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Space I Can Recover. Time, Never.
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In this episode Andrew and Patrick discuss prioritizing time, balancing family vs. work time, how to accomplish the things to you want to get done, the importance of taking action at the appropriate time, and how time is much more valuable than material possessions.
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Introduction and Inspiration
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and the brave new world begin begins when all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins as surely as water will wet us as surely as fire will burn the gods of the coffee book headings with terror and slaughter return
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Hello, everybody, and thank you for joining us for another episode of the Copybook Headings podcast.
Meet the Hosts
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If you're a new listener, just joining us for the first time, this show is inspired by the poem by Rudyard Kipling called The Gods of the Copybook Headings. And every week we take an old saying proverb or maxim and we break it down to see what we can learn from it and see if there's still any ancient wisdom that's relevant today from these old proverbs. I am your host, Patrick Payne, and with me, as always, is my co-host, Andrew Stevens. Andrew, how are you
Humorous Anecdotes
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doing, bud? Hey, I'm doing all right. How are you?
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Good, good, doing well. Ready to, excited to record. um We're doing like a, not not a traditional night that we're recording, so but it's ah it's a fun. Gonna be a good episode. um But yeah, how you how have you and the family been?
00:01:14
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Uh, we're just, uh, getting over, getting over some sicknesses. I, I am, you know, knock on wood here. I have been unscathed. Um, so I've been trying to help out with everyone. And, uh, I think the, uh, it's funny that the preschooler has had just, you know, an upset stomach for a few days. And, uh, and now that it's, um, she's, you know, this it's also been like a break in like fall break at preschool.
00:01:42
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And the break's over and she's feeling a little better. She's feeling good today. And then as soon as we started talking about, oh, well, we got we're going to go back to school tomorrow. she's well my My tummy hurts. All right. Man, she's picking it up early. She is. Nice.
Family and Relocation Discussions
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That's hilarious. It's funny when they're that age and you can like easily distract them with just to just to see what really is going on. and and and, uh, you know, offer them something that would, you know, a cookie or something. Oh, oh yeah. Okay. Oh, you're feeling too sick for school too bad. There's going to be a pizza party at school. Oh no. yeah Yeah. Just kidding. Gotcha. Yeah, exactly. So we'll get to that. We're doing a little remodeling too. And so we're houses and a little bit of disarray, but
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It'll be good. Yeah. they're You guys staying put for now? I know you thought about moving. Is that something I'm allowed to say on air? Yeah. I mean, we're ah we're always looking for some opportunities, particularly to get back to the Northwest, ah where I am from. um But yeah, for the time being, we're here and and that's part of the Part of the deal of not going with the last opportunity was we're going to try and spruce up our current situation and make it more of what we want. So yeah ah that's what this project is. I dig it. yeah i Yeah. I think I've told you before, I've been trying to take the kids up to the... to the Oregon coast. and Every time I float the idea, I get pushback from the kids. They're like, the town's dumb. I don't want to go. It's going to be cold. you know and Then I'm like, but when we take them to the beach, it doesn't matter if it's warm or hot or whatever. They're just like but seeing like animals like tide pools, shells, little stuff like that. and I know there's a ton of that up there. There's like cool rocks. There's seals and you know or whatever kind of wildlife all out there. so it's like I know they would love it if I could just convince them to go.
00:03:39
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Yeah, it's it's great. and There's there's great, like I said, great that tide pools, sand dunes. And then I think the really cool part is, you know, right off the beach, you've got forests and you can do forest hikes. You know, it's
Weather and Travel Considerations
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basically rainforests. And yeah, so yeah, it's just really, really beautiful country and pretty, pretty remote, pretty rural and just nice place to visit. Have you been up there in the wintertime? Yeah, we we did Christmas there a couple of years ago. It was a lot of fun.
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Yeah. Cause I've heard of us, there's like not that much difference between wintertime and summertime. It's like, yeah because the water temperature doesn't taste change much. Yeah. I think it's just, you know, a little bit stormier and you know, it's going to be raining, but it doesn't, you know, it's not going to be snowing on you.
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But yeah, what I, growing up in Washington, what I was told, I don't know if it's true, but that like the coat, like the water there on the coast fluctuates, but like by two degrees throughout the year, it's like always in the low fifties. So yeah the the only difference is, is it hot enough? Is it warm out in the sun to warm you up after you get out of that cold water?
