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FRIGAY << REWIND: SLEEP IS TERRIFYING
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FriGay the 13th Horror Podcast is on SUMMER BREAK! We will be back in September with brand new episodes, but in the meantime, we’ve got some classic episodes with new forewords from your hosts.
This week, co-host Andrew brings you back to January of 2021 with EPISODE 48: SLEEP IS TERRIFYING! He’s also got an update at the beginning of the episode that will truly send shivers down your spine the next time your head hits the pillow!
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Podcast Introduction and Sleep Discussion Overview
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello Fraggy the 13th listeners, co-host Andrew here. If you listened to our last episode you know that we are on our summer hiatus. Yes, that means we're taking the month of August to recharge and just re-energize and get ready for
00:00:16
Speaker
Spooky season coming up, so new episodes coming in September, but for now we're going to bring you a rewind episode. I chose this one.
Exploring Sleep Issues and Dreams
00:00:24
Speaker
In this episode, we titled it Sleep is Terrifying. We talk about the Nancy Chronicles on Nightmare on Elm Street, so that's on Nightmare on Elm Street 1, 3, and the new Nightmare.
00:00:38
Speaker
And then in our horror in real life, we talk all about all like just sleep and how hard it is as you get an adult. And you know, I talk a lot about my personal struggles with sleep, with sleepwalking. I've even sleep showered for all you crazy people out there. And then the reason I picked this is because I have a new development and I'm hoping that anyone can maybe help me understand what's going on here.
00:01:04
Speaker
So, I don't know, when you're trying to fall asleep and you enter that one moment where you kind of know that you're finally falling asleep, you're in between kind of the trying to fall asleep and you're falling asleep, I've been having these crazy visions. I don't know if they're necessarily dreams or what, because it's right as I'm falling asleep. It actually happened one time when we were on our New England trip, Maddie can tell you all about how I wailed in the middle of the night.
00:01:30
Speaker
But I've been having these reoccurring dreams with a little girl in a red sweatshirt. First time she showed up, I had a vision that I was walking down our hallway at our house here and she ran past me into our spare bedroom and disappeared.
00:01:48
Speaker
And then the next time that I saw her was right as I was falling asleep. I heard some thumping kind of coming down our hallway and I knew that Michael was still asleep next because I could hear his sleep noises like, you know, that kind of like light snoring. And then I turned to look at him and she was getting into the bed with me.
00:02:09
Speaker
Both times I've been able to wake myself up, but it's just been really, really spooky. So I thought that this was the perfect episode to spend my frage rewind on. So there's that for you. If you have any suggestions or if you want to talk about it, hit us up on social media. So that being said, I'm going to bring you from January 24th, 2021, episode 48, sleep is terrifying.
00:02:39
Speaker
Andrew, I have to tell you about my dream I had last night. I remember it so vividly, like it was real. Sounds like it is really sticking with you. What was it about? There was this man. Oh, God. I see where this is going. No, no, no, no, no, no. Hear me out. He wore a dark brown hat. OK, go on. And he had this striped sweater on. And it was like he had a glove of knives for fingers. Knives?
00:03:07
Speaker
Yeah, and he kept saying that it was God. Anyway, he was chasing me around some boiler room and you can tell this guy had lived a life because he had these scars. Sounds terrifying. Well, you would think so, and I don't know if this is just because of the pandemic or whatever, but you know, I was kind of into it. Okay, that's where we shut it down.
COVID-19 Pandemic's Impact on Sleep
00:03:28
Speaker
It's episode 48. Sleep is terrifying.
00:03:38
Speaker
Be afraid. Be very afraid. We have some bad hombres here and we're gonna get them out. Bing, bing, bong, bong, bing, bing, bing. I love China. I just want them to suffer.
00:04:07
Speaker
Look what you did to him! I joined Donald Trump on the Republican ticket because I believe he has the right leadership and the right vision to make America great again. In 2017, a majority of Democrats turned into alt-left radical cycles. We'll get back to them later. I will build a great, great wall. I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the freaking frogs gay. Do you understand that?
00:04:47
Speaker
Now we're now weeks into the COVID-19 pandemic and medical experts say they're seeing an increase of cases when it comes to anxiety and stress which is affecting a lot of people's sleep but they do say that during these times of distress it's still important to make sleep a top priority.
00:05:04
Speaker
Wake up sleepyheads, it's time for another episode of Friday the 13th. My name is Matty. And I am Andrew. And we're here with episode 48 of Friday the 13th horror podcast. The podcast where we talk about horror in real life and in the movies from an LGBTQ plus some other things perspective. And today we're talking about sleep. So don't fall asleep. Actually keep, stay up, get the caffeine.
00:05:31
Speaker
Eat your instant coffee and chase it with some Diet Coke. Thank you. And don't go to sleep. In fact, never sleep again. See what I did there? Because we've got some really interesting things to talk about today for sure. And we're pairing this topic with what else?
00:05:48
Speaker
A Nightmare on Elm Street, doing the Nancy's Dream sequence. So 1, 3, and New Nightmare. My personal favorites of the franchise, if I do say so myself. They're the best. They really are. There's some other good ones in there. These are just my favorite. Without a doubt. So we're going to talk about that later. We're going to start talking with some certified terrifying items of this last half of January. So we've been keeping a keen eye on the news. We know that, of course, that horror is not just an escape.
00:06:17
Speaker
It's a mirror to what happens in our real world. And for the second half of January, here's some stuff that we found terrifying. As of this week, when we're recording, over 400,000 Americans have died from COVID-19 with a forecast of 500,000 total deaths in less than a month by mid-February.
00:06:38
Speaker
Only a hundred thousand more to go, you know, reach for the sky America. I mean, Andrew, you, you work in marketing in healthcare. Correct. You've been around, you know, not the hospital per se, but you've had to go into the office a little bit. Yeah. What are things feeling like? I mean, you have a key into this and other people don't give us some news here. Um, I will say that I was on a call with some, um, with some oncologists this week, which I know that that's not part of those are cancer doctors.
00:07:06
Speaker
But they were talking about kind of what the ICU looks like and how things are going. And to them, with the onslaught of the vaccine, which we'll talk about here in a second, they did seem to think that maybe this was the start of the end.
00:07:25
Speaker
Um, the, in the hospital that I work for currently or hospital system, um, the major hospital downtown, um, we only have about 50 people left in the ICU at this point, which is way down from like, I think at one point we were North of 200. Um, so there is some hope out there. Um, I actually get my second vaccine shot on Tuesday.
00:07:47
Speaker
So in just a few days from now. Um, so that is, you know, exciting, but also I was talking to some people this week, some coworkers that have gotten the vaccine and it's, it's really weird. And I don't, you know, I don't unnoticed my privilege in getting the vaccine this early.
00:08:04
Speaker
But it's also very strange to be some of the first people to be vaccinated, not from a science perspective, but from a sociological perspective. I don't know what to do. The rules have not been reestablished like we've been told through this whole thing.
00:08:21
Speaker
do, do I, can I go to restaurants now? If my, my quarantine is not vaccinated, so can I spread it to them? Like there's a lot of unanswered questions that you feel that you feel like, Oh, maybe I have some freedom now. But then you also feel like, what is that? What is the price of that freedom? And you don't know
Political and Economic Discussions
00:08:40
Speaker
what to do with it. It's really strange. I don't know how to really how to explain it. I think people are going to be feeling that as we continue to wade into this mystery of vaccines and speaking of,
00:08:50
Speaker
Vaccines in Chicago, where of course both Andrew and I are, are massively under resourced with only 34,000 doses coming into the city in this last week. The city has the capacity, just so you understand the context here, to administer 174,000 per week.
00:09:10
Speaker
City officials advise the vaccine will not be widely available to sort of just like normal folks until the end of May, which friends, that is five frickin' months from now. That's a lot. So, you know, thinking about that, it's something that, you know, it's on my mind, you know? And, you know, I'm lucky. I am a healthy sort of just like normal 38-year-old person. You know, I don't have any pre-con... You know what I'm trying to say? I can't get the word right now. Pre-existing conditions.
00:09:41
Speaker
PECs that I know of at least. But that's a long time to wait. Yeah, it's interesting. Also on that same call, some of the physicians were asking about, well, can our cancer patients are really at risk? Yeah, of course. And so they were asking if their patients can get vaccinated. And the way that the state is running it, and I don't know where everyone else lives, but in Illinois,
00:10:08
Speaker
It's really not rolling out very like it's bad. It's not smooth. Let's just say that. I mean, like literally Indiana is doing better than us. So go Indiana. Anyway, vaccines. That's it's tough right now. We all know that according to a CNN poll, 75% of Republicans do not believe that Joe Biden won the presidential election in 2020 as compared to only 1% of Democrats. I'm surprised it's even 1%. Um, only effectively 19%.
00:10:38
Speaker
of Republicans believe that Biden won legitimately. Awesome. And all that he has to say about it is that we should all work together. It is. I got to tell you, out of all the stuff that is going on right now, that's one of the crazier things that we actually do have to face is because we're not going to get, you can't just get rid of people. You, you,
00:10:59
Speaker
I don't know what the answer is. I have no idea how to move forward, but that's fucking terrifying. Anyways, for our final item in the terrifying corner, it is that over 961,000 Americans filed for unemployment last week. Total number of unemployed Americans is now at about 15 million people.
00:11:19
Speaker
And that is pretty fucking scary, everybody. It's really all that we have to say about it. I think I think you get the terrifying nature of all of that. But let's just hope that life gets a little less scary as we move on. Yeah. So let's talk about sleep. You know, with the onslaught of the pandemic, I can guarantee over the course of last year that everyone's been dealing with either probably not being able to get enough sleep because of stress or maybe getting more sleep because they're unemployed or
00:11:48
Speaker
You know, whatever. I think about how many people are using way more like substances. I mean, we all have. I was drinking a lot more. I was doing this, doing that. Cannabis is probably, use is probably on the rise. I'm sure just like straight CBD is too, you know? Melatonin. Andrew has finally quit using heroin, which is good. Finally. It was tough, but he got over it.
00:12:12
Speaker
Um, but yeah, so we, we've got a lot to talk about with sleep actually. And, um, this is a good thing, I think specifically for us to talk about too, because I've never been a good sleeper. That's just not who I am. But Andrew, you're, you're a whole other kind of special when it comes to sleep. Um, so why don't you start us off and start, just give us some of what
Personal Sleep Experiences and Listener Stories
00:12:32
Speaker
you got. Yeah. My, my relationship with sleep is really, uh, I can remember all the way going back to my childhood is where I fought.
00:12:40
Speaker
bouts of insomnia as a child. My coping mechanism was I would, I taught myself how to say the ABCs backwards so that I could. That's actually so hard to do. That's enough. You're actually freaking me out right now.
00:12:57
Speaker
Satan begun that freaks me out. Um, but no, I had to have like coping mechanisms that would help me sleep because I have one of those brains that if you don't, um, if you don't like fixate on one thing, it'll fixate everywhere. Yeah. And I can't sleep. Did, did your mom, um, ever get you help?
00:13:16
Speaker
with insomnia, just wondering. We were too poor for that, but I mean, like, did she ever like, did you ever like take a pill? No, I remember, I remember having counseling, but not for that specifically. Sure. But no, it was kind of just like self care, essentially. And then as an adult, you know, we've talked about it on the Halloween episode, I think a year and a half ago now that I did suffer from late stage sleepwalking. I was not a sleepwalker when I was a kid.
00:13:45
Speaker
I developed sleepwalking as an adult just a couple years ago, and we had a period of time where it was really bad. There was a time where I slept showered. There was a time where I woke up in the basement. It was pretty bad. Thankfully, that's really subsided. That is just wild.
00:14:04
Speaker
I mean, I never experienced it firsthand with you. I mean, I was around when stuff happened, but like, it's still wild to think about. Cause I've never happened to me. Like I can't even imagine what it must be like to suddenly wake up and you're not in your bed. You're not in your, I mean, like I've woken up at like, you know, I'll hook up before and I'm like, wait a minute. Where am I? But I've never woken up in like a basement. You know what I mean? Like that is terrifying.
00:14:29
Speaker
Yeah. And then the only other thing that I suffer from is sleep paralysis. That's something that does persist into my adult life, which it gives me the shivers right now, thinking about it. People that don't know sleep paralysis is kind of the best way to describe it is your brain wakes up before your body does. So like I'm conscious. I can see around me, but I can't move. Wow. Thankfully, apart from bad dreams, I've never had a
00:14:55
Speaker
Where I see things because I know a lot of people with sleep paralysis report that they see shadow people or that they feel a presence in the room Andrew no, we have some we have some actually some listeners stories. I want to go into that really close. Oh my god. Yeah, let's do it
00:15:11
Speaker
So on the topic of sleep paralysis and sleepwalking and all that stuff, we had a couple people on our social medias write in with their personal story. Peter from Twitter, he wrote, I think I was about 12 when this happened and I was asleep. So this is how it was told to me.
00:15:29
Speaker
Every now and then I would walk, sleepwalk around the house and say weird things. But this night it really freaked out his father. Um, I opened the door to my parents' room and walked up to my dad's side of the bed and, and I said, he's here to see you. My dad asked who I replied. God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Okay. So people out there, obviously Andrew and I make notes for every show and we just like we use them the entire time. I haven't read any of Andrew's stuff and I usually do.
00:15:57
Speaker
I had to walk away. That is fucking terrifying, Peter. Also, Peter, I love your name. I love the name Peter. If my kid said that to me, I would immediately, it's one of those things where I watch a scary movie and there's ghosts in the house going crazy and I'm like, go get a hotel. Right now, go to the best hotel you deserve it. That's what I would do in that case. But I would get my kid another room.
00:16:21
Speaker
Our friend Dr. Horror also wrote in, the doctor. When I was a child, I used to sleepwalk all the time. My mother's favorite story was about the time she woke up and I was standing eerily at the foot of the stairs outside of her bedroom. She asked, what are you doing? I mumbled, all those people. She sighed and said, just go back to bed, please. I screamed, but what about all those people?
