter who's coaching or whatnot,
00:15:24
Speaker
especially for the men, since we aren't going to necessarily necessarily compete is play to entertain at the very minimum play. The the ultra conservative bullshit has got to go. Yes, it does. You know, the reason we hit we've got no, no, no, stop that. That's a hard attitude.
00:15:43
Speaker
The teams that we love to gush about that are at a tier two level or semi close to it, like Fiji, like Japan, play some beautiful stuff. And when it comes off, that's when it looks great, obviously. And we know that more often than not, it's not going to.
00:16:00
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But when it does, it's like, ooh, this is so much fun to watch. People gush over Fiji because they're fun to watch. People gush over Japan because they're fun to watch. They're not the ultra conservative bullshit. And that is the thing that needs to go. We can't do the things we used to try to do.
00:16:26
Speaker
which was out muscle teams because the world has caught up with athleticism. We can't rely on that anymore. Right. Yeah. I mean, there was a time when we were, you know, one of the, you know, maybe not the biggest and maybe not the most asshole-ish, but certainly the strongest and most straps ready to go, you know, like you're ready to rumble. And that helped us in some ways. But really, the only time the Eagles have been good is when they can score.
00:16:55
Speaker
Yes, these teams, very few of them can can score. Right, right. Like either the both the 15 sides struggle to put points on the board. The women's seven side also equally struggle to score. But, you know, like, you know, I was guilty of it, too.
00:17:14
Speaker
when Karlan Iles first jumped on the scene. But at the same time, he was not physical at all. He literally, you know, he went and avoided tackle at all. Oh, totally. He avoided any kind of contact. And it's like, you know, there is a point where you have to actually, you know, get in the mix. Right. You know, get into contact and. And he just still avoided it, but like it was still the gumption was there to go for a run.
00:17:44
Speaker
You know, and Perry Baker's much better and it is an all around player. Um, but also has the wheels and those guys just score at will like, you know, exact test, you know, though of old would set records for try scoring. Like that was our thing was we would just go out and we'll put up points and it's a question of who's going to put up more points. And that's really what our rugby needs to be. Now is it's not a, you know, what we think of as a rugby contest. It's a, who can outscore each other? You know, I.
00:18:14
Speaker
you know, win 50 to 45, who gives a shit if you give up 45 points, but you win, right? That shouldn't matter. And you know what, if the score line is gonna break 100 points, let's not have it all 100 points be on the opposite side of the scoreboard. Let's have it a little bit balanced, right? So that's not gonna happen if you just learn, if you only wanna play defense. And it doesn't, I think some of the other things is, and this is something that I've been,
00:18:45
Speaker
working about with the college level too is that we're focusing so much on defense that it's like they don't know what exactly to defend because they don't know what attacking rugby is. They don't know what is coming at them. They just know, okay, I'm here and I make a tackle, but we drill it and drill it and drill it. It's like, well, you're still going to get scored on because they're going to do something that you're not really ready for. So teach them how to attack.
00:19:07
Speaker
And then that actually helps with learning how to defend. Then it's when you say, oh, this is what this looks like. This is how this works. This is what fucks this up. When I try to do this and somebody does this, it gets fucked up. And they're like, okay, well, then I'll do that to them next time. But you have to get to know what's happening to do that. And so it's one of those backwards times where
00:19:29
Speaker
Rugby is actually a sport where it's better to learn by learning how to attack, not how to play defense. Like football, they teach you how to play defense and everything starts with defense and it works for football because it's a different sport. Rugby, we need to bring a rugby mentality to it. And that's, like you said, all the best teams score points. They put up the whole- Yeah, the teams that people love to watch. And that being the thing, we need people to want to watch.
00:19:59
Speaker
as it's been stated already, the teams that are going to play in 31 and 33, when the World Cup is here, those kids right now are in middle school and high school. You'll have some older leftover players, no doubt, because you need some veteran presence. But that is that school level, that is that age that they're at right now. And we need to get their eyes on rugby matches. We need to get their hands on rugby balls. And it really needs to just be a complete
00:20:29
Speaker
just like dump of all our resources into all the youth stuff.
00:20:36
Speaker
Get things going where you're playing a set schedule of U23 and U20 stuff. Get things going where you're having academies develop left, right, and center. And you have a ton, and I mean a ton of development stuff going on for people to try out and, you know, have a freaking tryout of sorts. Like, you want to come learn to play a new sport? Here it is, right here. Come play. Yeah. And we also need the...
00:21:05
Speaker
national team programs to start having more of an open mind. Like, you know, I feel like the women's program is a little bit easier with this. Like, we saw that with Christy Kirshy, who kind of literally came out of nowhere. Right. She, she joined Boston Women out of like off the street. The right after I left.
00:21:24
Speaker
And then a year later was on the national team. And it wasn't because like, it was just cause she was naturally that good. Right. And it's like, it wasn't just that if we've seen that before, um, just played with another player who also played with all the national team, um, that she basically taught how to play center. Um, like it's just, it happens like it's, um,
00:21:46
Speaker
But the men's team's a little bit harder on that. And there's very much a cutthroat, like you have to do all these right things.
US Men's Rugby Team & Talent Development
00:21:53
Speaker
And that's how you make, and you cut out so many potential talented players just because you want to be exclusive. And we got to be inclusive and bring everything, you know, oh, you want to try it? Well, let's see what you got and give them a fair shake because fuck the guys that you got out there, you know, what we saw, you know, um, in, um,
00:22:15
Speaker
the Repashash tournament like are they really any good like fucking any of them really I mean some of them are yes some of them are but you go you can go you know line by line to be like is this guy really any good and emotionally be like I don't know you look across the board
00:22:31
Speaker
And there are some players that, you know, they play for very good clubs and they're, and so you take them, but there are others like, I'm sorry, 90% of the MLR players, I want nothing to do it. Right. And that's, that's a sad thing to say, but it is a, it's how it is. Right. Here's another thing. U S men's national team for soccer, football, um, at the world cup.
00:22:56
Speaker
they're advancing to the round of 16. How many players on that team are MLS players? The team that beat Iran yesterday, none of them started. Right. They're all playing overseas. Right. But I realize that the MLS is good for that. It helps develop them to that point. But, you know, the MLS is a much more developed league than MLR is.
