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Goal Line: Shake It Off
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The Pod Warriors put a bright red bow on their first season of The Goal Line
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Season Finale & Super Bowl Preview
00:00:15
Speaker
What is up goal line listeners? We are back with the season finale of the debut season of the goal line. We had an instant classic last night in our first goal line Superbowl with the chiefs and Niners really just burning it down there in Las Vegas. We're going to discuss all aspects of the game and the fallout. Take a little look at where these teams are heading for next year and offer a way too early Superbowl
End of Football Season & Super Bowl Stories
00:00:38
Speaker
prediction. But first let me introduce my partner in crime, Jordan, what's going on? Yeah.
00:00:44
Speaker
Super Bowl Monday is like the worst because it's like setting in like football's over. You're extremely hungover and you have to go to work. You got to feel like crap the entire day. But luckily we had some goal line to record tonight to kind of get me through the day today. A little chaser action. Yeah. How was, we'll get, we'll get into the game. What was your overall Super Bowl experience yesterday?
00:01:08
Speaker
Um, it was, we had a good time. Um, we went over to some friends houses and they were, uh, a couple of people that were 49ers fans. There was no chiefs fans, which was shocking. Honestly, it was the weirdest fucking thing ever, but, um, it was good, man. We ate a lot of food and drank a lot of beer and some whiskey. And yeah, it was good. We had a, we had a good time yesterday. How about you?
00:01:31
Speaker
We kept it low-key, just stayed here at the house watching it with the kids, but the kids stayed up for the game with us. Stella went to sleep right after the halftime show, but Brett stayed up through the whole game. He really got a kick out of just seeing all the pageantry that went into it, and they really enjoyed Usher's halftime show, surprisingly
Usher's Halftime Show & Music Nostalgia
00:01:46
Speaker
enough. Usher was good, man. I couldn't believe how many people I saw that were being negative about it. I was like, dude, what was there to be negative about? He killed it, I thought.
00:01:55
Speaker
I think it had to been the younger, the younger fans, maybe dude, because the one thing that was surprising to me, I thought it was great as well. You know, we kind of discussed it last week, what we thought it was going to be like, I was surprised at how much he leaned on the old stuff, man, I thought it was going to be really heavy on the stuff from like 2013 on like the, the OMG, you know, like the house music type stuff he's been doing.
00:02:16
Speaker
Yeah. Um, the EDM stuff, but it was really, really light on that man. He really kept it to all the stuff like for our generation, which, uh, which was nice, man. I enjoyed it, but I think maybe that's where some of the critiques came from. Jermaine Dupri coming out, like he was going to sign the declaration of independence. Like I don't know
Super Bowl in Las Vegas: A City Transformed
00:02:32
Speaker
what the hell he was wearing. Uh, but dude, seeing Luda and will John and us around the stage at the same time was like, it's like, damn, dude, I feel like I'm back in high school again. Like this is, this is awesome. I loved it. I thought it was great.
00:02:45
Speaker
You know, I thought the one, this isn't like a unique thought. I saw this popping up a lot shortly after, man. I really thought they missed out having a home run cameo by getting Bieber up there with him, dude. I think that would have took it from being a really, really great one to a legendary halftime show if he would have a surprise Bieber cameo. Especially considering he was there. Like, dude, he was at the fucking game. Maybe Bieber didn't want to do it.
00:03:08
Speaker
Yeah, I know he's had like some health issues and stuff over the last couple years. So maybe he just didn't feel like he was up to it. Because as far as I know, I don't think there's any bad blood between those guys. And the idea had to have come up. It was too natural. For those that don't know, you know, Russia is really the one that kind of discovered Bieber and kind of brought him to the mainstream.
00:03:27
Speaker
Yeah, that would have been neat. But other than that, I thought the halftime show was pretty cool. I thought the arena looks great also. You know, I'm cool with, I think Vegas definitely belongs in that permanent rotation you have with, you know, Los Angeles and New Orleans and Miami on just being, you know, every few years they're going to get a Super Bowl. And then you kind of have the one-offs mixed in, but I enjoyed the Vegas Super Bowl.
