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Episode 013 - Just Strothers w/Eric
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Join us for a very special episode with a very special guest. For lucky number 13, we have the one and only Eric Strothers joining us to go over our favorite movie soundtracks/scores/composers, a little bit of Bluey, and all of the tangents in between!
Check out Eric on The Sith List via https://sithlist.com/, Dinner with the Heelers via https://blueypodcast.com/, or on Twitch via https://www.twitch.tv/mouserat2217.
Thank you to our good friend Chris Hall for the amazing cover artwork!
Connect with us via our website https://justshillin.com or send us an email/voicemail at [email protected]
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Chapters
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:36 Eric Who?
00:16:03 What's New, Eric?
00:22:03 Favorite Movie Scores/Composers
01:26:21 Bluey
01:41:45 Wrapping Up
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Transcript
Introduction and Special Guest Announcement
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello and welcome to a very, very, very special episode of Just Shillin. This is kind of ominous because it's episode number 13 and we're doing it on a Friday, but we're hoping that there is enough positive energy in the room right now to overcome any of the superstition. To start off, I am one of your hosts, Sean Hoffman. And I'm your other host, Andy Bell.
00:00:28
Speaker
But we have a third today. We have another person in the room. We have a very, very, very special guest. And that is the podcast extraordinaire, Taylor Swift aficionado and top tier, bluey podcast expert. Awesome, generally awesome dude. Eric Struthers. How are you doing, buddy?
00:00:52
Speaker
Man, I'm great. I don't know that I deserve that excellent intro, but I sure appreciate it.
Episode 13 and Taylor Swift's Lucky Number
00:00:57
Speaker
And speaking of Taylor Swift, I do think it's fitting that it's episode 13 because that's like her lucky number and associated with her big time. And she dropped an album today. So yeah, but thanks for having me on guys. I am so, so stoked to be here.
00:01:13
Speaker
It's almost like we planned it. I think this is the quietest I've ever been recording with you, Sean, because at the moment I am Starstruck and in awe. I have been speaking via text DM and other messaging formats with Eric for
00:01:37
Speaker
I'd say quite a few years now. Yeah. Solid view, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we have never spoken ever. So at the moment, I'm totally fanboying out that we've got the heavyweight that is Eric Struthers on this call.
00:01:57
Speaker
I'm totally made up. I really am made up. And quite frankly, close to tears, which sounds crazy for a man of my age and my stature.
Eric's Role in the Podcast's Origin
00:02:08
Speaker
But yeah, no, I'm so stoked that you're here, man. I really, really am. And I could not have been more excited than I am at this moment in time to have you on our very humble podcast. So thank you very much for joining. Well, thanks, man. I should have given you one of these. Well, hey there, mister.
00:02:29
Speaker
Awesome. I'm a big fan of soundboard all day, every day. It's perfect. Yeah. Well, it's awesome to talk to you guys. You know, I've met Sean in person and we've got to hang out a couple of times. And Andy, it's, we talked about this before too. And it's a lot like how you talked about when you first met Sean.
00:02:50
Speaker
you would think that it would seem weird when you talk to people like finally, when you see them, you know, like right now, it's just by video, but it's still we're face to face as much as we've ever been. And it doesn't feel weird in the slightest as far as like in the big picture. It's like, yeah, cool. Right on. We know each other. No, it's it's just a different format. And it's it's it's you're right. It
00:03:12
Speaker
It's surreal, but also it seems very, very natural. So yeah,
Community Connections and Events
00:03:17
Speaker
I'm stoked. I'm really, really stoked. And I just want to explain to everyone that is listening, our many, many listeners, that the reason why
00:03:28
Speaker
Eric is our first guest, and this was very, very purposeful in that Eric introduced Sean and I to each other. And we categorically, when we turned what was originally a joke about should we do a podcast and actually turned it into reality,
00:03:51
Speaker
We said to each other, if we're very, if we're lucky to have a guest one day, it's gotta be Eric because Eric really is the genesis of this. Um, it's his fault. It's his fault. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, so blame him. If you've got any complaints about the podcast, please direct them to Eric Strava's because quite frankly, it's his fault. That's fine. Send him, send him my way. I'll read every one of them.
00:04:17
Speaker
But yeah, we were obviously, you and Sean are close already. You and I were talking to each other by one means or another. But I joined, for some reason, the stars aligned one day whereby I could actually join one of your Twitch streams.
00:04:38
Speaker
everyone that's listening, I'm sure, is listening to Eric already. And so therefore, no, he's a massive, massive gamer and broadcasts an awful lot on Twitch. And for some reason, I can't remember, maybe it was a particular day that I was working late or indeed he was able to finish work early. But the point being is I was able to join a live Twitch stream rather than
00:05:02
Speaker
rather than wait till later on and catch it up on playback. And it was just before Star Wars Celebration last year in London. And I happened to be going, Eric knew that. Sean happened to be going, Eric knew that. And
00:05:22
Speaker
in a very flippant way, he said, hey, you guys should connect. And I think, ironically, he was actually playing Survivor. You were playing Jedi Survivor, right?
00:05:36
Speaker
throwing chairs out of the window and getting frustrated as we all did with the game at the time. And as a result of that, Sean was the very first person I met from our expanded community of friends. He was very kind to agree to meet me in a hotel bar, which sounds in itself a little bit dodgy, but he agreed to meet me in a bar and the rest is history and it's all your fault, Eric. So thank you very much.
00:06:06
Speaker
Yeah, I'm like the tender of podcast hosts. That's me. No, it's so cool though. And that's something too that like in the podcasting community and going to cons and everybody's nervous if they've never been to one. And the number of times like I'm sure that you guys have heard it. Oh, I saw you at da da da, but I didn't come and say hi.
00:06:30
Speaker
And it's like, man, just that's what we're here for. And, you know, come and connect and let's hang out and do that. And it really helps take that edge off. And then once you've done it one time, then it's no bigs to go in. And so I'm so glad that you guys actually did meet up. And, you know, with Sean being the world traveler that he is, that there was no problem for him to just cruise over to another country and make a pal.
Overcoming Social Anxiety and Engaging Communities
00:06:56
Speaker
But for me, that would have been
00:06:58
Speaker
like a stretch, you know? So I'm glad that you two were able to do that. I mean, let's be honest, it was in my hotel.
00:07:05
Speaker
And I just, I was, I was already there. So I mean, I really didn't do much. Andy reached out. I'm like, man, you got a weird screen name, but Hey, let's hang out. Cause you know what? I even after all these years, I still had the jitters as a, a self-imposed outsider. I'm like, Oh, no one make this better if there's two of us. So then we can at least talk to each other and push each other to move forward because
00:07:30
Speaker
What's funny is is actually came up in in some discord conversations within the last talking about Japan and other celebrations. It came up recently of the realization of like certain groups of people. It's like, oh, oh, hey, we were all actually at the same events for multiple celebrations, but we just didn't know each other because we were
00:07:53
Speaker
all terrified. So we all just sat there in a room. Right. And the next thing you know, five years later, like the topic was was Chicago Steel Show there. And it's so funny now looking back five years ago, it's like I know the person who I was sitting the stranger I was sitting next to that day, and the stranger next to them and the stranger next to them. Now we all know each other I could have
00:08:15
Speaker
saved a ton of headache and stress and worry because we're all just normal people with common interests. And all I needed to do five years prior would have been like, Hey, hi, nice to meet you. I'm Sean. We're all the same names that we've seen a million times. But it's nerve wracking. And I think that's my
00:08:38
Speaker
my push and my ask of people, if anybody listens to this in the future and is ever in the position that I felt like I was in, and Andy and I've talked about a million years, like a million times over time, like if you ever, like, if you ever go to celebration or if you ever go to these events or if you ever see people like don't, we're all, we're all on the same page. Like no one, this isn't a cult of personality. I think there's a natural like,
00:09:08
Speaker
exclusion of people who are those big personalities who are maybe mean and not the greatest. It's like, that's not this group. Like, come up and like everybody I've spoken to over the years has been so nice, so welcoming. And it's like, I don't know why I expected otherwise. It's just like, oh, oh, that was, I could have done this in Orlando, however many years ago. And man, that would have been, that would have been really cool. But you know, we live and we learn.
00:09:36
Speaker
No regrets and happy for it. And on that point, while we're talking about celebration, bearing in mind that Eric Struthers is the busiest muck guy I know, that works harder than anyone else I know. He still has a very, very young family and having running around all over the place and certainly up the walls and everywhere. Any plans for Japan?
00:10:03
Speaker
In your spare time. I would love
Travel Ambitions and Experiences
00:10:09
Speaker
to go. For one, I've always wanted to go to Japan. My mom and dad went there when I was very, very young. Funny little side stories. My mom, you know.
00:10:20
Speaker
neither one of them could speak Japanese and she was stuck at the hotel while my dad was working and she wanted to mail something. And so she went and asked where the post office was and she went in the wrong building. I was wondering why all these guards were there. She was at the bank. She's trying to mail a postcard. I'm like, Oh, my mom, that's just so her. But unfortunately, because of well, mostly financial things, going isn't really
00:10:44
Speaker
realistic, but also because they keep having celebration on Easter weekend, which listen, I get it, but I'm a church guy and I, that's my full-time job too. And so now I could very well take off. I did for Orlando, but you know, that was what, seven years ago. So I'm probably due. I probably could. But, um, with it being the distance that it is, if I were to go to Japan for the first time,
00:11:11
Speaker
Ideally, I would go for two weeks and spend the first week just experiencing Japan, and then spend the second week doing Star Wars stuff. And I would want to take my wife and kids who would not care at all to be at celebration. Even my son, once he was there, he'd probably be like, cool. But my wife and my daughter would be like, yeah, we're good. So it's just not realistic. Now, lots of things could happen between now and then. I could win the lottery. You just never know.