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but in the winter, you don't, but in the summer you do. But I hear it's just kind of wetsuit water no matter year round. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because I was thinking, I was like, if they don't want to go in the summer, because they'd rather go somewhere warm, maybe I could convince them to go in the winter when it's snowy and freezing here in Idaho and you could go there. So maybe that would be the ticket. Yeah, there you go. I like it. I like hunkering down in the rain and watching the waves. It's just really nice, relaxing.
00:05:16
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yeah vacation for me. Yeah, you ah you you get happy when the clouds come out, the storm clouds and the sun goes away. I do, when my dad and I would just sit by the window watching the waves, like we could just do that for hours. and Yeah, do your leather
Philosophical Proverb Discussion
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working. I love it. Well, hey, we got a good got a good proverb this week. This is actually a quote. This is one you picked. Want to tell us about it? It's one I picked and I don't know, hopefully it still counts. It's ah it's it's a quote from from Napoleon.
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And, um, but it's, it's pithy and and I think it fits in with, and we've talked about the subject before, but the quote is space. I can recover time. Never. Um, you know, it's, it's a recurring theme we've talked about before. We will talk about it again. Just the, the idea that.
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You know, time is finite and it's always flowing in one direction and you just kind of need to make the most of it. And so Napoleon understood that in his strategies in in war and was pretty um revolutionary for it, ah at least for that for that time, moving quickly. and and and sacrificing gains to make up time and and yeah to to go you know to make his moves. and So yeah, i just I popped it. I was looking off of our list. I was looking through um something. I browse every now and then the Art of Manliness blog and and there was one
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article there with lots of quotations and they're all pretty pretty pithy and and this one really stuck out to me part of it i think is is um the books i'm reading i've been reading lately a lot of napoleonic war stuff so i like that that era is kind of fun and him as a as a character as ah as a background force And then, but also a little more, um I guess, down to earth, you've got some, I heard today at work that a a colleague had had passed away this weekend. And
Life Priorities and Time Management
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so have me you thinking a bit about, a bit about that, about my time, you know, on earth and and my time with to do what I need to do and to spend it, the people I spend it with, my family and so priorities and all that. So yeah.
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a little bit of that going on. Yeah, my, um my daughter was asked to speak in church this last week. And um it's always kind of fun when your kids are, you know, do something like that, because you get this, she prepared the her little lesson or her little talk by herself. And so I was curious as to what she came up with. She's 13.
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And she talked a little bit about this and she was like, well, you know, talking about like her scripture study and stuff. And she was saying, some people say they don't have time to do their scripture study, but what they mean is it's not a priority. I was like, yes, that's kind of a wise thing for a little kid to say, you know, because like we always say, like, it doesn't have to be a religious context, but you always say, I don't have time for that. I don't have time for this.
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but But what you're saying is I'm not prioritizing that over other things. Yeah. um Because the things you prioritize are the things you're going to get done, right? Right. Yeah, it's kind of it's something that's like a polite ah polite thing to say to someone else that like becomes internalized. ah Yeah. And you start to to believe that that's what it's about. And really, it was never about the time, it's about the priorities. Absolutely.
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It kind of is that. Yeah, I hadn't thought about it, but it's like you've been telling other people that who tried to rope you into things you don't want to do and you're like, oh, I'm sorry, I don't have time. And then you start telling yourself things that are maybe you'd want to get done or want to accomplish or whatever. You start telling yourself you don't have time for it when really it's it's that you just need to prioritize differently, I guess.
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Um, but, uh, I was curious, do you have a, um, a method of prioritizing things? Like, I know some people will do lists or, or, you know, check checklists or some ways they want to get things done. Do you have any way to prioritize your day?
00:09:41
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Not very well, but but lists are are the way I do it. when i that's That's how I try to do it. And I like yeah like handwritten lists over you know something on my phone. Because I think part of it is like, to me, my phone is is the enemy. And so so putting that kind of stuff on there is like, admitting defeat that I'm going to be distracted. You know, that's where my distractions are. So having my list close to my distractions is is tricky. So I'll do, I'll have little notebooks. I'll have um sticky notes or, you know, whatever. A lot of times when things start getting hectic, especially with work, make, you know, a priorities list. And, um, I might write out like a weekly calendar and just throw some of that stuff on there.
