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Is This Aging Gracefully? Getting Candid About Looking & Feeling Older
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On this episode of Just 4 Moms, we’re diving deep into something every woman faces but few talk about honestly: aging. From creaky knees and random chin hairs to Botox, dry eyes, and perimenopause, we’re opening up about what it really feels like to grow older in a world obsessed with looking young.
We may still feel 20 on the inside—but one look at our hands, knees, or under-eye circles can tell another story. Charlotte shares what it’s like to turn 50 while still feeling like she’s figuring it out. Caitlin reflects on the moment she stopped hearing “you look so young,” and started wondering if she looked “her age.” Kallie wonders why we’re made to choose between embracing aging or fighting it with every filter and filler. And Megan? She’s learned to love life post-40—Botox, laser treatments, laughter-induced bladder leaks and all.
You’ll hear our Mom Fails (rock painting day drama, a communion suit mishap, and a birthday phone call that never happened), plus some inspiring thoughts from plastic surgeon Dr. Flora Levin on aging with confidence—not fear.
We’re not here to fight aging—we’re here to figure it out together. Because while our skin may change, our sense of humor, our spirit, and our love for each other? That stays the same.
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Transcript
The Mystery of the Odor: Central Air Dilemma
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Do you guys have central air?
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all Yeah, obviously all of you. Is it on? now No. yeah I mean, it has been a few times. No, ours is, well, we don't have it, number one. Number two, um our house smells like like cat pee, and my cat doesn't pee in anywhere with his litter.
00:00:22
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so I'm like, is it because we don't have air conditioning on? But if your house if you don't have your air on and your house doesn't smell like cat pee, then... I mean, we don't have a cat peeing anywhere in the house, even a litter box. so that don't know, guys. It's pretty bad down here right now. I should lit a candle.
00:00:40
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but I clean Muffin's litter every like almost every time he pees now. Maybe he had an accident somewhere. Maybe he misses because he's a boy. I don't know. Maybe there's a creature with like an other animal. Do boy cats lift their legs?
00:00:54
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They spray, but he doesn't spray. He's too old. He doesn't know what's going on. How old is this cat again? He's not that old. Actually, he's not that old. his He's 12. But we started calling him Jerry because he's geriatric, and considered a geriatric in cat years.
00:01:12
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So he's now Jerry. and So many Jerry's in the Houston household. Yes, this Jerry starts with G, though. The stink bugs start with a J. Of course.
00:01:23
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Sorry. Oh, God, it was.
Introducing 'Just For Moms': Topics of the Podcast
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Welcome to Just For Moms. I'm Charlotte. I'm Caitlin. I'm Megan. And I'm Callie. We are regular moms talking about regular stuff like aging, parenthood, work-life balance, and figuring out what's for dinner.
00:01:38
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Again, no-judgment zone to talk, laugh, and maybe cry about all the things women think about on a daily basis. things i'll
00:01:47
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Welcome back, Just For Moms, Megan, Charlotte, Callie, and
Rainy Days and Met Gala Reviews
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Caitlin. How is every everyone? Living the dream. it's so rainy i'm fine because i like a rainy day but it is so rainy like places that have never flooded are flooding it's true that's all i got yeah and did we all watch the met gala last night or see any highlights from it anything we want to chat about i did like ah you know all the memes that show like a really disgusting person and then it says me judging what other people are wearing in the met gala
00:02:20
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That was me last night just going through Twitter looking at all the pictures of what everyone wore. But I didn't watch it live on TV. I didn't even know it. It just happened. So as you know, I'm always a month behind somehow.
00:02:33
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Yeah, my algorithm showed it to me. And then I did look for the best and the worst dressed. I don't get the point of going to the Met Gala and not going full send.
00:02:45
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Like there were a handful of people and they were called out for it, but they were a handful of people. I mean, speaking of your beautiful white blazer, like there were a couple of white suits and they were so chic and beautiful, but they were kind of a snooze for the Met Gala. Like, don't you want it to be a big like thing?
00:03:01
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Yeah. I thought it was supposed to be art. So you're supposed to come dressed sort of like a walking piece of art. And some of the people did look like they went and bought a suit and put it on and said, because I don't normally wear suits that this makes it fancy, but.
00:03:15
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Yeah. I mean, I think a couple of them were an homage to past designers and like Bianca Jagger. Like there was a rhyme to their reason or a reason to their rhyme, whichever it is. But still, I want drama. I want something weird.
00:03:29
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Yeah. Yeah. Weird as a point. Yeah, it was a lot of like black and white and you're right, suits. Not the normal that we see like gowns, right? Well, the few – Yeah, the theme was like tailored, blackened, something like that. So there was definitely a play on the suit.
00:03:49
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Oh, they get a theme. See, I didn't even realize that was the theme. So that makes sense, Charlotte. Thank you. Welcome. Yeah, did you see Andre 3000 or 5000 was dressed as a piano?
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With the piano? Yeah, because he's doing something that has to do with pianos. See, I thought that was wonderful. Diana Ross looked stunning with that giant gown that she had on. yeah Yeah, I liked them.
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She comes up first when I Google it. Oh, it is all black and white. You're right, everybody. yeah li Lisa Renner's daughter wore all red and she looked atrocious. Who is she?
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um i mean Amelia Gray. Yeah. yeah There's nothing like going through photos of these things. then were I don't know who any of these people. This could be made up celebrities.
00:04:37
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Coleman Domingo. I've never heard of you. I don't know who any of these people are. Literally none of them. Which is not saying anything about me. i them It says everything about me that I don't know who any of these people are.
00:04:49
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There are a lot of women with blazers, no pants. Yes. Oh, that musician there that our daughters listen to, I did notice her tail. Yes. Her tail.
00:05:02
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Yeah. I was like... Is that her butt cheeks? Okay. So moving on. Okay.
TikTok Trends and Family Humor
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Have you seen the trend? It's all over TikTok and Instagram.
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And people are asking others, I'm so um hungry. i could eat. And they're saying someone that they could eat. Have you seen this trend, Callie? Of course not.
00:05:25
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Okay. I will share a clip with you after this episode, but it's like, it's turning into this, you know, It's all over. Everyone's saying it.
00:05:38
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You're supposed to eat somebody like that's attractive, like that you want to because they're attractive. Okay. So let's say you're talking to your husband and this is a total joke. Okay. Yeah. And I know he, you were his first and only love.
