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Season 5- Episode 9- We Still Want Rob Cain’s Job (Rugby World Cup Round 3 & Premiership Round 7)
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It is another fun filled, emphasis on filled, episode of those American rugby dopes. Plenty to run through for this week's episode, we kick it off by talking about some news in the MLR and the Gil-Franchise has been outed from the league...can't say this wasn't coming. Finally, we get into the Autumn Nations squads including some of the changes that have been brought up due to injury and what direction we think teams are going. Of course, we dig into all the action from New Zealand and the Prem, including another disappointing performances from the USA Eagles, and how things will look this coming week against the same opposition. Kick back, grab something strong & tasty to drink and enjoy some banter with us.
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Transcript
Introduction and Banter
00:00:02
Speaker
It is. The Fantasy Robias. My name is Jared Dyke. I wanted to say it's stupid and let's move on, but then you kept going. I'm Ben Glauser. I don't like any way anybody gambled that. Collusion. Collusion.
Welcome Back and Podcast Promotion
00:00:27
Speaker
Hey everybody. Welcome back. It is the fancy rugby. Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauser. Let's go. We got, we got lost to dig into today. A little bit. With the new cycle, please stop. Yeah. Just some of it good. Some of it bad. Say I'm all, I'm all for giving a shit to talk to about, but damn, this is overdoing it. Yeah. Smoking my gun. Right. Oh yeah. That was, I can actually drink a beer this week. So out of practice.
00:00:58
Speaker
Sure. Yeah. Drink a beer. Irritically, I could drink a beer. In theory. Find us on your favorite podcast app, share us, download, rate, review all that good stuff.
00:01:14
Speaker
Make sure you are helping out our good friend, George, the Fantasy Rugby Geek, and buying him a coffee slash beer slash whatever you want.
Fantasy Rugby and Inclusion of Tier Two Teams
00:01:21
Speaker
Automation series is kicking in. We will open up a league assuming that they do the fantasy thing again, which I think they're going to, which is good, because they use the same engine as the Six Nations. So that's all it is. But it has to be two tier one teams playing each other. I know that.
00:01:37
Speaker
Some of the game, some weeks, some players will be available. Some weeks they won't. But I can, I can live with that. Yeah. I can deal with that one. One day we'll get the tier two teams in there. Um, obviously as I mentioned it, you know, he's going to be throwing out the advice there. Right.
Societal Discrimination and Antisemitism
00:01:58
Speaker
The geek, the geek will do that. As always, there is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life.
00:02:07
Speaker
Oh, pick your make your pick this week. Honestly, there's so much bullshit that hit the fan. You know, for for you. I know that I say I'm thinking I'm thinking about a certain performance artist that this that's been dropped by basically everybody under the sun. Right. He just pulled a nutty and went off. It's yeah, but my bigger problem is that it's like,
00:02:36
Speaker
It's seemingly ingrained in society again, and that's not a good thing. I mean, unless, you know, it never really was out, but still. Yeah, that people think it's okay.
Controversial Artistic Behavior Discussion
00:02:48
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And I've seen people like, there was one conservative commenter who was like,
00:02:52
Speaker
Yeah, what Ye did was wrong. But also the reaction was wrong, too. It's like, shut the fuck up, dude. No. You're wrong. Like, no. There's no need to be a butt. There's no need to be anything other than Ye was wrong and he's an asshole. And that's a period end of story. But that's the problem, is that it's festering, because people are promoting it.
00:03:16
Speaker
And it's not just antisemitism. It's just all discrimination. That's the point.
Drag Queens and Freedom of Expression
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Speaker
like drag story hour drag queens are fucking awesome. And they always have been like they like not tell me something I don't know. Right. And like, OK, you want, you know, if I was a kid listening to that, I'd be like, OK, it's playing dress up like we all play dress up in our own way. I'm fucking wearing a Phillies shirt. Right. I'm playing dress up right now. I'm going to be a baseball player. I'm pretending to be a baseball player because in the World Series, like
00:03:46
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We're seeing
00:03:51
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Whatever, you know, it's it's people who take pride in their ability to play dress up good good for them and they do awesome shit with it So, you know, they're reading to kids.
Winning the Social Battle Debate
00:03:59
Speaker
They're not hurting anybody and that's the problem the people who are against all this stuff Like what they're scared of let's say, you know, they lose the the social battle all that means is that people get to live free and as they choose and If they win people die
00:04:17
Speaker
Yeah, I like the part where people don't die. Right. At the very least, you look at those two sides, you're like, people live, people die. And it's like people are like, no, no, no, they're right. It's like, no, they're not. They're wrong. So, yeah, all around. It's being it's. It's not good. No. So please don't, you know, don't feed into it. I'm sure if you listen to us.
00:04:40
Speaker
You probably don't. You probably don't, but, um, or you just skip over this part because you hate us for saying shit like this, but I don't care about that. Whatever. You're not listening to it anyway, so it doesn't matter. That's what that means.
Patreon Content and Fairness
00:04:56
Speaker
Some good news, though, that's out there is that these the first sheet is up on the Patreon. And not only that, but it's up for free. So anybody who wants access to it, it's it's there. So check out the Patreon. You'll see a preview. It's buggy. It's a little glitch. Sorry about that. There's not, you know, the front rows don't have points. Whatever you can find. Those are easy. And there's like, what, maybe three of them that are available on the waiver wire. Right. You have your front row.
00:05:27
Speaker
Yeah, everywhere else. And I have the team stats that are yet to come because that's still in development. Switching over from the rugby mag to FRD is not easy because of the score. Yeah. So it's slowly happening. Yeah. And we'll add more things to that as we go through it. I have some stats I've been keeping up with and we'll eventually integrate them in there. And I think those will be very useful. But
00:05:52
Speaker
Yes. Grab the freebie for now. Right. And the one we published coming this week will be, you know, the end of this week. That's you won't be able to access that without paying. Yep. That's because that wouldn't be fair to our paying patrons either. Right. But you still get to see my my babble for, you know, rankings and all that stuff. Right. There's still good shit. Yeah.
00:06:19
Speaker
Hopefully people have enjoyed the writings that are behind the paywall as well, because I'm trying over here, I swear. Okay.
Financial Transparency in US Rugby
00:06:28
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Few things to dig into before we get into automations and all that stuff. We had news over here in the US. Gil Christ is out and his teams are out, and there wasn't an answer to be had for the problems that were
00:06:47
Speaker
happening at Los Angeles and Austin. And it sucks mostly because it's Austin's was a founding team. That's the reason that sucks. Yeah, that's the season go, you know, really does. And they actually had a good season last year, but
00:07:02
Speaker
And unfortunately, this is a case for, this is why you need to open up the books for everyone, because when Gilchrist, I don't like F45, I'm not a fan of it, and that's my realm of the universe, and the fact that it kind of flopped kind of makes me happy. I'm not trying to make it, I'm not out there to make life miserable for anybody that's involved in the business, but yeah, anyway, point being,
00:07:32
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He obviously needed to get rid of one team because that flopped. And when they were forced to open up the books, there was some funny shit in there. So this is the case for, you know, back when the Saracens got paying for salary cap violations, when
00:07:48
Speaker
When that happened and teams weren't, and it wasn't like a clue for leagues to open up books all over, I don't know what the fuck would have been. And more shit keeps coming out. Obviously we had two teams go into administration in the prem. We now have two teams that are about to go, you know, disappear for at least a year, if not longer in MLR. And I'm sure this is not going to be the last case we hear, unfortunately, until we get into everyone
00:08:15
Speaker
Sorry, you got to have an audit of some sort. You got to, you know, it doesn't need to be made public necessarily unless there's like findings that should be reported. But at the same time, you need someone to check your books, that's a neutral party and say, Yeah, okay, you're cool. You're clean. Right. Off you go. I mean, you look at the most, at least in the US, I'm not sure how it's done.
00:08:39
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in pro soccer football, sorry, for those who practice.
00:08:46
Speaker
Is that, are the books open in the Premier League? Well, they don't have a salary cap, number one. Okay. But there are financial fair play rules in place that make sure that people are not overspending and putting themselves in bankruptcy. And if there is, if you are declared, like if you're in bankruptcy and you're in the red and you're spending too much money compared to what you're bringing in, you can get pinged for points and it usually sends you down.
