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Deeds not words
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In this episode Patrick and Andrew are joined once again by author and former special forces soldier Clay Martin to discuss practical action one can take in the face of emergencies or disasters.
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and the brave new world begins when all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins as surely as water will wet us as surely as fire will burn the gods of the coffee book headings with terror and slaughter returned
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Hello, everybody, and thank you for joining us for another episode of the Copybook Headings podcast. If you're a new listener, just joining us for the first time, this show is inspired by the poem by Rudyard Kipling called The Dods of the Copybook Headings. And every week we take an old saying proverb or maxim, and we break it down to see what we can learn from it and see if there's still any ancient wisdom that's relevant today from these old sayings. I am your host Patrick Payne, and with me as always is my co-host, Andrew Stevens. Andrew, how are you doing, man? How are you doing great tonight? Oh, yeah, same.
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We, because we are joined by our good friend Clay Martin, is back again for a second time on the podcast. Clay, welcome. Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me. Oh yeah. So I have to tell you, Clay, like your episode was by far, far and away the best episode we've ever had. So I figure we got to give the people what they want and the people want more Clay Martin. so better don know what Thank you for coming back.
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It's fantastic to hear. Well, i thanks again for having us. I really enjoyed the last time. So looking forward to diving in again. Yeah. And last time we talked a little bit about some of the craziness that was going on in the world and some of the experiences that you'd had. And it seems like if possible, things are only nuttier now. I was thinking at least things have calmed down where it totally peaceful. It's in Garden of garden of their Environment right now. Everything's kosher. Yeah.
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No foreseeable problems on the horizon. Yes. No, none. Good stuff. Yeah. Everything's going to be hunky dory. Well, yeah. So we Clay, you had picked a ah saying for us this week. You want to want to tell us what it is and kind of what it means to you? Sure. And this is ah this is a goal for this week. So the this the the problem for this week is deeds, not words. In English and at Latin, it's ah acted non-verba.
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ah and it's Nobody knows exactly where this came from, but it also almost fits with at least one translation of the have them all verse 142, where Old Norse English is a little bit more complex. So we know this is exactly right, but that one is words we get more words, deeds we get more deeds. They all kind of mean the same thing. Yeah, that's a good one. ah Where did you come across this one originally?
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Oh man, that's a good question. i I actually don't remember. I don't know where I saw this for the first time. ah But even if I didn't hear those exact words, that sounds like something my dad would say growing up, only more than a ah redneck variant of what he thinks. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, this is a really cool one. um Andrew, had you heard this one before?
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Uh, yeah, it's, it's funny. I think the first place I heard this one was, uh, was in Ukraine in Mariupol many years ago. It was, uh, a political candidates slogan. Wow. 2002 parliamentary elections. And I think if I remember right, it was the the guy, uh, his name's Victor Yushchenko. He's the one who got the dioxin poisoning attack when he was like prime minister or something. Yeah. Yeah. So.
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If I remember right, I remember seeing those posters along the plastered on the walls and stuff. And it was something like Nislovom Adilom, which was not by word, but by deed, you know, and and by doing so. Yeah, it's it's pretty cool. So it brought me brought some memories back to me, Clay, when I first saw this one. That's wild. Not familiar. I know that you've brought that up and trying to remember if I've seen it maybe as a political slogan for for somebody here. But I yeah i don't.
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that's I have to like Google, hit the Google machine later. Now I got to know. Yeah. did That guy seemed, he might've had a little too many deeds. That's why he drew the ire of the KGB or whoever tried to poison him. Seriously. Well, like that that fits the ah the profile though. You only take flak over the target. yeah Yeah, that's true. I mean, since we brought that up, Clay, what what do you make of this um this stuff going on in Ukraine?
00:04:25
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Man, I've mostly stayed out of this one. I just because i mean, it's just it's something that I just don't feel like we Americans like understand that well. And I don't know a lot about Russian character. I certainly don't know a lot about Ukrainian character. So, ah you know man, for all I know, it's like historical beef that's like really not my problem. Yeah, yeah. yeah i mean yeah ah have we have we Have I asked your opinion on an Andrew? Because, I mean, you live there.
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uh no but you know it kind of similar like it's uh you know i lived yeah i lived there for two years as as a missionary ah in eastern ukraine speaking russian and uh so it's an interesting thing that you know this was the early 2000s and so You know, within 10 years after I left, there was just a lot of political turmoil and a lot of cultural changes, like really pushing the Ukrainian language in the Eastern part of the country. But when I was there, it was like very naturally a Russian, you know, ah ethnic group. So like when the World Cup was going on, like everyone was rooting for Russia and stuff like that. So it it's it's strange it was to see years later what has changed while I was not looking, you know, and so, um,
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So I can, I think I kind of maybe sympathize with, with both sides of the Eastern Ukrainians, the separatists and the Western Ukrainians, maybe more than the average American does. But for that reason, I just try to stay out of it other than just being sad that there's so much destruction and and that they can't, can't come to a resolution that is at least going to save some lives. So, but yeah, I just.
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It's an old old beef. Right. And so that's something I think but I actually think both your answers are are wise. I my my degree was in political science and the focus was international relations and people would ask me questions about I mean, I got my degree years and years ago and they would ask me the questions about Palestine and Israel and stuff like that back then. And I'm like, freak I don't know. Like, you know, like I studied this for years. I'm like, I still don't freaking know. And then the people who get on and start talking like they know all this stuff. Like, do you have a clue how much there is to to learn how far back this goes? Like, it's crazy.
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Right. No, absolutely. In fact, one of the craziest things that's come out of this Ukraine-Russia conflict, which I very much agree with you, Andrew, too. Like, I wish I could just end this because it is pointless for the most part. But watching Putin's interview with Tucker Carlson, where he gave that, like, 45-minute dissertation on history, like... Yeah. I mean, it was eye-opening, because I didn't know any of that. There were most... I didn't know a vast majority of that. And he's just rolling, like, hey, here's the... This is the short version. You're like,
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Oh, maybe this is a complex issue. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, my four seconds of reading on Wikipedia will go shut up now somewhere. Stay motivated. Yeah, exactly. And your man on the street, your man on the street in in Ukraine is going to know most of that stuff, too. That's the thing. Like, right. They all they all know that all the history, that long, long history really well there. And so, yeah, it's just some definitely something that we don't ah we do not grasp.