00:11:41
Speaker
but unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I, I think you and I have spoken about this before, um, in one form or another, I, I'm literally flying in and flying out. And to your, to your point in an ideal world, and that's because Lucy, um, is, is, is studying. Um, and it's a finals for that, for a particular exam that she, or qualification that she's, she's, she's, she's, um,
00:12:08
Speaker
she's vying for studying for and it's just bad timing so i'm literally going in and going out which makes it a heck of a lot more affordable
00:12:21
Speaker
But I'm not going to experience Japan if I'm perfectly honest with you. I'm not going to experience the place. I mean, getting from here to Japan and the accommodation is a little bit, but not massively a lot more than what it would cost me from the UK to the US. So it's neither here nor there from a financial perspective.
00:12:46
Speaker
I'm resigned to the fact that I'm not actually going to see much of Japan itself. And I'm actually okay with that because to your point, if I was going to see it and experience it, I really would want to do it with my family. So yeah, no, I totally get where you're at. I totally get where you're at.
00:13:03
Speaker
And I was the same way with London too, because it fell on Easter, I'm pretty sure. And also I would love to come and experience London, but like the thought of not taking my wife and kids.
00:13:19
Speaker
That's something they would get a lot out of and you know, the only foreign country for me that I've been to is Canada It's it's not really a foreign country. It's America still so I would love to do that, but I gotta I gotta bring them Well, you know, you know when the kids are old enough because I can remember I couldn't I can remember my children being the same age as yours where I
00:13:48
Speaker
long-haul travel was not the best idea for young kids and they weren't particularly happy with the whole thing but certainly when they're at an age where
00:14:01
Speaker
they can travel, um, and can, and can stay relatively content. You know, you've got a place to stay over here. So, um, um, you're more always more than welcome to stay over here with family is, uh, I can't wait to play with some of those toys. I see sitting on that shelf back there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll lock this room, obviously. But, um, but, um, yeah, I know you're more than welcome here and you're more than welcome to play with. Oh, I've got to show you something. I'm sorry. I'm with Tony. This is completely off script.
00:14:32
Speaker
I'm sure you haven't had a chance to listen to our extensive back catalog of podcasts, but our mutual friend Chris Hall introduced me to bootleg Star Wars ties and I am totally addicted.
00:14:49
Speaker
to these really, really poorly made, really, really poorly painted bootleg Star Wars toys. This is Chewbacca in disguise, if you remember in Shadows of the Sith, Empire, sorry, Shadows of the Empire. Honestly, the guy's a bandit. He's got me totally, totally, totally fixated with
00:15:15
Speaker
with bootleg toys. Sorry, resuming normal service. Sorry, Sean. I'm not particularly professional, but you knew that anyway. Yeah, I don't know why you think I'm surprised. I'm actually shocked you didn't show them the eyeball. The eyeball is the best part. You kind of teased it there. It's like, oh, look how bad it is. But no, the eyeball is in the middle of its face. It's all like something close. It's like pin the tail on the donkey with a paintbrush just right in the middle.
00:15:45
Speaker
That is, oh my gosh, that is excellent. Yeah. So far. No, I can see it. That's, oh my gosh. Honestly, I've found a new, I found a new love in life and it's bootleg toys folks. So, um, typically what would happen now, Eric, is that we would normally just chew the fat and talk about news, which we covered on Wednesday.
00:16:13
Speaker
because he wants to make this call exclusive to you and all about Eric. But we would also follow up with what we're watching, what we're listening to, what's really getting us excited at this moment in time. So we've done our bit on Wednesday. So I was wondering if you wouldn't mind sharing with us what you're watching, what you're listening to. I think we already know what you're listening to. But what's particularly getting you excited at this moment in time? What are you looking forward to?
00:16:43
Speaker
So I'm one of 31. Yeah, we will discuss the new Taylor Swift album. Yeah, so Taylor Swift just dropped a new album today. And surprise, surprise, it turns out it's a secretly a double album, right? And so that's been quite good thus far.
00:17:04
Speaker
And I'm really excited to just like dig into it and give it multiple listens to where I can really let it
Entertainment Preferences and New Releases
00:17:12
Speaker
sink in. There's some great lyrical moments and so far so good. I've been enjoying the Bad Batch quite a bit. My kids, my son has sort of checked out on it. His main thing right now is watching gamers on YouTube.
00:17:31
Speaker
and none of which are me. They are all Minecraft guys who scream a lot, and it's not my bag. And I'm looking forward to the Acolyte. I realize this is a lot of Star Wars, but realistically, that's the most thing I'm consuming and looking forward to. The Acolyte is going to be a banger, I think. But something that we've been watching quite a bit of is The Office.
00:17:57
Speaker
And I know the series, it's gone, man. It's living the now. But we're watching the super fan episodes on Peacock and having a blast with them. And, you know, it's a show that I didn't watch when it was on, when it was new. I watched it the whole thing not long after the series ended. I was like, that was cute. And then years later again, we watched it and then we got done watching it and went right into the super fan episodes. And I.
00:18:27
Speaker
I'm sort of addicted to it right now. It's like a comfort food kind of thing where it's like, ooh, it's always nice to go back to and feel safe. We are.
00:18:37
Speaker
my family, extremely guilty of that, where we watched the same series over and over. We've watched Parks and Rec so many times that my kids would quote it constantly. And we're like a living meme, honestly. To the point, this is how much we watch Parks and Rec, is we went to a Parks and Rec trivia and we missed one.
00:19:05
Speaker
out of the whole thing. And the guy was like, I'm sick of you guys right there. We were crushing it. And we did the same thing with community. And right now it's the office. And one of the nice things it is, is that you can put it on. And if you get sidetracked with something, who cares?
00:19:24
Speaker
You didn't have to stay in it to win it and be like, Oh crap, what's happening now? I've been going through and watching the Netflix Marvel shows again, because I like, I never watched the Punisher. So I'm working on it right now. And I'm really digging that stuff too. It's, it's weird that I don't, I don't watch enough new stuff to really comment on the current goings on of culture, but I like what I like, you know?
00:19:53
Speaker
Good job liking what you like, man. Thanks. Ace job. Yeah. Yeah, they should. Like you, I didn't watch, I'm akin to the, obviously the UK office, which I enjoyed when it first came out. And I never saw the office with Steve Carell. I never, ever saw it. So it was only, it's only been the last six months that we've burned through it as well as a couple.
00:20:22
Speaker
myself and Lucy, and I loved it to the point where I've disappointed quite a few of my friends locally.
00:20:30
Speaker
And I'd argue it's better than the UK office, which is, um, I, I genuinely, I genuinely feel that way. It kind of dips off a little bit. It kind of dips off a little bit with, um, when, um, Michael leaves. Yeah. Um, it got a little bit funky and a little bit weird and it was trying too hard in certain areas. And I think that, um, uh, much as I love Will Farrell, I, I, I, that, that didn't land with me particularly well, but yeah.
00:21:00
Speaker
It really got back to its stride and certainly in my mind in the last season and I really enjoyed it. And like I say, the office is part of our institution in the UK and to say that I thought that the US version was better, it means something. It really does. It's a really, really good series. Community I love and I heard, they're making a movie, right?
00:21:26
Speaker
That's the word. Now, past them saying, yes, it's happening, I've not heard a single other thing about it. But that's supposed to be the deal, which I'm looking forward to that too. I really like that show.
00:21:39
Speaker
So do I, as long as it doesn't distract, um, Donald from, um, from the, yeah. Yeah. And he himself. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Was he Trey? Was he, was he Trey in community? Was that his name? Troy. Troy. Troy. Sorry. No, no, no, no. Funny as heck. Okay. That's good. So what we've done and
00:22:08
Speaker
Again, good job liking what you like, Eric. What we've done is when we have really esteemed guests like you on the pod, I mean, bearing in mind you're the first, so you are somewhat the guinea pig in this particular concept.
Favorite Movie Soundtracks Discussion
00:22:25
Speaker
What we've done is we thought we'd choose a subject to just talk about that's specific to
00:22:33
Speaker
to you and being a maestro and a musical genius that you are, we thought we'd talk about music in particular like that. I've been practicing that all week. We thought we'd talk about movie soundtracks and so hopefully
00:22:59
Speaker
you looked at your assigned homework for this week. And I want to talk to you guys about your top five favorite composers or bands and the movie or franchise scores that they pull together. Now, what brings us together as a trio is our mutual love of Star Wars. So I've actually created a role in the
00:23:28
Speaker
Whatever we talk about, it can't include Star Wars because naturally, number one, pretty much across all of us, I'm guessing would be John Williams. So with that in mind, I've suggested that we look outside the box a little bit and I'm going to ask each of you, including myself, in order, your top five, sorry, you were number five, you were number four, you were number three, and you were number one.
00:23:56
Speaker
who the composer or the band is, and what the movie or the franchise was that they're responsible for providing the score for, and the reasons why. And it's the reasons why that I'm really, really interested in, because in the five that I've chosen, there are some compelling reasons to why I chose them. And I hope you took it as seriously as I did. Anyway, our guest is first. That sounds like school.
00:24:24
Speaker
So we're starting with number five and I'm going to ask our esteemed guests first. You're number five, Eric.
