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S3.E1 - Blue Zones - Preface - Sardinia
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This week, Adam leads our discussion of the Preface - Chapter 2 from Blue Zones, Second Edition: 9 Lessons for Living Longer From the People Who’ve Lived the Longest by Dan Buettner.
- Preface (1:53 - 3:55)
Why did we choose to read Blue Zones?
- Chapter 1: “The Truth About Living Longer” - (3:56 - 14:26)
Which responses from the doctors interviewed about aging and living long were most interesting?
- Chapter 2: “The Sardinian Blue Zone” - (14:27 - 33:04)
What can we learn about the Sardinian blue zone as it relates to our life? (14:27 - 26:02)
Is there anything about the Sardinians that inspired you that you will try to incorporate into your daily routine? (26:03 - 33:04)
- Resources referenced or discussed in today’s episode:
1. Studies related to Adam’s comment about health risks of those who exercise but are sedentary the remainder of the day
- American Journal of Epidemiology study: click here
- National Library of Medicine study: click here
2. Netflix documentary series: Live to 100: Secrets of the Blue Zones
Next week we’ll discuss chapter 3: “The Okinawa Blue Zone” (pages 65 - 119)
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Introduction to Books Brothers Podcast
00:00:05
Speaker
Welcome to the Books Brothers podcast, a book club turned podcast where each week we read books, reflect on them as they relate to our life, and connect with each other by sharing our experiences. I'm Adam. I'm Rob. I'm Flez. I'm Thomas. I'm Matt. I'm Garrett. Welcome to
Season Three Announcement: 'The Blue Zones'
00:00:21
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season three. We're excited to start this season where we'll be reading and discussing the book, The Blue Zones, nine lessons for living longer from the people who've lived the longest by Dan Butner.
00:00:30
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Why 'The Blue Zones'?
00:01:51
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So before we get started on the reading today, I first wanted to lead with why we decided to read this book for the Books Brothers podcast and what we are excited about as we read and discuss the topic of blue zones. Thomas, can you speak a little bit to this?
00:02:03
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Yeah, so at first glance, Blue Zone's Secrets to Living Longer might be a title that you'd think, why are these guys in their early 30s reading this book? What's the deal? Kind of seems like a boring book, kind of seems not very relatable to this kind of demographic.
00:02:22
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And in a sense, I guess I agree, but this book was made into a Netflix documentary, which I think Rob actually told me about. And I think we've both watched it. It was really interesting. It had a lot of information that I feel like anybody of any age can put into practice in their life. And I feel like that information could enhance your life.
00:02:45
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at any age and allow you to live longer in the process and hopefully those around you kind of like spread that wealth because that's what a lot of people want at the end of their life obviously is to be surrounded by the people they love and to be able to live long healthy lives and stay active. So I think this is a good one. I hope you guys all find it interesting.
00:03:06
Speaker
Thanks, Tom. And I think the one thing I just would want to add is I think we're a group of guys that's very focused on excelling in different ways. And I think one way is with your health and your fitness.
Insights from 'The Blue Zones'
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And I really hope that with this book, and we learned some good stuff as it relates to health, I know when we read Scarcity Brain, there was a people group that were talked about that they ate single ingredient foods and they had very minimal heart disease as a result.
00:03:34
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I think that all interested us a lot, and I know from that a lot of us changed our eating habits. I'm excited to look at some of these people groups and see what kind of things that they're doing to stay healthy. I think it's been cool to see RD so far, not just to focus on food, but also lifestyle as well as the social component to that.
00:03:56
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So as mentioned, we're going to go through the preface in chapters 1 and 2 today. I'll lead off with a summary. In the preface, we hear about the author's experience of working for National Geographic, setting the areas of the world with concentrations of some of the world's longest-lived people, areas termed Blue Zones. Specifically, he talks about his time in Okinawa, Japan with a 104-year-old woman named Ushi.
00:04:18
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On the mission of this book, the author quotes, we've packed this book with insights from other centenarians about living life well. Their stories cover everything from child rearing to learning how to be likable, from getting rich to finding and keeping the love of your life. From them, we can all learn how to create our own personal blue zones and start on the path of living longer, better lives.