00:05:51
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Yeah. But you might want to be like, hey, Michael, like you're so hungry you could eat and like mention like his ex-girlfriend or something. The point is to bring up someone from their history that is such a deep cut that they are like, wait, how do you know that I know this person?
00:06:07
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And it's sort of random. And why are we eating them? That doesn't matter. I know. I don't know. But anyways, I thought it was kind of funny. So I thought. My sister tried to do it to my mom. She like went on online, found one of my mom's old bosses.
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And then we were all together and said it. And my mom just looked at her and she's like, you know, I'm on TikTok, right? And my sister was like, Oh, I failed, but it was, I mean, I ate a for effort, but that's funny.
00:06:35
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Yeah. Okay.
Mom Fails: Stories and Laughter
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Moving on to mom fails. Does anyone have any this week? Callie, do you have any mom fails to share? Always. i Always. What did I write down? Oh, my daughter, they were supposed to do rock painting on a Monday.
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and I had no idea. Michael came home from dropping her off and he was like, she didn't have her rock. And I'm like, what do you mean she have her rock? Her rock for what? So mom fail. I didn't send a rock in.
00:07:01
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They didn't have any extras for the poor I think he said they would have extras. Yeah. Okay. ah Okay. Perfect. I mean, the rocks are everywhere. what a fun activity. Yeah. Charlotte?
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Well, my mom failed. It's only a fail in my mind because the person involved, I truly don't think she cares. My daughter turned 16 last week and that's a big birthday.
00:07:24
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She had been home for a long weekend and so I put her on the bus Tuesday afternoon and her birthday was the next day. So I texted her right when we woke up and I was like, I feel badly that we're not with you, but I hope you have the best day, blah, blah. blah I emailed her advisor to make sure that they knew and they were doing something.
00:07:40
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We FaceTimed her in the afternoon on the way to sports and she answered questions. quickly in a space where she wasn't meant to have her phone. And I was like, why do you have your phone? And she was like, oh, and she hung up.
00:07:51
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So I didn't really get to talk to her on her birthday, which feels as a mom, I feel so guilty. And like, I feel like that's a big time fail, but also like I really tried and I don't think she cares. Yeah, no, not at all.
00:08:04
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No. and I mean, she'll probably care later on in life, but Right. This will be the like what gets her into therapy. but ah
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Well, if this is the one defining thing that gets her into therapy, I think you did all right. Yeah. And I think if she really wanted to talk to you, i think she would have called back. Yeah. She does have access to our phone number. Yeah. She would have with her friends.
00:08:28
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but so That's all they care about at this age is their friends. Who knows? Yeah. I don't know.
00:08:35
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Caitlin, do you have any? I do. i This is just a silly little one, but I've been trying to be as active as I could with the laundry because you know it just builds up so much.
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And i'm my husband works in the room I'm sitting in right now. And you can't do really laundry during the day when he's down here working because of the noise, whatever. So the yesterday I'm put i'm like sorting clothes to put them in the wash and I'm washing blues and greens.
00:09:04
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Riddle me this way. I thought a yellow cardigan could go in with blues and greens and Arbor's brand new bright, like the cutest bright yellow cardigan is now just this dumpy mustard color.
00:09:17
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So I ruined it. Wait, when you sort your laundry, you're sorting that like deep into the color wheel. Well, there was no blacks like blacks would have went in there with it, too. But um I don't wash Brandon's clothes anymore because we decided not to wash each other's clothes because we ruined them. So when it comes down to the kids, I have to do darks, pinks and then whites or tans or they'll all just get.
00:09:43
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Huh. Yeah. Everything just goes in at my house. I wish. The whites with the colors and everything, Callie? All goes in.
00:09:54
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ah For my kids, yes. Because their stuff, most of it I buy used anyway. So there's not a lot of dye coming off of them. And then my clothes, I do dark and then whites.
00:10:06
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But there's no color. Greens blues. Well, my girls have a lot of pinks and reds and they can't get washed with the black stuff because then there's always some weird black mark that comes out.
00:10:17
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And you're like, this is a 17 year old black shirt. Why did suddenly it bleed onto the pink ah dress? But it happens. I know. Sometimes I think our washer and dryer, there's something wrong with them because they're always have weird things happen. But this mustard situation is my fault.
00:10:33
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Yeah, it happens. Don't stress it. Mustard's a nice color. Yeah. So I have a mom fail. You know, we try to be prepared and organized. We had Nico's communion. I ordered three suits and that week we tried one on. i thought it worked. You know, he's so skinny. I like took in the waist.
00:10:53
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You know, I thought it looked good. It was a meltdown about trying it on You know how that is. And then the morning of everyone's rushing around cause we had to be there at like 9am and The suit that we tried on during the week, all a sudden it just didn't fit. And it was like so big on him. He stood up and I made him put his hands by it. And I said, I was like, Joe, he can't wear that. It looks like it's like huge.
00:11:17
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Like what happened? We tried it on. And he was like, no, you didn't. it I'm like, I swear we tried it on. I don't know if I just wasn't paying attention enough. So I did have others. I do recommend, I'm going to throw that tip in there for all moms. If you don't already do it, order a bunch of sizes, like in, if it's for something important, because i got two sizes smaller. I don't know why, just in case. And he ended up wearing that one.
00:11:41
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And we switched with like 10 minutes before it was time to go. I'm like throwing it in the dryer really quick because it was wrinkled. So yeah, that was my mom fail. Like I, I guess it all worked out, but I was, you know, I felt like I should have been better prepared for, from trying it on during the week, if that makes sense. You know, don't Little boys are so hard too, because they're so long and lean.
00:12:04
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Like even Oliver did this. He's six two, but I weigh more than he does. So you put something for his height on and he's just swimming in it. Like that scene from big when he turns into the, yes, that's what Nico looked like. And I was like, he can't take pictures like that.
00:12:18
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So like we scrambled last minute and I'm like ripping the stuff out of the plastic because it was like two sizes smaller. i was worried it was going to be too short. i don't know. It all worked out, but it was just stressful.
00:12:30
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I had, I did the same thing, Megan. I, Ily's communion was last weekend and the first dress we ordered on Amazon comes in like this sealed bag. Cause I was like, I'm not going to the shop in town. It's going to be too expensive.
