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Our Top 10 Picks from 2023
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Oscar Nominations and Predictions
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Hey, hey guys, how many best picture noms do you have in your top 10 lists? Uh, three? Or four? Wait, one, two, three. One, two, three, four. I have four. Five, eat shit. Welcome to reshoot amateurs in those suits. Too many movies to explore. Ruthie, actor and Ed left till the end. Let's see something never done before.
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Hello, everyone. Welcome to Reshoot, an amateur's guide to good or film. This episode is on time. On time. Not definitely on time. At all. Definitely on time. We recorded this before the Oscars nominations. We just know about them through the future. We are so cultured in film. We can predict the future now. I could see the future. I could see the future.
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Yeah, we can see the nominees. We are still not cultured enough to know who's gonna win, though. It's definitely not February when we recorded this.
Podcast Introduction and Humor
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It's gonna be me. Oh no, that's worse. Real talk guys, the reason that we know this is because we went vegan. And we have vegan powers. Vegan powers, yes. Amazing. Great. Totally. You know the best part about the new Scott Pilgrim? That's a mega spoiler.
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We're going, you should censor that. I'm gonna censor that. He's editing this episode. Oh, you're editing. I'll send you the censor. I'm editing? Yes. Hector and I edited the last two. Okay, yeah. And that's totally- My computer's getting fixed. So, what we usually do, everyone, is, let's say our names, by the way. I am the least classy of us, Hector.
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I am the fancy cultured lass.
Cultural Knowledge and Movie Critique
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Dab. Dab. That's right. I'm bringing Dab back. I am Haesun. You're what? I'm Haesun. Haesun. Haesun. Oh, I thought you said Haesun, like, uh, someone- Okay. Haesun. That makes sense. You're not- You were- I don't think you even know, like, three words in Korean, but go off, King.
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I know names. I know Inyun. Inyun. Soju. Soju. I've never had soju. It's so good. Is it really? I've never had it. I heard it kicks you in the ass, though, if you don't expect it. Yes, it's better than I prefer to sake. Oh, interesting. Saki. Saki.
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Alright, so, usually we fix movies that are good, bad, or somewhere between. Right? That's our whole little creative exercise, gimmick, glorified fanfiction, we've gotten that one before. Whatever you want to call it. But this time... Not critique. Not
Best Movies of 2023
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critique. We do more critique. This time though, we're doing a best of 2023 because we love movies. And, uh...
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Ruthie, do you want to start your list? Because you had a little more on your list. Yeah, should I do my I guess honorable mentions of movies that I wanted to watch, but I didn't get a chance to? Yeah, sure. Give them or should I do the movies I regret watching? Start off, I think I think the regret watching should be after the top 10. Yeah, yeah. So do the ones you didn't get a chance to watch. Okay. Starting at number 12, Napoleon.
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I like a historical fiction. Mr. Monk's last case is number 11. Knock at the Cabin was number 10. Oh, that was last year, shit. Yeah. I saw Knock at the Cabin. How was it? It was okay. Okay. Is it worth being number 10 on my list? Of? 12? You needed to watch? Of that I wanted to watch, but I didn't get a chance to? Yeah, I wouldn't say it's a waste of your time. That's for sure. It's a decent Shyamalan Dingdong movie. Okay.
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Okay. All right. The last Voyage of the Demeter. I like vampire movies. I wanted to watch that one again. I like historical fiction. I forgot to watch that one. Coming in number eight, Mafia Mama.
Ruthie's Missed Movies and Regrets
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What the fuck is that? Oh, wow. That's the one where the auntie in Knives Out finds out that her grand uncle is a mafia boss, and she just inherited everything. Oh, Jesus. I forgot that was even a thing. I remember seeing that trailer and champions in the same viewing, and I really wanted to watch both, and I did not see either. It's Tony Collette? Yes. Tony Collette. Tony Collette. It's got a 22%. Could be recent material.
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I didn't hear this movie at all. The trailer looked so fun. Coming into number seven, Blue Beetle. I forgot to watch that. Ed, is it worth being number seven? I know you saw it. 100%. Okay. Should it be higher? I mean, it impacted me more since I'm Latino, but yeah. I still think it's really good.
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Coming in at number six, TMNT, Mutant Mayhem. I miss that one. God, every time I have a chance to watch it or I'm close to watching it, something happens and I can't watch it. I swear. Funny story. I went on a plane ride and I had a chance to watch movies and I saw this movie and I thought, I'm not going to watch that. I'm going to save that to watch with my husband, who I love.
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And he texted me, but I didn't see, cause I had bad wifi. You should go watch it and enjoy it. And then I went to go watch us. And then he said, why are you watching that without me, you bitch? Because I was loyal.
00:06:24
Speaker
No, no, and then I was gonna watch it with your mom and then she watched it without me. She doesn't listen to the podcast as often, so I can, most likely she'll skip this one. Chris, I am calling you out. Coming in at number five, Champions. My brother was like, went to see it with his... What is it, his basketball team? His basketball team. No, his basketball team. Okay. And there were so, and he was like, there is more than one sex scene. And I'm like, that is kind of awkward.
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What the hell is Champions? Champions, that's the Woody Howler. Woody Harrelson. Oh, with the special ed basketball. Yes, and he also got Sweet E there. Cousin Tina. And Sweet D is the love interest. Is the romantic interest. Yeah, yeah. And it's up to you, I guess, who really likes the cause. That's probably why she did the movie. Sick. Yeah.
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Number four, bottoms. Oh, I want to see that one so bad. I know I missed that one. I also have not seen bottoms. Let's be in nightclubs. Sign me the fuck up. Forget about it. Coming in number three, Bo is afraid. These two hoes are without me. Yeah. You regret nothing. I honestly, I almost...
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I have so mixed feelings on that movie. I don't even know. I will say I was just like you, Hector, for a whole year. I didn't know what to think about this movie. I mean, a whole year. You told me you loved it from day one. I did, but it kind of it kind of wavered on me for a whole year. And recent, I'll talk about it when I get to it, but recent things made me reevaluate. Now I love it a lot more.
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Okay, number two, Fools Paradise. I know nothing about the movie, but I like Charlie Day and I wanted to see it. I know someone who saw it and they were like, you missed nothing. You didn't miss nothing watching it, not watching it, but I still want to see it myself. I want to see it. I like Charlie Day. And for number one.
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Renfield. That was so
Exploring 'Renfield' and Other Missed Films
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much fun. You didn't catch Renfield? No. It was just bad timing. And then my husband took my mother to see it without me. I offered to you to go and you were like, I'm not in the mood. Don't call me. Don't make me look big here. But it's less funny.
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I definitely watched it with like housemates here that I live with. And it was it was I saw it with my mother-in-law. And here's the funny thing, because she loves Nick Cage and she likes I think she likes Nicholas Hold a little bit.
00:09:05
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I don't think she could recognize the name, but she could pick them out of the line. Exactly, exactly. She liked the little she's seen of them, right? So we go see this movie, she covers her eyes in like every single action scene. And I am because of the gore, and I am laughing my ass off. And it was the weirdest feeling. Yeah, if you if any of our viewers go watch Renfield, like don't take it seriously at all. You'll have so much. Oh, no, it is such a goofy movie.
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Like, Nick Cage acts like he's in a different movie and it fucking works. Like, it's such a weird movie. I love it. I'll go through mine because you only mentioned one of the four that I have of Need to Watch. You mentioned Bottoms. That's one of the ones that I have not seen that I should have probably watched before this. Another movie is Salt Burn.
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My brother saw it. Zero interest for me to watch that. A friend of ours saw it. Don't tell me anything about it because my brother saw it. I asked him how he liked it and he said that he did and then said go in blind. I got spoiled on one of the more wacky parts and I'm kind of sad. I would love to get that reaction. That's all I know about Saltburn is that it's wacky.
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I saw trailers and, uh, no, it's literally saw one trailer. It's not my thing. So now I know you guys are going to force me to watch it. I'm not going to force you to watch it. Oh yeah. I'm going to watch it at some point for sure. Um, the other movie that I wanted to watch.
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Well, it was actually very recently suggested to me. All of us strangers is one. I so want to see that. Which one? Strangers. That's the one with. It's with Pedro Pascal. Oh, not Pedro Pascal. It's not Pedro. No, it's Paul Mezcal. Paul Mezcal. Oh, that's right. It's Paul. Yeah, I want to see that one. And I think his name is Adam Scott. Andrew Scott. Andrew Scott. Yeah. Yeah.
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Andrew Scott is Moriarty in the BBC Sherlock. Yes. He's also in Fleabag as the hot priest. I need to see that show too. I've been told it's amazing. The number one, literally the one that I regret not seeing before this is a dream scenario.
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Yeah. Oh, that's the Nick Cage. Yeah. The Nick Cage one. Yeah. I wanted to see that one.
Ed's 2022 Movie Reflections
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I should have watched a hundred percent. It was like fucking like every essay was due for those like three weeks it was in theaters. I am so angry.
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I just, I just never worked up the motivation, but I will soon. All right. I looked at my 2022 list and I also had four movies that I still needed to watch. I have not seen any of them. No, actually incorrect. I saw the whale of those four. I have not seen the other three. How was the whale? Uh, very preachy. Yeah. It's Aronofsky. He doesn't know how to make it. Um, it's.
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Yeah, it's, it's how I view Manchester by the sea, that it's a good movie, but the best thing you get out of it is actors performances. I tell you that you're gonna piss off all the Manchester by the sea fans, but they're all too depressed to do anything. All 10 of them. The other friend group, one of my friend groups, we
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One of them mentioned that, or we were talking about like, best of all time. One of them mentioned Manchester by the Sea might be up there, which I disagree with, but it's a good movie. One of my closest friends loves Manchester by the Sea. Like it is, you know who I'm talking about, Ed. He is the, it's one of his favorite films. Anyway, uh, do you want to start, who wants to start with the honorable mentions? I want to start with honorable mentions.
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I have a lot. So I'm going to start with my joke honorable mention, Rebel Moon. That's not on there. I regret watching. No. It's a horrible movie, but it is definitely like, I think we should all watch it. Or I think everyone should watch it. It's definitely an experience.
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It's because it's weird because it's like on the borderline of so bad, it's good, but like not quite. But still, it's still, you know, I think it's a it's a it's a thing, an event that's happening in our lifetime of like a trilogy of Snyder versus shit. And I just think it's it's a great science experiment to watch these movies. And I'd rather get paper cuts all over my hand than dip it in lemon juice.
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All right next honorable mentions the other two Nick Cage movies that came out last year Renfield and sympathy for the devil Renfield is better, but sympathy is definitely He was more more full cage on that one and I actually thought it was pretty good really good acting on Cage's part. It all made sense. I
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Ed, did you see the retirement plan by Nick Cage? I did not. It is the worst film of last year. It's so bad. It is so bad. I was gonna, we were gonna reshoot it and then we finished it and then we were- It was too bad. It was like, it was like, I don't want to sit through that again, you know?
Visual Effects and Oscar Predictions
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It was painful. It was so painful. I think it was free. It was free, right? It was free on Hulu, yeah. And it was just like- It wasn't worth it. No. I won't watch it. It wasn't worth being free. Next honorable mention, Blue Beetle. Pretty good.
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the killer by Yeah, I forget my second favorite director's name yeah the killer by different venture it's Definitely his weakest in my opinion, but it's still really really good and it's still just got all your future shit You can get your itch off that Dungeons and Dragons honor among thieves Very good movie honorable luncheon though
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That movie had no rhyme. And lastly, and lastly, just just to watch just to see the movie and like not care. Just look at the pretty pictures. The creator. It's not a great movie, but it's very, very pretty. And I think it should it should win. Best visual effects, although it might be Godzilla.
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It's going to be Godzilla and Godzilla is going to earn it. Although God damn it, it's going to encourage so many more bad practices in the film and the VFX industry because my God. Funny you say that because we were doing like Oscar predictions and I was very adamant that I thought creator was going to win visual effects.