00:04:37
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In Chapter 1, The Truth About Living Longer, Dan notes how, for generations, civilization has been after a mystical way to have a long and healthy life. Whether it be a fad diet, magic pill, or even a search for the fountain of youth, people desire to find quick and easy health solutions. His hope with this book is to find the answer by looking at the people groups who are living the longest. In this chapter, he asks a variety of doctors questions about aging, such as what is aging, what are the chances of living to 100,
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What can add on more good years and a few others? Before we get into chapter two in the first Blue Zone, are there any responses that the doctors had to these questions that stuck out to you all as interesting?
Reflections on Aging and Living Well
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I think just the essence of aging is that, you know, Dr. Robert Kane says just your inability to practice any kind of coping mechanism, just basically your failure to maintain any sort of internal control and balance.
00:05:29
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And it's kind of scary, but in seeing like, uh, you know, my stepfather having that and seeing that, you know, first, firsthand, it kind of makes you step back and think like, what can I do to prevent that from happening, to prevent my, uh, ability to cope with life healthily, to prevent that from going away. For me, a lot of it has to do with.
00:05:54
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not just living long, but living long well.
00:05:59
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That was an interesting point the author has made and some of the doctors answered in his initial questions about, there's not just, there's two issues. How long can I live and then how well can I live? And the author, I think rightly hit on the head, at least for me, I typically equate getting old with decreasing enjoyment. I just kind of like prolonging your kind of a way to death, but
00:06:29
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talking about those preventative ways like Flez was saying, dieting, exercising, living well day in and day out. We might be missing out on a decade of actual good years, not just getting old and like sitting around waiting to die in constant pain and aching, but actually enjoying and thriving even in old age. So that's been kind of a shift I've had thus far in my mindset about
00:06:59
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living long and aging well, since I've started reading this book. Yeah, Garrett, I think they say like add years to your life and life to your years. Yeah. So definitely can relate. I'm excited to learn about that. But I would say also just wisdom equals knowledge plus experience was something I wrote down as well. So how do we gain knowledge and
00:07:25
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Add that to our experiences, plus our experiences to become not only mentally wise, but also physically, emotionally, socially wise, as we'll see in upcoming Blue Zones.
00:07:39
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One thing I thought was interesting was the fact that one of the people that were interviewed, at least in quoted in the intro here, all these guys are very well renowned scientists in their field of aging, but one of the quotes had something to do with the fact that there's no independent biological marker for aging.
00:07:58
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So in other words, aging seems to be able to be measured in different ways. And we still, I think, from what I can tell so far, don't really know a lot of things about the process of aging. And this book is nice because I feel like it gives us real results of lives lived. And it's not just kind of a theory or speculation, because these people, regardless of the markers,
00:08:27
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they're winning in this aspect. Yeah, I think one thing that I remember learning as it relates to aging throughout education and Adam, I'd be curious to hear what you have too on this.
Weight Loss Medicines Discussion
00:08:38
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just that like aging is the result of the accumulation of inflammation. And so I feel like in so many dietary conversations and, you know, life conversations, people talk about like, how do you avoid inflammation? I mean, you see like all over like ads and stuff, because essentially like, you know, as that first quote that I mentioned, like the body's inability to cope with that change plays a role. But that was kind of one way I always learned it is
00:09:04
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like the body has more accumulative inflammation and struggles to deal with it.
00:09:09
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The question about the, like, is there a pill that can extend your life? I mean, I think it's cool that to be addressed, you know, it's something that I think of someone who's like having worked in healthcare. It's like, that's what's on everyone's mind. And on this topic, I mean, just a couple of years ago that, uh, like weight loss medicine came out. Do you guys remember what it's called? It was Zimpic. Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:34
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And Adam, I was actually, I was curious to hear what your thoughts were on that in particular, just because it's one where it's like, right now it's being toted as like, this is so different. This is going to change things. But I don't know, like, you know, being like a pessimist and being someone who has been, you know, trying to make healthy decisions. It's like, ah, it's just going to be another thing that doesn't work. And, um, but I think it really has been propped up as a huge game changer. But Adam, you have any thoughts on it?