00:16:45
Speaker
She firmly said, go to bed. I just said, okay, and walked away. I have zero recollection of this. I also have chills up my back from that. Thank you, good doctor, for your, for your story. And I love the name Dr. Horror too. You're welcome. And then also our friend Kels, who is obsessed with Kate Siegel.
Vivid Dreams and Sleep Disorders
00:17:04
Speaker
Um, she said, when I was little, AKA way before Viva Vendetta had even come out, I used to see a man with the V mask standing at the end of my bed during every sleep paralysis.
00:17:17
Speaker
Oh my god, I also got chills from that. This is all really chilling to think about. Kels, I want you to tell us more on Twitter. Have you seen this guy since? Is he in your dreams still? Do you think he's real? I actually want to know more about that. So as soon as you hear this,
00:17:34
Speaker
Get on the tweets and tell us. Twitter us. Twitter us. Tweet us. Twatter us if you want even. Those were great. Yeah. So was there any more from listeners? No, from listeners, but I had one thing happen to me this week and I decided to write it down. Oh, please do.
00:17:49
Speaker
Um, I, I am a very vivid dreamer. I'm not sure about you. How are your dreams? My dreams are, uh, as you might imagine, my dreams are very wacky. They're very, if they are tied to the, like the real world, the kind of like a normal sequence, it's usually something really boring. Like I'm like cooking or I'm at work or like something like that.
00:18:13
Speaker
Um, usually dreams for me, um, happen in like sequences. They will be recurring over a period of night. Oh, interesting. And continuation or repeat kind of like a repeat thing almost, but sometimes a continuation and it's often, it's very often for me centered around like a killer is there chasing me or something like that.
00:18:35
Speaker
And I have to like, I can't remember them. So it's hard to tell you, but I'm just thinking about broader themes. Like I have to like gather people together. I have to run. I have to like get away from this person. I will say I have been having a lot of COVID dreams lately where we're literally like there. It's like a killer is after me, but I, it's like me getting COVID is like the thing I'm trying to run away from. Have you had the dream where you forget your mask yet?
00:19:02
Speaker
Yes. Oh, and it's terrifying. Um, but the COVID, the COVID stuff is freaky because you, you wake up thinking that you actually did something wrong or like you forgot to do something and then you're really worried about it. And then you have to remind yourself I'm actually okay. It's a lot.
00:19:19
Speaker
So this week after we decided on our topic, I actually had a night where I had a very vivid dream. And when I woke up, I decided to write it down. The podcast got smiled on you. Um, so I'm going to tell you, I'm going to give you a little peek into my, my brain and my dream. And I have not heard this yet, folks. Um, so this is literally legit. I, I, you know, forgive some of the grammar or some, you know, cause I literally wrote this down when I woke up. Give it to us.
00:19:43
Speaker
I was following a girl who was part of a group of people that were slaves to another, a richer group of people running a place like a modern kingdom. Um, the elite were getting ready for their annual celebration, which included mass, a massive feast and celebration. My people were enlisted at to be the help at this feast. And the implication was that if we messed up even once we were sent to the pit.
00:20:08
Speaker
Girl, we work in class in our dreams too, for God's sake. A new boy is introduced as a stranger. Keep in mind, this was not a first-person dream. This was like me watching something kind of a dream. But he seduces the girl and suggests that they go swimming in a pond that is also the remains of an old abandoned village that was long killed off by the elite group.
00:20:32
Speaker
In swimming in the pool, an energy is absorbed into the young couple and they gain the power to control the thoughts of others. They amass through a bright light emitting from their eyes. This leads them to sharing the pond with their friends and they amass a small army.
00:20:48
Speaker
They come up with a plan to take over the upcoming celebration and use their new abilities to take over and kill the lead families. They facilitate their plan to some success, making some people sacrifice themselves in various ways. But how much of this energy leaves them not being themselves? And can they control their new power? And what is the intent of the boy who lured them into the pond? And what really lies within the pit?
00:21:13
Speaker
This is really interesting. I wonder how much of this is tied to you getting the vaccine. I don't know. Have you thought about that angle? No, not at all, actually. I think it's interesting. I wonder if like the energy is like the vaccine. Oh. And you're sort of wondering like kind of what you were talking about earlier. Oh, that is interesting. You know what I mean?
00:21:32
Speaker
I don't know. Well, isn't that kind of a crazy that I would dream that Andrew also like listening to you like I was reading along as you were as you were saying it, of course, I was thinking to myself, this is so unlike Andrew. This is like a dream I would never imagine you would have. But here we are. But yeah, that was my dream earlier this week. I can't wait to get drunk after we like to drink after we do these episodes, not during anymore like we used to in the first 10 episodes. But after I would like to talk more about this dream.
00:22:02
Speaker
Yeah. I also had a dream right after where I poured a milkshake on someone and then apologized for it. Oh, I'm so sorry. No, it was like, no, the dream was, is I was being harassed in line at an ice cream place. And so I dumped my milkshake on this guy and then I apologized to the workers and told them I would clean it up. Don't worry. This sounds, that sounds like, I wonder if that is some, um, remember you told, you told the story long ago about the guy at nuggin donuts. I wonder if it was about that guy secretly in the pit of your stomach. You know what I mean?
00:22:30
Speaker
Go back and learn about my harassment at a Dunkin' Dunkin'. Right, girl. I think you've got some more stuff here about sleep disorders, right? Yeah. So, um, also sleep disorders that, thank God, I don't suffer from this, but night terrors. What are those exactly? So night terrors are like the next level dreams to where you are being, um, physically, your, your dreams are manifesting in a physical way. So you're like thrashing and you're, oh, I see. It's, it's like nightmare and Elm Street kind
00:22:56
Speaker
Yeah, kind of. I mean, we've all had that dream where we think we're either slipping or falling and we kind of jolt awake. Sure. That's like a minor version of a night terror. I follow my dreams all the time. Me too. Not a surprise. I have a recurring dream where I slip off of a, what do you call those things? A water slide where I'd like go up on the side and just go.
00:23:13
Speaker
What are the dreams that you have? Anyway, um, as many as 10, so I'm going to tell you a little story about a UK guy. So this fact comes from friends. That means United Kingdom. Okay. Um, that's what UK means. As many as 10% of children in the UK suffer from a Pavar Nocturnus. Most grow out of it, but at least 2% of adults carry on having terrible, vivid dreams.
00:23:39
Speaker
So this is the story of Thomas. Thomas is from Neath in South Wales. I hope I pronounced all that correct. You got it. He actually, although in Welsh, that could be like Nate. I can actually see if it's something like that. UK listeners, let us know.
00:23:55
Speaker
Um, so basically what had happened is, um, Thomas had some issues that he took tablets for depression. Um, and that kind of suppressed, um, some of the more vivid dreams that he would have as well. You mean like pros, actors.
00:24:11
Speaker
But he was going on a trip with his wife. He's 59. She's 57. And he didn't want to take the antidepressants because it made him impotent. So they were going on a trip. He wanted to have sex. Yeah, with his wife. Him and his wife had been together for almost 40 years. They were getting ready to celebrate their 40th wedding anniversary.
00:24:32
Speaker
Um, and the first place that they stopped, they were in RV and the first place that they stopped is, you know, was a place that they were kind of harassed by some, what they call, um, and this is totally UK term. Um, but what do they call it? Boy racers? Yeah. Boy racers, which I can only imagine are like street car, like skidding out. They sound like it's like a bunch of pikes. Like it's like the one movie that we, we watched, uh, Eden link. Yeah.
00:24:58
Speaker
Um, so they were harassed by those. So they decided to move on. And so they went to their next spot. And, um, unfortunately Thomas had a horrible dream where they were being harassed by these boy racers and he accidentally strangled his wife to death. Um, it's kind of a crazy story, but he was arrested. Um, he was actually the one that called the police and he said, I don't know what happened, but I might've killed my wife.
00:25:23
Speaker
He went to trial and actually was acquitted just based upon all of the people that came forward and basically said, no, he's like a good guy. They had a cruise planned for their 40th wedding anniversary. He did not premeditate to kill his wife. This was an accident based on his sleep patterns. So it's just kind of a crazy story that you could actually carry out murder
00:25:49
Speaker
in your sleep. That is terrifyingly sad. Also, also there's a name down there. Do you see it with the D and the P? Yeah. I want you to try, try. So the chief crown prosecutor for the CPS David Powis Daffath. It's Daffath is his name. Daffath. Oh God. How do we know that from little Britain? Daffath? Oh God. That is a really sad story. It is looking at some of the notes you have here, the judge,
00:26:18
Speaker
in that case told him, you are a decent man and a devoted husband. I strongly suspect that you may well be feeling a sense of guilt in the eyes of the law. You bear no responsibility. You are discharged. Yeah.
00:26:32
Speaker
So apparently this, uh, my God, if this did happen, but, uh, you know, we're hopeful that he got some help so that he would not, you know, and that was just an accident, a tragic act. If I'm being honest, if that, if that, if I was that dude and I did that on accident, obviously I would, I would probably just kill myself. I mean, could you imagine having to live with that? And also like your, your spouse is gone. My God.
00:26:56
Speaker
Anyway, Maddie, I think you have some non-me or non-murder. Oh, you mean some other, some more depressing shit to talk about? Welcome to the Maddie department. I'm fun at parties, so when it's after COVID, invite me. First thing, just a quick thing on COVID. I did find an interesting study being done in the Atlantic. This was published in December of that last terrible year that we had.
00:27:19
Speaker
Interesting study being done now study just like eight of them going on of the efficacy of melatonin blocking the effectiveness of COVID-19 and there are some researchers who think that melatonin could be like a very serious blocking mechanism to you getting infected
00:27:40
Speaker
with COVID. Okay. So it's not, it's, it's getting infected, not managing symptoms. Correct. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So they're, they're doing these, you know, studies right now to see what's going on. Um, they sound incredibly interesting.
00:27:54
Speaker
You know, it's kind of late in the game, you know, with the vaccines here, but you know, who knows what that could mean for the future. Um, so yeah, that's in the Atlantic. You should have a look at that later. If you think about it, I was also thinking in the last week about, you know, I'm not a great sleeper.
00:28:10
Speaker
Um, I recently had a, um, just before, uh, Christmas, I had a pretty bad allergic reaction, um, to some, some supplements that I was taking. Um, and I got hives and Andrew saw them. They were awful. Um, but like when the, when the reaction really first kicked in, um, I had insomnia for two days. Like I could not sleep and it was.
Historical and Cultural Perspectives on Sleep
00:28:32
Speaker
It was bad. And I, I have a job where I, I, I have to be in front of people even virtually and I can't live like that. So it was, it was a pretty bad week. Um, it's gone now. Thank God I figured out what was going on, but it just got me thinking about like, because I was also doing like massive Googling. Um, as you might figure, which is never good. Yeah, right. It didn't, it didn't help me any. I can tell you that, but I was thinking about how ancient cultures might've slept and what that would have been like. Um, well, what I mean is like,
00:29:00
Speaker
Think about us right now in our modern lives. I mean, literally there are screens all day long. Yeah. And there's also like electric lights now more than ever for sure. And there's, there's, we have, we can play music whenever we want. And you know, outside my window, there are constantly cars going by and you know, stuff, there's always noise and sound.
00:29:18
Speaker
ancient people didn't have they didn't have that I mean they lived in largely a very quiet world there was a demon haunted world as Carl Sagan might say but it was also very quiet right yeah it was quiet so I didn't know I did you have it are you like a sound sleeper like I do you need to have something yeah yes I am too let me tell you why on that too not to go off on a tangent but my mom
00:29:41
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We all had clock radios. Like, clock radios were like a thing. Yeah, oh yeah, I had one. Like, I mean, we loved it. I still love my clock radio. 106.7 the peak, girls. But my mom loved WLS radio on AM. I forget the, I can't remember what, 890, 890 in Chicago. Is this, what's her face?
00:29:58
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Uh, my mom, no, no, no. Delilah. Oh, Delilah was on there too. Yes, it's true. But mom especially loved listening to art bell when she went to sleep. So we were, we would, she, we would both listen to art bell in our own bedrooms of course, and then talk about it the next day. Um, so in other words, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We listened to talk radio going to sleep. Now I listen to, I will say, Hey, Google sleep sounds.
00:30:24
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thunderstorm. I do thunderstorm all the time. And if not that I might put on like the guardian long reads podcast and put a sleep timer on that helps me go to sleep too. Um, but thinking about ancient people and how they would have slept, how on earth do you figure that out? Well, there were really smart people that had an idea. There are three cultures in the world right now that are accessible. So in other words, you don't have to like go deep into the Amazon for them, right?
00:30:50
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Um, the Hasda who live in Northern Tanzania, that's Simani who live in Bolivia and the sun who live in Namibia. Um, these cultures don't use electricity. They don't have electric lights. They don't have phones. They don't have computers. They don't have fucking Netflix. So it's kind of like the perfect people to get an idea of what it might be like. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.
00:31:14
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So they, they followed 94 people from these three different societies. Um, and it was really interesting what the things that they found, um, these people, they never nap. They don't set a sleep schedule around when it's a light out. Typically they went to bed about three hours and 20 minutes after sunset. And then they woke up before sunrise. And this was typical for all three of these very different groups.
00:31:37
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and they all slept through the night. And these are societies who are about, you know, like I said, about as close as you can get to our ancestors. And scientists found that despite the geographic and cultural differences, there was a pattern. They were relatively healthy and they all got only about 6.4 hours of sleep on an average day, ranging from 5.7 to 7.1 hours. And then they slept like an hour more when it was either colder or like really hot.
00:32:05
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Right. Okay. So what's interesting about that is that it doesn't fit like the eight hours of sleep that we all think we need to go with. Um, and these are people too, who like, they normally sleep outside or they sleep in like rudimentary huts kind of thing. It's not like they're sleeping in a big bedroom.