00:09:14
Speaker
Right? Oh, okay. I think Derby County just had it happen to them. So there's things to put it in to help prevent it to a point at least. Right. But here where you have a salary cap, like you look at the leagues around the world that have salary caps that are successful. Mind you, I'm not talking about the prep. I'm talking about the NFL. I'm talking about, you know, the NHL, to a certain extent, there's there isn't, you know, whatever the coyotes or
00:09:44
Speaker
They're like always weeks away from folding anyway, but that's because they are just fucking shady. Yeah. And they shouldn't exist as a club anyway. But NBA, NBA MLB to a lesser extent, because I don't think either. No, NBA has a hard cap. NBA is a hard cap. Right. MLB has a soft cap, but they all have like collective bargaining. They all have.
00:10:18
Speaker
You know, at least the NFL, they're all open book with each other, not not not so much with with public. That's that's held private. But at the same time, they all they'll know what, you know, what they're each up to. And there's a hard salary cap. That's also less than the TV deal. So like just off the TV money, if a club, if an NFL team is losing money, it's because they want to. Like they they get so much profit baked into their
00:10:32
Speaker
like a strong central government, I guess is the way he's put it.
00:10:47
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Yeah, to their deals. And that's just from the national deal. So like, either way, open your books. Everybody's upfront with each other. There's, you know, there's the socialism of, you know, collective revenue, stuff like that, like work to make everybody better. And that's what works. So it's like you're going in with
00:11:07
Speaker
You know, MLRs is still new.
MLR's Stability and Management Criticism
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Speaker
They have to establish themselves, but look to success. You know, you establish yourself by doing what successful leagues do. It's not just about getting the TV money, but it's about how you manage yourself. So, you know, best practices and all that. Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. So. But I'm very happy to see the back of Gilchrist. Fuck that fucko. Yeah. That's the set. I mean, it's one guy that's really just doing the damage for a lot of people and
00:11:34
Speaker
I feel for every player, every coach, every staff member that's, you know, kind of been put out in the cold, but look to him and they're going to try to make him out as a good guy. And he's a dirtbag. I think we, um, I don't know when we first talked about it, but I get the, I feel like I didn't think we called this, but I think we were pretty, uh,
00:11:58
Speaker
confident that it would end poorly. When we learned about Gil Christ and we learned about, oh, that he's naming it, the teams after drinks that are named after him. So it's like, oh no, this isn't gonna end well. Yeah, once we figured that out, we were like, all right, this is gonna end badly, isn't it? It did, unfortunately. We'll have to go find that. Check the tape. It's out there somewhere probably. Yeah, watch us not have said that. But I think we didn't like it anyway. That's true. Yeah, neither way, it wasn't good. No, we didn't like him from the start. So we're fine with all this from him. Just feel bad for the, again, the players and staff, that sucks for them. Agreed.
00:12:28
Speaker
Redegreed. All right, onto real rugby. Onto the other rugby. That's being played. Yes, the stuff that's going to be played or being played are going to be played soon. Let's talk about automations. We'll hit we'll hit up the usually one of the more controversial squads put out there, England and Mr. Jones and his merry men.
England Squad and Strategy
00:12:51
Speaker
We know that we're missing two names already, two or three names from this already.
00:12:57
Speaker
LCD is potentially gonna recover and maybe we'll see. Honestly, I'd be okay going into whatever their first match is. Regardless, if they need to hold them out for a week, they're gonna be okay with Jack Singleton and George McGuigan. That'll serve quite well.
00:13:17
Speaker
especially the Wigan and the Wigan. Yeah, I think he's he's going to he's got to be the starter just because of his experience. And yeah, not not so much at the international level, but the way he plays at the prem level is so he picks his spots and then he does a really fucking good job when he gets these opportunities. So if that translates even a little bit, he'll be OK. He won't he won't blow anybody away, I don't think. But he'll be he'll be steady. Yeah, there are five.
00:13:44
Speaker
Four or five uncapped players, five uncapped players, all in the forwards. Wow. Coles, McGuigan, Rapopo Ruskin, who's been on fire. So that's deserved. Dave Rubins should have had a call up a long fucking time ago. Yep. And Tizard, which. Which is weird to me. I'm not getting that, but OK. Yeah, I'm not going to complain either. I'm not going to complain, no, but it's I'm just.
00:14:07
Speaker
That's one of the ones that puzzles me, but not in a bad way. I have nothing wrong with, you know, obviously I liked Hizzard. I was excited to, you know, I liked him at Quinn's. I was excited when Sari signed him. I just.
00:14:19
Speaker
I didn't see it at this level yet, but maybe Eddie wants to take a look at it. And, you know, obviously it's he's on his mind for the World Cup. So it's like, let's see what he's got. Yeah, definitely. And I'm sorry, there's there is one uncapped back. It's Caden Murley, who's been electric. So good for him. Yeah, it's hard to turn him away. So you got to figure with this squad, it's going to be steward. And I hope Maylands
00:14:49
Speaker
And, you know, Arendelle, we'll see how he's, oh, good God, I hope not. They've called for a bank back in, and I'm not saying that on form he doesn't deserve it. He's just really struggled to show it in a white shirt. That's the only thing. It's been really hard for him. I feel like his ceiling is very good, prem player. It could be, yeah. But at the same time, who knows? Give him, you know, he's 26, give him a shot.
00:15:18
Speaker
Yeah, he's got time. Yeah, he's got time to do that. I'd rather see fur bank out there than, you know, may or or no, like we were talking like so we're watching the the sale match and they're talking about Roebuck, right?
00:15:33
Speaker
If I remember correctly, they're talking about how this is what Eddie wants. He wants to see that flash. He wants to see, like, you know, positive plays and scores and, you know, and that splash from the wing position. And it's like, and why is he picking Noel or May? Because that's not what they do now. No, they haven't for a while. So, May, I'm sad, but he gets injured all the fucking time, too, like both of them do. So it's like you're they're flimsy and they're not that good anymore.
00:16:02
Speaker
The fact that Noel is like this guy that loves to run in traffic and he gets his heart as often as he does.
00:16:09
Speaker
Right. Maybe he learns eventually to not run in traffic and try and stay in space. Right. But it's like he does. That's why I that's why I like the the Red Bull thing. He's like a fucking fluke tug on a rug. Yeah. Like he's going to crash. And so it's like, OK, what's you know, when's it going to be? And that's why. Yeah, I don't like him at the international level anymore because he's not even that good in the prem. So.
00:16:35
Speaker
Yeah. And he gets hurt at the pram level. So it's like, you're, now you're, you're upping the ante and every single way where he's slower than most fly halves. It feels like at the international level, let alone centers or wings, he's not going anywhere. He's not breaking the line and going anywhere. I think he didn't break the line this week against saris and like made 10 yards before he got tackled. Right.
00:17:00
Speaker
Like, come on. Yeah, that's my that's that's again, you know, there's I have some other question marks on that, but that's always my biggest is the Noel and May. And obviously, May is no longer eligible or able. But I just don't get Noel. Yeah, beats me. Because you look at the rest of the guys, Radwin, Robuck, you know, Maylands, Arendelle, like all these guys who can just fuck out.
00:17:27
Speaker
Shit, who'd you say? I'm Marley. All these guys are going to fucking fly. And you're going to. You're going to put an owl out there.
00:17:38
Speaker
Okay. Got me, man. Listen, I don't, I don't call him Eddie anymore. I call him Edward until he figures out his own shit here. Maybe he doesn't pick him in for a match in which case great. Yeah. Maybe he holds off starting Ben Young's, which should be smart, but I don't know shit.
Experienced Players' Role in England's Squad
00:17:56
Speaker
So we have them there as like, like helping the, the experience.
00:18:02
Speaker
Like they provide the experience. They can help the players as you know, become, you know, you need help becoming a professional player. You also need help becoming an international player and like what the habits and, and, and the margins you got to learn. And yes, someone like Noel can help with that if he's smart enough to be able to teach it. Right. But like that's, but that's from like a support, but he's like another coach, not so much of a player and not definitely not on the field because you can't really provide much.
