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Episode 23 – Celebrity Cheating Scandals & Extended Adolescence in Millennials
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Hey, we didn’t talk about AI this week! Kind of. Discussions include: parasocial celebrity idolization, criticism vs condemnation, and whether a 30-year-old should still have unicorn wallpaper. Enjoy, Shallow Frenz!
Articles:
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-lede/how-dare-celebrities-cheat
https://www.wsj.com/economy/what-happens-when-a-whole-generation-never-grows-up-d200e9ef
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Transcript
Introduction and Listener Engagement
00:00:13
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Hello, Rebecca. Hi, Dad. Hello. Hello, shallow friends. Welcome to episode 23 of the shallow end. This one's going to be a banger. I would say all of them are. Well, yeah, but this one's we're going to have some fun with this one. Don't listen to like older stuff. Listen to like 15 and on.
00:00:38
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Well, don't listen to the one that this is going to sound a lot like. Don't listen to that one. Or do if you want more of our opinions, I guess. um We are going super classy on this one, though.
00:00:49
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I mean, honestly, we have two articles. It's The New Yorker and The Wall Street Journal. We kind of came with like really legit stuff. it's It's all fine. We went a couple of weeks bringing each other badly written articles and we both went, fuck it. no and Not anymore. OK. So now we're we are ready for prime time.
00:01:11
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um But before we do all of that, you know what we always do? We got to look at our analytics. Oh, OK. We got to actually talk about who's listening to this shit. Let's talk about it. We did this last.
00:01:26
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We've done, I've been trying to do this every time because I am someone who looks at the stats. I do too. Okay. Secretly. In my own time. So I feel like the only way we should really address this is by just saying hi to everybody. Okay. In their native language. Oh, fantastic. Okay. Okay. So, ready? Yep. You just echo what I said. I will repeat.
00:01:53
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So this is for our shallow friends across the globe. Hello.
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OK, now tell me all the countries that we just said hello. Yeah. Well, what's the second one? Oh, oh, Spanish. Yeah. What was after that? Guten Tag. Guten Tag German. Yeah, which isn't really like it. It's good day. But I don't know. i I just wanted to make it sound German. So I used Guten Tag. OK, well, you asked me what the language was. Yeah, yeah you do it. You do it. What was the next one? Terra.
00:02:45
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Tera is crazy because you're never goingnna get in my brain, that's earth. yeah no What is it? That's from Estonia. You know, dude. Hello, Tera. Can you imagine if you were like,
Superfan Interaction and Feedback
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give me the thing. And we ran through and I was like, Estonia? Somebody right away somebody accidentally downloaded our podcast in Estonia. And I hope they really enjoyed it. Really? Yeah. I mean, oh okay whatever. And then Konnichiwa.
00:03:12
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Japan. Yeah. ah The only disappointment here is that are our good friend, Kamrad Putin, ah was apparently too busy to download the podcast in the last 30 days. And so um he wasn't able to catch up. Yeah. But I'm sure we'll see him again. too You know, when I check the analytics, the two places I look are
00:03:40
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tried and true and see. Yes, of course you know of course. Always. Because it's the first place I look is I'm like, oh, cute. This is perfect because and that's where we're going next, right? And the second place is always Inigo Montoya in España.
00:04:00
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you
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Did my father prepare to die? What? I just he's we named him that last episode. I know but I just I always look for him because or them. Sorry. Yeah But but that person they've been with us though for like, yeah a long ah while. Yeah Yeah, so I look for them. I think it's I think it's sweet.
00:04:23
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I think that's fair. Thank you, by the way. Of course. Silent listening. but we don't We don't care where you're listening from or whether you um know us. I actually don't even care if you like us. Thanks for listening.
00:04:43
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North Carolina superfan, we always love you love calling out. She gave us so much good feedback in the last month or so. ah really cool feedback on some of the stuff we were talking about. ah the I particularly liked when she called us out on the AI Jesus stuff, where she basically told us like, um you needed to actually talk about that more and and like, what would,
00:05:17
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with Give me more about what AIG would be like. well she was like Which I wanted too, but i was we chose a bad article. Full disclosure, we saw her in person before she listened to that episode. That's true, yeah. So we saw her in person and we started actually naturally talking about that topic and then we both went at the same time, oh wait.
00:05:41
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We don't want to say any more. Listen to the episode, because we talk about it there. And so we kind of we we gave her a cliffhanger. And then she texted us. And then it was very disappointing. She was like, I was expecting more than what I received. Yeah, it wasn't good. It wasn't good. So sorry. Sorry. Yeah.
00:05:59
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But and everybody else who's listening know that North Carolina's superfan is representing you as well and she's giving us good feedback and and driving us towards excellence. Yes, and improving every episode. Great feedback every time. yeah Anyone else who would like to give us that kind of feedback, we would love to hear it. Yes, and actually, I haven't done this in a hot minute because truthfully,
00:06:24
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I haven't logged in in a hot minute. But we do have an Instagram. You're kind of lazy. Technically. Yeah, you're right. Fuck you. Nothing's going on in your life, Rebecca. Absolutely zip. um But if you do want to message us feedback, criticism, insults, suggestions. Let's not. Our Instagram is at the shallow end crew. So.
00:06:55
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I don't really want to invite no the negativity. Please talk to us. if you Positive suggestions or um accolades because you we've changed your life
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in some way. like We would really love to hear that. Compliments, adulation. This podcast has changed my life.
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Technically, I guess. It has. It has. It means that... Life is different now than it was before. For some random amount of time at some random moment. Random day. I will put my voice into the universe with my daughter. hour. my daughter And that has changed my life. That wasn't happening before? It wasn't happening before. That's true.
00:07:47
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Well, after more yapping than we usually do in these intros... but really Oh, you have more. do i Oh, right. You have... Do you have any bits? I'm so sorry. Do you have bits? I don't have bits. I don't have bits. I don't. I don't have bits.