00:32:21
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That got me thinking about how we sleep. And like, you know, I recently just bought, and you just bought stuff from Brooklyn and right? Yeah. Well, we got it for, we got it for Christmas. Yeah. Yeah. Um, they were just my clients at my job. Actually, they were wonderful people. Their whole social, their
Sleep Aids and Wellness Industry
00:32:35
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sheets are great. This is not an endorsement. Seriously. I mean, Brooklyn, and if you want to sponsor us, we're into it and hi to the team. I know you guys. Um, but also too, it just got me thinking about how much we do spend. I just bought like a new duvet and a new down comforter and sheets and whatever else we've really doubled down on our comfort.
00:32:51
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Oh yes, but it's not cheap as you well know. I mean, how much are Brooklyn in sheets? If you get like a full set, probably like 500 bucks. I mean, that's, that's a lot of money for fabric, right? I mean, it's good, but I mean, come on. So how much are we spending to enhance our sleep? There was a fast company article that came out mid 2019, which was interesting to read also because it's pretty pandemic. Everything feels like an ancient tome, $70 billion worldwide market for sleep aids. And only 60% of that is for medication.
00:33:21
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And only 40% of that is the my pillow guy. Right. And that bitch is out now. Um, and that is projected to be at 102 billion for that market size by 2023. It's also kind of part of the $4.2 trillion wellness industry. Um, but none of that is working obviously, right? Like, I mean, if we could just buy stuff to solve our sleep, then it would be great. Um, so it's just something to think about too. Like, how are we going to move forward? What is a tenable solution for sleep?
00:33:50
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Because think about it, your screens aren't going away. They're going to get bigger. Sometimes they're going to get smaller on your body, but there's going to be more of them in your life. And so how do we start to sleep? Well, that got me thinking a little bit more. Do you see people? This is what happens to me because it got me thinking, wait a minute. I'm a gay person. Do I sleep differently than straight people?
00:34:11
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And it's actually true. I do. And there are studies that have been done. There's a lot of studies on sleep people is what we're going with here, but a lot of studies on sleep about, you know, obviously we know that gay people, well, I should say LGB, LGB people were leaving T out of this particular one because the study didn't focus on transgender people specifically.
00:34:33
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They're doing a separate study on transgender folks. But in 2018, there was a study in the Journal of Psychology of Sexual Orientation and Gender Diversity, analyzed a pretty broad range of data from 15,000 participants, 29 years old on average, all identifying as LG or B.
00:34:51
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and we know from other studies that gay people in general are going to experience poor health they are at high we are at higher risk for cancer for heart disease for pretty much you name it diabetes all of it because
00:35:06
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it's no surprise to anybody that when you are an oppressed person or when you have experienced trauma from your parents or from family or from society or whatever, you're going to find ways to counteract that, which might be drinking or might be whatever, but you're going to experience depression on a higher rate, all of that kind of shit, right? And all of that goes back to sleep because then you can't fucking sleep. Yeah. So blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't want to like, you know, kill a horse over this, but
00:35:33
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In that study, they're really thinking about, I don't even know what I'm saying anymore. Just let me go with it. But anyways, like they're really thinking about what if we really do spend time on, on getting gay people to learn how to sleep better. Yeah. I mean, like literally think about if there was a campaign, like every other campaign you see in like quit smoking campaign for queer people or stop drinking so much or whatever. Um, stop sucking so much dicks super deep.
00:35:58
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But like I kind of like the idea of that like an idea of a full kind of wellness campaign for LGBT people where like sleep is like Prioritized imagine yeah, that's an it's an interesting concept to think about you know you know I think you know the impact that it could have
00:36:16
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We didn't really look this up. And this is kind of our, our lack of due diligence on this one. Um, you know, we probably should have looked up like good ways to like sleep, like get yourself to go to sleep. But you know what though, Andrew, it's different for every person.
00:36:31
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Think about the ones that you do. For me, I will tell you that to get a good night's sleep, I'll just break it down like very easily. I have to work out. I have to watch something dumb before I go to bed. Like this is when, before I go to bed is always when I turn on that stupid reality show or stupid games of the moment.
00:36:55
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I get it. Like think for a lot of people it's probably like the housewives or like a bravo show in general. That one Christmas one that we were watching. Yeah 12 dates of Christmas like whatever so that I don't think about the craziest world. You just zone out. Yeah I get that. And I have to work out at least to exhaust myself a little bit because and it and
00:37:15
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in normal life before the pandemic, I think that we got a lot of workout done just from commuting because we, you know, walk to the train station, walk to work, walk home, blah, blah, blah. Now it's, I have to get a workout in. So I exhaust myself a little bit. And I also have to give myself time to go to sleep. Like I can't expect that when I lay my head down, I'm going to go to sleep immediately.
00:37:36
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I do think that you should have a charger of your phone that you can't see your phone because then you can't see people texting or anything like that. I'm really bad about that. So put your screens away. Sometimes I feel like reading a book sometimes helps me go to sleep, but I'm a sleepy reader. I mean, for me, sound helps. We've discussed that. Reading can help.
00:38:05
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I'm gonna be really honest. You have an overbrain. It's like overactive. My brain never stops thinking. If I'm being honest and let's just get maybe a little TMI here, but look, we all do it. One thing that really helps me go to sleep is masturbation. It just does. That works for you. And you know what? Like it tires me out. There you go. Now you know. That's your workout. And I mean, I work out earlier in the day.
00:38:33
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Um, and it also does kind of take you on a little escape. I mean, it's the truth of it. So like it exhausts your brain and your body in such a way where you do feel like a, it's so funny to talk about like a release. I mean, honestly, whatever happens and then I just feel a little bit drowsy after thank you. Now everybody knows. Yes.
00:38:54
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The what I do before I go to bed the common What is it the common thing that men get sleepy after sex? It's true. It's Honestly, it is it is it is funny as you become a waking sexual adults who's not in like your 20s anymore How much you know no offense to people in their 20s? Okay. I'm just saying we're a lot older right now
00:39:14
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um it is amazing how you do start to realize though like oh yeah all that shit's true yeah without a doubt yeah without a doubt the fucking shit's true anyway anywho that's sleep you know a little bit more about both of our habits now anyways that was an oddly personal episode you know i think people like that about us though um anyways we're gonna take a break i need some water it's water so you need some water for your dry road and we're gonna come back
00:39:58
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welcome back it's time for what you've been watching bitch what have you been watching comma bitch question mark i'm glad you asked i have been watching a few things oh my dear and i see that we both have one in common in common we'll do that one at the end yeah i'm a little pissed at you about it so we'll talk about that when we why are you pissed at me about it because you got a screener and you didn't tell me
00:40:09
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with everyone's favorite segment, what you've been watching.
00:40:18
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I could have saved $20. Well, no, when you, when you hear it though, you're not going to like it. Okay. Anyway, also it was one of those screeners why I just, I had the link, but it was actually, you know how I got that? It was one of the people that we follow on Twitter. I can't remember it, but he said like the day before it was like a link that he put out.
00:40:37
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Keep going though. Trust me, you got a better experience. Big time.
Media and Entertainment Reviews
00:40:42
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So my first one is on Disney+. Keep in mind, I've only seen the first two episodes. So I'm saving my full review until it's done. And I will preface that I'm not a huge Marvel person. I've seen all of the Avengers series. I think it's fun, but it's not like my end all. You're not a comic book person, really. I mean, I liked them, but it's not like my life, I guess.
00:41:05
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I watched, that being said, Scarlet Witch, who's played by the, oh my god. Tony Collette. No, no, no. Who are the sisters from Full House?
00:41:20
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I don't remember, um, the twins. Yeah. Oh, the Olsen, the Olsen, the Olsen twins is played by Elizabeth Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen. Yeah. But the Scarlet witch is played by Elizabeth Olsen. She is my favorite character of that universe. So Scarlet witch, um, this one just premiered is called Wanda vision. It's on Disney plus it's part of the Marvel universe. Uh, they released the first two episodes. Uh, I think there's two more now, but I haven't watched them yet just cause I haven't had time. Okay.
00:41:48
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Um, it's really interesting. It opens like a kind of like a, I love Lucy or bewitched where they're like in fifties. It's all black and white. Interesting. The first two episodes are completely in black and white. It's played like just like a sitcom, but there are little hints here and there that lead you to believe that there is something else going on. Um, and it's basically they, her and her husband vision, who is from the Marvel universe. Oh, Wanda vision. I get it. And her name is Wanda.
00:42:17
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Okay. Um, they moved to a new neighborhood in the fifties and they're trying to like keep up with the Jones's type of thing. Yeah. But it's so funny because you're thinking this is a Marvel show. It's going to be action packed. It's going to be crazy. The first two episodes are like literally two episodes of like a fifties sitcom, but there's like little things that they, that they are like, no, there's more beyond the surface. Did you like it? I loved it. I thought it was really fun. Um, if you don't know Marvel, can you watch it?
00:42:43
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Yeah, you can. I don't think you're going to get the full. Okay. Like what do you think it makes sense? Um, really fun is that Emma Caulfield shows up in the second episode. Okay. Anya from Buffy. Uh, I have not seen her in anything in a long time and I really like her as an actress. I was really appreciative of that. But yeah, if you have Disney plus and you're, you know, if you're Marvel adjacent, I think you'd really like this. WandaVision on Disney plus. You heard, you heard it here first folks.
00:43:10
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My first one is a documentary series called Surviving Death on Netflix. That sounds right up your ass.
00:43:17
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I gotta tell ya, it's really good. It is about near-death experiences, and it's about mediums, it's about ghosts, and it's really, it's highly interesting. It's also, we had a medium on the show, and we still have the episode up. We thought about taking it down, not gonna lie, because we discovered after we recorded this person, it was a really great lesson for us.
00:43:46
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that this person has beliefs that we really don't like. And I don't think our listeners like either, but it is what it is. Anyways, on this show, there are, there's a lot of different mediums that they talk to and they go into sessions. Like you watch these things happen and like you watch, you see some shit happen in this shit. And there are also some things that happen in this documentary series. It's not meant to be scary.
00:44:12
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that scared the fuck out of me. Like scary shit happens. I have never even heard of this. Is it new? I had neither. It was just like on my Netflix, you know, home screen or whatever. So it is new. I just don't know exactly how new it is. I think it's brand new. But it's really good.
00:44:27
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So it's, and it's also more than that. It's a, it's a show about like grief, right? And so many of us are experiencing grief in so many ways right now. I don't know. I could go on about it, but I highly recommend it. If you know, if you're not scared of thinking about death and I'm really not, I don't think horror fans in general are like. Highly suggest giving this, giving this a watch. I think it's four total episodes. Um, you know, it can be a little long, but it's really interesting. And it was better watching these mediums than the one that we have.
00:44:57
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My second one is for all you people out there that are looking for kind of that like Stupid shit like think pretty little liars desperate housewives like that kind of a show It's called tiny pretty things and it is basically ass dance. I
00:45:15
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Yeah, it takes place at a Chicago, which I did not know going into, um, filmed here in Chicago. There's actual locations in the show. Um, it's basically about a ballerina school, um, for like high school aged kids, I would say, um, like, so I would say probably like 14 to 18 type of a type of age range. Um, and in the first episode, and this isn't spoiling anything cause it's in the trailer, a ballerina gets pushed off of the roof. Um, and the rest of the season is all about trying to figure out.
00:45:45
Speaker
Damn. Who pushed her off the roof and why? That's some black swan shit. Yeah, exactly. It's it's this show is so dumb. So it's so dumb. But it's also like it scratches the lizard brain part of you that you're like, this is so dumb, but I want to watch another episode. Sure. So there's lots of actually like really good dance in it. The acting is sure.
00:46:11
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And it's not a surprise. I just want to tell you about one little part and I won't say any of the characters names or anything, so it won't be a spoiler. But there is a part in the show where they are driving in a convertible and they get into kind of not an accident, but like get run off the road thing. And one of the girls gets thrown from the convertible and is just like stands up like she's just fine.
00:46:32
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No, it's like what is happening? I mean, you know, maybe I'll be that lucky one day, but it's got a lot of really good LGBTQIA. It's got a lot of those kind of characters in it. Yeah, there's actual gay sex in it. There's like nudity is the gay sex hot.
00:46:48
Speaker
It actually kind of is. Do you see butt? Oh, there's tons of butts. For a Netflix show, it surprised me because there's a lot of nudity and a lot of sex in it. Everyone knows I love butts. If that's a show that you need in your life, I would suggest tiny, pretty things. We've been saying our DMs are open for butts. We've been saying that. You have been saying that. Yes, I have. Anyways, my next one is Bo Travai.
00:47:13
Speaker
It's on Criterion Collection. Go figure, I'm throwing one at you. A lot of you have already seen this movie if you're film fans, to be honest. It's a pretty well-known art house film out of France. It's all about the French Legion and Algeria and sort of just like...
00:47:28
Speaker
they're sort of bumbling lives together. This movie centers around sort of a really good looking new French legionnaire and his relationship with like the head honcho kind of like the two head honchos of this like unit of guys out in the desert.
00:47:49
Speaker
Um, it is a really beautiful film. It just striking photography. Colors are really incredible. The men are ridiculously good looking. I mean, they're all just like French dudes. Yeah, it's totally in French. Um, it's just this, this, it's a beautiful film. It's also beautiful.
00:48:10
Speaker
I mean, truly. Yeah, right, right. It's gorgeous. It's also really thrilling because there's a lot of sexual tension that is happening among all of these men. And you explore that and that's really all that it is. It's just a beautiful film to watch. Anyways, the last scene of the film is just
00:48:31
Speaker
Beyond perfect and I I'm not gonna say what it is, but if you haven't seen it, I highly encourage you to watch it It's on criterion collection the criterion channel if you subscribe I talk about criterion channel all the time one day They'll sponsor us for something. Maybe probably not anyways. It's still fun to talk about. It's a beautiful film watch it bow
00:48:51
Speaker
My third one was a movie that actually came out in 2020, but because of the pandemic, I think it had only like a short lived run in the theaters and then went to on demand. So it's the girl from 13 reasons. Why from now, I can't think of her name right now, but if the main girl from 13 reasons, why in the first season.