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Well, um ah in that vein, let let's pivot to to what's going on here. I mean, ah that that that's more relevant to us and and yeah ah obviously close to home and a crazy election coming up. ah Wouldn't be surprised if there was, can if the election was contested one side or the other. I mean, just like, what what do you think, Clay? Oh, absolutely.
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I mean, I don't think there's any way we're getting out of this one clean. Like no matter what happens, like both sides are going to be like, no, that's not how it went down. yeah It's going to be. It's not good either. it's not It's not good when that's the inevitable outcome. i the The worst thing that's happening right now is so many people don't trust the election system on you know both sides of of the aisle and with good reason because it's it's been absolute shenanigans. And now for a better part of two years, both sides accusing the other of
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trying to steal or cheat. That's exactly how democracy stopped working. so So that'll be super exciting. But I think we could definitely be in for some ah some fun times from November through January 21st.
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Yeah, we had a ah meeting at our church just on Sunday, and the whole meeting was about preparedness. They wanted to take they were like trying to get people to sign up for lists on who had a ham radio and who had a generator and who had a drone and who had a this and that. and like ah you know I think everyone's starting to see that that things could get a little weird.
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Yeah, no, i for sure. Well, and ah you know, all those things and then also in keeping with the the theme of the the proverb for this week, deeds not words. That's exactly what's going on in North Carolina right now. it's a It's both sad to see the government failing to respond or do anything, but it has been amazing to see, you know, normal Americans just show up with, you know, getting into places that the government couldn't get anywhere. We go pack mules and crazy stuff. Yeah. All of these like private helicopter like helicopters are not cheap to run. They're not cheap to just fly around it. And these dudes have been flying around the clock, helping people out, bringing a Starlink system, thinking comms back up. I mean, it has been a sight to be old.
00:09:55
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and and until the government started telling them not to. I mean, have you heard those reports that they're telling them to stop flying? Yes. Yes, I have. And it's nuts. Me and my wife were actually just talking about this before here on the ah the podcast. And, you know, this is this is that that trap where we don't know what's true and what's not. But there's been enough that's come out. there That's definitely true. the ad like They're telling people to arrest if they fly in or But then the you know stories about confiscating supplies or intentionally blocking out ah relief card boys. Yeah, it's horrifying. I've never seen anything like it. And I think we're just, um we could see some serious fallout from this.
00:10:37
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Yeah, i someone was posting online some pictures of Katrina and all the help that the government was trying to bring and then contrasting it with Helene and like it seems relatively, but like you said, it's hard to know what's true because a picture is just one snap of of one moment and it's it's hard to really tell what's going on. Lack of information is really kind of a struggle sometimes. And unfortunately, like the ad the the the misinformation stuff is real. ah Yeah. Like that happens all all over the place. So are there people who just like Not, I don't mean people from North Carolina, they're like, you know, Russian troll farms or whoever, Iranian troll farms, making up, trying to feed it into the news cycle. Because they do do that stuff. I mean, that's like national policy for all of those countries. Could they be trying to exacerbate a situation maybe worse? Yes. Now, do I believe, do I believe personally, most of what's coming out that I see? Yeah, i man, I have such mistrust in our government that I do. I default to they're probably the bad guy.
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Yeah. um In terms of sticking with the proverb, words words not deeds, um what what actions, I mean, deeds not words, sorry, I did say it wrong. um What actions should people be taken right now, you think? Well, this is also a terrible time because you know the economy sucks right now. A lot of people are hurt and inflation has hurt all of us.
00:12:03
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i If at all possible and you can find a good and I'll be honest me I've held my powder on this one I just I gotta to wait until about the end of the week to find a ah good charity that I know is gonna get stuff where it needs to go and and Throw some money at the ah the you know, the poor hurricane people are poor hurricane survivors over there in ah Tennessee, Georgia, North Carolina, Florida For everybody else, I hate to be, I hate to be chicken, but I hate to be like, you know, Sky's falling guy. But it does feel like something is off this election cycle. So between this, all this crazy stuff.
00:12:42
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this is the time I feel for the next five weeks. and Hopefully like the day after the election, everything's fine. Just be like, Oh, Clay's crazy. That was a waste of time. It's better to have a little bit of a waste of time right now than not. So I'm telling everybody, don't go like crazy. Don't, you know, sell grandma's silver to buy your ramen noodles. But this is a good time to, you know, plus up the supplies a little bit.
00:13:05
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spend a little bit more time working on the old fitness and the stuff that isn't really fun and and sexy to do you know just in case. ah you know Take a hard look at those plans like, what do I not have? i i mean Honestly, after this week, I'm buying a Starlink Mini to throw in my go bag. Starlink has kind of been the hero of North Carolina. and ah we we It's funny, we were looking at it before.
00:13:29
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We have an off-grid property that over in another state and it has no cell service. So we had looked at these and they're not they're not very big at all. They're about the size of like like this notebook. ah And you don't even have to run them all the time. They're like a hundred bucks. So we're getting one of those so that in the go bag. One of the other things, I think there was a good lesson from ah from this particular disaster. You can't just stockpile stuff obviously because it doesn't matter if your house is floating away.
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yeah So we we like to have stuff I like to have stuff, like that's part of the plan. We also need to take another hard look at that you know disaster bag. like ah you know If I can only get out of here with one thing, it's a backpack about this big. Will that keep me alive with my kids in you know whatever conditions for so seven to 10 days? ah And that's not easy. That's not an easy task because it needs to also be light enough that you can carry it.
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ah Yeah, so there's there's a lot of work to be done right now.