00:24:41
Speaker
What is the composer band and what is the movie of the franchise? Okay. This was very tough. All right. And so four and five were like teetering for position. And you'll understand why once we come around to what my number four is, but I won't, uh, I won't spoil it. Um, and that is, uh, Bill Conti with Rocky.
00:25:06
Speaker
And, and honestly, when I think of Rocky, because of the theme was so prevalent in the first film, it really kind of encompasses all of that franchise. Because you heard it in every one and you guys know the one I'm talking about with the trumpet florist. It's so good. And then also when they started introducing like,
00:25:26
Speaker
song scores as well, you know, you had I had the tiger and living in America later on in the in the franchise. It's just so good. But Bill Conti and his use of horns and his use of like more
00:25:44
Speaker
modern instruments with electric guitars and all of that stuff. He just created some magic and nobody was really doing that. It was either one or it was the other at the time. And mind you, I was a wee lad when that movie was a thing.
00:26:05
Speaker
I didn't, so I couldn't make those comparisons myself at that level. But looking back, I can understand what drew me to it because I love symphonic scores. Obviously, Star Wars is a huge one, right? And anything John Williams does is so good. He is the Stephen King of the music world as far as being prolific and amazing every time. But also having like the modern
00:26:31
Speaker
rock instruments because I liked rock music as a kid. That one really landed hard. So excellent. Excellent. So it's a it's a it's a it's a good opener. Sean, over to you. All right. So I will I'll be clear that my reading comprehension is just as poor as my attention span. So I picked
00:26:57
Speaker
my favorite movies, scores. And then obviously I had to look up some of their composers because
00:27:03
Speaker
straight over the head. My number five, and obviously mine are from like a window of time that I think, to put it lightly, maybe I have less experience on this earth than maybe both of you. So I have a very smaller window. Yeah, your kids and your music. For one week, for one week, can you just give it a rest, please? No. One week. Never.
00:27:30
Speaker
So I think a lot of mine are very specific to, it's the music, but I think it also ties really heavily to the time of my life in which I watched it and I consumed it. So my number five is maybe not,
00:27:47
Speaker
the strongest like I also tried to kind of pick things I didn't think other people were going to pick. So my number five is the movie Requiem for a Dream. And the composer was Clint Mansell. Wow, excellent choice. The main reason is for Lux Eterna, like that song. Yeah, if if you don't know what I'm talking about, you'll listen to it like, Oh, I know this song.
00:28:09
Speaker
I mean, say what you want about the actors in the movie, all that stuff aside, the soundtrack and the score of that movie is, to me, it is the movie, 110%. The dramatic draws through the seasons, how the score is broken down into like summer, fall, winter, and just the breakdown of all of that is,
00:28:35
Speaker
I don't know, it's just something I still live with to today. Like I won't watch the movie again, but it's like, you hear that. It's like, Oh, I hear it. And it's like, Oh, it brings me back. I see, I see the scenes. I see the, everybody breaking down and that is, it has a lasting impression on me. I think it's fantastic.
00:28:56
Speaker
That's cool. That's cool. Heavy film though, but very, very cool. Very, very cool. I've got a bit mainstream. I'm really sorry guys. I'm already going out with the cheese. My number five is Howard Shaw and the Lord of the Rings. And I judge a movie score by its re-listenability. Is that a word?
00:29:18
Speaker
It's a word now, whether it... Yeah, why not? Yes, boy, it's real listenability in that there are a couple of movie soundtracks that I'll listen to over and over again, especially when I'm working.
00:29:32
Speaker
I don't know whether you get into that. I find it easier to listen to music when I'm working. I work an awful lot, as you guys know, behind the keyboard and behind the monitor. And having music that is predictable and soothing and many other things in the back of my mind,
00:29:53
Speaker
makes it easier for me to be productive and get stuff done. A genre is movie soundtracks. There are many, many movie soundtracks I'll talk about that kind of get me into that kind of mindset. And the Lord of the Rings trilogy soundtrack for me is one of those things that I can
00:30:12
Speaker
stick on at eight o'clock in the morning when I start work and it'll finish at six o'clock in the evening when I'm done because the whole franchise is so goddamn long anyway that it keeps me going. And there's a couple of tracks in there, especially towards the end of Return of the King, for example, which replicates an awful lot. I
00:30:34
Speaker
find an awful lot of the choir music in Lord of the Rings and especially when it comes down to the elves, the domain of the elves, I think is absolutely stunning. And yeah, it may be a little bit
00:30:55
Speaker
commercial but I don't care. I love it when... I'm trying to remember Liv Tyler's... She's Arwen, isn't she? When Arwen and Aragorn
00:31:10
Speaker
see each other again once he's been crowned the king of Gondor. There's a piece of music that resonates all the way through the trilogy that kind of comes to crescendo at the end of that particular movie that it just gets me every single time. And yeah, it's a little bit commercial, it's a little bit cheesy, but it's my list and I like it.
00:31:35
Speaker
Well, listen, I mean, and that's the whole point too, is that it's what stuck with you. And, you know, in choral music, this didn't make my list, it was a really tough one, but like John Powell with the solo movie soundtrack, the choral pieces that were Infosnest themes, what made that so powerful was the choir. And if you can look at behind the scenes recordings of them recording that, and it's just breathtaking to see it happen, it's so neat. Yeah.
00:32:05
Speaker
We're going to have to get you back, because what we'll do then is a top five of Star Wars, because we know that, you know, I mean, there's some stuff in that. I mean, there's in that soundtrack. Oh, God, we're going off a tangent. I'm doing this again. Sorry, Sean. In that soundtrack, there's a, there's a, okay. There's a, I think it's, yeah, I know, but I keep derailing all the time and I've got to do better. Um, uh, there's a, there's a sound, there's a, it's, I think the actual,
00:32:34
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I think the track's called Flying with Han and Chewie, and it's like a very melodic kind of... Once they've escaped Mimbar and they're going towards
00:32:48
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the planet to do the heist on the space train stuff. But it's a beautiful piece of music as that ship they've stolen comes in and it glides over the, oh man, every single time. Right, I promise not to derail.
00:33:11
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Eric. Yes. What is your number four, please? Okay. Well, I mentioned that it was like teetering on the brink and I was, the way I approached this is I thought about the soundtracks that meant the most to me and now let's look and see. Now let's, the second part of it is who are they by really, even though I knew
00:33:32
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My, what drove it was what did the soundtrack say to me? And a lot of it was because of, as Sean put it, a time in my life when those things are just matter more to you. And so this is Bill Conti again, but it's the Karate Kid.
00:33:50
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because they're completely different. The Rocky movies and the orchestrations behind it versus the Karate Kid, you would be hard-pressed to know it was the same guy because the instrumentation is all completely different and the approach is completely different.
00:34:08
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But one of the things that I loved about The Karate Kid is like the gentleness and his approximation of combining like the Japanese feel into what is very plainly American melodicism. But then I mean, we can't deny the impact of this, even though Bill Conti didn't have anything to do with it, is the song score.
00:34:35
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of the movies, of the original Karate Kid with Cruel Summer and, you know, obviously the best around. You put those together with the score, the movie score. Man, it's just hard to beat all of that.
00:34:53
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And to have a composer like him be able to do things that are so, in my opinion, polar opposites, because let's face it, the character arc of the Karate Kid versus Rocky, there's a lot of similarities to it as far as how it starts and how it ends. But it would have been easy to just go in and follow the formula.
00:35:13
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And he didn't. It was nothing the same. And that's really cool. It's a cool vibe he got in there. Yeah, I mean, it's like...
00:35:26
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you listen to a piece of music and you don't know, but there's a stamp or something quite familiar to it that you'd normally associate with, oh, that's a Williams track or that's a Hans Zimmer track. It's clearly... They have their personality within the type of music, but what you're saying is that this guy is so diverse that
00:35:49
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Quite frankly, you couldn't identify who, you're the same person. Right. No, that's cool. That's very cool. Sean, number four, please, my friend. Number four, in an effort to build suspense.
00:36:02
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For instance, Eric has made a Star Wars reference and Andy's made a Star Wars reference. I feel like I need to catch up. So similar to my favorite Star Wars movie not being Empire Strikes Back because I feel like that's a low hanging fruit and I have other favorites.
00:36:20
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This film is my favorite from this composer, which I believe is not the low-hanging fruit, and the composer is Alan Menken, and the movie is Disney's The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Specifically, the movie is goofy, and it's got some goofy stuff in it, but the soundtrack to that movie is a banger. Specifically, I mean, there's obvious hits like Out There and Topsy Turvy, but
00:36:49
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The greatest villain song from Disney, in my opinion, is Hellfire. If you do not know it, pull it up on YouTube. It is awesome. Love that soundtrack. Alan Menken's a genius. Obviously, with all his partnerships that he's had throughout many of the Disney Golden Era films, plus everything else that he's done, that is one of my favorites. I watch that movie specifically for the music.
00:37:18
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Awesome. Love it. A million percent. That's cool. That's cool. Um, my number four is a bunch of, uh, is various artists. So one of them, one of the fact it's a film that we talked about recently, um, between you and I, Sean, it's a film from 1990 called, um, hardware, which is a, uh, a very.
00:37:49
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I watched that the other day based on your recommendation. We haven't spoken about it yet, have we? No, we have not.
00:37:55
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No, no, no. So hardware is, Eric, just for context, it's a really cheap Terminator rip-off that was created in the UK. Actually, no, it's not. Sorry. It takes its origin from a very short story within a comic called 2000 AD, back in the 80s. 2000 AD, which was the genesis for characters like
00:38:23
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Judge Dredd, so Judge Dredd, ABC Warriors, Road Trooper, Strontium Dog, all those kind of characters that you associate with 80s grungy sci-fi. There's a short story called Hardware.