00:09:59
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Yeah, I remember seeing some of the data coming out on that. I don't even know, like in 2020, maybe I remember seeing some of it for the first time and it's like, Oh yeah, this is like, this is going to be it. And there's some really interesting data on it. Are you guys familiar with this medicine we're talking about? So, so it's a, it's a peptide basically. And it's supposed to be for type two diabetes, right?
00:10:24
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that's originally what it was, you know, intended for. Yeah. Yep. So it's GLP one peptide. So basically what it does is it just basically I think reduces your appetite and then you're able to make better decisions. I think ultimately that's what it is. That's my understanding. I could be wrong and I'm sure there are way more. Yeah. I think it's one of those things where it's
00:10:48
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The good side of it is it maybe will help people that are just not going to make the right decisions no matter what. Maybe it'll help them and then maybe with the goal of eventually getting off of it in the future, just not sure that that's what the data shows is what's going to happen, but we'll see.
00:11:11
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It is, it does work, but you know, long-term solution wise, I'm not really sure. I can't really comment on that. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. And I don't mean to be on the spot with it. I just know that you're definitely the most knowledgeable of us here on it. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that stuff's going to go hopefully in the right direction.
00:11:30
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I don't think there will ever be a pill to take that'll just replace it. But I think if that's going to be like an aid, you know, hopefully that's good, but still going to need to exercise and need healthy. So. Yeah.
Living Well vs. Living Long
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So one of the doctor's definitions for aging is the gradual loss of physical capabilities, whether that's doing physical things or mental things. And the premise of this book is to live longer and to live well.
00:12:01
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But honestly, I would love to live well into my later years, but I don't know if I want to live long. And the reason why I've seen grandparents on my side and my wife's side of the family lose their loved ones and everyone that they're close with and they live far away. And we just don't have a culture of grandparents, great grandparents, staying close to families.
00:12:28
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So people who are really old, they've probably lost almost all of their friends, their spouses, people that they've loved growing up with their whole lives. So at this point, some of Emily's grandparents are the only ones left. They don't have any family members living in the same state. They're just lonely. And they're just asking, why am I still here on earth? What am I?
00:12:57
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doing with my life. Why am I still alive? And I don't really see our culture changing in the next 50, 60, 70 years of family being close all the time. While I do want to live well, I don't know if I want to live long. I would agree. Let's take a quick break for a word from our sponsors.
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Sardinian Blue Zone Characteristics
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I think that's a good segue as we get into some of these blue zones, because I know as we see this first blue zone, family plays a pretty big role. So in chapter two, we learned of the first and original blue zone, the Sardinian blue zone. The term blue zone was initially coined as a result of a famous demographer who, when studying the areas of highest concentration of long lived people, used blue ink to circle Sardinia, which is an island off of the west coast of Italy with a mountainous terrain.
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In this chapter, he interviews various Sardinian centenarians, as well as a 75-year-old shepherd named Tonino, who still walks 10 miles or more a day to perform his work duties as a shepherd. Unique to the Sardinians is that the men in particular live longer and healthier lives. This is thought to be partly due to the low stress lifestyle and common occupation of a shepherd.
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At the end of the chapter, Butner shares lessons learned from the Sardinian people, and they are eat a lean plant-based diet. Their diet focuses on grains, beans, vegetables, cheese, and only eating meat one day a week. Put family first. In Sardinian culture, families take care of each other in old age, drink goat's milk,
00:15:35
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When compared to cow's milk, it has more anti-inflammatory and anti-accident components. Celebrate elders. Compared to Americans, the Sardinian elders are much more involved in family roles. Take a walk. Due to the terrain of the region and occupation, many of these people walk five or more miles a day.
