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Episode 14 - The Value of Places
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This week we take the pod into the wild to talk about the value of places. It's a bit of a bumpy ride but we still think there are some nuggets of gold in the chaos. We may even have some special surprise guests ;) Enjoy!
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Episode Timing and Milestones
00:00:11
Speaker
Hello, Rebecca. Hi, Dad. And hello, shallow friends. And welcome to episode 14. 14, guys. Of the shallow end. This is the perfect timing to have our 14th episode, because somebody just turned 14 yesterday. Oh, that's right. Well, I had to think about that for a minute. like Bad Dad Alert. What are we talking about? My youngest brother turned 14 yesterday. We had a 14th birthday in the home. were know All right, and before we get into where the hell are we? I don't know if our audio only listeners can already tell. and something Yeah, I mean, I think there's probably already some some questions happening. But and and before we talk about our topic, I just wanted to know whether you had any notes from the last couple of episodes. Did you did you want to talk about any of of the feedback that we have? Well, I don't know if this is
00:01:07
Speaker
um feedback that other people have given us.
Reflecting on Content Direction
00:01:11
Speaker
I think it's feedback that our own brains have told us ourselves because you and I are very self-examining and self-critical and we both on our own time realized that we had kind of sunk into a all i pattern. I would call it a trap. Trap? I don't know. Trap makes it sound like it's negative because I don't think that What ah we were actually doing was like bad itself. i'm Okay, let's talk about what we're talking about. What we're talking about is we have gotten into this pattern of just recommending stuff, like talking about other stuff. as our way of producing our own media. Like our conversations just center centered around other people's art. And that's fun. Yeah, I mean, I feel like we had we had we had fun doing it and we believe in the things we were saying. But then when when you start to see like four out of the last five episodes are just recommendations. Yeah. Yeah. That's not really what this was supposed to be. Yeah. Wasn't wasn't the intended purpose of the podcast. Yeah.
00:02:24
Speaker
And so I'm kind of happy that we're where we are and we're going to talk about what we're going to talk about because we're getting we're breaking out of that. Yeah, we're breaking the mold. By going back to our roots. The source of of it all. So there's there's a bunch of reasons why this is a very special epi episode.
Recording on Independence Day
00:02:45
Speaker
there Yeah, that's true. This is our first attempt at a truly remote recording. I don't know if you could tell. There's some chaos going on. Yeah, and we're not in our home. We're not in our home, although there's sometimes chaos in our home. That's true. But tonight we are not in our home. We are actually recording on July 4th.
00:03:08
Speaker
Happy birthday, America. Yeah, Murica. As fireworks are about to start and we are not watching fireworks, we're going to make the fireworks happen. um Yep.
Origin of the Podcast Idea
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Speaker
Also, this is a special episode because we're actually recording from the birthplace of the shallow end. Yes. the The place that we, actually you, birthed this idea out of your brainworm. Like Zeus. Like, yeah like sometimes that happens. Not always, but sometimes I have good ideas. You having ideas? Yeah, every now and then.
00:03:47
Speaker
Okay, also we have to get this out of the way. Yeah, we have to talk about our wine because this is something that we bought specifically.
Wine Tasting and Opinions
00:03:53
Speaker
Yeah, we we got this tonight here. I don't know. Chateau blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. It's something in French. It's a bourbon thing. It's a bourbon thing? Not a bourbon thing. It's a confusing thing. I know. It's a Bordeaux thing. That's the word I meant. I have Biden-style aphasia. No, it's a Bordeaux. ah It's a Bordeaux. It's fine.
00:04:19
Speaker
Yeah, it's fine. It's too young. It is. Yeah, it's a little, like, light and watery for me. Yeah. For a red wine. But I'm enjoying it. That's okay. We'll get into other things. Yeah, absolutely.
Recording Location and Humor
00:04:31
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It'll be fine. Oh, yeah. We are on our last glasses of this bottle. Yes. We pre-gamed the podcast. And let's just call it out. We have an unofficial sponsorship from Bodhi's tonight. This is Bodhi's Chop House in East Grand Rapids, Michigan. Please don't stalk us and don't kill us. Don't stalk us or kill us or do anything mean to us. Just do nice things for us. And if you are in West Michigan, you should come to Bodhi's because it's a great spot
Significance of Places in Personal Stories
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amazing. yeah
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But we we're in the center of East Grand Rapids, which is about to celebrate our nation's birthday. Yeah. And we're going to sit here and drink and chat, drink and chat about what's our topic about. This is fun that I get to introduce it because normally, first of all, normally you introduce topics, but also you came up with this one. I know, but that's why I want you to. um We're going to talk about the value of places because
00:05:34
Speaker
This place is so special and important in so many different ways. Especially to us and especially in this situation. Right. That we thought it would be a topic that we could expand upon very easily. Like I i think you and I are both home home bodies. So the places that we choose to spend our time in or are valuable for a reason to us. Right. So hopefully we're going to talk about what makes our favorite places special yeah and and learn from each other. We are both homebodies. That's a really good point. Yeah. It might be a really short episode. Yeah. We just home like body I started thinking about home and like there's this phrase that you and mom say to each other. Bed is best. And it has only continued to prove itself true in my life. yeah Cooler than the other side of the pillow? like I like almost always would rather be in bed. yeah i
00:06:44
Speaker
Is that a sign of appreciation for a place or just laziness? slide Could be both. Who can say? Another of your mother's favorite. All right, well, um yet again, this was an episode where I was like, well, this is one I'd like to plan for.
00:07:06
Speaker
And then I showed up with no nothing prepped. No notes. I think what we should start with is talking about you like the growth of Bodies turning into a special yeah place for us. yeah Because it when when we say that the idea of doing a podcast together was birthed here, that's a literal like it truly yeah happened across a dozen or more conversations at the bar that's right over there. yeah
00:07:41
Speaker
and and so naturally this becomes a special place for us yes because we know we can always come here and have these unique conversations, real
Bar Conversations and Connections
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conversations. we like we We wind up on topics that we never would right discuss at home or at the dinner table. I was just thinking, like it' see like when you tell people, like oh, my dad and I, we hang out at a bar a lot. like they have but People think one thing. But like I feel like people, at least in my generation, when you go to a bar, you're not going to have a conversation with somebody. you know like you're going for like
00:08:20
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the thrill of being around the high energy of other people and the chatter and the movement and busyness of being out. And I would even say as a distraction from having to have those real emotions and thoughts. But we go to places like this yeah for the sole purpose of having those. like how we get like we're We're coming here because we're like, did today sucked. Let's go talk and drink in comfortable chairs. I think it's interesting because it doesn't matter whether I come alone.