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I keep waiting for you to have a bit, Rebecca. Actually, not to give you a little bit of a peek behind the curtain. Uh-oh. I have a bit um stewing oh up here. Oh, you're teasing it. You're teasing it back. Well, I came up with it and didn't do anything about it. Sounds like you. Yeah. So it's up here. Also sounds like me. It's stewing. It's gaining some flavor before I project it onto the world. OK.
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um After last episode, you know we're I said we needed to practice our ad reads. yeah who I feel like we're starting to attract some attention. I agree.
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um from the, kind of the like the challenger brands out there, like the the brands that want to be relevant in the podcast verse. Yeah, absolutely. The what verse? What did you say? Pediverse? No, I said the competitors. Oh, okay. I thought you were saying something about pedophiles. No, sure wasn't. Okay, cool.
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ah i Just want you to know that I have three new test advertisers that might be willing to pay for a Spa Wow our podcast amazing, but it's one more than last week it it it last week what I like to say week like I know And I like to call out that we suck at it's a fun delusion So
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do you have any interest in doing adrie yeah didn I mean, you you rocked it last time. This is the only way to get people to actually pay us to see nothing. I know. I know. And this time, I just want- That's my dream. I mean, I think we talked about the fact that I used heavily used AI with this, but you know it's the AI prompt and then- And then an editing and a polishing, and yeah. This time, there wasn't a whole lot of
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You fucking crushed that. including the fast talk at the end with all the terms and conditions, they don't want anybody to know, oh shoot,
Celebrity Scandals and Society's Perception
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cut this. I want them to hire us. I'll cut it, I'll cut it, I'll cut it. They are very clear with their expectations. You just, you went instinctively into. I read terms and conditions apply. And you went. And I knew. Oh my gosh, you're natural. Thank you, I know. See, this is why we do this, people. No, wait.
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No, this is. No, that's correct. Eventually, we're going to perform in front of dozens. Maybe even four people. How amazing. All right. Wow. Now, my shit's done.
00:21:09
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i like Thank you for humoring me. You've played out your bullshit? Yeah. And I'm sorry that we picked the the weakest one of the three last. I don't think so. That was good. I mean, you crushed the terms and conditions piece. That was awesome. Actually, usually we agree before we press record, but which article would you like to begin? um
00:21:37
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I kind of think that ah in order to avoid being repetitive, you should lead. Okay. Because I feel like my article is kind of the same same thing that I've been saying for a while. Maybe. Are we doing muppets now? Well, okay. We'll begin with mine then. Okay, so I should probably not be looking at mine then.
00:22:06
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that That would probably be advisable. Hey, I do want to point out, there's I did throw these both into a Word doc and verify that we were within about 200 words yeah in terms of length. So we're i'm I'm starting to get a little bit more controlled in terms of length of article and yan you had a like you're pretty much normal length article. When I was when I was talking to my partner about when he should expect me after this recording I was like honestly We both choose like chose appropriately. Yeah, mine isn't like They're like page and a half ish
00:22:53
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Like, they get in and get out. you yeah All right. all right let's Let's hit it. You want to intro it? Mine is called How Dare Celebrities Cheat by Lauren Michelle Jackson. And this was for The New Yorker.
00:23:09
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Yep, sure is. And um I will say, we've had a little bit of a trend the past couple of episodes, choosing articles which we then shit on. Right. with For their writing. But this one is actually one that I truly recommend people read. I agree. And the the first thing, after I was finished in my first read through of this, the first thing I wrote up top was, this is a fun article.
00:23:38
Speaker
And it's so well written. It's really well written. This person is a really good writer. Like not just... Engaging really... yeah like the she use She uses like but words as art a little bit. When she's playing around. She's not just trying to use them to get across her point. She's playing. you know It's fun.
00:24:00
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i I've brought like names into things more than once. yeah Did you notice the name? For this one? The author of this article. Or and Michelle Jackson, I just said it. Anything about Michelle Jackson that you would like to think might be relevant here?
00:24:25
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Absolutely nothing. no No, nothing. Okay. So opinion um Lauren so did something i made a choice to include Michelle ah and and like I think she's actually kind of like poking at the audience. Like I'm writing a really fun article about celebrity gossip.
00:24:51
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in in giving some context to it and really, like she she's got some really good perspective on things. And she's intentionally telling you that she was named after Michael Jackson. That's pretty awesome. But the topic of the article is celebrity cheating, right? Yes.
00:25:18
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Can I just share something? um This is our favorite person, one of our favorite people. Yes. Dad, who is it? um So Taylor Tomlinson, yeah see she has something to say about cheating.
00:25:36
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I love her. Anything she says I'm gonna agree with. And to be honest, I just wanted the excuse to play this clip because the rest of the article isn't terribly relevant to this clip. I was wondering how this is gonna connect. From the standpoint of just like celebrity cheating, like there's gonna be some comedy references in here, but this is Taylor Toddlinson who, yeah, we love her. She's frickin' wicked smart and super funny.
00:26:06
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never cheated on me but he did do this weird thing where he would let me know anytime other women hit on him like he'd go out of his way to be like oh babe I just won't let you know girl Starbucks tried to give me her number so and I'm like cool what do you want me to say that you want to fist bump you like nice bro get it like you want me to get jealous turn into Batman like where is she like what I And he's like, no, I'm trying to be honest with you because I love you. That's what I'm doing. I'm being honest with you. And I'm like, no, you're not. You want me to know that you turned down the option of other people today. You want points for not cheating on me. Like I'm supposed to swoon or something.
00:27:02
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I'm so lucky. This is like a fairy tale.