00:03:47
Speaker
Yeah, everything. So I was like, kind of just sitting there yesterday, just thinking about
Vegas Sports History & Gambling Roots
00:03:53
Speaker
it. Like, imagine somebody 10 years ago ago told you that there was gonna be a Super Bowl in Vegas, like,
00:04:00
Speaker
I don't know, man, it's just kind of you had to like soak it in yesterday. Like, yeah, dude, the gambling capital of the world is hosting the biggest event in the world right now. It's just, it was so awesome. And yeah, it was the sites and stuff were just so cool. And there was just so many people everywhere. Like I loved it, man. I would be down for a Vegas Super Bowl, like once every four years, honestly.
00:04:23
Speaker
I think it's going to happen, man. Yeah, it is crazy. You know, also that we got the freaking the Vegas Raiders now, just because, you know, if you're a newer fan, you don't know the dude, like for the whole time we've been like growing up, sports in Vegas has been completely taboo. The professional sports leagues have been absolutely like petrified at putting a franchise or really doing anything, you know, associated with Las Vegas. It's really been the last five, six years that they finally embraced this gambling thing, which
00:04:48
Speaker
You know, in a lot of ways kind of drives a lot of the casual fans in America, the people that aren't just in it for the love of the game. They're usually trying to get some action in on these games. So it's been nice to see. I never really understood what a big I didn't think it'd be that big a deal having a team in Vegas because like Internet gambling has been a thing for, you know, basically decades now. So glad to see him finally kind of kind of get past that.
00:05:08
Speaker
I think one of the things too is like Vegas is just it's just such like the city I mean the the strip is the city of Vegas like if you're if you're going to Vegas as a tourist like you're staying on the strip or Fremont Street and I just think they were like really worried about building stadiums right there because I mean
00:05:28
Speaker
Dude, the Vegas strip is not a clean place like that ain't somewhere you take your kids and have them enjoy it like now It just reeks of weed they still hand out like the prostitute cards and stuff like that like oh, yeah I just I don't know man It just I think that was one of the biggest things is cuz like do the NFL prides itself on being like family-friendly NHL same way baseball same way like Vegas is not family-friendly dude like walking down the strip. I can't even like imagine taking
00:05:58
Speaker
Zoey there. I mean, shit, I can't even imagine taking Zoey there when she's like 22 like that is gonna make me feel uncomfortable honestly. Yeah, I've actually never been man. I've made it 39 years or whatever going to Vegas. So I don't know. I feel like I need to go. I definitely need to make it happen at some point. We're going again this year because Falcons play in Vegas. So there's no way I'm missing that even if the Falcons are terrible, I'm still going.
00:06:23
Speaker
Before we get into the game, this will be the last
Falcons Fan Heartbreak vs. Swifties' Joy
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Speaker
question, man. I thought about this last night. I was going to text it to you, but I was like, you know what? Let me just wait and ask him and get his live response on the air. How does it make you feel, man? You've been a diehard Falcons fan for over 30 years.
00:06:42
Speaker
living and dying with this team for three decades, man. Meanwhile, all the Swifties didn't even know that football existed three months ago. And now they've all gotten to see their team win a Super Bowl and you still have it, man. Yep. Thanks. No response. No, that's the most jackass or anything you've ever asked me on this fucking podcast. I shouldn't fucking cut my mic right now.
00:07:10
Speaker
Sorry for stating facts, man. Was there any lie in that question? Let's move on. All right, let's get into the game.
00:07:24
Speaker
I feel like I've thrown off your vibe for the rest of the episode. Nope, we're good. Are you dark, Jordan?
Hall of Fame Inductees & Career Reflections
00:07:29
Speaker
Nope, we're good. But before we get into the game, I do want to mention one thing because we forgot to mention it on Friday night. I want to go over the Hall of Fame class of 2024 because this is going to be up there for one of the best Hall of Fame classes, in my opinion. So it was Dwight Frini, Devin Hester, Andre Johnson, Julius Peppers, Patrick Willis.