00:08:57
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yeah Or with you, or with you and Maggie, or with mom and you and Maggie, or just with mom. like It doesn't matter what subset of people are here, the same thing always happens. There's always really good conversation. mean you just You just talked about pre-gaming. We just had a great conversation at the bar. And it's like, that doesn't happen anywhere else. I don't get to get to know somebody at that level. Just like a random person that you happen to sit next to. Right. Like suddenly you're having because that that's very true. Bodies is the only place that I have come and was actually
00:09:39
Speaker
like a stranger next to me immediately I mean it could have to do with they pour some strong drinks but I've had like soul conversations with 50 year old women so many times like when I say countless I really mean it it's like I couldn't count how many times it's happening and it's amazing every time. So what does that say about this place in other people's time? Well I was gonna say do you go I at least can say why this place is so unique well to me because I feel like most restaurants um advertise themselves as being like
00:10:23
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When you're here, you should be comfortable. We want you to be like feel welcomed, and like you can stay as long as you want. But that's never the reality of being in a restaurant. right You feel rushed, you feel like a number, and just like a cash cow. you know like They want you in and out, right so they can rotate as much as possible.
Hospitality at Bodhi's
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But honestly, when we come here, yeah like the bartenders and the servers are like just want to hang out with you like haven't you they want to chit chat like they really do enjoy what they're doing and do it to talk to people it's true hospitality it really is it's not I mean it's it's obviously still commercial like there is a business happening here right but it's true hospitality and like I mean we were talking about
00:11:12
Speaker
Like one of the bartenders and I just went golfing last week. Like it's real relationship. It's not just like transactional. And you met you met this dude through coming here. like It's not like a previous relationship. I never knew him before. but Yeah. And that's when people get to be themselves here and they they work their tails off and you're working here. Yes. But it's just great quality people, great quality product. And then they're allowed to be themselves and build relationships with a bunch of people and you see people walk in here and it's like every once in a while people will walk in and then like the staff lights up and they're like, yay, it's great to see you! I worked here for like maybe a month. It might have been less than a month. You had a stern talking to you at the end.
00:12:05
Speaker
i didn't have oh Perhaps you're not cut out for this pace. Yes. that That was what it ended up being. It was like with my physical limitations. And you were. yeah think it was That was fair. This life is not like this. The the difference. And this speaks to Bodhi's also. The difference was this was a job for me in between a career. Right. And for the people most of the people that work here, this is their career. Right. Like this is how they pay the bills. Right. so
00:12:37
Speaker
These are like restaurant people. Right. And I was like, I couldn't be a host and make some money before I like go back to school. Like it was a different mindset also. Outside of the physical stuff, you know. Yeah, that makes sense. But this is the only place I've ever worked like because I've worked in a couple of different restaurants. This is the only restaurant I've worked at that every single employee that I spoke to had that like, no, this is my job. Like this is what I'm doing for life. And I give a shit. And I love it. Like these people. live off of it. They get energy from it. It's crazy. I mean, we're homebodies. they're yeah They're not. I mean, some of them probably are, but they just pour themselves out every time they're here. so I love it. All right. I forgot where we were. I don't know where we were either. I lost our string. Help. I'm kind of done with the line, too. Are you done with the line? I'm kind of anxiously looking forward to the next thing.
00:13:35
Speaker
We're gonna do cocktails next, which is exciting. Well, we've we' knocked off one of my check boxes of place, I think we've talked about. I mean, the commercial for Bodies is over now. You can pay us at any time. um I think what as I was thinking about the significance of places, we've kind of talked about it already a little bit, the idea of home and what is what is home in different senses. and I ah feel like it's an opportunity for us to talk about
00:14:15
Speaker
What has home been over the course of our lives and what has it meant to us? Because that place, sometimes it's a real place, like a a specific structure. Physical location. And sometimes it's just an idea, but like when I was growing up, I didn't really have a big affinity towards any physical place because i there was a lot of chaos. Yeah. And ah you know as an adult, I've had very strong affinity towards a couple of the places that I've lived. And I definitely don't have that towards the place I live right now. And yet, still, bed is best. Yes. so
00:15:00
Speaker
no It's just that I would like to hear what your yeah yeah experience of of home has been. so this is I love that you brought this up because this is something that I am only recently my My experience has changed, but it was the same for a long time. So while I was, I think it's, this is an experience most people have, but I went to college and you don't really have a a home at that point. Your stuff is in one place, but the place that you feel like is home is in another. Right.
00:15:35
Speaker
and why it's It's just tough. And then i I did that for two years where like I never really felt like I had a home. like You're just always feeling like you have to pick up and move at any moment, especially in college, because you always feel like, at least for me, I was only in one place for a year at most. And then I had to move everything to a different spot. So I never felt like I had roots anywhere. And then COVID hit. And then I moved back to my family home.
00:16:07
Speaker
for like a year two years. Yeah. And then I transferred. I was going to say colleges for for two years. humble Wow. We also moved at the same time. COVID hit and was it right before COVID hit or right after it was during COVID that we sold that we sold the house. We sold the house during COVID. And so while we were selling the house, it didn't feel like our house anymore. Because everything was shit. like they were It was staged when we had showings. We had to set everything up like we didn't live there and then leave for hours on end. We had to bake cookies like we lived there. We baked cookies so it smelled like people lived there still. Which was honestly the most insulting part of the whole thing.
Personal Sense of Home
00:16:54
Speaker
Because my job was setting up the kitchen and it was like, what are these plates? We've never eaten all of these plates.
00:16:59
Speaker
it worked okay it worked i mean we sold it but by the way it's advertising so let's not it did suck though let's not but it was crush on it too much it didn't it felt less and less like home yeah as we printed up i get more and more for somebody else to have you know they want to blind yeah and then we moved and the new house like still like didn't feel like my house, because it was like, well, my parents live here now, and my younger siblings live here, right but I don't feel like I live here, like I sleep here, I guess, but like this isn't my house, this is my parents' house. right
00:17:38
Speaker
and then I transferred to a different college, which is where I live now. And I've lived in the same spot now for two years, going on three years. And finally, right I'm at the point where I'm like, if I think of home, I think of my apartment. right yeah And that is something that is new. like with it like It's been like five years that I haven't felt like I've had a home. Well, it's interesting because you talk about like I think there's a natural transitionary period as someone goes from living at home to college. Yes. And there's like that bounce back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And it it made me think about like my own experience going to college fairly soon after I went to college.