00:49:08
Speaker
This is about a senior class that all of a sudden, out of nowhere, they're sitting in class one day and one of their classmates spontaneously explodes. That's right. I wanted to see this. You know who loved this? Bo Ransdell loved this.
00:49:26
Speaker
And he's got good taste because it actually is really a great movie. The only thing I struggle with is I don't know how to classify it because I did see it on some people's best of horror movies. It was on Bose. I'm not sure if I would classify it necessarily as a straight up horror movie. It's kind of more like a romantic comedy with some dark humor, because it went places I didn't expect it to. That's interesting. But honestly,
00:49:56
Speaker
It's like a 90 minute just, I really enjoyed it. It's on my list. I really, I really want to see. You can find it for all you Comcast people out there. You can find it on for free on epics, which is their kind of solution to, uh, Oh God, what's the one they got rid of?
00:50:11
Speaker
one of those stars because they couldn't get it together with stars for some reason. I don't know. Um, but yeah, spontaneous. I would highly recommend it. I'm into that. Um, my final one before our final one is night stalker, the new documentary on Netflix.
00:50:28
Speaker
It's really good. I'm not going to say a lot about it because it's pretty obvious. It's about Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker. Great. I didn't know as much of the history that they gave me, so that was really interesting to know. I didn't know a lot about the human stories out of it either, so I thought it was really good. What's interesting to me is there's a lot of criticism out there.
00:50:49
Speaker
A lot about how graphic this was with the crime scene photos and with this and with that. I only heard that people like scared people. Yeah and like there I've seen some criticism that like it people think that this might glorify Richard Ramirez too much.
00:51:04
Speaker
All of that is bullshit. I don't know. I don't know how else to say it. To be honest, like he's a serial killer. He did really awful things. Those things got photographed. Sometimes you actually need to look at the shit that has occurred in life. I don't know what else. Sometimes you got to deal with it for real. Yeah. I mean, I'm just being honest. I thought it was good. Maybe a little boring here and there. It's, it's not, it's nothing like, um,
00:51:28
Speaker
Oh, the other one, the old boy, um, I'll be gone in the dark. Okay. Um, that, that was something so different. This one kind of tries to be that a little bit and it doesn't hit the mark and it's still good. Is this produced by Netflix? Yes. It's like a Netflix original or whatever. They call that now kind of thing. Interesting.
00:51:48
Speaker
Let's do the last one. Yeah. So we both in different ways, apparently. Let me tell you about that. We both watched Promising Young Woman and Carrie Mulligan joint. So I got the Focus Features Screener. It's a link. And it was one of those like, well, it's always the one thing. This is how you can only use it. And I thought I would be able to like beam it to my TV. Yeah, that was a no. So I had to watch it on my phone. Oh, that stinks. It was not. That's why I said like,
00:52:17
Speaker
I thought about stopping about 10 minutes in and being like, should I just rent this? And I didn't. But trust, like I said, you got a much better experience. Yeah. Without a doubt. And you know what? If you remember back to before pandemic times, we did a segment on the show called like, I forget what we actually call it, but it's where we are. Like, what's our most? We're looking forward to movies. Sure. This one. Yeah. But it got delayed until.
00:52:45
Speaker
Until they came, until they decided to put it out on Christmas. It was really really weird how this was done. I gotta be honest, I like focus features, I like their movies in general. None of this made sense with how they released this at all. Why you release this only to theaters to begin with?
00:53:02
Speaker
Like I look, if theaters go down, I'm going to be sad. Everyone is going to be sad. I fucking get it. But did everyone just forget there's a pandemic? I know. Like I don't understand. And in these movie studios and these directors who are just throwing a fit because they can't put it in a fucking theater. You know what? Life sucks right now for everybody. I don't know what the fuck to tell you besides get the fuck over it and put it on on demand. You're all richer than fucking snot to begin with.
00:53:31
Speaker
So just pay your people and I don't know what else to say. I'm done. Go ahead. Let's talk about the movie. The movie is good. Promising young woman. I did the, what are they, what are they calling this now? Premier at home? I think is what they're calling it. I paid the 20 bucks because I was like, you know what? I wanted to see this movie. I would have gone to the theater to see it. So I would have spent more, $20. Um,
00:53:52
Speaker
So I had kind of two different experiences with this movie. The first experience is when I first watched it in my expectations going into the movie. And because my expectations were not met, at first I was a little let down by the movie. But now that I've had time to reflect on actually what I watched,
00:54:12
Speaker
It's actually a really, really great commentary on like men and men culture and like how, and I won't even limit this to straight men. I think this happens in the gay world. Um, you know, sexual assault and how we blame the victim and how
00:54:30
Speaker
You know the Carrie Mulligan so just to give you a little bit of an update on what this movie is about Carrie Mulligan plays a young woman Cassie Which I I will say that this was not something that I came up with but I read if you think about it Cassandra ancient Greek times She was given the vision, but nobody would believe her interesting. Okay, I think that's a theme in this movie. Nobody believes her. Yeah
00:54:54
Speaker
So she lives with her parents. She dropped out of med school and she is kind of going to the coffee shop. She's going out at night to pretend to be drunk to teach men a lesson. That lesson we don't really know until a little bit into the movie, but kind of go from there. So that's the main plot of the movie.
00:55:13
Speaker
I, after I watched it and after I got over the fact that this was not going to be like the rape revenge horror movie, visceral, stabby stab. I got something to say about that though. Keep going. Once that was not it. And once I got over that at first, I was like, Oh, that didn't really go where I wanted it to. But then like reflecting on it, I was like, actually, it's a lot smarter than a lot of those movies without a doubt. Yeah.
00:55:37
Speaker
And so for me, like I did see some commentary from people that I really respect on Twitter truly. They might not even listen to this, but whatever. Um, that like, they didn't like how the subject was dealt with.
00:55:50
Speaker
I really disagree. I think that this is the movie that we actually needed right now. I think that we can have a whole bunch of really dark, down, depressing movies that go deep into the subject and we can keep doing what we've been doing and we should do those things.
00:56:09
Speaker
we also need a movie like this that is for me a revenge fantasy in the end and like could I'm not going to say what happens and it's not giving anything away that I'm saying this trust me but like what happens could never happen in real life you know that there's too many things
00:56:27
Speaker
But it's wonderful to sit there and watch. And we are two people that have experienced sexual assault before. We know plenty of people in our own lives that have. It's extremely angry and it pisses you off. I watched this and I got angry and it felt good. And when it was over, I thought about people that I know that have done bad shit and haven't had anything happen to them. No repercussions. And I just sat there wishing that what happens in this movie would happen to them.
00:56:56
Speaker
So I loved it for that aspect and I thought it was really smart and really well done. I thought like it even like good, even like the script is really good. Totally. I don't know if you've investigated this at all, but the soundtrack is awesome. It's fucking great to, um, complete with a Paris Hilton song on it. Fucking Jennifer Coolidge is in this and Molly Shannon is in this. Tons of people. I mean, like it's, it's really a, what's her face? Tammy, Tammy Taylor. What's her fucking Connie Britton? I mean, like.
00:57:25
Speaker
It is. It's got everybody in it. It's a good movie. Lots of talent. Carrie Mulligan is fantastic in it. She better be up for some first time director. Yeah. And it's woman director. It's a woman director. She's she's an actress. So she is. This is her first time directing. I loved it. I and I hope that you love it too. I don't know what else to say. Yeah. No, I totally agree with you. And like I said in my review, once I got over my own expectations, I could look back on it and be like, holy shit, that actually subverts everything.
00:57:53
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Yeah. And you know what? I think that's a good lesson. Andrew in general, for everybody, me included, like, what if we just left our expectations at the door? Yeah. You know, anyway, that will do it for what you've been watching. Bitch, we will take a short break and then we'll be diving into our greatest nightmares with our first movie, a nightmare on Elm street.
Detailed Analysis of 'Nightmare on Elm Street' Series
00:58:21
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The kids of Elm Street don't know it yet, but something is coming to get them. There's something out there, isn't there? You could just see cuts happen. What did that lieutenant? I don't know. There's a coroner got to say. He's in the John Pukins since he saw it.
00:58:45
Speaker
They're gonna kill me for sure. Did you do it? There was somebody else there. He was locked in a room with a girl who went in alive and came out in a rubber bag. No one knows where it came from or who it would visit next. Nancy, there's something wrong with you. You're imagining things. Nightmare on Elm Street. Do you believe in the boogeyman? No. Whatever you do, don't fall asleep.
00:59:15
Speaker
And we're back with our first film of the episode, A Nightmare on Elm Street. Part one, though. Andrew, dreamily tell us about, I don't know, just tell us about the movie. One, two, Freddy's coming for you.
00:59:35
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Teenagers in a small town are dropping like flies, apparently in the grip of mass hysteria causing their suicides. A cop's daughter, Nancy Thompson, traces the cause to child killer Fred Krueger, who was burned alive by angry parents many years before. Krueger has now come back in the dreams of his killer's children, claiming their lives as his revenge.
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Nancy and her boyfriend Glen must devise a plan to lure the monster out of the realm of nightmares and into the real world Directed and written both by Wes Craven production company was new line cinema. This is kind of what put them on the map big time Nancy is played by Heather Langen camp Glenn is played by Johnny Depp Tina is played by Amanda Weiss Rod is played by you that you pronounce that
01:00:26
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Honestly, I don't know. JSU Garcia. I saw it and I was like, is that really his name? But I guess it is. Uh, Nancy's mom is played by Ronnie Blakely. Nancy's dad is played by John Saxon and their English teacher is Lynn Shea, which is basically the producer's sister. That's why she's in this movie. And finally, Freddy Krueger famously played by Robert England. Rated R coming in at 91 minutes. This was produced in the USA. It came out the day I was born.
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It came out on November 16, 1984. Filming locations included Venice, Santa Monica, and LA. The budget was $1.8 million and this sucker in 1984 made $25 million.
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So Nightmare on Elm Street, Matty, why don't you tell me a little bit about your history with one Mr. Fred Kruger, and have you seen this before? What's your history with the Nightmare on Elm Street? I have seen all of them. I have seen the most, part one, part three, and that's actually it when I think about it. The other ones were never a huge interest to me, to be honest. Well, we did have a lot about part two in our podcasting career. We'll talk more about that for sure.
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The thing about Nightmare on Elm Street is that I like it, but Freddy's never been my thing. Okay. You know what I mean? Like I think folks in the, on the show, folks who listen to the show, no folks, folks on the show do know. Um, my favorite killer is Michael Myers. Okay. So Michael Myers and Freddy Krueger are two very different killers for sure. And just different circumstances, all of it, of course. But there's a, there's a quiet reserve.
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to Michael Myers, and it's like Jason too for that matter, that Freddy Krueger just does not have, because the motherfucker does not shut up. He's sadistic. He's just such, he's just like, he's sadistic to the point of just being like a cheese ball. Well, hold on. I do wanna limit our conversation to this specific movie. Okay, yeah, yeah, sure. So I mean, even in this first one though, what's interesting is I asked a lot of our listeners on Twitter,
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What about Freddy Krueger scares you or scared you or did he ever scare you, right? Like when you were a kid. Right. And so a very common thing that I saw or that I read actually is that people were scared of Freddy when they saw it on the poster or when they were in the video store and they saw it on the VHS or like stuff like that.
01:02:57
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Then they watched it and they weren't scared because he wasn't too scary to them. I think that was kind of the same thing for me, right? Like nightmare in Elm Street. I think when you're younger and you haven't watched it yet, it's one of those like mountains that you have to climb.
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Yeah, it's like build up. It's all build up and you're like, oh, I'm so scared to watch this. I don't know if I can handle it. Let's just, okay, I'm at my friend's house or now I've got to finally do it. And like you finally do it and you're like, Oh, that wasn't that bad. You know what I mean? Like it's a good story. Um, do I, was I have, have I ever been that scared of it? Not really.
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Um, but what I really like about the nightmare in Elm street films and just talking about this one, even right now, um, cause we're talking about three today. Remember is the way that they do explore dreams and what that really means. Like, especially in part three, we'll talk about this more. It's kind of impossible not to talk about just this one thing though, the dreams of children. I think that's what's, that's what's at play here. Children and teenagers, what they dream about and how they view the world and how they view themselves moving forward in the world as a part of the world.
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And there is something a lot deeper about that. You know, I mean, this, this is a very surface level horror movie, right? You've got a slasher who got burned. He's got crazy scars. He looks very scary and he slashes you with a knife and there's like hot teenagers around. Like it's pretty classic formula.
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But if we go a little bit deeper, and that's the stuff that I want to talk about more, there's some interesting shit there, I think. Yeah, for sure. You know what I mean? It's interesting to note that this comes from Wes Craven's own kind of nightmares. He read an article about a person that died in their sleep.
01:04:41
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And that's kind of what you know started his whole journey with a nightmare in Elm Street my past with this is actually So funny enough I actually the first nightmare in Elm Street movie I saw was a new nightmare
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because it came up. Well, if you think about the age, I am, you know, I guess you would have been what, like 10. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So that was my introduction. And that makes sense. And honestly, so the worst way to go into this because they make so many references to the original that you're like, what is this even? It's just, it's such a meta film.
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But once I saw that, I actually went to my local Suncoast video, which I don't know if you remember Suncoast. Oh my God, I used to love going to Suncoast. And I spent all of my money at the time, because I think it was like $120, to get the whole collection of VHS tapes that if you lined them up all next to each other, it made an outstretched Freddie. Do you still have that? No. God damn it, I wish you had that.