00:12:43
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And she's going wear it once, whatever. So she opens the dress and there was a black slug. Oh, no. Like the size of like a pencil tip and you like clearly a slug.
00:12:57
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So I ordered three dresses after that. I sent that one back because I was like, I'm not opening another dress and having it have a slug on it. We didn't even go with the same brand or company or anything like that. But yeah, learn my lesson.
00:13:11
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Thank you. All right. Yeah. Okay. Moving on from the slugs. Okay.
Aging: Personal Experiences and Perspectives
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So this week's topic is aging.
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Physically, the push to embrace aging versus stop it. You know, how we are all handling aging. How do we feel about it? It's, I know, personally for me,
00:13:37
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Turning 40, I was very nervous about it. And then it came and I was like, wow, this is it. And I do have to say I'm 43 now. I feel better now than I did when I was like 38, 39, leading up to 40.
00:13:54
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You get all like, and don't know, I guess as a society, when we turn these big numbers, 40, 50, forty fifty I feel like there's almost like a stress and a strain, like something bad's going to happen, but I don't think it's bad at all. I think it's, I think it was great.
00:14:09
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And, you know, you're, I'm comfortable in my own skin and I find ways to make myself not feel old, I guess, if that's, if I can go, you know, with, you know, if it's my Botox treatments, my laser treatments, working out, eating better,
00:14:31
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being around positive people. So I feel like that's personally helping me age. And that's just what I've chosen to feel better about the wrinkles, if that makes sense.
00:14:46
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And I know many people are actively seeking strategies to maintain their physical and mental wellbeing as they age, while others are focused on accepting the journey of aging,
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Some are not. So I wanted to get each of our personal. I'm going start with you, Charlotte, because I feel like you have a really good take on this too. And I, you know.
00:15:11
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And you're the oldest. You can say it, Megan. No. the oldest. we talk about it a lot off camera. And I feel like people shouldn't be afraid of aging. And I feel like you have a really good outlook on it. So what's your personal experience on going through this.
00:15:28
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Well, you're very kind to say that. I think when I turned 40, was pregnant with Arthur. So I didn't really think about that as a big number because I was like, I'm still having babies. Like, this is fine.
00:15:40
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I will say I turned 50 a couple of weeks ago and I feel fine. Like in some ways I haven't reached that stage where I'm like, I mean, I'm definitely creakier and there's certain things that I feel like I can't get away with, but I don't know. 50 feels different emotionally. I'm still trying to sort of make sense of it. I think it's just, it's like odds are pretty good that I'm more than halfway through. Whereas when you're 40, you can kind of be like,
00:16:10
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Maybe not even halfway. Something about being in your 50s just feels like I didn't feel like 40 felt old. 50 just seems like an older number. So that trying to sort of reconcile what my perception of 50 is, which with how I feel is tricky.
00:16:25
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And then I'm beginning to sort of enter that realm and we've talked about it so much on here and obviously offline too. Just that realm where like my body is physically changing from whether it's perimenopause or menopause, like there are actual things happening. It's not just like, I feel a little more tired or like, I feel like I'm getting some crow's feet. Like I am gaining weight and I've never gained weight. So that emotionally, it's hard to sort of reconcile that.
00:16:54
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And like on one hand, I sort of want to be like, but I still feel fine and like my clothes fit and I wouldn't, you know, I don't think anyone would like, like I'm not unhealthy. Like, I don't think anyone would be like, your weight's a problem.
00:17:07
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So I try to sort of talk myself out of it. But then I also am like. I'm nothing is changing in my lifestyle. So this is sort of feels like a marker of something that is happening elsewhere.
00:17:19
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And where I have been frustrated in the last couple of years is I don't know who to go to for support.
Turning 50: Charlotte's Journey
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And everyone, you know, everything on my TikTok and my Instagram, it's all about like perimenopause and everyone has a take and everyone is like, do this and eat the protein and get the weight vest and do the like cortisol. Like everyone has a hot take on it.
00:17:39
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But when I spoke to my OBGYN, she was like, yeah, like she sort of cocked her head and didn't do anything. She finally agreed to put me back on the birth control pill. So that's a little bit of hormones coming into my body.
00:17:52
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But I don't and don't feel ah obvious. It's not like the weight is falling off to the, you know, I've been the same weight my whole life, which is the only reason I keep mentioning it is that it's just, it's a recent change.
00:18:03
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And then Like I spoke to my GP about it and she was like, yeah, anything in that realm is your OB. And then i got one of these blood tests on the internet where you can, you know, test your metabolism or whatever.
00:18:18
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And they said I was a little high in one realm so speak to your doctor. So I called my doctor and they're like, where did you have this done? And, you know, I was like... on the internet, you know, on through the mail. And they just kept passing me off.
00:18:31
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I mentioned this recently when I was at the med spa getting my Botox. And that was the first time anyone listened to me, but also she was trying to sell me like this pellet that they do, which is like a hormone thing. So I'm, I'm frustrated because I feel like the only place that I can go to they have ulterior motives. And that's like, I hate that feeling of like, I don't know who to believe because everyone's trying to sell me something.
00:18:56
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And I don't feel like that with my OB b and I don't feel that with my GP, but they're also not like doing anything to help like the physical aspects of that. So that's, I mean, that's, that's a lot, a long winded, probably non-answer to what you were saying, but that's sort of where I am yeah right now, which is just the frustrating part of all this.
00:19:15
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And who would you say has been your biggest, like, support system with turning 50 or leading up to 50? Like you talked about a few doctors. Is there one that you liked more than the other or?
00:19:27
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I mean, none of them are like, they're all sort of dismissive in a very nice way. yeah it's sort of like, that's not our realm. yu But it's, I don't know. I mean, it's certainly reassuring as much as I'm not going to use it for medical advice. It's definitely reassuring to see so many women speaking about it online because at least you know, like this is a shared experience. I mean, it feels like it's definitely a little bit in vogue to be talking about it. So I'm cognizant that this may be it's not a trend, but it's it's definitely something that everyone's talking about.
00:19:59
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yeah But I don't know, having older friends, and a lot of my friends are not, I'm a little bit older than some of them, but I have a few that are
Facing 40: Caitlin's Insights and Botox
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older. Just, I don't know, other girlfriends that are like, I know, i hear you, same here. That's just nice to know that it's not me making a big deal out of nothing.