00:18:25
Speaker
my parents sold their home and went to Florida. she So I had no home that's it to go back to. Hard and fast break right there. Oh, OK. You are. like Let me put some roots down here, I guess. But I think that those experiences, like you do I think it's natural to have that transitionary kind of phase where it's like, no, you haven't built anything up. But now you've been in your place for two years. like you said, going on three. But after this year, you're gonna have... I have to make decisions about what I'm gonna do, yeah. So it's just interesting. Tell me how... I mean, the home that you live in now, it's it's an apartment. It is, yeah. So when we are talking about the topic being the places that are important to us,
00:19:26
Speaker
Just this little two bedroom apartment. God, I love it so much. off Yeah. like It doesn't really matter how fancy it is. No, it's not like it's an old, like things are breaking. and say I turn on my AC and my whole apartment smells like a cave because the AC unit is so old. It's full of like mold and like oh like dirt. and that like I know that there's a creature that lives in there because I hear it moving and my cats freak out. In your ACU? Yes, I hear it skittering around in there. all different um But like, I love that place. but But also, I think I was able to connect with it more because when I was moving in, I was like, this isn't, I'm out in a year because it's a dorm and then somebody else will move in. Right.
00:20:14
Speaker
This is my spot in this city where I don't know what it got to be. So I felt more free to nest because it felt more permanent. And you got your kittens right away, right? Yeah, I did. Yeah, I never knew that apartment without having my kittens. Right. So I also had that. That's right. But yeah, so I'm just like, is it our Is it the space that is important or is it our brains that are identifying with the sense of like, it's the experience? I think it can be both. So I think for my current apartment, which we call the nest. That's the nest. Because she's like up on the top floor of the building. And there's a big tree right by my balcony. She feeds squirrels by hand. They come up to my door and tap on my glass door when they're hungry until I come out and give them a cashew. And her cats love this. They hate it. They want to eat them so bad. Tell the story about the workers in your apartment this week. Wait, okay, I have a couple. No, I want to talk about your cats.
00:21:34
Speaker
Oh, okay, so Monday,
00:21:40
Speaker
a bunch of workers descended on my apartment. um to like It's just like an apart like a unit refresh kind of thing, so they're replacing like lights and like the heat register, like just like a bunch of like updating. Yeah. um and like we're Showing they care. They care so much about each of us individually. Half of my apartment didn't have hot water for like three weeks. No, it's a great spot. Sounds like home to me. They were all, I mean, it's like six or seven or eight adult men, like working men in my apartment as a single woman, like I'm living like alone. It freaked me out at first, but they were all super nice, super respectful, like left me alone most of the time because I was in the apartment the entire time they were working, but they mostly left me alone, which is great.
00:22:30
Speaker
um But the first couple of men that got there, one of them caught a glimpse of one of my cats and went, oh, hey, Kitty. Whoa. That's a big ass cat. And I was like, excuse me. What did you say about my son? Like I was offended on his bath. Why? That's rude. Big ass cat. He's trim. He's fit. He's not fat. He's not. He's a big cat though. He's got some broad shoulders. I mean. He's big boned.
00:23:02
Speaker
just saying anything. Oh, the fireworks are happening. The fire. It's 1005. The fireworks are going on to Michigan where we set fireworks off at 10 o'clock. Happy freedom. Mirka. Fuck yeah. fuck down mar um But so I think for my apartment, it's not the actual physical location but it's the fact that it was a new city kind of like a fresh start in my mindset in the moment right i was able to like
00:23:40
Speaker
make it a home. But I do think like our last house that our family lived in, like that house has an energy.
Emotional Connection to Family Home
00:23:51
Speaker
That physical location i wouldve touched us. And still sits there. so That's a good point. like like When you move out of the current apartment, you're You're not gonna you you might have a sense of nostalgia every once in a while for like oh that was a great spot yeah to go to school and have that but I won't yearn for the physical location right in that old house I will when we've talked about this we will We will always want To go back there. Yes Here we go the po-po
00:24:30
Speaker
because camera learned about Something's going on right around the corner. How fun. Cool. We're all just celebrating the fourth of July, guys. We might be a live crime podcast. Hey, listen. I did call it out earlier. Tell them about the thing you saw. This is totally off our topic with this team. Totally off topic. But as we're sitting there pre-gaming, getting ready. Oh. People are running. We have lots of people running. That makes me nervous.
00:25:05
Speaker
um I saw five people. People are running and filming? I saw five people with backpacks go towards that direction. Look, you can see that you cand see the lights in the background. There's a police car right in front of the window. right And there's a fire truck now. um And there were five people that were adult human beings with full backpacks walking without strollers, without children, without spouses, like very like in a line marching in a line corner yeah across the window. And I was like, hmm, that's interesting. That's freaky. Yeah.
00:25:46
Speaker
i would get going on Let's pause because I want to put an order in for a cocktail. Hey y'all. Hey, hey, we got we've got new drinks. Well, I still am finishing my wine. I know, but but and we do have an update on the emergency situation that transpired here. Yes. Real-time podcast blog. We hope the gentleman across the street is doing well. um We think maybe a few too many hours out on the boat today. Yeah, so apparently... He kind of just went...
00:26:21
Speaker
Somebody, somebody across the street at one of the restaurants across the street was passed out on the table. and so So they had to call the police and so the firetruck in the ambulance. Yeah, we had two two police cars, a firetruck, and eventually an ambulance. yeah Which just drove away. Yeah, which just drove away. yeah so Probably with the gentlemen. All is well. ye We hope that gentlemen is okay. And we're now approaching overstaying our welcome. and This welcome is poppin'. okay so we were talking about the value of home and i'd love we were talking about um this old house yeah that our family had that we at least half of our family
00:27:08
Speaker
I would say over half, yeah um have this this connection to, like deep this drop. Deep affection for this like physical thing. like like The way that Maggie and I talk about it is it feels like um Like a mother. It's very, it's very like like part of the family, like like nurturing, like like it ri you in wrapping you in her arms, like the old, you know, like i love that in house it cro it's It's got its quirks and creaks and flaws, but it fits us as a family so well and it like adjusted to fit us and we adjusted to fit her and it was just right, you know?