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So we created a special rule for that for points where if I win, I get no points, but everyone gets minus 10 and also nobody else could pick the creator. But for every person that guessed the correct movie, I lose 10 points. There were four people who picked Godzilla minus one. So if Godzilla wins, it's a death blow to me and I will not win that thing at all.
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It's Godzilla. I am so sorry. It's Godzilla. Yeah. But creators, pretty pictures. That's about it for the movie. All right. That's kind of sad. I was kind of looking forward to that one. I mean, you should watch it for the pretty pictures. I mean, I plan to. It's my honorable mentions for the pretty pictures. All right. In order of how much I care about them, the Marvels? Least to most. Least to most. OK.
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The Marvels. That was a fun one. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, Asteroid City, the wonderful story of Henry Sugar and Blackberry. Wonderful story of Henry Sugar is so good. I will interject here and say Guardians is not on anything of mine.
Personal Rankings and Opinions
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Wow, okay, but oh I did watch the movie. It's just that there were others that Like I don't know It wasn't a movie that was stuck in my head for more than three days. So Okay, it was really good. But the thing is it had it had a good conclusion. There was nothing More to it, I guess
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You know what, I'm gonna play the tagnet. It was very very you should have put in your fucking top ten and you know And like I said, I had to make some really tough cuts on my top ten and that was one of the tough ones same here I get that Let me go my three honorable mentions and I again from least favorite to favorite There's gonna be the rest of my list
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Bottom of it Oppenheimer Wow Hector you like movie yeah, I do I know I know I did like the movie I'm I have my I have my flaws with it, and I don't want to take up 20 minutes I'll get okay spark notes version I Expected more of the bomb scene. I know he doesn't like CG. I don't like CGI I found a way to replicate it without CGI you kind of did I
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I've seen pictures and stuff, it doesn't look like that. Like, it's just an actual explosion. He should've CGI'd it. I don't care what he says.
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The whole point of the test scene was just to build up to see if it actually worked and the close ups of the fire explosion was to build that kind of like awe and thing. You didn't need the big explosion. We've seen that a billion times. I like the really close up kind of shot of it and like that we don't even see the explosion. We just see the shockwave really. I felt that that was the correct way to take that
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I respect your wrong opinion. Here's what I'm going to say. Here's what I'm going to say. I can see, joking aside, I can see your point. Here's my other, I'm gonna raise you this. Nolan loves spectacle. The man crashed an actual fucking plane. I wanted my goddamn explosion. I paid good money to see a goddamn explosion. I got no goddamn explosion. And that's not the only reason. That's my joking reason. The other reasons are, I didn't like the pacing of it. Felt a little...
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I agree. I agree with you that the pacing was off for the first quarter of the movie. I thought the pacing was off in the beginning, but it definitely picked up and was better for the rest of it. Okay. My other one, my other, this is a stupid nitpick and this has nothing to do with my list here being this. It is nominated for best set design and they fucking filmed a lot of those places on fucking location. That's cheating.
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Yeah, I don't know why it's nominated for production design, right? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it should be either poor things or Barbies should win. One of those two should win 100%. I want to see poor things. I never get to see poor things. It's really good.
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I had a big pick between that one, American fiction, and I had a really rough day at school. So I think there's a lot of nudity and a lot of sex. I'm aware, but I'm very much aware. A certain. Actress. Full frontal. So. You get to see Bella Stone.
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Do we get to see, wait, do we get to see Defoe's friend? Do we get to see Willem's the friend? We do not get to see Willem's the friend.
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Damn, I heard he's hung like a horse. I have been told that was supposedly, I think the actual term from the director and I think Antichrist was just like shockingly big, like shockingly big. Anyway, the best one that I've ever heard just like referring to anybody's member is hung like a camel because I've never heard of him. And it was just really just like it took me back a second. Like usually it's horse or donkey.
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Huh. No camel special. All right. Let me keep going before we start having another 30 minute thing on dicks. The musical? See Oppenheimer. It's a good. I heard about that today. That looked interesting. Yeah. So Oppenheimer. Okay. It was good. No, no. What's your next one?
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Renfield. I fucking love that movie. It's not just because they had MCR in one of the songs. As one of the songs. MCR is my chemical romance for our unenlightened listeners. Yes. Thank you. For all you preps. Punks back at me.
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That was just a lot of fun. The movie knew exactly what it was, and for the most part, stuck the landing. I appreciate that. And my final honorary mention is, Dungeons and Dragons honor amongst all of us. Like, I hate Ness- I hate- I hate Nestle.
00:22:59
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Hasbro and what the shit they've been doing a lot but like yeah Hasbro is getting involved with Magic the Gathering also and it's really not
00:23:18
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They own magic also. And I know it's just that they've been sticking their greedy little fingers in there also and releasing some really powerful cards that should have never been printed. Oh, of course. Because releasing really powerful cards generates a lot of money. Onto our top 10. Who's starting off with number 10? Well, we're all saying it.
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well at the same you should go because we're we're not we're not okay we're gonna say it yes but we don't all have the same fucking movie a 10 unlike yeah but we're all gonna say oh yeah yeah yeah we're just gonna go in order you yeah start okay I'll start uh I'm sorry hon Barbie
00:24:06
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It was whoa. It was really good. Like, OK, I feel like I'm like being held at gunpoint. No, I'm not. I'm just trying to find the right words. It's an interesting take. Well, that's lower that it's 10. Yeah, I liked it a lot. I thought the message was really good. My big issue with it.
00:24:33
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is like not my issue but like I think the thing that held it back for me higher that's a better wording is that I could I think it fumbled some of the ending and with how much attention this movie was getting it was kind of important that it didn't like mess get confusing with its themes and some of his ideas at the end with like the kens and their treatment
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Cause like, well spoiler alert, obviously they're not being treated well, the Ken's, but the movie also implies, but because a lot of people thought, oh, the Barbie was the pinnacle of society and they didn't fully catch that it's not. They think, oh, the Barbies are seen as the right and the Kenser scene is still being stupid. And it's like, no, that's not the point or else Barbie wouldn't have left, but whatever. Anyway, sorry, I shouldn't have spoiled that. My bad. But point being it, I,
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It was a great film, smart, very intelligent, fumbled it a little with some of the messaging and it threw me off. But the comedy and the set design and a lot of the story elements were amazing. The only thing that held Barbie up from being higher on my list was, believe it or not... Is it Will Ferrell? It's Will Ferrell.
00:25:53
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I forget he's in the movie. I genuinely forget about the toy supply. It actually wasn't terrible. Or the Mattel supply. It's a joke. It's not actually the reason why, but yeah. For Barbie, it's just like the other ones above that better. No, I get, yeah. Honestly, though, I'm very glad the movie's trying to get this good feminist message across. Mm-hmm. And like inlet and some good discussions. It lets some good discussions. I just don't...
00:26:24
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I think it got some people more, I know some people who completely misunderstood the movie and it pushed them further down this bad path. And I'm like, God, and I know it's like, oh, it could have been their own bias. But it's, it's gonna happen with any movie that has a very, yeah, no, I know, subject matter like that. Because I think poor things has gotten that as well.
00:26:43
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No, no, I completely agree and I see what you're saying. Again, like, it being in the bottom doesn't mean like, oh, it's the worst in quality. It's just like my least favorite. I mean, it's still the top 10. It's still the top 10. Like, it was a very solid film. And also like Leagues Above Oppenheimer. I fucking said it. Leagues Above Oppenheimer. Yeah. Interesting. All right. Ruthie, go. Because my number 10 is out of left field.
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at number 10 self-reliance uh really yeah i really like that it was really good it was really interesting self-reliance yeah it's uh it's on hulu jack johnson or jake johnson thank you peter b parker peter b parker from uh spiderverse trilogy uh the manger new girl oh right he directed it he wrote and directed he wrote directed and starred
00:27:36
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Yes. And starred in this movie. So the premise is that he's just like a random dude. And one day he gets stopped by Andy Samberg and he said he's basically offered. You can get what a million dollars. Oh, just a million. You can get a million dollars. All you have to do is survive one single month with assassins coming to try and kill you. But as long as it comes to Kimbo,
00:28:06
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but as long as you're in the room with someone else you have to be within close proximity the the the can't kill you clause is if you are within like a foot of someone else the assassins cannot try to kill you because there will not be collateral damage so he hatches up this plan to uh be next to someone
00:28:28
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for 24-7 for a single month and no one believes him that he is being hunted for a million dollars. Yeah, that movie was wild. It was very wild. Yeah. Okay. It's kind of a simple premise. It was very honest. It wore like it's
00:28:56
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It's message on his sleeve pretty well. Yeah. And it was interesting. I don't know. And I also like movies that make me think. And the ending of the movie, Hector and I were talking about it for like a day or two. Yeah. I still don't fully know if it was... Yeah, I'll stop. I'll stop. Thank you. Got my spoiler filters off today. It really is. Sorry. All right. Number 10. Number of yes.
00:29:23
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cuando secha la maldan or when evil lurks. That is my number 10. It's an Argentinian horror film. It is disturbing as all hell. And that's why I liked it. It is something else. It's glorious.
00:29:53
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It's gory. It's extremely gory extremely violent extremely Horrifying to watch and disturbing and just it's all the good things It's an ad movie. It doesn't rely on that. There's also a very good story behind all of this as well It's yeah The only thing is that I feel that there is a character with autism in the movie and I don't know if
00:30:23
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He was having severe autism was represented very well. I'm not sure though, because I don't know that kind of stuff. Is there a lot of jump scares? If I remember correctly, zero. Can I just watch it with you then? Yeah. The only thing is that there's just like, there's no jump scares, but just things happen very suddenly. That's fine. That's fine. I can, I can live with that. I just can't do jump scares.
00:30:53
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But, yeah, again, when evil lurks is the English name, but I like the Spanish name, Cuando Asecha La Mardad. One more time. Cuando Asecha La Mardad. Cuando Asecha La Mardad. Okay. Asecha is lurk, stalk, kind of stuff. Go ahead. All right. My number nine, Blackberry.
00:31:21
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That's fair. That movie had such a good vibe to it. I fucking loved it. It's the closest thing I think I've seen to, uh...
00:31:30
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I really enjoyed Blackberry. Yeah. And it's not your kind of tea usually. It's really good. Glenn Howerton fucking deserves an best actor nom for that movie. And he's not going to get it. Because as someone on Reddit, as a people on Reddit joke around about, all six of us love that film. Like there's not many people who've seen it. It's it's a lot of fun. I was one of those movies that like I was smiling, watching.
00:31:56
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Also, really good use of a stroke song. Just the strokes, the band. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I love the stroke. So whenever that was a good transition, whenever any movie uses the strokes, I'm like, oh, so good. Anyway, I'll have to watch it. It's so good. Glenn Howerton kills it. Yeah. Fucking Dennis from It's Always Sunny. If you guys don't recognize him, fucking kills it.
00:32:18
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There's a couple times where you can catch his like Dennis Express. I almost wish he was Star-Lord. He was, he was like second place to be Star-Lord. I don't know if you could capture Star-Lord like Pratt. I'm sick of Pratt, but... No, I agree with you. Pratt, Pratt fits it, Pratt fits it too. Well, he does his own Star-Lord, because Star-Lord isn't like in the comics, he isn't like Chris Pratt at all. Yeah, he's goofy, but I don't know if Glenn could capture Star-Lord. Glenn, I think Glenn would be, would do a very classic Star-Lord, but Pratt's Star-Lord is just
00:32:49
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If it's Gunn's idea, better. You bring a black light in here. Looks like a Jackson Pollock painting. Yeah. All right. Number nine Oppenheimer.
00:33:05
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I am such a shitty movie podcaster. I liked the soundtrack. That's like my favorite part of the movie. Oh no, it is so good. I'm also really into historical stuff and nuclear stuff. You said it correctly.