01:05:38
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Um, but that was kind of, and then I went back and watched all of them. Um, and you know, with the original, this is one of those movies and even up until my most recent watch, which was two days ago, I like this movie more and more. The more I watch it and the more I think about it, because like you said, on the surface level, this is a very run of the mill horror movie. Yeah.
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When you start to think about, wait, when is Nancy actually asleep? And when is she actually awake? And you start to like, think about the layers. The logic of it all is tough. Yeah. But so I'm of the mind. And after hearing, you know, many people talk about this film and kind of watching it for myself and dissecting, I think that there is a moment in this movie where Nancy is asleep for the rest of the movie.
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yeah sure um there's a part where um she keeps getting phone calls and um she unplugs the phone i think from that moment on you mean you mean on the bed yeah she puts the blue phone down in the bed yeah i think from that moment on she is in some sort of either a sleep or in between also can i just tell you one thing about that particular scene when bitch pulls out the coffee pot from under the bed
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I queen crack like her mom comes in and takes one coffee pot away and bitch gets up and she's like, Oh no, you miss this one. She's got a cop. She's got a bun underneath her bed turned on full blast. Yeah. Like I don't talk about the specifics of the movie. I'm sorry, but I had to mention that. I think from that scene on, she is asleep for the rest of the movie.
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No, I don't think I don't think she pulls Freddie out to reality. I think that's all in a dream. I think that's why she's able to set up all the booby traps so efficiently. And she has all of the elements right there at her disposal. Does this fit the theory? That's because I'm not super into this theory. I just don't know a lot about what I'm trying to say. Is this the precognitive theory that you're going with where it actually she's like she's the kid and the jury, this whole thing is the dream.
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No, you know what I'm talking about. I'm kind of of the mind that the first half of the movie is reality. Okay. And then it's just all mainstream. After that scene where the phone is unplugged. Okay. So it can't ring in real life. Right. And she says in one part of the movie, she says he's using my nightmares to go after like my friends. Yeah. I remember that. She says a tour
01:08:07
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And if you think about it, she is asleep almost during every death. She's asleep during. Interesting. She's asleep during Johnny Depp's death. Sure. She's asleep during she, she's in a nightmare state when she sees what happens to rod, but she's not asleep during rod. So that's the only one that doesn't really make sense. Let's just keep talking about this. So do you think, or do you even know, because I don't know a lot about the lore of this, to be honest, like did, do you think or know that Wes Craven did that purposely in the script?
01:08:36
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Do you think or know that he did that in directing purposely or do you think he didn't know or do those things on purpose? And it is just like a theory that fans have.
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I think, personally, it's probably just a theory. I don't think that Wes Craven, you know, RIP, that he ever really answered to those questions. We'll talk about that when we talk about New Nightmare, because that was a little tough for me. But this is the one of the series that I think is the, you know, I can't say that I've ever been truly scared by Freddy Krueger or any of the Namer and All Street series. I think this one is the scariest, because he's at his most
01:09:19
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non wacky, like what the wacky stuff that he does is like slicing off his finger and like slicing himself open and like that kind of stuff. I agree with you. There's, there's also, there is an authenticity in the first one that is missing in every subsequent film after. And they just, I, and you know, apologizing to anyone that really likes some of the later things in the series, I just think they start to get a little cheaper.
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The word that I would use is cheesy like I mean like I just hearing Freddie There's a lot of talk about like, you know Robert England created this great character and like Freddie is a classic character of course, but like what I wish What I really wish is that there just would have been a little bit of a subtler play I don't know like I
01:10:08
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I do think they do this in the first one. In the first one, for the most part, yeah. There are still some parts where I'm like, come on. I didn't have to do that. But from there on, it is tough. Yeah, that's what we all have to say. I will say there are a few frames in this movie that really did disturb me as a child. Which one is? Especially Tina's death. Oh, Tina's death is horrible. That's the other part, too, is like,
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you know we've established a lot of it is kind of formula but like Tina's death is especially for 1984 I was actually I did try to like I do I like to like put myself into the theater at that time and like imagine how I would have reacted everyone had to have been
01:10:50
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Fucking like out of their minds especially easy watching that happen on especially considering that the way that the movie is Outlined for you is that you you kind of are led to believe that Tina is your final girl Yeah, it's your main character and that's not gonna happen And she gets she's the first one to die first one to die and she her being dragged up the wall and across the ceiling all the while You know and Rod is just watching it, you know and like
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That's the thing too, when you really remember that these are kids, right? I mean, they're all incredibly good looking people, you know what I mean? Like Rod jumps out, he's in his whitey tighties for God's sake. But you know, you're watching this guy who's like a macho, he's the jock, right? I mean, Glenn is, he's like the greaser. He's the greaser, yeah, that's a better way to put it.
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So you're watching the greaser who's like this machismo guy in LA like in his underwear Watching his girlfriend that he just had sex with like get tossed around on the ceiling and blood going everywhere and he's powerless to do anything it is it is truly like wild I what I what I wonder
01:11:58
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about the about the teenagers being killed in part one and i don't know a lot about this maybe you know more but like in part three which i'm sorry to keep jumping around but it's kind of impossible not to today but this particular thing i think you'll get it part three is a lot of suicides well guess what was happening also a lot of teen suicides it's pretty clear like from real life where that inspiration might have come from in this one
01:12:20
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do you know was was there like a lot of child murders happening around that time was that part of what Wes Craven was thinking at all do you happen to know that so it's from my understanding there was uh you know this is the mid mid 80s so if you remember satanic panic a lot of like that kind of stuff was going around i do think that there
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The reason that Freddy Krueger in this original movie is not labeled as a child molester, he's labeled as a child killer is because there was a real child molester going around LA at the time. And they thought it would have been too much.
01:12:56
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And they would have thought it was in bad taste. So they change it to a child killer. So I do think that there was in this is kind of the age of that if you really think about it, this is like where we started to think like, oh, stranger danger and molestation and stuff like that. So yeah, I do think that there is some of that in the in the echoes of this movie. And can we talk about that a little bit?
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One thing that struck me on this viewing, and I really hadn't thought of it before, was Freddie is getting revenge on the people that killed him, murdered him. And one thing I thought about, because Nancy's mom talks about how she's like a Tennessee Williams character.
01:13:39
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She tells Nancy that the reason why Fred Krueger got let off is because somebody didn't sign a search warrant in the right place. Right. Remember? So like there, we are led to believe that there is a technicality that got him off of this case. What we never know, we really don't know, even with what we learned in part three, we don't know if Fred Krueger actually did it or not. We never learned that.
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we really don't we he is he's murdered by and i'm not trying to defend fred kruger i'm just trying to say like there it's another angle to think about here like we do in part six that's so far in freddy's dead there are flashbacks where they do all right fair enough but at least if we're thinking only a part one right and that's and that's
01:14:25
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If you remember, uh, in, in not to bounce around too much, but in the modern remake, they do, um, toy with that a little bit where they try to make him, is he guilty? Is he not type of thing? Because it's, it's a bit of vigilante justice. I mean, like, you know, the other part two that I wrote down in my notes was like, the mom says, I forget how many kids got killed, but she was like dozens or 20. I think she might've even said, had said 20 kids or that's in my head.
01:14:47
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Um, like this many kids got killed and like, nobody knows about the story. Like it's this like secret story. Do you know what I'm trying to say? And it's like, well, and I have something to say about that too. There, so there is a common, um, uh, fairy tale song that is saying one, two, Freddy's coming for you. Three, four, all the kids know it. So yeah.
01:15:07
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You haven't attributed that that maybe is right is going on. Yeah, I mean, like it's I don't know. There are those parts that but once again, let's peel the layers of the onion. It is interesting to think about. I wrote out of my notes like is a nightmare on Elm Street a commentary on vigilante justice? Oh, yeah. In some ways it kind of is. You know, this dude who's who's apparently a terrible person, we don't but we don't know for sure does get beaten out and burned alive by, you know, vigilantes.
01:15:36
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What if that hadn't happened? Think about it. If you don't burn Freddie alive because the court didn't do it, you know what wouldn't happen later? He wouldn't be killing your children in their dreams. Well, he'd be killing them in real life.
01:15:47
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Well, not necessarily, though. We don't know. It's certainly not then, because he would have been too old to do it. It's another thing, too, is I'm watching Freddie, and I wrote down attributes of Freddie. He's skinny. He doesn't walk really well. He's not strong. He's not muscly. He's kind of like an awful killer in a lot of ways, you know what I mean? I don't know. That just got me thinking about a lot. If he didn't have the dream powers, he would be pretty useless. He would be worthless.
01:16:17
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Yeah. Some of my favorites, as I was saying, some of the parts that really scared me when Tina is in the body bag and she's calling out to Nancy, I think that's really frightening. The honestly, the whole school sequence, I think is screw your pass. So well done. The Lynn Shea is great. She's just ridiculous. You're going to need a hall pass. But on top of it, the kid that gets up to read from Julius Caesar,
01:16:45
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Incredible. Yeah. Really well done. Yeah. That was, that was well done. And then the way that his voice like dropped out and I actually, I did watch that on never sleep again cause he's on there talking about that particular scene. It was really interesting. But then moving out to the hallway, seeing her in the body bag and then seeing the body bag get dragged, that whole sequence was pristine.
01:17:07
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Yeah, so well done in horror. The part where she picks up the phone and the tongue happens that I remember when I was a kid that freaked me out a lot. Of course it did. Glenn's death really freaked me out as a kid. I'll tell you, Jack's up is so cute in this movie, too. His crap like I wish that Johnny Depp could have just stayed that way forever. Yeah, I don't like much anymore. Now he's just now he's just basically fucking Captain Jack or whatever the fuck is.
01:17:34
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I will say knowing that this was Heather Langenkamp's first big role. She does have a couple of line reads that don't.
01:17:42
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that aren't great. Which one? There's specifically one right after Tina dies where they are in, I think the principal's office. Okay. And, or no, no, not the principal's office. I'm sorry. In the police station. Okay. And the dad comes in and it kind of is like, it's established that the chief of police, police is her dad and that's there, that the mom and him are split up and blah, blah, blah. And he says it does. He says something to the effect of like, you don't even think that like you, you don't even know like what
01:18:13
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You don't even know how to take death seriously, I think is what he says. And she has a line read where she kind of just says, like, how can you say I don't take death seriously? But the way she's just like flailing about, like, I mean, you could just tell that, and you know, we'll talk about Heather Lane camp in general as we move on, but you can just see that she just gets better as an actress as it kind of keeps going. Sure. And there's also a really serious difference between Nancy and Kristen.
01:18:42
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Yeah in part three and I'm talking purely about acting right now. Sure. There's a I keep I'm sorry. I keep jumping around We'll do three. Yeah, just we'll just yeah, I that's it. I love you go you say something I love screw your pass. I think that that's great There's a lot of I like that and whatever you do don't don't fall asleep. Yeah, I
01:19:04
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Um, I think nancy truly does not care for glenn at all Because every time she does either I mean like the dude is trying to get his play on and she's like pushes him away every time like oh glenn stop it and also like Not to not to be weird, but it's our show We always talk about this kind of thing like there is that moment when he is on the bed in like his sweatpants There is a bulge there
01:19:29
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like a bulge and also um i kind of take i kind of take offense to your uh your synopsis because glenn actually does nothing to help nancy does nothing i didn't write that but that came but i think that that one's from letterboxed i'm pretty sure every time that nancy helped like asks glenn to help her in some way shape or form he fails miserably
01:19:50
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I feel like we should just hire somebody to write the blurbs for us from now on because the ones that come from IMDB and then the ones that come from Letterbox, sometimes one is good, sometimes one is bad, but in general, none of them are great. I'll be honest with you. Clearly, Nancy's mom is blasted throughout the entire movie. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
01:20:09
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I love the part it's it's it's she's just ridiculous it's really subtle and if you don't if you don't know it's got like a million bucks if you don't know it's there you don't see it but there's a part towards the beginning of the movie right after Tina dies and um Nancy's gonna go back to school yeah where if you don't notice it she pours vodka into her coffee mug in the morning and then when Nancy goes to like pick Nancy picks it up to go take a drink and she like slowly like grabs it and like pulls it away like no
01:20:37
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That's not your coffee. It's actually really smart. Some trivia about the movie. Sure. This film was shot in 32 days, which is actually kind of a long time if you think about it. Heather Lincoln-Kapp's boyfriend at the time of the shooting is credited for the Freddy nursery rhyme. Congratulations. This film made back its budget in opening weekend alone, not bad for 84. Wes Craven's original concept for Freddy Krueger
01:21:04
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was more gruesome. It was also older, too. He had an older guy in mind for it. Teeth showing up through the flesh over the jaw, pus running from the sores, part of the skull showing through the head, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That, of course, changed to be what we know it now. Amanda Weiss was handing out candy at her mom's house on the Halloween following the film's release, so it would have been Halloween 85, I guess, and was surprised to see so many trick-or-treaters dressed as Freddie. She eventually told one of them that she played Tina in the movie,
01:21:33
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But they didn't believe her. In the original script, Freddie's famous red and green sweater was red and yellow, based on the colors worn by a plastic man who, like Freddie, could change his form. The idea was that whatever Freddie changed into would be yellow and red. However, when Wes Craven read an article in Scientific American in 82 that said the two most contrasting colors to the human retina were red and green, he then decided to change the colors.
01:22:02
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Interesting. Um, a couple of other things I just wanted to point out really quick. Um, I like how the mom is obsessed with, um, with bath death. Yeah. She's like hundreds of people die like that a year. Even Nancy's like, what? No, they don't like also like how Nancy has a bath pillow. I know. I'm going to want one of those. I used to, I used to have a bath pillow. Oh, really?
01:22:24
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Well, there was a time when I wanted Baths to be a thing for me and they just aren't. I think the part where she looks at herself in the mirror and she goes, Oh God, I look 20 years old. I know. Girl, like, come on. I wish I had the skin of a 20 year old again.