00:27:54
Speaker
I love that way of describing it because that that resonates with how I feel about it, that I wouldn't have been able to come up with those words. yeah army It definitely felt like I, so when we first bought that house, we did a oh little bit of work on it before we moved in and I would go to that house and just sit in the rooms while it was being worked on and just sit and kind of like soak up the energy of it it was it was more soaking up like I'm appreciating
00:28:35
Speaker
that I'm allowed to be here. What? What a gift. I And I would do that a couple times a week because I felt so lucky. Well, okay, so the way that that you and mom ended up with on this house is an unconventional path also because it wasn't
Story of Acquiring the Family Home
00:28:55
Speaker
for sale. No, it wasn't for sale. it's it's First of all, it's an old house that has very few families that have owned it since it was built. It's about a hundred years old now. We were the third family to live in it. That's crazy. Yeah. Now we haven't lived in it for five years, but
00:29:17
Speaker
It still feels like our house. Yeah, it does. But yeah, I mean, you know, it's one of these weird things where I really wanted to be in this neighborhood and mom was very happy where we were. And and. it At one point, we were actually driving back from church and she said, I don't know why it was coming up at that point, but she said, Hey, if that house ever comes available. And it was it it was right next door to people we knew from church. Yes, that's true. And so she she's like, if that one's ever available, as like i would I would move. As like a... like And I'm like, challenge accepted. But but like in in a way that was not very... like me I mean, my my mother doesn't say things unless she means it a little, but that seems like something she would say is like ah kind of like a joke.
00:30:11
Speaker
It was kind of a joke. Because that kind of house. like but then i that sounds written but then But then I asked around and I learned that the couple that owned it was like all their kids, they were older and all the kids were well past the age of like they all had their own lives and everything. And they were like, we keep at the house shut down. Like yeah it's too much for us. We're we're ready. But it wasn't listed. But it wasn't listed yet. And it wasn't a great real estate market to list. No, no. And i like, yeah, when I asked around and learned that they were thinking of listing it, this can we talk to them? and So the story I remember, I don't know if this was actually what I was told, but this is what my brain has decided is the truth, is that you and mom just like went up to their door one day. We we we had an introduction. Okay. so
00:31:04
Speaker
some like ah ah we We had a connection, a common friendship with somebody that connected us and yeah and um got us that first At least the first, the introduction of the idea the idea that there was there was somebody interested. And he wound up saying, you should just go sit go sit and talk to them. yeah go have it because And we did. That's exactly what we did. we went We just literally went and said, hey, we're the people that might be interested in the house. And they were like, oh, cool. Come on in. yeah And we sat on the
00:31:49
Speaker
the version of the back porch that existed back then. is that house so much And we had a conversation and they were such great caretakers of that home. They like they appreciated everything. yeah So the husband was a doctor. The wife was a preacher. yeah and Interesting. I didn't know that part. We had this conversation and and you know the husband was very business-like, very cordial and very welcoming, but very business-like about it. And the wife at the end of our conversation, after we were talking about like what our family is and what like what we're about and everything, she said, I have prayed to God that someone will just knock on my door and it will be the right fit. yeah Because we feel so strongly about this pain.
00:32:49
Speaker
and um Yeah. And in the end, yeah like we wound up being able to buy that house. And ask somebody that... Sorry, it's loud in here. It's getting a little rowdy. We're celebrating our country. And we're also celebrating the the end of the evening. And also alcohol. Generally gets louder. yeah
00:33:16
Speaker
And we're going to keep it all in so you experience it with us. No, I like it. It's exactly what we were. It's the energy we we were hoping for. But as somebody that's lived in that house, if I were to imagine a family that I would handpick to have it after me, it would have been our family when we moved in. Because it was ah ah a big family, like lots of kids, who will fill up the house with the youth life and life, like yeah like young family who will appreciate it for all that it is.
00:33:56
Speaker
and they that yeah that couple had raised five children in that house bought it in the like 1970 I think yeah I mean they had been there for 50 years yeah about almost 50 years like they had that house It was the family that built it, and then lived in it, and then them, and their five kids. like Those were the two things that had happened in this house that was almost 100 years old. That is special. yeah yeah And like to then learn all the history of that place, because we're talking about places, right? like How important are places? That place, they...
00:34:48
Speaker
They told us all about the different plants, like the trees they planted for different kids at different times and why those trees were the ones they chose. They told us about how the family that built the house um had all the property around it free originally and then yeah it was like their their vacation homes and the road behind you know like a block behind us was named after the three children of the original family yeah it's and it's just like those kinds of stories like i mean
00:35:27
Speaker
Glenn Howell place like whatever the subdivisions that are being made these days they don't have that sense of place no no they don't like that's what it is it's it's just like this it's a what it boils down to and honestly what this entire topic of this episode boils down to is human human connection
00:35:52
Speaker
Hey, shallow friends, it's Rebecca. I wanted to let you guys know that this is where the episode kind of takes a turn. um It's still fun. It's still interesting. Don't bail on us. But it does get loud. um We get a bunch of different people in um who want to share their opinions, and we are sitting in a bar. So it gets pretty loud at certain points. So I just wanted to give a little heads up to our headphone users. um Maybe turn it down a little bit. Maybe protect those little ears. All right. Have fun guys. Hi Are you guests? We're gonna have two guests that are joining us spontaneously right now as we are recording We which is part of the fun of this podcast joining especially when we're doing it. hey Here we go. hello Say your names
00:36:41
Speaker
Say your name, and by the way we'll have... Adam and Cheryl. Hi, welcome Adam and Cheryl. We have a very, very extensive release you'll have to sign at the end of this. Yeah, no. We have no paperwork and no legal team. Or HR. There will be 20 people that listen to this. Cheers to Adam and Cheryl. Cheers. Joining us. Cheers. Spontaneously. Okay, I have a question for you too. Yes, I'm ready for the question. So, what we have just been talking about is the idea of home. So what we were talking about was I experienced for a long time because I went to college and you know, college is weird. You don't feel like you have like a home, right? Yeah. And I've only recently felt like the apartment I live in is my home. So what do you think? Yeah, we need you guys in the in back this up so that we get if you get everybody in here. So what do you think defines to you?