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But yeah, that's kind of what I do. And so right now, you know, I'm looking I've got a little, a little list pinned to my wall here. I've just kind of like some ongoing projects because I'm that type of person to have a lot of ongoing projects that I takes me forever to finish. um But I've got them there, so like to remind me if I'm, if I got a second, you know, if I got 15, 30 minutes, not to jump on, on Twitter or something like that, and, and go work, you know, chip away at one of those instead. And, and I think there's, and you know, I was able to to do that today and I felt that
00:11:02
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It's pretty satisfying doing a little bit towards something that I actually care about. And so yeah, just trying to, trying to keep going with that stuff. What about you? Yeah. Yeah. I try to, uh, I do lists on my phone usually just cause, uh, that's what I have with me all the time. I don't carry around paper usually.
00:11:24
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um But I have a whiteboard on my in my office and I actually really like the whiteboard the best Mm-hmm, but the the downside is it's not portable But if I'm working in my office for the day like having the whiteboard that I can like cross things off I just see where I'm at. Yeah, um that's kind of the way I prefer it I used to do like actual time blocking where I would be like I would take all the things I need to do and they'd be like from this hour to this or I'm doing this from this hour to this hour doing that take a break, you know and When I'm on it, it works great and I'm super productive, but I i would like get distracted and like get on my phone and start scrolling or something for half an hour. And then it would throw the whole day off. And then I would be like, ah, then it would look, I'd be like, I just give up on the whole day. And so if I'm like perfect with it, it works really good. If I'm slightly imperfect, didn't work at all for me.
Balancing Work and Family
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I don't know if you ever tried that. I'm the same way. And I think that's probably why I've given up on it too, is just breaking things down in like half hour increments. And then, yeah, I just.
00:12:21
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Yep, it just gets blown up or even if it's something like not even you're distracted, it's just some new project at work or an email that took forever to respond to and all of a sudden ah yeah the day shot.
00:12:33
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um kids kids are an issue there too, especially if you're trying to plan out like, um, time for a side project or, or, or hobby, things like that, you know, um, you just kind of need to be more flexibility than that kind of system allows for. it So I think so. Yeah. And it's, it's, it's hard for me with kids sometimes because it's like, sometimes the kids are distracting you from doing the things you want to do. And then I'm like, gosh, these kids are distracting me. And then I have to ask myself, wait,
00:13:03
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Is this a reminder of what's important that I should just actually stop doing this stupid task that I'm doing and spend time with my kids? Or does this really need to get done and I just just tell them I can play with them later? Because because you know people you know there's always like the... the Instagram post, it's like, you know, you won't remember the time you spent at the office. But at then at the same time, if you don't do your work, like you're gonna get fired and you'll lose your house. So like, and some kids will just play with you all day. They don't care like that. If you're they'll never let you get your work done. If you know you have to work at some point. So you do have to strike a balance. Yeah, and they will play with you when you're living, you know, in a hovel. Yes. Because they just like to play and they'll do it anywhere. They're good at that.
00:13:47
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And then wonder why you don't have any groceries. Yeah, yeah. so um Yeah, yeah, it it is. I think about that a lot too. um You know, i think I think society like, society seems more like family oriented and kid oriented than than really ever before. um But still, I think people still feel inadequate and they're not spending enough time not doing enough.
00:14:16
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um Because ah yeah I always think about people like, you know, I think like Teddy Roosevelt always comes up to my mind first of someone who did a lot of great things, um you know wrote books, explored, you know, was president and other political offices.
00:14:32
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Um, and had a family the whole time and he would just, you know, not be there for months at a time. Like, yeah he was doing his thing. He was, and you know, I think, old you know, one way to look at that, that was for like the family, that was for the family's legacy.
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Um, that was for his children to be proud of and, and have an example,
Parenting and Influences
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but it was a distant example and it left his wife to, to do a lot of the work. And so, you know, you think about that, like, okay, well, you know, if I had, if I could work on my little project, you know, and work on this or start this business or something and, and focus completely for a couple months and things would happen. But.