00:27:07
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Okay, sorry. ah Yeah, so this is the the premise of how I came into the article based on the title. Yes. I just immediately thought about that bit that Taylor Tomlinson did. And I'm like, I was so ready for all kinds of things to happen. Yeah. They they almost happened. They almost did. They didn't really happen. The author really tees it up to whammy you with just kidding like yeah it's a roast but it's it's it's with wait it's actually kind of yeah with quite a quite an interesting point
00:27:50
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Yeah, go so so go let me jump in here because yeah, like I said I said to my father earlier this evening as a warning to him I said dad guess what I did thought i took her notes for this episode And he went oh no but um I'm not gonna be able to keep up. That's the whole point. That's why I'm playing clips of Taylor Townsend I'm hoping that it distracts you from the fact that I have nothing here. All right. Okay. Okay. Um, I have a couple of beginning comments to lead into questions for you because I think what the most important or not important interesting piece to explore about this is the the generational difference yeah between the way that your generation
00:28:37
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views, relationships, slash cheating, in the way that my generation does. So... That's how I wound up finishing like, oh my gosh, this is so... The interpretation is so different. It's so much more complicated for you. I'm so sorry. It is so much more complicated. But also, I don't know if I totally agree with that. Okay, so let me jump in. Let me jump in. Because she begins this by talking about how these days, the way that dating is going,
00:29:06
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de but she says quote-unquote defining the relationship is the days of that are gone. Nobody does that anymore. You just enter a relationship with a fuzzy understanding of what that technically means and then you you continue that way. So she she's saying, okay, here's one quote that I specifically picked up. I bet it's the exact same thing that I just highlighted. like i yep Go ahead, say it.
00:29:32
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Well, there are two, and I think probably you highlighted both. Few monogamous couples, that is, get down to the brass tacks of chalking the contours, or rather the borders, of their coupledom, including those inclined to discuss their transition to exclusivity. So I highlighted that, but then I also highlighted coupling up, especially among the straights, tends to leave a lot on set.
00:29:57
Speaker
So so so you you highlighted a couple things prior to to me, the distillation of everything that had just been said, which was, what's understood doesn't have to be explained. I'm like, wait, what? As long as you both know it's understood, correct. You don't have to explain everything. You don't have to over like have overwrought conversations about anything. but Are you sure it's understood? Are it's understood? That's like, also, okay. Also, that's a crazy thing to say about, like not only one generation, I think she's looping in a couple of them. Oh, for sure. In this statement. And I'm like, that's never been true for me. Well, so I think this is one of these things where it's like ah someone's trying to
00:30:56
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state of premise to get permission to say a bunch of other stuff. And the premise is like, we all get it, right? And and if you if you start from there and you and you go, well, no. We don't all get it.
00:31:17
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but I'll allow it in Middle Ditch and Schwartz style. Oh my god, that's such a deep pause. And if you just let it go and say, I'm going to allow it, this article does walk us through some stuff. Yeah, it does. It brings more like, I'm not sure I'm on board at the front. Yeah. But as we get deeper in them. She does make statements in this first paragraph that is not
00:31:50
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re-examine later. yeah like it's right She just says it and then moves on. I'm just going to bring you in here and that's in just then we're going to have a real conversation. like I read that coupling up, especially among the straights. I was like, really? I didn't know that. Is that what they do? Okay. I don't know. And who am I to say? Well, okay. Then let's, let's jump in because she, she said she uses like, I would say three or four examples of real like celebrity cheating scandals. And the first one that she addresses is Sabrina Carpenter and Barry Keogan. Yeah.
00:32:33
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so So, let's just full disclosure. Yep, disclose. Who? Yeah, you have no idea who either of those people are. No. Okay, so Sabrina Carpenter is a singer. She's my age. She's a little blonde girl. Okay. She's cute. Does she sing well? She does sing well. I like her lyrics. I like her music. Barry Keogan, I didn't know him until he started dating her. He's an ugly actor. Okay, does he sing well? Dunno.
00:33:02
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Dab it. Dab it. He's the bad guy. guy he's just In this story, as well, you know it like actually, the author is kind of riding for him a little bit.
00:33:16
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Yeah, a little bit. I mean, the author has a, like, let's all come back to center on all these kinds of issues. Yeah, she is kind of she is arguing for sanity in this. But can I give you some context about the Barry Keogan and Sabrina Carpenter? Yes, please. barr curious go That's part of the problem. Like, I can't so so process this properly. Sabrina Carpenter and Barry Keogan announced that they were dating and the internet went Really? Because she's stunning and he's fine. oh like If I saw him on the street, even a little off. Would the reaction have been the same if he was stunning and she was okay?
00:33:58
Speaker
Oh, it would have been so much worse that... Okay. I'm just asking. You think the internet is less harsh on ugly women than it is on ugly men? I'm just asking questions. That's crazy. Okay, no. But that was the immediate reaction was like, oh, okay. Well, if you like them, I guess we do too. And then she released a song called Please, Please, Please, which is basically like the choruses Please, please, please, don't prove I'm right. Please don't bring me to tears when I just, blah, blah, blah, blah. Heartbreak is one thing, my ego's another. I beg you, don't embarrass me, motherfucker. It's the chorus. Oh my.
00:34:38
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Well, and then so she releases this about like everybody that I talked to about you is telling me that you're bad news that you're going to cheat on me. That's bad. Yep. Please don't do that. And she chose to write a song she wrote a song about it and you know what she did. No, dad, you know, she shows, you know what she did. She made a music video and she put Barry Keogan in the freaking music video pretending to be a dude that screwed her over who she's asking not to. Oh, that's weird.
00:35:05
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And then they broke up. And everybody was like, oh, you cheated on her. ah With zero context or proof. But that was the immediate assumption from the general online public. yeah you know so And this is the first of a few examples that are in this article. I just have... I'm glad you gave me context. The context adds a lot, I feel. um
00:35:32
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And it brings me to one of the to to me one of the most critical points in evaluating an article about, I mean the premise of this article is how dare celebrities cheat. My question to you is, if someone is dating in the public sphere and chooses to date someone that it seems oh like not like the right fit. A little sketch. And then happens just by consequence, by you know just simple, the muse struck her. And so she wrote a song.