00:20:14
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You know, that it's everyone's lived experience. Yes.
00:20:20
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Caitlin, do you have any... you You have a big 40 coming up. Yeah, it's funny. So what's your thoughts on that? I don't know. i When I was thinking about this topic, the first thing that popped in my mind was growing up, I was always told I looked younger than everybody else, which I was younger than everybody else.
00:20:38
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um i but just I graduated high school younger than everybody else. And as I got older, I was still always told I looked young. And I think
00:20:47
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I don't remember the first time someone acknowledged how old I actually was. And I was like like, wait, why did that person like ID me? Why did that person think I did look like I could have kids? And then, then all of a sudden it was just like, I couldn't get that out of my head. And I, and I started caring.
00:21:05
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So, and i I, again, I can't pinpoint that one moment, but I never really cared about getting older. i think now turning 40 is this weird,
00:21:16
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I'm conflicted because social media says you're supposed to care about these big milestones. And when I was growing up, I remember my brother's 12 years older than me. I remember my brother turning 30, 40. He just turned 52 years ago.
00:21:28
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We had these big parties, but it was, and I remember my mom's, how old did my mom turn? I feel like I remembered her 50th birthday and it was a big over the hill, but nothing was ever about physical aging and your face and your face.
00:21:46
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And so that's, that's what I think about a lot. Um, I get Botox because years ago, someone offered it to me in exchange for posting about it. And once I got it, I was like, wow, I really like how this smoothed out the scar between my eyebrows.
00:22:02
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And then it's just something I always wanted to, I just wanted to keep up with, but I just, I think I don't know where I'm going with this right now. I think I said what I wanted to say.
00:22:14
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No, you did. yeah And I think that the aesthetic aspect of aging, i i oscillate between being like, this is aging and like this is fine, to like catching a glimpse of like my knees.
00:22:28
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And they have that crepe paper skin that I remember noticing on like my grandmother when she was older. And so there's definitely a moment of like, I don't feel comfortable in shorts the way I did. And I will wear them if I'm working in the yard, but I'm not going to wear shorts to like a big fancy public thing. And so that's just...
00:22:48
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I don't know. It's not a big emotional thing, but it's like, it's a data point. And so there's moments when that is a non-event and that there's other moments when it's like, that's, you're older.
00:23:00
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And, you know, I don't, I don't love it. Yeah. Well, it's its it's funny. The thing you said about knees inside, I feel like I'm young. Like I just feel like inside I'm still in my twenties and that's just how I walk around and I think.
00:23:14
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And recently I looked down at my hands and I was like, Oh, my hands kind of look old. And then I asked a friend who's in, you know, med spa stuff. And I was like, are my hands particularly, like, have really wrinkly hands? And, and she was like, well, they're not wrinkly. You just don't have a lot of collagen. It's, you know, it's just, that's how your body is. And I was like, so these are just going to get Yeah.
00:23:36
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Because that then, of course, somebody on Instagram starts showing me the algorithm, somebody getting rejuvenation done on their hands. And but and then that's all I can think about. yeah And, and it you know, social media can do two things. One, it can tell you to age gracefully. And the other thing it can tell you to do is to this is how you stop aging. There is just no in between.
00:23:58
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And, you know, I asked my mom, I said, did you think about when you were in your forties and fifties, how you were starting to look old? And she's like, no, all I ever cared about was my weight. She said, I never thought about my face, but that's what our generation sees and cares about because that's, I mean, it's just there.
00:24:16
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And I, and I listen, I talk about Botox all the time on my Instagram. So it's, you know, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. Right. Callie, you're the baby
Callie on Aging: Reality vs. Social Media
00:24:25
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of the group. What do you feel about aging?
00:24:28
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I know. i I was listening to an interview the other day and the woman was talking about, she made a comment and she was just like, there aren't ugly people anymore. She was like, everybody is so like perfect looking now. And she was talking about how because we, over the last 10 years, we do so much work.
00:24:48
Speaker
where we see ourselves. like Obviously, all of us are content creators, so we see ourselves like literally on video all the time. But even people who are not, I mean, my husband is on Zoom calls like all day long. We're seeing our faces like so much more where we used to just see it as like a passing glance in a mirror.
00:25:06
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And so I think about that a lot. Yeah, I mean, I personally, i have not done anything to slow. mean, i put moisturizer on my face. you know I like use moisturizers and stuff, but I have not gone down that vein yet. I am the the baby of the group.
00:25:21
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So I'm not saying that like there you know I won't get to a point where won't. ah My body's changing. I mean, I have wrinkles that I didn't have before. i have cellulite on my legs that weren't there before. There's spider veins on my legs that I didn't have in my 20s. And I do look at these things and obviously you feel self-conscious about it.
00:25:40
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But part of me is trying to like step back from that that's sort of like reality that we've created for ourselves that everybody has to look perfect all of the time. Cause that's not reality. And so i'm I'm always trying to check myself about it and just be like, this is a body. Like this is, you know, i I always am walking the fine line of, I want to take care of my body and I want to look presentable. Like I want to look nice.
00:26:06
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um You know, I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to dress nice and put on makeup and try to look well, but there's also a piece of it where I'm like, you know, we're all just humans. And I, and I worry, I think it's because I spend so much time in front of the camera with people looking at me and people watching my videos that I, I walk that line carefully where I don't want it to ever, i don't know, appear like not reality.
00:26:30
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So I don't know that I have some perfect solution, but that's sort of where I am. I'm trying to embrace it the best I can. I mean, aging is a gift, right? A lot of people don't get that, uh,
00:26:42
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A lot of people don't get that benefit. So I'm trying to, that's the yeah the way I'm trying to stay about it. Yeah. No, that's great. And I love, I have to say, that we all have a positive perspective on aging.
00:26:55
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Okay. Because I was doing some research. No. I was doing some research and it said a positive attitude towards aging can lead to a greater overall well-being and a longer life.
00:27:08
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And studies show that individuals who view aging as a natural process with new opportunities tend to live longer and healthier lives.
00:27:20
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So we're all heading down the right path, hopefully, and our listeners too. Well, it makes sense though, because people who are constantly getting work done, constantly trying to do the new thing to make themselves look look younger, what are they chasing? Like, what what are you actually going after?
