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Live Slow, Die Whenever (Birthday Special)
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In this very special birthday episode of Friendless, host James Avramenko reflects on turning 38 and the internal tension he feels about birthdays. He discusses setting resolutions around his birthday instead of New Year's, focusing on self-kindness and building community. James shares insights on detaching self-worth from work, the importance of friends who challenge him, and the value of letting go of the desire for retribution. He also discusses moments of lost friendships and the quirks and wisdom gleaned from past connections. Looking forward, James expresses a desire for deeper connections, artistic satisfaction, and envisions a future where Friendless grows into a larger team effort.
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Reflections on Birthdays and Aging
00:00:08
Speaker
Well, hey there, sweet peas. Welcome back to Friendless. I'm your host, James Avromenko, and it is my birth week. So you know what that means. It's time for the annual, oh my God, how did I get this old, where did these wrinkles come from? Jesus Christ, I can think I can feel my body rotting as I speak.
00:00:30
Speaker
Retrospective.
00:00:33
Speaker
I'm turning 38 this week. Let's get into it. Lean back, get comfy, set following at a reasonable level, and enjoy my birth week celebration here on Friendless.
00:00:48
Speaker
So right off the hop, I got to admit, I have a contentious relationship with my birthday. Longtime listeners are probably familiar. Every year, my birthday rolls around and I feel this kind of like interior, internal, I don't know, internal tension around like on one half. I'm like, I love presents and I love being celebrated and I love people like literally half have to be nice to me.
00:01:14
Speaker
Right. For one day of the year, you have to be nice to me. um And I love that. at the other On the other hand, um most of my birthdays have been, and this is not me trying to like you know play the world's smallest violin, ah but they they don't tend to be all that great. there's ah There's just a lot of tension, a lot of anxiety.
00:01:31
Speaker
ah Growing up as a kid, my my birthdays were just rampant with with tension and, and you know, ah I would always have these, like... What I look back on now and realize are, like, these, like, autistic over so overloaded crash-outs, but became kind of ah legendary stories in my ah former friend groups.
00:01:55
Speaker
so So I don't have...
Setting Intentions and Self-Worth
00:01:57
Speaker
the best associations with birthdays but every year it comes around and i think to myself i'm gonna i'm gonna give it another shot i'm gonna kick that can one more time um one thing that i have started doing in most recent years in the last couple of years is ah instead of doing kind of like a new year's resolution because who the fuck starts a new uh behavior or habit in the middle of winter sociopathic ah Instead, I like to sort of set my my intentions and set my um resolutions for around my birthday.
00:02:31
Speaker
Even then, I go real gentle. Like this is not like this year I'm going to land on the moon. You know, like this is like this year I'm going to try and be a little bit nicer to myself, just a little bit more from last year kind of thing.
00:02:45
Speaker
um And and I thought what I would do ah to sort of put some of these these thoughts and these resolutions in place. is to um kind of generate a series of questions that I would ah reflect on and kind of answer on the show.
00:03:00
Speaker
I thought it'd be an opportunity for not only for me to kind of get my thoughts out of me, but also to kind of share where I'm at with with you listeners. so um So I came up with a ah long list of questions. I'll try to get through as many of them as can, as honestly as as I can. But yeah.
00:03:15
Speaker
But yeah, um I guess where I'll start is kind of like, who am I now compared to who I was a year ago? So I'm going to kind of try and walk through some of the highlights of the past year and what some of those taught me.
00:03:31
Speaker
um So I think the biggest thing that I learned over the course of the last year is how to kind of extricate my personal self-worth from my work.
00:03:45
Speaker
um i I had noticed myself really sinking into these pits of if my boss doesn't validate me and if I don't like the work I'm doing, then I must be worthless. you know and And if I'm not producing ah this podcast ah consistently week in, week out and promoting it and making content and growing and you know getting new viewers and getting new followers and dudadahdada and all these vanity metric bullshit,
00:04:12
Speaker
um If I if I wasn't doing those things and I was ah telling myself I was a failure. And something I really worked on this year was to just kind of lean back and enjoy it and and to recognize that when I do the work that I enjoy.
00:04:29
Speaker
the quality of it doesn't really matter. You know, I'm not the best at anything. And I'm also not the worst at anything. And my objective is not to do my best.