00:07:50
Speaker
And then, uh, the two senior members that got inducted were Randy gradish shower and Steve Mongo McMichael. So, dude, this is like just with the, the three non-senior members that are played defense Dwight for any Julius peppers and Patrick Willis. That's like a hall of fame defense with just those three guys.
00:08:11
Speaker
Yeah, you can put any other eight scrubs around them and you're still balling. Yeah, great class. I was, I feel like pretty much all those, you know, the two I think were borderline was Andre Johnson and Devin Hester. Devin Hester is such a unique one because I mean, he's the greatest return man in NFL history, but if you look at it,
00:08:29
Speaker
It all really happened in kind of a two-year run, dude. It was really like 06 and 07. He absolutely set the world on fire. And then teams just straight up for the next eight years, they changed the way that they played special teams anytime he was at the receiving end of the ball. But I still think those two years were so impactful. And he's just a legend, man. I think there's been a lot of great return men. I think the fact that being the greatest return man ever, I think that's what punched his ticket, regardless
00:08:57
Speaker
If anything else you want to look at like, you know, the longevity and whatnot. And then Andre Johnson, dude, just there's such a clog of great wide receivers right now. You know, Reggie Wayne's kind of right there in that mix with him also can't quite get over the hump. But I think Andre Johnson, the thing that played in his favor is one such a he was so physically dominating, right? He was just a beast out there with the size, the height and the just the weight. And if he was he would have been a tight end, you know, in a lot of in a lot of different lifetimes.
00:09:27
Speaker
played wide receiver and was incredible. And he had, you know, not that Matt Schaub was a scrub, but he was definitely a B level quarterback that Andre Johnson played with basically his entire career. So I think that's why he kind of moved to the head of the line from some of these other receivers that have been right there knocking on the door the last couple of years.
00:09:43
Speaker
Yeah, I think what you said about Devin Hester is accurate. But I also think what you said about Devin Hester is the reason he is getting in. I mean, he literally changed the way teams kick off like they they had to change the way they played football because of Devin Hester like you couldn't just like randomly throw out like a short kickoff because he was housing it for sure for sure like
00:10:05
Speaker
There, there was always a strategy to it. Like, dude, there was one season where I remember seeing a couple of teams that just decided to kick the ball out of bounds rather than give it to him. Like on a, on a kickoff. So they're getting the ball at the 40 and that's a better option than kicking it to him. Like it's insane.
00:10:22
Speaker
Yeah, he was the freaking man. Glad to see Mongo finally get his due also, man. Mongo's got ALS, Lou Gehrig's disease, been in pretty poor health last couple of years. I think he's actually in the hospital right now, man. He had pneumonia a couple months back. It hasn't been able to get over it. So hopefully, this news brought him a little bit of joy and stuff, man. I'm glad. Had to be morbid, but I'm glad that he got this while he was still here with us.
00:10:46
Speaker
yeah he's definitely uh he's got one foot in and one foot out not not like you said not to be morbid but dude i saw that video of him that day and
00:10:58
Speaker
Good. You never know it was him, man. That is bad, dude. He was such a big presence, man. Like, if you saw him back in his football days, and a lot of us younger fans really know him from being a WCW commentator and wrestler back in the late 90s. He was a four horseman with Ric Flair. And just such a big, larger than life presence, man. Just seemed like he was the life of the party kind of guy. And yeah, it's horrible. Just seeing, you know, I mean, he's kind of just withered away. Just a nasty, nasty disease, man.
00:11:27
Speaker
Sad, man. It's just time goes on more and more. The people you saw when you were a kid just sucks. All right. Let's go into what did not suck. Let's start talking about the game.
Super Bowl Game Analysis Begins
00:11:41
Speaker
We're going to do this kind of quarter by quarter, just kind of to get your feel on the game and just both me and you can talk about it. So the first quarter
00:11:51
Speaker
started off 49ers drove right down the field. Like I'm not shitting you the way that they drove down field with absolute ease. I'm like, Oh my God, this actually might be a massacre. And then McCaffrey fumbles and just the rest of the first quarter was, I mean, it was just like stalemate football.