00:18:29
Speaker
Yeah, so there's that. Let's go to. Jack, I like Jack Noah as a human being, so I, but as a rugby player, and I've always liked him for a long time as a rugby player. I hate saying this about him. It's not his fault. It's Eddie's fault. Edward's fault for putting him there is all.
00:18:53
Speaker
I agree.
France's Squad and Player Development
00:18:54
Speaker
Yeah. Let's go to, let's, let's move on and go to number one team in the world, or at least everybody's favorite team right now, France.
00:19:01
Speaker
Some interesting things happening because we've had, they've actually picked a Pro D2 player from Oina, Lacala, Lacala, Lacala, something like that. Anyway, so that's interesting. I found that very, very peculiar there. They won't have Jomineh, he picked up a nasty ankle injury. So that's gonna keep him out. We see, what's this but, Oliver on his back?
00:19:28
Speaker
So that's that's bad news for a lot of people for him excellent for France really bad for everyone else Yes, it is. It isn't that that just brings even more balance to their back row. Not that they didn't have any but you know And it's and yeah, there's some new names in here, which is fine I encourage it will probably still see a lot of the same names on the team sheet come match day, but Yeah, this is and
00:19:54
Speaker
They do it, they do it smart. So they did their tour of Japan in the summer and they did not bring all their number ones. They brought a lot of number twos and number threes. And that's fine. If they, if you kind of earmarked that as that's what we're going to use these tours for. I have no issue with that. And then, and then this is when they unveil, unveil the full product here, six nations, and obviously World Cup. And if that has been their grand plan this whole time, I'd say it's working out quite well. Call me cookie.
00:20:24
Speaker
It's very interesting. Roman Burros is in, that's an interesting one. Dumortier, I have not watched him at all, so I guess I'll have to tune in. Who's it? What's the name? Leon, okay, interesting. Now that we have access to top 14 stuff, I'll have to go poke my head into one or two of them. Butier's back, that boomer of a friggin' foot that he's got.
00:20:54
Speaker
Raka is back, that's a big one. I was wondering if he was gonna end up switching over to Fiji if he will continue to be stood down. So that's a no, at least for now. If he doesn't get in, then it's still the same.
00:21:10
Speaker
Oh, that's true, because you got to get capped, right? Yes. Yes. And Burdou, also Leon, another new, another new back. So that's, that's interesting. Yeah, a couple of new guys from Leon, a couple of new guys from Bordeaux. And yeah, again, change them out. Obviously, you get some injuries that you got to deal with as always.
00:21:29
Speaker
So I don't doubt for a second that this is still going to be a very pretty looking team when they sit onto the field. I don't think anybody does. Do they leave DuPont as capital or do they give it back to Oliver?
00:21:51
Speaker
I'm, I'm getting, no, I think it's only ball. Okay. I didn't, I didn't see, but I don't know if so. It's kind of, they, yeah. Neither is an issue, but yeah, I'd give it back to all the volume. Cause he had earned it. And the reason he didn't have is because he was hurt. Yeah, exactly. Let's, let's have a John over to a very peculiar team at this point, Wales.
Wales' Injury Challenges and Selection Dilemmas
00:22:15
Speaker
It's.
00:22:17
Speaker
They're not gonna have damn bigger at least for a little a little bit in this whole thing I don't know how long his injuries gonna hold him out for They won't have Naveed e they won't have Liam Williams. Those are some barely fairly experienced names by yeah, I means when Jones is not is out for at least the start of this whole thing
00:22:39
Speaker
Interesting to see. It's so funny to see Toulopé Palitao with a cart of rugby next to us naming this after being in Bath for so long, but obviously form has not dropped and I wouldn't drop him anyway. So a name that's picked in here that's a lot of people are talking about is Tommy Rafel and the whole, you know, he needs to move to Wales and da da da. And it is a fine balance, I think, of
00:23:06
Speaker
Do you want to keep your own product going in your home provinces? Yes. But do you want to close it off for people of his talent? And, you know, he might be very happy at Lester in which case he probably doesn't want to move.
00:23:23
Speaker
So to force his hand, because he's only got three caps and I think the lines 60, 50, 70, somewhere in that neighborhood, whatever it is, obviously he's not going to accumulate that by the time his next contract is up for luster. Right. It's a, it's an interesting balance. So Liam Williams was playing for saris, right? And they asked him to come back afterwards. Like he still played for whales until basically his contract was up. And then it was, now you got to come back. You can't re-sign. Um, at least that's what I understand. Like,
00:23:55
Speaker
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with naming Rafel and then later asking him to come back, like letting him play there and develop more and then asking him to come when his contract's up. I'm sure they'll do that with Chunze too. A lot of these guys will get that who were playing in the prem. It's just a matter of time. Yeah, it is just a matter of time. Yes. Yeah, I agree.
00:24:23
Speaker
And they, they left Sheedy out because of similar situation. Like they want him back in Wales. And as I said, he may be very, very fucking happy in, in Bristol and be like, you know what? Fuck you guys. And that'll be, and I'm not saying she's going to like the world up by any means he's, he's not a terrible player, but.
00:24:44
Speaker
You know, you do risk that should you, you know, come in with, I mean, you could bump into this with Shunzi if he actually turns into what we think he's going to be. In which case he's going to be like, fuck you. I want to stay here. Right. Deal with it. And that's going to be something you have to work out with on your own. And if you're OK with living with that. All right. Cool. Right.
00:25:05
Speaker
you can you can do that and that's fine but you just have to understand that that is the small risk and it may not be a very big risk but it is the risk that that runs. Somebody's gonna start somebody's going to do that somebody's gonna say I'm staying in the like you know I saw a picture of like what Will Rollins with dragons um on the weekend where he just looked like he wanted to be anywhere else
00:25:27
Speaker
And it's like, I mean, of course, he's probably happier there than on wasps right now. So, okay, that's, that's, that's a, you know, I don't know that that's going to happen with Exeter, but like, so for Shunza, you know, look at that and then think about what your options are. And same for Rafael. Right. One thing that's fucked up though, one thing that's fucked up is,
00:25:54
Speaker
Oh, fuck. What's his name? Thomas Young. Not on that. Not in there and was told to move back to Wales. I know he wanted to move back to with his dad anyway, but still, it's like you've told him to move back and you haven't done done right. Unless he's looking like absolute dog shit, which I doubt. I doubt it. Right. Yeah, you probably should be in this team.
00:26:18
Speaker
It may yet happen. We may, we may see a few more injuries here before this coming weekend. But especially with your, your, your, you know, back row a little depleted, um, to not, that means he's like, there, there's a gap between him and then this team, like a massive gap. And so it's just kind of, you know, it's, it's the same as, as, um, Ben Spencer going to, um, bath, like don't move people around.
00:26:45
Speaker
And then fuck, you know, just say, yeah, we never picking you again. Like that's fucked up. That sucks. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. Uh, let's go to Ben's favorite team in South Africa.
South Africa's Local Player Benefits
00:27:00
Speaker
Say that with, with as much of a smirk on my face as I can manage without fucking it up too much. Uh, this is, and this is interesting to see as many.
00:27:12
Speaker
I will say this is probably a positive step for a lot of reasons. There are a lot of South African based players in this team, at least the first team that we're getting a look at here, which is good in a lot of ways for the sake of them and the game. And, you know, I hate to say it, but the URC move might've worked out for them pretty well. You know, as much as I was annoyed that the whole super rugby was getting turned on its head, in the end, this ended up being
00:27:41
Speaker
Positive move for them. It looks like because they have a lot of players that are either based in South Africa There are there are a hatful here that are based in Japan as well But they just don't have the same mass exodus that they once did at least it doesn't appear that way Maybe I'm seeing this wrong and if I am please somebody shoot me a friggin message and let me know. Yeah, I
00:28:03
Speaker
Not so much yet, but I think it is going to be good. It's also going to be good because they're familiar with a lot of, they're much more familiar with the pliers that they're going to be facing. So that's, yeah, that'll be helpful.