00:15:52
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Drink a glass or two of red wine a day. Red wine contains flavonoids and studies have shown diets high in flavonoids is associated with decreased incidence of cancer and heart disease. And lastly, laugh with friends. Many of the men in this culture spend their afternoon socializing. So after reading this, my question to you all is what can we learn from the Sardinian Blue Zone as it relates to our life?
00:16:14
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I think a lot of the exercise you get on a daily basis is huge. I know I'm working from home right now. I am having a hard time staying as active as I want to be. Even if I get into the gym and work hard for an hour, that's probably really not that big of a deal compared to a lot of cultures in the world that are commuting daily
00:16:35
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without using public transportation or a vehicle or they're going to the grocery store almost every day or they're walking to meet with people. It's something that I notice a lot more when I travel that a lot of other cultures have life set up in a way that really just encourages movement all the time.
00:16:53
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So the fact that they're in a mountainous region, I feel like just gives them so much more opportunities to continue to do that in a challenging way. Whereas here we kind of sit back in a recliner and don't do a whole lot once we reach a certain age, it seems like.
00:17:13
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Yeah, I recall that there was a study actually that looked at people who exercise but were like sedentary for the rest of the day. And I think they looked at sedentary in terms of like steps per day. And it basically showed that like if you worked out and you really didn't walk much else besides that.
00:17:31
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your risk of heart disease was just as high as if you didn't work out, which is interesting because obviously there's a big exercise, eat healthy, right? But it's not just exercise, but live a healthy lifestyle, be active. Interesting. I think of my time living in China, and to get even to public transportation, like the subway, we had to walk about a half a mile
00:17:57
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When we would go to class, we'd ride our bikes or go to the subway.
Cultural Differences in Activity
00:18:03
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I think I counted it on my short days, like short transit days. I was traveling about three to three and a half miles on a bike and on my longer days, it was like six and a half. So at a minimum, I was biking three to three and a half miles a day.
00:18:18
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And that's not including walking. I lost like 10 pounds that in one year and I wasn't even trying. I remember you come back and I was like, whoa, yeah, look different. Like not like before was any bad or anything. But I was like, well, you like had thinned out. Yeah, no, I did. Well, gyms there were expensive. So I was just doing like push ups and set ups and stuff at home. So yeah, I wasn't lifting weights.
00:18:47
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But I was still running and doing my typical workouts aside from weightlifting. And yeah, it just happened naturally. I wasn't really focused on portion control at that age. I was eating until I was full every meal and I was still just naturally losing weight and to that point of just being sedentary, driving to work.
00:19:08
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And yeah, the gym's down, down the steps. So I work out that I take the stairs up, you know, two flights of stairs, and then I can, yeah, just sit in my desk or just stay on that floor all day until I head home in my car. Just going off of
Family Roles in Longevity
00:19:27
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that. It's, it's funny, Garrett, you bringing that up. So I currently work like just over a mile away from my work or I live
00:19:38
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just over a mile away from my work. And before this job, I worked 0.8 miles away from where I lived. And not once did I walk or ride my bike.
00:19:55
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Not once, which is crazy, but you know, once I got off work, then I would ride my bike everywhere or I'd walk and flies and Adam, I'm sure you guys can relate too. Like I have a routine that I've been doing for the past 10 plus years with my dog that like, once I get home, we go for like 20, 30 minute walk every day. And my dog's getting older. And so like just thinking through, oh my gosh,
00:20:24
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When his time is up, that's a, that's an ingrained habit of my life that I would probably continue. Like it would feel weird to get off work and to not go on a walk. Um, and as many of you probably know, like that's when I call people too. So it's like a good time to connect with people, which I think is a thing is one of the traits of, um, the Sardinian blue zone is just.
00:20:50
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you know, putting family first, caring for their other, for their elders and not sending them off. And then also having kind of like a sarcastic humor with their buddies and stuff. And I think, you know, all of us can relate to that for sure. But just one thing that kind of hit me
00:21:08
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off of this chapter, and I know getting a little ahead to Okinawa, but just how much we children depend, like our parents depend on us for their longevity, you know, how much I'm around can like translate to adding life to our parents. And I think that that's
00:21:30
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mindful. As I know, some of our, you know, parents or step parents are getting older and things like that. So something that definitely hit me. And I think on page 53, they say 95% of centenarians, so centenarians are people that live to 100 had a daughter or granddaughter to care for them. So I hope I have a daughter or a granddaughter.