00:12:12
Speaker
Yeah, I thought you could definitely tell the classic Shanahan. This goes back to his dad, Mike Shanahan. He's the one that kind of made famous scripting the first 15 plays on offense. And you can just tell that they really get that thing dialed in, man, because they typically always have a good first second drive.
00:12:29
Speaker
And yeah, they look like they were just cruising man. And then out of nowhere, a guy who fumbled, I think the stat they gave last night was he had 400 touches this season and fumbled three times. So not a fumbler man. It was just, you know, one of those, one of those plays got hit just right. Ball comes out and you know, we'll talk about it. It's kind of a recurring theme, man. The Niners kind of just kept making mistakes that allowed the Chiefs just enough life. Yeah. Um, we don't really need to go into too much more from the first quarter. It was just,
00:12:58
Speaker
Well, wasn't it like the stat was the 49ers have like 125 yards and the chiefs have like 14 or something like that? Like it was insane. Yeah. Time of possession, the number of plays yardage, the absolutely dominating first quarter, uh, for the 49ers, but you know, didn't put it up any point still ends up zero zero at the end of the first.
00:13:17
Speaker
So then we start the second quarter and the 49ers get a field goal, a 55-yard field goal, the longest field goal in Super Bowl history at that time with seven seconds off the clock and the second quarter make a 3-0 49ers. Dude,
00:13:35
Speaker
There, this was kind of the point where I was starting to get some bad vibes from the Niners. I'm like, they are just not finishing drives already. This is not a good sign. Um, and I'll give them credit. The chief's defense balled out. Like they played really good football and, but this is where I'm starting to get vibes. Like, uh,
00:13:54
Speaker
This ain't going to be the Niners night. Um, followed up with, uh, a cheese drive that came off of the Mahomes 52 yard pass to me. Cole Hardman, which that was one of the most incredible cross your body across the field throws that I've ever seen. And it was a dot like he just dropped it in a fricking bucket.
00:14:17
Speaker
Uh, and then next play Pacheco fumbles, another guy who does not fumble. Yeah, it's just absolutely insane. Um, let's talk about, uh, the Niners next drive where they scored a touchdown or no, I guess it was a couple of drives later, but either way, the Niners driver, they scored a touchdown on that play that they threw the bowl of Juwan Jennings and then threw it back to Christian McCaffrey and the 49ers offensive lineman, literally drug
00:14:46
Speaker
Chris Jones to the ground in front of the ref and nothing was called. But this is one thing I'm going to say about the Superbowl last night. I will give the officials credit. They called it pretty evenly both ways. They didn't call any holdings on either team. So I mean, if you're, if that's what you're going to do, like just stick with that. And I was fine with it, honestly.
00:15:06
Speaker
Yeah, they were, they were definitely letting them play on both sides of the ball, man. I thought the, I thought the Niners should have took advantage of it more often because their interior offensive line was getting wrecked all freaking night. You know, Chris Jones seemed like he was in the backfield, every big pass play almost immediately. And like you said, it definitely went both ways. There was holding all over the place on that double pass.
00:15:26
Speaker
there's a couple times I saw Nick, Nick Bosa straight up in a chokehold man trying to get back to Patrick my home. So yeah, I all things equal, man. I'd rather see the refs just just call it. The double pass was cool, man. I, to be honest, like I almost felt like it was too cute, because it was risky, man. Like that easily could have been a disastrous play. And I felt like the
00:15:47
Speaker
It seemed like every time they handed the ball off to Christian McCaffrey behind Trent Williams, they were getting four or five, six yards of pop, man. I don't know why they didn't just keep pounding the rock. Again, it sounds like I'm being a fun policeman. Why did they run this trick play? But it seemed really risky. But hey, it worked out, man. And next thing you know, the Niners got a 10-point lead in the Super Bowl.