00:37:30
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Home. I don't think home is a place I think it's like an experience or a memory for sure. right So like I don't think of my childhood at home but I think of like it's weird but like Adam and Chadwick his husband and Hinsdale like their house was like a home to me. Like I was very comfortable, lots of good memories there. And then they're building a home that's amazing and we're creating great experiences there. Oh, beautiful. You guys were in Hinsdale? We were. Yeah, Hinsdale, Illinois. He's an Illinois guy. I grew up in Glen Ellyn. Oh, yeah. Love Glen Ellyn. Hinsdale is so wonderful. So when we talk about places and really beautiful homes that have
00:38:15
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like They kind of like draw you in and and we and yeah yeah welcome. Did you say welcome Both probably but what I meant was like like it welcomes experiences like like these homes want things to happen here. Yeah, i want it's not just like a collection of wooden siding. It's like an energy. Yeah, and I I think him Well, I've never been so I couldn't say you should go it's beautiful it is Well,
00:38:57
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yeah i don't know how i would be able to handle that but well I mean your checkbook couldn't handle it but I would go and look at stuff and I'd get out. Oh, you think we're making money out of it? Well, after our guest appearance. Oh, yeah. Oh, here we go. Here we go. You guys are going to skyrocket us into no virality. If I put my tit out, maybe. No. that's not We do have an explicit tag, on that's but we don't need that. That's not the value of places. What? That's the topic, is the value of places. My kid is a place to send people. And it has value. It does. And I love that for you. I think this is a place for us to come here usually Fridays.
00:39:41
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yeah come on in we have another guest the life of the bartender here we go the funny thing is is like when you say home right it is truly just title up give me it yeah ready in the sense of not a place but a feeling yes and that's the distinction between house and home yeah yeah for sure yeah oh yeah So we recently moved from Hinsdale to Aida, and we've been renovating this place, and it doesn't feel like home, right? Yes, as it's happening. How long were you there? So we were only there for four years, but we had renovated, but we had also furnished and had family, and it was like this place. Yeah, you made it your own.
00:40:32
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we're We're in a place where this this house is just a project. yeah yeah Yeah Right now it's it's something that's stressful and time and money-consuming I have those experiences you haven't nested yet yeah yeah so we I would love to know for you too, because we talked at the beginning of our episode about this place specifically, because this is the birthplace of our podcast, right? He had the idea. We spent $100 million there. Right? Right. So what is it about this place that keeps you coming back? So it's Brian, Ken, Heather. Yes, right? It's the people. It is the people. It's the people. It's a community here, like 100%. I can come here by myself on a Wednesday, and I'll go with five people. Yeah, right. And you feel comfortable immediately.
00:41:23
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Like that? And know you're going to have a good time. And have crazy conversations. So we were saying like this place, every restaurant. We've never seen you here though. That's so weird. Ryan, are we regulars? That we've just missed each other. Are they more regular than we are? Yeah, that's our 50-50. Wow, guys, we're so equal. Oh my god. But we're just on a different schedule. We come in at 5.30 and leave by 8.30. Oh yeah, that's not how that works for us. Yeah, we come in at 9. We come in later and shut it down.
00:42:02
Speaker
You guys are shutting it down tonight? You guys are shutting it down with us. We shut it down in America. We shut it down because someone died across the street. In honor of his memory. That's kind of like, can we have some hope? Dad, it's a value of the place that he died. He was okay. I think he's okay. they at least look okay on the structure they drove away in an ambulance rather than a quarter spin but the ambulance wasn't like no lights or anything well when there's no lights that means that he's dead no sign of life no it or it's not that and or they got it the hospital is a block away this dude's just drunk
00:42:39
Speaker
Give him an IV for fluids and let's go home, go to the station. We could all use that, right? So true. Yeah, why don't we have that in the screen? We do! We're suburban drinkers. We are. He's a suburban drinker. And he got it from... I'll drink, I'll drink every... He influenced me. I'm like pretty much everything, but not tequila. Okay. That songs in that way played the other day. That was the only song she ever said. Well, you've influenced most of my... Drinking. Drinking tastes. That's not something I want on the phone. No, it's... You educated dad you made me this way i learned it from you I love it because I can go into situations where I'm like with people my age who are learning on the job and i'm like know each other He's my dad in real life no yeah this yeah in real life
00:43:24
Speaker
they sure dad too but he's not my dad Oh, okay. So that's so that's been what everybody calls him dad because he's he's like super responsible. Oh, he's the one that keeps everybody's also the bourbon drinker. that's Oh cool. No, I'm probably relate to him. That's also a very dad thing, right? Yeah. But we love him. I think Chadwick and I love him a lot. Yeah. Chadwick's a good guy. I think it's a great name. He's a very good guy. An amazing name. yeah so Yeah. And he's got a great striped shirt. Yes, America, America. Yeah, you guys are like red, white and blue. Oh, my gosh. Well, you should have seen the America the shirt. He was going to wear. I kind of wish he would have stopped him from that. He was going to wear it here. Yeah. Well, what was it? Yeah. Now you got a spill on the pot like crazy Walmart for. Yeah. No, he ordered it. Well, tell them about the shirt that you saw on Facebook that you were going to. Yeah, I wanted to. I almost bought a Facebook shirt.
00:44:21
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cause i'm still on facebook come'm on right we have another guest
00:44:32
Speaker
Hello, everybody. Adam, look behind you. This is our bartender, Because Ryan. They're over. Yeah. He's also our bestie. You're not in the cam, but that's OK. Yeah, that's fine. We're fine. We can't fit everybody in the cam at this point. No, we can't. We definitely can. It's just too I'm much of a party. There you go. There he is. Is this live? It's still on Facebook. not live. No, We have another guest. we're not live. We're just recording. Is this live? No.
00:44:56
Speaker
Yeah, we have zero people watching. All up in the mic. Oh, it's turning into quite a scene here. Do you want to join the pod? Come on in. Come on, Molly. Wait, say your name. look at We're not streaming, we're just recording. Hi, my name's Molly Vance. um I am a very big fan of The shallow end. That's embarrassing for us. When we have to prompt it, it's kind of a woof. Welcome to Molly. Woof. Oh, there you go. Your hair got in there. Honestly, your computer's probably getting really hot being propped up. Yeah. Oh my god. I didn't mean to eat that. Sorry. It's OK. I'm going to get exited. Turn the candle off.
00:45:40
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oh the candle was
00:45:45
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i said oh that's kind of hot Thank you for turning that off before it lit my computer on. That's very responsible of you. We appreciate that. Shout out. See you. we'll see you next time shout out to mollli for saving my computer yay um save you got it i was like the how you good she almost knocked that right onto her white
00:46:12
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We'll I love how you weren't like, it's Adam. Like, I'm honestly a little offended that when I said hi, it's Natalie, and I'm like, hey, it's Adam. When I call, I'm like, hey, see you next time. it's Cheryl, do you have? Yeah. I love it. He didn't let me type it. I said, hey, how are you doing tonight? Then you said, Molly. I was like, hey, how, Molly, how are you doing tonight? I know, but like, some people are just like that. I always call her from Kelly's office, like, hey, it's Cheryl, do you have a 605 available? 605. And then when I type it, it's like, remember though, that I said Adam. Like, it's like chiropractors appointment?