00:38:40
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And they created it in, I think it's 1990, let me just double check. Yes, 1990 film. It was filmed in the UK when Canary Wharf, which is the big CBD now for the UK, it's basically where all the banks were, high rise skyscrapers are in London. But at the time it was the old dock land, so it was quite a
00:39:07
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quite a rundown and deprived part of the UK. And they filmed this movie whereby it's basically a poor man's terminator, albeit it's a robot that's found in pieces that is sold to someone, the robot rebuild itself and then goes on a killing spree. I'll leave it to you to look it up. It is, in my mind, a masterpiece to most people.
00:39:35
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probably the worst film ever made of all time. But anyway, what got me really, really into it, and I've played on repeat, on repeat, on repeat, on repeat, particularly when I was studying. So I was studying also in the 90s as well at university. And so this thing would be on repeat because it was a mixture. The soundtrack is basically, I mean, there's not a score, it's a mixture of
00:39:58
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bands music, and it's a mixture of John Lydon, so Johnny Rotten from the Sex Pistols, Lemmy from Motorhead, Iggy Pop, and others, including Opera, for example, from Gioccino Rossini. It's insane. It's the most insane soundtrack. Like I said, think of Metal plus
00:40:29
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punk plus real high tier opera and a little bit of trance music as well. So it's quite, there's a lot of dance music there as well, all thrown in to create this very, very hodgepodge ensemble of a soundtrack, which kind of represents the ensemble of a film that it is. And I love it, and I love it, and I will still love it to my dying day because
00:40:59
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as Lucy knows, I'm going to be buried to the sound of the order of death from Johnny Rotten when
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00:41:09
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I meet my maker. Anyway. That's very subtle. That's, yeah. Bye, guys. Eric, we're on number three.
00:41:21
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Well, it's wild that based on your number four pick, this was almost my number five, and I almost moved four and five up to three and four. Oh my gosh, there's my dog, Barkin. So my number three, it's a wild pick, okay? And I bet very few people would choose this. But this is Brad Fido, I believe is how he pronounces his last name, and that is the Terminator franchise.
00:41:47
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And you know specifically Terminator one and into Terminator two. The massiveness of the Terminator especially Terminator one is that movie was made on like a two cent budget. We just watched that within the last couple of weeks and my son who is nine made fun of the effects. He goes the graphics are terrible. I'm like my dude.
00:42:11
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that was a model that they were you know doing all this stuff and but the music when you think about what he did with a synth it was all synth driven there's no organic instrumentation in there it's so good and the way it was able to just show like
00:42:33
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the future feels like this but also this desperation and all these things and then like suddenly there's this weird nod into where they in the first Terminator movie where they show Sarah Connor on her moped
00:42:49
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And she's heading to her job and it's like this real nice way that you never heard another thing like it in any of the Terminator movies. It's real nice melody. But yeah, and it was probably the first time you ever thought of a synthesizer as like badass.
00:43:05
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in a movie score form. And then when you take Terminator 2, obviously, and you add the song score to it with, you could be mine by Guns N' Roses and all of that, you've really got something quite special. So yeah, Brad Fidell and the Terminator, specifically 1 and 2. Love it. Love it. I'm trying to think of, I was trying to think of any actual
00:43:31
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contemporary song that's in Terminator. And I think you're right. What about when they're in tech? Do you remember Tech Noir? The nightclub they're in? Where he finally... Oh yeah, that's right. He finally confronts Sarah for the very first time. Uh-huh. And because she thinks that obviously Kyle Reese is... Is the guy, yeah. Is the stalker and it's not. And it's the first time you hear, you know, come with me if you want to live. Uh-huh. Is there a band that's playing there?
00:43:59
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There is. And man, now I'm so frustrated with myself because I did just see the movie. Oh, my gosh, I can't remember. And I even looked it up because I was wondering who it was. Oh, I can't find it. Dude, I can't find it. But yeah, great. You guys do your thing. I'll look it up because I also need to tell my dog to shut up real quick. Right. Over to you, Sean. Number three, please.
00:44:26
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Number three is probably one of my favorite movies out there. It's one of them. It's not my favorite, but it's definitely near the top. The composer is Alexander Desplat, who's done multiple Wes Anderson films and many other things. And this film is the fantastic Mr. Fox.
00:44:50
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It's one of those ones that I can put on in the background. That movie means a lot to Madison and I. When it came out, we were both working in Frontierland, in Disney World, and so with a mixture of kind of the whimsical, like,
00:45:08
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tracks that were written for the movie or were part of the story mixed with the ballad of Davy Crockett or the Beach Boys or the Rolling Stones or Burl Ives. Just the fact that all of that is mishmashed into a score for a film, like a stop motion film about an animated fox and his family and his battle against
00:45:34
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like the powers that be, like it's just, it's one of those soundtracks. I'm like, it shouldn't work, but it does. And it's somehow all of those songs tie together and it's stuff that we still sing and we'll put it on in the car and just sing the goofy, bouncy, boggess, buns and bean songs. But no, I think Alexander de Plots, this plot's one of my
00:45:58
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it definitely holds a high place in my regard because like we're big Wes Anderson film fans and then but it's then you like look at his discography and things that he's written and it's like it goes beyond that and I think he's extremely talented and that's uh love that love that film and that soundtrack now it's a great film it's a great film I must admit not to not to remembering the soundtrack so much but it is a perfect film
00:46:27
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My number three. My number three. And very much on the synth vibe that Eric brought up in the last round. It's Tangerine Dream and Legend. So in the UK, we got the poor man's version of Legend. We got the official release, if you like, of Legend. And Legend just to remind folks that aren't
00:46:52
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that are a normal age and not as old as me. Legend is the Ridley Scott film starring a very, very young Tom Cruise as the forest boy, Jack, who has to save his love, Lily, from the devil or what they call darkness, but basically the devil that is
00:47:21
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played expertly and beautifully with amazing makeup and cosmetics by Tim Curry, the great Tim Curry. And it's an old film and it's great. It's a really, really good film, but really, really what makes that film for me is the score by Tangerine Dream. The original production
00:47:44
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came out with a very straightforward soundtrack and quite frankly an awful lot of the original producers and creative team of the movie did not like that version of it. So they went to Tangerine Dream, a very prolific 80s
00:48:05
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synth band at the time, lots and lots of vocals, and asked them to do the soundtrack instead, and it makes the movie. If there was an example of a band or a composer whose work actually makes the movie significantly better, that for me is it. And I know that Araj talked about it before in the past as well on the synth list. So
00:48:29
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And it's one of those moments where I was listening to you guys on the Sith list and I was like, yes, yes, Arash, finally, you're right about something. So, yeah, it was for me, my number three is Legend and Tangerine Dreams version of the soundtrack, which disappointingly you can't get on physical media anymore. You can only get the original movie release, which is kind of sad and it makes the film a little bit more doughy, a little bit more stoic. That's my number three.
00:48:59
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Interesting. Interesting. Finally, a Raj comes through too on something. Yeah. There you go. Okay. So, number two, Eric. Yes. All right. This is a big one for me and it's Alan Silvestri is the composer and he has done about a trillion movies, almost every Symechis film ever since 1984.
00:49:29
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and the year, not the movie. But I mean, like stuff that if you look, here's what's wild. If you look him up on IMDB, it's what is he known for? Polar Express, Forrest Gump, right? But here's the big one, the money, the one that really like to me, put him out in the forefront is back to the future.
00:49:54
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It's an amazing, amazing score. Now here's the deal, that movie hit at a very particular time for me.
00:50:01
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that was just perfect. And like my life had been flipped upside down. I moved away from every friend I'd ever known and my family relocated to the Atlanta metro area, Atlanta, Georgia. And during that summer, that's when the movie was out and I went to go see it while we were living in a hotel because the house we bought wasn't done being built. And we went to see this movie.
00:50:27
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But here's the thing. It also has an excellent song score, but Silvestri's orchestral work is just top top shelf. The cues in that so good, so good, so good. But Back to the Future is the reason that I learned to play the guitar. Is that movie. Yeah. And so the two go hand in hand. And obviously that was because of the song score with, you know, Michael J. Fox.
00:50:53
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doing Johnny B. Goode and all of that stuff, which I wish he did an amazing job of faking that guitar playing. Even Huey Lewis, who was in the movie, you know, he had a big the big hit with Power Love and back in time. He was the judge at the talent show or the band auditions for the dance.
00:51:13
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And he's the one who gets the bullhorn and says, I'm sorry, you're just simply too loud. He was telling Michael J. Fox behind the scenes. He's like, I cannot believe you don't know how to play the guitar. You're it's spot on how good you're doing at faking this. But yeah, that's the movie that made me do it. And part of that reason isn't just a song score. It is the soundtrack and that brought it all together. Now, it's a little funny side note is
00:51:39
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Back to the Future was on. I was watching it and I said, hey kids, come here. I want you to see this. And it's the beginning scene where the clocks are ticking and that big, huge one-speaker amplifier he's got. And I was telling my daughter, I said, this is the movie that made me want to play the guitar.
00:51:56
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So she's watching the clocks tick and she's like, I don't get it. And then he hits that cord and it blows him across the room. And she looks at me as only like she was probably six at the time. Couldn't she? Why would that make you want to play the guitar and walk?