00:16:08
Speaker
I don't think that you being the fun police because honestly I said the same thing. Like McCaffrey had 30 touches in that game for 160 yards and I'm not shitting you. I felt like there was numerous times where I was like why is McCaffrey not touching the ball? Why is McCaffrey not touching the ball? So okay so it's 10-3 at halftime and this is like the point where I'm like looking around the room and everybody and I'm like
00:16:33
Speaker
God, it feels like the 49ers should be up like 20 points right now and they're up seven. Like, I just, I don't know, man. I was not getting really good vibes at that point at halftime. I've been saying this for the past month too about the 49ers. I do not understand their usage of their star players, dude. Kittle caught two balls for four yards in this game. Like,
00:16:57
Speaker
I just, I don't get it. The O-line was struggling so much. He didn't go out for a lot of passes, man. They were having to leave him in the block. That was the, the O-line was struggling so badly, especially on that right side in the interior that a lot of times he was just staying in the block instead of going out and running routes, dude. So again, I think it was the 49ers, if you had to point to one unit, I think it was the Niners O-line that really, really kept them from making this a relatively easy victory.
00:17:21
Speaker
Debo was bad in this game too, dude. I don't know what the hell was going on with him I know he went to the blue 10 at one point, but they said he was completely fine
00:17:30
Speaker
man, him and IU combined for six catches for 82 yards. Like that ain't going to get it done for this team. Like there's, there's just, there's no way. Like it seemed like there was very little, it was not very often last night that Purdy was chugging it to, to wide open receivers, right? That's kind of been the, the reoccurring criticism on him all year is that, you know, he's throwing the ball to, to wide open guys with this offense, but dude, there was almost no separation last night. Like,
00:17:57
Speaker
the plays, they were complete and it was tough challenging throws. Um, yeah, hats off to the chief's DB, the chief's DBs. Cause they had those guys are locked down last night. Yeah, it was a, it was very interesting. So fast forward. Third quarter starts chiefs get the ball around the gate. I'm thinking, all right, here comes the tie game. Incorrect. Patrick Mahomes throws one of the worst balls I've ever seen Patrick Mahomes throw.
00:18:21
Speaker
Um, they pick it off Get the ball at kansas city's 44 and do not score a point like they had to capitalize right there, man Even just getting a fill ball would have helped dude not capitalizing off that You basically like, you know, you get the the chiefs collectively were allowed to give it a big sigh of relief, right? Like hey, we dodged that because that really could have been disastrous coming out of uh, you know coming out of halftime with that
00:18:44
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. And then both teams traded punts. Then we get the Chiefs long drive that resulted in the 57 yard field goal, which is not the longest field goal in Super Bowl history. That's insane to me, dude. A 55. Kickers were on it last night. No, no, no. I'm just saying that's insane to me that there had never been a field goal that long in the Super Bowl. And we get two of them in the same game. That's insane, man. But yeah. Yeah, especially with the last decade, man,
00:19:11
Speaker
kick, you know, the 50 yard field goals have become much more common. You thought we would have seen one by now. Hey, you got to backtrack a little bit, man. You left out an absolutely critical moment in the second quarter when Dre Greenlaw, you know, tore his Achilles just jogging onto the field.
Dre Greenlaw's Injury & Defensive Challenges
00:19:26
Speaker
dude that was like one of like the worst things i think i've ever seen in the super bowl like he didn't do anything wrong he was just getting onto the field and went down and you could tell it was bad immediately just that's what they came back from commercial break too to show us it's like oh my god dude
00:19:47
Speaker
And dude, you know, not to give my final analysis just yet, dude, but I really think if I had to put it on one thing, I think that cost him the game. Let me give you this stat, man. Found this while I was researching this more. So his his backup came in. Orin Burks. All right. After that, from the time Dray Greenlaw went down to the end of overtime, Orin Burks was in the game. He was targeted nine times. Guess how many catches he allowed? Nine.
00:20:14
Speaker
The touchdown pass that they had right after the punt return, he was one that basically broke down that coverage to allow a wide open receiver. QB rating going against him was 134.7. And Dre Greenlaw, the one that he's known for is being one of the best pass coverage linebackers in the league. So the drop off was intense after Greenlaw went down.
00:20:42
Speaker
I feel like that was a huge point, but I feel like this was the point where I knew the 49ers were probably doomed.