00:46:43
Speaker
Hey Adam. You guys have already had pleasantries. You had to redo them. Yeah. We run the script. We'll cut that. We'll cut that. Don't worry. I hate Molly, it's Cheryl. Yeah, you have to do like how she's like, how many? You drop the name. You drop the name. You need the whole fucking bar. Tell me. Which has happened. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I hope we overlap eventually. I think our highest number was 13 or 15. Oh, that's so annoying. I'm so sorry. I mean, I honestly, I start with like four to six and God knows. We had every stool except for like one or two. Actually, no, I kind of remember that you were like,
00:47:30
Speaker
Do you have room for like 10? No, I think we did six. And then it was like, we kept adding. No, it was like the entire bar. I think it was. And we pulled in a couple extra chairs. Yeah. I did that today because honestly, when the bathroom was closed, it's so easy. Because I had people come in here like, oh, there's three of us. And it was like, I have two spots. And I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah. We ran the two servers at work. Ryan said they had a reservation. 25. Yeah, they had 25 covers tonight. That's great. It's better. He added up with more, but also half of it. He said pour love, just wanted drinks and to sit on the floor. Dude, it's probably like total covers. I would say a hundred maximum, oh but you're making way less money than you would for a normal hundred covers. Yeah, drinks. Like our covers were like 50. Oh really? I think we started in like 34. I think it's like our starting number.
00:48:26
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that's crazy you didnt go i mean it's quiet but you know what there were more walking we knew it it was quite of it team like all's kill yeah that's so horrible But some of us love that we know you're still gonna be here for us. well we were like paul and i answered they werere like oh i if you were open and Google it No one wants to be well humor is coming out i love i love the filters She clocked out and she's giving us no real her should have no filter moli
00:49:12
Speaker
Good night. See you next time. OK. I'm going to go. Yeah. It's dad calling. Dad's dad's done. Dad's ready to go. Dad's ready to go to bed. Dad's doing angry texting now. Get the fuck over here.
00:49:31
Speaker
Oh, no. No, he's showing off. He's talking to Reba. Showing off to Reba. Oh, yeah. No, there's. It was nine dollars. Now it's for a car. Thirty six. I think you're worth thirty six dollars.
00:49:49
Speaker
What else are you going to do? Sell a beat pick? Yeah. Oh, there you go. I mean. What did I see? Somebody who, who's the famous lady that just got, somebody was like doing awful, like misogynistic. You should, could be have you are you on only fans? And she was like, uh, no, but I haven't ruled it out. Did she like and then all of a sudden she's doing feet pics It's it's it's an actress it's a famous actress oh Yeah, yeah it just came out yeah ah um I Don't remember what she's from but what are our feelings on feet pics I
00:50:35
Speaker
we have a very finance like judgment We have very strong opinions in our family. We as a family are very anti-foot. You know how some people are like pro foot? Put your feet on safe. Neutral foot and anti-foot? We're an anti-foot family. like but It's covered up. I love my girls that are hustling. like If there are freaks out there that will pay you... Who are you married to? Her mother.
00:51:01
Speaker
Cheryl, where are you? No, no, no. I mean, it's a good question. It's the right way to ask it, too. That was a beautiful way to answer. Because it could be, like, yeah. Wait, everyone in this podcast right now? Yeah, but we're asking them mine. Yeah, we're still going. Right? See, dad said this. Yeah, there you go. Dad said, gotta call. Dad called a... Dad pulled the ripcord. Dad basically said, off air. Dad comes over and turns upwards on. Yeah, yeah. Here we go. Ready? Ready? Off. There you go. Off air. Oh, we got another guest. But Emma can control the line for her. Emma, would you like to introduce yourself to the pond?
00:51:43
Speaker
I don't know if you can see me, but hello guys. My name is Emma. I work at, I don't even know if I'm fluent today, but anyway, my name is Emma. I work at Bodie's Chop House. One of my favorite places, one of my favorite people, so yeah. Oh my gosh, that's so perfect because we're talking about places. We're just talking about places and how places become important for some stupid reason. Was I supposed to be the person that showed Ryan to get a small line? No, you were not. One, two, three! I'm sorry. everybody you're not so Now stretch it out. Stretch it out. How are your hip flexors? They're okay? My faces are normal. They're never normal on pictures. You're facing? It's not really normal? I just can't. Did I see anything? Did I see anything? Yeah, you did say that. Yeah. Yeah. Look at this. Ew.
00:52:43
Speaker
well you no You could probably take a stab at it yourself. I'm cutting all of this out, by the way. No, you're not. I'm the editor. I'm cutting it all out. Look at how I'm blowing out the mic. I'm cutting it for sure. Well, you you're going to have to listen to it again. No, no, no. This is second by second, girl. You are good. It's just amazing.
00:53:04
Speaker
She's sassy and fun and I got it. Are you kidding me? I'm sassy and fun too, but I'm more dominant. Is this how to cry on this? That's so sweet. Wait, are we talking about voice levels? She's sweet, but she can be dominant? My dream girl. Wow. Wow. Dream girl, sorry. Dang. Sorry. We are going places with this. Sorry, he's given him an entire facial routine. Yeah, that's called, you know what that's called? The girlfriend effect. It's when men get a girlfriend and their skin clears up and they start dressing up. Ryan! for almost elevenmon or he Okay, so it's the white effects, you know? the wife It's the same concept. yeah okay we're a big ben you right can we go anymore honey
00:53:50
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yeah only of you feel guilty It's a dangerous question that happens. I think you should ask that guy a question about... Wait, Chadwick, come back.
00:54:03
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We need your opinion. chadbo the band Okay, so the topic of the podcast i think you need to squish right yeah ah yeah we just want to make sure you pick up on the or on the mic put your model please the topic of the of the podcast is the value of places. So we discussed the idea of home. so is our home away from home Right. So he was talking about how you are currently renovating some somewhere and it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't feel like your home because the place that you lived before felt more like home because right now you're, you're in like a project mindset with your current house. here So I'd love to know what,
00:54:43
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what makes you think a place is home? What what qualifies somewhere as home versus a house? Um, a sense of, That's a ready organization. Ooh, organization is new. Can I ask what your... like or herness what your what you know is What is your zodiac sign? I don't really... wish Can we not go down that get it weird? get into it We've already kind of touched on it previously in previous update, but I just needed to know for my own education. I like when things have places to organize or compartmentalize. Yes.