00:33:29
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Another fun fact is we are very close to nuclear reactors.
00:33:40
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Let me finish my thought and then you can correct me. In the movie, they mentioned the Hanford Project twice and I was talking with someone who lives near where that is and he was telling me that everybody in Tri-Cities, Washington was going bananas over Hanford being mentioned because it's just up the road from where they're at and there's a lot of nuclear stuff up there.
00:34:05
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I mean, it's just bananas that it wasn't mentioned at all. Yeah. Yes. They walked to the theaters because it was mentioned. It was like, if you saw the maps of the counties where people saw Oppenheimer or Barbie Moore, Tri-Cities, Southeast Washington was super Oppenheimer heavy. And that is why.
00:34:31
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Southeast Washington, DC. No, Washington State. Washington State. Washington State. What? Tri-Cities. Tri-Cities. I didn't know that was a place. Yeah. It's like the half, three quarters point from here to Spokane.
00:34:49
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Oh, OK. I've gone through it. It's a pretty nice place, kind of urbany and not the good urbany, but it's it's weird because it is weird. It's like empty highway and the bam, you're in a city, but jokes on you. It's three cities and then bam, you're back in the country. And it's not even like the from what I saw, what little I saw, Tri-Cities. It wasn't even like the fun cities. It was like the urban sprawl. Yeah, like the driving ones that are as good. Yeah. I'm I'm telling myself the city planning is not. Yeah, I know.
00:35:19
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Okay. I'm sorry, Tricendes. I'm sure y'all are great people. I just don't like the layout. You have good food. I don't like the layout. And super clean energy. Mad respect. Mad respect on that point. Two of my favorite things. Anywho, Ed, what was your number nine? Number nine, John Wick, chapter four. Very good. That was such a good movie. Action. Good action. Yes. Great. Awesome. And it's not ending and I hate it.
00:35:46
Speaker
I don't think... I think it's ending. I think they're just gonna... They're doing this part. Because Chastelluski has like three other projects before he can continue it. And by that point, John Tien is gonna be too old. I think... I genuinely think that's what they're trying to do to make sure they don't get another John Wick. Great film. Um... My turn? Yeah. Speaking of, uh... We were talking about Chris Pratt, Guardians of the Galaxy 3.
00:36:14
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Man, that movie really got me. I remember you were talking about it a lot. Yeah, that movie really got me. I was like, I had high expectations and I still was blown away. Like, that's rare. I am such a cynic now because of like the last few years. So it was really great to have high expectations and not be disappointed.
00:36:40
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Oh shit, it's my turn. A Haunting in Venice. I had a lot of fun with that one. That was such a fun movie. We watched that one on Halloween because we wanted to watch a scary movie but we didn't want like bleh. Yeah. And that one was like the perfect watch and we had no trick-or-treaters so the movie was uninterrupted. Yeah, that was a little sad though. I hope the trick-or-treaters. By the way, genre chapter five is in development.
00:37:06
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They say that, but it could be early development and it's not gonna, I don't think it's gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. It's probably gonna be like a Sims project, Renee, where they keep calling it Sims 5, but it's not Sims 5. Or maybe John's more of a mentor kind of thing. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. Huh? Eh? Don't say anything. Don't say anything. She hasn't seen it.
00:37:35
Speaker
I am confusion. I am also very confusion, but I think I see where he's going for it, and I fucking hate it if he's right. I'm sure Ed will hate himself if he's right, because that sounds too. We're not getting a Rocky IV. That's all I'm fucking saying. We're not getting a Rocky IV, or was it three? No, we got Creed movies instead. Yeah, we got Creed movies. No, but yeah, yeah, okay. Ed, what's your number eight? My number eight? Yeah.
00:38:02
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Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part 1. It's actually just Dead Reckoning now. It's just Dead Reckoning now. Paramount changed it. So remember when you're giving me so much shit about Spider-Verse? Guess what? They fucking changed it, Ed. It's not even in Part 1 anymore. Your argument's literally invalid. It's just Dead Reckoning. Because guess what? If a Part 1 has a super satisfying ending, it's not really a Part 1. It's just... It's just a movie.
00:38:28
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the main setup for the main plot of the movie is unresolved. But you said it felt pretty good as a bookend for a little bit. So yeah, yeah, it did a good ending for a part one. I mean, but there's movies that have done this before like that, like episode five, they're just gonna change the movie from the name from Dead Dragon into something else. But it's still like,
00:38:54
Speaker
It's just dead reckoning now. There's just part one's gone I was just giving you shit for it cuz you've given me shit in the podcast plenty of times about spider-verse I mean, yeah because that did it bad like fast. I don't think so. I don't think so anyway What do you like about what we like about?
00:39:10
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dead reckoning. Yeah. Really great action. Really entertaining throughout very fun movie and honestly pretty good. In general, the story is pretty tight. The train scene at the end is but yeah, it's just a mission impossible does best and does it really good. Yeah.
00:39:33
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And honestly, like I've been changing my like views on movies, because I used to I used to just rank it basically on like how good I think they are. But I've definitely gone to really respect movies that keep me very entertained and very engaged throughout one even though they're not like Oscar like kind of movies but
00:39:56
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They're still really fun. They're still really good. They have to have some merit to them and Mission Impossible and John Wick definitely do.
00:40:05
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You're following the cinephile pipeline perfectly. It's like, it starts, you know, like that flowchart meme where it's like the middle one, the high ones, like the one who's like, hey, no, it's actually like this. Ed's doing it perfectly. He went from like any movie is good to no, it has to be Oscar bait. And now he's going back down to the perfect one, which is like, yeah, no, fucking Shrek's one of the best movies of all time. Fight me. It is. It literally is. It is, though. I don't disagree. It's just the point being. You're proving my point.
00:40:35
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Thank you! Shrek 2 is my favorite! We have it on DVD!
00:40:40
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Did you forget where you have it on DVD? That's amazing. With the bonus feature so we can watch the American Idol bonus feature. Oh, I used to watch those. Me too. I used to watch those when I was sick. I used to get so confused whenever, like, spoiler alert for that one. If certain picks would have of who you liked, it'd just be Simon Cowell being like, no, like, fuck you, I'm the good singer. And I was just like, wait, so I keep playing again and again, thinking if I did something wrong? No, it was I'm just a dumbass.
00:41:10
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But no, I'm glad you also agree. Shrek 2, best movie of the podcast, right? We can all say that. Say with your old chest, Ed, come on. I mean, if I made a top 100, it'd probably be like in my top.
00:41:25
Speaker
50s I'd say maybe. Wow, how generous. I mean, that's pretty good considering how many movies Ed watches. No, that's, that's a pretty high, I can see where he's going. That's a pretty high bar. I mean, if, if I, I, that's why I can't do a list though is the thing. Cause I like, there's just so many good movies that I want to put there. And like, if it, if it comes up and I can't think of a movie, like to fill out the top 50 and then I'm like, yeah, Shrek two or Shrek, whatever. But there's a lot of good movies before that. So I don't know.
00:41:55
Speaker
No, I got it. I agree with you. As much as I want Shrek to be, you know, Shrek is love, Shrek is life, it's hard to not make it number one. I want that onion. Stop, stop. You guys are gross. I fucking hate both of you. Hector, what's your number seven? John Wick 4. It is such a... God, here's the thing. I didn't like John Wick 3 that much.
00:42:26
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Dude, two was the worst for me. Two is one of the best ones. I think it's four, one, and two. Two's not far behind, and then three. And three's like way deep. Dude, one's still the best for me. One and four are like one-four, three and two. One-four switch depending on the day. Yeah. But like literally two, my problem with two is that, all right, John Wick, one kill count, 77.
00:42:54
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John Wick 2? 272. Exactly. It's great. John Wick 3? About 100. And John Wick 4 is about 100 also, which is I think the good one. Don't go so fucking high. It was just...
00:43:08
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It was just way too much. I loved it though. No, here's the thing I like about two. It never fucking takes a break. It does not stop. Once it starts, once that one assassination that kicks it all off goes, it is nonstop. And I respect that. I respect that so hard. It was too much for me. That's fair. It was too much for me too. Yeah, it was too much. I hated it so much.
00:43:32
Speaker
Three, I think had too much like it stopped. It was like, stop, go, stop, go, stop, go. It was like, I know, but it was good pacing. I don't agree with it. Four. Honestly, four was so much more fun with it. Here's the thing. Four, three had too many action scenes are too similar, in my opinion. For every action scene was different. It was a one with Holly Berry, right? Yes. And the doggies. Yeah. Yes. I mean, the doggies are cute and awesome, but I did not like that fight sequence.
00:44:03
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Yeah, that was kind of more...
00:44:05
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Yeah, but point being a four So good like that one guy who is like his whole reason for hunting John wick and the reason he waits I'm not gonna spoil is so fun and original the Simmons the cinematography Honestly, I am so mad the Oscars that that movie is not nominated for a cinematography award. It was so good the fucking top-down like I don't know what was nominated for cinematography. I
00:44:33
Speaker
What? I don't know why poor things is denominator for cinematography. I haven't seen it so I wouldn't know. I know but it is and I don't understand why. Do you think you replace it with John Wick 4? I'd replace it with a lot. Do you think John Wick 4 deserves an Oscar nom for for cinematography?
00:44:52
Speaker
Possibly, yeah. I don't know. Like, there was so many good shots. There was some really good action. Like, action's not easy to kind of shoot sometimes, you know? With some of the crazier stunts, how do you make it look cool while also showing it all? And like, this movie, just, Chad Stilesky cracked the fucking code with four. I love this movie so much.
00:45:22
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Like, honestly, for cinematography, I haven't seen El Conde, but like Maestro and Poor Things do not belong there. Poor Thing? Or Maestro should not be nominated for any Oscars. From what I can tell, it's like... You haven't seen it, right? I haven't seen it. I've seen it. I don't know. It just seemed like it was Bradley Cooper jacking himself off. It's good.
00:45:50
Speaker
It's not it's not Oscar worthy. I agree but like I do I do think that the the the nominee for Bradley and And Carrie Mulligan are definitely deserved but apart from that Yeah, I would take out poor things and maestro from cinematography and put in probably yeah, John wick for and
00:46:19
Speaker
Maybe even Mission Impossible or Godzilla or something. Godzilla has some great shots. Yeah, Godzilla has some fucking beautiful shots. This is what I wanted to say. Like this last year was a great year for movies and there were a lot of really good movies and a lot of them were like really Oscar worthy. And this year was like weird because there was a lot of really good movies, but not a lot of them were like Oscar worthy.
00:46:49
Speaker
or they were not snubbed in the categories that they should really shine in. Yeah, like, I will never get over fucking Barbie, director not getting nominated. I was I've always forget names. Greta Gerwig, Greta Gerwig not getting nominated for best director. Are you fucking kidding me? We got the whole point of the movie confused with Greta Lee, who did past lives.
00:47:13
Speaker
That was just the main actress of past lives, nevermind. Yeah, I know, but Greta Gerwig not getting nominated for Best Director. Margot Robbie not getting nominated for Best Actress. Are you? It is literally like delusional. Yeah, to not nominate them. I mean, we still got what's her name from Killers of the Flower Moon. Lily, what's her face? Lily Gladstone. Yes, but still, like you can take out other people. Yeah, I agree. That fucking category. I must have already wanted Oscar. What?
00:47:43
Speaker
And let's don't already want an Oscar, just... I'm sure she's crazy. Okay, never mind, take that back then. I haven't seen the movie yet. I was just thinking like, skip the last chance, but no, that's fair. Yeah. All right. Sorry. Seven for you, Ruthie, I think. Yeah. The boy and the heron.