00:23:25
Speaker
And so if we're relying on MLR players, we are fucked so hard. So it's one of those things where it's like, okay, yes, it could come good, but it's going to take years and it's going to take guys. What's going to happen is it's going to take these guys going overseas, you know, getting some of them getting good enough going overseas and then coming back. So we're, you know, it's, it is that like 10 year period of them, like getting decent enough to, to get a, uh,
00:23:51
Speaker
contract for like the prem or france or japan or something going over playing and then coming back that's such a long cycle so it's gotta gotta just go find players because it's not it's not going to come out of mlr for a while right it's not a good enough competition no barely professional at this point no it's it's still mostly semi-professional if you really think about it too so it's hard to call it completely professional
00:24:17
Speaker
Right. Just, there's too many players that are on those between contracts would to really call it, you know, professional. So it's, it's really, that might be a harsh criticism of it, but it's also a fact. So just don't fucking hire Eddie.
00:24:35
Speaker
Please don't. Please don't. We'll get into him in a little bit. But yeah, please don't. No, thank you. That's the opposite. And well, yeah, like England are having the same goddamn problems that we are, as far as style of play. And the last line of the whole thing that people have discussed, then we can move on from here. We've seen in the past two weeks, week, whatever, where rugby unions have come out and
00:25:05
Speaker
apologized and acknowledged how poor their teams have performed on the field, and I won't name the ones that did it, but we've seen it. USA Rugby is not one of those. They have had crickets the whole time. They've been trying to pump up the sevens, but that's still not acceptable. I understand you have sevens that you're trying to get people jammed for, and that's great, but
00:25:28
Speaker
there still needs to be some sort of like acknowledgement statement. Like, yeah, we royally cocked this because we're not going to the World Cup. It's been two weeks and there's nothing. So it's pretty, it's pretty bad luck, honestly. And like we said, we want people that care. This doesn't exclude that by any means whatsoever.
00:25:47
Speaker
So I'm pretty annoyed about that. I mean, if headquarters was easier to get to, I'd go there and start kicking down doors. But because it's in the middle of nowhere in Colorado, it's not that easy. That'd be the other thing. When we play home games, can we not play them all in Glendale, Colorado, which is a humongous pain in the ass to get to? Right. Jesus, please. All right. Let's go to other things.
00:26:18
Speaker
Let's go to autumn internationals. We'll start at the principality where the roof got stuck open. Yeah. Three meter gap. I was like, Oh no. Hilarious. It's only funny cause it didn't happen here this time. Yeah, which we've seen it happen a few times here.
00:26:42
Speaker
I think the first time Seiko Field out in Seattle got stuck open after a rain came in. They're like, well, we actually might need a rain tarp just in case. But yes, you will. So, to the match. Not good, I mean, good and not good. It's hard to say one way or the other, really, depending on who you are, I guess. Yeah. You know, Nahuatl Tinawasi,
00:27:10
Speaker
is another wallaby wing. Yes. Terrifying. Terrifying that they have another back three player, you know, it's, and he, and he, he probably had been banging down that door for a little while and finally came through and it helps. Right. It helps that there are some injuries that that opened up a spot for him, but that happens. Right. And sometimes that's how you have to bet. Like, just like I was saying before, people have, you know, they play a little bit of favorites and, um,
00:27:38
Speaker
Of course, you know, what kind of no was he hasn't had the best run recently in super rugby. So it's like he came on like gangbusters his first year plus. It's just been really quiet since. So I kind of get that point. But he's also extremely talented. And part of that is, you know, yeah, I don't think he's been used enough. And I know he's been banged up. So no, this is great. He certainly made the most of his opportunity with a couple tries. Yeah, the
00:28:12
Speaker
Well, Wales started beautifully in so many ways. Morgan, Faletau getting over and seemingly controlled the match. They were up at halftime note. Yeah. 2013. Okay. Yeah. Fine. God got the, got the try to kind of get Australia away from it. Uh, I think it needs to be acknowledged though, that
00:28:35
Speaker
show you didn't quite start to completely kick through, click through gears until a little CEO came on. Come on. I'm, I make sure I'm not completely making this. Yeah. He came on about 64. Yeah. 54. He came on. So they scored. Um, shortly after that, maybe that was the same time they scored. Uh, but then they score a scored conversion penalty, try, try conversion.
00:29:02
Speaker
And in that time they did not give up much either. No, they didn't give up anything. So maybe his role is off the bench. I don't know, but kid fricking played great again. Again, certainly did. You know, just hard to ignore it. Hard to ignore it for, for whales. This might be.
00:29:31
Speaker
I'm going to get freaking lambasted, I think. Go for it. I'm I'm over Justin Tipperick. Yeah, I don't know that he's I don't disagree. He was he was the one that gave away the yellow card. A yellow card, too, did not. Yeah, he gave away yellow. Yep. For a trip. Like, yes. Yep. Always silly when you give away a trip. You got to kind of just hang your head in shame. Be like, oh, I can't believe I did that. But not just that it is.
00:30:00
Speaker
I there used to be a presence from Justin Tipperick on the field that you were just like, oh, it's tips. Yeah, he doesn't have it anymore. Well, he he honestly and I hate to say this way, but he's he's 33. Right. Getting up there. Yeah. And he's playing which one is he playing? He's playing seven. Yeah.
00:30:22
Speaker
I don't know about that. It's another one of those like Jack Morgan played a better seven, I thought, then he did. Jack Morgan had a great game. And it's like, that's the thing you need. That was live wires. And Tipperick used to then fully recognize the Tipperick used to be that he used to be the the guy who was fucking everywhere. Totally. It that goes away. You know, I come to a point. Both Jared and I can tell you, it comes a point where
00:30:52
Speaker
It's just not the same anymore. And when you're an international seven, the margins are such that you lose just a half a step and you're a different player.
00:31:10
Speaker
And some players can keep going, like you see Michael Hooper, and now he gets hurt a little bit now and then. But there's two ways this goes. You start to get a little bit dinged up, like Michael Hooper, but when you're playing, you're still just a fucking beast. Or you're Tipperick, where you're that. He's still pretty dependable, I feel like.
00:31:32
Speaker
It's just you're 100% of the time you're there, but you're only like 70% of what you were. Yeah, he's a step off. Versus 100%, but only available like 50% or 60% of the time. That's the trade-off.
