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Season 5- Episode 40- Double Trouble (Super Rugby Round 15) & Fantasy Corner Finale
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It is another episode of those American rugby idiots to help you fill that void for an hour or so. On this episode we start off with chatting live (at the time) about the U.S. U-20s against Canada in their qualification for the World Junior Trophy and the implications for the rebuild of the Eagles. Then that leads to a chat about how poor quality officiating leads to poor quality of plays and/or players. Of course, we address the elephant in the room with the Exiles filing for administration this week, shame. THEN we finally head off to the final round of Super Rugby before the Quarterfinals including the big one in Wellington. Finally, finally we get to the ATL where the Free Jacks take care of business thanks to a few worldies from the boys and we look forward to the trip in Seattle.
With this download, you can fast forward to the 1:01 mark for the Fantasy Corner as we wrap up the Champi-Yanks League season with the announcement of the FRD Super winners, the overall league winners and our last bit of pick em on the FC. It's a big one so kick back, relax and have a giggle with us, won't you?
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:00:02
Speaker
It is. The Fantasy Robias. My name is Jared Dyke. I wanted to say it's stupid and let's move on, but then you kept going. I'm Ben Glauser. I don't like any way anybody gambled that. Collusion. Collusion.
00:00:27
Speaker
Hey, everybody. Welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauser. We're in. We're here. Yeah, we got not so many matches to talk about, but lots to talk about at the same time. So let's get into this, because we're going to... I can't imagine that you and I can just find things to talk about. Let's be real. We could spin a yarn for hours if we wanted to. I mean, hours.
00:00:53
Speaker
I'm pretty sure anybody listening to this podcast or at least understands that and be like, yep, I believe that. They're telling the truth. I mean, we did do a 24 hour. We did. Wasn't quite 24 hours of us talking, but we talked for a long time in that. We did indeed. And anyone who sits near us at Freejax Games.
00:01:16
Speaker
Oh, I know. Although not now you have to be closer to us to hear us now. It's, it's kind of getting loud. That's good. I love it. Getting loud over there. Wow. There's actually people in this, like, yeah, that'll go into our whatever later. Yeah. Um, yeah. Make sure that you find us on your favorite podcast app download rate review.
00:01:38
Speaker
And also, if you are a recipient of your league's title this past week, you owe that man, the fantasy movie geek, a coffee, because it's likely that you use some of his advice to get you where you are. So go do your dirty right meow. Meow. Right. And meow. Cool.
Discussion on Social Issues and Politics
00:01:58
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As always, there is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life. We continue the theme of Pride Month.
00:02:07
Speaker
because yeah, there's still lots of things going on. Like there's a pretty much a state of emergency for anybody with for all rights for LGBTQ plus. Um, it's a problem. It's not, it's not news. It's a problem. Just the same. And I don't, I wish
00:02:32
Speaker
Yeah, I'm I feel like I'm at a loss, unfortunately, which is like really a shitty place to feel like for me. Because I know I want to help, but it's like, Jesus Christ, what the fuck? What the fuck, you know? People that know better are doing anything about it. Right. And that's the problem. It's like we can that's one of my big issues, as you well know, speaking of talking on hours and some things like. There's only so much we can do as individuals, like, you know, we elect people, we get people to represent us and.
00:03:01
Speaker
Like that's their, that becomes their job and it really pisses me off when they turn around, you know, and this isn't anything, you know, whether, you know, whether it's politics, like, you know, or government, I should say, it's always politics. Fuck. Um, whether it's government, whether it's your, your local rugby club or your, your, you know, any, anywhere within that, like.
00:03:20
Speaker
There's the people who are there supposed to try to do the best they can to make sure everything's inclusive. Everything works. Everybody has a good time. And so ultimately, you know, everybody's cared for. And they don't do that. And they turn around and be like, why don't you guys organize for that? It's like, we voted for you. That was our organization. Like you said you were going to like. Yeah.
00:03:47
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Yeah, it sucks because you do feel left out and like, you know, frozen. You feel like you feel like you did all the right things and all of a sudden there's still these extremely prejudicial laws being passed and
00:04:01
Speaker
Yeah, I just basically left holding privacy in your hand. So for those who were listening a few weeks ago, remember when I was talking about those laws that were passed in Florida and then the job sites kind of just completely froze? Right. Well, now the representatives are having to answer questions about it because it's it's still happening. And they're all like, well, we passed these laws just to scare people. We didn't want to actually. And it's like, well. Just to start working out for you when you see people, what do you think they do? They're like, oh, I'm scared. I guess I'll just stay right now. They'll leave.
00:04:29
Speaker
Like, you don't like that. This is why this now has hurt the state because shit's not getting done there. The farmers are fucking pissed. And it's like, well, you voted for this. This is like, you know, as I said earlier, you know, you said you were gonna in this case, they said they were gonna and you elected them because you liked who they were going after until you realize that it's the people who grow your food and build your building.
00:04:55
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and you're like, and now all of a sudden it's like, Hey, you realize this is your community. That's how this works. We're all a community borders are like, okay, I know I'm not getting into it. Borders are fucking they're the man-made construct. They don't really matter. Right? Everybody's people. We should treat everybody like people.
00:05:11
Speaker
That doesn't mean open boards everybody coming. No, but it means, you know, like recognize them that they're fake, that they don't really exist. They're silly. It's just a. We drew them on a map a long time ago. Right. Exactly. And they're just there. They don't really mean anything. No. In the grand scheme of things. So like it's not a reason to hate someone just because they're not within your border. Right. Or even if you perceive them to have not been from you. Like, fuck. Yeah, that's even worse. Or like, you know.
00:05:41
Speaker
It's not even illegal immigrants who are leaving. It's a lot of just immigrants who are like, nope, I'm taking the fuck off. I see what you know. What do you think they left to come here? Do you think they left like. You know, happy, idyllic countrysides, or do they leave places where they're like, yeah, if you guys stay here, we're just going to kill you. Like they know the writing on the wall. They see it like their families have seen it like they're getting the fuck out. This is what you wanted.
00:06:09
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Yeah. That's what happened. That's what discrimination gets you. Good. Indeed. Indeed. I'll name. US is kicking the shit out of some maple leaves, huh? Yeah.
Celebrating Milestones and Listener Engagement
00:06:27
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So yes, of course, before we get into it, we have 200 episodes. We have some questions that have already come in, which is great.
00:06:35
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That'll be later on this month. We do appreciate you all for asking the questions and getting them in and keep them coming. I'll put something out again this week so we can give more folks opportunity to ask. Especially if you want to hear from our wives.
00:06:52
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Why the fuck do you let these idiots do this? That too. And why did you marry these individuals? What made you pick these morons?
US Rugby U20 and Youth Development
00:07:06
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So currently live we have us rugby and Canadian rugby u20 for men's. This is the world Junior Trophy qualification. This is something I've actually spoken about before. This is basically the second tier of world the world Junior Championships the u20 championships. Junior World Cup as some people might call it.
00:07:27
Speaker
So this to me is extremely interesting because this is how we rebuild. This is where the rebuild needs to start is at this level. And they're actually killing it right now. So I don't, I don't think they qualified for the last couple world, world junior trophy. So this would be a step in the right direction for me.
00:07:47
Speaker
If we were able to get this, we have one, we have one, this is the first leg that up 31 to seven right now. And actually I've been watching, I watched about 25 minutes that, um, of the first half they've scored in variety of ways, which is great. They've had some power. They've had some effort. They've had some, uh, they scored on them all try like, yeah, they've had some really nice stuff. Um, and I really liked that I'm picking up the lineup here. Yeah. This.
00:08:14
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They call him Basage, whatever it is. The 13 has been a monster. He's got two tries and he's basically hoarse himself over for both. Yep. Dominic actually. Oh, okay. Yeah. Their 15 crimp looks absolutely splendid. And this, the six McCaupin set up the, hey, a prop try. All right. Yes. Love me a prop try.