00:48:05
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No, not me, but you'll see why in a minute. You'll see why when it's my turn. I already looked over your shoulder. You did? Okay. You already know then. Okay. Explain why you love that one. So you're going to see this theme in my top 10 list. I like movies that make me think I really liked The Boy and His Heron, not just because Robert Pattinson sounds like a Gremlin man, and it was amazing. And I enjoyed every time he was on screen. It was also a movie that made me think it felt like watching one of my dreams on a screen. Yeah, really did.
00:48:35
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Like this rapid changing of situations and like problems and issues and solutions. I really liked the story, the acting I thought was really good. I thought there was a lot of really beautiful meanings in it. I just enjoyed it. My son got turned into a budgie. Yeah.
00:49:01
Speaker
A little butchery jar. Yeah. So yeah, there's some movies that you guys have mentioned that I'm like, damn. But they still don't fit my top 10. Boy and Heron really good. Just didn't didn't quite make it. I get it. It's it's really. Yeah, it's it's a. It helps if you know the background of the movie and tell you. I see you keep talking about that. I don't I'm putting that aside because that wasn't
00:49:31
Speaker
a part of the like, I could see the backbone where that slits, like sloths it, right? Yeah. But for me, I don't- It has merits of its own. Yes. Yes. I don't need that to enjoy the movie. That's the point of it being a great movie though. Yeah. It's just like it made it better knowing a little bit more about some of the stuff. It explains some of the design choices. I just
00:49:55
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It was not the choices that made it enjoyable to me. No, I can only get that. No, completely get it. I will get to an argument along those same lines after I mentioned my number seven, but was afraid. I'm surprised it wasn't your number one at this rate. It is not my number five. It's seven. But here's the thing. Jewish Order of the Rings.
00:50:25
Speaker
So I when we first watched it in January of 2023, I loved it. And then throughout time, I liked it less and less. And it just I couldn't quite make my own opinions of what the movie is supposed to mean. Ari Aster was not helpful in that either. Do you expect he would be?
00:50:47
Speaker
No, he does. He's like does acid on the regular apparently. So that explains this movie. But after watching poor things is what made Bo is afraid so much better for me because I found my interpretation of it and it kind of fits really well, which is Bo is afraid is
00:51:15
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The theme of it is the social norms or like view of how men should not be. That's what the movie is showing. Bo is not a quote unquote real man.
00:51:39
Speaker
He's like a 40 year old virgin, afraid of sex, has really no friends, no real like life or like ambition or anything. He's just so anxious and scared of everything. And how men are viewed in society is they should have ambitions. They should have this thing. They should be very intelligent and have very good jobs and you know, like sleep with a lot of women and
00:52:09
Speaker
Loser Virginia young shit like that and bow is Definitely not that and it it shows throughout the place the play thing I'm not sure quite exactly that but it kind of shows like how a man should live his life kind of thing is how I take it and then
00:52:29
Speaker
Like the constant hounding from his mother about him and how he's such a weak little boy, not a man kind of thing is also very telling. And then along with the father figures, a lot of the time being absent and looked as just sperm donors. And that, I think, explains a very big scene in that movie as well. I know what you're talking about.
00:52:57
Speaker
And then I also think that the very last scene of the movie is kind of like people should be kind of like in awe of like watching a man's life and all he can do. And then the ending scene just kind of turns that on his head and just like people walk out on him because he doesn't live up to what society should told him he should be like.
00:53:24
Speaker
okay yeah i think you won me over more in the movie now i want to see it even more now yeah and i think your interpretation fits that that is my interpretation and it only happened because i watched one of the a better movie basically
00:53:43
Speaker
Like I was thinking about poor things for so long after watching it. And then I'm like, wait, this all is so like, while watching the movie, I thought like this is so much like Bill was afraid. And I think what happened is Ari Aster tried to do something, and he didn't do it as well as he could have. And then Yargo slot the most is like, Oh, there's this book. Let me just make it one of the best movies ever.
00:54:13
Speaker
So yeah, but I'll get to how it relates to how those two of you relate in my mind once I, you know, mentioned poor things. Yeah, I figured you're gonna mention poor things. Yeah. Right. What's your number six sector? Okay, so from number six through number four, it's honestly,
00:54:36
Speaker
They're interchangeable. I had a really tough time with those, and I told one of my closest friends, and he gave me joking shit for it, and then I'm like, no, you're right, though. That's funny, because it's my six through ten that are interchangeable. My one through five are pretty sad.
00:54:55
Speaker
Number six, boy and his heron. It's the boy and the heron. Okay, it's not his. Well, technically speaking, in Japanese, the movie's name is How Do I Live, which is the book that was in the very beginning of the movie. So technically, actually,
00:55:17
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Actually, actually I'm right but no it's How do I live glory? Do you live I think it's how do I live? How do you live? How do you live? How do you live maybe I I'm having a hard time remembering like names lately But yeah, how it's how do you live I think But yeah, the boy in the hair is glorious glorious like just so good I've ever seen Ghibli film in theaters and I'm sure that color my perception a bit
00:55:48
Speaker
But, like, I think I can't say anything that Ruthie hasn't already said. And better. Also, like, God, I love 2D animation. Like... It's a breath of fresh air. It's so fresh that we still get this shit. Like, it's so good. Like, yeah, I know there's the Bob's Burgers movie that came out last year, but I missed it because I didn't see Bob's Burgers until, like, last month. Uh...
00:56:15
Speaker
Sorry, getting lost, but yeah, Ruthie already said it perfectly, I'm not gonna bother. Ruthie, what's your number six? What's my number six? D&D Honor Among Thieves. Why is that one so high? Wow. Because I enjoyed it. Because she's a D&D freak, Hector.
00:56:38
Speaker
She's the only one of us running a game that's not D&D right now, ironically. So I went to go see this movie in theaters twice. First time, because we got an early screening. Yeah, we happened to get an early screening. It was crazy good. And then my mom said that she wanted to watch it because it's got her celebrity boyfriend, Chris Pine. One of her many and her celebrity boyfriend, Harem. Yes, it's extensive. It's very extensive.
00:57:08
Speaker
And the rankings change constantly. It's like a leaderboard. We can literally make it. I think if we ever get bored and she wants to join the podcast, we can have her explain her list. That'd be a fun episode. That would be really fun.
00:57:23
Speaker
dragged my mother to go see Dungeons and Dragons, Honor Among Thieves, and my mother. You have to understand this. Lovely audience. My mom doesn't like fantasy. I don't know how we're related. I have a tattoo of Lord of the Rings. I can wax poetic about Harry Potter. I am the biggest fantasy person. I love tabletops.
00:57:47
Speaker
She said that after watching it, that was the closest she would ever get to playing D&D. And I don't think you understand how big of a deal that is. We asked her afterwards, you want to play like a one shot with us? And she knows who a one shot is. She took a minute to think about it. Yeah. Dang. Yeah.
00:58:09
Speaker
Everything is so lore accurate, you guys. It's so good. We have a whole episode. We have a whole last episode about it. We should listen to it. We should listen to it. Yeah, listen to our Dungeons and Dragons one. Yeah, it's good. It's good. We had lovely guest people, and it was so much fun to do. Yeah, we need to get Slee the Stars back on. Yeah. We knew the bad D&D ones. My turn? Yes. Mine number six.
00:58:41
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Hold out your hand and grasp firmly. Talk to me.
00:59:03
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Release date was July 28th, 2023. Okay. USA. Yes. Google is wrong then. It showed in festivals in 2022 to try and get a wide release into 23. And it did. And, uh, yeah, that's why shadow was, was a 20 whatever. What, why do you like it?
00:59:29
Speaker
Oh my god, this is one of the best written horror movies I've ever seen. It's up there in the tier of Hereditary, honestly. Damn. Because it's very... It does what Hereditary does. It deals with trauma, but with a horror aspect attached to that.
01:00:00
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especially like Like like like how Baba Duke is this one is less that less clear as that but it is very much of About the main character's trauma of what she witnessed when she was young and and what she deals with on the daily now and
01:00:24
Speaker
That I think you just told me on it. If you say we're fine hereditary and Babadook. I love Babadook. It is. It is. I need to see both of those horrifying to watch. It's like like hereditary is. I don't think I'll watch talk to me ever again. Like I don't think I'm going to watch hereditary ever again because that shit is so like it's such a tough watch and it's so like.
01:00:49
Speaker
It's just really good. It's a one time master, like one time watch masterpiece. I'm gonna, you're gonna watch it with me because I want to watch it and I don't want to watch it alone. I just saw Boomers big stretch. I just saw Boomers big stretch and I died.
01:01:09
Speaker
Yeah, our little boy is right here with his little toupee. It is little toupee. Boomer gave your number six a little curtain applause session. I don't know if you heard it, but he made the curtain applause for your pick. So he gives his approval. Yeah. Talk to me is really good. Uh, again, also this is not a Ruthie movie. Unfortunately, I want to watch hereditary.
01:01:38
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Oh yeah, we'll watch it. Hereditary is much more manageable. Hector, you have to cover her eyes on very specific two scenes. I've seen every video essay I can get my hands on in Hereditary. Okay, so we'll be fine. Yeah, I'm going to talk about it. Sure. Yeah. It's fine with her. Okay, like Scott, she's got it. Anything else you want to say about the movie?
01:02:07
Speaker
about talk to me. Uh, watch it. Go watch it. Just go watch it. Okay. Uh, if you have trauma on. Well, just maybe certain stuff. There are some very sensitive topics talked about in that movie. So please. Hey plug. If you have trauma, if you don't want to watch certain shit in your movies, watch, uh, check out does the dog die? It's free. It's website. It tells you about your triggers. Yeah. I got you fam.
01:02:37
Speaker
Yes, definitely. Check out does the dog die before watching talk to me. All right. Right. Right. You're number five. Godzilla minus one. Oh, Jesus. Why is that in my top 10? It was so good. And I am so sad I got to miss out on the black and white version. He saw it twice. I saw it twice. Once with a friend. Because really, did you watch that? Did you watch Godzilla minus one?
01:03:08
Speaker
Me? Uh, wait, hold up. What did they call it? God's name minus one minus color. I did not. I just said I did not. Hmm. Did you? No. I know Armand did. He, he, I was going to talk to him on set. I know also when my coworkers did and they told me, I asked them if they did this one thing with the movie in black and white. And it's, yeah, they said yes. And the cool thing is it isn't like a lazy black and white filter. Like they were very carefully editing it to make it work with black and white. So it's not like Logan war.
01:03:38
Speaker
No, no, it's not just a stupid filter. It's like actually like they they color graded a lot of stuff differently to make the black and white work. And for that. No, it should be. It's it's either filmed in black and white or not. Pick one. I'm looking at you. It wasn't filmed in black and white. They just meticulously read it. Yeah. They made it look as if they filmed it in black and white. Yeah. Either do black and white or don't. I'm looking at you, maestro.
01:04:07
Speaker
Haha, eat shit. Okay. But yeah, like, here's the thing. For some reason, Godzilla, the franchise has this gift of like, hey, we're gonna talk about some like, really big topics.
01:04:27
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Like one of them's about how like, yeah, millionaires are ruining the planet and it's up to, and it's kind of up to us to stop them. Or, you know, it's a giant lizard. Yes. It's a giant lizard. Or I was kidding there. Or like, Hey, here's a movie about survivors guilt and PTSD.
01:04:44
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and continuing to move on that also with the giant lizard uh like yeah the the themes for this Godzilla were very very uh a lot of them are more broad reaching than the original because the original was very much about how you know
01:04:59
Speaker
the U.S. did an atrocity on Japan. I actually watched Godzilla 1 for the first time the day after Oppenheimer. And I really liked the little callback to the original Godzilla in this one. There's a lot of actually callbacks. You just got to really pay attention. The only one that I got was the reporters on the roof.
01:05:17
Speaker
That was the most obvious one. There was a few other small ones. But yeah, it there was a few shots that were frame for frame the same too. But yeah, great, great fucking movie. Also Godzilla's walk in that movie is so goddamn silly. I love it. And the original is up. No, this one with its arms up.