00:36:18
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And then she reached out to this person that she is in a relationship with, like, please insert air quotes here, and added him to the music video. At what point is this all just an act? Well, it's a fantastic question.
00:36:45
Speaker
I will admit that personally, I interact with every celebrity. Yeah. You know them very deeply. No, no, no. As if it's an act. Oh, as if it... Okay. Okay. Like every... I'm not looking... That's what they say. I was going to say, we're going to get there real quick. No, no, no. This is live action role play in front of my face.
00:37:10
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i do so If I'm going to send empathy up the food chain, it's going to be, wow, it's going to suck to not actually be able to have a real relationship with anybody.
00:37:21
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right because Or even if you think you do, you're always you're always there's always something in your mind. like for sure yeah but this is for sure they're using me yeah that would but But she talks about how like the internet, the second they broke up, they were like, oh, he was cheating on her. And it was with this l LA influencer. And then the influencer went on TikTok and she was like,
00:37:46
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I've never met him. So it was immediately disproven and that didn't stop anything. People were horrible to him no and to his family. and like It's the inner web. Truth doesn't matter. yeah But there's like this point where she talks about how he responded to all of this like vitriol that he was getting yeah by coming out and saying, this has been taken too far. You're coming to my family. You're yeah sitting outside the house that my child lives in. he is a child from another relationship. And somebody responded like, I didn't see an apology in this. And it and it was like,
00:38:26
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Okay, yeah, and he has nothing to apologize for, and even if he did cheat on her, why would he be apologizing to you? Yes. I think this is... um i I will resist bringing another comedian in, okay but um this idea that ah Anybody who's famous owes the entire world an apology for doing something ah bad,
00:39:00
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even if it's like they legitimately did something bad. yeah They did that to the people who are close to them. They did that to their family or their they there spouse or or partner. whomever yeah ah they owe that apology to that person. and The rest of us aren't owed an apology for anything. And and and if if you're up in arms as a person on social media about something that somebody did, even if they really did it, and you're like, they suck so bad, we deserve an apology, and that's what you're driving for, you don't actually give a shit what they did. no If what you want is for you to receive an apology,
00:39:43
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You don't care about who actually got hurt. Yeah, right. so No, exactly. Yeah. But
Celebrity Relationships and Public Backlash
00:39:50
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we actually kind of get there. She, she, she reaches that point a little bit later now. she know there yeah but This article is really, again, I'm going to reinforce super well-written, very balanced and um When I say well-written, it's like it's a joy to read. Yeah, it was fun. it's like This is a person who understands how to use language to to prove of so to like present a point and also just entertain you along the way. it's
00:40:25
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She's so good. but This is such a good article. I would have loved to to sit there and have her say it to me in person. Yeah, like yeah for sure. um But I really do want to move to Ariana Grande this one... I just don't really want to hear anything that... I actually do have opinions on this one. Like reduces my opinion of her... Well, she talks about that.
00:40:52
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Doesn't she? She does. Yeah, she sure does. She talks about that. She talks about this entire drama about Ariana Grande on the set of the Wicked movie and how she and Ethan Slater, the guy who plays Bach. What is Bach? I don't know that.
00:41:08
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Vock is the character that he plays. I know, but I don't, I don't, like, is he in the movie? Yeah, he's in the movie. Oh, okay. Do you remember the little ginger boy who's obsessed with her sister in the wheelchair? Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, that's him. Okay, I just saw... He's dating Ariana Grande. Is that crazy? That's crazy.
00:41:30
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Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, I have a lot to say about both of those people, but go ahead. Right. Well, OK. So I feel like there's more context to this that that you don't have.
00:41:44
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Oh, I guarantee it. So outside of this event where she and this, they were both married when they met. In making this movie, in making the movie that Wicked. They met on the set, both married. yeah His wife had just had a baby. baby Just had a baby.
00:42:06
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And but like within the year, they both divorced their partners and started and came out publicly. Actually, they came out publicly that that they were dating before they divorced their partners, which is insane. But I would like to tell you. yeah you know i mean Well, ethanla everybody knew that they were to go Ethan Slater's wife reported that she didn't know about the affair until it was released to the public that they were dating.
00:42:35
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Like, she was truly blindsided by this. He didn't tell her anything. Do we believe that, though? I believe it. Really? Okay. Also, she was in the U.S. while he was in the U.K. filming this movie a month after she had a baby. like yeah Yeah, what would she know about that? She had no idea what was going on. Frickin' new mom. She's busy. But here's the context. This isn't the first time Ariana has done this.
00:43:02
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Oh really? isn't This is not the first time she's stolen a married man. Or not necessarily a married man. Sorry, an engaged man. Do you know who Big Sean is? I mean, and I know the name. He's a rapper. Yeah. So, he... Is this where your notes come in? These are the notes you took?
00:43:23
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Oh, there are more notes. Big Sean? This is stuff that I already knew, but I needed to confirm that I knew the correct story. This is the story. He was dating Naia Rivera. Do you know who that is? I don't know that one either. She was in Glee. Oh, okay. She died. She died in 2020. She drowned. Did he kill her? No. Okay. They had broken up and let me tell you why. They were engaged in like 2014.
00:43:49
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maybe Thought I kind of thought this was gonna turn into only murders in the building that would have been fun have been fun like um They were engaged and um So she was gone. No, no, no, he was gone. They both lived in LA. They didn't live together, but they were engaged. And he was gone for a long time. And then the one day that he was gonna be back in LA, like the one day that he was gonna be there before he flew away, she was like, I need to see you. Like, I'd love to see you. And he said, I don't wanna see you. And she was like, that's weird. So she showed up anyway to his house, because she had a key, because they're engaged. And this is what she reported in her book.
00:44:28
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She said, on the one day that he was back in l LA, he said he didn't want to see me, but since I had a key, I let myself into his house. I walk in, go downstairs, and guess what little girl is sitting cross-legged on the couch listening to music? It rhymes with S'Mariana Schmonde.