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um In terms of like if you did have to bug out, and you're 100% right, because if you know when your house is flooded, you've got to leave. You've got to go. waters Water's dangerous. I mean, know i mean it's crazy. yeah But my first read my first instinct is always, I don't want to go anywhere. I want to bug in if I can. Oh, me too. No, no, me too. Absolutely, yeah. But like you said, like may you might not be able to. um Really the really last two disasters look at this one and then also look at the East Palestine chemical spill like you couldn't stay there Oh, yeah, there's yeah, I forgot about that one. A lot of people do that. We kind of got brushed under the rug, but That one reinforces the point too. You don't always have the choice. Yeah Andrew do you guys have ah like bug out bags or something? We kind of did for a while and then we kind of got got lazy with it with Yeah, it's it's it's been a ch like, you know, I think
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before we had kids is pretty easy. But you know, with growing kids, it's it's a daunting to keep up, keep up on the yeah big clothes don't fit him anymore, you know, and in the back for six months. so But yeah, I mean, I did I found myself this last week kind of, ah you know, back online ordering a few odds and ends for the for the car kit, you know, the ah the videos you're seeing of the people just kind of commandeering, like excavators and stuff. I'm like, you know, I've i'd seen those like kits of the keys before i'm like, you know what, maybe I need to grab, grab those just so I've got the universal keys, or just like the water ones from like, you can use that on the side of buildings and stuff. um So I'm just trying to beef up some of the stuff. But yeah, that's, it's definitely got me got a fire under me now. And clay, I was wondering, in in terms of like, what you've written about about preparedness and an organization,
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you know and like people organizing people, what have you seen kind of develop out of like North Carolina in the videos you've seen or the write-ups you've seen ah like about people applying those principles?
00:16:30
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There's actually been like ah like a not insignificant number of groups that have come from other parts of the country that are only groups in other parts of the country because they started of planning for ah for something like this in their own place you know two or three years ago. And that's that's always been the hardest thing to get people to do is like actually to organize.
00:16:52
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and getting these little groups. And ah it's for a couple of reasons. ah you know One, it's it's time consuming. We all got kids, we all got lives, jobs, all this other stuff. ah Number two, a lot of these things try to base themselves around like some kind of tactical, ninja-y, militia-type stuff. and that's I've seen zero militias respond to North Carolina, um but I've seen a gaggle of either you know like shooting clubs or search and rescue clubs, you know stuff like that. So I think this gives us yeah one more chance to really look at
00:17:29
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how do I get you know a group, like a small group of people that are likeminded like-minded, like, because I mean, that is that is honestly still the most difficult question. And ah given these last two disasters, I i mean, going to like get on Facebook and start the whatever county Kansas, you know, search and rescue club, there's a golden opportunity. ah The other nice thing about things like this is a lot of times if like even one or two dudes joins like a ah real like state-run search and rescue organization or local fire department. It gets a lot of things paid for as far as like training, equipment, that kind of stuff. yeah And that's kind of putting you right in that spot, too, of like you're around exactly what people want to be around, people that are thinking about these contingencies.
00:18:18
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Yeah, I'm glad you said that. I actually got my shirt on right now because I just literally just came from the volunteer fire department here in town. And I was like, man, that's like the perfect group because all those guys know how to do stuff. i know like And they think about those kind of things. Right. No, no those are exactly the dudes. Yeah, no, that's great. That's fantastic.
00:18:37
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So yeah, I would encourage people to do things like that, whether it be, ah I mean, it seems like there's always volunteer opportunities for for stuff like that, if you can if you can search out and find one. um Especially, I know sometimes rural people don't have as much access to stuff, but it seems like in the rural areas, that's where they need volunteers the most. Like my my town doesn't even have a full-time fire department, it's all volunteer.
00:18:56
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right so Yeah, I've lived in a couple places like that. Yeah, and it's, yeah, it's, ah it's the guys. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. For sure. um In terms of like, I know you talked about the the the tactical kind of malicious stuff, obviously, security is always a ah concern. And it is we have to talk to you about that. What what um what would you recommend? um I mean, you know, you go in your books in detail about that, about talking about stuff. If you were to bug out, would would you would you Obviously, I um imagine you're not going without ah some kind of firearm, but oh right would you would you go long gun or would you just have concealed carry? what what What would your thoughts be on that? It would depend on exactly the situation. um It's going to be a pistol no matter what. like That's coming with me. like I take that to the bathroom. That's you know that's real life. um yeah Ideally, what I would like to see for for if i if I have to walk out and keep in mind my kids are six and eight, so they're not big. I got to carry all their stuff, all my stuff, at least part of mom's stuff.
00:19:53
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It's going to be ah probably an AR pistol. Well, I don't think probably. It's going to be an AR pistol. It's going to be the lightest, cheapest one that I own. So that if all the other stuff gets too heavy, I can like pitch it in the river and not cry about it because that's what man, this real life, that's that's the thing. If I have to carry two toddlers through, I don't know, the snow or something.
00:20:17
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something has to be given, it's going to be that. ah yeah The other thing is you know that if I end up in a situation which none of us want to be in, but I don't know, martial law or the feds are at the checkpoint or so crazy and they're not letting anybody through with guns. Well, there's a chemical spill over there and like 15 armed agent guys with bulletproof vests and badges. This is not the time to get in a pissing match about the 2A. So once again,
00:20:44
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something that I'm not that that that fond of or not that attached to. Yeah, yeah, makes sense. And then in terms of like, ah obviously food, water, um ah water filtration, clothes. Yes. ah Water filtration is a huge one. ah we This is again, it's a lesson from ah from the North Carolina one. Flood water is one of the worst things to try to filter because you've got like chemicals and stuff in there. Asbestos and stuff in it? oh you yeah I mean, you got stuff you don't even know about. I mean, sewer lagoons overturning or being flooded out, you know, all these semi trucks are washed off the roof. They're full of something probably not good. and As well as if you look close up to a refinery, something like that, you've just had, you know, a mess of all this stuff mixed together. So you have to carry, you pretty much have to carry water procurement because you can't carry enough water as is at eight pounds per gallon to be able to make it any kind of distance.
00:21:38
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So yeah, have one or two gallons in the in the bag, at least one, two, anything beyond this, a little, we're getting to like a ah ridiculous wicks. I'd like to keep it under 20, 25 pounds. ah So I like some like a life straw. There's these little like, you know, $10, I think Sawyer makes them, there's one set on the shelf over here somewhere. Or like the Sawyer Mini or like the MSR pump. Because again, my bug out bag is not so I can survive in the woods like Robinson Crusoe for the next six months or, you know, rebuild civilization, anything like that.