00:21:57
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Yeah, I even recall he asked, it was like one of the daughters of one of the centenarians, he asked, wouldn't it just be better if they were in a home? And like she took that as an insult. And obviously it's a touchy subject, right?
00:22:14
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I think that it's very cultural based and when you live in a culture where the whole family unit and extended family lives within a couple of miles, it's different. We don't really have that the same way in the States. It doesn't seem like going backwards is possible with that. Yeah, that was my thought when reading this chapter.
Incorporating Blue Zone Habits
00:22:36
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It sounds nice the way the author puts Sardinia.
00:22:43
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There's no way we can have that culture and society where we live right now. I think the two glasses of red wine thing seems doable. I definitely had that thought multiple times while reading this whole three chapters that we've read. But even the red wine, they talk specifically about the flavonoids that grow only in the Sardinia region.
00:23:12
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that are healthy. And I'm sure there are healthy components in some of the wine, but I would guess most of the wine that we buy from grocery stores don't have those same flavonoids or ingredients that are actually healthy for your heart. You can get them at Costco, I look. Sardinian wine. Yeah, you can. You'd also include that
00:23:38
Speaker
that if we were to drink that wine, we don't have all these other things that they are also doing. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Exactly. We've only had wine sitting on the couch expecting we're going to live to a healthy life. What are you doing, honey? Oh, I'm just trying to be healthy.
00:24:01
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That's your sixth bottle today. I thought I would get all my glasses in on one night. Oh, honey, that one was goat milk over there. You talk, man, about how society won't change.
00:24:22
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I don't disagree with that, but individual family units can make different decisions and change the trajectory of their personal family culture. So my mother-in-law has effectively retired from her job.
00:24:40
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and has moved in with her mom and takes care of her almost full time. And there's no way to prove it, but I believe it very adamantly that my grandmother in law would be dead by now. There there is no way she would be alive. I mean,
00:25:03
Speaker
We keep thinking, oh, this will be the last Thanksgiving with her. And then she just keeps going. And I think it's because she has a family member dedicated to take care of her that takes care of her more personally and intimately than a senior living center or something like that.
00:25:23
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So, yeah, the whole neighborhood where she lives, probably not going to change, but individuals and their own families can make different decisions.
00:25:36
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maybe that will have some ripple effects. And yeah, who knows where some counties or some neighborhoods will be in 50, 60 years. But because a lot of this, like what the book is saying, it's a daughter or a granddaughter. Yes, you need community, but it's family who's taking care of you. And those are individual choices, not a community at a community level choices.
00:26:03
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Well, is there anything for you all, particularly in this chapter about the Sardinians that you would say inspired you or anything that you're like, oh, I like that. That's something I might try to incorporate a little bit into my routine. I think the walking was a big one for me, just moving, just being active, trying to be active every day. That's something that we can easily do that we should make time for. I'm definitely interested in trying goat's milk now.
00:26:31
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Oh, yeah. Straight from the goat. Straight from the goat. Do you think the first guy who tried goat's milk was like kind of looked at as a weirdo? I mean, I'm sure the same was true for the guy who drank cow milk.
00:26:47
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I always wonder about that. I was telling Ruth about this book earlier this week and she said the exact same comment of like, how did we get to drinking the milk of cows? We probably had one or two glasses of red wine first. Well, it's a very like drinking cow milk is very American too, isn't it?
00:27:14
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I think so. For sure, man. We all grew up in the freaking epicenter of the West and drinking milk, eating beef and corn. I mean, the American royal. You lived in China for a while. I mean, people don't really drink milk there, right? I mean, I'm trying to think. I mean, tea is a lot bigger in other countries that I've visited, like not tea bags that we think of.
00:27:43
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which I'm not, I'm not, I'm not joking. Rob, I'm not joking. Rob, if that bloody nose doesn't stop, try a teabag.