00:52:11
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Yeah, she's brutal, man. But yeah, Sylvester has a body of work that he's like John Williams, right? I mean, just the list goes on Avengers Endgame, possibly the one you've heard of, and on and on and on and on and on. Quite good. Great composer. Sean, your number two, please. I never thought I'd say that today. But anyway, Sean, what's your second favorite?
00:52:41
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My number two kind of harkens back to something you were talking about earlier, where it's kind of in that same vibe of the song, the music you put on while you're working. This was, I think this came out
00:52:58
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probably right near the end of my college or kind of maybe near the start of my working career. So really kind of getting into that. I too work at a desk and work kind of stationary and I don't really want to be. So like really kind of discovering that music that will
00:53:16
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keep me in a spot for a while. And I think one of the first albums around that time that would do that was the movie Tron Legacy by Daft Punk. There was
00:53:33
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There was something mesmerizing about that album that I was never a sit down, sit still and listen to a CD or an album or whatever, end to end over and over and over again. And there was just something that captivated me. I don't know if it was just, I mean, I've always been a huge Daft Punk fan, but the kind of sitting back in the pocket and them making a score
00:54:03
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where it's kind of reserved and it's not full blown, alive, like kind of a concert experience. Like, cause I know when I first came out, I'm like, it's going to be a new Daft Punk album. Let's go. And then you get it and you're like,
00:54:16
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man, but then you listen to it and it just kind of like, it's almost like a lullaby. It just kind of lulls you into this, like, all right, I'm in the universe, I'm in the world, I'm kind of focused. And I could listen to that album over and over and over and over again, just throughout the work day, next thing you know, the day's over and it's like, man. Yeah, that's one of my favorite, like that album,
00:54:40
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goes all over the place. D-Res is one of my favorites. I think if Apple Music or whatever still did play counts, that'd probably be a billion by this point in time. But no, that one definitely holds a soft place in my heart. I'm with you, man. I was lucky enough to go and see Daft Punk live.
00:55:03
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before they broke up on hiatus. I went to see them in Paris, which was cool, really, really cool. Their work is extraordinary. It really is extraordinary. It's dance, but it's kind of like...
00:55:21
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It's very operatic anyway. I mean, we were talking earlier on about before we recorded just the production values of Taylor Swift, for example, and just how amazing they are. These guys' production values is very, very good as well. I wouldn't say on a par, but certainly, or was, sorry, very, very good as well. So yeah, no, I'm stoked that, man. That's really cool.
00:55:49
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My number two, unfortunately, I'm going back to the commercial cheese. It's Hans Zimmer. I know that he's got quite the repertoire across. What is it? Inception, gladiator, master and conqueror, a heck of a lot of stuff. But for me, I think that
00:56:14
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One album I play in this room where you're seeing me now the most is the Blade Runner 2049 soundtrack and again it's
00:56:25
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I guess I can't give the whole praise to Hans Zimmer because there's an awful lot of Frank Sinatra and Elvis that's also spread across the soundtrack as well, but I'll give him props for the main parts of the album because it just chills me out. It just chills me out and yet it's kind of
00:56:48
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synth pop and stuff. I mean, I love his choral stuff. For example, in Gladiator when Maximus passes to Elysium and the choral work he does there, phenomenal. But across his entire repertoire, for me, it's Blade Runner 2049. And yes, I've got to put an honorable mention there to Vangelis because without
00:57:14
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without Van Gallis and the original Tears in the Rain and the original soundtrack for Blade Runner, we wouldn't have got what I think is a masterpiece in modern cinema soundtracks. So, yeah, honorable mention to Van Gallis, but quite frankly, it's my number two because it's what I play the most.
00:57:43
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And I hope that makes sense. I know it's commercial. I know it's cheesy, but again, I don't care. I'm too old for worrying about that kind of stuff. There's a reason that commercial music is commercial and popular. It's because it's good. It speaks to me. You know, it is. That's the bottom line. And, you know, I always come back to the whole Sithless gag of ace job liking what you like, but it's serious. I like a lot of stuff.
00:58:12
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that's popular. And people who pretend like they don't and they only like super obscure stuff, they're usually, that's not 100% genuine, if you don't like anything that's, you know, popular media, but I totally get it, man.
00:58:28
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Well, a couple of years back I went to see, and we're mentioning Star Wars again because we can. I know it's not part of the qualifying part for the top five, but a couple of years back, I know you guys have had it over in the States as well, where you have a live orchestra playing the soundtracks of the original trilogy. So I went to go and see the Empire Strikes Back in concert a few years back.
00:58:58
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50th birthday and it was one of the presents that my lovely wife had given me. And secondly, it was the London Philharmonic that was playing, which is a different level of classical music or tone, sorry. But they're doing the same at the moment in the UK for Hans Zimmer stuff as well. So yeah, you've got the kind of
00:59:23
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the pirate stuff and all that kind of stuff. But you've also got this amazing synth classic vibe going on. And we've also, now that the weather, hence the reason why I'm in daylight at the moment without any lights on, the weather is changing quite nicely in the UK at the moment and the
00:59:47
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The sky is blue and in a couple of weeks time, Lucy and I are going to an open air concert of Hans Zimmer scores. And I'm really looking forward to it. I'm really, really looking forward to it. So yeah, that was my number two. That's Neiman. Right. So real quick side note on that. My friend just got to go to see the Last Jedi.
01:00:13
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Oh, the Last Jedi with the symphony playing live. And he invited me to it, but we were celebrating my my wife's birthday. And I'm in the 501st and here we are talking about Star Wars, but they were looking for, you know, characters to troop at it. Now, I did Empire Strikes Back in Stormtrooper armor. And so during the performance during the middle of the movie, you got to go in and stand in the back and watch. And so I was back there.
01:00:42
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watching Yoda lift the X-wing out of the swamp with the theme playing with my stormtrooper helmet on like just crying it was so amazing and if anybody who loves movies and loves film scores if you ever get a chance to see something like that live please do it
01:01:05
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It's an amazing experience when you realize how much the music informs you of what you're supposed to feel. It really does. It's quite wild.
01:01:18
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I don't know about you. Sorry, Sean. I don't know about you as well, but also when the orchestra isn't playing is just as impactful as what it is. Does that make sense? Yeah. I mean, you got to have those- Which you don't notice without actually watching an orchestra.
01:01:45
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I hope that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. No, no, it totally does. So my number one, and this was tough because I'm stealing one of your composers, which was also your number one, but I had to because I would be dishonest if I didn't say this was my most favorite movie composer of all time. The movie though was different.
01:02:07
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And that is, uh, Ennio Morricone. All right. Yeah. And it is the good, bad and the ugly. And that movie, I've watched that as a young kid with my dad and being immediately intrigued by the music of it. And obviously, you know, you've got the theme. It's like everybody hears it in their head. And
01:02:33
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If you ever listen to David W. Collins, the soundtrack show podcast, he does an amazing discussion of it. But like that's, you know, all of the things that happen in there, you, you, when you hear the ideas behind it later, it's like, oh, well, that was right there in front of me. You know, he's emulating the sounds of the desert with the coyotes and all of that stuff. But the one that sticks to me so hard is the ecstasy of gold. And.
01:03:02
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If you're not familiar with it off the top of your head, if you've ever seen Metallica live, you've heard this song. They have been playing it at the front of their concerts for the last million years. And it is a great example of how metal, piano,
01:03:28
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Acoustic guitar, a handful of brass instruments can be, it is the most intense work of music that I've ever heard in my life. And he, what he did with it. And when you hear notes about like the notes that he gave the players.
01:03:47
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to know you need to pick that guitar harder. To the point that it's out of tune, you're hitting it so hard. And just things like that and what he was able to come up with and when you think about the time that it was.
01:04:00
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where, you know, you didn't have, you couldn't just sit in a studio by yourself and spend forever plunking around on stuff. I mean, he thought about all of this ahead of time and got these musicians into the studio and made this magic happen. And that movie in and of itself, there are so many great moments. And one of the things that I love about that score, and it's one of the things I love about so many movie scores,
01:04:28
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is I don't need to see the movie to instantly be taken right back to it just by hearing the music. You know, you always hear these, like, what ifs. What? You have to lose the, like, you get to keep this, but, oh, so well, and the ones I heard. No more Star Wars stuff ever made, ever, again. Or Star Wars forever, but you have to lose the original trilogy.
01:04:57
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It disappears forever and you can't ever watch it again. What would you pick? And I'm like, my question is, well, do I get to keep the soundtracks? Because if I do, then I don't need the movie because hearing that music, it's so emotional and it's so tied to it that it's all in your head. The music is what makes that happen, not the other way around. And I can tell you how true that is, is when you, I would watch my kid play.
01:05:23
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when he plays with his toys, whether whatever he was into at the time, whether it was Pirates of the Caribbean, whether it was Star Wars, whatever, Harry Potter, he would not even realize and he was doing it, be humming the themes of the music while he played. I'm not getting emotional because that's how powerful the music is.
01:05:47
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is that's what he associated with it, and he's playing with his toys, and he'll make explosion sounds and stuff, but he's singing the songs, the scores, because it's so tied to it. Hooray, music, hooray. And good job, Andy Omorikone, for making the good, bad, and the ugly one of the most rad soundtracks of all time. And I'm sorry I stole your composer, Andy.