00:55:28
Speaker
so in that transitional phase where you're doing the work it's very very chaotic yeah but okay so but Once everything is set and you're starting to move in, at what point does it feel less like, okay, this is now our home base, but now it's a home, you know? Like, what is that transition? transition What changes? that things are As projects or things are completed, there's not this leg.
00:55:59
Speaker
smattering of in-progress things yeah all over the place. Like projects to complete all the time. Emma's here with a bottle of wine in her hands. Like the wine fairy. I have a question. you know why When you go home, when you go back to the place you live tonight, Will it not feel like home? No, it'll feel like home. It feels like home. it feel like it But but you're it's kind of dismissive. It's like home, but it's like chaos. For now. Well, it only feels like home because of the people that are there. That's part of it. Well, that's what Cheryl and Adam said. It is also because I have the vision of what it will look like when it's done. Oh, so you can see what it will be and kind of project your feelings about what it will be into your current
Concept of Home and Independence
00:56:47
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situation. Right now, I know that there's like shifts spread everywhere. Yeah.
00:56:52
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Once this project's done, that will be gone. Once this project's done, that will be gone. Once this project's done, that will be gone. Yes. And being in those in-between phases has nothing to do with anything as long as the person that you're with makes it... Well, okay. Well, okay. Because, see, I... Sorry, maybe I... I agree that people make home, but at the... I live alone. So, my home doesn't have to do with the people around me. and It's like me being able to feel comfortable. Right. I'm investing. yeah i'm I'm nesting. Like, I feel safe and like, you know in a video game where you hit like a save? Like you've gotten far enough that the game autosaves so if you die you respawn at a certain spot? yeah That's how I feel with my house.
00:57:37
Speaker
You know? So I guess what's what is the point in the question here like of all? Because I came in in the middle. So so the the original question was, what what makes you distinguish between a house versus a home? A home. That's a good question. I was recently considering that, actually. Right. Because, well... We know where you are. We are like we used to live. we're in the neighborhood you guys are so but you know where i live but do you know that i just recently built my marriage job yeah you told me earlier tonight well we're cutting this out too i can i can edit it's fine like this leave in or leave out as much as you care well do you want people to follow or not yeah right this is real people care about real human yeah i love ryan to death and i hope to meet him someday but like
00:58:25
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a house and a home are two different things. And I want the people that I am living within my home to be the people that make my home a home. Like I want to be able to have conversations with them that break boundaries and like, you know, there's nothing is held back. Yeah. And that's hard to do with someone like that. He's very with how it just goes. Oh, yeah. it's fun I don't have a problem, honestly, at all, with you and honestly he doesn't think that far ahead, so. Yeah. He's fine as well. But but that's what makes, to me, Saria, that means I've like, monopolized this whole conversation. Well, now you're fine. We're curious also, yeah yeah. It's the people that you have in it. Alright, yeah, and I think that it's it's really interesting because I think both of your experiences do
00:59:19
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give us really good information on what the yeah topic was yeah I would like to ask both of you since you're both open and ready jumping in as is open real quick I know I'm real you look real itchy like you want to get the hell out of i know tim but I want to ask I want to ask you one more question if you will are okay with it outside of Hinsdale, in the future hope of the current project, when was the last time you felt home? Ooh. Today. Yeah. Here? No. Where? At home. Oh, at home, home. OK. OK. But prior to that, I'm saying, like, what was prior to these two things that we've heard about? Well, no. Here, they used to live in Hinsdale, and you live in a current place now.
01:00:14
Speaker
and then you have another place that's also a project? No, our current home in Ada is the project is the project. Okay, so outside of outside of that that place that you live in and the place you used to live, which was Hensil. When was the last time you felt at home? No, I love it. I love it. adjust When was the last time you felt Well, no, I just want to know what it was and then and then and I would like you to describe that place. So when we left PennSale, which we've renovated from the ground up and we're renovating our current house completely. There was an interim period where we lived where everything was in storage and we rented
01:00:55
Speaker
a fully furnished apartment, downtown Grand Rapids. I felt home there, okay not because it was any of my tangible items, but because we were back in Michigan. We had moved home, we were close to friends, we were close to family. cool we felt home because we were back where we started interesting okay so that's something we have around the people you wanted to do it was it was we were a couple hours drive from my family a couple hours drive from his family we were okay city that we met and we were from we got married in
01:01:30
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we were in the same city that our friends all lived in, we were home. yeah again it's the people i think yes I think there's more to being home than just a place. It's the people you surround yourself with. It's the city, the community it's not your furniture that you associate yourself with. Just being back in Grand Rapids, that felt like home. summer i into walking I love that. We didn't hit on that because I, for me, the state of Michigan, anytime I'm outside of it I don't feel yeah it's exciting but I don't feel like I'm you ating like conference the state of Michigan and honestly Lake Michigan itself is like if I'm far away from her for too long I'm like this is weird and I need to get back home yeah like I freak out there's something about being
01:02:17
Speaker
quote-unquote home, home yeah about the geographical location of where you feel at home. 100%. So what is your answer to that? You so probably already did that. Yeah, so we hit on it a little bit. So so for me, it's like a new thing. like My apartment that I've lived in, for it's been two years now. I'm going on three. It's been the longest spot that I've lived in um with all my, like Like all of my stuff and it's I feel like it's mine independently you're not independently as an adultll you're living in I've lived there longest in the last less fun like five or six years. You have no roommate. You're living. No, it's just me Yeah, so it's like I her two cats it's me as my two cats. So so I've like Cultivated the environment around me yeah fully by myself. Yes, and I it feels like me in every way. That's your home and you Yeah, and so so what?