00:44:49
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And then, ah Big Sean and Naya break up, and immediately, Ariana and Big Sean are dating, immediately. So this is not the first time she's done this. It seems to be a can consistent theme in her life. all right She likes to grab a man that already is tired. All right. All right. i I hear what you're saying. But I want to get back to kind of the point of the article, which is it's not our job to dunk on the personal lives of these people.
00:45:23
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Like why should this be relevant? Well, I actually disagree. I don't think that's the point of the article. Okay. Well, no I think the point of the article is why are we personally hurt and offended and demand an apology? Okay, I think it's she actually says it's reasonable that we treat celebrities with a certain amount of criticism because they represent to us the ideal. right And so we put more responsibility on them than we do on people that we meet day to day to behave with integrity and morality. So when they fall short of that, the general public is so much more critical than they would be to somebody in their day to day life.
00:46:12
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Yes. For no reason. You don't know these people. Right. They didn't do anything to you. and these things were when not yeah and and I I think it's a valid point. and i think you know
00:46:30
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so Backstory on Ariana Grande, all that can be
00:46:39
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whatever sanitized version of fact it is that's available out in the the but gossip verse, yeah it at at what level should it be relevant to us as just like... i I just like music or I just want to watch Wicked or I just want, I don't and don't give a shit. People are messy. She talks about that. She she talks about, she's like right she talks about um well, ah like there was such a public uproar about this, but if you look at the work that she's produced
00:47:19
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during and after this uproar, there was no hit to her success. She did just fine. So people could say as much as they'd like about their judgments on her, but they're still streaming her music and going to see Big It in the background. well like yeah I mean, in these cases, it's like,
00:47:43
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the home wrecker stuff. like No one really wants to get into the weeds on those kinds of ... We can turn the page and go, it's not just for women. We're we're going to move on to another example. but um
00:48:02
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It's different if you're just talking about ah interpersonal relationships where it gets messy and it's like you were quite the ideal from the cultural ah kind of definition of it. You can use terms like homewrecker like they like she she mentioned in here about Ariana Grande but The reality is, Ariana Grande is a freaking superstar.
00:48:37
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and um there's not a whole lot of blowback. no matter like yeah Whatever happened here, we don't need to know the details, but whatever happened here, she's pretty much at peak right now. Also, Taylor Swift has so many songs that she's written ah very clear of her, their songs about her cheating on her partner. They are clearly about that. Really? Okay. And her fans are like, meh.
00:49:06
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Yeah, and we're also living in a time, we're also living in a time where Diddy's in jail. So there's there's like- There are bigger fish to fry. But I think culturally there's some element of we have this instinctive reaction in terms of like our reaction to celebrities in certain situations that we homogenize it and we think like,
00:49:33
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like Initially, Ariana Grande is the same as Diddy. Until we start to understand, like no no. This is not the same thing. But there's this attempt to push it that way. yeah like it definitely is yeah So the next the next page, just just to make sure we're not being like, it's just women get a free pass and men get destroyed. I think this is a very fair presentation in in like the different examples she provides because the next one is one of our favorite people, um John Mulaney.
00:50:17
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I actually, in my in my notes for this article, I had the heading of John Mulaney and then I put immediately under it, disclaimer, we love John Mulaney in this household. We do. We're a big John Mulaney family. We love him. We're we're also big on like the idea that you can be restored as a human being multiple times. like People screw up. Whatever. It doesn't mean it's over. Honestly, I was not a fan of Ariana Grande.
00:50:48
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But then I watched her Saturday Night Live episode, yeah and then I watched Wicked. And I'm like, she's a fucking incredible performer. Extremely talented. i was I'm the same way. I actually, her music is not the case. I don't listen to her music either.
00:51:07
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but She's incredibly talented. She's incredible and wicked. That is something undeniable that her vocal talent is just incredible. You just can't deny it. I don't need to be the judge of your morality and your personal life.
00:51:28
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That's what I was thinking. I can appreciate you. like If I am disapproving of her actions in her personal life that she that is displayed publicly, that doesn't mean that I am unable to appreciate the work that she puts out. sure like I don't find those mutually exclusive.
00:51:47
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But a lot of people do. A lot of people, when the stuff with Ethan Slater came out, were like, I'm never, I'm boycotting her music. It's like, do you think she cares? Do you think that's going to get back to her? That's a crazy reaction. I just want to say this. I think that a lot of people do object and do all that stuff in a performative way. Yeah, absolutely.
Unrealistic Expectations of Celebrities
00:52:10
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It's not real. I agree. They don't. But the... They're not...
00:52:17
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purging that artist from their playlists on Spotify. And I also agree and believe that. I believe that the majority of the people that went into Barry Keogan's comments on his Instagram and said horrible things to him. Yeah, they're just full of shit. Don't actually believe that. They're just spouting. But that doesn't take away from the fact that he had to read that, you know? Well, he didn't have to. He didn't have to. He could have just chosen enough.
00:52:41
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But also there's this story that these people showed up physically at his house. Like his child's home. So some people meant that. So yeah, that's a problem. That's a real problem. Anyway, so yeah, John Mulaney. Tell us more about that. Yeah, she brings up John Mulaney and she actually quotes somebody that says that the reaction seemed unusually frantic when his divorce from his wife and his relationship new relationship became public. And they're right, it did. It was unusually frantic. but it was It was frantic in our house. i would like to I would like to add that something that she doesn't bring up is that at the the same time that the divorce from his wife and new relationship with this woman
00:53:34
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went public, also his stay at rehab, and the fact that his new girlfriend was pregnant also went public. It was all happening at the same time. Everything happened at the same time. And all of that together, forms of bad image. Certain things were like not included in the way that she described that the frantic response There was a lot to that story that was like are you fucking kidding me? It was just so shocking because there was such a polished polished and familiar Yeah, like friend like very mr. Rogers image and he presented and
00:54:14
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And and he he was the guy that had risen above all his demons, right? And it it was an intentional thing he did yeah to present that way, too. Yes, yeah of course. So when it all came crumbling down, and' I don't know if it was an unreasonable reaction to be like, oh my god. I don't think it was unreasonable. This is somebody who led with these yeah stories. And I mean, yeah, I agree with you. it's like This one is like all of the backlash and the the like the what people were saying, yeah totally valid. it was It was a lot of shock. like and We never would have expected this from him. so But I do think there's an element of this that is, a as she, I think, says as she wraps things up, it's like this,
00:55:08
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um This weird element of celebrity, like how we view, like it's a one-way intimacy is really what it- Ooh, ooh, I have a quote that she says. Yeah. I think it's, ooh, I think best line in the entire article. Yeah. Celebrity, the publicness of a figure relies upon delusion masquerading as recognition. Yep.