00:28:21
Speaker
Yeah, in the URC, it's growing on me except for the Champions Cup. I'm kind of, at this point, fucking, let's just make it a, everyone. Like, open it up. Who are you missing at this point? Like, who's not represented, like Australia and New Zealand? Just say just the Kiwis and the Aussies. And that's really it.
00:28:41
Speaker
Yeah, maybe, maybe a little Japanese top league. Right. Right. Like I told you, I'm all on there too. We don't have to do that. That would be sad. Well, there's the new what European super league that's over there as well. There's that one as well. European super cup, whatever it's called. Yeah. So like we're, we're close, but anyway, onto this team though, it's, it's, it doesn't look, I don't see any surprises.
00:29:11
Speaker
No, the only, obviously the, the big issue is, uh, I assume once the balance is playing 10. Yeah. I don't know. What the fuck? Yeah. Bye. Whatever. Here's what it is. Oh, am I looking at a God damn it? Oh, you'll get an old one. Oh, motherfucker. That's there's nothing.
00:29:34
Speaker
The top one the top like ten are all from last year. This one didn't All right, that one does not What the hell he's on there. But so anyway, the ten is probably gonna be Wilhelms, uh, uh, Damien Wilhelms I mean he stays healthy and then after that it's gonna be a big old, you know shoulder shrug of who's gonna play ten I I'm guessing Houston, um, you know, I knew some is is in the team
00:29:58
Speaker
That I assume is the next one. And then you're going to have to pick up a phone call property free or something, because that's going to be your next option. Probably. They're, they gotta be close to it. Yeah, I would assume so. Um, still no. That's the one I'm kind of disappointed with. No Wilco Lowe. I think he's been playing really, really well and to not have him in there. It's just really, really.
00:30:23
Speaker
shameful in a lot of ways. And he's announced he's moving back to I think the Bulls he's moving back to after the season. Good for him. Yeah. But yeah, that's I thought you could he could have done with a call but still I'll be can't do much about it still. Isn't he still fairly young though?
00:30:43
Speaker
I think so. Like 25 maybe. Yeah. Yeah. For a prop that's young, they'll get his shot. Yeah. Maybe I'm wrong. I think. Somebody's looking up and correct me. So we'll see how they go. They're going to play France and Ireland. He's 28. He's 28. So he's a little older than that. A little older than I thought.
00:31:04
Speaker
Yeah, they'll play France and Ireland, so those will be two games to certainly sit in your seat and buckle the seat belt, as it were. Right. Be enjoying that one. Speaking of Ireland, let's go have a look at Lixi Liu.
00:31:18
Speaker
Yeah, our BFF, Sexton returns to the team.
Ireland Squad Controversies
00:31:22
Speaker
Jimmy O'Brien's in the team from Lenser, a guy that made a big splash for us in our Champions Cup talk. A big one that everybody's talking about is Kieran Frawley from Lenser. A lot of people seem to, it seems to be a divided opinion on, you know, I think the Lenser coaching staff prefer, what's his butt?
00:31:47
Speaker
mind my blanking on his name. The other backup 10 from Leister. Burn. There's the word. Burn. And then the maybe Ireland prefer Frowley or the other way around, whatever it is. Either way, it seems to be a little bit of controversy and a divided opinion in that one. So interesting to see him in there.
00:32:06
Speaker
The forwards include a guy that I thought I played really well in the little bit that I got to watch him, um, he and Pendergast from Connick. I thought he looked really good, the, the loose forward for them. So that's a great ad there. Is he in this team? Hold on. There's another one that I was a little annoyed with. He's not. Okay. Good. Um, but I did see the, um, what was it? Sennelo of the,
00:32:34
Speaker
The prop for months or that's american eligible using like the that touring squad this earlier this fall as i go off of course we didn't get him cuz we were too stupid. We decide the mr is gonna like the mr is not a league that we need to primarily pick from your the no and it's well and you notice we're not talking about it but.
00:32:54
Speaker
We've seen that recently. The U.S. is just getting murderized. That MLR team is just getting fucked. And those overseas ones. Yeah. Right. The South America, I think. Yeah. Like get a fucking clue. Right. The MLR is not there yet. Nope. It's clearly not there yet. The results are poor and that's that's bad. Like we're like we're regressing and that's bad.
00:33:22
Speaker
Yeah, we need to last I checked. I think it's the technical term for regression is poo. Let's see what we got here. We got heffernan's in. He's we haven't seen him for a bit. Coombs, the the young monster was loose forward. That's a good one. I liked what I saw him. So that should provide some fun. It's going to be this. This automations will kind of tell us. Did Ireland peak too early? Right.
00:33:53
Speaker
And if they did, then whoops. And if they continue to show either increasing form or at least steady state, then I would be very hopeful if I was an Irish rugby fan for France in 2023. Right. And oddly enough, obviously enough, we wouldn't even be asking that question if
00:34:19
Speaker
That's just what they do there. That wasn't the case. Like that's just what they do. They, they peak a year too early and then they, you know, go into the, um, world cup and take a giant dump. So I hope that doesn't happen. I do too. I do too. I do too. We wouldn't even be asking the question if it wasn't just what they did. So let's, let's, yeah, this'll be big for them. I agree. Yeah. The Scotland squad.
Scotland's Squad and Leadership Choices
00:34:48
Speaker
No, Finn Russell. That's kind of been the big news. Oh, yeah. Oh, he seems to be living OK with it, though. He's yeah, I guess. And it sounds like for the and I think this is kind of something, you know, the World Cup team. He's like, fine. I'll just keep playing. Yeah, he should. And if he's not, then there's going to be a riot. And we know it's been a note, kind of the worst kept secret that there is some sort of rift between he and Gregor. So it's.
00:35:18
Speaker
It's not a surprise by any means in some ways, cause it's like, all right, that's cool. I don't know why, but okay. You want to give someone else a new shot at 10? I'll tell you, I don't love him, but I do like Adam Hastings the way he's playing right now. So give him a run. He might completely crap out in which case you're going to have your answer. Won't be pretty, but you'll have your answer.
00:35:46
Speaker
So there's that, there's that idea there. Uh, Jamie Ritchie is going to be the captain of the, of this team, uh, getting smart, an armband back into the pack. Yeah. I'm never a fan of, I'm never a fan of, of the armband being beyond 10. Right. And beyond that is right. The fuck out. Yeah. No, if you're a back three player, you should not have the armband. Sorry. Simple as that. And hog is not what he, uh, what he used to be, what he once was. So he agreed.
00:36:18
Speaker
Yeah. Some big favorites of you and I in here as well. There's Christie, there's Bayless, Redpath, your buddy Ben White's in this team. Yay.
00:36:33
Speaker
And there's, there's this whole controversy around not controversy, but this conversation around Blair Kinghorn. What is he? Is he a back? Is he a fullback or is he a 10? And apparently the only person in the world that thinks he's a 10 is Gregor Townsend. So we're going to find out, I guess. Yeah. I can't recall him being a good 10. So I'm going to go with he's probably not. Right. And that's just my, this is my, you know, my initial thoughts. Yeah.
00:37:02
Speaker
He also doesn't think that Finn Russell is a good 10. Right. So it's like, what the fuck does he know about 10? I don't. I think you need to need to relook on that one.
00:37:13
Speaker
He needs a new reset button on that one there, I'd say. I'm really sad to see that. Yeah, the mission's in, but. Darge. Oh, fuck. Yeah. What's his name? Rory Darge. Rory Darge. Fuck. I love that name, too. I can't remember. The former Wallaby, Jack Dempsey, is in there. I think he was one time cap for them or something like that, but he's switched. He's been, he's now switched to Scotland. Could be wrong about that. I'll check that later.
00:37:44
Speaker
when one of us is babbling a little bit too long. Yeah. Argentina, they don't have their base squad anymore of the, you know, the Haguares, but they've still done quite well in the last little bit, I'd say, so nothing to worry about with them there.
Argentina's Ongoing Selection Questions
00:38:07
Speaker
Montoya's captain again, shocker of the day. I still don't know why they're picking Thomas Lavinini. I don't. I don't get it. Because they don't have anybody better. God, you go digging, please. Like try harder. You have to have someone. Oh, anybody that's a walking yellow card or red card to his fashion, like
00:38:29
Speaker
Don't. Just don't, man. I feel like I saw Marcos Cramer at Locket. No, maybe it wasn't him.