00:31:48
Speaker
Yeah, it is. And you look at there's we and I can think of a few names in the back row for whales that don't need to be him. Jack Morgan, obviously being in this game, Valentine's still belongs there, in my opinion. So that's not a news. That's that's there's no issue with that.
00:32:04
Speaker
But then a guy we'll talk about a little later, Tommy or fell. Tane Basham, I think is hurt. So that's no good. But he was excellent. What we saw him Wayne Wright. Again, I think he's banged up. And I think you just start need to start blooding players and getting them in there because
00:32:22
Speaker
If you're calling on the likes of tips and, and I loved tips and the days of Justin Tepperick and Dan Lydia were great. I really liked the two of them, but they're gone. And you just got to acknowledge that and keep moving forward. And that's how it is. I think.
00:32:37
Speaker
I think they have something with some of the players, some of the younger players, they blooded this autumn. Rio Dyer has clearly put his hand up to say, I belong on the national team. Because, you know, Wales really needed another back three player. Yeah, because they don't have Josh Adams or a loose resummon or anything like that. Right.
00:32:54
Speaker
So it's there, there are some good things to take away from the Sodom. Yes, they only won one game. It was pretty bad, but really, I think we, I think a lot of us went into this whole thing thinking whales are probably going to get snotted a few times and they're going to have to take it on the chin. And obviously it's now come down to the point where Wayne Peaback's fighting for his job. Yeah. I hate to say it, but anybody that's trying to stack their manager right now, their, their international coach right now, they're fucked.
00:33:23
Speaker
You're gonna have to overcompensate big time. That's the only thing. I agree with that in some cases and I disagree with that in others. In this case, for whales, I agree with it. And that's because right now whales are selecting their, I feel like whales are selecting their best players. Like they're putting out the best teams that they can. But they can, yes. And it's just that what the players are being asked to do is fucking stupid.
00:33:52
Speaker
And that's the problem is that it's too soon a time to turn that around and get the good players playing what they need to be doing. And then also having a coach that has his head out of his ass and can have them, can actually sort out how to get the best out of his players.
00:34:13
Speaker
There's a lot of work to do there. And I think I saw somebody say it like it takes 18 games to do that. And yeah, they're a little late. I'm not sure I would want to do that, but I don't know. I don't know that for whales, I think they don't have much choice. They don't. So that's the problem. Then you're financially crippling yourself too, because you're going to have to
00:34:37
Speaker
not hire one coach, you're gonna have to file it higher, like three high end coaches. Yeah. To try and get this thing to serviceable in a year. And that's, that really puts pressure on the finances of the whole thing anyway. And that's, they they've got issues there. So yeah, no, no, no dice, in my opinion. So let's figure out who else might think there was another flanker or a back row player. And I just can't, I'm blanking on his name.
00:35:07
Speaker
Um, who used to be good. Fuck. I mean, Warburton is not there. Yeah. Um, oh, Naveedee. Oh yeah. Josh Naveedee. Like he's, he should be around somewhere. Um, but is he. I think he's also banged up. Right. So there's that too. Yeah. And for, for the sake of Australia.
00:35:30
Speaker
Hey, he came away with two wins on a really tough tour. And I'm pretty sure they intended on doing this the way they did it. And they really pushed the depth of their squad and they, they found some good ones and they probably found, figured out which guys need to go home. So yeah. And that's how that goes. That's the good part. I would say is that they, you know, they can, when you blood new players, you kind of learn who to get in that whole system, like, you know, getting guys into the right spots and putting in your system.
00:35:57
Speaker
And they kind of have that, I feel like that, that's close.
England Rugby Struggles & Coaching
00:36:00
Speaker
And then check now it's time to figure out, okay, which players can play better within that system. You know, it's, they're, they're kind of locked into it. And I think that this tour helped that. Especially with their dad, like no walking into was he now has had the, this experience, which was huge playing, you know, a test level on the road in hostile environments. And he showed pretty well. So that's, that's important.
00:36:26
Speaker
for when they go to France. Right. I, yeah, I totally agree. We'll see. It'd be interesting to see what happens with super ugly for us. Cause like, you know, now you're looking at possibly no walking into Wassey, Tom Wright, and, um, I'm breaking on, um, Cora Betty.
00:36:44
Speaker
that you're looking at potentially that as your back three for Australia. And you know what? I'd be pretty happy with that back three. Right. And you still have the likes of Pattaya. You still have the likes of Tom Banks. And yeah, there's still some Callaway. There's still some serious depth out there. And then Pattaya started as a center. So you might be able to actually move him back to like 13 as well. So there's that option presented to you there. So you could float. Yeah. Good things. Good things to come for Australia, I think.
00:37:13
Speaker
We all float down here. Let's go over to Twix and like, first of all,
00:37:27
Speaker
Curly Arden said, it's fucking amazing. Like fucking amazing. This kid is lordy, lordy. We don't, they didn't need that in South Africa, but they have it now. Yeah. They needed another tiny winger who can just scoot and juke and make people look silly. Yeah. Another hot stepper as it were. Yeah. Very hot. Yeah. And it's,
00:37:59
Speaker
It's one of those things where this was not an amazing performance by South Africa by the eye, but what they love to do and how they love to play, this was spot on for them. Yeah, this is exactly what they wanted. This is again, that whole thing of they got England to play them exactly the way that they want their opponents to play, which puts them much more at ease and lets them do exactly what they want to do.
00:38:25
Speaker
Like, it's one of those things where it's like, okay, they played a good game and they got their opponents to play the game that they want to play against. Apparently Eddie really likes that style. And it's like, okay, let's play the one style that cannot beat. It's not that perfect. That's a good way to win. Yeah. Surely that'll go well.
00:38:48
Speaker
And who, what, what got into Damien villains with the drop goals? I was like, okay. Yeah. Hey, he's not great off the tee, but clearly he's got that down. He's good off the grass. Yeah, I guess so. Maybe just need to give him a mound of grass to kick off next time. Pretty good stuff. And you know, the one guy that I wish I could poo all over, but I'm not going to, because he actually played brilliantly until he had to come off with an injury is Faf.
00:39:20
Speaker
Like he was, he was who he is just to the level where he got Johnny Hill in trouble. Like, and that was pretty much the end. And they were, and God, somebody bring me Dowie Morris so I can punch him. Yeah. Fucking hell. But.