00:08:40
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Chevy and read over. Oh, well, he's a it's a one. So yeah, kind of propped her fine. That is a propped. I listen. This kid, I'm going to butcher his name, McCaupin, McCaupin, whatever it is, the blindside flanker for the U.S., he he got one at the or he set one up at the death. It was in the Canadian 22 or in the U.S. 22, like defending and ball square to lose. He picked it up, was able to not. Oh, intercept. Nice.
00:09:10
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I was able to nudge it through. This kid's sex right here. Yeah. Looks really good. Yeah. He was able to nudge it, nudged it downfield and then chased his own kick, nudged it again. Oh, nice. And it clanked off one of the post pads. So the Canadian guy was like, no. Oh, yeah.
00:09:34
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Who picked it up? Pongy, the 11. The 11 picked it up. So that was a great just hustle try and, you know, a heads up play type of stuff. Yeah, this kid's been... There were four people. It was a four on 0. That's ridiculous. That's such a good rugby. Yeah. Commentaries, Chris, I just... Crip just missed a kick. He had been good. He had been great. Oh, that's close. Yeah, but he's, you know, he's at the five meter line.
00:09:58
Speaker
It's like he's tired. He's kicked a lot. He's definitely kicked a lot. That was busy. Yeah, that that I think that try was set up by the 13 again.
00:10:11
Speaker
Dominic Passaic, Passad, whatever it is. I don't care. We're going to figure out his name soon, I bet. Yeah, we'll learn it soon enough. Yeah, real freaking quick. Anyway, so this excites me, this interests me. This and, as you and I saw, the U23s are going to be playing Canada as well for the women at Quincy. Okay. Oh, nice. Yeah, that's right. This will be something that I'm going to be extremely interested in getting a ticket for, and I'm going to definitely encourage my
00:10:40
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my youngsters to go get a ticket for it as well. Absolutely. I truly believe I have at least one or two kids that might be able to achieve that. At least give them something to look at and to shoot for and say, okay, this could be a thing, this could be me. It's doable, especially when they're that age. You can turn that around
00:11:03
Speaker
pretty quick. If you, if you put in the work, it'll, it'll reward you. Yeah. I got a couple of hard workers in there. So, um, yeah, I'd love to see it show them like this is, this is something you could be, you could be doing. So I hope, I hope it inspires them a little bit, but that type of stuff is the thing that interests me the most in terms of both, both teams, especially, but definitely the, um, definitely the men because they have, we obviously know that the litany of issues that we've had, we've,
00:11:29
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had basically nothing in the pipeline forever. We haven't prioritized youth by any means whatsoever. Yep, that was a good scoot there. Hulu, that's right. So yes, this is excellent. We have very, you know,
00:11:46
Speaker
Appreciative of the work that's gone into making this what it is because yeah, it did. This is the future the children of the future like we got to Teach them better than this, but that's right Yeah, you know five years ago that rock is lost and there it is a win and they've lost they got a penalty Yeah, they put hands in like a bunch of idiots. They need to well. Yeah, they didn't need to they had won that rock but like they'll that that's a step that they'll get to but um
00:12:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's good. This is good for the USA's future because nothing, nothing.
00:12:18
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We need a future like this is if this is for like 30 or 2031 good like I'll say right. Right. And I would still like to qualify for 27 like would be nice. I would be I would be really. Yeah. But I mean, let's compete in in 31. That's where I would. Yeah. That being the ultimate goal, like let's let's qualify for and get back in 27. And let's yeah. Let's be a competitive side. I mean, we haven't won a fucking pool game since 2011.
00:12:47
Speaker
Right. Like I'd like to win a couple at least. Yeah. And that was, it was Japan when, what's his, what's his ascot sent home. So yeah, that was an embarrassment. That was such an embarrassment. Yeah. Well, we were on a donut for that one. Yeah. So like, good. I'd rather not qualify rebuild. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. And we didn't, and we didn't win any in 2015 either. Right.
00:13:13
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Yeah. And Kat and Kat Roach is referring this as well. And she's done a great job thus far.
Challenges in Rugby Refereeing
00:13:20
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A couple of boys were about to start some handbags and she's like, what did we talk about? Like very motherly. Yeah. I was like, Ooh, that's a voice you don't want to fuck around with. Oh, don't get it. Don't give that up. Nice. But yeah, so with with the Oh, yeah, right.
00:13:43
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with the comment about, um, the, the referring is also a problem here in the U S uh, I will say, and you know, you and I talked about less, uh, this past fall when we didn't qualify, uh,
00:14:01
Speaker
I think it was actually even in the summer when we lost to Chile. That was it. But then with guys that were getting away with neck rolls in the MLR and all of a sudden Luke Pierce is on the spot, pulls the TMO and all of a sudden they're all getting picked up and that ended up being a big costly thing for us.
00:14:17
Speaker
And that's just one of those things where it's like, oh, come on. Our refereeing doesn't pick that up because it's not good enough. And because it's slower for those actual real international referees, the game moves slower. They've seen this all before. So they know what they're looking for in certain situations. That's why they mostly get it. Or at least the TMO get it pretty quickly and deal with it.
00:14:46
Speaker
these guys who just play in the MLR, it's so much slower. So it's such a step up. So they're trying, yeah, they're getting away with shit at this level and they can't get away with it at that level. No, no. And I had, so a couple of weeks ago, I obviously talked about this already with Ben. I had a really annoying personal experience in a game where quite simply a referee didn't know a basic law of like that you can scrum from a free kick.
00:15:14
Speaker
That is 101 shit that you should know. Right. And I had to flash. That's basically gives you now as an app for the law book so you can go and be like, here it is right here in writing. Yeah. That this is a thing. And the fact that you're not letting me do the thing that this says I can do makes you a fucking idiot. Right.
00:15:37
Speaker
But the problem is that many referees get that and they see it as a challenge. I remember Dymo getting carded for doing that once. He's been carded for a few times. We've all seen Dymo carded for everything. Usually he deserves it in this case, though.
00:15:54
Speaker
He didn't because he's like, this is we did. This is the right thing. Ref just didn't give a shit. But yeah, it's to the point I totally told you it's like if I'm going to do something weird, like if I'm going to do something that doesn't look right, I'm going to tell the ref before the game just to be like, hey, when we do this, I'm going to try, you know, like this line out, we're going to throw over the 15 meter mark. Like we do that regularly.
00:16:16
Speaker
it'll happen. So just be ready for it. And that way they can be like, well, that's not legal. You know, like, no, it's legal. You can have that discussion beforehand. And I learned that from football coaches who would tell the refs or trick plays beforehand because the refs they like that we've had like inadvertent whistle shit like that that blow up a huge play because the ref thought like, oh, I thought that was a handoff down. So it's like, nope, got to tell.
00:16:42
Speaker
Yeah, but yeah, there's there's just the lack of game knowledge, too It's like the problem isn't that we have to do that. The problem is that We have to do that for like the obvious like a 15 line out that goes over the 15 meter right like Yes, no, he can't be outside. That's fine. Like he can as soon as that clears the the five meter mark if as long as it goes over he's 15 he's good to go right and That's yeah, that's the you know, there's no
00:17:12
Speaker
No, it's yeah, it's and you know, I've seen a ref who. We had a penalty, the ultimate that high tackled one of our players, the ref caught it and. There wasn't really a good place or fly half chipped it, try to chip it over the top and their wing caught it and he's like play on.
00:17:32
Speaker
He's like, well, you kicked away advantage. It's like, he knows the words you kicked away advantage, but like a penalty advantage is not a scrum advantage. Like 10 meters up the field, giving away possession is, is not, that's not a given away advantage for that's not kicking away advantage for a penalty, especially a high tackle. Like.
00:17:51
Speaker
And it's just that they know the words, they know some of it, but they don't really know what it means. No. And that's troublesome. That's even worse. That particular ref. Yeah. That particular ref only likes, you know, watching MLR, doesn't watch any of the international. And mine had the same problem as well. Yeah. Doesn't watch anything. You know, it doesn't watch PR. It doesn't watch USC. It doesn't watch top 14 or a lot of international rugby.