01:05:35
Speaker
Just very still, it's so funny. Yeah, it's probably meant to mimic, in a sense, the original. And it's so good. Honestly, there's talks of a sequel, and I hope they go for it, because he had the idea for a sequel while making this film. And I'd fucking trust him with whatever he wants after that one. It's really good. So good. All right, Ruthie, what's your nuero cinco? Cinco. No se las pelabres en español.
01:06:05
Speaker
Spider-Man. Ombre Arana. Spider-Man across the Spider-Verse. I'm a simple woman. I see good animation. Brain Gober. Ombre Arana. Something like that. I don't know what a cross is actually. Versario De... Alarone.
01:06:27
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I'm just not gonna do the Spanish It's just you just say spider verse in Spanish spider verse or just spider verse. It's a name You can literally say it as is because the name Anyway, they'll keep going Ruthie. Uh, I'm I'm Lovely audience. I'm a simple woman. I like thinky movies and I like animation that make brain go brrr brrr
01:06:52
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And Brango watching this movie. There were so many really cool animation styles. God bless the animators. I hope I rest their hands in peace. Fuck Lord and Miller for putting them through that. Yeah. Yes. I just really enjoy. I agree with everything about you. Yeah. About what you say about Spider-Verse, except it's placing in the top 10.
01:07:19
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It's going to be pissed off at mine. Your opinion means sausage to me. It's going to be pissed off at mine. Ed, with love and respect, your opinion is sausage to me. Number five, it stays. I don't know. I like it. It's not even in my top 10. I know it is. Congratulations. We have no taste. Anyway, but no. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I have very strong feelings. I enjoyed it too, but I have very strong feelings about the movie.
01:07:48
Speaker
You have thoughts and feelings. Thoughts and feelings. Thoughts and prayers. Those do shit. Anyway. Yeah, I know. Anything else? Um, yeah, I think I, I'm kind of more broad with my stuff. I don't know. Okay. That's fine. I just want to make sure to give you, you know, fuck my number five Barbie.
01:08:15
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it's so fucking good i don't know how you have it on your 10 or whatever the fuck you put it on i like the other ones a little better it's not like they're like i know barbie is like are you like thematically or not thematically like everything wise barbie should be higher on the list i 100 agree with you on that
01:08:34
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I just kind of like some of your personal tastes. Yes. It's a mix of like professional and personal taste. Yeah. And honestly, like you guys have professional taste. I will. I will say once, once, once it hit my top, my top five, I turn into more of a, of a critic cinephile kind of shit than just like me and get out of here. You're still really good. And I still really enjoyed them.
01:08:57
Speaker
Go on now, get, we don't do critiques here. So yeah, Barbie's my number five. Uh, critical rig and Margaret Robbie should have been nominated. I hate the academy so fucking much. Except for last year when everything everywhere once swept. Oh yeah. Except for that. And do you know, Dune kind of swept also when it was in 20 in the 2022.
01:09:25
Speaker
I can't remember, it's doing swept, like a lot. I think it won like the second most, or most, and it just didn't win this picture. So fuck the economy until they agree with me, in which case, you know, as is tradition. Yeah. Studios, the studio tried to get rid of the park bench scene. That's the whole point. I would have rioted. Are you kidding me? That is the entire point of the movie in one scene.
01:09:56
Speaker
Also, the lady, the old woman who sits on the bench next to Barbie, she was one of the makeup artists for the movie. Oh, really? Oh, that's nice. Yeah. I'm so glad they didn't get rid of it. Yeah, no, Greta. Why did it get a fucking nomination? Yeah. So infuriating. I've noticed for the most part, I'm going to eat my words and like I know I'm going to eat my words here.
01:10:26
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And like, when I say my some of my other ones, because you'll be like, wait, this actor got in for a subtle acting. But subtle acting doesn't usually win you awards. Correct. There's only it has to be convincing acting. But good convincing subtle acting doesn't give awards.
01:10:46
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Which sucks. Yeah. But I will say, however, like I just think, and I feel that we're going to get a situation of Leonardo DiCaprio. Uh, what happened to him when he didn't win best actor for Wolf of Wall Street? Cause then they just kind of pity Oscar to him for the revenant for Margo.
01:11:13
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No Leonardo DiCaprio he didn't win best actor for wolf of wall street And then they kind of pity gave him an Oscar for revenue. Are you getting the credit girl week? I think is gonna get a pity win next time she comes out with a movie in lady bird get nominated Yes, and it was a couple things but And book smart also got nominated for a few things I think or I don't think it did actually
01:11:43
Speaker
Wait, Booksmart? She did Booksmart also, right? I don't know if she did Booksmart, but I know she did. She did Little Women. Yeah, she did. Oh, Little Women. She did not. Yeah. And she did. It's so funny. I have like this super feminist friend of like co-worker of mine in the past, right? And then I'm like, oh, what do you think of Little Women? I asked her, she's like, oh, it sucks. And I'm like, what? It's Grina. I haven't seen Little Women. So I was just more surprised.
01:12:10
Speaker
But the way she talked about she didn't like it kind of scared me away from it, not gonna lie. So it's my turn? Okay. Yes. Spider-Man across the Spider-Verse.
01:12:27
Speaker
The punching bag, the animation for the punching bag moment lives rent free in my head all fucking year. Okay. The scene of Miguel O'Hara grabbing Spider-Man and the shooting his strings and slamming him onto the train lives rent free in my head. Yes. Move is good. Fuck that ending. Okay. Point being though, it's an absolute point being, I'm not going to ignore that. So.
01:12:55
Speaker
And you have like, you have the salt of like two league players right now. And that's like way too much. Yeah. You're poor Katie. Drink some water. Die. Dude, no, no, no. This is, this is like half a league player. Okay. Fair enough. Half a league player, right? Drink some water. You're right. You're too salty. You're too salty though. Lower it down. We're taking to the doctor. Salt and take. Anyway, this movie is so good. Okay. Like, do I like Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse writer? Yes.
01:13:21
Speaker
But I think that's a more complete movie and I think I was more surprised. Hold up, did you just say Spider-Man Into the Spider versus a more complete movie? No, I know what I'm saying, yeah. Yeah, but I'm not letting the incompleteness of a cross bring it down.
01:13:40
Speaker
The other issue, though, is that I was less surprised for the most part by a cross because into was already such a big surprise. I'm like, oh, I know animation could really do all this shit. And the cross was more like, oh, wow, they just really tried some new stuff. Like, it's cool. Like, it's amazing. Like, OK, I'm going to go. Like, do you know how they animated Hobie spider bunk?
01:14:02
Speaker
I hope he's, I hope he being in that movie was actually one of the craziest things I've seen. Do you know how they animated him? No. His mask is animated. I think it's like his arms are animated at like three frames or like
01:14:19
Speaker
Wait, different body parts are different. No, no, the guitars animated like a frame and a half. His arms are like three. His mask when it's also it's like four. And here's the thing. And because Hobie is inconsistent and doesn't like rules, all these switch every once in a while. So you're telling me that the frame rates for different body parts are different and they constantly change?
01:14:41
Speaker
Yes, for Hobie, for Spider-Punk. Except when his mask is off. His face is very... No, no, no, no. His mask
Animation and Artistic Suffering
01:14:48
Speaker
is still... No, it's all changing all the time. I was trying to rub it on my head. I'm just saying, Hobie's always face. When his face is showing, it's very standard across. It looks like it looks... No, not fully. No, here's the thing. This is the kind of details I love and hate about this. Because I hate because of how the working conditions were to get that. Like, I'm not gonna... It's one of my favorite movies of all time. I'm not gonna say like, oh yeah, but like,
01:15:12
Speaker
It made art- no, fuck that. They pay- respect your animators. Art is not suffering. Art should not be made through suffering. Unless, like, you're into that shit, which- Art should make the viewers suffer.
01:15:24
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Yes, thank you. Thank you, Ed. Perfect. Love that. You win the podcast this week, Ed. That should be a sticker. That should be a fucking sticker. Anyway, though, point being, that's just one small detail. And then there's details like that hidden throughout the entire movie. It's like different versions of the movie. Once they had to patch the movie a little bit because of audio stuff, but they also snuck in so that depending on which theater you were at and seeing what time you're seeing the movie at,
01:15:54
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You get different versions of the same movie, just small little detail scenes that were slightly tweaked for like, one joke. The movie's insane! It is! Agreed! Except that the place here on their list. Ruthie, what's your name again? Uh, you're outvoted, motherfucker! Thank you, I am! I don't care! I'm outvoted by, like, literally the entire world, but I don't care.
Review of 'Past Lives' and Relationship Themes
01:16:18
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Number four. Past lives. I saw it last night. She watched it while I was at school.
01:16:24
Speaker
He made me watch it while I was alone, and I told him I don't like sad movies. And it wasn't that sad. There was a sadness to it. There was a sadness to it, but it wasn't like deep depressing like... It's not the kind of movie that will make you cry, but it is still heart-wrenching. I liked it. It was like drinking a delicate rose tea. It was just a really...
01:16:49
Speaker
beautiful story of two friends, what could have been the exact words that I used to Hector last night. It felt like a love letter to love in all its different forms. Yeah, that one got me. Beautifully put, Ruthie. And I really enjoyed how
01:17:14
Speaker
Everybody apparently is calling this the cucking movie. I actually really liked how this movie displayed relationship conflicts because they didn't pussyfoot around with the Hollywood, will they, won't they bullshit. One character was like, I am scared and worried about this. And then another character was like, I hear that, don't, it's fine.
01:17:41
Speaker
Yeah. Oh my God. Nora and Arthur's scene at the bed. Yes. I was trying to be vague, but thank you. Oh, dude. Arthur's such a cutie. Yeah. No, the movie is so I'm going to stop before I'm going to stop before I vote Arthur, uh, himbo of the year. He's not even a hippo. He's smart. He wrote a whole ass book. We can't say the same. He's called Boner. Boner is hilarious.
01:18:10
Speaker
It reminded me of my number three pick. But yeah, honestly, I feel like like it was it was so strange because like it kind of had that Hollywood thing of like because Arthur even mentioned in that scene like this would make a great story of like
01:18:28
Speaker
You're spoiling, you're spoiling for everyone, dude. I know, I know. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You should take this out. You should take that out. That's a great movie. Love it. Just wait. My main point was it's kind of like the Grand Budapest Hotel, where it's a super funny movie, but it doesn't make you laugh out loud kind of thing. And this one is a very sad movie, which doesn't make you cry.
01:18:53
Speaker
At least in my opinion. You know what I have? The one that I really enjoyed that didn't make me laugh out loud once. What? What we do in the shadows, the original movie. I enjoyed that so much. Hector thought I hated it. I did not laugh. But. But. But. Oh, yeah. All right. My number four. Yeah. Poor things.
01:19:20
Speaker
And this is where it comes full circle. You're the only one of us who's seen it. You're the only one of us who's seen it. Let her rip. I'm sorry, but I'm going to spoil the themes of the movie and a little bit of the movie. I mean, themes is different. So this is watching poor things is what made me like Bo is afraid so much because poor things is Bo is afraid. But on the female perspective, it is everything society feels a woman should be like.
01:19:50
Speaker
And it is terrible if you don't conform to it, just like Bo is afraid, but he's not a real man. In poor things, Bella Ramsey or whatever fucking Bella, she is very open in exploring her sexuality. And because she has a lot of sex, she's called a whore. Which is not right.
01:20:19
Speaker
like why can men explore and have a lot of sex and be called nothing and then a woman does that to a much lesser degree and all of a sudden she's a whore like
01:20:34
Speaker
Because men control the media and the culture. Yes. It's not always a lot of times they control the media and the culture so they can again. Yes. They control also how men view themselves in our society views men. Just like in Bo is afraid. Yeah. And poor things is the same thing just with women. And it is heartbreaking to see just like how much how difficult it is to be a woman. Barbie does this too. It's so fucking horrible.