00:39:35
Speaker
he was being that pest. And that's what he that's what he's good at. And yeah, he walked down like his is that that that arm swing swinging arm that just went over Smith's head. Got to be very careful of that. Yeah, that's the thing. You know, that's the that's the fact I don't like that he has no and I know he's small and he feels like he can do whatever he wants. He's not really going to hurt anybody. But it's like just takes the next week. Exactly. Right. But
00:40:06
Speaker
as far as his like, especially with him with ball in hand and attacking, he was good. He was, he really was. And he outplayed everybody on the other side, certainly both nines on the other side. Certainly. Yeah. You know, and it's what do you do if you're England? Like, so here's where, here's where I think England and the RFU
00:40:35
Speaker
should peer into the very shadows of HQ to the stoop and look at what they did not last you the year before, two years ago. Years ago, yeah. And say, you know what they did is that they had the coach and it just wasn't working. And they said, we can do this.
00:40:59
Speaker
Like like they fired it, you know, just to shake it up. But also then they were like, let's just fucking go for it. Like the kind of rugby that we were talking about earlier. Mm hmm. Like, let's just go score some points. And they did. And it was awesome. And they won. Yeah. And then they lifted a trophy at the end. I would like I still I still think that they could do that and play fucking Wildcat. Just go. You say, you know what? Like.
00:41:24
Speaker
Fuck it style like it's I think that's the thing that I the one reason why I wouldn't want to do that is that I don't know that England as a country is I don't think their culture will allow it as far as like I think it would be a bad mix on the rugby pitch because it's you know, they're very it's you know, very structured and ordered and whatnot and that
00:41:47
Speaker
if you just say, you know what, we're firing Eddie, we're just gonna get the best players and we're gonna play like barbarian style, not like loosey goosey shit, but we're just gonna go and run and have fun and let our players talent drive us as far as they can. Now, I know that there's reasons why you don't do that too, because it's a World Cup and you don't wanna, but really what realistically, you keep Eddie, what's your ceiling at the World Cup?
00:42:13
Speaker
quarterfinal. Yeah, like they might win a quarterfinal depends on who their who their who they play. So like really and then what's their pool? They have Argentina in their pool. I know that. So right. And you're like you already lost to them at home. So like, you think you're gonna beat them the same? Like, I don't think so. Like,
00:42:42
Speaker
So then you look at the other teams and you're like, okay, you can beat that. You probably beat them. Where am I? Or is it England, Japan, Argentina, Samoa, Chile? I think they could beat Samoa and Chile, probably Japan just by out-physicallying them. They could beat them without really having a set structure or whatever in place. Argentina, they may have to actually play a wide open game just to stay in it with them.
00:43:07
Speaker
So it's like, that's why I would almost just go like, we are going to, yeah, just pick our best players and see who can play better rugby. That would be what I would do. And I know that's completely unorthodox and insane, but I think it's less insane than going to a World Cup with Eddie Jones and this bullshit that he's putting out there.
00:43:38
Speaker
Yeah, it's somewhere between 50 and 50. Right. And to me, if it's that point, then it's like, let's fucking go. Because like, I'm sorry. Johnny May. Jack Noah. Noah was terrible. No. No, no, no. Noah was awful. Like they were just, they don't do anything. They don't do anything. I saw Freeman and I thought, great. And then he brought him off a hat. Of course, they bring him off and put Noah down.
00:44:05
Speaker
Because, yeah, you don't need any, yeah, like, your wings are getting fucking eaten alive. Or, you know, you're out there, their wings are eating you alive. Let's put your slowest wing out there, you know, possibly. Yeah, I know Johnny May isn't as fast as you, he can still cook a little bit. But like, at least he, no, no one can do shit. I don't get it. I don't get it.
00:44:32
Speaker
Not international quality. That's just how it is. And then of course we see Ollie Haslam Collins like fucking torch it up. Right, you know, like the next day. It's like, so you're going to tell me that this, that this guy is not as good as Jack Nell. Like. Cade Murley. Cade Murley. There's too many of them. Max Malins. Why isn't, why the fuck isn't he there? Radwin. Like there's too many guys who can run and play rugby and they're not developing them at all.
00:45:01
Speaker
And it's like, you know, like, that's why it's not important. I know he wrote the thing he wrote in 2017. But that was five years ago. And yeah, I don't see the emphasis on it from him. So it's hard to say that, you know. So I don't believe that he really wants to develop youth. I think he just wants to give him service. But you look at you look up and down this lineup. And who is your who's your burner?
00:45:30
Speaker
Who's your danger man here? I mean, Freeman would have been. Right. But they didn't use him for it. No, they didn't use him at all. I think we both are in the same boat. Don't understand the fascination with Tui. Because first off, he's not as good as he used to be. And second off, how good was he ever really?
00:45:52
Speaker
Like really, how good was he? A few good games he had were in big spots, and that was probably the best you could say. Right. Like he came up big in some big spots. And that matters, but at the same time... Yep. Yeah.
00:46:06
Speaker
And, you know, Farrell is not, he's obviously not a hundred percent, but you got, I think, I think it is time to pick one and I would actually pick both and just be like, you know, Smith and Farrell, like, you know, if one starts, the other finishes, doesn't matter which don't care. Maybe switch it up game to game or, you know, the opponent to opponent, you know, depending on what they've got going for them.
00:46:31
Speaker
Cause you need a 12, you need a 13 and same thing. Chris Slade or Henry Slade. Sorry. I went back to my old football roots. Used to be a great defensive type. I think Henry Slade, I don't get it either from him. He's not much of an attacker. I think he scored the try, but I don't think it was, it was like a fancy, I think it was just a run over and score it. Just had to flop over really. Yeah. Like.
00:47:01
Speaker
Like I'm, yeah, I'm looking top to bottom of the scene. It's like Sam Simmons on the bench is a, is a, he's dangerous. Your poll could be dangerous, but they didn't really use him in that respect. Nope. Marcus Smith is, is dangerous, but he's needs help because he's, he's got to run. He's got to have support and none of those guys can keep up with him. Um, and then portly is kind of limited in Eddie Jones attack because he's not allowed to be himself for scoots and express himself.