01:06:09
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No, no, no, you're more than welcome. I mean, if both of us are nominating the same guy, then he certainly just deserves number one. Sean, give me your number one. I'm going to add something to what Eric was saying a second ago and to what you were saying before that about seeing the movies and the symphonies in real life. I think
01:06:34
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That adds to the emotion too. Like you don't realize, like, I think that was one of, I mean, I've always known, but that was really the eye opening thing for me. Like, I think I saw Pirates of the Caribbean or something in concert or whatever it was. And you notice the subtleties more when all of a sudden it's a quiet, it's like, it's just the movie. Then all of a sudden just light strings coming in. It's like, Oh,
01:06:55
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Like I feel it. I can feel my chest tightening up. I'm like, oh, I can feel, I can physically feel the music in me while I'm watching this. It's not just the visuals. And what's funny is like a funny quick little anecdote. I'm pretty sure my cat is affected by TV and movie soundtracks because
01:07:16
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we'll be sitting on the couch or whatever. And then like just one, the other one completely oblivious, no clue. But like all of a sudden, like the music will get tense and you'll see him get tightened up or like start freaking out. Like no, no visuals, nothing going on. And just like, and start getting like anxious. It's like, do they have, do they have a perception of this? Is like, is it universal? And so it's just, then every time I say it, it's just like, wow, like I feel like he's affected. He'll get up, start running around, like looking at stuff.
01:07:43
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Huh, interesting. I don't know. I could be crazy. But no, you're not, though, because that's why anxious sounding music is produces anxiety that there's a reason it's so fitting to the mood. And real quick, one thing I want to throw out there, and this is a music, modern music production sort of thing. If you've never seen an orchestra live of any sort,
01:08:05
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When you strip away like modern recording techniques and there's no compression, compression makes louder things quieter and quieter things louder. And that's why everything sounds like this nice consistent and it increases the.
01:08:20
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the apparent loudness, the perceived loudness of something, right? That's why if you think modern recordings sound louder than old ones, you're right, they do. Even though the peaks might be the same. When you take that away and you watch an orchestra or listen to an orchestra,
01:08:36
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the loudness will startle you to death. The quietness is so quiet that it makes you think of a mouse walking along. It's amazing the difference when you get to hear what a real orchestra sounds like in real life versus the recording processes and then compression and all that stuff that make it viable for at least it is a breathtaking. Before I go to my number one, I've got to ask you a question, Eric.
01:09:07
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I don't think this concept is number one though. I'm sorry. Oh, sorry. Sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no. But I do need to ask you a question. I do need to ask a question. Knowing your love of Westerns and bearing in mind the answer, sorry, your, your, your, your reverence for your number one. I asked you a question a long, long time ago and I don't think you've done it. Have you, have you watched Deadwood yet?
01:09:31
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No, and I know I need to. I'm going to buy you the box set, dude. You have to watch Deadwood. Sorry. Sorry. I did it again, Sean. I'm sorry. I went off at tangent again. Eric, please watch Deadwood. Please watch Deadwood. You will love it. I'll make it up right now. Especially with the humor as well. The humor is very red-dead. It's very red-dead humor, which I think you'd appreciate. Sorry, Sean. Back to you, my friend. Number one.
01:10:02
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So, so first you don't have to keep apologizing to me. This is the content that we're looking for. This is the, this is the meat on the bone, man. This is the marrow. Yeah. No, but you know, I'm like, always go for a tangent. I love a tangent. I love a tangent.
01:10:15
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So this movie and composer weren't originally on my list. I thought about it, thought about it, and I had my list. Tron Legacy was going to be number one. I had some other honorable mentions. I thought about making a joke of it and doing the whole switcheroo, but I was like, I think there is a movie soundtrack that has had more influence on my personality than
01:10:42
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anything else, like if there was something that was like, Sean, what defines, besides like your parents and whatever, whatever, like what defines you more than anything else? And like what soundtrack never gets old? What movie never gets old? And you can just watch from now until the end of time. I guarantee you nobody will, I bet nobody can guess this answer and it's gonna be completely out of left field.
01:11:09
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Any, any, anybody wanted to, any takers, any takers on that? And if not, I'll just, I'll just jump straight into it. Nobody, nobody. Oh, dude, that's such a good guess. Oh, it's so good. I don't know what the soundtrack is though, but that's a good movie.
01:11:23
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I don't know. I'm sorry. If you were a little bit older, I would have a real solid guess. But I mean, there is no way anybody could guess it. But except for maybe a handful of people who've heard me talk about this movie before. But the composer is Miles Goodman, who who did Dirty Rotten Scoundrels and along with Alan Menken did Little Shop of Horrors. But those are not my pick.
Emotional Connections to Film and TV Soundtracks
01:11:45
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My pick is the Muppet Christmas Carol.
01:11:50
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That would have never gotten that. Oh, my God. It is the best. I love you there. Like I've seen that movie at least a billion times. I recite every note of that score. I could do every whistle, every mouse squeak, everything like it makes me emotional talking about it. The fact that Michael Caine is singing in it.
01:12:19
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is it's a masterpiece. It's a million, a million percent. If you've never seen the movie or listened to the soundtrack, I mean, you have to watch the movie to go with it.
01:12:34
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It is it is the perfect quintessential Christmas movie it captures for me because Christmas really is really important for me the Christmas season the holiday season is really important to me and my family I grew up with that movie I grew up with the album then the CD then the digital version of the John Denver and the Muppets Christmas album
01:12:57
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That's fantastic. So like the Muppets and all their Christmas stuff is the embodiment of my humor, my personality, and just I want to be in that world. I love it. It's a masterpiece.
01:13:12
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That's awesome. Mate, that's brilliant. I mean, as a Brit, I mean, obviously I applaud, you know, I'm kind of forced to applaud anything Charles Dickens, but I have to say, Muppet Christmas Carol is the best version out of all the actors, out of all the actors across all the years that have, you know, the rather traditional actors that take themselves rather seriously. They do an amazing Scrooge. Honestly, mate, Muppet's Christmas Carol is the best.
01:13:42
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Bar none, bar none, so great choice. Just real quick, speaking of the Muppet world in that world, have you ever seen Jim Henson's Emmett Otter's Jugman Christmas? Yes. I do. It is the best. It's a little like what our runtime at most
01:14:08
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Um, all puppets, a hundred percent. Cool. And it's a story of a young otter named Emmet, who he and his mom live on this frozen lake. And it's kind of the classic tale of he's selling the thing that's important to him to get his mom something for Christmas. And she's selling the thing that would go along with that to get him something important for Christmas. And they end up having to, everybody's entering this big talent show.
01:14:36
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They're gonna sing a song and it's so good. It is so good. Oh, Emmett Otter's Jugman Christmas. I've just found it. I've just found it. It's on the list. I have you covered, Andy. I can help you with that.
01:14:55
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If you want to. Okay. And along those same lines, since we were talking about the office and stuff earlier, I don't know if you guys have ever seen the Muppets series they did for like, I think a season or two, but it was kind of framed. It's like the one season, but it's kind of framed around the office.
01:15:13
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I think it was just called the Muppets or something Muppets or whatever it was. It was brilliant. And the fact that it didn't get renewed devastating because it was so good. The whole premise of the show is that Miss Piggy is a talk show host and all the Muppets are her production crew. And it's a reality show where they're talking to the camera and going about their thing. And one of the best gags is that Miss Piggy is dating Josh Groban.
01:15:45
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the real Josh Groban and Kermit's jealous of it. It's freaking beautiful. Excellent. Must watch. Excellent. There's a great scene where Fauzi
01:15:58
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is dating this girl, and he's going home to meet her parents, and she's a human, and there he is. I can't remember the actor who played the girl's dad, but they're eating, and he's telling the wife, oh my gosh, this food is delicious, and he goes, he likes the salmon, what a surprise. And just all these things, because he's a bear, and it's so good.
01:16:26
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Excellent. Right. I'll try. Sorry for the tangent, Andy. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no problem. Listen, listen, listen. I welcome, as the tangent king, I welcome tangent. So you guys crack on. My number one, my number one, I'll be quick, but it means an awful lot to me. My number one is also Ennio Morricone, and it's for the film The Mission.
01:16:52
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Not only do I think it's a powerful film, but for me it landed at the right time for me for many, many different reasons. It landed at a time where I was somewhat confused in my purpose in life. I wasn't particularly clear on what
01:17:20
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what was important to me and my way forward. I had lost my father when I was quite young. I lost my father at 13 years old and I watched this film and it was about... And I'm not a particularly spiritual guy. You guys know I'm not a particularly spiritual guy, but the story about the idea of the redemption of a particular guy that wasn't particularly nice, played by Robert De Niro and his
01:17:51
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his absolution, if you like, to doing something better for someone else, regardless of the outcome, really resonated with me as a film. But not only that, there's a particular scene in the film that reminded me of a lot of my dad. There's a film where Robert De Niro... I don't know if you guys have seen this film, but he climbs a very, very...
01:18:12
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a very, very tall... Sorry, premise of the film is that it's about Jesuit priests in South America. I think they're in Paraguay and they are bringing Christianity to
01:18:28
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the indigenous species. And as usual, being Westerners, we kind of force the whole subject on the indigenous species and the result of that is that it probably was for the worst thing that ever actually happened to them. But
01:18:49
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One of the protagonists is Robert De Niro. As part of his penance for a particular act that he did was to climb a very, very tall waterfall. And when he gets to the top of the waterfall, he breaks down. He's emotionally shattered and he can finally grieve and get over something. And at that moment in time, he actually looked
01:19:16
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He looks very similar to how my dad did, who himself was a very tortured person in his life. And so visually, the film means an awful lot to me. And then behind that is a very, very compelling soundtrack by Ennio Morricone. And the main
01:19:38
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piece that is repeated throughout this movie is a piece called Gabriel's Oboe, Gabriel being one of the priests played by Jeremy Irons, who is very, very eloquent on the oboe.