01:21:02
Speaker
It's almost like what Barbie's saying about fucking patriarchy. Yeah. And that's the thing, like, Barbie was more of a commentary on the whole. And then Poor Things was more a commentary on the individual.
Societal Themes in 'Poor Things' and Comparisons
01:21:18
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And that's, I feel that these, both these movies coming out on the same year are very, very good.
01:21:25
Speaker
to just like have that whole view of shit. And poor things is amazing and wonderful. I was great in it and Mark Ruffalo's hilarious in it. Movie's actually surprisingly funny. And it's just so like, and there's a lot of things that she does that like people say that's not proper in civilized society. Screw civilized society, basically.
01:21:49
Speaker
May I also say something in favor of things, having not seen it? I really like all the Instagram ads I'm seeing where it's scenes from the movie, but underneath it is the script. Oh, yeah, I've seen those. Yeah, really enjoying just watching. Have you seen it? Because it's very good.
01:22:12
Speaker
No, no. Yeah. It's just like, uh, like Willem Dafoe's monologue about, uh, I haven't heard that one. I skipped that one. Why he's feeling what he's feeling and he's denying his feelings. Or what I saw today was, uh, Bella dancing. I saw the Bella dancing one today.
01:22:28
Speaker
that was yes the dancing scene is great yeah um but yeah uh i was gonna say have you seen the production design from those things yes the steampunk looking world's what drew me in i'm like wait steampunk fuck yeah and then i got the thing is like barbie does a really good job of it being a stage and looking like a real place
01:22:53
Speaker
Poor things did a really good thing of just making it look like a stage and it is and it it works because it's You're seeing the world for the first time through Bella's eyes basically and it just fits. Yeah because The things in the movie makes it make more sense Yes, poor things is a great movie number three Hector. Oh
01:23:22
Speaker
the last three were really hard they were just swapping between each other time and time and time and time and time and time and time again these last three were the most locked in for me uh speaking of uh like movies like books like boner uh i'm not gonna say the joke because i want to ruin it american fiction fuck what i was trying to tell you i'll say that one that's gonna ruin it but yeah but yeah i'm hilarious yeah but no it
01:23:52
Speaker
was such a good film. I did not know a film could get like... We've been talking about it. Hector saw it this weekend. I saw it a couple of weekends ago with my mom. I can't see it, but I'm just sitting here shaking my head. You know why it's so high? Did you also have it as number three? No, it's not even my top 10.
01:24:20
Speaker
It's not even an honorable mention in my rankings of the 10 best picture nominees. I'm pretty sure it's seven or eight. I didn't like it. Really? Why? Why? It's too like, it's really on the nose for like its main thing. I thought it was I thought and it just wasn't okay.
01:24:45
Speaker
I don't know. It wasn't super engaging. You don't need subtlety all the time, especially when you're trying to send out a message that isn't shared often. But like, I don't know. I just didn't think it was great. I get where you'd come from. I get where you're coming from. I think that we handle it well.
'American Fiction' and Cultural Insights
01:24:59
Speaker
It has a weird meta layer to it with the reason that he wrote the book. Part of the reason why he wrote the book.
01:25:08
Speaker
being vague on purpose. But also there's so much hard in it in this film and like it really does a good job of studying like intersectionality, you know, because like, it's about race, it's about like, culture, it there's a lot of like, rich, or like, wealth adding into that equation. And like,
01:25:28
Speaker
how well-educated they are. I mean, the dude's name is literally Thelonious, named after Thelonious Monk, the famous jazz pianist. Like, come on. That's a very bougie- That's a very classy, like... That's like the- one of the mo- if I remember- if I understand my jazz correctly, so I could be very morally wrong, it's like naming your kid Mozart. Like, it's the- no, like jazz-wise, he- Thelonious Monk is a, you know, is a
01:25:54
Speaker
Godfather of the genre and just like that's one it I don't know I'm getting myself lost in the weeds here But there's a lot of intersectionality here and nobody does such a good job exploring it, especially near the end And I fucking loved it also like
01:26:14
Speaker
was it Jeffrey Wright? Jeffrey Wright can do no wrong. He is so pretty good job. Voice is so smooth. I got that man is so good. His voice on my pancakes. I want if he had an audio book. I was just saying the same thing about to my coworker like if
01:26:37
Speaker
If I could have his in an audio book, like does the American fiction book, because this is based off a book. That's what I said. I saw that it should be the book that this movie is based on. Yeah. You should read. You should audio book the book. I couldn't remember where I got that. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, it was you. But yeah, it should he should be on the book of it. I might actually read the book, supposedly the book's really good. It doesn't. You can watch a movie read the book and it's still it's, you know,
01:27:04
Speaker
You know how it is, stuff gets lost in adaptation. But yeah, I really loved it. Also, I know people are like, why is it nominated for best soundtrack? Motherfucker, it is jazz. It is good jazz. There's some songs where I'm like, this does sound like Thelonious Monk. That makes so much sense. It was so good. This is gonna sound weird, especially because I haven't seen Frasier, but it felt like Black Frasier.
01:27:33
Speaker
I don't know how to explain it because I haven't seen Frasier. I mean, they're both very classy people, but they're also like really terrible to each other. God damn it. It does kind of track. It does kind of track. It's like Frasier if it was not as. Yeah. Toss salad and scrambled eggs, am I right? Not toss salad.
01:27:55
Speaker
That's the line. Not tossed salad. What is that? Tossed salads when you eat someone's asshole. The song is tossed salad and scrambled eggs. Is it really? Yes. Because it was before that euphemism. You're joking. I'm not. What? What's your number three, Ruthie? The holdovers. Oh, God. I loved it. I haven't seen it. It was good, yeah.
01:28:24
Speaker
I am not a sad movie person. She is not. I hate it. My life is sad enough. I don't need a movie to remind me of what sadness is like. I just have to remember last Tuesday. You know what I mean? Yeah. I have to pull out a yearbook. It's good. I'll give you that. But like, it just didn't do it for me for some reason.
01:28:49
Speaker
Okay, that's your problem, bitch. And also, Ed, you like scary movies and joyless films, so let's be honest here. Keep on denying it. Keep going. What do you like about this film?
01:29:00
Speaker
It's like a classic Christmas movie that somebody lost in their attic for years and years. And then they remembered, oh shit, I got to give this back to Hollywood so they can actually put it in the movies. Wasn't it filmed? Didn't it look like granular? It was very granular. I really liked the aesthetic of it. Paul Giamatti knocked it out of the fucking park. Not only did he like
01:29:23
Speaker
nailed a professor aesthetic. He also like turned a jackass and gave him a heart of gold. The guy who plays the kid played a really amazing teenager. It's like the director didn't even touch him, didn't even hand him a script. He was like, here's the vibe, go. Davine. Beautiful. I love you. It's a very good chance. Very good chance.
01:29:56
Speaker
Can I say the funny story about Paul Giamatti I heard recently? Yes. Someone asked him, what's the movie he gets wrecking? What's the movie he gets wrecking after the most? Yes, I saw that. It's real. And he was like Big Fat Liar. And he's not even mad. He's like, I love that. I love making that film. So I'm like, that's good to hear.
Classic Movies and Standout Performances
01:30:12
Speaker
Because every time I think Paul Giamatti, it's Big Fat Liar. Because that was like the first movie I was introduced to him with. Yeah. Have you seen it, Rusty? I've not. You haven't seen Big Fat Liar? No. Oh, shit. I know we're doing it. I haven't seen it either.
01:30:26
Speaker
And oh my god, oh man, I know I'm getting both need to watch it is it it is so silly but yeah, I I like the holdovers I'll leave you with this If you want a nostalgic Christmas movie, you should watch it. Yeah, I agree with that statement. Um also Hector it's kind of funny that you say that I like joyless and horror movies because my top three
01:30:55
Speaker
I talked to don't fit that bill at all. But yeah, but you did disagree with me fully. I did not. But to keep in mind with Joyless, my number three Oppenheimer. Yeah, I knew it. Film bro all the way. Film bro all the way. It is good. It is. I think it's a very good bill. I think no one's best.
01:31:21
Speaker
Honestly, I a hundred percent agree with you. I a hundred percent agree with you. It just was not my company bully it was it is but It's not being talked about enough because people are talking about Christopher Nolan and Killian Murphy But why is nobody talking about Robert Downey jr. In this movie? He's gonna win the best supporting. Yes, he's nominated obvious. Oh my god. Why is nobody talking about it? Cuz he's going to win mother
01:31:52
Speaker
That man knows talking about it. That's all i've been hearing on the internet for months. I haven't been seeing it at all. I've just been hearing a bunch about Killian Murphy. I've seen so much of Robert Downey Jr on the internet. I've had the feeling he's going to win since I saw the damn movie. Robert Downey Jr? Yeah. Me too. Yeah. That he was one that he was going to get nominated to that he was going to win. Yeah. Ryan Gosling should deserve it. I'm not going to lie. Also, let's, I want to bring up a thing that we just found out recently that it's Killian Murphy, not
01:32:22
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Cillian Murphy, it became- You found out. I've been saying Cillian for a while now, at least. Right? It became widely known recently. Cillian Murphy, not Cillian.
01:32:37
Speaker
Have you guys seen the picture of someone photoshopped a killing holding the pipe and it's really long? I don't know why, sorry, I'm not trying to ruin your vibe. I just remember that picture now. And then it was just revealed to me how to pronounce Chalamet's name. It's not... That wasn't recent. I found out recently that it's not Timothy.
01:33:06
Speaker
It's not Timothy Chalamet. It's not anything else I tried to do, it is Timote. Timote Chalamet, which rhymes, which is awesome. Also, he said that like, you can call him Timothy, Timote, Timmy, any of that. Not Tim. That is a red zone.
01:33:30
Speaker
He does not have Tim energy. No. But I'm probably gonna keep calling him Timothy because I don't feel right saying Timotee because I don't have the French shit. The French Timotee. You know he's actually an avid gamer. Yes, he is. Everyone's like, why is he announcing the game of the year? He
Emotional Storytelling in 'Radical'
01:33:52
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took like...
01:33:52
Speaker
A lot of the cast and crew do he forced like he bought every ticket in a theater and forced them all to watch Top Gun Maverick Yes, really Unfortunately, Josh Brolin didn't go movie, but Zendaya and Florence but he offer dune dude Timothy Timothy He talked America. He said he's watching like 12 or 13 times. I
01:34:19
Speaker
Yes, sometimes when we just hit, I get it. I fucking get it. Yes, Oppenheimer, very good, very good, Nolan's best work. Killian did great, Roentgen just amazing. Emily Blunder floors, pure, also great in here. Oh my God, everything's so good. Oh, that final scene. Anyways, number two, Hector. I need a minute after you moaning like that, dude, Jesus. It's a good movie. Get me pregnant with that. Get me pregnant with that. Number two.
01:34:49
Speaker
I think Ed and I have the same two in one. But number two, and I hate to admit that he was right about this one, not being number one, radical. Radical, for all y'all English speakers. Yeah, yeah, radical. Pero no me esto e una gringo. E una me peligula es más favorita de láño. No, I múxo que qué qué ritos de peligula perdios mío no puro.
01:35:20
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So I'll say it in English instead. I'll do a quick Spanish review. I'm not going to translate that for it. So if anyone gets it, props to you. Props to you. But yeah, no, this movie, dude, it, I, people like what, give me like a quick vibe and I just say patch Adams, but teaching and like, like it's so good. Like it's not like as silly or like as goofy as like the early half of patch Adams.