00:18:14
Speaker
watch his college and MLR and the 15 problem was the one that I had as well. So I challenged him on that too and back and looked, he's like, you're right. I was like, yeah, I know I was right too. I don't know what the hell you guys are doing in your spare time, but like you're officials, you need to know the laws. There are officials that just seem to be married to laws that were from 1990s and
00:18:39
Speaker
They don't want them in their brain. So it's like, what are we doing in this country to make sure that doesn't happen anymore? Because it's not only it's not just because it, you know, kills something in the game. And by the way, that throw was fucking money. And I was so pissed. It didn't fucking work because the guy didn't know the law. It's not just that it's.
00:19:01
Speaker
Advancing these kids' knowledge, especially these young players' knowledge, and advancing it to the point where they could know some of the nuanced stuff a lot earlier. Like, I have players that know the nuanced stuff, but that's because they're committed. They're crazy committed. They're really, really committed players to learning the laws and stuff like that. You're going to get one of them probably.
00:19:24
Speaker
But it's, it's, there's so many different things that stem from it, that like, it can't be a problem. Like, all right, I'm wrong, whatever. And you live with the result at the end. But like, when you tell the players that this is wrong, when it's really right, it only can use them, which is really awful.
00:19:44
Speaker
That was exactly the point I was going to make is that it's confuses them. Like, wait, is that legal or not? Because everything I've heard says that that's legal. And this ref saying it's not. And that just puts doubt into every every call any ref makes, because it's like, wait, is that actually illegal? Like, that's the problem. Know the fucking laws. It's it's for, you know. Like, you're not doing it to be a rugby ref. You're not because or else you'd obviously be more committed to it.
00:20:12
Speaker
I don't know what the fuck you're doing this for, but ultimately it's for, so we can play some rugby, right? We have to play the game. So you have to know, be up to date on the rules. Like, you know, I talked to, when I referred the old boys, the alumni match would be you.
00:20:28
Speaker
Like I asked them, I was like, how, you know, how, when was like, is, has anybody, everybody here played in the last three years? I just, you know, raise your hand. And they were all looking at me like, what the fuck are you talking about? And I'm like, I want to know when the last time you played in a real match was. So if you know the current rules or not, like I want to make sure you understand when I make calls, why I've made them like, cause I'm not trying to be a Dick. I just want to know that. Oh, and I also want to make sure that there's any, if there's any confusion, I can clear it up. And they were like.
00:20:55
Speaker
Oh, that's a really good question. Like, because, you know, we saw Libby with the old boys run with the fucking forearm leading. No, it was like after like after I had to card him, I'm like, Libby, you can't do that. He's like, but I could when I played. It's like.
00:21:07
Speaker
Well, you can't now because it hurts people, you dumb shit. Right. Like we're playing the we're playing the game today. This is the way it needs to be played. And it's good for the kids to not be confused because I had that in football a couple of times, too. And it's like, no, I know this is right. And the ref got it wrong. And and it's it's frustrating. Yeah.
00:21:26
Speaker
And it's yeah, it is confusing because it's like, no, what we did was perfectly legal. And yeah, you think it wasn't like. Yeah, it's it's because I'm a kid. That's all. There's like it's hard to like for because all kids do is get judged. So yeah, like no shit. The last like they just, you know, they don't need that kind of. They can't tell you can't explain. You can only explain so much to them is how it works. Like, yeah, you fucked up.
00:21:53
Speaker
Like, but why did he do it? Because he fucked up. He just didn't know. Like, yeah, for them, it's it's doesn't at least when I was a kid anyway, it didn't make sense.
00:22:01
Speaker
Fuck, I'm fucking 43 and it still doesn't make fucking sense sometimes. It's not like perfection that we're seeking, it's consistency and accuracy that aligns with how rugby is played today. And that's more my point, like don't get stuck in another generation with your laws because we had a referee that was saying only the kicker can put people on sides on a kick. I'm like, what?
00:22:30
Speaker
freaking generation are you stuck in lady because i've never played that i was like i don't even know if i've ever played that law like right that makes zero sense like nobody plays that law what planet are you on no i've never played under that and i played back when they used to use the clump of dirt for tits to restart the match so yep yeah and i know that referee too and i know that she didn't play she's younger than me so she never played under those laws either so
00:22:59
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know if they ever existed. I don't know where she picked that law. So that's really sad. Like it's not even it's something that she's making up in her own head, which is even worse. So no, no, no, no. So referees, I and I make sure I always make sure to thank referees, especially if they do a good job. If they do a bad job, I still thank them for doing it because it's not fun and it's thankless. But like they do a really good job. I hugged the one like who said?
00:23:23
Speaker
woman I coached back in the day, but I hugged her at a tournament. I was helping to coach one of the teams, but they weren't really my players. And I thanked her because every time, if a pass just went a little awry or whatever, she's just like, I play on.
00:23:38
Speaker
Don't call a knock just to call a knock. We didn't come here to scrum. They need to play. And it's like, yes, that's what we need. And they made sure she was at the ref booth, too. I'm like, I want to make sure everybody here is at the ref booth. Here's me say this to this referee. You know, it's your first time out. Like, you all need to be doing this. Yeah, please do this more often. Thank you. And goodbye. Thank you and goodbye. OK.
London Irish's Financial Troubles
00:23:59
Speaker
We have another elephant in the room to talk about as well. Now that it's finally confirmed, confirmed, confirmed.
00:24:08
Speaker
I. This is one I feel bad, but I don't. I feel bad for a lot of people. It's one of those like you ever see those like. Oh God, ouch.
00:24:25
Speaker
Like they're sending a message to like all different sorts of people who are all connected and they're like, not you in the middle. It's like, I feel bad for you, you, you, like for bad for every, all the London Irish fans, supporters, not you too. Oh, and then like, and then, you know, on and on and on. It's like, there's only, there's a very limited focus area where I'm like, fucking serves that person right. It's like, fuck you, fuck you. You're cool. Fuck you.
00:24:52
Speaker
I feel like Oliver Hoskins was upset about it on the Twitters today. Absolutely. And he should be. Yeah, it's like he doesn't deserve this. Look, what did he do? He just came and kicked some ass for a couple of years. And this is how you did him because you couldn't manage your team. And yeah, to see that fucking Adam Coleman makes 900K. Why are you paying 900K to a guy who really only tackles and rocks? That's literally all he does.
00:25:20
Speaker
Right. Like, does he carry? Does he does he does he see the one throwing the ball around? No, he doesn't do that. He doesn't. Nobody. He doesn't. How much gait does does Adam Coleman draw that you're fucking like, do they not really get red yards? Right. That too, when he's when he's available.
00:25:39
Speaker
And it's like, you do that and then you sign other big names as soon as you think. Yeah, something different. I couldn't remember if it was him or Robin. They're in a care card, a red card. All right. Sounds good to me. Yeah. But who's that other lock that they had, too? Rob Simmons? Simmons, yeah. Who's also like kind of like you sign these guys who are... Yeah, to be honest, yeah. Right. And then you pay them, obviously, the 10. Like you pay money to him and then you lose sponsorships. Like they didn't make... When you are...
00:26:09
Speaker
Okay, so I'm an engineer, I'm this humble little engineer, but I'm still gonna school some business people here. When you sign a player, the whole point is that they make you money. They're an employee. The whole point is that they provide more value than you pay to them. That's how they provide you value. That's capitalism. Yay, love it, right? You get to reap the rewards. Not that they aren't rewarded too, but like when you sign a player and then lose sponsorships, so you're automatically losing money on the deal right there. And then you sign a player who doesn't freaking gate.