00:27:36
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Is it something that's already happened? Because you're never going to get that again. That's your past self. So I do try, you know, granted, look for gray hairs every day, I noticed a new spot next to my ah age spot next to my eye or whatever.
00:27:50
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But I'm happy that I am who I am right now. And I think that I feel sad for people who are not just love, love who you are today because you might not look like that person tomorrow, you know?
00:28:06
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No, it's true. mean, I think with anything, it sort of is the juice worth the squeeze. So like I... I don't know. I started getting Botox a few years ago because to your point, Callie, I was looking at myself all the time on camera. And, you know, I have played so many sports out in the sun my whole life where we were not putting on sunblock. And so I just have these deep lines between my eyes that were making me look like tired and angry. And they were...
00:28:31
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And that's a pretty easy fix. You know, I went in and I spoke to the woman and she was like, let's try it. And I found that it made a difference. And now I look at myself and I don't, you know, I've never asked her to like freeze me.
00:28:43
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And I feel like it just makes me look the way I feel. And then I also think that we are thankfully living in a world where people the 40s is not when you hang up your hat and just sit home and crochet. Like, I think we have amazing examples of people like, you know, you name it, Martha Stewart. Like, there's so many women that are in their 60s, 70s, 80s that are kicking ass.
00:29:05
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And so for me, entering my 50s, I don't emotionally feel like you know, I'm now retired. I mean, it's like, okay, what am I going to do next? And my dad still works. He's finally declared retirement, you know, the hour before he turns 80.
00:29:21
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But, you know, I think that for us, we have that going for us too. So that I think of aging very much and from like the vanity metrics of it all, not so much from a, like, I feel like you said, Caitlin, I feel young.
00:29:34
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Yeah. In most ways. Yeah. Yeah. Age is just a number. No. For sure. And the benefits of aging, it only gets better. Aging can bring wisdom, experience, emotional resilience, and increased self-acceptance. So it's only going to get better from here on up.
00:29:54
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I, well... the The random hairs on my face are not getting better. All right. That's what I wanted to talk about next was if we can all maybe quickly just say something funny about aging. I know for me, I wanted to just throw out there this whole, when I laugh sometimes, like I pee a little bit, which I feel like has happened.
00:30:15
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With aging, I'm going you know, keeping it TMI here, but Uh, Charlotte, do you have any funny things that have been going on with you or your body now that you're getting older?
00:30:26
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Oh, I mean, I have that. When I got to go, we're we can't mess around with it. So that's fair. I think I mentioned my knees. I don't love, i don't love what's happening down there.
00:30:37
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Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. Uh, Caitlin? Caitlin? You said your hairs already, but yeah, my facial hair. Um, I don't know this year. Like suddenly have super dry eyes. I need to wear a mouth guard at night because I've got grinding my teeth. Um, now I've got some circulation thing wrong with my toes and they turn purple and black and it's all the the doctor's just like, it's just cause you're getting older. And I'm like, that's freaking cool. i guess, you know, where's the fun stuff. Yeah.
00:31:09
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It's all up here. The fun stuff's up there, right? I don't know that's what thats so That's what Megan said. We're smarter and we're – are the good things about us? Say it again.
00:31:19
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the The positive – we are bringing wisdom, experience, emotional resilience, yeah and increased self-acceptance. and Absolutely. I agree with that.
00:31:31
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Callie, do you have any funny things that have been happening to you that you've been getting older? i feel like i like my so I feel like it's a lot of skin. It's not so much my face skin as much, but just like ah some of it, I don't know if it's just getting older or also just like postpartum stuff because I...
00:31:48
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just recently finished having babies, but it's like, like I said, cellulite, spider veins. I have like weird skin moles. Like, you know, like the last time I went, the you know, and the dermatologist was always like, they're fine. Like, do you want me to take them off? And I'm like...
00:32:03
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I don't know. I don't think so. But like, there's just more and more of them. Every, have like a weird patch on my foot. That's just like really dry all the time. And it looks, just I mean, it looks disgusting. I'm like, I'm going to wear sandals with this like gross dry patch because 20 year old me would have been like, absolutely not. How do I fix this horrible deformity? But I'm like, who cares? It's just dry patch. Like what am I going moisturize it all the time? I can't. Yeah, totally.
00:32:29
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So when I was doing my research, um, about this topic.
Anti-Aging Science: Research and Hollywood
00:32:33
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One, i knew this was going to come up. So of course there was an article, it was a deep dive into science and there's drugs that are being used on mice that they're also using on humans. You know, all these trials going on that are aging, that's slowing down the aging process in mice and also humans.
00:32:56
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I don't want to like get into all the different of what I, you know, read, but I just was like, I knew that was going to come up because there's always certain things you can do and have done. And, you know, I know in Hollywood, i feel like, you know, they're doing all these things that we don't have access to, but.
00:33:17
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Charlotte, what's your thoughts on the whole science aspect of aging and all these mice and Hollywood and... No, you're right. Because I've heard there's this one, I don't know his name, but there's one guy that's his thing is anti-aging and he's living and breathing it. And I don't know. mean, I guess I'm happy that there's someone who's talking about it because if it is just a physical thing, then like the more you know, feels like a full-time job.
00:33:44
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to be in that position. So if someone were to tell me that, like, if you eat three oranges a day, it's really, really good for you or like, that's great. I'm happy that someone has studied that and I can know it. um I don't know. So I guess I'm not, I'm not mad about the science of it all, but I'm not looking into it.
00:34:05
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Same. Yeah. It just happened to pop up and I was like, I knew this was going to happen. But are you going to try it, Megan? Because you like to try You're right. I do like to try things. Now, you know, again, I'm just going to have a positive perspective on it all.
00:34:19
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I kind of wish you would try the mouse one, though. Yeah, right. It would be fun. I know. Would you try it? Hell no. Okay. Okay. I don't even like the collagen stuff that someone told me to start drinking because it would make my hands not look old.
00:34:35
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I'm not. No. Yeah. It's just hard. we' We've talked about it. It's so hard to know. Like I even heard recently that someone has come out and said that coal plant cold plunging is detrimental because, or it's not as beneficial. I don't know whether whether it's detrimental or not as beneficial. No, because the dopamine, like people were doing it because you're like, you give off this dopamine. And people are like, that's actually not great. Like it's it's your fight or flight reflex and it's not, it can be a strain to your system. And yeah.