01:22:41
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I love the part where she comes home from the long day, and Nancy's like, mother! And her mom just saunters out with a cigarette and the bottle of vodka, and is like, come on, I'm gonna show you something. And also, clearly, that woman has never smoked a cigarette in her life. You can always tell with people who never have the way that they hold it. It's really funny. Yeah.
01:23:03
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What do you rate? What do you stripe this movie? So we're going to call it that from now on. What do you stripe this movie? I like that. Okay. Yeah, go ahead. Um, so here on Friday, the 13th, if you've never joined us, we go on a seven stripe scale for the seven stripes of the rainbow, um, for the original nightmare on Elm street. I give this movie a 5.5.
01:23:23
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I'm going to up my score to 5.0. Nice. I like it. So I guess that that will kind of do it for A Nightmare on Elm Street. I'm sure we could talk about it for another hour if we could. But guess what? We're going to talk about two more. We have two other movies to discuss. So we will take a quick break and be right back with A Nightmare on Elm Street 3. Dream Warriors. It's 1987.
01:24:19
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Get ready to name your sleep skill because it's time for A Nightmare on Elm Street 3, The Dream Warriors. Matty, why don't you give us a plot synopsis and a little summary about the cast. If you think you're ready for Freddy, think again.
01:24:33
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It's been many years since we've seen Freddy Krueger. Now Nancy's all grown up, and she's putting her frightening nightmares behind her, helping teens cope with their bad dreams. Too bad Freddy's decided to herald his return by invading those same kids' dreams and scaring them into committing suicide.
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A Nightmare on Elm Street 3, Dream Warriors, was directed by Chuck Russell, written by Wes Craven, Bruce Wagner, and Frank Darabont. The production company, again, was New Line Cinema. That will be the case for all of them, actually. Nancy was played by, guess who, Heather Langenkamp. Neil Gordon was played by Craig Wasson. Kristen Parker, none other than Patricia Arquette. King Cade was played by Ken Sagos. Do you know how that's pronounced at the end?
01:25:20
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I don't. I think it's just segos. Joey played by Rodney Eastman. Taryn played by Jennifer Rubin. Phillip played by Bradley Gregg. Cute little Will played by Ira Haydn. Max played by Lawrence Fucking Fishburne.
01:25:35
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Lt. Thompson, Nancy's dad, returns as John Saxon and Fred Krueger again, played by Robert Englund. Dream Warriors was rated R. It's 96 minutes long. USA came out February 27, 1987, three years after the first, filmed in Los Angeles, budget of $4.5 million, cumulative worldwide gross of $44 million.
01:25:59
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No wonder they kept making this movie. I mean, without a doubt, they're absolute money makers. So Dream Warriors. I know that for a lot of people, this is kind of the peak of the series. I know a lot of people really love Dream Warriors. I really like Dream Warriors. It's a great movie. I think that Dream Warriors is the most, and saying this in the weirdest way, but it's the most fun. Like it just kind of goes.
01:26:24
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And what I really appreciate, honestly, about all three of our movies today, is that they just start. There's not a ton that you have to wait on. It just gets going right away. So we meet Kristen. She is an insomniac and eats coffee and drinks Diet Coke. And when we meet her,
01:26:48
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She's making a paper mache house. Yes. That's true. Um, and, uh, she's trying to stay awake for an unknown reason at this point that we don't know. Um, her mom comes home. Uh, it is obvious that Kristen comes from money. So she has like a rich heritage. Um, and her mom who loves to say on delay, which I, on delay.
01:27:08
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I wouldn't have been hurting forever. But also, keep going. Keep interrupting. Keep going. She then has a Freddie nightmare where the faucets come alive, which I actually think is a really good effect when it kind of grabs her. Yeah, I think the handle does. And then her mom wakes her up, and it looks like a suicide attempt. So she is committed to the local insane asylum where a plague of children, plague of children, a group of children. What? Did you just say?
01:27:38
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everywhere from now on we are referring to groups of children in more than three as a plague of children a murder of crows a plague of children i approve of this messaging we're gonna make that t-shirt too yeah um so she is committed by the way we love children keep going
01:27:54
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Um, she's committed to the insane asylum where there are a lot of other children who are experiencing the same types of nightmares, same types of suicidal tendencies as seen by adults. Yeah. You know, we learned later that it is indeed that they are the last of the Elm street children and that Freddy Krueger is still coming after them. Um, we also learn, uh, of a new character. Dr. Gordon is introduced along with his sidekick, the awful,
01:28:22
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doctor, the old lady, the old lady doctor. And they recruit Nancy, who is now a grad student, if I remember correctly, some hot shot out of Harvard to come and kind of investigate what's going on here. I think it is kind of funny that they're like, Oh, she's from the same town is where all this happened, right? And all this stuff happened to her in her life, but whatever.
01:28:43
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So she comes back to be a consultant and subsequently they figure out that it is Freddy Krueger indeed and they start to think, well, how can we use our dreams to fight back? And so they, you know, go through the skill drill and the kids have to learn powers and everything. And you know, it ensues. So Maddie, what do you think about dream warriors? Dream warriors is good. Um,
01:29:10
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where it's not good. It suffers in the soundtrack. Okay. The soundtrack is full of synth stuff that is not surprising for 87. Everybody knows this. It wouldn't have affected you back then. Today, watching it is definitely just a dating feature of the film.
01:29:28
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and it doesn't match that authenticity that we find within part one. That's just how it is. Yeah, I don't think that they use the original score to its benefit as they did in the original. Agreed, yeah. So, you know, that's a problem. But other than that, though, not a whole lot else. Like, when you dig down into this, like I was saying in the previous discussion, Patricia Arquette is fantastic for how young she is. Yeah.
01:29:53
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she she takes this role she's got a great scream yeah she's got a great scream but she takes the role with a real ferocity and reality she doesn't um give in to cheesiness she is always present on screen
01:30:08
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You can see that she and the other kid actors, for that matter, not kid, but young actors, they all kind of do it. They all really committed to their roles for this. For sure. I especially really like Taryn. Taryn's great. I've got a good bit of trivia about her too later, Jennifer Rubin. She was great. Phillip is great. Will is great. Joey is great. Joey's so cute. Phillip's sweet, cute Joey. I just got to say,
01:30:35
Speaker
His death is even to this day that death I have. It makes me score watching those veins come out of his arm. That is tough. It's really tough. Yeah, that is the one death, though, that I do have a problem with because it's so he is dreaming that this is happening. But in real life, he is sleepwalking. But he walks through a wall. Yeah, I know that the logic of Nightmare on Elm Street
01:30:59
Speaker
Waivers. It doesn't make sense. I mean, it really doesn't. It's you know, it's it is what it is. I do think what's interesting, though, about part three also to talk about is that it introduces faith and theology and it gives a theological basis for why Freddie is able to do what he does, which is his remains have not been buried.
01:31:21
Speaker
And it also gives him a little bit of a mythos. Exactly. Right. And those all go together with Amanda Kruger. But, you know, what's yeah. Right. With his mother, who is the nun and sister Mary Helen. Mary. Mary Helena. Yeah. Mary Helena. Yeah. Yeah. I just thought that was an interesting angle. I mean, it's not surprising, I think, to find that also in 87. There were other films at the time that were kind of, you know, touching on capitalizing on capitalizing on religious kind of like, what do we do with this kind of thing?
01:31:48
Speaker
Um, you know, it does, does it do religion smart? No. Is it, is it, is it, you know, looking at a deep theological look at what this could be? No. But does it work and give you an idea of why Freddie, like I said before, can do what he does and why this stuff is happening? Yeah, sure. Which I think is helpful.
01:32:07
Speaker
because it creates something more paranormal than we got in part one, or, I mean, we're not really talking about part two, but also part two, which is a whole other bag of beans. That's a whole other animal. So I think those parts are really interesting. I do think that John Saxon's performance could have been better in this, to be honest. Yeah, he's not in it a whole ton. He's not in it a lot, but, you know, it's hard to play drunk. I know that. He doesn't do it well.
01:32:35
Speaker
Yeah, in an actor of his caliber, you would expect him to be able to. Right. Yeah. And people who are just sort of like, oh, why is my daughter coming to see me? Like, enough. I did like that, not to skip ahead too much, but when he keeps trying to get away, like he was trying to find the keys. Also, that bar.
01:32:52
Speaker
That's gotta be the same bar that they used in part two for the leather bar, just with different dressing. It's called Little Nemos. It looks exactly the same. Well, Jake's bar is the bar from part two, which you see in Dream Warriors, the neon for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh, I never even put that together. Yeah, right. Oh, awesome. But I think that it's the same set, just dressed differently. Sure. I was thinking about that the whole time. That makes sense. I was just thinking about it. Keep going. I think that it's funny that...
01:33:20
Speaker
And I don't, I cannot remember in subsequent sequels if they start to do this again, but it opens with a quote from Edgar Allen Poe, which is misattributed. Oh, it is. Yeah. People are not actually sure that he, that he said that, but it doesn't really matter. It's a sleep, those little slices of death, how I loathe them by Edgar Allen Poe. Um, I think, uh, this one definitely is where the series takes a turn for kind of more of like goofy, um,
01:33:46
Speaker
Freddy Krueger he's still he's still a little scary because he can turn into that little fucking puppet and he can turn it's awful Like there is a lot of heartache thing. Yeah, there's a lot of parts where he's still really scary, but this also introduces kind of the one-liners Yeah, welcome to primetime bitch right like those kind of things like let's get high like that kind of stuff Just stupid. Yeah, and that's where it kind of like
01:34:11
Speaker
After this, Freddie is kind of the goofball, the killer that he eventually turns into. I don't know if you noticed this on Joey or not. Did you notice that he had a teardrop tattoo? I did. Yeah, I wrote it down. And then it just disappears. Also not a surprise. I think teen suicide around this time was being blamed on a lot of things. A lot of suicides were happening. It's not a surprise. I keep saying it's not a surprise, but it's not a surprise to any of us that it was weaved into this story about
01:34:43
Speaker
The tear on the eye would indicate to me that Joey was part of a gang. But it goes away. Does it go away? Yeah, it's only in one scene. Why did they do that? I don't know. No idea. I mean, if people don't know, the iconography of a tear tattoo is that you killed somebody.
01:35:01
Speaker
I think there's other meetings too, like if it's hollow or if it's filled in or whatever, but he definitely has one. It's clear, I wrote it down. And then it goes away. Which I mean, really just indicates like, I mean, he's a troubled kid. Yeah. Wrong side of the tracks. Yeah. And he has mutism, he can't talk, that kind of stuff. Joey's so cute though. I kept thinking that. I was like, God, you're such a little cutie. Jeez, OP.
01:35:22
Speaker
I did have a thought to myself that, um, so, so is he gonna, is he gonna have come and get him, bitch scars on him for the rest of his life? I thought the same thing too. I was like, that's just so much. It's those things that don't, I mean, I get it, it happens. And back then we just didn't think about it. So for those of you that have not seen this movie in a while, uh, Joey is kind of the one that is abducted and held at Freddy's, uh,
01:35:45
Speaker
captive layer or whatever and um to signal to heather that or to signal to nancy that you need to come in here to the dream and come get it because nancy's on the side of his of his actual hospital bed saying let him go he literally cuts into his torso come and get him it's a lot when it happens
01:36:05
Speaker
I really enjoy the other kids though. I think Kincaid is, I mean, first off, it's a more diverse movie number one. There's eight, there's black people and not just one of them. I mean, Lawrence Fishburne is in this for God's sake. And I don't know how to pronounce his last name, but I think it's Seggos, Ken Seggos, who's great. Kincaid is a wonderful character. He's an angry kid who doesn't know how to deal, I mean, obviously with his anger because he can't fucking go to sleep.
01:36:33
Speaker
Um, and, and it's really fun to watch him like become strong in his dreams. That's like his, his power. And I love watching, um, little Will in the wheelchair get to stand up. Yeah. Who becomes like in my, he's the first one to say in my dream.
01:36:50
Speaker
I'm a wizard master. Well, he first says, I think in my dream, my legs are strong. Oh yeah. I can stand up and like, it makes me kind of like choke up right now thinking about it. And this is what I'm talking about is these movies are, are so much more than just about Freddie. Yeah. It's about like kids and what they believe about themselves and what they can do. That's what dream warriors does best is it empowers them to fight back.
01:37:14
Speaker
Yeah. Unfortunately, it only empowers. I know it's, it's just, it doesn't work the whole way. It's just, it's, it, this movie is really sad to me because like, it is, it's terribly sad. Like with a lot of these movies and you know, slashers in general, you don't necessarily care that much about some of the characters in this one. We get so much, um, what is the word I'm looking for? So much like friend energy, like, like they're a group and they're all trying to work together and they're all trying to help each other.
01:37:42
Speaker
that when they just get killed off and nobody knows that they got killed off, it's kind of sad. It's very sad. It's certainly very sad for Taryn and Will, especially because they go into the dream to go get Joey. They've all banded together and said, we're all going to go get Joey.
01:38:00
Speaker
And they get, um, separated in the dream and they get taken out one by one. Only Taryn and Will are Taryn and will get taken out one by one, um, to kind of their own worst. Enemies like Taryn's death is really sad. And you know, Taryn's backstory is that she had some issues with drugs in the past, um, specifically probably heroin. Um, and.
01:38:22
Speaker
Freddie corners her. She actually does a really good job of fighting back at first. Yeah. But then once he changes his knives into needles, she's, you know, triggered right back to where she was. And he essentially doses her up and he killer when she looks down at her arms to her track. Oh, God, that part freaks me out. So it's it's terrifying. Suckling. Oh, it's it's a lot. It's a really sad death.
01:38:48
Speaker
I just don't think that she gets enough attention, to be honest. Well, I'll just say that while we're talking about it, I'll just say it right now. Jennifer Rubin has heard from many fans that her performance has helped them overcome drug addiction.