00:26:39
Speaker
for 900k a year and pisses people off and makes it worse for your team. And probably, honestly, without him, you might be top four. Right. Well, without him, you're not freaking belly up because you don't lose two of your biggest sponsors. Certainly your biggest sponsor. Oh, that guy, too. Yeah. I'm talking about I was thinking about Coleman. Like, oh, no, no, I was already on to dipshit.
00:27:03
Speaker
Yeah. And it's like, yeah, you lose sponsorship and then you fold your club. Like what are you doing? How does this, like, what, what did, how'd that work out for you? Mr. Fucking venture capitalists. Yeah, it's, it's a lot of, it's like, I.
00:27:22
Speaker
And they've been kind of floundering for years, especially since they were up and reading for a while. That was not helpful for them for any means whatsoever. Getting back to London was a very smart move on their part, but it came with consequences, obviously, because you and I think what they did
00:27:40
Speaker
Might have been survivable if they had signed dipshit and then let him go before this recent season But not only did they sign dipshit They also put him into the fucking leadership like and started from putting his face on ads. I was like, nope Like there are some people that aren't gonna give a shit and that's just how life is But there are enough people that are gonna say fuck that and go right now I may not go to as many Irish measures. I want to this year, you know Because here's the thing to your point if you cut
00:28:10
Speaker
Asshole. How many people will never come to your game again? Zero. Zero. They'll all be back, right? They'll be pissy. They might complain. They might not, actually, because if he gives you more money to sign some other players, they probably are pretty happy about it. But keeping him, how many people don't go or don't engage with London Irish because of it?
00:28:37
Speaker
like enough to make a difference. Enough to make a difference. And that's a problem. Yeah. And I spent the afternoon a little bit talking about this on Twitter because I got retweeted by
00:28:55
Speaker
Uh, an account that I probably shouldn't have been engaged with anyway. That was my fault. One of those, you know, I could have prevented this. I could have just said nothing. And it's like the problem. Prem have a problem too. I crossed the board.
Enhancing Rugby's Fan Engagement
00:29:09
Speaker
They have a problem now. That's three teams in one year. Yeah. They got to get people in this point. They got to get people to the games. They got to get eyes on the product and.
00:29:18
Speaker
like that means you have to improve the product. Like this person I was talking to didn't really get that that's what you have to do. You have to improve the product and then people want to watch it and then people want to go to the games. Again, even the Pro D2 teams in France are packed and they're spectacular. It's like minor league baseball.
00:29:38
Speaker
Like, yeah, let's go out to the fucking Paw Sox now. Will sucks. The Blue Sox. The Blue Sox. But because it's fun, it's it's cheap and it's entertaining if you like baseball. Like, so you go to the minor league game because the major league game is too expensive. But it's also a product you want to see.
00:29:59
Speaker
You're not going to go if it's like, and they were seeing this with the free jacks. Love seeing what we're seeing with the free jacks abs. It's great for the league, but it's fucking awesome for the free jacks and a great for us because you know, they're going to, they, if this keeps up, they should be good for a long time because they've getting gate, like they're getting 3000, 4000. They're out drawing some prem teams at times now as an MLR team. Right. It's.
00:30:25
Speaker
And they're not outdrawing them just because the product is good, although the product is excellent. You go to a free jacks match and you're entertained.
00:30:33
Speaker
on the field but off the field there's also you know like there was even an article in whatever um the the local sports talk people are getting interested in it um the globe and they're writing about like yeah there's dancing there's like concert before and after the games like there's all sorts of fun to do with your family like people of all ages like they're bringing people into it and then showing them a fun they're like oh you want to come back because this team is good like
00:30:58
Speaker
And it's fun to watch. I've seen teams where people are like, I don't understand what I'm seeing. And it's boring. Versus now, people say, I don't understand what I'm seeing, but this is fucking awesome. They don't understand it, but we'll bring them into it. They'll get it. Absolutely. Because it's fun to watch. And the premise is just not fun to watch. And that's the thing, though. The Irish were fun to watch. So what the fuck is going to get you away? Right. They had a good product on the field. Think it might be that 10? Yeah, right.
00:31:29
Speaker
And overall, there was a good product on the field for the prem with the exception of the few and far between.
00:31:36
Speaker
This year it got good at the end. There was some good stuff, you know? Like, and a lot of the games were, I don't necessarily want to say close, but what I want to see is competitive, but also not like, you know, I don't need to see nine six. I'll pass on that. I'm good. I'm not a purist. And if that makes me an idiot, I don't fucking care honestly. No, but that's, that's the same way. Like to me, and I think I've said it on the pod and I'm sure you've heard me say it is like,
00:32:05
Speaker
The points on the board are a measure of how well you played rugby. And if you were playing in the 9-6 match, look, our defense was great. Yeah, but you didn't do shit.
00:32:14
Speaker
Oh, that's. Oh, shit. That that that right there needs to be on the TV more often than in matches. That is glorious. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Like ESPN get some of that, like get some highlights, show people, especially with the way football, especially with the way football is going with with parents don't want them to play. Show them this running in space and they're going to be like, oh, wait, it's physical and you do this. Yes, please give me. Yeah. Oh.
00:32:44
Speaker
Looks like Kline's playing fullback now. But, oh man, they're friggin' that scrub. Scrum. Nice. Shit-housed. Oh, he's dead. I think he was the 12's replacement. Yeah, and they moved him around. Yeah. Still, goddamn, he got absolutely eliminated. He took one to get it to the wing, the 14 who drove through and put the 10 away.
00:33:07
Speaker
Yeah, it was a two you do it. He's like, I got two on one here. I need to get rid of this and finds his friend in space. It's a good ball. Well, so that was a cool thing because the wing was stationed in like so the twenty two was first receiver. The wing was set up on his inside. And then as the pass went, he swung around. It was outside. And that's where the gap was because they weren't if they just completely lost track of the 14 really good shit. Yep. Good stuff. Corbin Smith, 14. Nice.
00:33:35
Speaker
executed perfectly in the past too. It was brilliant. One of those at full pace, just floating it out there, didn't throw it to the 10, threw it to where the 10 was going and yummy.
00:33:57
Speaker
The product's been pretty good. It's just the failure to get engagement and promote it is really what it is. And, you know, we're like- There's no fantasy league coming next year. Right now, as of right now, there's no, they have no prem fantasy league at all anywhere. Like not on Superbrew, not even Superbrew. Like you can go there for fucking anything. Right. Well, I'm hoping, I hear back from Superbrew about that soon. I reached out to them. So, yeah, it's,
00:34:25
Speaker
It's engaged. You got to have engagement. Oh shit. Please don't let this kid be heard. He's been great. Here's the thing too. Is that like the cool part was like, what was it an FRD? When we had that we could like play against like squidge or somebody like there were, there were people on there. It's all community. Right. Like it's a fun thing that we all do together. They get, we get to do that for like the six nations and stuff. That's that's fun. It's all of us together. And you see the same people at the top and it's kind of cool. And then, uh,
00:34:54
Speaker
Like other than, you know, the fantasy, which like draft is good, but then it's so self-contained. Like it, it's like, yes, we have our league. Here's our league. Like your league's over there. It's different. Like there's no, you know, nothing that's happening in my league is relevant in your league except, you know, for our, you know, who would recommend to start and sit, but that's universal. Like. Well, I like what FRD did for a little while, which was, you know, rank the leagues and stuff like that. That was nice. Yeah. That was, that was, that was, that was helpful.
00:35:24
Speaker
all sorts of cool shit you could do that to bring, you know, community together. And like, there's not, that helps, that helps, you know? Like, yeah. Agreed. Agreed, agreed. I've seen people like have beers cause they saw each other in, in, in, on like DRM or something. Like, you know, they were like, oh, you're so, it's like, you're so, let's go get it. You know, go play and watch the, watch the game and fuck. Absolutely. Yeah. That's cool. You need that. But that's also, again, engagement. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:35:52
Speaker
Yep. There's, there's, there's many, there's many prongs to approach this with. And I just don't feel like premier ship really. They need to, I think they're going, I'm not a fan of like spreading yourself too thin, but like, it feels like they're just going for one, which I feel like you need to at least go for two. And I don't think that if they're going for two, they're not doing the second one very well. I think that's fair to say. So we'll see. I'm yeah, I'm, I'm disappointed in many, many ways and.