00:47:31
Speaker
No. And then we have Jonathan fucking Hill, who's a fucking lump out there. What good did he do? Like, what could he do? So why would you have Alex calls at six when you could just fucking slide him into into five and put a decent like you had that Simmons and Curry's at six and seven.
00:47:51
Speaker
That worked so well. And you just go away from it. And they realized it's South Africa and you want to beef up for them. But how well did that work for Johnny Hill? All he did was get a shit ton of penalties and then then and the reverse on him. Yeah. And then the one reversal for no reason. That was the dumbest fucking thing. What are you doing?
00:48:11
Speaker
Like, how do you not know better? Moron. Moron. And at that point. That's what he does, though. That's what he does. Like, people are like, oh, it got sold. I'm like, no, Baff knew what he was doing. But at the same time, like, he knew it was Johnny Hill because Johnny Hill would bite on that all day. Right. That's what he does. He's a shit house extraordinaire. And right. That's not something you need at international level. Right. Johnny Hill's got to be he's got to know what he's doing, who he's fucking with. Because, yeah, yeah, he did. All he did was kind of pick him up, but he did throw him a little bit.
00:48:40
Speaker
Like, it's not if he had just picked him up, that would have been one thing, but it was that little toss and yeah, obviously Faf milked it, but that's what Faf does. You gotta know better. You gotta know that. Like, you can't be stupid. Like, that's, that's what I just don't get. What talent does he have out there that makes up for his, his fucking lack of brains? He doesn't, he doesn't have enough by any means for me. So like, that's, that's kind of where I'm going with this whole, you know, wildcat type approach to the World Cup because
00:49:10
Speaker
They're already not at the standard just because of the, by the, with the players. So fuck it. Just get the best players and go let them, let them play that bet. I bet they like bet you could take an England field, a second England squad of guys that, you know, some of the guys that Eddie doesn't like, or some of the guys that are kind of in a little medians and outs, um, and beat Eddie's team because there are so many of them, like, you know, like Johnny Hill, like, um, you know,
00:49:38
Speaker
I'm going to allow you like Johnny May and Jack. No, they're just not that fucking good at all. Nope. So that's where I am. There is I would want that. I know it's easy for me to say I'm over here with in the U.S. and it doesn't really. You know, I'm just looking to be entertained, if anything, for this. And this is just not entertaining. I know everybody. I know the entertaining. It's not successful. So I'll go with one. You know, right. Plus, plus the other thing is, though,
00:50:08
Speaker
If you do it like that, you can work that and build support. You know, be like, it's us against the world, right? We had to do this because it was poisonous. We're getting rid of that. And yeah, maybe it's a little bit of a stab in the back to Eddie, but he kind of needs it. He's just not been done. His ego needs a check, big time check. And to have that and be like, look, we're going to go do this. And maybe it could be a rally cry. Like, we are going to do this on our own. Yeah, we're not going to do it conventionally. We're going to do it this way.
00:50:38
Speaker
Cause then, you know, you start, if you, you know, all it takes is you start winning games and then people are like, Oh, maybe, maybe this is a good, you know, like, yeah, there's, there's ways to market that that gets people more interested because they need that too. Right. All right. Sorry. I'm sorry. Ben's on one. I've been thinking about this a little bit. Yeah.
00:51:02
Speaker
But yeah, I'm just not, I'm obviously not a fan of Eddie. You don't want him fucking here, certainly. This is what he will do to USA Rugby. I fucking don't want anything to do with it. I don't want anything to do with it. Pass. Yeah, they're not going to play to entertain under him. I can tell you that much. Yeah, I've given Eddie like as much, you know, I've given him enough rope. I'm done. And I've been done for a little bit, but you can't go into the World Cup with this mentality, with this approach. No.
00:51:32
Speaker
Not the deal. All right. Something we didn't cover at the top, but we weren't going to miss on it. Sad, sad news out of Scotland. Dottie Rear has come to his illness and passed. And I know I spoke about him last week, the other week, and probably didn't look great. I didn't realize how close to the end he was. Tell Little I know about this whole thing, but... Right.
00:52:00
Speaker
Oh, at least he got a chance to say goodbye. And we got to see him one more time. But man, just you know, when you see you see the everything that's set up that's been said about him on Twitter, it's
00:52:16
Speaker
not only respect but how wonderful of a person he was and just to be a mountain of a man but also just such a gentle person and away from the pitch and he's a he really was a good person from all accounts so it's one of those people that you're really sad to lose in the world and we had a good one with the rugby world and this one and
00:52:41
Speaker
So sad to see him go. So, so sad. Yeah, great representative of the game. Even as he broke down. Really not. It's not an easy disease, obviously enough even to hear that, but. It's one of those things where it's very. Prideful, this is a guy who was, as you said, a fucking giant and.
00:53:10
Speaker
Just such an excellent players an excellent athlete, you know The ability to use your body to do amazing things Is and then lose that is a it's a nightmare for it's like the I don't know how else to describe it because it's like you all these things that just were able to happen and they just don't and There's shame involved in that
00:53:36
Speaker
And yeah. And he was not afraid to just say, look, this is, this is who I am now. This is, this is what I am dealing with and just put it out there. I think that's hugely important because we see that in other ways. We see out with like, you know, um, what Steve Gleason over here in the U S and football and guys who made sure that they were visible all the way through their journey here. And I think that's important because it makes it that much more.
00:54:01
Speaker
Because it's also that shocking for fans. So like you said, it was shocking to see Dottie like that. And we really need to fix this. And we need to fight this. And I'm just glad that he was able to say goodbye, as you said, and that he was also able to see that, no, we're this, we can't, obviously we can't beat it in his lifetime, but we're going to beat it. It's going to happen. And so that's, I hope that would some comfort.