00:04:39
Speaker
my My objective is just to do what I can that day. um um I've been trying to kind of, ah you know, i've ah you're familiar with, I've been trying to kind of, you know, alter a lot of my sort of interior phrasing. And another one of these these kind of common statements ah that I'm trying to really clock is anytime i or somebody else says, well, do your best.
00:05:02
Speaker
Like, no, I'm just going to do what I can. And that's going to be good enough. um that That's my objective is basically just to do my good enough, you know, because i feel like if if I'm always expected to push to the best, to the absolute limits at all times, that's where the crash out comes in.
00:05:20
Speaker
So I'm not interested in my best. I know i can do great work. I know I can do um high quality work. Is it the best? No. And I don't want it to be.
00:05:31
Speaker
So so I think that's really one of the the reframes that I've been focusing on this this year is doing my good enough.
Community and Connection
00:05:41
Speaker
Another piece of that has been this idea of, you know, circling around the idea of of the show is is this idea of how do I show up within community?
00:05:51
Speaker
um For years now, and I continue to work on this, but for years now, I often will find myself um sitting back, not communicating, and wondering why nobody texts me.
00:06:02
Speaker
And look, part of that is other people's responsibility. Part of that is I i tend to have friends who are just god-awful texters who don't remember. you know Most of my friends have no object permanence, so if I'm not in front of them, that they don't really remember that I exist.
00:06:17
Speaker
And that's cool. That's fine. ah um But something that I've really been trying to take responsibility for is you know if I want to see my friends, if I want to hang out, if I want a community, if I want a connection...
00:06:28
Speaker
I want to be the one to forge that connection, to to to reach out, to set up a hangout or ah or ah you know something to do. right um And yeah, it takes a lot of energy and it's exhausting. And there are times where I'm just like, fuck, could someone else just text me, please? like Can I be baby tonight? you know um But at the end of the day,
00:06:57
Speaker
what i've what i've come to really center around that idea is that it is part of my values to be in community and it is part of my values to be active and participating within that community and so yes there are days where it takes more energy than others and that's just what it is um you know the way the wiscata always frames it is is um you know your hunger varies but you're always going to be hungry um so so sometimes you have to put in a little bit more effort sometimes you don't want to eat but you have to right um because that's part of the system and so so i think that's another piece uh is just recognizing and celebrating that um i am trying to build community and i'm trying to be the active participant and um and also you know subtweet like invite me out to shit you know
00:07:54
Speaker
um the next question is this idea of do you know circling to the idea of birthdays do birthdays feel different now than they did when they're of course of course because they matter less um when when you're a kid it's like you know you've only had five birthdays so like it's monumental by the time you're turning 38 it's like i can't even most of the year i have spent trying to remember how old i am um even now saying 38 i'm like I'm not totally sure that's right. I think it's right, but I can't, I'm, I'm good at other things. Math is not my strong suit, you know?
00:08:27
Speaker
And, and so like, it just doesn't feel like it matters all that much. Uh, you know, as I said in the intro, obviously it's really nice to have people be nice to you for a day. It's nice to get messages and all those things.
00:08:39
Speaker
But at the same time, it's like, I find it's just kind of another day most of the time. And, I also do you kind of low-key, I'm a little suspicious of people who are still like really invested in their birthdays into their like 30s and 40s. It's kind of like, grow up, you know?
00:09:00
Speaker
ha ha ha ha! Which which which kind of leads into the another question of what surprises you the most or what surprised you the most about getting older?
00:09:11
Speaker
I think I've talked about this a little bit in the past, but and I've definitely written about that about it. So it's this idea that... I didn't realize that I was always going to feel just like me and the sort of interior me is kind of ageless.
00:09:29
Speaker
Um, they're always, you know, the interior me is, is always a little bit younger than I, than I think I am. Um, And remembers so much so vividly.
00:09:41
Speaker
um and And I've often equated like getting older is just about having more things to remember. Yeah. And I'm sure there'll come a day where I start to forget things.
00:09:55
Speaker
You know, ah there's a long line of of dementia and other brain-related things and in both my bloodlines. So I'm sure there will come a day where it starts to get hazy and I start being crazy old Uncle Jimmy. but um But that day has not come.
00:10:12
Speaker
and And for me, getting older has been about realizing that when you're young and you kind of talk to older people, you see them as like ancient, but they just see themselves as themselves.