00:36:21
Speaker
Oh, worried in a lot of ways. And, you know, we have a World Cup. Come on. Handbags are starting. We have a World Cup to support. And I will put my attention on that. And hopefully somebody pulls their head out of their ass and prom because as much as we want to sit here and pitch about it, us pitching about it isn't going to do a whole lot, unfortunately. Nope. We're on the wrong side of the pond. Yeah, that's definitely one of the problems. And yeah.
00:36:50
Speaker
Although we do we kind of help, you know with the free jacks we you know, yeah We do a lot with you know, well Yeah, we do a lot of the shouting and the the the shit talking which is fun, but oh Nobody can hear us because there's too many people which is excellent people Let's go. Oh, let's let's go to a super heavy real quick and then we'll hit the free jacks again Then we'll be out of here Blues Islanders
00:37:19
Speaker
I didn't even watch the game. I saw the final. I'm like, I'm not watching that shit. I did. I was spending my time elsewhere. The Highlanders just didn't do enough, honestly. And if that's not, obviously, I mean, that's obvious. But really, just let themselves down. Too many kicks for goal. Didn't start going for the line. How are you going to keep the blues to 16 points? The audacity to do that and then only score nine yourself. And then lose, yeah.
00:37:45
Speaker
Yeah, it certainly didn't do not get any, you know, how many teams would, would, would fucking, you know, work their fingers to the bone to hold the blues to 16 points. And you can only score nine. Come on, please. We could have held under 16. We were working last week. Right. Right.
00:38:03
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, Talia is good. He'll be in the All Blacks. That's all you need to know. Parafetted looked good. Looked okay. Coming back. He's still banging off the rust. Okay. Good. Oh, good. He's doing that. Yeah. Brumbies and rebels. Yeah. No shit. Brumbies and rebels. I never saw it from the rebels. I really didn't like Carter Gordon scored. Now it's about the most I could say about the reps. Yeah. That's like,
00:38:31
Speaker
He's good. Never looked like they were in it, honestly. No. No, I thought welcome was kind of a knucklehead. I know he scored, but it's still just like, yeah, scored garbage time. Yeah. But big deal. Yeah. Big fucking deal. Yeah. I don't think I saw that. I don't think I made it. I was like, OK. Oh, trust me. I got I got that far, but that was the end. That's kind of the end. OK, this thing's over. Never mind. Next time to be hitting the old speed trail. Exactly.
00:39:02
Speaker
Reds don't score a second half point against Drua. You know, for everybody's sake, they better be thinking they're lucky stars that the Drua do not get any home games in this quarterfinal because holy shit has that been a hard place to play. I think only one team has beat them there.
00:39:20
Speaker
Yeah. The blues. The blues, I think. Yeah. Yeah. And that was lost there. We lost there. That was probably like a point, too. Blues like almost bottled it at the end. Like it was close, I believe. And I remember that. Yep. So it's it's a tough place to go and they continue to prove it, which is great. And so many reasons this is why they needed to be able to play in Fiji ASAP. Right. Because they need this home advantage. Otherwise, yeah, they're going to have a hard time competing because they aren't that great away from home. We know they are.
00:39:49
Speaker
They are really playing against. They're going to the the Crusaders, I believe. Crusaders? No, they're going. Hold on. Oh, there's OK. For some reason, highlighters, highlighters are high lit on this thing. I don't know what the fuck's going on there. So no, no, no. Nineteen. Yeah, they can go home. Yeah. OK, so. Oh, yeah, that's right. Because reds come to the cheese. We'll get to that. Yep. We'll get to that. But yeah, it was
00:40:18
Speaker
I mean, it was snack time for the Joe, especially in the second half. They just whooped. I mean, that was a. Oh, that was pretty much a stomping. I loved that was that was an entertaining match from the start anyway, like it really it kicked up. And then I think it was really the that the really was that entire sequence leading up to that yellow card from a friend because that was they were on through his doorstep. And I'm pretty sure you would turn it over.
00:40:47
Speaker
and then just had a long ass run. What a score to try if, who was at fifth? I can't remember who was at 15. It kept his inside line. He was gone. Was it Rovovo? Remember Tomata? Yeah. He cuts around. He did what I was talking about. The other wing did. Or he went from right to left and it was like to stay right in your home. Like the 15 was there. Like there was coverage except for right there.
00:41:16
Speaker
But they led to, they got a penalty and then there was like a penalty right after that and McRae was off. And it was like, and then they scored, drew a score. And then it was like, yeah, that's game. And it was just, they poured it the fuck on after that. Yes, they did. Yes, they did. It was.
00:41:33
Speaker
It was, it was a brilliant game for them to close out their, their long schedule in Fiji. And we can only hope for more. Yes. They're going to have some guys that are leaving tomorrow. That's John, I believe. But still, there's going to be plenty to love coming back and they get some.
00:41:49
Speaker
like mossy still going to be around, which is great. He's obviously lit them up and smoking. What's up? Did you see smoke and Joe's try? That was great. That was the, like, they just popped right to him and he's like, okay. Yeah. Okay. I will get this. Thank you. Goodbye. That was awesome. Good way to, and it closed about completely. Yep. That's just shut the door on this one. You know, don't even think about it. Nope. Not at all. To Wellington.
00:42:20
Speaker
Well fuck, if this team had showed up last week, they would have fucking won. This team had a little bit of jam to them, huh?
00:42:31
Speaker
Don't think for a second that, so first of all, the way this started, I thought, oh, fuck, here we go again. I told you, in acids. I told you to bring in acids. That was the in acids. That was the in acids part. But then the bum part, the muscle relaxer part came afterwards. Right. Oh, my God. Freaking Colsey and Taylor just sludging back and forth. What entertainment.
00:43:01
Speaker
And then Taylor gets sent to the Benny Coles, he continues to give it to him. And you know they're good friends off the pitch too, so they're just giving each other hell. They were, and I think, yeah, Cole came off after the yellow card. So that was the, he had the very, literally the last laugh, because he was gone. Cody Taylor didn't get to see him till post-match.
00:43:26
Speaker
Yep, that's what you call beauty right there. It was great. I was extremely happy with the way this match ended up in the end. Hey, do you remember when somebody talked about putting like Artie at seven and Jose at eight? Worked out all right. Worked out okay. You also got the yellow. Oh, that was unfortunate.
00:43:49
Speaker
Yeah, just I think yellow was right though. Yeah, it was right. No, he's just unfortunate that yeah, but he made up for it that yeah, he put himself over. And that was like the difference, right? That was it. Yep, that was a big one. They got one at the end with Fiaki, but that was that was garbage time.
00:44:05
Speaker
right but still otherwise that would like that's what made it garbage time because it was like 74 minutes they had just scored but it was like this one put it more than more than a tryout and that they needed every point obviously all of them but yeah with that with without the fiaki score like apart from that they the crusaders really
00:44:27
Speaker
They didn't even sniff the 22. Not really. And this wasn't this was not like a JV crusaders team by any means. No, this is them. This is them preparing. This is probably their their this is probably their 15 at least with it. Well, it's exceptional. Louis Chapman, who actually played pretty well. Yeah. Right. You know, poor fellow got thrown into the fire. I did. You did all right. Didn't do bad. You did do badly. I didn't necessarily know some for the negative reason. So I mean, it's hard to outshine camera guard right now. So.
00:44:57
Speaker
I thought it was interesting. That's what I always say anyway. Yeah, that was interesting. Giving Brett Cameron the tee. And that works only with Brett Cameron. It doesn't work with Aidan Morgan because Brett Cameron has a good boot, has a good good leg off the tee. Yes, Jordy has got some stones to take. What's that? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, he hit one on the corner. I was like, oh, that's glorious. Yeah. Yes. Jordy Barrett has, you know, a mule's leg and can kick it from, you know, the other side of the stadium. Right. So does Elliott Daley.