00:38:38
Speaker
Not at the Argentinian level. I thought I saw a team name with one of their flankers at a locked position. Possibly. Maybe that's good. Maybe that's that poor Slovenini to the bench or something. Because it's OK that he gets selected. But why the fuck does he start every match? Because you start him, you know, you're playing with 14 for 10.
00:39:01
Speaker
Yeah. Trying to think of there was one other guy that was, was it, was it Petty that was playing for, he's not picked on this team. So I assume he's hurt. Uh, he had been a locking partner in there as well. And I was, I hope he would be in there. Um, Tom, but he has all the models in there. He should, as he should be. So I assume he's going to be starting every game as well. And hopefully he can keep the other guy out of trouble just a little bit. Right.
00:39:27
Speaker
So we'll see how that goes. And both, both Matias is from Newcastle are in, both Carreras are in. I would really like to see Gonzales is in, obviously. Yeah. I would really like to see Marty Mouse Matteo in there and see, see what he does on an actual stage. So hopefully we get to see that this is coming. It's coming November here.
00:39:50
Speaker
They're playing their England's our first one don't be tough. Yeah, and they're whales whales they could be in Scotland they could be yeah, I think they should be they should be whales whales I think I think they'll I think that'll be probably the
00:40:09
Speaker
the closest match that they win. Let's put it that way. Yeah. I think they'll win, but I think it'll be close. Right. That schedule definitely gets softer as it goes. Yeah. Now here's the thing. If Eddie does his usual, Edward does his usual, I know better than everyone. So I'm going to pick the exact opposite team that everybody thinks they should. They might beat them too. Just saying, just saying that possibility is out there. If they fling it around and, and, um, yeah.
00:40:38
Speaker
They could, they could easily run around the England team. Yep. I've seen them do it to other teams. And then last couple of them, we'll get onto the World Cup.
00:40:50
Speaker
All blacks, um, you know, problems with, with the all blacks for a different reason, but yeah, we'll get to that later. Uh, Oh yeah. Yeah. Uh, let's see, names going down. Fletcher Newell's the, the least experienced in terms of number of caps, but I don't, uh, that's a lie. Parafetta.
00:41:12
Speaker
Um, other than the back there, buying a new goes in there. Yeah. He's also got to only, he's only got to read fucking Reese. Blah.
00:41:24
Speaker
Centers get some restoration back to them with, um, with NR and ALB back in the team. So that's good.
New Zealand's Key Player Returns
00:41:32
Speaker
I think them having true centers would be very helpful as opposed to David Avili, who I don't think is a 12. There's that idea. Barrett Malanga obviously is the standoffs. Uh, halfback Smith, Flakatava and Christie. Very interesting. That is interesting. What is.
00:41:53
Speaker
I think, like I said, I think he's getting, he's on the outside. He's just getting some time off. Yeah. And that might be something that he discussed already with the coaching staff as well. Right. I wouldn't be shocked at that. Cause honestly, if, I mean, if I'm being honest here and can I be honest? Um, I still, I thought TJ, I thought, um, Aaron Smith has been,
00:42:18
Speaker
not Aaron Smith lately. And I feel like TJ has still been kind of TJ-ish. So I'm kind of, yeah. Yeah. And Finley Christie has been awesome. Yes, I agree. It's kind of a shame if Finley Christie bumps out TJ instead of Aaron. And that's no, again, no disrespect to Aaron for what he's done. And I guess that's why, you know, he's still going to fucking win you a great, you know, he can still pull on
00:42:45
Speaker
out of his hat as far as like he's still an amazing scrum half. It's just not like he's not unquestionable anymore.
00:42:56
Speaker
Yeah, he's not the top two. I remember way back when we did the top tiers of Scrum Hops. I don't think he's in that top tier anymore. No, he's not. So there's that. There's only one in that top tier right now. Anyway, DuPont's in his own category. There's a couple in what used to be tier one that are now tier two. And I don't think they're Aaron Smith either. I don't think neither one of them are him, unfortunately. That's how it is.
Italy's Potential and Rugby Advancements
00:43:26
Speaker
And then the Azuri last one, they did pick Monty Uwani despite him being, being based in Melbourne now, but they don't have any rules about where you can be based. So, you know, there's that out there. There's that thrown out there. I wonder, and we haven't, we haven't done our segment on this yet. We'll try and fit it in next week. I wonder if.
00:43:49
Speaker
Um, Paulo Adago maybe looks for a move that makes it possible. I mean, uh, anything's possible because it really don't care for him to be picked by, by Italy. And I, I'm kind of surprised they didn't put him here. Yeah. Unless he's still not fully fit. I know he was, he was kind of in and out. We might see it even come back. Like, yeah, I can't remember. Yeah. The one game that was back, but he played 60 minutes, I think. And then came off.
00:44:19
Speaker
Right. So it could be an injury thing. And then but yeah, imagine him at 13 with.
00:44:28
Speaker
Capozzo, Ioanni and Petavani out there. Yeah. I'm Brex in the middle. I love that team. And yeah, either Tommy Allen or Garbisi. Yes, please. There's a lot. Yes, there's good stuff there. Yeah. There's another Garbisi in this team as well. The young Garbisi who was part of the U20 team for Italy last year that beat the England U20 team. He has made this team. So that's good.
00:44:57
Speaker
A man you run your face through the wall for. Lamaro, of course, is their captain. Yeah, I, I hope we see some more progress of some sort. They're playing some more to start. So I hope they beat them. And I really hope that they find a way to just make life difficult for both the wallabies and the spring box in their, in their other big clashes. Cause that for me will just excite me about rugby in general again, because that's, that means progress for at least some, you know,
00:45:26
Speaker
lesser country that we've all been waiting for. And it's no longer this old boys club of just these teams that are in the conversation. We saw Japan take that step and that was great. And now I want to see another team take that step.
00:45:43
Speaker
And Italy, I think, is in prime position to do that. I agree, especially with, you know, when the World Cup comes around, Peledry should be back, too. Like and Riccioni, hopefully, I guess he's still. Yeah, he's picked up another bang, I think. Right. So it does suck. So there's there's a lot to like about Italy's present and future if they they make the right moves and people stay healthy. I agree. All right. Let's go to.
Women's World Cup Overview
00:46:11
Speaker
World Cup 2021. We'll try and bank through this so we're not here for too much longer because then we still got to bank through a little bit. We won't spend too much time on the prep, let's be honest. Yeah, there's only four games anyway. There's four games and there's only a few of them that are worth talking about. The Australians and the Welsh, you know, this was there for Wales.
Australia vs. Wales Match Analysis
00:46:35
Speaker
It was. And they just never looked like they were going to put it together.
00:46:40
Speaker
And that's really sad. Yeah. Yeah, it is. You know, that's really sad. They, they had it right there for them. And, you know, the, the Harry's try made me think, Oh, this could be, this could be fun. Let's, let's have this. So I was,
00:46:59
Speaker
really excited about this. And in Australia, never really put them away. Like up until that, that last penalty went over, that was about it. But man, I was just like, oh, Australia can count themselves lucky, honestly, because if they step in, like this is a vast.
00:47:17
Speaker
different vastly different game they played through their first pool game against the Kiwis where they really rocked up and showed out to the world what they're capable of and I would say
00:47:30
Speaker
This was not that level. No. And their one try was was complete fluke was just your scrum half, like just eating an asshole. But nobody, nobody defended her. So she's like, OK, well, I'll just wrote it like that is just complete fluke. You know, earned, but still a fluke. And so it was like. Yeah, they never they never really had control of this match and Wales just
00:48:00
Speaker
couldn't quite do enough to take game control. What was the, so let's see, it was 73% territory. Yeah. It's ridiculous. Nope. Sorry. Uh, it was, it was 50 50, but the possession 64%, that's what I was looking for whole game to Australia. So yeah, they had it for about two thirds of the game. And that's also evident in the defending, defending numbers for both teams. Wales had all the top tacklers.