00:10:25
Speaker
And now that I'm on the other side of it, it's, it's like, I don't feel like I'm almost 40. I don't know what I feel like. I just feel like me. um and maybe it's because I've kind of detached myself from the pressure of like, Oh, I'm 38. I should have done this and this, this, you know, like I tried that.
00:10:41
Speaker
I tried getting married. I tried having a life. It sucked. you know It left me with deep ah trauma, ah to use the parlance. But like um I don't believe in the ladder of life, and that you know at a certain age you should have done this, and at certain age you should have done that. like Who gives a fuck?
00:11:01
Speaker
So maybe it's my own personal detachment from age, but maybe i think it's more about that how you feel inside is not a reflection of how many years you've been on Earth.
00:11:13
Speaker
um And I think it is something you don't really truly learn until you've experienced it, which is that as you age, you don't really feel older.
00:11:24
Speaker
Like you might feel, you know, more sore, but you don't necessarily feel older. um i think that that sort of that wisdom that comes with age, the privilege of aging, the privilege of getting old is something that you don't really realize until you're.
Forgiveness and Letting Go
00:11:43
Speaker
in it right and last piece of this sort of reflection is is this question of um what's one thing that you let go of this year and I was trying to kind of without going really into detail I think a big piece of what I worked on releasing this year is the the the the desire that I've held in the past for justice the desire for um what I thought was justice, but really was manifesting as retribution.
00:12:11
Speaker
um And just deciding to just kind of like let bygones be bygones and let people who treated me poorly be and not hold on to these resentments, not hold on to this anger and just kind of like let them live, you know, because the fact of the matter is, know,
00:12:31
Speaker
Whether they're going to show it publicly, whether they're going to show it even privately, whether they're ever going to express it to anyone but themselves, someone who's done something really shitty knows that they've done something really shitty.
00:12:43
Speaker
Whether they admit it or not doesn't matter. You know when you've done something shitty. And so what I've come to realize is that the prison of having made that choice is all the justice that i I'll personally ever need.
00:12:59
Speaker
um I don't have to live with that. I mean, I have to live with the consequences of their behavior, but I don't have to live with the knowledge that I could do so you know x Y, Z to someone else.
00:13:11
Speaker
um i I can live comfortably knowing I've never made choices like that. And so, i've yeah, I think I've really let go of this desire for for retribution, um masquerading as as justice.
00:13:28
Speaker
All right. Well, let's move into some nittier, grittier stuff. You know, friendless kind of wouldn't be friendless if I wasn't talking about the weirdness, the the grief, the the sort of unexpected lessons of lost friendships.
00:13:46
Speaker
um Because, you know, fact the matter is not every friendship makes it to the next birthday. Not every connection makes it to the next birthday. The people I was celebrating my birthday with last year are no longer in my life.
00:13:57
Speaker
um and And that's a strange
00:14:03
Speaker
thing to reconcile with. um And there are moments where I feel a sadness about that. And then there's moments where I feel a gratitude. um Not only that they were in my life, but that they're not anymore.
00:14:19
Speaker
ah Yikes. but but But so the first first question here was, um who was a friend you didn't expect to lose but did?
00:14:31
Speaker
And, you know, I've chewed on this one all day um because I really don't want to name names. And it has bit me in square in the ass in the past when I've tried to be...
00:14:45
Speaker
too vague to try and sort of protect other people's uh uh identity and you know their own their own shit uh but then like other people have then started assuming that i was talking about them and then i've gotten in trouble it's it's been a whole fucking thing um so i'm gonna try and steer around this story with with with um some some uh what's the word i'm looking for diplomacy i don't know but but um I had a group of friends that I was um kind of, I would say, tangentially connected to ah for years ah from university. And, and you know, um and i would kind of float in and out of it and, you
00:15:33
Speaker
And then a few of them started going down the ah really intense kind of what I call sort of like the MRA route, you know, the the the the anti-trans, very vocal, very, you know, Joe Rogan-pilled, just brain rot.
00:15:52
Speaker
And I started getting into some pretty heated arguments with them. Yeah. And it got to the point where where ah it wasn't even like a big, huge blow up thing. There had been a few fights and then somebody in one of the kind of group chats made just like a really, in which it was like the really harmless and a really ah pretty benign statement that just like was kind of the straw on the camel's back for me.
00:16:22
Speaker
and um And I was the one who just like totally just kind of froze people out. um and I don't regret that is the thing. um You know, i've I've talked many times in in previous episodes about about different ways to end relationships, different ways to to mend them.