00:45:27
Speaker
Right. And they don't need it. So I think the good thing with that was it took a little bit of pressure off Jordy and right. Exactly. You have the team. It's not going well. It fucks with your other parts of your game. So I think it was a smart move to give Cameron the team and let Jordy relax a little bit and just do his thing in the in the field of play, which was exactly which was wise. That's more what I'm going for. Like just because you have the giant leg doesn't mean you need to be the kicker. And like, well, when you need when we need you, they're there. Great. Like, that's good. Like, especially if we need a big balls kick. Yeah, I'll take you any day.
00:45:58
Speaker
But like for the regulars, like just don't get that in your head. Just, you know, think of the good ones. Like I said, it works with Brett Cameron in there. It doesn't work with Aidan Morgan. So no, no, he's not. So yeah, very, very happy with that outcome. Like I said, started in a way that I thought, oh boy, here we go again. But boys responded well. So I was extremely satisfied with the way that happened. They go, if they do that in Canberra this weekend,
00:46:26
Speaker
Good luck. Have fun. Yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, I'm excited. Although I will say for the Brumby's diversity and he looked really good. I know he's he's probably not going to start this weekend, but I thought he looked probably not. Oh, man, the seed he threw out to Corey Toole for his try. Oh, oh, I was like, OK, well, yeah, that's yes. That was that was all right. And Toole knew what he was doing. Yeah. It's two on the Wallaby squad. He should be. He better be.
00:46:55
Speaker
He's gone from like, no, he's, he's, he, he's it. I mean on him. Yep. I'm in, I'm in on him. Um, Moana finally get one done and they were angry. What's up. They were, they were angry. They were, they were like, there's, it's like watching like the water. This one to me was like watching the water boy. It's like, there's a lot of pain and anger behind those eyes. Like, yeah.
00:47:22
Speaker
They were when Amui was carrying, like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then Fai Lagi, too, when he was. Yeah. Miracle. Yeah. Great try in the end there. But they were just not going to be denied. There was that they were willful there. No. But in a lot of ways, like shame on the war toss for putting in that kind of effort. Like that was poor. If I'm if I'm a part of that coaching staff, I am ripping them all new ones. Like that is bullshit. Or if I'm part of the players leadership council, like
00:47:52
Speaker
Yeah, any of those people on the higher ups, I am absolutely annoyed with the effort in that that was really poor. You know, I, that, yes, Moana played an inspirational game, no question, but that team should not have beat this war toss team. Right.
00:48:09
Speaker
I don't care if it's gotten it at nine. You still have Hooper in there. You still have Vylon who played his balls off, you know, Prouzay and Nawasi. Hooper played an excellent farewell match. And he even got himself over. Let's be honest. He got himself over. He willed that team to get him a try. Because he's like, OK, you all shot the ball in eight minutes. You're going to give me a fucking try so we can remember something out of this. And then they're all like, OK, we'll do it for Hoops.
00:48:38
Speaker
22 point league going into the weekend. All right. Yeah. Awful. Nice. Nice. Not bad. Well done, boys. I mean, no. Yeah. No. Yeah. I. Right. Jared's talking about the kids. They just wrapped up. Awesome. Yeah. But yeah, like, yeah, Hooper, you will give me a try. Like Jedi mind trick shit. You know, I'm thinking more like
00:49:05
Speaker
was it uh joe marler type shit like yeah that too but yeah so and it didn't the their ranking wasn't effective but still it's just it's just poor shit that would make peter amani blush yeah right um yeah like right it was
00:49:31
Speaker
But, you know, so good for, yeah, it's one of those definitely to tell of two teams, one, like really good effort way to wrap up, way to take a monkey off your back. Like you don't have to worry about the the the never want away from home. And, you know, you want a game this year, too. Like that's that was huge because it sucks to lose every fucking match. No.
00:49:57
Speaker
Yeah, no doubt. It sucks. Those are hard seasons. Those are really hard seasons. So yeah, to get a win is, and it's, you know, end the year like that. Yeah. Ned Hannigan is not, not a player I want on my team because I don't know what to do with him and I don't think he's good enough personally. Yeah. And then.
00:50:21
Speaker
your fellows took care of business and crushed all hopes out in Western Australia.
00:50:32
Speaker
pre-match cognitive connotations on it, I guess. I was thinking more like, okay, they'll put a, you know, kind of a shag team up. And they, first off, they kind of didn't. They think, I mean, look, McQuannell played. So, I mean, and he scored. Like, that's what I forgot when all my, my calculations is that the chiefs are fucking chaos goblins. And like what they live on is getting, it's very similar to the free checks, which is kind of cool. Broken play.
00:51:00
Speaker
They live on broken play and they will just put it the fuck away. You give that you give them a little bit of ball behind your line. You're fucked. Just just start, you know, walking back to the try line because you're not even if you catch them, they're they're just going off. They're going to get it in. You're you're done.
00:51:17
Speaker
And so it's just like they do that. And the force gave them so many opportunities. Yeah. And the force played well, but it was like any time they made a mistake, any time they put that ball hit the turf, there was a Chiefs player running back the other way. Right. Just poor, poor decision making in a lot of ways, really, as well. Yeah, not great. And I don't know.
00:51:40
Speaker
And then, you know, that's what comes, that is, is what comes when you have like two 20 year olds at your, at your nine and 10. Like, what are you going to do? Um, these are games you're going to lose, but you know, the, they need to play them. This is, that's a good learning experience for those two. I don't think either played terribly, but it's just that, you know, that it's the margins that I talk about a lot. Like if you want to play 10 in this, in this league, and you can play nine in this league, like you make sure the balls you throw are.
00:52:09
Speaker
ones that your team can do something with and not something that the other team can do something with. Like that's just, you know, you're not going to get away. You're not going to get away with that same shit here. You've got to put that away. Like they've seen this before. It's not seen that, seen that show before, guys. Right.
00:52:28
Speaker
No, no. So and then they'll get better for it. But I mean, even the kind of cheek of of the Chiefs to have pohippi at at 10 was was fun. I thought he did OK. Actually, he did all right. So yeah. Yeah. Then he said that wasn't it him that did that cross kick for. Yes, he'll be. Yeah. Yeah, he sure was. It was on a dime, too. Yeah, it was.
00:52:55
Speaker
I mean, shit, just cause you're not a 10, you know, not cause you don't always play 10 doesn't mean you can't, you know, if you have the skills, sure. Go for it. Yep. You did. I did. So it is Highlanders force rebels in Pacifica, all looking out on the outside, looking in and everybody plays on this weekend. Let's go down to ATL and.
00:53:25
Speaker
I...
00:53:28
Speaker
worldies, many, many worldies from the free tax. Yeah. These two good ones. Some amazing ones. Like though, uh, who was the, um, holding younger chip through for, um, Maurice McDonald. Oh, yeah. Oh, what do you, that's filthy. Like just right where it needed to be. Davidovits with his like the support off of that kick, who's about, was a balacana. Yeah. But balacana fields it and just pops it off to it. Like, yep.
00:53:58
Speaker
Oh, yeah, Troz had a nice one. I'm pretty sure it didn't. Did he know? McClay McClay had to get some good to who has better like, fuck, who has better nines in the free jacks in this? Well, nobody in this competition. It's and it's honestly these these nines are good. Yep. Fuck, they're good. Yeah, they're really good. They're really good. They're third string nine. Just like just tore up a teal.
00:54:26
Speaker
Yeah, ATL's not that good. They're gonna be on the outside. They're gonna be on the outside. They'll come in. Again, the question of are we that good or are they that bad is yes. Yeah, absolutely. You still have to be good to do this stuff. You can't do this and not be good. I don't know if it was Saunders or if it was Reese. It doesn't matter. The nine for the thing, I think it was the Balconch that went the other way.