00:15:16
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It's a trade-off, and I think right now that's not a really acceptable trade-off to most people. Yeah. I mean, I don't know much about Teddy Roosevelt's wife, but I mean, there had to have been some great women throughout history that like were just like, okay, go do what you need to do, and yeah I'll take care of whatever. and Maybe she wasn't happy about that. I know my wife probably wouldn't have been. but but um But yeah, yeah man that's ah it's just it's a tough thing. You hear about great men doing these great things. And then you read about sad stories about like you know ah Steve Jobs' family and his estranged kids. And like I didn't really know him. And it's like, gosh, man. And I think some of those guys are really kind of driven almost by compulsion. you know They just have to they have to work, and they have to achieve, and they have to create, and they have to do these things. i mean
00:16:09
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um But for I think for most people, I think you would know if you're that kind of person, first of all. So if you if you're not already him, like you're probably not. So for the rest of us, I think probably the best the best way to be is to try to strike some sort of healthy balance between the things you need to do, the things you want to do, and the things you should do. or or you I don't know if that that makes any sense. But the stuff for yourself, the stuff for your work, and the stuff for you know spending your time with your family. Because you need time on your own, too, just to do fun stuff. but Yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, for me, I don't I don't I wouldn't say that I have a ah lack of time for for my things is more of a lack of focus on on one or two things in particular, right? um Yeah. So
00:16:54
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Yeah, that's, that's a, for me, that's, that's the thing. And so it's, um, yeah, it's it's about when I'm with my kids and stuff, just letting, letting go and having fun with them. And I really have been enjoying that last few, few months trying to focus on that. Um, just having fun, even small stuff, just going outside to the backyard and.
00:17:18
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playing with them, watching them play, and and just trying to not worry about the other stuff. um One thing I'm really glad I don't do is is work from my phone. i you know lot I know a lot of people get in that trap.
00:17:34
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and like i don't i don't have my I think I do have my work email on my phone, but I don't have any notifications. I don't i don't check it like after hours or anything like that. I know a lot of people are just kind of Slaves to that by either by necessity or just by habit, but just the You know, I don't I I log out of work I'm done for the day and I yeah good for you. See you tomorrow, you know, so I'll sometimes see work emails during personal time, but I'm such a procrastinator anyway. I'm just like, well, I'm just going to wait till tomorrow morning. I'm not doing anything with it now. I don't care. They're like, ah, this is a big problem. I'm like, oh, sorry. I'm going to wait till 9 AM. But yeah,
00:18:22
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part of my problem is some of my hobbies, most of my hobbies are like outside away from the house type of hobbies. I like to hike or mountain bike or haunt or whatever. and And I know some people are like, Oh yeah, we like to do board games and we're really into it. And I'm like, Oh, that's cool. Like nothing wrong with that. But like, it's not like my thing. And like, if it was something I could do more with kids, I suppose that that might change as the kids get older, you know, and they can keep up with you when you're hiking or something like that, then you can go do stuff more with them. But right now it seems like I'm either doing stuff with the kids that they want to do, or I'm doing my own thing by myself. So it's a little bit of a struggle.
00:18:55
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Yeah. um I'm in a similar boat with but some of the stuff I like to do too, where they're almost almost there where they can tag along, but not quite. where it's still Everything still is about them because they're at that age and that's an appropriate level, like developmental stage. yeah um But it's yeah not quite there yet for mine.
00:19:17
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Well, let's let's talk about, let's shift gears here for a moment and talk about kind of the flip side of this this saying um yeah that you had kind of alluded to at the beginning, which is like the time in life, not time in your day so much as like how much time you have left until you take the dirt nap, you know? um what What are your thoughts on that? I know you mentioned it at the beginning.
00:19:39
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Well, I think you know the day-to-day feeds into that. I think the way you get around that or or or make something of it is to have some kind of larger goal or purpose in life that your day-to-day is working towards, that youre you you're chipping away towards. It's easy to get into a routine in a groove where you're not you're just surviving basically. I mean, you might be living in pretty cushy, but like mentally and philosophically or whatever, you know, you're just kind of surviving. Yeah. um And to sort of find a purpose, and I think a lot for a lot of people, family is a big part of that and raising kids is a part of that. um But um but, you know, for me, honestly, like right now, like right now, it is still kind of a day to day thing with my kids. Like I'm I do, I'm trying to instill values and teach, but I don't have like a
00:20:34
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When they are 18, I want them to be this kind of person. you know i And maybe I need to work on that kind of bigger holistic vision for for what I'm trying to instill in my kids ah so that I can't have like a ah mission accomplished type of thing. you know like This is the person they are when they get married. This is the kind of parent they are because of me, you know things like that. No, man, I think you're right the way you the way you're at. i mean i I feel like that can be that could be kind of a dangerous trap sometimes to be like, I want my kids to be like all like this. like me yeah they're they're They're independent people. you know like yeah there's no There's no guarantee that they're going to turn out the way you want them to. You just have to teach them the values, which are which are a day-to-day thing. you know you know Instilling those values, keeping consistent with your things, maybe having consequences if they break rules, having rewards when they do good things, and and just teaching by example, showing them good things, and then and then hoping that
00:21:28
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you know, when by the time they are an adult, they're, they're prepared with all the things, you know, because they develop at different rates, some kids develop slower than others, some kid might be 15 and just ready to take on the world and another kid might be slower to launch. Yeah. So
Personal Fulfillment and Retirement Plans
00:21:43
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I don't know. Yeah, for me, I don't really I don't really think about like the end or like time. Like it's not really so something that I spend a lot of time. I know some people are like, you know, I have so much time on this earth and they want to like, uh, get stuff, you know, ah accomplish things and, and, and have all this people will have like these bucket lists or something, or they start, I've noticed some people as they get older, start getting a little more sentimental and they're like, I really want to spend time with my family or spend time with this. And, um,
00:22:17
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So yeah, I don't know, but I think you made a good point about that about the purpose, having some sort of some sort of purpose in your life and and working towards some sort of goal. um But yeah, for me, that that would definitely be family first, probably, and we're at least high up there. Faith is big. ah But if yeah, like we mentioned before, a lot of people, for that for a lot of people, that's work.