00:55:39
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God, that's bars. it's that yeah like That's really good. So when we get access to people who are famous, we get to know a bunch about them. They don't know shit about us. It's so one dimensional.
00:55:57
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um And your least favorite person in the world, Joe Rogan, has actually said this. like It's very weird to be a public person where you're youre like putting yourself out there for 15 hours a week. Everybody knows exactly who you are. You don't know anybody. yeah So someone randomly comes up to you They know so much about about you and you know nothing about them. And it's a weird, weird thing. And it's like, there's no judgment one way or another about that. It's just like a trippy thing. yeah um And I thought that that's a really interesting thing to note about that. Like that's, that's how celebrities live. yeah So I believe sometimes
00:56:58
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celebrity affairs are just concocted things to get in the press. oh yeah I think sometimes people take um issues that people are having and they hear about it and they spin stories. And those people don't deserve to have these stories told about them at all. But you kind of like, that's the check you write when you become famous. I was just about to say that. I was just thinking like, I struggle a lot with with this idea because I see both sides. I'm like, right okay.
00:57:42
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yeah that probably sucks you know people come up to you and feel that they're deserved something from you right that sucks and people stalk you and show up at your house and people are taking pictures of you when you're just sitting eating dinner with your friends it's shitty yeah that must
Millennials and Responsibility
00:58:00
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be horrible stupid however to a certain extent you chose this to a certain extent you knew what you were getting into. yeah For a certain extent, you wanted this. And we all live lives on smaller scales than you, and we get shit on at smaller scales. And you chose a bigger scale life, and the shit is at a bigger scale. But the reward is also at a bigger scale. You're right. yes's I think that's a great way of describing it. it's like
00:58:33
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you need to just accept that you have to deal with bigger shit? It just is that way. you You have to deal with bigger shit and so you get... I think that's a... You get bigger reward for it. Like, that it's just, I feel it's so unreasonable when people complain about, like, people are mean to me. It's like, yeah.
00:58:51
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People are mean. like everybody People are mean. People are mean to you because you have 400 million people following you on Instagram. Just more people see you. Some more mean people have an opportunity to be mean to you. They're going to notice when the one hair is out of place. Exactly. Boo hoo. What do you want us to do about it? All right. Well, that was- I think we solved that pretty well. Yeah.
00:59:17
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I did like the article. I would highly recommend. It's a quick read. yeah We probably spent more time on it than... Oh, we definitely spent more time on it. If you want to read it, it's really a good one. Check it out in... In our description. It's in this episode description. It will be linked. It's okay. We know it's... We're getting long. We know this is a long one, guys. We like to hear.
00:59:44
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And this one is my article, which means I'm about to become very old and... Very yelling at clouds. Very... No, actually, this the the the good thing about this article is I don't have to yell at clouds. The clouds of names. i get Yeah, I get specific people to yell at. yeah so this article um again we're going really highbrow this is from the Wall Street Journal um it's called what happens when a whole generation never grows up I don't know let's figure it out I mean I'm living it right now so um the the premise is basically like all these poor
01:00:38
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um Student debt addled kids don't have any ability to make their way in the modern economy like wah wah wah.
01:00:55
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I have i zero sympathy for any of the people involved. right i I ranted, we we should just get into it so that my rant has context yeah because otherwise it's just dumb. let's get into it so all right um Just to be clear, this article was published ah right at the end of 2024. So we're i like we're talking about it in like January of 2025. This is not from a billion years ago. um oo This is gonna be a rough one for me. I think Rebecca will help. It's a rough one for me too. I think you'll help shave edges off um because i'm I'm gonna be mean about this. okay Go for it, Dad.
01:01:54
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This article is essentially talking about how people in their 30s, an increasing proportion of people in their 30s are failing in the current economy.
01:02:11
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and
01:02:15
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my old man shouting at cloud perspective is, well, fucking do better. Do better. like yeah yeah That's my opinion too. you could You could make different choices. You could be different. Yes, yes. i buy Okay, here's what my opinion was.
01:02:34
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First of all, I think they picked the lamest motherfuckers to interview. Yeah, they they really did. They went, which like they were dumb shit can we pick to interview and make them look dumb? You want to talk about Cody? Yeah, I would love to talk about Cody. I'd love to talk about Cody.
01:02:51
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Cody. What is he, like 39 or something? No, he's 38. 38. Oh, so sorry. Cody's 38. So sorry. Where did he live? 38. He lives in New York City. Yeah, he lives in Brooklyn. He lives in NYC, the city of dreams. He's a single man. He's a single man. He lives with three roommates. He's thriving.
01:03:12
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i'd love I'd love to present his backstory in the same way this article presents it, oh because the way they laid it out, when they gave me the final piece of information, I went out loud, left. Truly. like A true laugh out loud. No, it it gave you... Okay, so the article is fine. It's written... it's I feel like it's written to generate exactly the response we are providing you.
01:03:41
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here, ah but ah it there is sort of like the the jump scare at the end that that tells you like, oh no wonder Cody's a fuck up.