00:54:54
Speaker
It was such a stupid kick. It went right to Reese. Reese had all the time in the world to the mark. He knocked it downfield. We had a lineup that I think they gave away a penalty for, and then Balcon scored eventually. Like, wow. Like, that, to me, is a microcosm of how bad that team was, honestly. Like, really stupid kick. You're almost in the 22. You need ball in hand, because every time we've had ball in hand, we killed you. Right.
00:55:19
Speaker
And then you do, like, all right, you're going to put that kick in cool. Put us down on the five and put pressure on us. That I'm okay with. But if you're going to do that kick, you cannot have it land right into one of our guys' hands. Like, I'm sure his coach ripped him a new one afterwards too, no doubt. Like, dude, if you do this again, I'm going to frickin' snot you. Prejax carried 87 times.
00:55:44
Speaker
to the ATL's 116. Like. We're clearly more effective. Yeah. It was, that's well. And we actually made more tackles. Right. 193. I don't know how that, whatever. That doesn't make sense, but okay. Yeah.
00:56:03
Speaker
I guess of an offload, whatever I got. However, they market 193. That's a lot to score. Just to only give up 14 points in this to score 35. The defense is solid. It is. The defense is solid. And it's what's creating the attack because it forces them. It forces the opposition into stupid kicks like that. And then because like you get bored and it is an attack. You get bored if you throw your best shit at the other team and they can defend it because it's not that complex.
00:56:33
Speaker
You get like, okay, well, what do I do next? So you're going to have to think of something new and to board or desperate and chip it away and they just score a try. And they kept the penalty count. Yeah. Always, always a solid number. Just keep that on. So, and it sounds like they'll, they're going to send not quite. They're, they're 18 to Seattle after, you know, tough, a couple of tough weeks here. Yeah.
00:57:03
Speaker
And I, I support that, you know, like rest your guys. You need to rest. I'm good with it. Like, I don't know if, um, I don't know if walk is hurt or they're just saying, you know what, get some time in, get your hits and then we'll go full bore in the, in the playoffs. You know, that's like two games. So get them some time now. Yeah. I'm sure they do that against the look at that against Houston. Let's see. Yep. And yeah. And then Houston coming back this way as well. That's the other thing is we get to look at both Seattle and Houston with our best.
00:57:33
Speaker
or without our best. I'm sorry. I mean, they'll get, they'll get some, I'm sure, but it's like just so that everybody gets to see what's, what's, what's going on there. It's always good to help. It always helps like to see a face as he's running at you and realize, okay, this is how we defend him from here on. Okay. I got it. I see that face. This is what we do. Got it. DC clinched that a spot as well. And the knockouts here. Oh, did they believe for them?
00:58:00
Speaker
Yeah, they actually still may get overtaken by New York in terms of who hosts the playing game there, the semi-final, whatever you wanna call it. So who plays, what's, yeah, what are they looking at? Oh, GDC goes to, oh, they go to Houston, fun for them. Yeah, fun for them. Oh yeah, who else?
00:58:31
Speaker
Results. Yeah, I mean, New York's almost all but wrapped it up for themselves. Yeah, they need one and they crushed the jackals. So yeah, there's just too much of it. Yeah. Oh, and they're playing. Oh, that's actually an interesting match now, though. They're playing Atlanta in Atlanta. Oh, OK. That's interesting. We'll see. I don't know. I don't have too much faith. I'm actually kind of surprised at the that the New Jersey team
00:58:58
Speaker
beat the hounds that badly. That's another one of those, like, are the hounds just broken as a team? I think they just were always destined to struggle this year, which sucks. Yeah, it does. I don't mean broken as a team for like forever. I just mean this year, like I said, sucks to lose every match. And yeah, that sometimes even if you do win matches, you're like, I don't want to do this anymore. I agree. All right.
00:59:29
Speaker
So that's that. Um, we are going to take a short break and then we are going to go do a very quick fantasy pod. Yeah, not much to do. This will be the flashiest, quickest one ever. We'll recap the champions league season, our, our promotes our relegate and then, uh, did I, did I get relegated? Fuck.
00:59:51
Speaker
thank god no well okay i say thank god in some ways it's probably maybe it would be right i deserved it fuck i had a shitty year um but anywho now we do appreciate all the the words
01:00:07
Speaker
Brain's going fuzzy already. We appreciate you all for listening to us. But if you're not coming over to the fancy pod, we will see you next week and talk to you then. Everybody enjoy the quarterfinals of Super Rugby and close out the MRI and we'll talk to you soon. Have a good one everyone.
01:01:24
Speaker
It is The Fantasy Europeans. My name is Jared Dyke. I wanted to say it's stupid and let's move on, but then you kept going. I'm Ben Glauser. I don't like any way anybody handled that. Collusion. Collusion.
01:01:51
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the fancy rugby angst. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauser. Let's go. It is a quick, but important fancy corner episode. Um, you don't have any starts or shits to do. Nope. So I'll add your finals. Yep. Everybody's done with that, but we do have. Yep. We do have updates to do. Um, first off, we'll just give update of.
01:02:18
Speaker
The super super rugby FRD. Uh, we had champions crown. Uh, Justin was able to beat Mark. Da da da da. He actually, and actually Justin won her pink slips league too. Wow. He had an amazing year. Yep. Yep. He crushed that one. So good on you, Justin. Well done, sir. You weren't kind of, you weren't going to be relegated, but you certainly just made things hard on everyone else. Cause I think that landed at everyone in like a three way type or second.
01:02:49
Speaker
with that or something like that or three way tie for third, maybe like that. Ooh. Anyway. Um, where are the standings in D two. It was, it was Franco, Franco one, Franco one, uh, super rugby D two. He beat player X. So good on, good on you there, Franco. Well done, bud.
01:03:19
Speaker
Unfortunately for Franco though, it wasn't, it is not going to be enough to get him the promotion spot. So did the math, did the math. It is going to be Stu, I guess promoted. So well done. Well done to Stu. He came in second in the six nations. Uh, super really, he was first in his conference and champions cup. That was definitely one that helped him as well. Um, semi-finalists in prem, semi-finalists in super.
01:03:45
Speaker
Yeah, that's that's the type of stuff we want to reward. So that's why that's why we did this thing. So yeah, you know, second, first and semi final semi final. That's consistency right there. That's how you want to do that shit.
01:03:58
Speaker
So that's what we want. And so well done to you, Stu. We will welcome you with open arms next year. And yes, we will do this thing. The first thing that we'll probably get kicked off with is obviously World Cup fantasy. Whatever that may look like, we will find it. Don't you worry about it. We'll figure it out. I was going to hear what we say in the chat, too. So there's this trust going two ways here, Stu. Two ways. Yeah.
01:04:23
Speaker
Unfortunately, our good friend Carrick gets gets to go down the go down the ladder. I mean, well, what he got his team helped get his team, you know, to I mean, he was busy doing other really cool things. So really kick an ass. This guy does so in real life. He kicked ass. So I think we can cut him some slack on this one. Absolutely. No question about it. He's yeah. And he's such a fucking great guy. So yeah.
01:04:50
Speaker
so that was but that's good and then there is there there is one spot at least in division two that'll be open so anybody that wants to get in on the shenanigans do let us know if you know someone that might want to get in on the shenanigans do let us know um Anton if you want to come back you got to go to d2 first buddy sorry that's just them's the rules man yeah so everybody's got to work their way back yes so
01:05:19
Speaker
It was a great, it was another great year for Champions League. We are very happy that we did this because it just keeps us all involved and keeps everyone going for the entirety of the fantasy seasons, which is great. Yes, we are going to, we will, we will always piece things together no matter what in Champions League, you know, you know, whether it's the best game that we both love, it's probably not going to be the truth, but we'll always do something.