00:35:03
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I don't know. I never got into that, but I feel like all of these things that are kind of go viral and are sort of have a fad like quality to them. I just don't, I don't know. I don't, I don't trust them. I don't know at what point they become real.
00:35:18
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And at what point they're just a volume of people saying they love it. Yeah. What do you think you're going to trust the science Kelly with aging or. No, I mean, yeah, I think I'm like Charlotte said, it's like for me, the way I feel about so much of this stuff, it's like every six months. It used to be like every two years and now it's like every six weeks. It's like going back and forth. And I i feel so frustrated. Like I don't I feel like you can't really believe anything that I've sort of become this like cynic that I believe nothing.
00:35:48
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but I don't know. i just think about it. And again, you know, I'm sure that it my thoughts will change and as as I age and as things come up. But I just I want to just think about aging gracefully. Like I think about women that I knew in my life that were older that I looked up to. And like I didn't ever think anything about the way that they physically looked. It was never about their wrinkle. You know, so I try to think about it that way. Like that's not what...
00:36:16
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I'm going to be remembered for. That's not what really matters. And, you know, and I've got daughters, right? And so I want to set an example for them too about aging gracefully and that it's so, I don't know.
00:36:29
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yeah I'm not going taking any mice drugs. Yeah. Yes. My biggest fear is that I, the age that I feel like I am in my head is like my biggest fear is that I'm going to wear some outfit that I think is cute.
00:36:43
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And it's actually like, I mean, we all can think of some old woman that was wearing like forever 21 cutoffs or something. And it was like, like you you're pulling it off, but also no, I worry that I'm teetering on that edge of like, can I wear a jumpsuit from free people anymore? And nobody's going to tell me not to.
00:37:01
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So I don't know when that self-awareness kicks in. I don't know though. I know like older women that wear wild clothes and they still look great. I think that you're right. I mean, if maybe it's cut off super short shorts and it like a graphic. Those ones you wore. But that's different.
00:37:16
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but What were those? Her janties. Those micro shorts, the janties. Right. Yeah. I mean, you my knees guys know it's not happening. yeah But I don't think that because we're getting older means that we have to wear, like we just have to commit to wearing, my mom will be upset that I say this, Talbots all the time. She loves Talbots.
00:37:33
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But you know, like, you know, can still- You know what mean? I always worry that I'm like, not maybe not towing the line quite where I think I am. So you guys have to tell me. Just send me ah an emoji that's like- yeah It wouldn't be shocking though, because you always have this really cool eclectic style where, you know, like I recently was told I was dressed like an old woman in something I was wearing. And I was like, this is free people and it's not old lady clothes. yeah It's actually very cool and trendy.
00:38:02
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I'm so cool and hip. yeah Yeah. Yeah. Or that cougar term. I hate that. drives me insane. I haven't heard that as much. I think maybe that's on its way out. I hope so. Brush it under the rug.
00:38:13
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um Okay. So I'm going to end with a quote. As we get older, three things happen. The first is our memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
00:38:26
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Okay.
00:38:29
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Oh, Megan, I love you. That was good. Okay.
00:38:37
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Okay.
Interview with Dr. Flora Levin: Embracing Aging
00:38:39
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So ah trying to keep it fun here, guys, you know?
00:38:44
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Okay. So before we jump into pits and peaks, I'm going to share a chat I had with Dr. Levin about aging and her tips and And she is a board certified plastic surgeon. She's also on the advisory board for Ick Cosmetics. Let's jump into my discussion with her now.
00:39:09
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I am here with Dr. Flora Levin. Can you introduce yourself, please? Sure. Thank you for having me, first of all. My name is Flora Levin. I am board-certified oculofacial plastic surgeon.
00:39:25
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So what that means is that I'm a plastic surgeon with a very scope of practice expertise in the face, but surgically, particularly brows, upper eyelids and lower eyelids, but really overall aesthetics of the face as well.
00:39:41
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Our topic on the podcast was aging. So aging physically... the push to embrace aging versus stop it. What are you doing and how do you feel about aging, Dr. Levin?
00:39:54
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Aging, i feel positive about aging, right? So aging is inevitable and we should be all... very happy to be aging, right? Because the alternative is worse.
00:40:07
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I think that our society has created this stigmata about like aging being bad, but if you think back to you know just a short like a decade ago, most people really thought of aging as like a positive thing. We respected the elderly, we embraced the wisdom that aging brings.
00:40:28
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And I think now we're sort of hyper focused on the appearance. So I'm hoping the pendulum will so will swing back to somewhere in the middle where we now have the modalities to help us age well in terms of our appearance and health and how we feel and look.
00:40:43
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But I think overall, aging is great. Yes. Yes. Yes. That's a great way to look at it. So our skin is our largest organ and the term aging gracefully. We talked about this as well. What are your thoughts?
00:40:58
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And then before i get into it, I wanted to share things for me personally that I wish I did when I was younger was stay out of the sun, which when I first met you and came to your office back in 2019, you knew right off the bat, like, girl, you've been in the sun way too much.
00:41:17
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ah s SPF, wear hat and sleep. drink more water. and I just want to say that your office and your team has helped me age with confidence. So thank you.
00:41:29
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That term age gracefully, what are your thoughts on it? Aging gracefully, i think to me is something you already said, aging with confidence. I don't think aging gracefully means like just giving up.
00:41:41
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And I actually think giving up is not grace, right? Grace is confidence. Grace is the way you carry yourself. And if your confidence is by doing nothing, fine, right? It's a super personal, individual thing that we really shouldn't care what the rest of people think. That definition is is really specific to the person that carries that.
00:42:05
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So what what aging gracefully means to you or to me may be different than what it means to other people, but ultimately it comes down to the way that you feel about yourself. Now, the way you feel about yourself is often affected by the way the world perceives you, right? So the perception that you give off to the world.
00:42:24
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And sometimes there's a disconnect between the way people feel and the way people are perceived. You may feel rested and good, but you may look tired, right?
00:42:36
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But overall, I think aging gracefully means taking care of yourself to the extent that you are comfortable with. And if that means having tons of plastic surgery and correcting everything that you feel uncomfortable with to a reasonable extent, right? Not dysmorphia.