00:20:52
Speaker
49ers came back out after the the Chiefs field goal to make a 10 six went three and out immediately. Chiefs get the ball back go three and out punt the ball and the returner just dropped just straight muffs it right through his hands. Given the no it hit off. That's not what happened. Remember the punt returner was waving everybody off.
00:21:13
Speaker
And it bounced off one of the guys, you know, totally, you can't really blame anybody on this man. Like he's trying to block and the ball just drops down and hits off his heel, takes a funny hop. And then, yeah, you know, the, the returner couldn't really feel it, man. I mean, it would have been, it would have been, you know, he probably should have had it dude, but you can't really get mad at him. Like if you've ever played football, it's tough catching them off like a short hop like that, like, you know, with, you
00:21:36
Speaker
the way the ball bounces and stuff. And yeah, that's one of those things, man, like freaking you look back, like all the Patriots, Super Bowls,
Chiefs' Comeback & Coaching Decisions
00:21:43
Speaker
almost all of them, you could point at like one funny balance or something that if it goes a different way, I think back to that Julian Edelman catch on the last drive for the Patriots and the, uh, or the second to last drive for the Patriots and the Super Bowl against the Falcons. Oh, you know, the,
00:21:59
Speaker
the interception that they had against the Seahawks. They're at the goal line last year. Jalen hurts fumble on that snap, man, that, that crazy bounce right there that just absolutely swung the game.
00:22:09
Speaker
Yeah. So chiefs run one play from the 16, get a touchdown to valve the scan one of all people didn't see that one coming. Um, okay. So at this point I'm like, dude, they're on life support now blew another 10 point lead. Gonna have talk about that after we're done talking about the game, Shanahan and these double digit leads and super bowls, like
00:22:34
Speaker
I don't know. Um, so the 49ers actually respond and go on a really long, impressive touchdown drive to make it 16, 13, get the extra point blocked, which another moment that completely just changed the game. Cause now at this point, all the chiefs need is three to tie it. So.
00:22:53
Speaker
Yeah, that God, dude, I felt so bad for the 49ers at that point. It's like it's changed the whole dynamic, man. It ended up at the end of it. It kind of in a funny way may have actually helped them, but you never know what would happen in between the very end of the game. And that if that if that extra point doesn't get blocked, it just changes the whole energy. Yeah. So then the Chiefs drive down, get a field goal, make it 1616 with 549 left.
00:23:19
Speaker
At this point, I'm like, dude, if the 49ers can go on a long scoring drive at this point, like they should be in decent position. Well, they did go on a pretty long scoring drive, kicked a field goal to go up 1916 with 157 left.
00:23:33
Speaker
God, dude, when there was that much time left on the clock, I was like, you knew it was over, dude. I thought it just went to overtime. I thought the Chiefs were going to score a touchdown. That was the end of the game. Like just, you knew they were going downfield with ease and they did. They just chucked it downfield, uh, with just absolute ease. And yeah, it's, uh,
00:23:55
Speaker
Yeah, so we go to overtime and not to solve this over this game, just so we're clear here. This game was excellent. Like this, this was one of the better Super Bowls in the last 20 years. Like I really enjoyed this game. Well played game. Like I said, there's some stuff you could point out that the Niners did, but for the most part, I thought that, yeah, the Chiefs kind of just, you were just a little bit better on this day. Let me ask you this before we move to overtime, man. So the Chiefs get down there. They had six seconds left.
00:24:21
Speaker
On that, when they keep that field goal, do you try, if you're Andy Reid, do you try to get one more play in or do you think it was the right thing to do to keep that field goal and take it to OT? Because I was thinking they may take another shot to just try to end this thing right here.
00:24:33
Speaker
No, cause dude, any like freak thing could happen. Like what happens if like somebody blows their block and moms gets hit as he throws and the ball goes fluttering into the air when you could have just tied the game there. I wasn't surprised that they didn't run another play. I agree. Maybe if you don't got my homes at quarterback and you're not, you're not as confident taking it to OT, maybe go ahead and try to win it right there. But yeah, I think with my homes at QB, you go ahead. Why take a chance on losing the game right there if you don't have to?