00:54:29
Speaker
But yeah, just a general thank you to Dottie for fucking Hall of Fame life, sir. Really well done. Excellently done. Hall of Fame person. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Our thoughts and our condolences and our best wishes go out to his family and his loved ones and everybody that he touched, which sounds like it was a lot of people. A lot of people. Yeah. And it just, you know, some many heartfelt messages of
00:54:54
Speaker
Not only just teammates on the field for Scotland, but also Lions teammates and you we've seen what the bonds and those tours grow and The T the the Lions tourists that got to know him were clearly the ones that were speaking the loudest and it was it spoke it says a lot because you know, you could easily just
00:55:16
Speaker
you know, be a dick on those tours, and he's not. And, you know, you can have your favorites if they're your teammates on your international team on your club team. But when you go and cross over with that on the lines tour, and there's still people that are just gushing about who you are as a person, right? It says a lot about where you are as a person. So yeah, many thoughts with Dottie and his family and his loved ones. And
00:55:39
Speaker
Yeah, continue to push my name is Dottie and all that stuff. I'm going to put a link to his donation page in the show notes as well so people can go ahead and chip in with that when they can. OK, let's go to the Prem. And we will start on Friday night. At the stoop, so we'll go the stoop first. And Quinn's return to the field and it's.
00:56:09
Speaker
It's the same chapter, different verse for a lot of reasons. The Guins are the, yeah, no, no Marcus, obviously, but they still have Danny care. They still have Tommy Allen. They still have Alex Donbrandt. Like they, they had plenty of firepower and they used all of it. But oh, oh my God. Like.
00:56:29
Speaker
the brilliance of Ernie Herbst. I was like, that sort of advantage is for not the bullshit, like trying to fucking muscle it over, do something fun. Like you would never expect it from Ernie Herbst, not even close. So I don't I'm of the opinion and I'm not taking anything away from him on this. I'm on the opinion that.
00:56:52
Speaker
He didn't do that intentionally. It was like he was trying to catch it and then realized that he didn't, he was either going to, he was going to knock it on. And you said, yeah, it's advantage. So you just kind of was like, all right, let's just keep it going. Why not? Let's see what happens. Instead of trying to pull it down. He's like, nope, just go. Like, which is still brilliant.
00:57:12
Speaker
It is in so many ways because it's like so because yeah, it depends, you know, when you when you mean to do something, you know, you're planning for it. I think it's even more impressive that he did it, you know, on the fly, like this isn't going to work. Just just get it. Go get it. Give it to Dom or whoever. Like he didn't know who was behind him, but it just went right to the right spot. So that was. Yeah, you look pretty, you know, stoically happy after it's about to do so.
00:57:41
Speaker
And and then the rust creeped in a little bit for for them and Gloucester were not great on the day by any means whatsoever. I think they would admit that as well, because we didn't see any points scored in the second half, did we? That's my I would love to be able to tell you that. But I know I'm looking at the site is wins Twitter feeds. That's the one I'm going by here. And it's. Yeah, there was that was that was the halftime score 21 12. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. There it is.
00:58:11
Speaker
Damn. Yeah, and I just wasn't that wasn't that there's really nothing here. Holy crap. No, there's literally nothing there. And wow. Way to go. Crap. You guys are crazy. That's one thing. This is why I miss TRM. Yeah. Because TRM, I would just go to the TRM page and look up because it would have all basically everything you would need here. But the stuff has fucking nothing we need. It's lost. We're just poor. Obviously missing their their.
00:58:41
Speaker
weren't quite I mean they weren't missing their internationals but it was still like freaky and not not quite right. Mm hmm. Definitely creaky stone to fly half when they need.
00:58:54
Speaker
Uh, what's his butt from Scotland to come back? Get healthy or they need to like start playing Barton. Honestly. Yeah. I don't know why they, I think that him for a while. I think you can go back to fullback and they can just get rid of Lloyd Evans. Right. I did. I did like that. They put credit at 10 though. I thought that was hilarious when I realized that it wasn't, it didn't click for me until I had the game on and they were announcing it and I was like, Holy shit, they're actually doing it.
00:59:20
Speaker
Yes, I did. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense. I mean, you know, if the guy can play ten at an international level, he can play ten at the prem level. It would be OK. I think that I think they still could have moved him back to full back and played Martin at 10. Yeah. Get rid of it, Evans, like just right. Send Lloyd Evans somewhere, not Gloucester, because he's exactly that. That's really what it is, is that they got to get Lloyd Evans off the fucking field. He was bad. Thank you for reminding me on that. He was quite bad. Yeah. You lied to me.
00:59:50
Speaker
Anyway, poor poor job by him and Gloucester. Better job by Quinn's and back on the winning streak. Up to the tune. And we said this would speak volumes about where both teams are. It tells me that Newcastle could have something brewing and Exeter are. I think they're in deep enough trouble that if they don't find a way to write the ship that they need to start considering firing Baxter.
01:00:21
Speaker
I don't think that's going to that won't happen mid year, but no, but at the end of the year. Yes. I mean, I would absolutely support like there are people who think Rob Baxter should be England coach. I mean, come the fuck. Please. No, please. Look at this. Please. No, no. Look at what Exeter play. Look at them having fucking five locks out there.
01:00:39
Speaker
Yeah, you'd see. You'd see Maro Coles and Rick and Billy at the back, and then they put a hill and, you know, ribbons. Right. That's what you'd see. No, no, no, no. I want none of that. And. Yeah, it's just not. And that then, you know, I think this is basically what I said last week, was that they just don't have the jam to go up there and win on the road because it's in Newcastle is a tough place to play. And
01:01:10
Speaker
That's kind of how it went. They just didn't have enough to finish because they didn't score. They didn't score in the second half. No, they didn't. And they they apart from a guy like actually another one. Wait, did nobody score in the second half of this match, too? What was the halftime score? No, no. I think that penalty. Oh, is it a penalty try? Yeah. OK, yes, whatever. Yeah. No, I mean, it's still not great. Right. It means whatsoever.
01:01:40
Speaker
Yeah, let me look. Hold on. I will. Yeah, it's not the premise side has a twenty four twenty one, but only lists two tries. Oh, that's always awesome. Yeah, well, that's and that's why we go to Twitter feeds. But anyway, it's still not good by any means whatsoever. And they just don't have the ability apart from a few guys like they don't have a Mateo Carreras by any means like Mighty Mouse is quickly becoming one of my favorite players to watch like that's fun. He is.
01:02:08
Speaker
all over the place. And geez, if they can find a way to unleash him and Radwin in the same breath, like, good luck. I don't want I don't want to know what the hell's going on with in your brain when you're watching that because it's not gonna be fun. You know, I'll just
01:02:24
Speaker
Yep. Don't even know. And it's just, it's, yeah, you have Van Heerden who's been scoring try after try, but he's a, he's just falling over the line. That's all right. It's a day viewers try. Like it's not really anything impressive or special. It's just, Hey, good. Ram somebody over. Excellent. It's like our old buddy disco bill. Like he's, he scored fricking five tries and gained a total of five meters between them all. Like just how it is. It's no, it's not good.