00:16:41
Speaker
um And I often try to advocate for communication and for connection and for for these kinds of things. But in retrospect, I really don't regret just stepping away and letting them live.
00:16:53
Speaker
Because the reality is that not a single one of them reached out to ask what happened. Not a single one texted to say, hey, you know, ah what's going on? How are you doing?
00:17:06
Speaker
Right. um And so that was sort of all the so proof I need needed. um and And I think it's really important to you have connections that are challenging.
Influence of Past Friendships
00:17:21
Speaker
I think it's really important to have connections community members who don't fundamentally intrinsically align with every single thing that you believe and i think it's also really important to not have people whose uh personal and political views um threaten the safety of yourself and your other community members um you don't have to welcome in people who don't see you as human You know, um so I I thought I would feel worse about that decision than I in retrospect do.
00:17:58
Speaker
um Leads into this next question of what's something that a former friend taught you that still sticks with you. And I. I don't think that it's any sort of like singular lesson so much as i think often about all the little quirks of my day that are influenced by what other people did and what other people showed me.
00:18:19
Speaker
um Having a little ah dish towel by my bathroom sink to wipe up the the the the water um so that it doesn't get like hard water spills. um I think about ah my friend who taught me how to shave in junior high.
00:18:35
Speaker
um it was It was just three junior high boys in a bathroom with a Gillette Mach 5, totally unnecessary. um And we obviously just like chopped our faces up. but But I think about literally every time I shave against the grain, I think about that friend.
00:18:53
Speaker
I think about the friend who taught me to to fill up a bunch of water bottles and put them in the fridge so that they're extra cold and you don't have to waste your time waiting for your for the sink to cool down.
00:19:05
Speaker
I think about the friend who taught me how to play Settlers of Catan. I think about the friends who who taught me ah how to hang art on my wall with pushpins instead of k needing nails.
00:19:17
Speaker
I think about songs that ah remind me of different eras of my life. I think about specific movies that I used to watch with with certain friends. and And it just, I guess, like I say, it's not, you know, I don't feel like I am a singular being. I feel like I am a collection of all the people who have come into my life and touched me in different moments, um appropriately and inappropriately.
00:19:45
Speaker
ah but who have have offered their perspective on things and that has completely altered the way I show up in the world, which takes me into this question of, have you ever wanted to reach out to an old friend but didn't, and why?
00:19:59
Speaker
All the time, all the time. um There are people who I would love to to reach out to and and and reconnect with and just see how they're doing. There's there's people I saw at the Pride event two weeks ago that I wanted to say hello to, but I was terrified.
00:20:14
Speaker
um um there's there's people from my past who I'd love to speak to, but but i'm i'm I'm terrified um because I am afraid of being re-rejected, right?
00:20:27
Speaker
ah it was already it was It was hard enough losing them one time. i don't want to reach out and then either just get completely frozen out again, you know, as as as has happened, or to get told to go fuck with myself or whatever it might be, you know? And so it feels safer to just...
00:20:43
Speaker
keep them in the past and keep them as memories. Um, you know, I reached, I reached out, I actually did do this. I reached out to a friend earlier this year who had lost contact with, uh, a couple of years ago. and And I just said, Hey, you know, I'm, I'm thinking about you. We, I was at a, I was at a, uh, a teen angst show,
00:21:00
Speaker
And they had been the person who had brought me to my first teen angst. And so I just wrote to them and said, hey, you know, I'm thinking about you. and And it was really strange because, you know, that night they were really friendly and they were like, hey, you know, thinking about you. And then the next day they had blocked me again on Instagram and never messaged me again. So I was just sort of like, oh, OK, I guess I will fuck myself, you know.
00:21:19
Speaker
So so that kind of rattled me and made me think, you know, maybe maybe it is better to just kind of let sleeping dogs lie sometimes. Right.
00:21:31
Speaker
The last piece of this is this idea of what's one myth about friendship that you've debunked in your own life. These questions are hilarious. I actually sat
The Nature of Friendships
00:21:39
Speaker
down with, uh, I got cha gt yeah chat GPT to generate these questions. I think they're fucking hilarious. But so what's one myth about friendship that I've debunked?
00:21:48
Speaker
Um, I think that, uh, that friends, um, I don't believe in the friendship that enables you. I don't believe in the friendship that is always there to say, yes, queen, you're you right, they're wrong. ah I don't want enablers as friends.