00:25:00
Speaker
Yeah, and you know your kicker is making this field goal. Like, butt curve is basically automatic inside of 40. Okay, so this is where I just still am baffled today.
49ers' Overtime Decision & Playoff Rules
00:25:14
Speaker
The 49ers win the toss and take the ball. What the fuck are you thinking? Like,
00:25:23
Speaker
dude there's there's no fucking way now with the rules the way they are and now it came out today that none of the 49ers players even knew that that was a rule I saw that all of the Chiefs players said they they met about it and talked about it two or three different times like this is the OT rules in the playoffs
00:25:39
Speaker
Not a good look for the Niners. Dude, that's a horrible look for Shannon. When they took the ball, I was like, what the fuck are they thinking? And everybody around me is like, what do you mean? What are they thinking? I'm like, dude, both teams get the ball no matter what. Like, there is no touchdown ends the game. Like, this is stupid. This is incredibly stupid. Because now you're... I agree. Go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, I was going to say, did you see Kyle Shanahan's explanation today? No.
00:26:07
Speaker
He said, I was kind of with you, man, but a couple of factors. I think this one's forgivable, and you kind of just got to charge it to the game. Shanahan said that he wanted to make sure that they had the ball first if it went to sudden death. That's why he wanted to take it first. He said we could put the pressure on the other team, and then if they go down and match us, we're the first team to have the ball in sudden death.
00:26:30
Speaker
Which I kind of get that, dude. I mean, me, I'm taking that ball second. And if we get the touchdown, we're going for two. And we're just ending it right there. And I think that the Chiefs come out and said that they'd already had that discussion. So they'd already talked to the overtime scenario. They already knew that if it went to overtime, if the Niners scored a touchdown first, they were going to go down and score. And they were going for two to win it right then and there.
00:26:50
Speaker
So I think that kind of plays into your hand, like, you know, the players just playing with more confidence and stuff. The other thing you got to remember, dude, that the Niners defense had just come off the field after giving up a, you know, basically a 60 yard drive in the in the two minute drill. And I think that defense was pretty gassed. I think that showed up in overtime also. So I think, you know, taking into that account, you know, you got an absolutely tired defense and about the sudden death stuff, I can kind of forgive it. I still probably would rather put the ball, you know, give the Chiefs the ball first if I know it's not a sudden death scenario.
00:27:19
Speaker
There is zero fucking chance I'm taking the risk of Mahomes getting the ball last. Zero fucking risk. There's zero chance I'm taking that risk. And there was a bunch of people around me like, oh, the clock's about to run out. I'm like, dude, the clock doesn't even need to be there. I don't even know what the point of the clock is. Basically another game. Yeah.
00:27:37
Speaker
The game doesn't end like they're going to go. This could go 27 over times. It doesn't matter. Like this game's not going to end. The clock doesn't matter until you get to the end of the second overtime, because if it runs out with a tie at that, then they do another kickoff. It's basically like halftime again. But I don't know if we'll ever actually see that. See it get that deep into it. Yeah, I'm with you, dude. You really don't want to give the homes the
00:28:01
Speaker
the ball with the chance. The other thing, man, if you take out the tire defense out of the equation, I think the other advantage of getting the ball second is you know what you got to get and you're in four down mode. You can operate so much more confidently and you have so much more flexibility with your play calling. If you know you have all four downs to work with, man, I think that just totally changes like the calculus as you're moving the ball downfield.
00:28:23
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I said to one of my friends today. I'm we're talking about and I'm like, dude, if you get the ball second, whatever you're down by, yeah, you have four downs every time. You basically all you need to get is three yards of play at that point. Like, dude, it's such an advantage for the offense to know that like, it puts the defense at such a disadvantage and the offense at a huge advantage because, I mean,
00:28:47
Speaker
They're yeah, no matter what they're going for it on fourth down every time. Like there's, there's no, no three down scenario until you get into field goal range. And I'm, I knew when the chiefs got the ball back, they, we are not getting a field goal attempt. They are going for the fucking throat.