01:03:57
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OK, so tell us, Rebecca. OK. Walk us through it. Let me walk you through this. And by the way, Cody isn't the only one in the article. There are a couple of 30-something year olds, millennials, that that they interview. And like they don't only discuss, they have quotes from these people.
01:04:16
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who Their quotes are Don't make them look good. like in in like It's not just quotes that I pulled out of context. It's in any context. These are bad. You sound like a child. It's insane it's crazy. okay But let's talk about Cody because we actually begin this article with Cody.
01:04:38
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and We talked about how poor Cody, he's 38. He lives with three roommates. He can't afford his life in New York City. The city of dreams. He has multiple jobs to try to afford. He has as many people do. They have to have side hustles to afford to live these days. And we talk about how it was really hard for him because he graduated high um college. Here we go. He graduated college in two.
01:05:05
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bad economy. And he was just... Oh, poor Cody. He was just flabbergasted that his double major of English in history didn't land him a killer job. In New York City. I read his double major of English in history and I went, ha! Are you duff? You fucking moron.
01:05:29
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Was so mad so I'm gonna just introduce the whole like I Look, I can't wait to to the end to to bring this up like though though the entire Story Across I think it's three different people Yeah, three or four. Yeah, there are four different people about how awful the economy and their lives are and how hard it is to be um to grow up in the the modern world. ah This is all about these people have a sense of entitlement. Like they deserve shit that they did nothing.
01:06:21
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to receive. so but So many times this article talks about, like not not this article, this article quotes these people talking about, I feel like I'm just waiting around for my life to happen. I'm like, you are. Go make your fucking life. You and are waiting around. It's so amazing. How do you think life works? These are the worst people on the planet. Ugh, they're so annoying. There are so many people who have harder lives.
01:06:50
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and are doing a better job. like okay so they interview this woman who's like thirty five or six or something and she's been living with her parents since look more than that i think since she graduated college like she graduated college in twenty eighteen and moved back in with them right And they interviewed her parents and and quote her parents who talk about like, well, we don't want her to feel like she has to just get a job that will help her live. We want her to get a job that she likes.
01:07:23
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and If she needs to wait for that to come around, we're okay with that. It's like you created the worst type of human. Okay, Captain Enablement. That's great. This person will never contribute to society. In the article, well done they included a specific picture of this 30-something-year-old woman.
01:07:47
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wallpaper in the bedroom that she sleeps in she because it's a unicorn. It's her childhood bedroom. She's been like the bedroom she was like waking up to at age 10. She's still oh and by the way she when she ah when she moved in she had a fiance and they moved in together.
01:08:11
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And then it just didn't work out. I can't imagine why. Yeah, they don't give us any information about it. I can't imagine why that didn't work out. ah And so they're no longer engaged. well And she also says...
01:08:24
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The idea of redecorating feels like like such an admittance that I'm going to be here for a while. You've been there for 10 years. That event is is in your rear view. Get rid of the unicorn. Maybe offer to buy the house from your parents at some point. Can we can we go back to Cody though? Yeah, can we big please? because there's The way they talk, oh my gosh, okay. did Did we miss the fact that Cody turned into a lawyer? We did. I'd love to tell you the way that they report the way, okay, I'd love to tell you how they report the way that he told them yes about law school. yeah He told them, oh my gosh.
01:09:12
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oh These are not sympathetic characters, folks. He told them that he graduated, again, let me remind you, with a double major in English and history. In, like, 2008, graduated with that, was shocked and dismayed to find that there wasn't a job waiting for him out there, and to literally, he said this, wait out the labor market He went to law school. Because what the world needs now is more lawyers. And then he finished law school and graduated with a ton of student loans. No shit. And went, wait, hang on, what? Wait, now I have to get a job still? And also I have multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt? Cody. Cody.
01:10:06
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I'm sorry, you missed the... You might just be dumb, my dude. You might just be stupid. Maybe instead of trying to make a life in New York City, go to Pennsylvania. Oh my gosh, move! But yeah, Cody's... well, Cody's not my favorite. None of the people featured in that article are my favorite.
01:10:29
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ah
01:10:32
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The real story here, folks, is that like there's a huge chunk of our population who should be functioning human beings, should be fully educated and developed people.
01:10:52
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who are delivering fuck all. Absolutely zero. To the economy and to their communities and to the society. And they're blaming it on everything else but but themselves. Yes. And it's infuriating.
01:11:09
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it's Yeah, it blows my mind. Okay, i would like I would like to talk about this concept of quote-unquote growing up because that's what this article is about. Yeah, know and we talked about it. We talked about it in episode five. Yeah, a couple minutes ago. Because we do these episodes like like really we're really on like a real live fire. We've been, that was like what, four or five hours ago? Yeah, something like that. We really fire them out.
01:11:33
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um One of the people in this article, I don't remember who, because I don't like them enough to remember, um mentioned that they they feel like, I'm pretty sure actually it's Unicorn Girl, I'm pretty sure it's her, she mentioned that she feels like she's waiting, like I said this before, waiting around for her life to start, or like waiting around for for her to feel like an adult. like She says at one point in the article, they quote her saying, I still feel like a kid.
01:11:57
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yep I find it like it makes me so angry when people, especially millennials, have this perspective on growing up like it's a passive process. right It just happens. like it happened If you wait around long enough. I'll figure it out. When it happens to me, I'll know. Not even I'll figure it out. It'll happen.
01:12:21
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ah No, no, no. This takes work. You yeah have to work at growing up. It's a it's hard. Yeah. and if Messy, too. It's messy. You mess up so much. There's so many mistakes and that's how you learn and that's how you grow up. And if you're not doing that and you're just waiting for it to happen to you, you're going to get a child. i learned love I love how you're reflecting on this because I think it it like in my mind as the old man yelling at cloud, it distills down into we're looking at a bunch of people who are well beyond the stage of try fail, try fail, try fail.