00:22:08
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you know, hopefully, hopefully it's not going past 10 days. 10 days is a long, long time to not have, you know, outside assistance or to be able to get to outside assistance. Yeah. Yeah. So then food wise, yeah. You know, throw some, some, some like high density food in your peanut butter or energy bar, stuff like that. um Clothing, you,
00:22:35
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everywhere you have to carry at least like one warming layer is that people forget like how cold it can get just in like a storm if it rains for like three days and you're soaked like that's not nearly the same thing as like you're walking from your car to the house and then taking the wet stuff off I mean you can get you can go hypothermic in 60 degree weather so you need some kind of at least like a windbreaker or something light like that that'll at least keep you alive yeah Yeah. um And you talk I know you talk about that stuff in your in your books, ah Concrete Jungle and and Prairie Fire as well, right? Yes. You might remember that, correct? Yep. yeah Yeah. So definitely, for those of you listening who haven't gotten those books, i if you consider yourself preparedness minded at all, I consider your books kind of essential reading. And and they're they're short reads.
00:23:23
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Yeah, and that's really what I was looking for. I was looking for the things that other people didn't cover, yeah especially about organization, you know, that kind of stuff. As far as like regular survival books, like how to we boil water and stuff like that, I like the SAS Survival Guide is really good. I forget who wrote that, but it's that one's really good. And then the other one is Cody London. Anything he's written has been good. but It's one that's like a condensed version I believe is called 98.6 degrees, had a deeper ass life. And it's great. I like that dude. I really like that dude because he thinks outside the box the way a lot of it. He's kind of a hippie dude, but he thinks about some things in a different light than a lot of other survival guys do. What's his name? co Cody London, you said? Cody London, yeah. He used to be on the TV show, Dual Survival, but he's been in this business for like a long time, like 40 years or so.
00:24:12
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OK, cool. Kind of wanted to. Or Andy, did you have any more questions on that before I had another question? Well, I guess just another another aspect you you mentioned a little bit about communications and and how you're looking at you know doing the satellite uplink as ah as a mobile thing, because it seemed like one of the big issues yeah with people in North Carolina right now is, you know,
00:24:37
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The floods took out the lowlands and all the roads are in the lowlands, but there's a lot of people up in the hills who are just stuck because they don't have they can't travel, they can't bug out. right And so it's it's it's you know they fortunately, if they do have supplies, they've got them there, but it seems like a lot of them aren't being able to communicate to the outside world. So in oh for like a home base kind of communication, what do you use? What do you recommend?
00:25:02
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Okay, there's a lot to be said for like ham radios, or these little bale family that kind of thing. Hams are only good if if you like know what you're doing. All right, if you know how to, because it's a little bit more complex of a system. It's not rocket science, you can figure it out, but it is going to be a little bit more, it's going to be more sort of a buy in, and there's a little bit more complex of a system to run. But that will reach, I mean, a you know, a five meter ham radio will reach around the world. That's, its range is unlimited.
00:25:28
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Usually the next step down that most people are looking at is like a handheld, like a walkie talkie. Those are like okay, but the real problem with those is limited range. ah Talking like three to five miles in the best conditions and in in bad conditions like inside of cities where there's a lot of concrete and metal or in the mountains. I mean, it could be as low as half a mile, so you're not really reaching out anywhere else. ah That's why I'm...
00:25:55
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That's why I'm really looking at the ad the Starlink specifically as like the thing. Seems like you want satellites are always running. There are a couple of other, if I can get one right or somewhere, oh.
00:26:08
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like yeah Or a couple other options like this, ah we'll see, there's a Leo module. I got that into test and take a look at, but it's got like an SOS too, but it's also satellite based though. But the the nice thing about, especially the Starlink, is it's basically completely idiot proof. Like you plug it in, put your credit card number in it go and And the thing that that people really need to think about for for the communications,
00:26:36
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It's not just to that I can't walk out of this situation. It's not just that, you know, I can't survive in the woods like, you know, Johnny Rambo eating squirrel or some nonsense. But what if I'm hurt and what if like, you know, I broke my leg, fallen through a bridge or I've got a piece of rebar sticking on my chest and we've, we've now moved ourselves. We're now we're way at the highest end of the priority list to get Medivac. We we've got to have out outside help for that. Like my wife's not moving me with a broken leg. Like it's not happening.
00:27:05
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Yeah. So do you think there's enough there enough like satellite options out there that that's like a good thing people should be looking at? Mostly because also they seem to stay running right now. Like if we're talking like a nationwide pot, well, that's a whole different animal. Sure. But but ah for like realistic- For local disasters. Local and regional disasters, yes, satellite seems to be the way.
00:27:29
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Yeah, it's funny you said that. i I got my ham license years ago and I take my little class, I get a little handheld, you know, to me or whatever. And it took me months to figure out how to use that stupid thing right forever. I was like trying to talk on repeaters, but I didn't know what a repeater shift was. You know, they had to set it up on the radio. yeah And so, yeah, it's not just like, no, turn it on and it works. You have to learn it a little bit.
00:27:54
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Right, right. It's not just yeah a CV where you plug it into the wall, you can talk, but no, it doesn't work that way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So for a hundred percent. um Yeah, that's good advice. And in terms of like the the way that kind of the country is going, I mean, if if there was like a dispute of ah of ah of an election, I mean,
00:28:18
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Obviously, I'm thinking it's not going to there things might get chaotic, but it wouldn't be i mean it wouldn't be as chaotic as as that as a hurricane or a natural disaster. It'd probably ramp up slowly. i mean what do you What are your thoughts on that, or what what do you anticipate? More than likely, you're correct. That's the that's the most logical progression, is there just kind of amps up and gets worse. eat It could go quickly, too, though. It's it's it's kind of less odds, but it it could happen.
00:28:48
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So what I see is like a, let's let's call this like my plausible scenario for ah for what happens. Contestant election, now Democrats said that they cheated and probably said they cheated and whatever. ah they Before we can get to the point, remember how much pressure they were putting on electors last time in 2020 to like pick this team or this team? Imagine that now ramped up like way, way higher. But imagine like two or three days before ah the states pick their electors, and not only talk about they go to DC, but the states pick their electors. Let's say that they succeed in whacking Trump. They've tried at least twice, if not like four times, depending on who's math you want to run with there. Shilakim, now we've got like a constitutional crisis that's like
00:29:35
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I mean, I don't know what happens. Does Vance pick up the nomination? If they decide to go with red team, like I don't know. ah That's one of the few things I think can actually like get the states to move to a position of like, okay, we don't recognize the federal government anymore. And then you've got a problem. Then you've got, like this can only kind of end in that in blood. And you'll have some your back and forth chess funding. The problem with anything like that, though,
00:30:04
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if somebody either gets scared and shoots or just decides to start shooting, it can accelerate really fast after that and it's really hard to turn off. Usually once the bloodletting starts, it doesn't stop for a real long time.