01:19:55
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and it's this beautiful, beautiful piece of music that sometimes includes a wider orchestra or a wider selection of instruments but mainly is a solo piece that is played all the way through the film and it's a beautiful piece of work and so that music alongside this visual representation
01:20:19
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or visual image that reminded me so much of my dad before we lost him means an awful lot to me and that piece of music therefore is very, very big. What made it even more compelling to me is my daughter
01:20:36
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my youngest daughter Abigail, who plays an awful lot of instruments. She's very mathematical and one day, I'm sure Eric, you'll be able to explain to me why someone that's very smart at math can also read music like that because she's explained to me before, it's very similar, it's very, very similar.
01:21:00
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Anyway, the point being is that when she was a child and she was growing up, she learned the flute, the piccolo, and the last one was the oboe. And as she was leaving a school to go on to university,
01:21:17
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She got me. There was a kind of end of year or graduation talent show kind of thing going on. And she played Gabriel Zobo for me.
01:21:34
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I lost it, man. I absolutely lost it. And she was already very good. I mean, she's grade eight in all three. I don't know if grading makes a difference, is a thing over in the US, but she's grade out on all three instruments. She's all very, very good, but she's never shown any interest in... There's never been that kind of connection with her enjoying music and learning to play music.
01:22:02
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and me until that moment. And yeah, I'm welling up now. I mean, I lost it, man. I absolutely lost it. I mean, you're talking about, we're only going as far back as what? She was 18, so five years ago, four years ago now. And yeah, and so that just kind of cemented
01:22:29
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that movie, but most importantly, that soundtrack in my mind for the rest of my days. Um, because it's the one, it's the one thing that kind of connects the generations. It's me and my dad and me and my daughter, and it just means an awful lot to me. That's awesome, man. Awesome, dude. Dang. Yeah. We can definitely discuss how math and music relate.
01:22:53
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It's odd. It's, I wouldn't say it's odd. It's, it's, it's fascinating. Eric, it's way more than you can possibly guess. Yeah. It's way, it's wild, but, um, but she can, she can see, I mean, like yourself, she can, she was already very, very good at math. And then the minute that kind of she's reading school music, she's meeting, she sees it the same way that she would see an algorithm. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's crazy.
01:23:22
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Sorry, not crazy, but amazing. Well, one little side thing, which I don't want to bore your audience with it, but like in most professional settings, especially in whether they even have a name for it, the Nashville number system, musicians describe music to each other using numbers.
01:23:40
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You remember how in Back to the Future, when Marty McFly, this is one of those things that people are always asking, that's crap, right? There's no way that's real. And Boo Carlos from the Sith List actually asked us when we were talking about it, they said the scene where he turns around and tells the band, hey guys, this is a blues riff of B, watch me for the changes and try to keep up. And then they somehow magically play it. There's no way that's real. It's 100% real.
01:24:04
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Because those, the blues structure is a one, four, five is what that's called. And the musicians know it and they're like, whenever you're playing a chord and a chord changes getting ready to come up for somebody that's not familiar with it, they'll say seven minor, da, da, da, you know, and we all know what that means. And it's all numbers, man. It's pretty wild.
01:24:27
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Nice. And harmony, where notes are stacked on each other, all math, it's all based on math intervals and harmonics. But anyway, blah, blah, blah, blah. Can I mention I had an honorable mention I wanted to throw out there. And this was really very tough for me when I was trying to decide what to leave on the list. And I almost like took the Terminator off of there.
01:24:52
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And that's Danny Elfman for basically everything he's ever done ever. But very specifically for me is Pee Wee's Big Adventure. That's probably the movie that I've seen the second most times, only behind Star Wars, the original Star Wars. I've seen Pee Wee's Big Adventure so many times. Whenever I was a kid, when we lived in a place where you couldn't get cable,
01:25:17
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I had Peewee's Big Adventure on VHS, and I watched it every day during the summer whenever, you know, school was out, my parents worked, and it was too far to walk anywhere because it was kind of out in the country, man. I'd watch that three and four times a day. And Danny Elfman's musical stylings are completely bonkers, and he's instantly recognizable. You know, and when you think about the fact that he did, you know, the Batman, Keaton's Batman, and, yeah,
01:25:45
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Beetlejuice. Nightmare Before Christmas. Nightmare Before Christmas is another good one. And again, listen to David W. Collins, the soundtrack show about the music of Danny Elfman. It's very good. But he's tremendous as well. He was on my honorable mention list as well. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, there's so many. I mean, we could go on for hours and hours and I could do this. I wish we were in the same country under a warm sun and
01:26:14
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just chewing the fat somewhere where we could just talk about this for hours. But thank you very much, folks. That's really, really cool. There is something else we wanted to talk to you about, if you don't mind, Eric, if you have another five or 10 minutes. Absolutely. And this is going to be led by my partner in crime, Sean, and he's got some questions around a particular subject that he's very interested to talk to you about.
01:26:44
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I mean, it's a pretty basic question, and I know it's something we could fill a whole other podcast with, but I wanted to be able to see you when I ask you.
01:26:56
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What about the sign? What about the sign? Well, I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes. Okay. Full of tears. Full
Bluey Episode 'The Sign' Discussion
01:27:07
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of tears. Yes. The Bluey episode, The Sign, it just aired this past Sunday on Disney Plus. Well, around the world. It came out at the same time everywhere and that was April 14th, 2024.
01:27:24
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It was 28 minutes long, which is about four times the length of your standard Bluey episode. And it moved me to tears. I will just be completely honest and people have had their complaints with it, uh, mostly revolving around the fact that it had a happy ending and you should have used that as an opportunity to teach a lesson and it didn't accurately reflect what happened in my life.
01:27:50
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So screw that thing, which I find a bit disappointing in exactly the way I wanted it to. There are several things going on with this that I want to point out. Bluey, if you've never seen it, is an adult show in the guise of a children's show and it's universally loved by all ages.
01:28:11
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As a podcaster, doing a Bluey podcast, we get emails from people that, you know, people are sending in messages from their kids all the way to 18-year-olds who have no kids, to grownups, parents talking about their relationship with it. It is an amazing slice of real life. And as a parent, you constantly see yourself in this show, right?
01:28:38
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And this particular episode the sign Full spoilers everybody the whole notion is is that there's a they're selling their home and They're gonna move and one kid seems like yeah, what if you know and the other kids like this can't be happening mom doesn't seem like she's on the same page with it and dad is like Can tell that but at the same time is like well, it's a job with more money and it's gonna mean a better life and
01:29:09
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through the butterfly effect comes into it really big in the form of a butterfly flying in the car to represent it. But it's through this happenstance of events that leads to an understanding and a resolve that I think a lot of times shows are afraid to do. One of the reasons I love Parks and Recreation as a series is that it's one of those examples of sometimes everything just works out.
01:29:39
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As a general rule, the ending of every Parks and Rec episode was happy. They didn't need to use that show as a reminder that sometimes life sure sucks. Because people watch TV to escape reality, not have more of it heaped on them. And in this episode of Bluey the Sign, there's a line that their teacher, teacher tells Bluey, and this passed over my head, somebody else pointed out to me,
01:30:06
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She reads Bluey this story, and it's all these things that happen that might seem bad, but might seem good, and the whole answer is we'll see.
01:30:18
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And Bluey asks her teacher, why do most stories have happy endings? And I don't remember her quote exactly, but the gist of it is, is because life is gonna deal us so many endings that aren't happy. We need stories that do have happy endings, which is exactly what happened in the story of this show, right? I think they sort of told you ahead of time that it was gonna be okay. And the way they pulled it off from
01:30:47
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the storytelling, the voice acting, the score. Joff Bush, the musical director of the show, is a genius. And like for just as an example, there was a very pop arrangement of Pachelbel's Canon in D, which is, you know, if everybody does it, it's that song, right? It's every people walk down the aisle to it all the time, the beginnings of it.
01:31:17
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They did that. They, the way they fit it all together was just tremendous. And it gave a real insight into the things not about the thing. Okay. The show is about whether or not they were going to move and the realization that they didn't want to. And the one kid, the wild part was just the one kid who seemed okay with the house getting sold, didn't realize they couldn't still live there after that. You know, so it's like, oh, the betrayal. But it was the look at,
01:31:46
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The idea of the episode, in my opinion, was that let's look past the obvious and really dig down to what matters to us as a family versus like, yeah, more money equals better life, maybe, but everybody's miserable. It's less about the fact that they decided not to move and more about the fact that the dad banned it.
01:32:14
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got an eyeful of what was actually important to his family. A better life with more money and all that, that sounds important, but when he looked at what they needed, what they really needed from him, it wasn't.
01:32:31
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that it was this other thing. And I realize you can throw me 1000 anecdotal stories about why that's not realistic. But in this case, it makes it seem like it's it's
01:32:46
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It's simple. It's like, because his his frame of mind was, I want to give the kids the best opportunity in life that they can that bike. And so that's that was his argument the whole time. He's like, I just because he would even get emotional about it. He's like, it did.