01:39:00
Speaker
I did really like that they included that scene where the, um, kind of grease ball, uh, security guy or whatever you want to call him offers her the keys to go to the like, uh, dispensary. And she's like, I don't do that anymore. Yeah. I just thought that that was a smart thing to include. Yeah. I mean, it was very real. It was very real. Um, like I said before the Freddy puppet freaks me. Oh, for sure.
01:39:27
Speaker
the the big worm um the worm is the worst also can we talk about jaja gabor in this moment hold on one second um just talking about the worm really quick that's actually one of my favorite parts is where kristen brings nancy into her dream yeah and she kind of falls back into that chair and just falls through the chair i just always have really liked that part
01:39:45
Speaker
What is the girl's name who gets killed in the TV? I didn't write it down on the cast, I totally forgot. I don't remember. I can't remember. Anyways, when that girl is watching the interview with Jaja Gabor and I forgot, I actually forgot about this part. And when I saw Jaja on the titles coming in to the movie, I was like, Oh my God, yes.
01:40:05
Speaker
I like how she's like in the main credits. She's like in it for like two minutes. I mean, she's Jaja Gabor. How could you not? Like, I mean, they're paying top dollar to get Jaja Gabor for a 20 second appearance. Like put her in the credits. My favorite part with Kincaid is where Kruger pussy.
01:40:22
Speaker
No, my report is where the nurse is like mandatory sedation starts tonight and he's like fuck you will He's amazing Also, I just really love There's a sweetness with Joey that I just love I've already said which I think he's really cute But there's that and then will there's something about will to that is really love Well in their relationship to where they like kind of stay awake for each other. Yes, totally. It's it's beautiful and hearing it's totally endearing and
01:40:51
Speaker
just, I don't know, will sane in my dream. I'm strong. It really just sticks with me every single time. Um, the one part that really got me this time is where, um, Nancy and Dr. Gordon have been removed from the hospital. They've been fired. They're like, go away. And, um,
01:41:07
Speaker
Kristen is being dragged off to be put into solitary confinement, to be drugged, to go to sleep. And she turns to the doctor, the evil witch bitch, and she says, you stupid bitch, you're killing us. And I was just like, oh, that hits tough. Because they don't know, they're trying to tell everyone. This is what's happening to us, and then nobody will listen. Nobody listens. And that's the moral of the story. And we see it with Nancy throughout too.
01:41:36
Speaker
Nobody listens. Nobody believes. Nobody believes what children are saying. Yeah. And what if we did? So towards the end of the movie, we learn that, um, Freddy's bones must be consecrated in, um, hallowed ground. So I gotta have holy water thrown on them.
01:41:52
Speaker
And that's another thing that I put in my notes. I was like, so can you just go and take holy water? I mean, you could go into a church and just take it. It's, it's right there. But like, I like how the priest, the priest confronts him and he's like, here, you can have my, you can have my driver's license, right? Like.
01:42:08
Speaker
you know those are the parts that you know i don't think there was a lot of thought put into that to be honest but like whatever i do love how uh when the but when freddy senses that his bones are in trouble he comes back as like jason la agronaut's like a skeleton and at the end
01:42:26
Speaker
when he cheers i wrote that down i was like why the fuck did they do that the other part of it though that i wrote down about that whole sequence is why didn't you just bury him yeah i know literally why would you hide evidence of your crime in the trunk of a car and a junkyard and i call
01:42:45
Speaker
a little bit of bullshit on him having the glove because his mom had the glove. Exactly. So like that, those are the parts of it that don't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I get it for the story. Of course. Yeah. Um, anything else about dream warrior? Well, and then at the very end, um, because John Saxon's character, Nancy's father is skewered onto the scrap of a car is the best way I can put it. Um, he comes into their dream and says he's passed on. Uh, that was also a little much.
01:43:15
Speaker
Well, the thing about it is I was like, did we need, maybe, maybe Heather Lane camp didn't want to come back for subsequent sequels. So she requested this. Um, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that we just vanquished Freddie, but then he comes back as John Saxons reincarnated and kills. Yeah.
01:43:33
Speaker
Anyway, anyway, but we learn that, you know, Heather Langen, Nancy is dead. It's Nancy's time on this journey is over. Yeah. Um, I did have in my notes too, when she first shows up, she looks like 45, like the way that they style totally. Right. It's only like six years later. And that, like, you know, that lovely, uh, suit that she's wearing. Yeah.
01:43:55
Speaker
I was a little disappointed that they didn't go anywhere with her and dr. Gordon's kind of like romantic Relationship because they kind of allude to it, but they never like I kind of wanted it like it makes her death a little more tragic Yeah, sure, but I think it's kind of I think it's actually kind of
01:44:11
Speaker
When we really think about this, it's almost like bold that they didn't do that back then. True. That's a choice. During her funeral, we do learn that the nun that has been helping Dr. Gordon all along is actually the ghost of Freddy Krueger's mom, Amanda Krueger. Who had been gang raped in a very awful way. Yeah, the story of that is where a girl gets trapped in the... It's gruesome. It's absolutely gruesome. What do they call him? He's the son of a thousand... The bastard son of a thousand murderers or something like that.
01:44:40
Speaker
Um, but yeah, I think that that kind of does it for dream warriors. I, I like Kristen would also like some gymnastics powers.
Wes Craven's New Nightmare and Meta-Horror
01:44:50
Speaker
Um, I, I striped this five also. Okay. So you gave it the same as the first one. I'm just slightly.
01:44:58
Speaker
lower on this one, just because I think that this movie is more fun and it's rewatchable more than the first one, but I still think the first one's a better movie. Um, so I gave it a, wait, give it a five, give it a five. Sorry. You changed your scores. I did. Yeah. I gave it a five. Yeah. I realized I was, I was a little too low on these. Okay. So that's, that's part three. Yeah. We're going to come back with film three and just a moment talking about Wes Craven's new nightmare.
01:45:26
Speaker
Now I remember why we don't do three movies anymore. It's a lie, girls. So, Heather, we're approaching the tenth anniversary of this whole Nightmare on Elm Street thing. I mean, is Freddy really dead? Look, Heather, let me cut to the chase. How would you like to join us in the definitive nightmare? I thought you'd kill Freddy off. I guess evil never dies, right?
01:45:58
Speaker
Can you come with me in my dreams? I think that only happens in the movies. As far as Dylan trying to reach God. Your son is apparently terrified of a man.
01:46:27
Speaker
You have to fight it. Whatever it is that's after him. You're going to have to make a choice. What kind of choice? Whether or not you're wanting to play Nancy. One must.
01:46:46
Speaker
We're back with our final film. It's three of three folks, and this is Wes Craven's New Nightmare. Andrew, tell us about it. This time, the terror doesn't stop at the screen. In this meta-horror film, a demonic entity uses the fictional character of Freddy Krueger to enter the real world in Torment, Elm Street Heroin, Heather Langenkamp, her family, and the cast and crew of the original film.
01:47:12
Speaker
Directed by Wes Craven, written by Wes Craven, produced by New Line Cinema. Again? Heather Langkamp as herself. Dylan is played by Mikko Hughes. Chuck is played by Matt Winston. Terry is played by Rob LaBelle. Chase is played by David Newsom. Wes Craven is himself. Robert England is himself. Sam Rubin is himself. And as the fun little cameo, Lynn Shea plays the nurse.
01:47:38
Speaker
Uh, rated R this one's the longest in the series coming in at 112 minutes. I was produced in the USA came out on October 14th, 1994. So almost exactly, almost exactly 10 years later, just shy of it, um, filmed in Los Angeles with a budget of 8 million and a cumulative worldwide gross was 19 million. So I think you can kind of see from the ebb and flow of Freddy Krueger that people maybe were a little done with that Elm street series.
01:48:06
Speaker
I mean, which makes sense. It was 10 years going on. And much like the Friday the 13th movies were kind of coming out every year. And also too, the movies had changed. In 93 we had Jurassic Park.
01:48:23
Speaker
You know, I mean, and around 94, I'm pretty sure we had like, I mean, shouldn't there's a list wasn't too far after that, or it might've been even before that. I mean, and like Twister. Yeah. Like things had really changed in film and I'm not sure how much people beyond horror fans really wanted to keep seeing Freddy Krueger.
01:48:40
Speaker
And honestly, it's really unfortunate because this is actually one of my favorites of the series. I think that this, if you look at it, it's kind of, if we didn't get this, I don't think we would have gotten Scream out of Wes Craven. That makes sense. Because it does have a lot of things that you kind of see, oh, that's what he took into Scream. It also has the same atmosphere as Scream 2. I mean, it's of course a lot older, but it has the same
01:49:07
Speaker
feel to it. Well it's not that much older when it's scream come out. 94 96 96 96 so I mean only two years later that makes perfect sense. So just to give a little plot synopsis this follows the real life character of Heather Lang and I don't know if it's characters right word the real life person that is Heather Lang camp who played Nancy Thompson.
01:49:28
Speaker
Um, it's following her and her real life and kind of 10 years out of a nightmare in Elm street. She's living in Los Angeles. Her husband is a special effects director. Um, and she's kind of just trying to live her life. Um, you know, kind of, she kind of eclipsed with nightmare and Elm street in the series. She hasn't really worked a whole ton since, but she has a child now. So she's focused her ways on that.
01:49:51
Speaker
and she's kind of being dragged back into the Nightmare on Elm Street universe because Wes Craven has had a new nightmare and he wants her to reprise her role as Nancy to fight Freddy one last time. That's kind of the synopsis of the movie.
01:50:08
Speaker
what gets written down is what is what plays in reality it's it's actually a little bit if you think about it too we wouldn't have had in the mouth of madness if we didn't have this movie either i don't think oh you don't think i don't think so because i i think in the mouth of madness relies on that same sort of like
01:50:24
Speaker
It's been a long time since I've seen that movie. The same sort of, I guess, MacGuffin is the word I want to use, I guess, or a same sort of device, right? Like what gets written in the Sutter Cane books is what happens in real life. And it's the same kind of thing here too. Like she discovers the script, she reads the script, and that's what happens right then. And she has to like find her way through it. And I love In the Mouth of Madness too.
01:50:43
Speaker
Um, so yeah, I think new nightmare is really good. I think it's, I mean, I just keep saying accolades. It's well done. Yeah. Like I think how they're like, I kept does a pretty good job in this. I think this is her strongest acting. Yeah. Without a doubt. Um, what's the, the babysitter's name? Julie. What is the actor's name? I didn't write that down for some fucking reason.
01:51:03
Speaker
And she's introduced in this movie. Who the fuck is she? I'd have to look it up. I keep talking. I'm going to look it up right now. Actually, Julie is actually one of my favorite characters in this movie. Well, she's an actress that we all know, too. She was. Yeah, she went on to play in many things, but she was also the mom in the Scream series for the first two seasons.
01:51:22
Speaker
Which is interesting because West Craven Scream. Right. Exactly. Yeah. What I really like about this movie is that they know that they are making their references and they make it very well known like Tracy Midendorf. Yeah. And
01:51:38
Speaker
The beginning of the movie is literally a modern interpretation of the beginning of the first one. And then we reveal that it's on a movie set and that the new claw goes haywire because it has the nerve endings of a Doberman in it. Yeah, exactly.
01:51:53
Speaker
and kills everybody, oh wait, it's a dream. Nancy's dreaming again. There's also a theme of earthquakes in this movie that take place. And big ones. How I kind of interpret the earthquakes is it's how Freddie is getting closer and closer and closer and more powerful. And those are kind of why the earthquakes keep getting bigger and harder.
01:52:17
Speaker
I like that there's, uh, one of my favorite scenes actually is the talk show scene because the guy will not give her any time to answer any of the questions. He just keeps like firing questions at her with that ridiculous audience too. Um, and then what I really appreciate about this movie and I'm, I really appreciate what's craving for doing this is that everyone, for everyone for the most part,
01:52:40
Speaker
Plays themselves, which I think is really interesting concept. Um, it's not just the cast either. It's also like the crew. So like Wes Craven, Bob Shea, like all these guys, they're playing themselves. Yeah. You know, Bob Shea is great in it too. He really is. Um, yeah. And you know, Nancy's getting, or not Nancy anymore. Sorry. Heather is getting all of these threatening phone calls. She's getting, um, letters in the mail. Um, she's very harassed. Um, and that kind of.
01:53:10
Speaker
This movie is really hard to explain because there's so much going on Sure that the filmmakers are in on and the audience isn't is not until the end exactly Yeah, so it's it's a little tough to like describe Did you know that that Wes Craven was thinking about asking Johnny Depp to do it? But he did but he never asked him and Johnny said like I would have done it if you would have asked me
01:53:32
Speaker
Well, Johnny Depp shows up in Freddy's Dead, so I wouldn't have done. I do wonder like how New Nightmare would have been different if Johnny Depp, if like Gwen or Johnny Depp would have been a part of it, it would have been interesting. I don't know if you noticed, but in the funeral scene, there is a couple of cast members from other movies. I did notice that Rod was there.
01:53:54
Speaker
Tuesday night, who is in part four, was there at the funeral. So there's like a couple of little cameos in that, which I think are fun. This is just like, to me, it's like Wes Craven's swan song about like, I'm letting go of this franchise in the way that I want to. It's because so many people took it away from me and did what they did to it. It's super creative. Yeah. Um, it's, it's an artist at work.
01:54:17
Speaker
It's not my favorite, um, Freddy Krueger look, I will say he looks a little rubbery to me in this movie. I wonder if that was a real choice though. Yeah. You know, like, I mean, sort of to kind of blur those lines between movie reality and reality. Sure. You know what I mean? Like, I think that would, that would kind of make sense to me.
01:54:35
Speaker
But yeah, I think it's a really effective sequel, or I don't even know if we wanna call it a sequel. It's like a meta-sequel in a lot of ways. It works way better than the other ones that we've talked about before. It works way better than part two, which you and I have a lot of experience with talking to Mark Patton. God, back in 2019, was that? And really kind of delving into part two and thinking about that.