New Zealand and France's Dominance
00:48:29
Speaker
The exception of, um, Fionn Lewis and Jasmine Joyce weren't as high as others. They had four or five wall with wall bees that had about the same or if not more, the rest of the Welsh team were, uh, were had more tackles than most.
00:48:44
Speaker
than all the Australians, like in terms of one through one through 15, like calendar, Harry's and Hannah Jones all had 20 tackles apiece. Right. Well, 245 because they what they had 151 at half. Was that right? Or is that was that from this match? I think so. Yeah. Shit ton of tackles. Remember, I remember we texted about that. So that might have been the premise. But either way,
00:49:09
Speaker
Oh yeah, that's right. That was that too. But point being, it's still a lot. It's still way too much. 245 tackles, though, in a match. And the fact that you lost by six, that's fucking amazing, really. Speaks well to Wales and less so for Australia. So they need to sharpen up before this game here. Right. If you make a team, and they only missed 18 of those.
00:49:36
Speaker
They were well over 90%. Whereas sign me up. Australia made 96 tackles and missed 13. So that there's five different and these had two and a half times as many tackles as they did. So fucking great work. Yeah. Um, won't spend too much time on New Zealand, Scotland, or France Fiji business taking care of for both teams. Yeah. France looked a little sharper. Thankfully. Uh, I thought, yeah.
00:50:04
Speaker
It was great to see the Fijians just show out the way they did. And I thought the Scots really showed well as well for what minimal prep they were given. Like I said, even the same for Fiji to a greater extent. So good on them for coming in and showing them what they do. But it's clear these two teams are just really, really world-class and that's not a mystery to anybody now.
00:50:28
Speaker
by any means whatsoever. But I did watch both matches, just wanted to see how it was. I was spoiled by one of the score lines. I was like, ooh, this is going to be one of those ones I did watch while I do work. Right. I knew both of them. I didn't know this final, but I knew what was going to happen. So I had a feeling what was going to happen.
00:50:51
Speaker
uh all right and then but i only watched the i only watched the u.s match from the sunday games so yeah well i i watched um japan and italy because yeah that would that had some bearing on this right right you know but i had a bit spoiled by it so i knew that that the u.s were yeah i kind of knew that they were in already before yep oh wait no did i oh i'm not no maybe i watched that live
00:51:15
Speaker
Yeah, that was before that was before. Yeah, that's right. What's the US match? At least watch the end of that match to get before
Japan's Performance Against Italy
00:51:22
Speaker
the US match. Yeah. The you know, if the Japanese women had done this in the first two matches, we might be talking about an entirely different pool for the way they played. And it was there for them. And eventually Italy flicked them away at the end with some, you know, with a try and the conversion. But
00:51:45
Speaker
Yeah, it really did get a little smarter than Australia by knocking over a couple of extra pallets at one point. Yeah. Yeah. No. They just kept them out of reach a little bit that we have to get the 54 minute and the 67 minute penalty. Like just that whole little kid thing. Like you're going to stay right there. You can't get me. Right. And then the yeah. And then the, um,
00:52:11
Speaker
to try to really just be done with it. Yep. And that was the end. And I was like, okay, there's that. I'm glad that we saw what we saw the Japanese team and their biggest flaw that was visually seen was really obvious. It was they don't lack, they don't have a ton of athleticism in terms of strength. They can run around teams. We saw that. We saw them do that a couple of times.
00:52:38
Speaker
Awesome. That's the strategy. But unfortunately, when teams get the pill for long, they make it hard on themselves and their line, and their line outs were not good in this match either. They were, they were, they could not lean on them, which is not good. But they want a lot of penalties and they couldn't get the lineup going. So therefore they had to just tap and go, which is really unfortunate for the amount of penalties they won. That's bad because like that doesn't take,
00:53:08
Speaker
talent to do. The line out doesn't take any talent to do. It's just teamwork. And that's what the Japan have that everywhere else. So, you know, that's the one thing that I've seen, like, you know, we have seen with Japan in the past, is that they might, you know, even the men's side, right, that they're
00:53:32
Speaker
They were undersized and cut out gummed, but they could move the ball around and they could just fuck with you enough that that's how they score. That's that's intelligent. That's playing to your strengths. You know, it's not not, you know, in untraditional ways, because that's what you have to do for your the makeup of your team. Part of that is you got to have your line out down. You can't. It's because that's such a better platform than a scrum for attack.
00:53:59
Speaker
A scrum is like, it's kind of shaky. Even if you win sometimes, it's not easy. Whereas like, if you win a line out, you know, unless it's like a slapper, you know, but that's whatever that, you know, you kind of eat it at that point. But when you can just complete a line out, you can, you have so much opportunity. You can do so many different things that, yeah, allow you to operate. And it's much more easy to win a line out than a scrum. So.
00:54:30
Speaker
Yeah, that's, that's unfortunate. I gotta get nailed that down. Yeah. So maybe she was with my boys too. We got to fix this shit. Like that's not, that's unacceptable. Yeah. And it's not hard to fix. Um, so get it done.
00:54:47
Speaker
Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see all this Italian team prayers. They get France there. They have beaten France recently. So that's going to make this a really interesting matchup. I'll try to get England who, uh, will, we will not spend a ton of time on because England did what they, what we thought they were going to do. Not a shock. Nope. Not a shock. And then we had, I want to get your initial thoughts on this match first, Canada and U S and I'll chime in.
Canada vs. USA Women's World Cup Match
00:55:19
Speaker
I never felt like it was really much of a match. The US are... They play stupid rugby.
00:55:33
Speaker
Like really stupid rugby. And obviously like, you know, that's one of my biggest like pet peeves is I don't care if you're not fit. I don't care if you're not the strongest or the fastest. Obviously from what it's saying about Japan, you can still win. You can still do things. If you're fucking stupid, you can't do anything. It's over, you're done.
00:55:59
Speaker
And they just make bad mistakes. They make a pass to a player who's crashing with zero support. And it's like, just throw the outpass behind them. Go back to back. They're not the player to hit. Yeah, I know it's Nick James. Great. But guess what? She's got no support. So she's going to flop over because she can't run that far anyway, but without falling over, even without somebody tackling her.
00:56:27
Speaker
Like, then she'll get turned over because she's got no support. So little shit like that that I saw that I just I can't deal. I hate watch this shit. It was good in patches. And unfortunately for me, just what I'm what I what I saw, it was 15 minutes of being asleep.
00:56:52
Speaker
And that's way too much time for a good team like Canada to have way too much time. And especially like, how can you not, how can you be asleep for this match?
00:57:03
Speaker
Yeah, it's kind of sad. You said it. I'll let you say the words that I concur with that are in this little blurb here on our agenda. No, I still want Rob King's job. His background, for those that don't know,
00:57:23
Speaker
He came from Saracens women, but this is a time where about 90% of the English team was being picked from Saracens. This was not at a really peak moment for Premier 15. Like it is now, like now, right? Premier 15 is a fan fucking tastic league, right? This was a very lopsided league when Rob Kane was coaching them. Yeah. And you know, the most I can say is he got us Lottie clap at that. After that, I'm out. Yeah. And it's, it's not. Yeah.
00:57:54
Speaker
it's not going well because yeah that's the thing like you can okay if your athletes are so much better than everyone everyone else around yes you can play stupid rugby you can get away you can get away with things it wasn't until right it wasn't until after he left it wasn't until other teams got good like you know that you're the harlequins one and
00:58:13
Speaker
Sowers were like, oh, like, we can't just show up and win. Just because it's us showing up like, oh, well, now that's something. And it's like he was never a part of that. That's the other thing. He wasn't a part of that. So.
00:58:30
Speaker
It's hard to expect him to understand that, but fuck. At the same time, he doesn't have the best team here. He should know that, which means he should be a better coach than this, right? He shouldn't be coaching this team the way he coached Saracens because that was, again, as you said, like they're two different, I wouldn't, you can't coach two teams the same way. It doesn't work that way. I always have to have something different because it's totally different vibe, totally different group of people.
00:58:57
Speaker
Yeah. You got to do something that you can't do the same thing. You have to teach them what to their strengths. And in terms of the players selection, it's it's just been really annoying to watch because Mick James shouldn't be in there. No. Why Cornish was on the bench. I haven't got a clue. Should have been there from the word go. Honestly, you could pick either one. I think I would have left summer and pulled action record, but that's just me. Yeah. You know who I thought played really well.