01:02:53
Speaker
It really isn't. So you look at the things that are going on at Newcastle with the likes of Guy Pepper, who might be a thing. I think he's a thing. And we'll talk about that in the next pod, but I am all on board the Guy Pepper train. So we'll see what's going on, but there's something there.
01:03:19
Speaker
You know, there's something there with this Newcastle team. I know that they're probably still not going to threaten for anything like top eight. No, no, but there's something going on. They probably, they don't have their planners for me even. Yeah. They need, they need. Well, they have pepper now. He seems pretty damn good. Um,
01:03:38
Speaker
Chick hasn't been terrible, but they really need some other, another fetcher too. Yeah. They need somebody else in there. Collette wasn't more bad when he was in there. Yeah. If he can improve, maybe they, yeah, maybe they have something there. See if I can find this. It doesn't, it honestly isn't that important. So I'm not going to worry about it. Let's go to sale and.
01:03:59
Speaker
This was a good match for a little while. And then sale just said, nah, nah, we're not going to do this anymore. Yeah, we're done. Yeah. Screwed them a little bit, but eventually put them away. By the way, we've got to do pre. Oh, wait, we have to. We have three jokes on you all.
01:04:20
Speaker
And they have a Tom Roebuck, too. Yes, they do. He's quite good. He is good. I mean, that's that's the thing. You know, Tom Roebuck said that we didn't mention him earlier in England. No. He he was up there getting the high ball better than fucking.
01:04:41
Speaker
No, well, no, well, certainly. Yeah. Like this guy can go up and get, okay. Like it was, it was robot. We did that. Right. I'm trying to think of it. Yeah. He got, he got, he got, um, Hey, he scored off one of the kickoffs, didn't he? I think. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Take whatever it was. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. You wouldn't see that. No, we'll do that. You can't do it anymore. So probably not. Probably not.
01:05:08
Speaker
Little better from Bristol though, not quite as rudderless as we've seen them in the past few weeks. I guess a good team and in a tough spot.
01:05:18
Speaker
So yeah, give them a little bit of credit. Right. And well, AJ belt, like this to me is the best possible. Well, okay. Outside of winning, but that let's be honest, it's not going to happen yet. They're not that good yet. They're getting better, but this was like, you know, this, this sailor are obviously not bad, right? They're, they're towards the top end of the table. And then that's for a reason. And.
01:05:44
Speaker
That's part A. Part B is that AJ Pell is so fucking hard to play at. Yes. It's not easy. And Bristol went up there and gave him Watford. Yeah. So that's... They gave him a run, no doubt. That's, I think, the best that Bristol could hope for. Because that, and also, I think this will be sustainable. I think this may help them turn it around a little bit. A little better, yeah, I think.
01:06:12
Speaker
I'm getting a losing bonus point. I mean, seriously, the way they've been playing with, with, you know, their two and six it's they're struggling. They're, they're almost a hundred points. Um, they're almost at a hundred point point differential where they're, you know, there's points for significantly lower than their points against it's not going well. Um, but
01:06:36
Speaker
This could be, you know, again, just like you said with, with new castle, they're not going to threaten top four. Certainly at this point, it's just too far away. It's one of those, like you can't win, like they cut solid saying baseball. It's a long season. You can't win the title in April, but you can lose it. You can lose it. Yep. Um, the, the, you know.
01:06:54
Speaker
The Bears have lost it by the end of September of November, November, the end of October, really. But at this point in November, it's gone. But they'll at least be respectable. But they could challenge for champions, potentially, potentially, not that far away. They got to write it. But yeah, right. Right. I just coming back this week.
01:07:13
Speaker
That's what I've heard. So we'll see. Right. So there's there's potential. And Piers O'Connor is on form now. Yes. So that's the good thing for them. So if they get the two of them firing together, that'll be actually really great for them. Exactly. That's that's kind of where I'm going with it, is that some of their players that they're really going to need are popping up more and I thought had a pretty good game this match. And if it were a fuck. Yeah. Who knew? Right. Right. Comes back from the depths of God knows where to be like, oh, by the way, I'm still good.
01:07:42
Speaker
Still quality. Right. So they've got. There's options there and that's it's getting that back line there is getting better and it's only going to get better. So. And Will Porter played a pretty good match, too. So again, there's there's a lot to. To work with there in Bristol now, and it's you know, Lam will get it right, I think. I think I think he's getting it right. Yeah, so literally, yeah. Sunday.
01:08:12
Speaker
over to welfare road, uh, Tigers and London Irish. This got a little out of hand down point. It was anybody's game. Really was. I was surprised by that. Yeah. Same time. Same time. Again, the same thing at that outcome. Like this, this Irish team does not have the jam to go on the road to welfare road and, and take it. Yeah. That's kind of a lot. They don't.
01:08:39
Speaker
Yeah, they had the, apart from Virginia Rawa, the right people were scoring for them. We can say that. Rodgerson, Hassell Collins, Pearson, maybe Rodgerson, less so, but still Pearson, Hassell Collins. They got to get rid of this tan, and not just because he's a piece of shit, but he is bad. He's been really bad.
01:09:02
Speaker
David is saying otherwise, I really want to know what you're seeing because I don't see it right now. He's whatever bullshit they're putting up with because he was in decent form. Yeah, it's gone now. Like just get rid of him. Go find yourself a new 10. There's plenty of young 10s out there that need a little run and that you can sign. It's to the point that when Atkinson was coming on, when they showed him and getting, you know, warming up and getting, getting ready to come in, I'm like,
01:09:27
Speaker
Could you imagine if he was warming up for the for the exiles right now, if he was going to come up like it was one of those like, you know, both of them had a shot at it. Exiles had had a chance to. But, you know, they've put so they've invested so much into.
01:09:42
Speaker
this asshole that they don't want to, you know, they can't, I don't know if they can do that, but fuck, they need something. They need to start working on the next, the next guy up because he's not good. And yeah, Atkinson, I think would have come in and won that game for them. I think Atkinson would have done a lot of good for a team like them for sure.