01:33:03
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I just want to give them all the opportunities we didn't have. And I think that's where it could be easy. He's like, oh, I just want to be greedy money, money, money. I think there's a lot of people out there who are looking at it from that mindset of like, and there's also the people who are like, they should have moved, but you could see his struggle along with the other 13 subplots that are going on in this kids show that have been either long running or the last six episodes. It's like the amount of like existentialism
01:33:35
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interpersonal communications and relationship strife and advice that they can squeeze into an eight minute show and then culminate in this much larger story with way more people involved in a 20 minute finale. Like, I don't have children. But for those who know and those who don't, like, I grew up in a house with seven kids in it at all times. My mom was an at home babysitter. I've seen
01:34:01
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infant, like newborns to seven year olds. And like, we're still friends with these people. And like, I've been around kids shows my entire life. And it's like, there is nothing that holds a candle. This is, this is borderline prestige, television, masterwork. And this 20 minute 28 minute episode is like, Madison and I are sitting on the couch, we're like, yeah, just watching it. It's like, how does it pull all of this out of you? And it just gets those
01:34:30
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those relationships just perfect. It's so real, but it's cartoon dogs. Right. And that's something to listen. I get people's, I guess, issues with it. But like I said, man, sometimes things just work out and and the they use the idea of selling the house as a way to teach a lesson about
01:34:55
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the dad realizing what his family really needed from him and what giving them the better life meant. It didn't mean, oh no, moving wrecks your life and da da da da da. And that's not what they meant. That was just the thing that they chose to explain it the best because it was the most universally understood, right? Even if you had never faced a move like that, you would understand that
01:35:23
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how that might feel because it's something you can relate to and you know you do see things where people are complaining like hey we're a military family we've had to move a bunch of times and my kids watch this and they're like well if that's how it went
01:35:37
Speaker
then why can't we do that? And whilst that's a fine argument and I do kind of get that perspective, at the same time, it's like, well, then Bennett and Chili's should get divorced because it's 50% of marriages end in divorce. Then why are they still married? Cause my family didn't stay. And that's just, that's just not fair. There's too many layers to it. And to the naysayers who want to say that people don't just back out on a contract on buying a house. Oh yes, they do. It happened to me twice when I was selling my old house two times.
01:36:07
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One of the times we look we things happen with this lady, we get it and we just like here's your inner spending back. It was our option. The second one wasn't like that. But it happened two times. And so if you're saying that it's impossible, and it's not realistic, it is if you want to go down that it's totally realistic. And it's quite unfortunate. And if you're saying that it's a show about cartoon dogs. So move along. But no, genius. And I thank you. Like that was
01:36:37
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But the media, sorry to interrupt because I'm in no way an aficionado on this. But the media being animated cartoon dogs.
01:36:50
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is the mechanism to bring families together, right? I mean, at the end of the day, if it's a serious drama, then children typically aren't going to watch it. The fact that these are cartoon dogs that parents can enjoy the story with their children, and to your point, Eric, the lesson is actually
01:37:15
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more relatable to the parent than it is the child. Meanwhile, the child is enjoying in the same environment, the content. That's some powerful stuff. It's like I've always said about The Simpsons. The Simpsons is nowhere near it. It's designed for adults. Actually, Simpsons is a bad example because of the content. But the majority of Pixar movies,
01:37:41
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The majority of Pixar movies, I'm sure for this day, I mean, certainly the comedy and the humor behind it is focused towards a more mature viewer.
Podcast Community and Content Creation
01:37:55
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I'm in awe. I mean, I'm in awe of, I mean, I follow, I mean, Eric, you know I follow you. And I think the work that you're doing with your family on and discussing it as a family,
01:38:09
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And the lessons that you are learning, not just your kids, but you guys as parents. Well, I think it's pretty powerful stuff. And to your point, Sean, you know, it's something to be, something to be applauded.
01:38:23
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One of the things I find the most interesting about the show is that when they talk to the voice actors, you know, they all record their lines separately. The people who play like the parents, the main parents, Bandit and Chili, they only met in person for the first time this past year when Blue was becoming huge in the States and they were on the Tonight Show together. I believe it was. That's the first time they'd ever seen each other in person because they do their lines. And so the mastermind behind the show
01:38:51
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Joe Brum, he personally directs everybody, and he gets these performances out of these people separately, and a lot of them are recording at their house. There's a pretty cool thing of Dave McCormick, who plays the dad, who's also in the band Custard. He's a singer slash musician.
01:39:12
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where he's like sitting at a desk and he's basically using a mic similar to ours. He's not in a booth. And he's doing the lines, but so many of these actors will say, I gotta be honest with you. I'm not really playing a character. I'm just being me. And that's what brings this realism to it. It's so, it's so nice. And the other thing too, is they're short.
01:39:34
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It's universally appealing. There's no like secret hidden message that's going to turn your kid into, you know, a psycho killer robot. It's nothing. You can't make any arguments like that. It's just good. It's not preachy. It's not condescending.
01:39:52
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talks to kids like they're people and like they're smart, but it does the same thing to the parents as well. And one last thing I'll say, it's really nice to see a dad portrayed in this manner, because typically in television over the past say 20, 30 years, dads have either been no nonsense domineering, like what I say goes, I'm the head of this household at the end, stupid,
01:40:22
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You know, The Simpsons is the prime example. Even though he's got a heart of gold, Homer Simpson is an idiot. And you've seen a lot of that. Or like Al Bundy as an example, who is this father who doesn't have a ton of redeeming qualities, but everybody ends up liking him anyway. Where in this show, the dad, who's kind of the hero of the show many times, is somebody that kind of like I've found myself
01:40:52
Speaker
trying to be, even before I knew Blue was a thing, is I'm there for my kids. I talk to them like they're people. And for anybody who is a parent or isn't a parent yet, if I can give you any advice, there is a lot of power in apologizing to your kids when you know you got it wrong.
01:41:15
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and just own it and talk to them like people. There's a ton of power in it because they deserve it. And it puts you in a good place for them to understand that when I was a kid, I thought grownups had it all figured out. I'll know I'm a grownup when I quit being afraid and know instantly make decisions and never doubt myself, well, apparently I'm not a grownup. And it's okay to let your kids know that. It's okay to let your kids understand that it's not easy for us either. Anyway, that's all I got, blah, blah, blah, sorry.
01:41:46
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Do not apologize. That was chef's kiss, man. That was more than I was expecting. I knew, I knew, I knew it, but thank you for, for allowing me to ask that. I know we've gone to our normal time that we usually hit, but I really appreciate that. And I think you, you, you summed up my, my thoughts on it.
01:42:10
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Perfectly. He said, in all honesty, Eric, he set this up. He sent me a text yesterday saying, I need to talk to Eric about Bluey. Do you mind? No, you go for your life, dude. Just go for it. Just go for it. Oh, that's awesome. That is awesome. You know, then I should have given you one of these right here then, where is it at? Did we learn anything today?
01:42:38
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No matter what, we will always hit an hour 45. It's unavoidable. Yeah, I know it is. I've got this other sample. I don't play as often because somebody complained about it in a review on Apple Podcast, but it's this one. You see, kids, the lesson is. Anyway.
01:42:56
Speaker
I like that. I like that. I have a ringtone. Eric, thank you so much. I feel a little bit more comfortable talking to you now, now that we've spoken for an hour and 45 minutes, but I'm still in awe of you, everything you do, and I cannot thank you enough for being my friend and for introducing myself to Sean. I really hope that one day you come back
01:43:22
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and talk to us some more. We'll promise to choose another exciting subject for you to talk to us about, but thank you so much for your time because I know you are the busiest dude I know at the moment, so thank you so much. Andy, I appreciate that. Thank you for asking me to come on the show. I love both of you guys. Like I said earlier, I only got to hang out with Sean a couple of times in real life.
01:43:47
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I have yet to hang out with you in real life. One of these days we will, but it's just been an honor to come on. And I've had so much fun talking to you. You're two just stand up guys. And I really like what you're bringing to the table with the show, with the slant on positivity and all of those things, because honestly, the world needs it. So kudos to you both. Thank you, man. Appreciate that.
01:44:14
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We are particularly bad about doing our own business, but if you would like to let our 14 listeners know where they can find you, what you got going on, you're more than welcome to.
01:44:30
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So check out, I'm on a couple of podcasts. One is the Sith List. We're a pop culture, kind of all things geek podcast. I also do Dinner with the Healers. It's an episode by episode bluey podcast with my wife and two kids. And I also try to at least once a week stream on Twitch, Twitch.tv slash mouse rat 2217. Good deal, man. That's awesome.
01:44:59
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For us, you can find all of our links at our website, justshillin.com. It's currently in the process of getting revamped now that we have got some fancy new cover art, thanks to the wonderful, wonderful, wonderful Christopher Hall from the Scruffy Looking Podcasters.
01:45:21
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I'm over the moon at how it turned out. I am excited to update the website to match this new theming. I cannot thank him enough. He is a super cool dude. And it just means the world to have such cool friends that are also talented. And I don't know, I'll just keep I'll keep waxing poetic about it. Andy, is there anything that you would like to add? Just thanks, Chris. You're a good lad.
01:45:51
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And with that, I forgot to mention the dinner with the healers website podcast.com. Be sure to check it out. It's well done. And yeah, that's all I'll say about it. I almost made it out of here.
01:46:10
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I do appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you so much. Well, I wasn't going to say, and Sean built it for me. So if you need a website, hit him up. I bet. I think there's a common, there's a, there's a common trend. They'll be like, Hey, that looks, there's something, there's something going on here. It's perfectly informational. It does exactly what we need. That makes it perfect. Awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you again. Thank you again, Eric. Thank you, Andy. Andy, I'll let you take it away this time.
01:46:37
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Yeah, thank you guys. Have a great weekend. It's lovely to speak to you all on a Friday. Have a good one. Thank you again, Eric. Goodbye now. Lots of love. Look after each other. Stay safe. Bye.