00:22:06
Speaker
I want friends who are going to push back. I want friends who are going to give their perspective. I want friends who are going to tell me I'm wrong. I want friends who are good to who we're going to have hard conversations with me and and and speak honestly and authentically when I fuck up, not just like, you know, villainize me and and block me out.
00:22:26
Speaker
um So i think I think that's the danger of a lot of types of friendship where it's like they're your Bessie in great, easy times and then they disappear in hard times.
00:22:41
Speaker
um and i think that's a product of this like always down type friendship um because there's no room for conflict there's no room for mistakes there's no room for friction uh it has to be all easy or it can't exist um so i think i think for me it's about not having those friends who are you know that dumb hallmark card that's like a friend will help you kill your ex-husband but a best friend will bury the body or whatever the fuck the joke is you know and it's like no that's that's that's horseshit um um you know ah your best friend would be like let's get out of
00:23:19
Speaker
town you know let's create new identities and let's go to it. I don't know. I'm just riffing here, but let's like, like, I just, I don't believe in that kind of yes, ending escalation.
00:23:30
Speaker
And that's sort of like no critical thinking around the connection or around the behavior. I'm really, I'm really flying through these questions. I thought this episode was going to be longer, but I think I'm just going to, I'm just going to keep
Podcast Growth and Gratitude
00:23:42
Speaker
the momentum rolling. um I want to kind of wrap this, this, this reflection up.
00:23:49
Speaker
Um, On a, on a lighter note, I want to talk about kind of looking forward. Um, because, you know, my intention is always continue to continue growing, um, to always continue imagining what I could be doing next, hoping for the future, you know, and, and just kind of leaning into that, uh, that sort of pragmatic hope that I think, uh, I, I, try to embody, um, um,
00:24:17
Speaker
So I got a couple questions here about sort of going forward. and The first one here is if you could send a birthday invite to anyone, even someone you're not friends with anymore, who would it be and why?
00:24:29
Speaker
um I would love to invite my like. Very, very first preschool friend, Nick, to a birthday party.
00:24:42
Speaker
I haven't seen him since high school. We weren't even, we weren't friends in high school. we We were friends. We were little, little, little kids and then went to the same high school but weren't friends and haven't spoken since, you know, 20, 20 odd years later.
00:24:56
Speaker
um And I would love to send him an invite to a party together. of any kind but but birthday especially um and just kind of like see how he's doing um i don't i don't have them on any social media um so i don't know how i would even get a hold of him but but uh uh yeah nick if you're out there i love you and uh and i hope you're well and i uh yeah Someday having a birthday with him would just be absolutely magic.
00:25:26
Speaker
ah What would you tell next year you if you could send them a birthday message? um It would be, um who I don't know. It would be, hey, put your pants on.
00:25:42
Speaker
I don't know. What do even, I hope you're not dead. You know, like I, I hope this message finds you able bodied and, and not, not in a ditch somewhere. I hope you're still sober. That would be great.
00:25:54
Speaker
You know, I don't know that, what are those, the those thoughts, those future thoughts, they always freak me out because I always feel like they're, they're, um they're kind of tempting fate.
00:26:06
Speaker
You know, ah it's probably just, because of who my mother was that I have this very morbid sense of dread around everything. But, you know, I remember there's that Beatles song that's like 63 or whatever. Would you still love me? Would you feel something when I'm 63? You know, every time that song came on, my mom would say, Well, he didn't make it to 63, you know, and and it's just like that kind of like, you know, just morbid, dark.
00:26:35
Speaker
um And so I always think when you're making those kinds of pledges, it's you're you're you're setting yourself up for to become God's punchline, you know. ah But that being said, the next question is, what do you want to feel more of this year? And I think that's a more generalized. I think I like that idea more.
00:26:52
Speaker
Like, what do I want to feel more of? I want to feel more connected. I want to feel more connected to myself. I want to feel more connected to my core group of friends. I want to be more active in my friends and I want to participate more. it I want to be I want to feel like I am getting outside more often.
00:27:07
Speaker
I want to feel more satisfied in my personal work, in my art, in my creativity, in what I put out in the world. um I want to feel like I am on a trajectory that is not financially growing,
00:27:24
Speaker
I mean, look, we live in a capitalist hellscape. We need money to survive. So I think a piece of it is I would like financial security, but it's more about I would like to grow a deeper sense of satisfaction in my.