01:03:13
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what for me makes me realize oh i think of that place is home is when i'm in like um an emotionally charged situation where I'm like, I'm stressed out, I'm i' sad, I'm tired, I need to leave. What is that? Emotionally charged situation? It could be anything. It could be anything. But what is it for you, I guess is the question. Honestly, it could be anything. So, so day word could be yeah. to play with friends right but Could be an exam. If I think, like wow, I would love to go home right now, and that's the place that flashes in my brain is somewhere that I need to go to
01:03:46
Speaker
Recharge that's my home and your flash in your brain is is my apartment lansing right and you're apartment So she comes back here and war and and today it's always a visit it's It's very clear this is when I say when I say, yeah okay, I'm gonna go home justing yeah It's not my parents home anymore. Yeah, it's my home All the time and that is something that has shifted in the last like three years school yeah I assume you went away from you from Grand Rapids, went to East Lansing and South Lake. Did you ever come along in the summers? It's a little weird because I went to Grand Valley first and then COVID hit in the middle of my college. So when I went to Grand Valley, I would come back for summers. But then when I transferred to MSU,
01:04:33
Speaker
I stay there now. She stays there too. I just had this conversation actually this past weekend with my mom and when I moved away, so I'm from the east side, I'm from Detroit, when I moved to Grand Valley, I kind of assumed maybe that my Summer after freshman year I would have come home. yeah I'm getting a job and I never moved home. never So this is great I moved out after a senior year in high school. And you literally have your never moved home ever again. whoa And it was like that was something my mom was saying. I did not expect that when you left
01:05:11
Speaker
in the fall after your senior year in high school that you would never, ever, ever, ever live at home again. Yeah. So what was your first... I'm sorry. No, I don't have a question. You have a question. That was it. What was your first home after... Ooh, that's a good question! Right? Like where did that... After you left for college. I lived in dorms. Which never feels like home. That summer, I feel like I lived in off-campus housing in an apartment, my fraternity house. Did that feel like home? No. This is a place I scratch ideas. A lot of fun. So I also went to school while I was in high school, so I entered college as a sophomore. Okay. If you keep flexing like that, you're going to pull a muscle. Yeah, we're going to edit you out. So that second year in college, I lived in the opposite camp as a partner, which was my sister-in-law. Then I moved downtown, Grand Rapids, from Yale and Yale. Did that feel like home?
01:06:21
Speaker
No, because I was like fulfilling my sister's sublease when that happened. She went to Aquinas and moved, like graduated, but still had time left in her apartment, so I finished that out. And then I i think probably the first time I felt like a home was when I had my own lease in an off-campus apartment downtown at American Seating. Grand Rapids. grand rapids okay like up off of like Yeah, just north e yeah cor of downtown. yeah okay That was my only, le but mind you I still ran roommates. I think the first time I ever felt home home was after I graduated, after I was living in an American seating, I bought a condo when I was like 21.
01:07:05
Speaker
i live by myself for the first time Yeah, but okay, so I was gonna say foreclosure it sounds like like but that's yeah was reality yeah but it still worked in my favorite it sounds like Good time line at least with your experience in my experience is that the like Independence and like the claim of it being your own. Yes Yeah, so like when a It always felt like everywhere I lived was somebody else's place. Until this place. my your name yeah once It's in Literally, my name was on the D, it was my name. I was responsible for the mortgage, I was responsible for the monthly HRE dues. Pay for this in any way you can. Also be like living alone. I filled it with Ikea furniture. yeah
01:07:52
Speaker
Dude, mine's all Facebook Marketplace. Like, everything in my apartment is Facebook Marketplace. My grown-ass adult married life is all Facebook Marketplace.
Reflections on Home as Connection
01:07:59
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It's a treasure trove! You better shit that way. 100%! Yeah, okay. That's interesting that we have, advice like, multiple different opinions. Like, we all have varying actual stated opinions, but I think it all boils down to the same thing. I love that this podcast changed from places to homes. What does being home mean? Which honestly I think though it was the root of what we were going for. We feel like we're at home here. That's why we're doing this. It's just us looking for home in places that aren't our home. I think it's interesting. I think it's so interesting. So it's not mine.
01:08:41
Speaker
So I think it's so interesting. um I've had many before this because I'm not from Grand Rapids. I'm from Lansing. to i' I've lived in Lansing like my entire life since I was very little so I don't know much outside of it. I know a lot outside of it but I just feel like that's a question that I encounter all the time in my own mind is like my mom Like, I grew up in Grand Ledge. Kind of farming, whatever. Lansing was very close. It was not that great. It was a little more seedy when I was younger. It's grown to be a lot more, like, progressive and things are, like, expansive and this and that. But, like, I'm here and... the english I feel like...
01:09:38
Speaker
I feel like I say that to myself a lot because my mother yeah recently moved from my childhood home. My childhood home, if you can call it my childhood home, is in Grand Ledge-ish to Kalamazoo. So she moved the, you know, bottom line of Michigan. And I don't, like, I've gone and stayed at her house. going out
01:10:04
Speaker
in times of need. Those times of need where I need to be at a home are the times that I've gone to my mother and my father. So for me, it's never been a place. It's never been a physical place. It's my people. So I can't yeah i can't that's true feel the same way as any. But when you think, ugh, I'm tired. Let's go home. Like, you're not thinking of your parents' house, right? They're cranking the music on us!
01:10:40
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We're recording!
01:10:44
Speaker
He's going to turn it down. We're about to close it out here. We've gone for long, but okay. But I like that we've got all this feedback. I love all of these perspectives. I can't put it on a place. I can't put it on a time. I love that. If I need to go home, my home is my mom or my dad. Or my sister. right yeah my ta is not that's very true See again, it's interesting that we had this idea that we're going to talk about places.
01:11:16
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yeah yeah no but then have some but we there was a feeling of yes yeah yeah yeah and and And it turned into home and where we get that sense of home from. And I love that that's what it turned into. yeah's I feel like that's an answer. It's an answer to our question of what is the value of places. It's finding it's your home outside of your home. yeah and yeah Different people have these great experiences and they're willing to share them and it was great. and then I love it. Everyone's different. Everybody had a different answer. It was so cool. Because if people find other people, their home outside of their home, mine's my family. And some people's... They don't want to be with their family. That's a whole other thing. Right? Yeah. Okay. Wow. Well, thank you guys. We really hit on it. Thank you. cheers Reba, thank you.
01:12:09
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Chadwick, thank you Adam. Thank you Cheryl. She's not listening. Thank you Ryan who popped in very briefly, but didn't give much of an input. piece of pop Thank you all of our oop iPhone storage full. We lost our video. Cheers. We're gonna cheers to all of our guests. Thank you everybody. Hope to see you guys again soon. Thank you so much. Thanks much. conversation um And thank you to our shallow friends for You know, press and play on another one of our... Yeah, I think this one's gonna be one where... This one's gonna be a chonker. I think just... Just run it straight through. Yeah, ride the wave with us. Like, it's gonna be... Oh my gosh! It's not being recorded, but you can... Oh, she's wiping all her goop off. You rock. Aw, it's a podcast kiss. A pod kiss. How cute. All right.
01:13:06
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Thank you, shallow friends. We'll see you next time. We see you next time. Love you