01:05:48
Speaker
I just can't imagine the prem going in without something. Like, I mean, I can't, that's the scary thing. That's where that's the problem is that I can imagine them doing it. But like, what dereliction of duty that would be for as little cost relative to the game, I can't imagine that they're not doing it. They're not like. Unfortunately, I think their heads are buried in other sandboxes. Right.
01:06:16
Speaker
which is really unfortunate, but it is what it is. Uh, but we will continue.
Fantasy Rugby and Future Competitions Discussion
01:06:21
Speaker
Yeah. Like I said, we'll probably kick it off with some sort of world cup, uh, fancy rugby. So keep your eyes peeled for that. That's how we'll start for sure. If there is a problem, we'll get that in. Um, maybe we'll start to tinker in with some, um, yeah, I don't know what's going to happen for champions cup. That's going to be one up in the air. Um, I think six nations and then
01:06:41
Speaker
You know, if we're still kind of lacking competition, because obviously we want to have at least four, four good ones. Um, I certainly would either way, whether we had, we need you or not. I think I would consider throwing in the official women's six nations as a part of it. And that's going to put an onus on that few people to bone up on their, their women's international rugby.
01:07:03
Speaker
yeah but i just usually fuck around with that so like okay that would have to take you might have to stop fucking around with that i was pretty bad about mine this year but it'll make me not like so much that but just like oh i'm going to try you know i'm going to try this because i'm not going to go for the
01:07:18
Speaker
the person who just always scores the points because I'm going to outsmart it or just, you know, they won't score the points. This is going to be the week where they don't score the points. And that's the week where they swear like double the points. Damn it. We're like, oh, this person is the one I thought you were going to do. Right. This this player shit hot. All right. I'm just going to ride them because that's easy. You know, nope, they shot the bed like fuck. Or they just get the ball like that stuff. Yeah. Because at the very least, we know we'll have a six nations competition. We know we know
01:07:48
Speaker
even if we have to use it. And I know it's not everybody, if super group does run as a super rugby comp. So we know we can lean on that. Um, yeah, we'll piece it together. We'll put it together. Listen, we got to live with the lean stuff right now because when it pops, we can say, Hey, we made it happen all the way through the really shitty parts. So we'll figure it out either way, but we do appreciate everyone's paying attention and, um,
01:08:14
Speaker
and making this a fun comp for us to run with. It was awesome. And of course a special thanks goes to our Deputy Deputy Commissioner, Sofia, you were absolutely wonderful with giving us updates. And I know you couldn't always do it, but certainly we wouldn't hold that against you because life happens sometimes and shit, we miss pods too, it's okay. But yeah, we do appreciate it. And doing D2 is more than we can do. It's literally not possible for us to do.
01:08:42
Speaker
No, we can't do anything with that. But that was great. So and of course, thank you to everyone that participated in the chats and whatnot and fan on the fancy post that we put up. So appreciate that all. And of course, thank you to our patrons are wonderful, wonderful patrons. This makes it makes it a little bit easier on us when we're like, oh, somebody is paying us money to do this. This is fun. Yeah, we don't like. Yeah.
01:09:13
Speaker
It's just something extra. Like, you know, I think you were like, you might've grabbed some to take to this guy. I was like, yeah, fuck that. That's what it's for. Like, yeah. Yeah. That's what we do. Right. It's froliced around Scott for a little bit with some of it. Yeah. That's to our fun. So good for, you know, that's thank you for that. Thank you for adding to our fun. We appreciate it. Just, just, just so, so very much. And of course we'll always do everything we can to make sure that there's something worth your time on the Patreon. Right.
01:09:42
Speaker
This summer, and I will do one more post for super rugby before we cut her down for the, yeah, we kind of do patient or pumpkin packet in for a bit. Yep. In the meantime.
01:09:56
Speaker
Let's do a quick start sit and we outta here. Look at that. We don't do start sit. You're talking to pick him. Pick him, Jesus. See, I'm so auto-programmed to it. My brain is so auto-programmed to that after almost 40 out of these fuckers. Like, come on. I honestly, for a second thought you were joking. Like, I was like, wait, no, no, he's serious. No, we're just doing pick him dude. Yeah, you're right.
01:10:24
Speaker
Yeah, my, my brain was totally on autopilot and it's just programmed to say that at this point, honestly. Okay. I feel it. Yeah. You've said that once a week for the last like 50 weeks. I mean, there are two weeks off and you'll be saying it again. So something like that. Okay.
Super Rugby Semi-Finals Analysis
01:10:42
Speaker
Super rugby, semi-finals blues and ties, blues, ties do not deserve to win after playing the way they did last week.
01:10:51
Speaker
Chiefs and Reds revenge on the mind. Oh, this is like, this is, there's so much to this. And it's also the Reds aren't very good. And the chiefs just kind of literally just shot the bed against them. Um, they also kind of played it, not their best team. So this is going to be, uh, yeah, as you said, revenge. Yeah. Let's go with that. Right. Okay. And then the spankification. I bet. Crusaders.
01:11:24
Speaker
George, just don't get it done from home. I am going to go with the jury on this. OK. I think that they're I think that they're now just a good team. And I don't know that the Crusaders are that good. Like they have been good. They could rock. I mean, if they rock up, it's over anyway. But.
01:11:42
Speaker
I don't see them. I don't know. I see them having vulnerabilities. Yeah. And I want the jury to win. And it doesn't matter because I'm never going to catch up to you anyway. So I might as well give. Go for it. Hail Mary. Close the gap. Right. I think one of the big things that we didn't talk about on the previous pod that got
01:12:00
Speaker
the hurricane's overline is they took advantage of the lack of depth in the Crusaders right now because of all the injuries at the front row. So especially in the proposition, obviously, like, right? I mean, love John Nafoa, but the fella ain't going 80 minutes and then they got to lead on a kid. And that's right. A lot to ask of the kid. So I don't know if we can do that. If I can, then yeah, I'll best it off.
01:12:27
Speaker
Right. But they also have injuries like elsewhere too. I mean, they're going to probably have to start to ultimate cloud it at wing who is I like a better center. And perhaps that's, that's, that's a, that's a mismatch waiting there from what we saw with the drill. We're doing to the reds and like, that's what they can do. And yeah, I know it's different because they'll be away from home. So we'll see. I hope that they can rock up though.
01:12:51
Speaker
and maybe be able to. And then- I'll be cheering for them at three in the morning. Of course, of course. Yeah. And then Brumbies and Hurricanes. I'm going to take the guys. I'm taking your boys. Yeah. I'm going to take the guys. Like if they play like that and they got, they got, they also have a few problems with wings. Tinkinson, that wing is a little scary. I hope Ryasi's healthy. And if he's healthy, it's him. Morby and the hollow.
01:13:16
Speaker
Yeah, maybe we see or maybe we see like more be it wing and they put either Cameron or Morgan at full back. It also might be an option as well. So either way, I'm okay with what that what happens. I hope it's not sinking in there again. We may find out soon here if they drop those lineups on Twitter here.
01:13:36
Speaker
Although the only the only one that might be the blues blues toss. Oh, true. Yeah, we won't find the rest of the day early. We're usually usually record on a Wednesday. And yeah, I'm a little ahead of the game. Anywho, so yeah, I will take the guys. Yeah, they still have already severe. So right. That's all I know. I think out of his mind.
01:14:01
Speaker
that dude that that dude should be an all black this this kind of fall for or at least in the rugby championship and then we'll see what happens after that.
Closing and Rugby World Cup Anticipation
01:14:12
Speaker
I think that would be a good place for him to get his debut. We're so close to World Cup. We are. I can fucking taste it. Yeah, it's right there. It's right there. But nearly there. I'm not going to wish away summer yet, though. No, no, no, no. But it's one of those like
01:14:32
Speaker
So far, how you doing? So close so far. Yeah, cool. All right. That's that nice and quick, quick, dirty. We'll probably we'll just tack this on to the regular pod next time. So until then, we appreciate all for listening. Happy fantasy rugby. Happy to win off later. Yep, later.