01:35:49
Speaker
But like, man, this really has so much heart. And usually I don't like those like made, you know, based on a true story films, cause there's always like some level of like cheesiness or like melodrama. But this movie had like none of that. It was just a clean, like the script was just very real. Like there was a few times I'm like, okay, this is going to go this way. And then nope, left turn swerve. And I'm like, Oh,
01:36:18
Speaker
Oh, okay. And I think, yeah, by the end of it, I was nearing in tears. Ed, you were like crying for the last half of it. No shame. Completely feel your feelings, bro. I was completely happy you were crying. I watched the movie three times and I cried all three times.
01:36:33
Speaker
jeez that yeah that's that if that's the biggest glow that's the biggest positive review and yeah because I'm forgetting everything everywhere all at once did that to me I watched it like four times and I cried every single time it just hits the same every single time same with radigan yeah radigan I hope the blu-ray comes soon I want that movie so bad yeah I'm gonna want I'm gonna have to buy
01:37:05
Speaker
But I'm also going to Bible is afraid because. Well, now we know what your rest of your list is. Whatever. I'm joking. You're fine. It's fine. Anyway, we'll see. What's your number two? Objectively, number two. Best movie of 2023. No holds barred. Wait, number two. Objectively. Number two. American fiction. Eat shit. Anything you want to say about the movie? Yes. Um.
01:37:37
Speaker
The movie disguises itself using the main premise. Yeah, it really does, actually. Because if you took the actual plot of the movie, people would make all kinds of crazy racist assumptions about it. And I love that it's just a big fuck you to the Oscars. It really is. It's never going to win. It's not going to win a single damn Oscar. It can never win Best Picture because it
01:38:07
Speaker
insists, that's the whole premise of the movie. It's like, you just slap the right sticker on it and it has to win. And here's the funny thing. People are like, that's not true. Okay, hey guys, what movie did Will Smith win an Oscar for? What movie, after all his years of making movies, what movie did he finally win an Oscar for? Who did he play? Think about that. Who did he play? He played a slave.
01:38:36
Speaker
That's the reason Chris Rock, the really funny bit about Chris Rock stand up. I saw the few minutes where he talks about the Will Smith slap. He said afterwards he kept seeing the scene where Will Smith got whipped again and again and again. Jesus Christ. You know, yeah, slap the right sticker on it and it should win. And I know I'm going to get flagged for this, but moonlight
01:39:03
Speaker
You thought it was Oscar bait moonlight was the biggest Oscar bait I've ever seen in my entire life because that is minority of a minority of minority Oh my god, that's almost as bad as crash or worse than crash winning
01:39:22
Speaker
So which is worse green book or fucking? Green book is definitely worse But moonlight is one of the most Oscar beat movies I've ever seen in my life and I hate that it won because it is a minority poor It is a minority black another minority gay like You can't get more Oscar beat than that all these underrepresented underrepresented minorities in book just slapped into one character this movie and it wins and
01:39:52
Speaker
I genuinely love it. It is good. I agree. It's good. But oh my fucking god, it is the most Oscar beat shit. And this that's exactly what American fiction was saying. You just put the right labels in it. No, I wins. I understand. No, I agree with you. But I also I thought the acting in some of the scene and some of the I agree. It's a good movie. But I'm a sucker for like each set year.
01:40:18
Speaker
No, I know, but I'm just saying, like, I'm a sucker for beach, like beaches and movies. If you can get a beach shot really well. It's like grappling hooks in video games, okay? If you can get a good beach thing in there, I'm in. Yeah. Sorry for hijacking. So that was, yeah. I don't know if you were done. Okay, my number two. Oh, sorry. Oh, okay. I guess I'm done now. I thought you said you were done.
01:40:47
Speaker
No, she was like, no, she wasn't done. Where are you going? No, I just really enjoyed the movie. Uh, don't like sad movies. I don't like jazz. I enjoyed the soundtrack. These fuckers keep torturing. You're saying don't like jazz. And then, oh my God, okay. And then you shove it down my throat. And now you like it, right? Everyone. What?
01:41:09
Speaker
No! Every time people like you try and force me to like jazz, I hate it even more. Genuinely. You are not helping your case. I ask her for permission before I play jazz stuff. Like, that's... I don't like shove it down her throat. Yes. Or her La La Land thing. Like, it's more about the movie. Whatever. Whatever.
01:41:29
Speaker
She liked the movie. She didn't like the jazz. Yeah, the movie was okay for like a sad movie. You liked the more musical. No, like musical numbers. Yeah, I like musicals. I don't like jazz. Yeah, but it's not always jazzy musical numbers, which helps. Which helps, but the jazzy musical numbers are, oh my God.
01:41:50
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No, I have to agree with you personally. My point being, despite being a sad movie with jazz music all throughout, I genuinely enjoyed it. It just gives you a lot of emotion in one go, a lot of happy, a lot of sad, a lot of like, really? It just kind of runs the gambit and I really enjoyed it. And Ed, I know you said you hated it. I didn't hate it.
01:42:17
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You make it sound like you hate it, but the next time that you watch it, don't watch it for the main plot that the movie force feeds you. Peel back the subtext, because this is a very good, thinky movie. God, I love you so much right now. Thank you. Also, personally, I think part of what made me like it... Well, not like it, but it was just kind of...
01:42:43
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I don't know. My grandma's going through a similar shit as the mother right now, so that kind of just kind of like, okay, maybe that kind of brought it more home to me a little too. Yeah, my grandmother too. Yeah. Anyway, let's change the subject before I start tearing up. All right, man. My number two. Talk about how much you loved Raph's pony. I love how- Nibrados. I said I'll be the villain in this episode. Ed just went on the most- Yeah. It's so funny. Keep going. Hey, keep going on your races. Nibrados. Keep going. Nibrados.
01:43:14
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Radhikal
01:43:19
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Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.
01:44:03
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uh basically like you just get so involved with people with the people in that movie and you get to know them so well and it is again a true life story that doesn't fall for the based on a true story kind of films of like
01:44:11
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It has a lot of heart what he's saying. I'll translate that part because that's new information.
01:44:21
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like maestro is a huge one where it's like, you don't know all about this character and all about this shit and like, get really the full thing and then it is based on the teacher and the students but like, you don't it's, it's a different kind. I don't know how to describe it. But like, it's, it's about the characters but more about the the change that they put in motion, really. And it really shows like, how
01:44:52
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how kids like how our education system is so fucked. And so like not actually like getting kids excited about learning and such and such and like school school. And this is how it really is how it should be. And it's just it's it's an incredible movie and
01:45:23
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I'm sad that it wasn't, that Mexico did not push it to be in the running firm. I don't think Mexico got any film this year. No, they didn't put it in. They didn't put anything in for Oscar nomination of like foreign language. They didn't put radical in, which is sad.
01:45:44
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it was too much even if it got in it one of one and that's the shame it's a great film but i mean it's you know it'll probably still lost to zone of interest i feel that that's going to win best foreign but yeah zone of interest is going to win it's a it's my number 10 of the top 10 of the best picture nominated 10 it's my number 10 you saw zone of interest yeah i saw all 10 best fiction nominees
01:46:11
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And Zone of Interest is number 10. Oh, damn. My least favorite. Is this the first year you've watched all 10? No. Actually, let's do this differently, because then I have the same number one I have a good feeling
'Barbie' and Challenging Norms
01:46:22
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on. Ruthie, oh, you're number one. Hey, Barbie. Barbie? Hey. I don't know what to say. Barbie is my number one movie. OK. Fuck anybody who says different. I really enjoy it. I've been getting a lot of flack because of how much I enjoyed it. From who?
01:46:41
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You called me basic two days ago. Not because of that. Not because of that. Not because of that. It was a joke. Okay. This is okay. Please a racist. This is a fucking joke. I said you in private. There was a fucking joke off of one other thing. I don't remember. I'm still salty. And now she thinks I'm calling her basics. She like Barbie. I completely understand why everyone's putting Barbie in their higher ups. It's just like other than when we spoke to me differently. Yeah. And that I was raised.
01:47:11
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Yeah, that's fine. That's great. I want to hear why it's our number one. I don't know if I can explain it if you haven't seen Legally Blonde because the two of that it's like this is the spiritual successor to Legally Blonde. I completely see it. Legally Blonde is about how everybody sees
01:47:34
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very stereotypic, like mainstream, beautiful people as being like kind of shoved in a box. And Barbie is about like, unshoving yourself from the box. And so is legally wrong. Literally. Or European. That's not in the movie. That's only the musical version. Is that really only the musical version? Damn. Yeah.
01:48:00
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No, in the movie, it's just straight. Oh, he's gay. I love that song. He's gay and European. European. Yeah.
01:48:11
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But yeah, as I've been saying, I like movies that make me think, Barbie, yes, it's a mainstream Hollywood movie, but first of all, it turns around and gives the middle finger to mainstream Hollywood. It really challenges what you would expect from a mainstream movie, especially now in the age of Marvel, where
01:48:33
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I don't know. It feels like a lot of mainstream movies don't stand for, really stand for anything, so they kind of fall for anything. Yeah, no, 100% agree. But this movie wears its themes on its chest. I know it didn't like stick the landing for you, Han, but like, not like, not like super badly. It's just like with certain things. It didn't like, I disagree that it didn't stick the landing. I think it did.
01:48:59
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For Hector, I'm saying that the reason that it's so low on his tears because it didn't meet the... It was kind of convoluted and confusing in this one aspect. I almost got lost. I almost got lost. And I can totally see that. But barring that, if you're just looking at the overall movie, it's really interesting. The more you think about Barbie and Ken, because everybody says that Ken's the antagonist, but that's only if you have the media literacy of my fucking cat. Ben Shapiro.
01:49:29
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Actually, yeah, no, Boomer has way better media literacy. Yeah, no, Boomer does, actually. Unironically. Unironically, he does, but like... Ken is not the antagonist of the movie. Ken is the deuteragonist. He is experiencing the same problems as Barbie, but mirrors her the entire time. Barbie is an emotional stand-in, both for women in the audience, but also for the men, too.
01:49:57
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And Ken is an emotional stand-in both for the men in the audience and the women, both in different ways, both in very valid ways. This movie was so well thought out. It's carefully crafted in most, if not all, of its endeavors. I just really fucking enjoyed it. So why wasn't Greta Gerwig nominated for Best Director?
01:50:23
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sexism. There's one valid complaint I kind of heard. I saw like someone talking about how it's weird that we're talking about there was an accusation of racism that like we care so much about these two women in particular Greta Gerwig and Margot Robbie.
01:50:49
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But like, okay. For me, they did have a really good performance. I can't compare Greta to Bradley and say that one, like Bradley should be nominated for Best Director and Greta shouldn't. The issue is that the Oscars only want one woman director at a time. Yeah. And they picked, who was it? Ed.
01:51:13
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Uh, no, it was what's-her-face past lives. It wasn't past lives. I think I was wrong. She's nominated for best director. She is? Yes. No, she is not. I checked, I know. Nope, nope, nope, nope. It is, uh, Anatomy of a Fall. Oh, Anatomy of a Fall, that was it. And then Martin Scorsese, Christopher Nolan, Jurgis Lanthimos, and Jonathan Glazer. Oh, I think Celine, what's her name? Celine's song. Celine's song, I think, deserves. I know it's her first one, but if we can give Bradley, did Bradley?
01:51:42
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I don't know. She probably was not nominated for directing. OK, I didn't know I couldn't remember who's nominated. I don't know. I don't look at the Oscar. Those are the food Oppenheimer poor things zone of interest. And anatomy of falls. Yeah, for me, Barbie should have been on that list because we should have been here with her. We should have been on that list and like over Martin Scorsese.
01:52:09
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Really damn you you heard it not for me folks damn I would also take out Jonathan Glazer for zone of interest, but I'm just super biased against that movie but barring that Every other every other director is very numb Bart very well put there except Mark Scorsese. I Mean, no, he's also very good to be there. But like Greta just did everything better. I
01:52:36
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No, no, she did really great. I was a little sad to hear. And Marco encapsulated everything about Barbie. Like, she nailed the park bench scene. She convinced me that being a human woman is actually pretty nice sometimes. Yeah, but like, people were actually like saying,
01:52:58
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It was, what was racist about it? Like that we were talking so much about credit card. She was saying that it's weird that we complain. She's saying it's weird that, uh, people are complaining that two white women aren't nominated for Oscars when there's so many people of color that get overlooked every year, every year. And I'm not saying that those people.