00:27:38
Speaker
Oh, um that's not about consistency, just about like I want to put more elbow grease into the work and I want to get some of this work off my plate. I have books and books and books and books and books of poetry and short fiction and all this stuff.
00:27:52
Speaker
that is just dying to get published and I just can't get my head out of my ass to edit it and then submit it or or self-publish it or whatever. So I think I want to feel um a satisfaction knowing that I got some of that off of my plate.
00:28:07
Speaker
And lastly, if friendless could evolve into anything this year, what would you want that to look like? And this is another tricky one because, um you know, I have my sort of like cockamamie blue sky dreams of like, I would love to do this paul podcast full time.
00:28:25
Speaker
I would love for it to catch on and, and grow. And I would love to be able to expand the, the output. I'd love to be able to, to put out more consistent episodes. I'd love to have bigger guests. I'd love to have more, more dedicated, you know, uh, uh, research time to some of the deeper, uh, mini series and topics that I want to dive into.
00:28:46
Speaker
I'd love more time to, to create surrounding content. I'd love, I think really what it is, is I'd like to grow a team. I'd like to grow a support system for the show. You know, um something that I've learned in my my my day job is this idea of like, you can't have one person teams.
00:29:05
Speaker
um You know, if you're trying to grow a product or you're trying to grow a service or whatever it might be, you can't just lump everything on one person and say, hey, go do all of social media or whatever it is. um You know, I've tried to enlist help here and there.
00:29:20
Speaker
The problem is that all that ends up happening is, you know, there's a massive workload on me that I end up just kind of shuffling over onto this other person and they don't do it because it's too much work. And I'm like, yeah, buddy, I get it.
00:29:31
Speaker
um So I think it's more about like, I think I'd like to grow like a team of people who would be willing to put in the work to to help grow this show. You know, I need help with social media. I need help with the promotion. I need help with editing.
00:29:46
Speaker
I need help with guest relations. You know, like there is a lot of elements of the show that I'm doing myself and I'm doing good enough, but I want to improve and I want to refine it and I want to grow. um So I guess if, if, if, if I could speak to you a year from now friendless, my hope would be that I would have a community in the show that is then kind of growing its it's you know its place in the kind of podcast ecosystem.
00:30:12
Speaker
So yeah, that's kind of a, those are the wrap up questions. um I'm trying to think if there was anything else I wanted to slip in. um but But honestly, I think that's kind of it. I just wanted to say hi. i didn't want to take up lots of people's time. um um I just wanted to make sure I got something out here and just kind of rambled for a little bit. I hope some of these ideas, some of these thoughts were insightful.
00:30:34
Speaker
If you wanted to be a part of the friendless team, why not reach out? Why not to let me know? What are your, what are your rates? Because I have no money to spend, but, but but we can figure something out. Anyway, that's a sidebar.
00:30:48
Speaker
Yeah. My, my actual birthday is on August 24th. Message me. Be nice. At friendless pod on, on Instagram, TikTok. You can email me from this pod at gmail.com. Send me a little message.
00:31:00
Speaker
Wish me a happy birthday, goddammit. And ah as is required by law, we all know this, um it is it is a law that if you have a crush on me, you are required to tell me on my birthday.
00:31:16
Speaker
So I'm just putting that out in the world because if you don't tell me, you're going, you know, you're going to the clink, okay?
00:31:26
Speaker
You're going away for a long time, big boy.
00:31:30
Speaker
yeah Anyway, I'm going to wrap this up here. i just want to say thank you. Thank you so much for listening through. You know, ah thanks for kind of spending bit of my birthday with me. You know, whether you're just a, whether you're a stranger, whether you're a listener, whether you're somebody who used to know me, whether you're somebody who who knows me now, I want you to know that this show exists because of you.
00:31:54
Speaker
So thank you. Thank you for, you know, being a part of my life. And thanks for letting me be part of yours. but let's wrap things up here thank you one more time for listening i will catch back here next week with a brand new interview it's amazing i cannot wait to share this one i actually have a uh a world exclusive song that's coming coming with the episode so so stay tuned for that i hope you will be here with me next week but as always hey i'm not gonna worry about that right now and neither should you because that is then and this is now so for now i'm just gonna say i love you and i wish you well
00:32:31
Speaker
Fun and safety, sweet peas.