01:54:59
Speaker
I, I also kind of wonder, like, I wonder if Wes did think at all about, about bringing in anybody from part two to this, like, it's kind of seen as the bastard stepchild of the franchise. Part two, you know, we, we have a kinship too, because we, it was really fun for us to, to work with when it, when it came to scream queen and everything else. But in general, part two just doesn't really, it's fine. It doesn't, it doesn't work all that well. Yeah.
01:55:28
Speaker
really it's just a totally different it's just very different yeah and it's unfortunate because there's such great people in it i mean you know mark is great in it blah blah blah anyways back to new nightmare um some i think that all of the deaths in this are really well done yeah i love that i i put in my notes when um the dad is driving back from palm springs and
01:55:49
Speaker
he's kind of having those moments where he's kind of dozing off of the wheel. The dozing off of the wheel scene, we've all done that. That is portrayed accurately. You roll down the window, you try to turn on the radio. You possibly can't stay awake and you just can't.
01:56:10
Speaker
when he like flicks his like the the his garage yeah i'm like oh this is a 94 movie like you know i mean it is a big deal i mean like it's it is going to the bulge i mean like let's get like filmed school about it right it is going straight to like where the male power is and like
01:56:29
Speaker
showing how actual, like how vulnerable it really is. You know what I mean? Like, no, it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. I mean, how does that, especially in 94, like, you know how many guys were watching that? I mean, we were probably thinking the same thing. Like, Oh my God, if there was a knife by my balls, how would I feel? You know, like that's part of it. Um, and also, uh, Julie, uh, the babysitter who was along for the ride is kind of the, um, advocate for our younger guy because Heather Langley camps running around town trying to
01:56:58
Speaker
Dude, God knows what she's always in her car going somewhere. Um, in a limo. Yeah. Uh, the part at the playground always kind of gets me, uh, where he, uh, what is the name of the little boy? I'm blanking on the Dylan Dylan. Um, he is at the playground and he climbs up to the top and he reaches out for God and he falls off and is caught by Heather. But that's a scary little scene there. He looks up to Heather and he said, God wouldn't take me. And I was like, Oh, that's really sad.
01:57:27
Speaker
What did you think about Mikko Hughes's performance? I I think Mikko Hughes is great in this I know a lot of people are a little wacky about his portrayal, but I mean he was the quintessential kid of like the late 80s early 90s cemetery He's an icon. I definitely got some PTSD from him trying to cross that freeway You know to Mikko Hughes has not
01:57:49
Speaker
really done anything else as far as I know in his life. I mean, I honestly hope he's okay. I did look at a couple of photos. I was telling you this earlier. I did look at a couple of photos. He's a very short person. Um, I do think it's funny though. In that, um, freeway scene, I was like, don't you think anyone would be reporting a floating child? Even, even for LA that's a bit of a stretch. You know what I mean?
01:58:15
Speaker
So this was the first Freddie film that you saw? Yeah, it was actually. And do you remember how you felt after watching it? I remember not really getting it the first time I watched it. I was like, I don't really understand. Which makes sense. And now that I look back, I'm like, duh, the worst one to start with. Yeah. But yeah, I think all the meta stuff has done really well in this. I think it's funny that they bring back like Lynn Shea in a very like. Love Lynn Shea. Nurse. She's just like a nurse there. Shaking those pills right there.
01:58:44
Speaker
She's such a fucking weirdo. I love her. There's some good sequences. I love when the head doctor is kind of, uh, Heather has fallen asleep. We don't know she's asleep, but Mico is kind of having a fit and the doctor comes in and she's like, I'm just going to have to open him up. And then it like transforms into Freddie. I thought that's really well done.
01:59:05
Speaker
Her band of evil nurses, I think it's hilarious. A lot. Because they all think that like Heather Langenkamp apparently is like mom of zero because they all think that they either she's molesting or abusing or keeping him up or like whatever. Which you could understand, right? Yeah, they take it a little farther. So for you two, I know when Wes Craven died, that was a lot and this has to bring that back up. Talk a little bit about that.
01:59:33
Speaker
Yeah, just seeing Wes Craven again, I mean, it just brings back, I don't know. I grew up in the shadow of Wes Craven. That's what, Nightmare on Elm Street, the Scream series, those were like the staples. So when he died a couple of years ago, it was really sad. And then just to see him so young and vibrant in this movie, it was like, oh man.
01:59:54
Speaker
we've got to do screen soon yeah we gotta wait we'll work it in somewhere we're gonna figure that out if anyone has ideas of how you want us to do it let us know but we gotta do scream too yeah there's a part in where she's talking to bob shay and he says well um
02:00:09
Speaker
She says to Bob Shea, Oh, that means Wes is dreaming again. And Bob Shea says, well, he seems really excited about it. And she's like the dreams. And he was like, no, the script. I was like, Oh, that's kind of clever. The way that they did that. I loved seeing his old ass computer too. It was actually kind of, it was actually kind of fun to see the green, the green. Oh yeah. Yeah.
02:00:30
Speaker
The only part of this movie that I'm not like 100 on is like the end sequence where they go into like the world. It's just so of that time. I mean, I get it. There's like I don't know if you notice this, but when she initially falls into the world, yeah, there's like a dragon or like a pterodactyl.
02:00:50
Speaker
or something like why i mean that's that like as a literal holdover from Jurassic Park the year before so and the whole tongue thing the tongue thing is a lot there's if i'm being honest there's too many tongues in Nightmare on Elm Street period there's a lot of tongue there's long tongues there's short tongues there's spitting tongues there's tongues in the phone there's split tongues there's spitting tongues enough of the tongue
02:01:13
Speaker
Yeah, I will say that this there is a part in this movie where I legit did jump and I kind of forgot it's when she is experiencing the earthquake and then she sees that her coffee maker that was on the bedside table is now in the closet and
02:01:28
Speaker
And she's looking in the closet and he basically like separates the clothes. He goes, miss me. And that part made me jump. Um, but I, I just think that there's a little bit of a lack of, um, fandom for this one. And I can't really understand why I think it fits so well into the, it's such a good period for the sentence for I'm not sure. I'm not sure why it, why it dips down. I don't know. Um,
02:01:58
Speaker
I really don't know. Hi, dog. It is a, like I said before, if there's anything about this movie that is, that if you take away one really great thing, is that it is just super creative, especially for the time. Like I said, it's Wes Craven as an artist at work.
02:02:16
Speaker
And there's something really beautiful about that. I think the way that you put it is, is great. It's, it's the period at the end of the sentence. It's just, that's how he wanted this to end. Yeah. Um, that's pretty lovely. I think, um, I did notice a couple of things, uh, the, she's reading all these different, um, medical books to see like what's wrong with her, her son, the one on AIDS. That was what I was going to put out there. The JAMA article of the year is about AIDS. Like, so that was topical of the time. Right. Oh, maybe, maybe it's AIDS.
02:02:44
Speaker
Well, no, I think that that was just so JAMA always puts out those books every year. The Journal of the American Medical Association. Yeah. And so that's kind of like their, their story of the year. Right. And so at this time in 1994, AIDS makes a lot of sense. And actually in 94, I believe that that was the highest year for deaths in the AIDS crisis. I'm fairly sure it might've been 95. We do get a resurrection of screw your past, which I think is awesome. It was ridiculous.
02:03:10
Speaker
Like how there's all these things in there where he's like almost there Heather and never sleep When Heather threw up it was a combination of clam chowder and bean soup which Makes me I like clam chowder, but that makes me one and you know fucking vomit, you know, it was cold So fucking gross Robert England has also said that this is his favorite movie of the entire series. Oh, really? Yeah, I know that yeah, I
02:03:36
Speaker
Um, and I think I understand that too. I mean, he has such a close connection to all of those people. I think everything that you just talked about is probably exactly how he feels too. Yeah. And we get an echo back to Tina's death with death of Julie. Um, I do like that line where, um, Freddy Krueger kind of goes up to Dylan and he goes, Hey, Dylan ever play skin, the cat. And he like does that little thing. And once again, horrific. Yeah. The part, the part where she is reaching out to Dylan and she's like, help me. And Dylan's like, Julie.
02:04:06
Speaker
that part gets me because we have a great moment with Julie where she is tricked into thinking that the the nurse is going to give him a sleep shot and she's like no Heather told me like no shots like nothing until she comes back and it's all a ruse because the other nurse has the actual syringe and she sticks Dylan with it and then we have a moment where
02:04:27
Speaker
She kind of is, uh, Pitting against the other nurse. And she's like, well, you know, what was in that syringe. You don't know what's in this syringe and what will happen to you. And I thought that was really good. There's also a really great part. It's where, um, Nancy comes back. Sorry. Heather comes back and she is seized that there's blood all over the room. And the one nurse is like, you can't go in there. And she kind of just like elbows are like, yes, go girl.
02:04:56
Speaker
Um, and, uh, I'm trying to think. I think that the reveal that the movie is within the movie is really smartly done because there's a part where John Saxon has been enlisted to help her find Dylan because he's escaped the hospital. And just subtly you hear him take a change where he all of a sudden is calling her Nancy. And then she kind of, after a couple of times, she notices it, she calls him out on it. She's like, why are you calling me Nancy? But then he says,
02:05:22
Speaker
Oh, why are you calling me dad or why are you calling me John? Exactly. And you have like a twist where you're like, Oh, this is, we're in the movie that we're making. It's very strange. I'll be really honest too. Like when that part of the movie hit last night, when I was watching this again, um, is when my edible hit too. So it was actually kind of like perfect timing. I was like, Oh yeah, this is great.
02:05:44
Speaker
I like the echo back to Hansel and Gretel with the breadcrumbs, even though in the book of Hansel and Gretel, the breadcrumbs get eaten by the birds. So that's why they get lost in the woods. It's looking grim out there. But I do like the sleeping pills thing. I think that's really well done, even though I was like, is she going to overdose on sleeping pills? That's a lot of sleeping pills. That's a lot. And you can die from those?
02:06:04
Speaker
Yeah, I do like the how like the the way to get to Freddy's lair, whether it's in the coffin at the funeral scene or at the end of the bed at the end of the movie, how it's kind of like a slide down was really done. I just really appreciate that. The whole funeral scene is terrifying. Yeah. And it's well done where he kind of is coming out of the coffin and he's like, stay with me, Heather. Yeah. I'm like,
02:06:34
Speaker
I Would have died in this movie because I'm not gonna touch that snake that Dylan no No, thank you I did think it was funny that they put a little bit of the psycho music in when he's trying to stab the tongue It's like which is I mean It's also like great that in 94 by the end of all of this stuff that they could do that Yeah, wrap in more of those things
02:06:54
Speaker
And I don't know if you noticed this, but the, the meta-ness, it goes into even the credits where Freddy Krueger is listed as playing himself. I did. I did not know that's pretty cool. Also, like I said, though, I was pretty high by the end of the movie, not going to lie. So, uh, I think that kind of does it for new nightmare. I think we talked about some interesting stuff. Um, that was a really fun progression to talk about it. Yeah. This, in my opinion,
02:07:19
Speaker
If you want to watch A Nightmare on Elm Street, I think that this is a great way to truncate, but also get a full story with the Nancy series. I mean, we can go into the, um, Oh God, what is Chris? We can go into the Kristen series or the Alice series. Um, but those didn't ever intrigue me as much as this one does it right. And watching these three didn't make me angry. The
02:07:43
Speaker
That's good. Like it just like, it felt like a good experience watching these three together. Yeah. Um, and if you've never done that before folks, you should, it works pretty well. Watch one, three and new nightmare. So what do you give new nightmare out of, uh, seven stripes, kept it a five, five for each one.
02:07:59
Speaker
I bumped it up to a 5.5. I enjoy this one just as much as the original. I think that makes total sense. But yeah, I think that closes the book on our trilogy of movies. That was fun. Yeah, it was good. We're going to come back and we're going to do another game. A themed game. And we're going to close out the show. So it's time, folks. Hit that sigh for the final run.
02:08:56
Speaker
And we're back with our final game, Nightmare on My Street. How would Freddie use our fears to kill us? What would our sleep skill be? Andrew, what do you think?
02:09:10
Speaker
Yeah, I've given this some thought considering I don't leave my house anymore. Right? He's really limited in his options, but I really do think that he would probably trap me on my Peloton and just make me pedal for my death. Oh my god, actually that is so horrific. Jesus, like your legs would fall off or some shit. Just think that he's going to use my Peloton against me for sure.
02:09:33
Speaker
Um, would that be your biggest fear though, that you think you would use against you? Well, I think he's using my fear of being obese against me. Sure. I get that. You know, it's, that was where my head was going too. I was like, he would like make fun of me and he would make me feel bad about my body. I think that he would probably like try to do it so bad that he would like make me like jump out of a window or something. Yeah.
02:09:54
Speaker
So maybe he would use like a childhood bully or like something like that and get me really scared that way. And that would be terrifying. Or I can imagine he would just put you in that, um, swim school speedo. Oh my God. Oh my God. But it would be really tight. Like I would, I would burst from the speedo. Oh my God. It's awful. Jesus. That's terrible. Or what do you think your sleep skill would be?
02:10:17
Speaker
Ah, sleep skill. Honestly, I didn't think about it until right now. What would my sleep skill be? My sleep skill would have to probably be talking him to death. That's what it would be. I would just confuse the fuck out of him and he'd be like, huh? And then he would just leave.
02:10:32
Speaker
I think, yeah, mine is probably like a smart aleck. Like, yeah, we have the same one. But anyways, that was fun. That brings us to the end of episode 48. What a fun episode. It was. I had a good time with this one. Folks, as always, we just want to call out some things for you to consider. First off, we're proud members of Legion podcast. So check out Legion podcast. If you have not yet, you can go to any podcast thing. You know what I mean? And look up Legion podcast. Great podcatcher.
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