00:42:54
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Fine. That's what it means to you. If it means doing the bare minimum, that's fine too. I think it just depends on the person, but I think aging gracefully to me means aging with confidence.
00:43:05
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Love that. Thank you. And then rather than dwell on aging, focus on the aspects that we and influence, such as exercise, nutrition, and mental health. What are your tips or thoughts?
00:43:18
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100% agree. So I can tell you one thing that I wish I had done sooner in my thirty s is to start exercising and taking care of my body.
00:43:30
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I think when you're in your thirty s you just naturally kind of have that energy and you're busy and it's hard to find the time. what What I realized that is by the time I got into my 40s, my body has kind of has lost the ability to compensate for some of the things. And so for example, occupationally for me being a surgeon, using my neck muscles, my back muscles, my my arms, and keeping them in the same position meant that I became very stiff and started having neck pain and back pain and all these things that I could sort of just brush off in my 30s now have come to catch up to me. Mental health, super important. If you are not feeling well on the inside, you're not gonna look good on the outside.
00:44:13
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no matter objectively how few wrinkles you have, right? Because the inside shines through. Like people who are in love are glowing, right? They have this happiness about them, regardless of what they really look like, because they're in love, right?
00:44:29
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So it's it's kind of the phormones and the inside chemicals that make us have this this happy glow. um Diet, very important. Again, I wouldn't obsess. None of these things should be obsessed over, but it should be a good balanced diet.
00:44:44
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Exercise, yes, don't overdo it, but a good healthy exercise routine. It's tricky. I mean, aging is tricky. I hear this a lot from women who are coming in who are in their 50s and 60s and they're like, oh, aging is so hard, you know, blah, blah, blah.
00:44:58
Speaker
I get it. I totally get it. But it's also a little bit of a first world problem, right? Like, I mean, if you're caring about putting food on the table and really caring for your family and you don't really have time to sit and look at yourself in the mirror, you're Probably not going to bother you as much. And now what's your thoughts on pre preventative measures versus radical?
00:45:21
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And there's five treatments. Do we want to rate these together or you want to rate them since you're the expert? Let's talk about preventative versus radical first, just like quick. And then we can we can go through those treatments. yeah Maybe we can like read rate them on a scale of one to 10 or something. Yes.
00:45:36
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yeah So preventative versus radical. I think that in each decade of your life, there are things that are appropriate. And I'm talking about general numbers, right? I'm talking about averages. I'm not talking about like extremes on one end or the other, right?
00:45:52
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So I think that in your 20s, you really should be vested in just good skin care and a healthy diet, right? Maybe by your late 20s, you're starting to see some lines and it's not unreasonable to do a little Botox.
00:46:08
Speaker
Or maybe you are just anatomically like you want a little bit of a fuller lip because, you know, you were born with thin lips and you just want a little more volume. It'll make your face look more balanced. You want to get a little lip filler.
00:46:19
Speaker
Fine. I have no objection to these subtle things as long as you're not don't have any, you know, actual body dysmorphia. In your 30s, you're going to start to see a little bit more sun damage. You're going to start losing a little bit of volume in your face.
00:46:34
Speaker
So I think adding on some lasers and you know maybe a little filler, sprinkle here and there, continuing with maybe a little Botox, some skincare, fine.
00:46:45
Speaker
Right. But it's ah usually uncommon to get anything done surgically unless it's for something that you were, again, born with. You had bags under your eyes since you were a kid and not and you want to get rid of them.
00:46:57
Speaker
I have patients in their 20s and 30s. Same thing goes for rhinoplasties. Right. A lot of kids get rhinoplasties in their late teens, early 20s, stuff like that. Breast reduction is a common surgery that you get early in life.
00:47:08
Speaker
But as far as like general, right? Then once you get into your 40s, you're going to start teetering more a little bit towards certain surgical things, right? So I see patients for upper blepharoplasty, lower blepharoplasty.
00:47:21
Speaker
There are a few exceptions where patients are going to get a facelift in their late 40s. Again, exceptions, right? 50s, kind of peri-postmenopausal, things really start to change.
00:47:33
Speaker
And you really shift where you have to make a decision. Non-surgical measures are not going to be as effective. So you either have to Get what you can, right? Accept the fact that some things are just not going to be able to get fixed.
00:47:48
Speaker
You can improve them, but you're going to look weird before you look better. Or you have to commit to something a little bit more radical. And that more radical aspect, you know, obviously becomes more of a necessity as you get older, if that's where you want to go.
00:48:03
Speaker
In terms of, so let's go through the procedures. Okay, great. So we're going to rate these, or I'll let you rate them, Botox on a scale of 1 to 10. For the right candidate, nine or a 10.
00:48:17
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For somebody who is, you know, anatomy allows for what we want to achieve, not somebody who's, you know, not going to get heavy or stuff like that. But done well in the right candidate.
00:48:29
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Amazing. Yes. Yeah. No, I'm a 10. You know that for that. Botox. More Botox now. Threads. Zero, maybe a one. So I think you get very limited.
00:48:42
Speaker
Again, these are my personal opinions. I'm sure there are people there who are, you know, who'll disagree. I think you get a very limited improvement for a short period of time with potentially a lot of downside and just not worth it.
00:48:58
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Like a one. Yep. That makes sense. And I don't know a ton about it. So I trust your judgment with the threads. Collagen drinks. I think for the benefit of like hair and nails and kind of that like multivitamin in a drink for like B vitamin supplements, that kind of stuff, I think great.
00:49:19
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I think for actual skin improvement, is gonna I'm going to say for hair and nails and that kind of stuff, it's probably like a seven. or For skin itself, like a two or three.
00:49:32
Speaker
I just don't think that enough of it will actually get to your skin by the time it gets broken down in your gut and everything like that. Yeah. I have a powder I put in my coffee that's a collagen, and I've been doing it now for a year, and I just keep doing it, but I don't really know if I've seen the results.
00:49:49
Speaker
I don't think there's a downside. And I think your hair is probably stronger and healthier and your nails and there is your bones. Like there's there's an upside. I just don't know that it's the way we think about it. Like, oh, I'm going to replace the collagen that I'm losing in my skin.