01:10:04
Speaker
I mean, I'm glad, you know, I'm glad I'm also glad for him that he's on Lester because I think Lester will develop him much better. They'll take it. They'll take good care of him. No doubt. Right. So I'm happy for him there. I think he could have helped another team more. That's I think that's that's there's that that switch off. It's like this is best for him. He could have been fucking MVP of like two or three other teams.
Irish Squad Performance
01:10:25
Speaker
Yeah, he could have gotten player of the year on a short short year for a lot of games. Right. No question.
01:10:32
Speaker
And this, you know, this, uh, cause this Irish squad is loaded. You know, we're talking about guys who can, who can scorch. I mean, we saw it, right? We saw some columns. Yeah. That's the Collins. Um, we saw Pearson do, do pretty well. Uh, and that was set up as a Collins, wasn't it? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Um, you know, Bedhard Jens van Rensberg is everywhere. He's he.
01:10:56
Speaker
Regardless of whatever stats we're looking at, he is a good rugby player. Hands down, like, unquestionably. He is a very good rugby player, and they got him for a song. So that is highway robbery at its finest right there for them. So arguably better than his other namesake that was in the prem for a little while.
01:11:22
Speaker
And
Player Performance Analysis
01:11:23
Speaker
Sennar, you won two line-outs. I mean, come on. Yeah, that was pretty ridiculous. I was like, oh, he just jumped. Okay. I remember seeing him once. I thought it was a gimmick. Nope, they're going to use him. I was like, okay, if it works, why buck with it? But yeah, he's very multifaceted, which is good. Right.
01:11:45
Speaker
You know, that only makes you better as a player. It makes you more useful as well. So there's, yeah, there's a lot to like about this squad, except, you know, like that's, and all of them are like, so sometimes you kind of, you know, a 10 can have a really sneaky, good game and you don't really realize it until afterwards. You're like, holy shit. Like everything that was awesome flew, flowed through that 10. And I just didn't see it because it was flowing.
01:12:14
Speaker
But it's pretty obvious that the individual players around this player, they're doing the best they can with what's in front of them. It's just not the best attack. It's not always the best decision. They're not being put in the best possible spots. He's kind of dragging them down. It's noticeable that they're like, that's the way I see it is when you're like, okay, you can kind of
01:12:43
Speaker
You know, as you're watching, you say, OK, the pastor probably go there because I think this is where the gap is from what you have to do. There's a lot of memorization of where the players might might, you know, are setting up and whatnot. But like you can kind of see it even as they're they're launching, you can be like, oh, man, right after the players, like if the ball went there, like they would be gone. And it doesn't, you know, some some tens hit that like, holy shit, how do they see that? They just do. Right.
01:13:10
Speaker
And then there's some like this where you're like, I see more holes than they're hitting. Which is bad. So to me that, that, that, right. That tells me that the person in charge of getting the ball to where the hole is, is not doing a good job. But then you have
Dan Bigger's Views & Farewell
01:13:28
Speaker
Tommy or felt who has just been working his ass off quietly over at Western for a little while. Right.
01:13:34
Speaker
Just, he is a worker. He really is. And yeah, there's really no other way to say it. And he had 16 tackles and he didn't miss one. I want to know, I want to know where he peaks.
01:13:51
Speaker
Because I don't know, he keeps getting better. Yeah, he's getting better. He really is. Like he has been like it's been you know, year after year, it's been like, hey, I kind of like that guy. And I you know, I see him do some some decent things here and there, too. I'm seeing that guy a lot of these now like, yeah, but he's noticeable. Like I've no you know, I don't like
01:14:12
Speaker
Like for fells been around for three years, maybe it's hard to take. Yeah. Really in the scene. Right. And originally it was one of those, when he first came on as his first year, it was like.
01:14:23
Speaker
I like what I'm seeing there. And it was enough to be like, even though we've played sparingly, to be like, oh, oh, Rafael is playing again. Okay. I want to see what, I want to see this guy. I want to see what that guy does. Yeah. You know, how we're doing with Pearson and the Pepper now, like, you know, like I want to see more of that guy. And Rafael is all he has done is just get better and better and better. Yep.
01:14:42
Speaker
So it's scary. Yeah. There's a lot of good to like there. Hopefully we see more in a whale shirt as well. I know that's, there's some controversy around that, but not, not, not for discussion at the moment of the bigger comments. Was it bigger who
Rugby Culture Celebration
01:14:56
Speaker
said that that they got to scrap the 60 cap rule? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I liked Dan bigger.
01:15:02
Speaker
I do too. You got to say his farewells to, um, to the gardens as well. He was at, he was at, he was there at their, um, they were playing the Baba's I think. Right. Right. Yeah. That was cool. And Tom would get a nice proper send off as well. So that was pretty sweet to see. Did you see the kibberigee celebration?
01:15:22
Speaker
No, I did not. He scored. He jumped the, he jumped the boards and he ran up and sat, sat on one of the steps. That is a Bob us thing right there. And that was brilliant. It's like, yup. This is why you're supposed to play for this club. That's why it's fun. That's awesome.
Fantasy Corner Preview
01:15:40
Speaker
Oh yes. Brilliant stuff. All right. That's the rugby pod pods for us.
01:15:49
Speaker
We're going over to fantasy corner. We are drawing our draft and we'll explain how everything's going to work for champions cup and champions league and all that stuff, but we're drawing our champions league draft. Um, it's going to be, it's going to be fun and kind of interesting either way. Um, we're still not 100% sure when we were drafting, but we're going to drop this weekend just the same. So.
01:16:09
Speaker
If you're interested in that, head over there. Fancy Corner, obviously, will obviously be covering this weekend's Prem action with most of the internationals, hopefully returning to action with their clubs. FancyRubyPodcast.gmail.com. Make sure you go buy Fancy Rugby Geek and Coffee because he deserves it and he's our friend. So yes, he's everybody's friend.
01:16:31
Speaker
But yeah, if you're not, he really needs coffee at the moment. Yeah. He needs coffee kids at home, working his ass off his job, the whole survey. Yeah. Um, if you're not coming to fancy corner, then we'll talk to you next week. When we start talking about champions, cause it's that time, but here I will talk to you over there, but either way, we appreciate you all for listening and we'll talk to you soon. Have a good one later.