00:22:39
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Yeah, and that's and that's where it comes to mind when people are done working and they don't have something else after that, you know, that statistic of how many people like die when they retire, right? Yeah.
00:22:53
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um and And a big part of that is because they don't have anything that they're they living for, you know that they're working for. um I really admire the people who, you know the artistic type of guys who are, they just keep creating until they die, right? you know Their whole life, they don't yeah there's no such thing as retirement for for these people.
00:23:17
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Because they just are always they have another story to tell right and so they just keep Get they keep doing it. I think That's a natural type of person like the the artist type is is one who who can have that like lifelong Journey, but if you don't like if that's not the type of person you are you you do need to find something to do um I think for my my dad. It's interesting. He's a gotten pretty into like just working out. He has like a personal trainer that he sees once once a week, and so his like his exercise routine is a big is a big thing that he's doing and keep staying in shape. Heck yeah, I love it. How does it that ah how old How old are you, Dad? Let's see here. Put me on the spot. Mid 70s? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so he's he's been
00:24:08
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ah That's been a big ah big part of his life. And then he likes to take on house projects. He's actually heading down here in a couple of days. He's going to help us with our living room remodel. We're putting a big built-in bookcase thing. He's going to help me build. so Nice.
00:24:25
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um Yeah, so you but you got yeah got to find something other than just watching TV for the rest of your life. For sure. it'll be It'll be a short rest of your life.
00:24:35
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it It really will. Yeah, you got to find something to do. And and also, i you know, so you hear some people that just kind of, when they stop working or stop having something to do, or sometimes when the kids get out of the house, they feel like they have nothing to do. And sometimes they can have kind of this existential like,
00:24:52
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Um, you know, like a, like a, like a depression or like a, like a on we almost, it's just kind of comes up this listlessness that hits them with, um, but I, you know, I, I haven't been in that situation, but it seems to me like when, when things like that happen,
00:25:10
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you got to find some sort of meaning and sometimes that could just be like could just be service. I think that's ah that's a good one to fall back on is just trying to help others. There's no end to people that that need something or some way that you could you can chip in or help. So um that's all some people can do. Yeah.
00:25:28
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um Oh, I was gonna say, i we had a neighbor in our last house, and he was this retired architect, you mentioned ah creatives, and that's why I was yeah trying to think of what it was. And he he had this office, and he took me in it one time, and he showed me all of these old drawings of these really cool buildings that he had designed, like some amphitheaters and stuff, like really cool stuff. And he had a little bit of property, maybe like, maybe like a half acre to an acre, not a ton, but like a large enough property where you had a few animals and stuff. And he had, you know, and he couldn't stop building, like designing. So he had like five or six different like playhouses, like a tree house, and then like a little princess castle with a turret, and like all this different stuff in his backyard. And when kids went over there, I mean, it was like,
00:26:16
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It was like Disneyland you know because it had all these cool little places to climb and then like goats and stuff running around. They could chase them and stuff. I'm like, man, that guy's doing it right. That guy's killing retirement um yeah because he just never stopped doing what he liked to do.
Seizing Opportunities and Consistency
00:26:31
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Yeah, that that's a great example. um I guess one one more one other aspect of this one that I want to talk to about that that I thought of ah was you know with Napoleon here, space like I can recover, time never. It's something also about you know it's seizing the moment. i like That's what Napoleon was good at um and just launching into a launching into something. and you know Sometimes it was not going to be a success and you cut your losses and you you get out, you don't linger there. So when it comes to like
00:27:05
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um just the mindset ah of of starting a new endeavor, if it's going to be like a ah business or or something like that, you know, launching it, like jumping in, giving it a shot.