00:50:04
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Right. At home, micro needling devices. Again, I'm going to rate it like a one. I mean, it's, I don't think those home devices do much.
00:50:15
Speaker
I'm sure there are people out there who are going to be like, I use it and my skin looks great. Great. Keep using it. But yeah. And IPL. I love IPL. I'll rate it like, you know, eight, I think again, it's all about candidacy, right? It all, we can go through another hundred treatments. And at the end of the day, it's going to be, what are we trying to achieve?
00:50:35
Speaker
Does your face or your skin or whatever, does it allow for it? So you you know done poorly, IPL can cause burns and problems and or not be effective.
00:50:46
Speaker
But done in the right candidate, I think can be such a nice way to even out your skin tone. IPL or BBL, you know people offer different different things. But in the in the wrong candidate, like somebody who's prone to melasma, that can potentially flare up your melasma. So it's all about going to a knowledgeable provider who is going to offer you the right treatment,
00:51:06
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do it safely and about managing your expectations so that you know what you're going to get. That's it. Very simple. I always tell the patients that we're a team and it's, it's always a team effort. So yeah we have to do what we do, but then it has to work and and you have to do what you do for it to work. So it's always, it's always a team effort.
00:51:28
Speaker
Thank you. Well, thank you for being a ah guest on the Just for Moms podcast and taking time of out of your crazy day with your patients. No, it's my pleasure. Thank you so much for having me.
00:51:39
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Thank you.
00:51:43
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Moving into pits and peaks. Caitlin, do you have a pit or a peak this week? Oh, I have a peak. Okay. You guys kind of already know about it.
00:51:53
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but um So, you know, I have this obsession with animals. I found... at the spring has so many different animals than the than the winter has.
00:52:05
Speaker
And so ah the the place that we were ice skating up the street from our house is now just a pond, but there's all these trails around the pond and Arbor and I like to go and have picnics there. And so while we sat there, they have like everything.
00:52:18
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There's turtles, there's blue herons, there's ducks and chipmunks and hawks and And I could sit there for hours. So that's my peak.
00:52:29
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Have you guys seen Best in Show? Charlotte's face. Have you seen Best in Show? Yes, have. All I can think about is the guy rattling off all the nuts. And he's like, and there's yeah peanuts and walnuts and pine nuts.
00:52:40
Speaker
So that's Caitlin. She's like turtles and ducks and herons. Any raccoons? No. And if there was a raccoon during the day, I'd have to know. They're nocturnal. You'd be. No. Listen, if I get one, I'm going catch it and bring it to Charlotte, though, because I know you want it.
00:52:55
Speaker
You got to raise them from birth. And we were talking about it. I had baby raccoons in a trash can at our last house. You have a video. You missed your opportunity. Listen, and I was not, my love for them had not been forged because I hadn't, I don't know. The the algorithm on Instagram was not the same as the now TikTok algorithm.
00:53:13
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They were not cute. Like I remember tipping over the trash can to let them out and they looked back and hissed at me and they were little. So I think you have to get them- Like i mean maybe before they even have fur. I don't know. Like really little.
00:53:26
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Which doesn't seem right. um I just have to say this. I Googled why do I like animals more as I get older. And it's a thing. Like people as they age start to appreciate nature and the comfort that certain animals can bring you. And not just the ones in your home, but the ones outside as well.
00:53:45
Speaker
That's why you get into bird watching. was going say my dad has 17 bird feeders. That explains it. That's so cool though. Is it? My parents have six.
00:53:57
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I like my one. Yeah. All right. And we maybe the raccoons by you poop in the pond there. You never know. Set up a trail cam.
00:54:08
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ah Charlotte, do you have a peak or a pit this week? I have a peak. And it's just – I'm really having fun with my kids playing lacrosse. Three of them are into it. It was my sport. I played in college. I'm remembering how into it I was.
00:54:21
Speaker
was a long time ago. But I'm just – I'm having fun. i coach one of them, so that's been fun. i just built like a bounce back so they can really get out in the yard and like – work on their stick skills, but it's just, it's like this funny realm of like reliving your glory days, but also just happy to be part of something that you love.
00:54:41
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That's great. I love coach Charlotte. That's awesome. Yeah. Callie P or pick.
00:54:52
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i have a I have a pit. We were just getting off, you know, like how sicknesses like go through the house, but it wasn't even the same. My, my opal had, they called it a summer virus, which isn't even fair. Cause it's not summer yet. who does even but she had it Yeah. She had a fever for like five days and they're like, this is normal. But she just like, ah I mean, she wasn't sleeping. It was just horrible.
00:55:15
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And then she finally got over it. And then one of my kids got the stomach bug. like, and you know, middle of the night stomach bug up all night stomach bug. And so I'm just like, just recovering. I mean, we're all better now. But, you know, takes a few days.
00:55:30
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So much, so much puke laundry, you know, so yeah, yes yeah, yeah. Yes. I have peak, I kind of feel like Charlotte, because I had this space in our bedroom that we weren't sure if we were going to put shelves there or a desk and it was just a good amount.
00:55:49
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So I decided to have a closet wall unit installed because we need storage. Uh, my closet, I could take all to myself, but I unfortunately have to share it with my husband which is a bummer.
00:56:05
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So now myself, my girls, my son, we're all utilizing this organization. And it's great because now our closets aren't so jammed. And when you put the laundry away, you know, it's like everything's so tight now there's like a space. And I love, you know, we talked about this in the new year. I love to like purge and organize and have everything. So that's been a peak for me is that, you know, showing my age here. That's what makes me happy at 44 is a new closet.
00:56:36
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Have you posted pictures of it? I want to see how it looks. Yes. The post is coming this week. I was waiting for, you know, the suspense of the after. so Listen, I've been waiting.
00:56:46
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I've been watching. I saw yeah you planning out the space and I was going to text you privately and say, is this done? Because I would like to see it. Yes, yes, yes. It's the afters coming, so thank you for asking.
00:56:59
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can't wait. Yes. So thank you for tuning in to Just for Moms here, Callie, Caitlin, Charlotte, and Megan. Leave us a five-star review if you'd like. We do enjoy those.
00:57:11
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And, yeah, bye for now. Bye for now. Bye. Bye.
00:57:18
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how i've tried written down the words to say it is time i've been waiting five days to explain how you make me feel inside