00:30:17
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Yeah, and what scares me most is the way that the country is divided, not so much how divided it is, but more the the geography of it. Because if you look at like the Civil War, i'm not I don't think it's necessarily the worst idea if there's a country that's at odds with each other to to peacefully you know separate and have some sort of secession. but It's like, look, we're going to go our separate ways. of know Yugoslavia broke up. you know That's fine. If something like that happens, I mean, that wasn't good either. But I mean, you know, it didn't go. It wasn't pretty. But um the the problem is, I i see the divide is more like an urban versus rural versus like a north versus south, where there's no really even way to simply split. Like it's either we're in this together or it's real bad. Yeah, no, I agree with you. It's ah it's extremely messy. And yeah, it's like ah it's like blue dots surrounded by red counties. Yeah. And so that's that's no good for anyone.
00:31:05
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um And it doesn't complicate the factor a lot. And I don't know how that goes. Yeah. What do you think, Andrew? Oh, i yeah, like that concerns me, too, especially out in the West. There's, you know, there's all sorts of confounding factors with water, where, you know, what if the ah the west coast does decide to go its own way? You know, what about the the Colorado River?
00:31:31
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and uh how how much does california want to press its its rights upstream you know so things like that that could the very good trickle down and and last a while you know and just just be ugly so hoping Hoping for the best, I guess, but yeah, preparing for for not. Yeah. And in kind of going back to some of your books, Clay, like people love to preppers, especially love to buy crap. Yeah. um But the the networking in the in the human side of it was. Yeah. was Yeah. what Can you talk about that? Sure. So yeah, that I mean, it was basically, that's a lot of the reason why I ended up writing those books was you I read everybody else's stuff and like, here's how to, you know, eat poison ivy and, you know, dress a wound, which is important, is important stuff. But it it developed this mindset over like, of course, like 20 years of, you know, it's me against the world, like, I'm going to do this thing like by myself, and like, that's impossible.
00:32:29
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That works fine for like a plane crash, for the lone survivor. It does not work in a society that's falling apart. It does not work in ah any type of area where other human beings live. ah You have to band together. It doesn't matter how good you are, how, you know, tactical ninja or or anything else, like you got to sleep some time too. So the real way to survive in a normal situation with other people is yeah you network and you find the people that are you want on your team, and you make them your team, and you try not to get in gun fights with everybody else, you try to like, you know, you don't you don't try to Johnny Rambo this whole thing, and you try to like, do a number of things, have your group like, look so tough and organized that nobody wants to fight them, but we can trade chickens with those guys over there. ah Or slowly, you know, absorb people back into like a, you know, a civilizational model, and they start growing.
00:33:22
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ah Yeah, that's ah that's important. That's it also comes down to skill sets. Like I can't do everything that I need done and in the world. Like I can't be a brain surgeon and a car mechanic and a soldier and a farmer all at the same time. ah In fact, I can only do like one of those very well. ah It's the brain surgery. I'm a part time. Right. ah You know what I mean? It's ah there's a reason that our complex societies have developed these
00:33:54
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these specializations, all right? And you you just can't be generalist enough in all the categories.
00:34:02
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My dad used to always say a saying, and maybe we should do one do this proverb, one of these times, I just thought of it now, but he would always say, ah he was big he was an engineer and he was big into like a team building and he would always do these things. His favorite saying was, nobody's perfect, but a team can be. and that's you know i I don't know if that's literally true, you know but but it's but but the principle is sound, right? Like if you is very sound have a whole bunch of different people that that fit together like like puzzle pieces, you can have a really strong team where everyone's complimenting each other.
00:34:28
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No, that's fantastic. I never thought about it that way. But yeah, that's a good one. That's no that's awesome. And it's true. Yeah, it's absolutely true. Yeah, yeah, i i yeah I'm gonna have to clip that quote that you did there, because Clay. Try not to get in a gunfight. I think that's sound advice, generally, right? Yeah, right, right, right. Generally true, generally true. But yeah I mean, you know what I mean? A a lot of this prepper stuff is is sold, like, here's the 35-inch knife and like all the, you know, like black war paint and like, I mean, you might have to do that, so it's not gonna be a good time, but don't, that's not like day one strategy. That's not the, that's not the,
00:35:02
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Right. i like I like trading chickens better than that. that' Yeah, it's a lot more survive. Yeah, the attrition rate on trading chickens is like zero. Attrition rate on gunfights is eventually you're going to get capped. It's just how it works. Yeah, yeah, for sure. um Yeah, I was just thinking i was thinking about You know, it's it's nice. It's I guess kind of a luxury where I am just the community aspect of things. You know, we just recently had our our our city emergency drill. It's a it's a good sized town. wow And it's kind of like basically like an earthquake drill. And every every block has a captain. I'm i'm the block captain on my little block. And what it is is like you you go check on all your neighbors, make sure they're all home or they meet at your yard or whatever.
00:35:51
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And within, I don't know how long it takes, but certainly within an hour, everyone in the city basically is accounted for, whether they're at home or just unaccounted for, you know, but but the tallies are there. So it's just really a really cool mobilization that my town does every year. and and And we've had, you know, a couple years ago, a neighbor Little neighbor toddler went missing and his mom was, you know, she, she sounded the alarm, went out through like the the neighborhood email chain. And within 15 minutes, there were like two dozen of us out walking around calling his name and within half an hour, like the whole neighborhood, the police, the fire department, everyone was out. Like it was really fast response looking for this kid who fortunately he just went a couple of blocks over to the, the new construction site to look at the big trucks, you know? Um, and he was, he was fine, but.
00:36:42
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It was really cool to see how quickly everyone could mobilize to to handle that. That's amazing, actually. No, it's actually amazing. I haven't heard of a town being able to pull that off in like 30 years. That's amazing.
00:36:57
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Just had an experience, I was driving, I do a lot of driving for work and I'm driving through this little town and there's this like toddler, two years old, just walking all by himself and I'm like, hmm, I wonder where he's going. And he like walks past house after house after house after house. I'm like, where is he going? Because if if you walk by one house going home, I'm like, okay.