00:59:27
Speaker
in her first World Cup game was Kaylee. She looked lively when she came in. She had one boneheaded mistake that the referee covered up for her, thankfully, which was tapping the ball with your foot when there's the mark. Like, no, no, no, don't do that. But other than that, she looked good. She was snappy. She was there. She got it. She got rid of it. And I like the way she looked. And that's what I need out of my nine. If you're not going to be dirty, you would at least need to be there and get rid of it.
00:59:56
Speaker
Don't don't sit there and wait for your team to get blown back on top of your lap cuz that sucks. Yeah, you know and your friends don't like that. They want to just get down get away. Stop the fuck away. So if you get it away, they stopped doing this. So just get the fuck away. I think that's something that Scrum has don't understand like as soon as that balls out. Yeah, they generally will stop throwing because they got to go play defense now and it's like
01:00:19
Speaker
I'm shielding you. So the least you can do is not be a dick because they're being a dick to me and you're letting them do it. Exactly. You're encouraging them their behavior and helping them and stop doing that because we just lose the ball too. Absolutely. And then of course my hero had, I think she had the most tackles on the day, Rachel Johnson.
01:00:41
Speaker
Yeah, she was great. Yeah, she's usually she was actually she is the aunt of the of the back row. She's usually the one that does a little unknowns only because Casey is. Well, she's. She's ridiculous. Except for the yellow. She was awesome. Yeah, whatever, you know, yeah, just like fuck whatever. She's like, fuck.
01:01:01
Speaker
Yeah, so this cannot happen for the US if they want it because they get Canada again, right? That's a good thing in some ways because you can go back and look at it. But also Canada gets look at it again, too. So they can fix their shit and potentially just whack us. So I don't know. I have mixed feelings about how we're going to do this week from Canada. I just use the same exact game plan because it works. So.
01:01:25
Speaker
I mean, you know, you might make some tweaks here or there and be ready to because it's like, OK, well, you know, obviously the US will respond because we'll have that on film. But it's like I don't even think that really matters because I think the US just is going to be like, we play our game and that's it. I feel that's just such an American rugby thing. It is. We play our game.
01:01:45
Speaker
And it's like, well, your game fucking sucks. So change it, please. And it's hard to get. It's hard. Yeah. It's hard to get people to do that for some reason. It shouldn't be. Can we hope like this is so that you don't lose something different, please, please, please. All right. Let's dig into Prem for a bit. We won't spend too much time on the whole thing because then we're going to put you all to sleep. Right.
London Irish vs. Gloucester Highlights
01:02:14
Speaker
Let's go to Friday night, London Irish and Gloucester. And a guy I mentioned previously, Adam Hastings, the hero. Yup. What a nut to hit. I'm going to drop a hole. That's like that's true. That is. That was from distance. Like all of that was just how, how do you do that? I don't know. But that was those great fruits hanging there. Yeah. How do you swing your leg for those?
01:02:45
Speaker
I was like, he's going for this, isn't he? And shit, did he ever hit it? Yeah. Drop goals are always funny if you don't really realize at the moment what's happening, because you're like, oh, he fucked that one up. And you're like, wait, no, he didn't. Like, there's that thing of like, oh, like that kick came off all wrong. And then you're like, no, no, he drop kicked it. And that's going through and fuck.
01:03:06
Speaker
No, that was, that was amazing. And they did the, they did the instant replay like, all right, we got to check this out. Right. Cause they weren't sure it went over. Right. It was a, yeah, it was like, you don't even know what to call. So go to the video. Just check it.
01:03:23
Speaker
Yeah, it didn't help that for Irish that Arendelle came off early and yeah, he picked up an injury way earlier than he came off too. So that was less than awesome for their sake. Cause that is the spark plug. And that's the guy that leaned on the most. And I know Hasselkallen still found ways to do damage, but it's having two guys back there and loader wasn't, wasn't particularly good on this one. Having two guys back there was, is usually helpful when you can get two of them going and not just one of them.
01:03:59
Speaker
I thought this, this is the first game where I noticed. There's lots of the 12 from Georgia. Well, he had like 20 carries. So how could you not?
01:04:13
Speaker
He had the most on the team. Actually, Ackerman had the most, but he had 12 carries. But he had the most in the backs. Yeah. I mean, I noticed him, but it wasn't like, wow, he's playing great. Because like I said, he had 12 carries, 19 meters. Yeah, he wasn't doing... Clearly, his role is not to break the line or do anything amazing. It's to eat defenders. Right. And that's pretty much what he was doing on those carries.
01:04:44
Speaker
It was. I want to see him be more than a meathead. You can get any meathead to do that. I noticed him, yes. I saw him out there and I heard his name being called, but I wasn't terribly impressed. I guess that's pretty obvious. That's been an alternate obvious. Yeah, nobody really should run in this game either, though.
01:05:08
Speaker
You know, yeah. No, there's not many like shit. He had. He was what? Charlie Chapman had 26 meters for you at Gloucester for Gloucester. That was that was a leader. Ollie more so. But that was outside of outside of Hessel Collins loader and Parton broke 40 meters.
01:05:33
Speaker
Yeah. And that's it too. Yeah. It was tough. It was tough sledding in that. Right. So then four players broke 30. Yeah. That's not awesome. That's not good. No. So it was just, it was a slog and that's what it comes to. So then it comes down to the forward, what your forward is doing. Are they, you know, are they making their tackles? Are they chewing up, you know, are they making carries and not fucking it up? If the answer to all those is yes, you're going to win. And.
01:06:01
Speaker
Gloucester just barely did a little bit better than London Irish. And that's just how, that's just how that ended. Always happy to see Voldemort go down. Yeah. No, no argument on me. So do we want to go to the unexpected? Yeah. Let's go to that first. Then we'll go to, we'll go over, over the same part. I had this on while I was watching saris because it was like, I just kind of wanted to see when the scores were happening and the other one. Mm-hmm.
01:06:30
Speaker
And, oh, there's nothing on that. That's great. Thank you. There you go. Brown Premiership. Fucking a bunch of losers. You guys fucking suck. But, yeah, that was like math score, like was Myles Reed scores was one. And then I can't remember right now that I don't see any match report. So I don't know who scored the second one, but it was just like. Red path.
01:06:52
Speaker
Yes, that's right. That was the intercept. And I don't remember who had the last one. I think it was the pushover. They had a pushover as well. The mall try. Right. That's the answer there. Right. Because it was the lock and not the hookers for some reason. I can't remember. I'm thinking of a different try. You think of a different match? No, it was done. It was done. That much I remember. Yeah. And the scenes just never...
01:07:21
Speaker
Well, they got a little going, but that was poor. That's really like, you know, we've been talking about bath scoring a lot of points lately and they have been, um, since I've been scoring a lot of like, I thought this was going to be a track meet and instead they kind of got boat race. A little bit, a little bit. And it's, it goes back to the question of, you know, oops, excuse me. Um,
01:07:49
Speaker
Who, how does this, how does their defense coach still have a job? I don't get it. You know, he's, it's been awful. Yeah. It's been pretty bad. I mean, I'm not, I don't know. Their defense has not been like great shakes for a while now, but fuck points against their, their two 21 and like the,
01:08:18
Speaker
You know, Quinn's are well, they played one fewer match. So that's, that's their close London Irish are played to fewer matches. So, and they're kind of in the same neighborhood or so. So yeah, it's getting weird because of all the by weeks and stuff, but like still they're top of the table or it's top of the league and points against, they got to fix that. It doesn't matter how many points you score. If you, if you're, you're still in the negative, right? That's not good.
01:08:46
Speaker
I think is the way to put it. And for a team that right now is in the top four in points, although they've played seven matches, they've played more than anyone else.
01:09:00
Speaker
You got to be, if you're, if you're really, you know, a top table team, you can't be, you can't be loose. Although it's a way, didn't Sarah's loose to bath last year too. So maybe you can at some point. Yeah. So, um, it'll happen, but damn, not, not like that. That was, they barely showed up since right. I was disappointed. Not awesome. Not awesome. And the exact opposite of the way I was.