00:27:17
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and being able to maybe jump back out if you if you need to, if you need to change gears, if it's not working out. I know that that's that' somewhat your forte, since you you kind of hop from opportunity to opportunity. In my in my mind, like it's it's very fearless. and And to me, if it were me, it'd be reckless. But for you, it's not. yourre you're youre Oh, no, sometimes it probably was. Yeah, maybe sometimes. but But I admire that about you.
00:27:43
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ah do you like in in other aspects of life or other opportunities, like do you have that kind of mentality? ah Yeah, man, i i I'm a...
00:27:54
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a serial project starter, not always a project finisher. ah But yeah, i've i've mean I've taken jobs at the drop of a hat. I've come home from, told my wife, I don't want to do this anymore. I'm quitting. And my poor wife, my poor wife is just like, really? We're doing this? Okay, honey, I'll support you. do And I've moved us across the country and I've done this out of the other and I've started various projects. and and um So yeah, I'm very much ah very much a man of action, but but you know I think yeah with like with anything, there's... there's
00:28:29
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There's the balance. And so there are people like me that are just naturally more inclined to want to start. We have to be cognizant of the continuation and the finishing. We we had this conversation when we started the podcast. I was like, man, what I really don't want to do is get six episodes in and quit. you know yeah i was like that's my that's i That doom was hanging over me because I'd had so many experiences like that. So I remember when we were talking about becoming partners, I'm like, whatever partner we got, ah we got to be consistent with it. And you're like, yeah, I'm i'm in. And here we are. I mean, we've we've done pretty good.
00:28:57
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Yeah. so so um but yeah that's And then there's other people that are good at going with stuff once they're in it, but then they can get stuck in a rut and they they have a hard time jumping out. So you kind of have to evaluate what kind of person you are and then see what what remedy you might need because nobody's perfect. Everyone's got something. Yeah, absolutely.
00:29:20
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But so I'm very glad we've, uh, we've stuck with it. This has been, this has been good. And i hopefully dear listener, we've gotten better over the, over the years. We have some good guests lined up too. So stick around. Don't quit now.
00:29:33
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Yeah. try it Yeah. Like as far as, uh, as far as hobbies go, this is like, this is up there in in longevity for me. Uh, and I think, yeah, having, having someone to to count on and who counts on you as a big part of it.
00:29:47
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Huge. Yeah, I don't i wouldn't have wouldn't have been able to keep going this this long. I mean, even if I'd had guests to talk to, if it were just me doing everything, I don't i wouldn't have continued to go. So
Valuing Time and Conclusion
00:29:57
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sometimes recognizing that in yourself that, hey, I just need some accountability partner to do this um is is super helpful. um But yeah, a little bit of just self-awareness and understanding that what you need is is big. But but yeah, if if you're the kind of person that, like I have a buddy who's just kind of notorious for stuck being stuck in one place. He's had the same job forever. And every time I talk to him, I mean like years apart, it'll be like two years apart, three years apart, same thing. Well, they're just not paying me enough. And I know that my salary is lower than competitive in the market. I'm like, oh, we just quit and go somewhere else. Like, you have you applied somewhere else? Well, I told him I'm gonna, if they don't pay me, I'm like, oh my gosh, dude.
00:30:39
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If it were me, I'd have been out there out long ago, you know, but like, but maybe I'm too much that way. So anyway, yeah. Anyway, this is a good one. I didn't realize we're up on time. But yeah, this is a good one. Any any last words on this one before we close off? Oh, no, just the just heed the heed the words here of of Napoleon and and and take action while you can and and and be willing to to jump in. Yup. One last point I'll make before we sign off is the the other side of this, ah the ah the space I can recover. Remember, he's talking space, but any any temporal thing, that comes and goes. Don't worry so much about the money or the or the house or this or that and and focus time is more valuable. I think that's that's an important point. Absolutely.
00:31:31
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Well, anyway, everyone, thanks so much for listening. We will see you guys all next week. Thanks, Andrew. All right, we'll see you. See you. There are only four things certain, since social progress began, that the dog returns to his vomit, and the sow returns to her mind, and the bird pulls Bandit's finger, goes wobbling back to the pie. And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins, When all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sin, As surely as water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, The gods of the copy will hide us, with terror or slaughter.