00:37:16
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And, uh, so finally I'm like, I'm just gonna park the car here and just watch. Just make sure this kid's okay. And so finally he goes up to a house. There's like seven houses down. He goes up and like, try to tries to open the door. I'm like, okay, it's probably his door. I go up.
00:37:29
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and knock on the door because he couldn't get in. And the dad comes, like, oh, I didn't know where he was. I thought he was in the house. He got out, and my kids. Kids are frickin' kids, you know? Yeah, yeah. They were up and crack, and then all of a sudden, two years of walking down the frickin' street, so. But yeah, like, man, that just illustrates the importance of community, though, man. I mean, like, really, really super important to have people kind of looking out for each other.
00:37:52
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Yeah. And it's it's the rarest, it's it's sadly, it's the rarest thing that there is right now. Most places, yeah you know, it's, it sucks, but it's just how it is. And that, I mean, that is one of the the things that people should be trying to improve on the most i in the, yeah in the interim times of, of not having a crisis is, is getting back to that community level. I mean, it is rare. It is rare. Yeah.
00:38:17
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Yeah, for sure. um I wanted to ask you about some of your so other books that you've written. So in in addition to Prerifier and Concrete Jungle, you've also got Wrath of the Wendigo, which is ah I think we talked about a little bit before. It's ah a fiction. And then you got a new one since we had you on last. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. ah this ah This new one took a a wildly different turn. ah There it is, Barbarian Spirit. OK.
00:38:42
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so So if you read Windigo, it was a fictional book, but it was exceptionally weird because it came to be like a vision to float out like that. That's kind of how it was. In fact, I didn't really want to write that book, but something was like, yes, you are. So that's one piece of it. The other piece of it is, I had some TBI from the war and stuff. I took some blast injury and that kind of thing. And this has been like the plague of guys from the G1.
00:39:13
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So two years ago, maybe a year ago, I got a chance to go down to Dallas and they have this clinic where they're doing those like basically magnets with electroshock therapy and I kind of like do some TBI repair stuff. While that was going on, I started looking at alternative treatments too. And one of the best alternative treatments that there is for for brain injury actually is psilocybin, magic mushrooms.
00:39:39
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ah yeah it's It's crazy. There's a whole protocol with it, but i you can do it one or two ways. You can do like a heavy dose or you can do called like a standard stack, which is a micro dose mixed with like niacin and wions made every every you know certain amount of days.
00:39:58
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But ah anyway, so yeah, I was like, hey, I'm going to go for the, let's go for the big dose. ah Let's just do that and see what happens. And it was kind of a weird experience. I put it off for a long time because I'm a Nancy Reagan kid and I have a dare shirt somewhere and you know, drugs are bad and whatever kind of stuff. And then you also start of thinking about it in terms of like,
00:40:19
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Well, you know, I know how to do some stuff and I've, I've done some things and maybe, maybe like putting hallucinogenics on board the mind of what it is effectively like a, you know, government train mass murder. Maybe that's not like a great idea. you mean But ah anyway, I finally got the point. I was like, I need to do something. So I'm going to do this. So I did. And I have really,
00:40:46
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unique experiences on the drug. And i I did it quite a few times after that, like seven, eight more times after that. And this book is about my experiences with the the psilocybin and like how it helped me and you know what it what it did for me, as well as like kind of how it opened me up on the ah the spiritual plane and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, that's not ah an uncommon story. I hear that all the time. I do that kind of therapy and end up Um, becoming more spiritual in some way. Oh yeah. It's really, it's really wild. It's, uh, it's funny how much it's, it's grown to, it was like a real therapeutic. Cause until, uh, two people started talking to me about it as a therapeutic, like the only people I knew that did mushrooms were going to like a fish concert. And that's, yeah.
00:41:35
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Do you mind me asking like what kind of symptoms are you having with your TBI and stuff like that? like ah Kind of like it's just like a brain fog. I feel kind of dumb sometimes. It's very common. like I've done stuff like you know put my keys in the freezer and then like close the door and then like five minutes later not know where they are. and that's complete You can get these like kind of irrational things that happen that don't make any sense. um But the worst one, the one that like really drove me to the edge of like, I got to try something different.
00:42:02
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it's ah It's not like a depression that's not quite right, ah but I've known a lot of other soft bettors that had the same thing. It's just this kind of like lethargy of like, I don't want to get out of bed. I don't want to do anything. I have no energy.
00:42:16
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And ah nobody can really figure out what that is, but it does seem to be a common symptom of these traumatic brain injuries. And that is like the worst, most especially when the world's falling apart and you're like, well, man, I don't know, let's take a nap. No, it sucks. ah But it does help with those things immensely.
00:42:36
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Yeah, and it seems uncharacteristic for those types of guys who are normally wound up, motivated and ready to run through a wall. And all of a sudden now they're that's why sitting around and knowing what the heck's going on. Exactly. That's why it gets so weird. And ah ah yeah it's also why a lot of us were like loath to talk about it. Like even my close friends wouldn't talk about it with me.
00:42:54
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And it's funny, because after I did the mushrooms to get through this, after you do a drug I get to, first thing you want to do is tell all your friends, like, hey, man, have you? So I started calling around to the boys and started getting opened up a little bit more, and almost all of them had the same symptoms. Like, oh, what? Like, what are we talking about? It was like five years ago. But we didn't.
00:43:13
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ah Can you tell us ah how some of the injuries happened? like did you were you did you get like Was it like a blunt force hit to the head or what happened? Oh, it was all explosions. For me, a yeah RPG almost took my head off one time. It came so close. It didn't quite actually put a mark on my helmet, but it like ripped my helmet off and it's laying on the side of my head.
00:43:32
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I got knocked out by an artillery shell one time. I've been close to you know all kinds of explosive breaches that we did. I've been in a couple IEDs. It's just normal like wear and tear for this war.
00:43:46
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Yeah, and it's it's also weird because of like the helmets and armor and stuff a lot of us survived things that at other wars we wouldn't know so Rather than seeing a higher, you know death count casualty count ah We're finding now especially you know 20 years later is all kinds of dudes have all kinds of now unique brain problems associated with this type of conflict. It's wild stuff. I had never thought about that. Yeah, no, it's really weird. and i mean They only really started figuring this stuff out around 2007 or 2008, and they've been kind of like progressing the science, but yeah a lot of it's unknown stuff. Interesting.