01:09:29
Speaker
Excited about this Harry's win. Yeah. Oh man. I was Again, I was in the car. Yeah, and I heard the good kick go over. I was like, yeah, motherfucker Okay, let's take to it on the on my Bluetooth obviously and Yeah, I am that crazy guy that just screams at nothing in his car and that's me. Yeah I've done that too
01:09:54
Speaker
Um, yeah, it was the other week, actually. I can't remember which match, but I had it. Yeah. As I was driving to a match or something. Yeah. It was the weather didn't help in terms of play.
01:10:07
Speaker
No, it didn't. I still don't like Tom Foley. No, he was a douche. I've seen people complain about him on both sides of the aisle, so that's usually a bad thing. Exactly. He didn't factor into the outcome. He affected the game though. Yes, that's probably an accurate way to say it.
01:10:29
Speaker
Like it, it was just like, God damn it. Like you'd be like, I, he totally just made that one up against saris. I don't get it. And then he'd do the same thing against exit and you're like, okay, well, I'll take that. You know, like, you know, it all kind of evened out, but all fucked as it
Saracens' Strategic Victory
01:10:44
Speaker
sucked. Yeah. It's so stupid to see. And that was a,
01:10:49
Speaker
And we had a nice little breeze down in Devon, as we often do, and that factored into things as well. And when Saracens were able to do what they did against the wind, I at least felt good about the match going into halftime. Things got a little rocky. They certainly did. I was a little worried. I was like, yeah, this might go sideways.
01:11:13
Speaker
It was really awesome. But at the same time, I was like, I still think they got it. Even after the Slade try, I was like, all they need is to get in position for a penalty or just run around. Like they've been able to run through them a little bit. So just keep doing that and it'll be all right. And then they knocked it on and there was just that little bit of time. Like if you want to see a master class and how to finish a match, that right there is it.
01:11:41
Speaker
They threw the ball around, knocked it on, but they knocked it on with still time left on the clock. They won the scrum penalty. I mean, the game's over, right? If they don't win it, they won the scrum penalty.
01:11:55
Speaker
And then, you know, oh, no, they they want to start. They want to knock on the scrum, right? They got to knock on the
Celebration Culture in Rugby
01:12:01
Speaker
scrum. Yeah. Vencell had harassed whichever shitty scrum half was in front of the exit. And then they got so they they turn they turn the ball over, win the scrum penalty and just kick it through. Like, that's just, you know, they talk about people bitch about the Saracens when they when they celebrate penalties. But it's like they understand
01:12:23
Speaker
the value in it, I think more than than other teams really do. At least not you know, among the players like they celebrate because they're like, this is something this is good for us now we and we get the chance to do fun things like they get it. It's not just about the penalty. It's about what comes from it. Like that's what makes it exciting. I don't get the whole knock on that. Like, how dare they show emotion?
01:12:46
Speaker
Right. Jesus. You could not present yourself as such a hardo in that. Like, don't show emotion just because... Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you and fuck you again. Like, go away. It's fun. Somebody did their job really well. Like, let's celebrate it, right? Listen, if I'm on the field and my teammates in a fucking B game win a penalty, you bet I'm going to come over and slap their ass and scream at them that they just did a great job. I don't give a shit.
01:13:14
Speaker
You know, to criticize as such makes you a complete ass bucket. I'm sorry. It does. Like, go the fuck away. You know, somebody criticized Ben Earl last year for the penalty he won in the final that potentially would have won the match. And I was just like.
01:13:27
Speaker
Why is he why is that like he just potentially won a match winning penalty in a fucking final? I'm pretty sure he's allowed to be emotional at that point. So go fuck yourself. Like I'm not into this whole don't
Player Milestones and Expectations
01:13:40
Speaker
celebrate thing. Yeah. Like you don't celebrate it is when you're doing things on tour with your teammates. Don't celebrate when you win because you're going back in. That's the only rule when to not celebrate. OK. Other than that, piss off. Yeah, I didn't do it, man. Just not into it.
01:13:58
Speaker
man. So anyway, either way, justice at the end loved seeing it. Yep. And the right guy knocked it over to with good in his record, record tying appearance. He'll do the record setting. You assume this weekend. Yeah. And then real quick Sunday match Sunday match. Yeah. I mean,
01:14:23
Speaker
Featuring Rob Dupree, honestly, if we're being completely honest. That's true. Yeah. He was, yeah. I mean, was it his kick through to Nick David? Yep. The one on the outside of the boot. Yep. Yeah. Stop. Yep. Filthy.
01:14:42
Speaker
Naughty, naughty. This is a guy getting into international form. Like he hasn't started the season. Great. This was him being like, no, no, no, I'm ready for auto animations. Let's fucking go. Yes, he was. Yes, he is. That's a good defense that he just kind of tore up a little bit and then it was work, but.
01:15:02
Speaker
But I also thought it was interesting that, so I'm wondering, the conspiracy theorist in me is wondering if he was asked by Eddie or instructed by Eddie to hit more penalties. Cause they've been a kick to the corner type team. Not so much on Sunday. They, they kicked for posts five, six times. That's probably like more than they have kicked all season leading up to that. Right. Well, I, I posed this question to you on Sunday and I want, I think we can talk about it now.
01:15:33
Speaker
One, we saw them, everything goes sideways with them against Lester two weeks ago when they were going for the corner all the time. So, which led them to them obviously saying, all right, let's be conservative a little bit here and there and take the points when there aren't offers sometimes, not always, but sometimes.
Team Strategy and Player Recruitment
01:15:49
Speaker
Sometimes. And I wonder if there's some hidden element that we're not thinking over that we're not seeing that
01:15:55
Speaker
Jack Walker actually had a very key role in and they're having a hard time finding a replacement to it. And I don't think the answer is obvious and or I don't think the answer is necessarily yes, but I'm just wondering if that's out there. I'm wondering if it's like all five of these things combined. A little bit. Maybe a little bit.
01:16:18
Speaker
because we know that their their driving mall has just been a little bit lackluster to say the least apart from the match that you and I saw at the stoop, which they decided to drive to over. But other than that with Walker, as you know, no Walker was not in the team. I wasn't on it. You're right. No, it was was I think it was head. I think it was George Head. Now I can't remember. But yeah, it doesn't. I mean, it doesn't matter that much, but it doesn't matter.
01:16:44
Speaker
Point being is I wonder if there's something that we're missing about Jack Walker and this whole equation that maybe we just didn't give him enough credit for. Mm hmm. Or and like I said, maybe they just they learned their lesson a little bit last week as well, where they're like, we got bit by this a lot last week, so maybe we're going to do something different this week. Just a little bit. And yeah, I think they should be on the line for some of these, you know, now that the Quinn's
01:17:12
Speaker
not the queens, the Wasp's players are kind of starting to move on. Like, why not call up a
01:17:21
Speaker
You know, not agrae or a frost frost would be a good. Yeah. That'd be a hell of a get right there. I'd go that way if I would. Not nothing against agrae, but yeah, frost is probably probably a lot cheaper at this point. Yeah. So it's like probably squeeze him in, sort something out.
01:17:44
Speaker
with someone else and yeah, get them on the squad because they need somebody who can operate that line out.
Reflection and Closing Remarks
01:17:52
Speaker
Yep, somebody. Somebody. Well, that was that. We tried not to spend too much time on it, but we turned through a lot here. We had to get through a lot. We had to do the automations teams at some point. Maybe we can separate that out or something.
01:18:14
Speaker
This isn't too bad. It's like an hour and 15 minutes. Oh, okay. Cool. I couldn't tell it when we started. Yeah. No, this was like an hour and 15 minutes. So, um, this is the end folks. So if you're just trying to turn this off as fast as possible, go ahead and do that. Yeah, go ahead.
01:18:28
Speaker
Sorry for taking up so much of your time. We had a lot to talk about and we tabled some stuff too, which is the wild part. We just had to eventually talk about automation squads. Had to get them in there eventually and with the World Cup in there, it's always going to be lengthy.
01:18:45
Speaker
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01:19:13
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01:19:46
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