01:53:23
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deserved to be snapped. Obviously, that is not the case. There are so many amazing performances. When something's great, and when somebody did an amazing job, and yeah, it sucks that so many people kind of get overlooked. But this is I hate I hate it when people do that. Because like, I feel bad. Like I feel bad criticizing moonlight because I feel like I'm really called racist for criticizing that movie. I feel bad for criticizing a lot of movies of that
01:53:53
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are made by black people and all of that. And I feel like I can't criticize them, because that should be called racist. And I can't criticize a lot of things like zone of interest, because maybe now I'm just going to be called an anti Semite. It feels really bad. I mean, as long as you don't say the P word, then you won't be labeled an anti. I don't know what that I don't want to know. I think I think it's your intention. Like, I like to believe and I know it's a little naive.
01:54:22
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But I like to believe that like, if you can explain, the better you can, not the better, but like, if you really are not being hateful, it comes across. Like, what's an example? Like, I can criticize, like, what's an example? Okay, here, I have an example. There is a exact conversation. Well, not exact, it's very similar, not quite on the same vein, but, uh,
01:54:50
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between two characters in American fiction talking about the state of media. Oh, shit, you're right. Yeah, this is an exact conversation in the movie. Yes. More or less an exact conversation in the movie. Holy shit. One character is saying, I am so sick of all the stories that are being told of Black people. It's always slaves. It's always ghetto. It's always a white boot on a Black neck.
01:55:15
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And I just wish that somebody saw the potential of real black stories, not just these stories. And the other character, her response is potential is only valid. What is it? What was the exact? I can't remember that beautiful quote. Yeah. She had this beautiful quote of like potential is something that people only look for when they don't see enough in reality.
01:55:44
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But it's this whole dichotomy. That movie was like easy. It was number one until I saw Past Lives. And then Ready, Color, We Remembered. But it was easy top three. That line made it an easy top three for the year. Because I've talked to Ruthie about this. I'm like, why is it always like sleeves and other shit? I may have been too hard on American fiction. You should give it another watch. Give another watch.
01:56:15
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But yeah, thank you for that beautiful thing, Ruthie. I can't think of the words. I appreciate it. I'm running out of steam. Okay, Ed, let's just finish this. Three, two, one, past lives. Yep. Amazing. It is a love story of the ages. And I just want to talk about
01:56:45
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Arthur and Nora's chemistry here. But that is spoiler so we will not. It is just so, it is so interesting to me. It's real. I've seen a lot of relationships like this. It follows this Hollywood kind of like very, very, it follows a very rom-com kind of
01:57:08
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Yeah, story. But it's very unique. There's something different about it. It's real. It feels real. Like, yeah, I've been it is like real life is like this is the shit that happens in real life.
01:57:21
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like talking about like, yeah, I'm actually like, as soon as like, oh, I'm actually a little jealous of the guy, but I'm still gonna let you see him. Like not in an angry way. Like, that was one of the best things. Like, as soon as Arthur says like, Arthur's Arthur's the real bro's like, he was your he was your childhood switch card. It's not like I'm gonna tell you can't see him.
01:57:42
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like yeah totally understands and and then like he also knows that like he gets jealous obviously and Nora understands that and like it's all about it's all about like Nora and her son
01:58:03
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but but it's it for me that arthan or was like what one of the movies dude no it was so solid i loved their relationship i was so nervous about that but everyone felt developed um i'm trying to be a marriage and couples therapist i'm sure a lot of you who listen frequently know this i genuinely love this film because it does show a lot of like
01:58:28
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good relationship stuff like communicate clearly everyone usually in like movies they make the stupid decision just to like keep the drama going but in here it's just really yeah if this was any other romance movie arthur wouldn't have shared his feelings especially because like usually the male archetype is
01:58:48
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They're stoic and they're always like do the big grand crazy gesture don't let her say no but he's vulnerable in this moment and he's like putting it all laying all his cards on the table and she's like no your valid feelings are just as valid as mine
01:59:10
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Also, I chose you. Yeah. And I'm choosing you. And that's the thing. People are misinterpreting when Nora says, this is where I ended up.
01:59:23
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like they're taking kind of like a kind of like a you know this is how life worked out for me and but it's it's it I feel like it's so much more saying this is where I ended up people are misinterpreting the fuck out of this movie and it pisses me off
01:59:41
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I think Arthur Arthur says it Arthur's quote says what Nora was saying when this is where it ended up when Arthur says you make my world so much bigger That's what she's saying. That's such a sweet line. I'm getting emotional now after as I heard it and then but also you said about like healthy relationship and like Men being vulnerable Hassan does the same thing too. Yes. I don't know much about Korean culture. I had I
02:00:10
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I had Korean friends in high school, but I don't, I, you know, they were simulating. So they acted, I don't know if they acted more like us, we already were, you know, I don't fully know. When I say this, I don't know how like stoic and like, not sharing they are, but it also feels like
02:00:29
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Hey, son was also very much in touch with his feelings the entire film. Like when he's with his friends and they're drinking and he's with them to help him cheer for them. Wait, didn't he have the drunk guy crying on his shoulder? Yes. Literally? Yes. Yeah, his friend crying on his shoulder. Yes, no. I don't know. It's such a good, like, I think my issue with, no, I'm gonna be quick, sorry. I know. I'm not trying to be like Mr. Randy here. My issue with Barbie, not my issue with Barbie, part of my issue that I pissed me off about Barbie is like,
02:01:00
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Yes, some parts were easily could be misconstrued. I can kind of see some of it, but also like some people really are like, oh, like misogynistic and kind of using that lens throughout the movie to show shit on it. Some of these same people are like really misunderstanding the movie and it pisses me off. The movie being past lives. Past lives. Thank you. It pisses me off.
02:01:20
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Like, I jokingly said, like, you know, you're just calling the cooking movie, but not like, reality, not many. It's a few. But like, or like, some people were saying like, oh, like, this movie's proc sheeting, like, you didn't see the fucking movie. This movie's like, about...
02:01:36
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like this person people like I get I get it I get it it's hard to sometimes not read nonverbal cues I get that I I have a hard time I up until recently I was having a really hard time with it but thank you school but
02:01:53
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This movie is so good. It's just so healthy. Can I say something about your pro cheating thing? It's really funny that people are saying that because Nora and Hye Sung do such a good job at not having an emotional affair. Yeah. Yeah. I was worried about that going in. Such a good job at tempering each other. I mean, Nora more so towards Hye Sung, but Hye Sung does pull his weight. Yeah. On like understanding that
02:02:22
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He's not pursuing her intentionally to try and steal from her from steal, quote, her from Arthur. And it's very clear. And Nora tempers herself on like, like, I love I loved this kid. But I love this man, Arthur. Yeah, this is not the man I love over here. It's it's just saying goodbye to your past part of yourself.
02:02:51
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It was so... God, this movie just... We don't get movies like this often. It was... I'm the emotional fuck. And last point I'll make about this movie, I thought it was very, very sweet and very good that they showed... There's more on Arthur because he was such a great character, but like, there's a scene in the movie where he's like, they're laying in bed together, nor an Arthur.
02:03:19
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And they're talking about like what, what food they should get. And I love how Arthur's the one like speaking Korean, like, like we're not speaking here, but like hugging her and like on the side, like with his leg over her. Cause that's usually what the women are doing in, in like bed laying scenes together. And he, he takes the more submissive role in that scene. And it's, I feel that's so healthy to show that. What?
02:03:47
Speaker
It really is no 100%. Yeah, men can be, you know, sweet. Yeah. No, like I've been it's so it's so adorable seeing that scene. It was so adorable because there's because Arthur's speaking for you and he's trying so hard. And this movie is what food they should get. Oh, it's I feel like I if I was a judge, I'd make a bunch of these manosphere guys watch this film, but they're just not going to get it either way.
02:04:17
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But god, it sucks. It's like the perfect antidote for some of the shame. I'm crying. I didn't cry watching the movie. We're talking about it. I'm like, oh, are you actually crying?
02:04:30
Speaker
Yeah. I'm very teary-eyed. You know, I get it too. I am too. I'm getting the flush feeling in my face. No, I'm getting it too. It was such a good film. After Ruthie, she used to see me as I watched it the first night and she could see me and I was like tearing up and it was such a... When he turns back, he's like, hey,
02:05:02
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Yeah, no, it's a very, it's sweet. And it's a very sweet film. I like I also I learned a new word, Ruthie today. Deuteragonist. Very, very good. I like it. Yeah. It's the it's the Sam to the Frodo. It's the Ken to the Barbie. The person second in importance to the protagonist.
02:05:26
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Yeah, well, yeah, it's like, because the protagonist in Greek, sorry, got me into this, Greek theater, the protagonist, they're the, they're the person who causes, they are the domino that starts. The deuteragonist is the second domino to go. I learned the term from Kotokyo Ghoul. I keep thinking of that. Yeah. It's coral to Rick in Walking Dead. It's, it's the Ammon to Kaneki in
02:05:55
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in Tokyo Ghoul. They're actually on opposite sides, but it follows this other dude in the opposite side and you get to see more of that world. Yeah, I guess that'll be my plug. Read Tokyo Ghoul. Don't watch it. Fuck that anime. Read it though. It's Willem Dafoe's character to Emma Stone's and Poor Things. Or Mark Ruffalo, actually. Yeah.
02:06:17
Speaker
My plug for this episode, if you love food, no you don't, watch Tempo Po, then you'll love food. Oh, Tempo Po was so good. So yeah, it's another one of those movies. It didn't come out in 2023, but it's like one of my favorite watches of 2023. Yeah, same. We watched it after Christmas. Also, I completely forgot about it. But this should be on my honorable mentions, if not in my top 10. I'm just too tired to place it in there. Old Way.
02:06:48
Speaker
Fuck yes. Yeah, I was surprised you didn't put that one in there. I forgot. Who's stage had four movies this year? Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy busy. I think some of them were delayed from COVID, but yeah, it was a good year for him. Renfield was for sure. I know. Renfield was so good. All right. I do want to point out the very different reactions we had between the 2022 and this one that we were, in 2022, we were all excited. Like, whoa, everything everywhere. It's so good.
02:07:16
Speaker
Yeah. We're like, past this is so sad. Do I have a plug? Uh, I mean, Magnus archives, Doomport 2 is coming out also. So. Putting a fucking. Wait, did you catch up? Did you, wait, did you finish Magnus? No, not yet. I'm halfway through. He's halfway through. Okay. Also, good to plug a better podcast than ours and the thing. Yeah.
02:07:44
Speaker
Point being though. 106, okay. What's the name of the episode? I don't know it by the number. No, we're not talking about this right now, please. Text me after. It's two and a half hours. We're almost at two and a half hours. Let's just finish. Oh, I'm in 110, creature feature.
02:07:59
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Oh, this is the one Hector's not going to love. OK, so let's thank you everyone for listening to this podcast. Thank you for joining us for another year. Yes. Join us next time for Lord Reverend D from Rulebooks Anonymous. And Sparks of Interest. And Sparks of Interest, if you guys are the ones. Yes, for Avid Children. Yes, Final Fantasy VII, Avid Children. And I think he did it because the game's coming out soon. And there's the extended version movie coming out as well.
02:08:27
Speaker
And we're not going to watch that. We have no time. I've seen Advent Children twice already. No, the extended version. I don't have time to go to the theater and see that thing. Yeah. Not during the time it's coming out. That's my SH season. So June is next time for Final Fantasy 7 Advent Children. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.