00:44:27
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And that has to do with a lot of the protective gear you wore, the Kevlar helmets or what kind of... Yeah, and it's mostly those Kevlar helmets are actually padded. Now, you look at the old white guy, helmets like Vietnam, they've got a leather band in them and some webbing. That's not really... I mean, that's kind of like protect your head on a tree branch. It doesn't do anything for real impact.
00:44:48
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Our modern helmets have like, they're almost like ah like NFL helmets, have like foam padding in them. and It is Kevlar, all that stuff. ah So it just prevents a lot more injury. And it can also actually cut you in weird ways the other way. Like, a so for your army, you're wearing ceramic armor front and back. Well, normally, if you didn't have that on, a blast wave would hit you, and it would transfer through you, and it would go away.
00:45:14
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what they found with the ceramic armor is it actually penetrates the first one and reverberates between the two and makes that part worse. So it's kind of a give and take. But yeah, I mean, it's a lot of weird stuff that, again, you know, 25 years ago was unimaginable. Like, like, what? Yeah, yeah. And then you also trauma medicine got so good. I kind of saw
00:45:36
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ah Question about the the hard plate armor. sure um Is that something you recommend for for the average Joe? I know a lot of folks are like you know gun guys, especially like, look, I got the armor too. im like is that Is that something you envision being useful? I'm not a big fan, ah okay except for like certain conditions. like Like, okay, if you live in like an apartment building in Atlanta, like, okay, just get the armor. because like You might need that anyway. Exactly right, exactly right. But even yeah any city, like you're gonna be more likely to be in contact with close range, you've got a lot more people, it's a lot it's a lot more chaotic of a place. For everybody else, I'm not a big fan of armor. It's just, it's so heavy, and it costs so much money, and it's it's
00:46:23
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it's gonna tire you out faster, like all this stuff. And ah it matters if you're gonna be in like gunfights every day, but if you're if you're playing the odds, like. I got like a 15% chance we're going to be in a firefight and like an 85% chance that I'm going to raise my chickens and walk over there and, you know, I don't know, patrol the neighborhood on a bicycle. At that point, the though the the weight in cost starts really looking kind of silly. And like for me personally, like if I had to leave my house, they're like, those plates are not coming with me. I've got to set because I you know teach and stuff, but they're not coming. I'm not bringing them with me.
00:46:55
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Yeah, okay good to know yeah some of these stuff like you you never know one of the things I've noticed with with like prepper guys gun guys is they see the cool guys wearing this stuff and they're like I need it cuz I'm a cool because those guys were and I'm like Yeah, they have great experience. They know what they're doing, but they have a very different mission than you got to really think about hey I'm not I'm not right, you know halo jumping into the Hindu Kush I'm i'm doing something completely different like you know, maybe I don't need that right. No, you're exactly right Yeah, I don't have 20 friends doing this my family's with me which you know right that That even goes to like you know choice of gun and stuff like that. like yeah I can get away with a heavy gun when I'm 28 and it's my job to go to the gym all day and then you know run missions and bag that for 12 hours.
00:47:38
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I'm going to carry a much lighter gun if I have to carry my kids and a backpack and a bunch of nonsense. and you know I'm not going to shoot bin Laden that day. like I can get by with a little little worse of a gun. Yeah, for sure. For sure.
00:47:56
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um so yeahs ah Were you, before you did the therapy and kind of had the experiences that you wrote about in, was it Warrior Spirit? I think it was. Barbarian Spirit. Barbarian Spirit, yeah, I have it right here, but I forgot. Oh, nice. Yeah. I haven't had a chance to read it yet, so I know that's like a faux pas of a podcast. No, I've just had to do this. It's book read before. It's brand new, it's brand new. Everybody gets a waiver. I haven't had a chance to read it, but I will. So were you like a spiritual or religious guy before this happened, or no? Not in the slightest.
00:48:28
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Really? Really. Yeah, no, I would have i wouldve classified myself as an atheist. Okay. And that that was probably true up until like 2017, 2018. I won't say that the the yeah the that the mushrooms pushed me completely over the edge of that. I was already kind of like in that mindset. And that was mostly actually because like the world started falling apart so much and like, well, I believe in ah evil now. So, yeah and that's not from the war. That's from like all the you know pedophilia and like weird stuff that started coming out like the the mid-Trump, when these things became like fact, it was like, oh my God, this is unbelievable. This is 10 times worse than the war was, a hundred times worse. What's actually going on?
00:49:06
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So I was kind of like in that like like spiritual zone a little bit. Like I definitely believe in that side. Uh, but after, after I did much better the first trip, uh, then it was no longer theoretical. Uh, that's how it's been put best to me. And that's what I would say too, from, from having done the drug is, uh, it's not faith anymore. You know, and there's a difference. Hmm.
00:49:32
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Yeah, that's ah yeah, that's crazy. I mean, because remember then the first time you were here, you talked about some of the evil you saw in Iraq, you know, people using power tools on. Oh, man, it was a bad place. It was a bad place. But I would wager that Epstein Island is worse.
00:49:46
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Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. Especially because, like, you could make ah ah an argument that, man, those people were raised in a tough area. They were, you know, violently raised. But yeah then you talk about people who were just like, these elite, wealthy, yeah they're nothing hard. They just chose to be evil. They're doing this for fun. Yeah, yeah exactly. That's crazy. No, it's nuts. It's actually nuts. Yeah.
00:50:10
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um Yeah, we'll ah um yeah um i look I'm looking forward to reading it. I'm looking forward to reading it. It's ah it's it's ah it's been sitting on my desk for for a little while now. I haven't haven't gotten around to it, but all all of your other books I thought were really good. Now, um remind me, you have a couple more that I didn't mention, right? Didn't you read a write a few a while back? Oh, my my my first ones. Yeah, yeah my my old ones are Last Son of the War God and Sword of the Caliphate. Okay, yeah, I haven't read those either. I need to get to that. Are you working on anything currently?