01:13:11
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there They're at a point, and it's not all of that age group. They're like, there's plenty of people who are fucking crushing yeah that have gotten through this. But there is a certain subset of people that are so afraid to fail that they just sit in their comfort zone. there's never a try And for the first time in American culture,
01:13:41
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there is an opportunity to just chill out in mom and dad's bedroom or use excuses like, did you know there was a global pandemic? All these things are providing an excuse for people to not be who, it's it's not about us, it's not about the rest of us, it's about them.
01:14:07
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It's an excuse that
Growing Up and Overcoming Failure
01:14:10
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allows them to be less than they should be. Yes. And you talk to any of these people, it's in this article, they're miserable. They're they're not happy. It's not a good life. Right.
01:14:21
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So it's frustrating. It's both. It's pity in all of its forms. Like I pity you because it who you are sucks. Yeah. Like it must be miserable to live in your head. Right. It must be so horrible being you. Right. But at the same time, there's a little bit of empathy to be like you like I don't have a ton of empathy, I'll be honest. I don't have a ton of empathy. I look around at other people who are like, guys, the world is really bad out there. I just, I don't know if I want to get a job. The world is really bad out there. I'm like, yeah, we all know that. You think people who are still trying don't know that?
01:15:14
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We know the world is bad out here. What's the alternative? yeah What's the solution? What's your solution? To sit and do nothing? I'm not willing to accept that. right and that's weird I do that. I don't see it enough from the group of people who are complaining about the economy or complaining about... Do you think people Like people in the Great Depression in 1929, 30, 30, 33, 34, like almost 100 years ago, did they spend time like bitching about the economy? Did the did they go, I don't know if I can get a house. I'm gonna sit in my parents' house for the rest of my life. No, you know what they did?
01:16:12
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they found whatever work they could find and they like they survived. The solution is you you just like you you grind until there's an opportunity and then you... Or I don't know if I necessarily subscribed to that idea. i I also look with a lot of disdain on people who all they talk about is how much they're working. yeah And I'm like i'm not saying it that way so you don't like, I find a lot more respect for people who are like, the world sucks, I feel like crap all the time, but I'm gonna build something that I can be proud of yeah and that I can be happy in, even if it's just in this box that I built. But I'm at least gonna try to build something.
01:16:57
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The idea, that's what i meant people who the grind yes people who have that drive and passion even when things feel like it's all falling apart to be like,
01:17:11
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I'm not gonna just sit back. yeah I'm gonna work hard keep going takeck to take care of like the people I love, the people in my circle. i In this moment when things are really awful, if I can't see any hope out there, I'm gonna look in and I'm gonna say,
01:17:34
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I'm going to work my ass off to take care of this. yeah i think that's The stuff that's right around me. I think that's the most reasonable approach. yeah So it's not like the brotastic. like You just gotta to get out there and grind and you can make it happen. It's like no, no. But you do have to have an understanding that if you get served a shit sandwich and you don't want to eat a shit sandwich, you better figure out how to put... Make a different goddamn sandwich. How do I go get ham? I don't want shit. I want ham on my sandwich. Okay, i will go get it. Go get ham. You don't have to be a hero to go get ham for your sandwich. You just need to decide, I don't have to accept a shit sandwich.
01:18:28
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And I think you have to decide, I don't have to accept this. And I think you also have, I think that first part people are really good at. And I think the second part where they go, and nobody is gonna fix this except me. I get to be the one that does this. I can't just out loud complain about a shit sandwich and wait for somebody else to bring me a ham sandwich. I have to go get one.
01:18:51
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It makes me crazy. Okay, to close this out, I'm not on a happy note. yes wow we're yeah we yeah we were're We're going on full rant mode here, sorry guys. We went off, I'm so sorry. But on the floor that I work at in the chemistry building.
01:19:08
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There's a professor who she keeps her door open. She always has incense lit. So you're walking through these cold chemical halls with the smell of like acetone and ethyl acetate in your nose. yeah You walk by and it's just like this beautiful like waft gorgeous scent. I love it. I love walking by her.
01:19:28
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But she also has- That's a person I want to talk to in that context. But also, she has all of these posters and things on the outside of the walls around her door. And one of them is a sign. And usually, posters like this don't get me. I hate the cliche cheese and stuff. But this one says, if you want something you've never had, you have to do something you've never done. And I'm like,
01:19:58
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That's good in science-y. Yeah, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Why would I sit around doing the same stuff I've done and expect something else to happen? Right. Oh, yeah. That's the old definition of insanity. Insanity. Yeah. Yeah. So I found that extremely inspiring. I love walking by it every day. I like that. That's... Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, it's no... It's a little trite, but... No, Albert Einstein, like... I like it a lot, though.
01:20:27
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I think we have we saw I was just about to say I think we fix everything actually I'm not so I feel like yeah, you're welcome guys Sorry if we were a little harsh. No, you're
Episode Reflection and Closing
01:20:40
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welcome that you live in the utopia that we created. Yeah, hey and also um We actually don't hate Rachel Wolff who wrote this article for the Wall Street Journal. Props to you. Well done. Good article. I feel like Cody and the rest of them might be upset with Rachel. Yeah, I think she hates them though. I'm pretty sure she hates them. I think she put them out there in the right way. She showed up at that woman's, sorry, that woman's parents' house and went,
01:21:15
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Actually, let's get a shot of the wallpaper, too. Yeah. Rachel hates these people. Rachel's like, I'm writing for the Wall Street Journal. What the fuck are you doing? What are you doing? All right, well, we'll be back in, I mean, it's going to be tomorrow, right? I mean, or next week. Oh, are we pushing you tomorrow? I thought we were going to do it. Or in four weeks or in six weeks. I don't know. All right. I don't need your sass.
01:21:44
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I don't need We're happy to have had the time to do this. It's holy shit. It's an hour and a half. My apologies. We're sorry. And God, if you're still here with us. Thanks for being here. You're a real homie. We will see you next time. And we love you so much.