Cultural Insights on Rest
00:27:52
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That'll, I'm being serious. I'm being serious. To answer your question. I mean, I think fruits and veggies are going to come into play. So obviously trying to incorporate that with more single ingredient foods, definitely trying the goat milk going to get, try and get my hands on some of this wine too. But,
00:28:14
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I think just, you know, cherishing, seeing family is, is one thing that I'm taking away too. So yeah, laughing. That's a good one. Try not to be so serious, Rob. Yep. Celebrating elders, obviously right now for me, that's a big one that hit me hard. That's tough. That's a tough one. But yeah. Yeah. I think Adam and I had a conversation earlier this week about our grandparents and such and families and such and
00:28:42
Speaker
Um, well, I talked about my grandma and yeah, it just definitely makes you think about it more. Yeah. I feel like it's like, well, you can't take time out of your day to like take care of them. Cause you have to do your career and your stuff. Like that's how our culture is. I'm curious how much Mary Ann's been super hot on, uh, just making sure we really like observed the Sabbath and try and really rest and not work or keep any sort of like,
00:29:12
Speaker
chores and work minimal. How well would you say you guys are it honoring that commandment? Not well at all. It's one of those things that I feel like, again, our culture, that's actually one of the things that I'm starting to notice in these cultures is the speed of life and the speed at which people live. And by that, I mean the speed at which you're expected to produce something or perform
00:29:41
Speaker
or get left behind is so much different than what I'm used to and what we were all raised in. I mean, you mentioned the Sabbath and that almost feels like something that in the United States at least, you're definitely gonna feel, which is probably the way it's supposed to be, but you're definitely gonna feel like the odd man out if you actually don't do anything on Sundays, if you actually take that day to rest, because so many other people won't.
00:30:09
Speaker
So I think I got this from that John Mark Comer, dude. Your Sabbath doesn't technically have to just be, don't do anything on a Sunday, you know? It could be like, I've chosen it as like, yeah, no, I know you know that. I was just pointed out, but like I've tried to like 10 a.m. Saturday to 10 a.m. Sunday, no work, like just do like what I want to do. Even that is hard.
00:30:36
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Like not do chores, not, you know, laundry dishes, just like actually like take time for you. Yeah. I mean, I'll do like some of that, but then there's like that downtime where you're like, okay, now I could do this. You know, I could do, it's hard to take a complete day off for sure. I mean, if everybody did to your point, Rob, if everybody did in our culture,
00:31:04
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How many things would start to pop up during that time that's exactly the type of traditions and cultural get-togethers and relationships in that time that we actually put aside? I think it would be a lot. I think we would have more family time. We would have more laughter and more relationship building.
00:31:25
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Yeah. And things would feel, you know, less stressful and you'd have a break every week that everybody kind of honored. I mean, I think there's a lot of wisdom in that tradition for sure. Yeah. I mean, it definitely feels like the Sardinians have that sort of mentality, at least after a long day's hard work, you know, they sit down. How many hours did they say they worked?
00:31:51
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Shoot man, they'd be at those like temporary huts where they were technically shepherding for days on end too. Yeah. But I mean, he notes too, like shepherding is pretty laid back work. I mean, it has hard moments, but it's. Rob, has it been tough to just kind of be, I guess you would, you might feel idle on a Sunday, but has it been tough to honor that?
00:32:11
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Well, she's been more focused on it here recently, but typically I volunteer on Sunday nights with youth group and kind of feels like work. And I took a couple of weekends off of that. And that was really nice to not have to have that lingering feeling of, Oh, I have to be done with whatever by this time so that I can get there and volunteer and then come back. And then, you know, it kind of opens up your night to
00:32:38
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be present to your wife or to have whatever you want to do. So that's been an interesting dynamic of like, resting on the Sabbath means technically not building God's kingdom. But I mean, not like, you know, not serving. Yeah, doing that, not serving. So maybe not in a direct way. But no, I think it's something I want to really focus on more.
Episode Conclusion
00:33:06
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