00:50:40
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Yeah, I really actually want to do a third part to the Concrete Jungle and Prairie Fire ah just in like the interest of time. i I feel like for most of us, like I'm putting writing projects off right now and back to the edge. That works quite literally this time. Yes. I'm focusing more on like, I don't think there's like a hundred percent chance that the country's going to fall apart this election cycle, but I don't think there's a zero percent chance either. So I'm spending a little bit more time doing like physical stuff and you know, worry about like my food and stuff like that. And you know, around January, if everything's fine, well I'll go back to writing.
00:51:17
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Yeah, OK. OK, so you said I want to break down some of the things you just mentioned. Physical stuff, so just staying in reasonable shape? Yeah, and with the focus on durability. you know Nobody needs to be running like you know three CrossFit you know workouts a day or anything like that. But ah just little stuff, like getting a little bit of shape, stretch out a little bit, you know walk to your backpack a little bit, nothing nothing bananas. i Just you know turn it up a little bit from wherever you are. ah if you are like super fitness bro, well, maybe actually calm down a little bit. Maybe think about this as like the off season. So, you know, maybe I want my knees to feel really good on November 7th, just in case. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:59
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Right. I mean, yeah, no, a hundred like like a UFC fighter before a big fight. They're not doing a hard training right a few days before the fight. Like they're taking at a little at least exactly exactly. Yeah, maybe yeah maybe stock up maybe yeah maybe take a little bit of like ammo budget and stop spending it on training and just hang on to it. Like maybe I need a little bit of extra next time. yeah But yeah, yeah, all the little details like that.
00:52:24
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Okay. Okay. And then obviously, ah ah of course, and continuing the networking and and and making making connections as well as you can. um So you said you're teaching as well. You're doing like firearms classes or what what are you teaching? Yeah, i so I'm still doing firearms classes. Yeah, I teach at pistol and long range primarily.
00:52:42
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um ah I'll definitely, again, scheduling, I'll make sure that I'm home election night and for the week after that. I was getting a class that week. so Yeah, so I'm still doing that stuff. You can find that over at DefianceTrainingGroup.com. Okay. Yeah, I got a link to it there. Do you teach them just local where you're at or do you travel around? No, I travel around. Okay. Okay, cool. Defiance Training Group? Yep. Okay. Yeah, definitely check that out. I've been talking a lot. Andrew, what do you got for Clay?
00:53:13
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Oh, I just, ah I like being a fly on the wall. You know me. So, just always always nice. It was always always a pleasure talking talking to Clay. You you ah you always get get me inspired to go out and get serious about prepared getting prepared and getting getting trained and everything. So really appreciate it. Oh, good brother. I appreciate it. that's ah That's the name of the game, I feel like. it's ah And that's kind of what we all need to do for each other, too, is we just kind of keep each other on on track. And, ah you know, one of the best things about going on shows like this, or I was on a podcast last night, something like that, is you kind of listen and and see other people in in the same mindset. It makes you feel like you're not, like, alone. You know, like, you know, the crazy person, like, is everything, like, okay? Well, me and these 200 guys think it's not so...
00:54:08
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Doesn't mean we're right, but at least we're not crazy alone. Yeah, yeah and and we really appreciate the work that you've done and stuff and the experiences that you've been willing to share. ah Because, you know, I feel like, you know, we do have some crazy stuff going on and to make some crazy stuff heading our way. But we also have people who with a wealth of experience from the GWOT and from a bunch of stuff that can share their experiences and like help, ah maybe help somebody make it through. Yeah, no, exactly. so i appreciate it Absolutely. Absolutely. And yeah, yeah, it's a
00:54:40
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it's a good It gives me like a good feeling when when people you know come, when they take that from the conversation or from the books or anything like that. Like, hey, this helped me. like Good, man, that's that's what I needed. That's what I intended. That's what I want for all of this. is As many of us as possible is to like walk this off and get back to you know ducks at the park, not being by Haitians.
00:55:05
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ah Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, I mean, in you know, I know some it's a temptation for the young men, especially the ones full of testosterone to be like, Oh, let's let's do it. But when you have kids, man, it's a different game. Yeah. It really is. It really is like, let's ah Let's all calm down a minute and let's see if we can still get our garbage taken out next week and have air conditioning and stuff. I like all those things. Me too. I'm going to go a long way to keep them. Not all the way. There's a limit where I'll be like, okay, well now I don't get rid of my trash being picked up. That can actually be a hard thing too for the younger guys. I was just talking about this last night as far as timelines go.
00:55:48
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those dudes are like, you know, nothing ever happens and blah, blah, blah. Like, I mean, do you realize like how long the lead up to the Revolutionary War was? i It was like 20 years of of like, let's try this or okay, no, we're gonna. ah Same thing with the US Civil War. It was like a at least 10 year, if not, you know, 20 year lead up to that, you know, Kansas to Brad. Yeah, Kansas, Missouri.
00:56:11
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all this stuff. ah So things don't just happen you know overnight. But you also sometimes don't know how far along the path you are. You just kick off like, oh my God. And to people paying ah not paying attention, September 10th, 2001 was probably nothing ever happens. you know And they weren't really realized what was going on until all of a sudden the whole world changed. Right. Yeah, I know exactly right. No, 100% true. 100% true. So yeah.
00:56:38
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All right, man. Well, hey, yeah um ah thank you so much for coming on. It's always a pleasure to have you. um ah Super, super information good information for people and useful. And I think it will help some people. And ah any last things you want to plug or anything you want to say before we sign off?
00:56:54
Speaker
Well, guys, again, thanks for having me. I always enjoy the show. Let's do it again sometime soon. ah For everybody that's out there, yeah, man, ah really nothing to plug it. Let's just, let's keep our heads up a little bit more and heads off with a little bit. let's Let's treat this next five weeks like ah not like we're going crazy, but maybe we get it a little bit more together. And if if everything comes out perfect in November, let's get back to Christmas shopping. But if it doesn't, let's be ready for that.
00:57:22
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Yeah, okay, well said. We'll leave it at that. Thank you so much again, Clay, and thanks everybody for listening. We'll ah we'll see you guys all next week. And yeah, Clay, absolutely, we'd love to have you on again. Thanks for everybody, bye. Thanks, we'll see ya. Thanks guys. There are only four things certain since social progress
00:57:51
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and that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins, when all men are paid for existing, and no man must pay for his sin, as surely as water will wet us, as surely as fire will burn, the gods of the copy will hit us, with terror and slaughter.