00:29:02
Speaker
They looked in total control. Niners defense was, you know, justifiably worn out. And they, I mean, dude, the Niners defense did a great job despite what we said about, you know, Dre Greenlaw's backup coming in and stinking the joint up. End of the day, they held Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs to 19 points in the Super Bowl. You got to feel like the majority of times that's going to be good enough to win it.
00:29:22
Speaker
Yeah. But the, um, so it's our first time seeing the new overtime rules in action. What, what were your thoughts on it, man? The new, the new overtime format for the playoffs. I loved it. I thought, well, no matter what, even without the, these new rules, it still wouldn't have mattered because the 49ers kicked a field goal. So it would have still been the same either way, but I don't know, man. I just.
Shanahan's Strategies & Game Cost
00:29:45
Speaker
Dude, I know we just talked about Dan Campbell last week, but dude, kicking a fucking field goal from the nine yard line in overtime. I don't know. Yeah, I mean.
00:29:58
Speaker
I don't know, dude. I mean, if you feel like you're, if you're confident your defense can hold them to a field goal, why not? I mean, the Chiefs only scored one touchdown all night prior to that. I get it, man. Like go for that touchdown to, to at least give yourself a shot. But I can't beat it. I think Andy Reid coached better than Kyle Shanahan. I don't think this loss is on any of those decisions, man. Cause dude, even if you get the touchdown, like then what, do you go for two? Cause like we said, the Chiefs already said they were scoring over two. I think regardless,
00:30:25
Speaker
of what the 49ers did that first drive in overtime. I think the Chiefs were winning the Super Bowl, man. Like we said last week, it felt inevitable. And I think that any any doubt of it being inevitable, like kind of went up in smoke the second half of that of that game. So.
00:30:41
Speaker
I don't know. Like I said, Andy couch and I definitely got out coached. Let me be clear on that, man. Like Andy Reed coached a better game than him, but I don't really hang this one on any of the Niners, man. I think it was just the chief's day. You know, you had that flukey punt return, a couple of penalties here and there, but I think it was just a well-played game and the chiefs ended up on top. See, man, I don't agree with that, dude. I seriously think what the 49ers did to start off the third quarter, lost them that game. Dude, McCaffrey did not run the ball.
00:31:11
Speaker
until there was five minutes left in the third quarter. That was the first touch he got, the first carry he got in the third quarter was with five minutes left in the third quarter. They had had the ball twice before that time. Like, dude, I don't, Kyle Shanahan's a fucking idiot, man. He's had double digit leads in three Super Bowls and he's refused to run the ball in every single one of them. So McCaffrey had,
00:31:38
Speaker
He rushed the ball twice in the third quarter. Twice. Yeah, going away from the run in the third quarter definitely hurt, but I don't think I made a difference on that winner losing the game, dude. What? We were just talking about how many times McCaffrey was ripping off four or five yard runs. Dude, your quarterback has no fucking time and you're dropping him back to pass every play. It definitely had an effect on the game. They went three and out three times in the third quarter.
00:32:04
Speaker
Like dude, so if they're, if they're running it more, what do you think they get? What? Another touchdown or another field goal or something? Like I just, I feel like the chiefs was still with a one man, dude, we talk about this all the time. What is the best way to stop the chiefs? Keep my homes on the fucking sideline, run the ball, run the clock as much as you can. They did it in the first half to fucking perfection, dude. They give up three points. Like they did exactly what they were supposed to do in the first half. And then in the second half, she hands like, ah, fuck it. Scrap it. Like,
00:32:33
Speaker
I don't know, dude. I think what the way Shanahan coached was, was the reason they lost. And he's done it three times now. It's not like this is like a first time he's done this. This is the third time he's done it. And every single time it's going to, it was because he refused to run the ball in the second half.
00:32:48
Speaker
Dude, how many times does this have to happen before you learn? Like this is like the definition of insanity. I can't believe you're giving Shanahan no blame for this loss. Like I said he got out coach man, but I don't think they lost the game because of that. I don't think that would have swung him. Even if they pounded the rock the entire third quarter, I still think the Chiefs would have found a way to come out on top, man. I mean, they like you said they were so much worse the second half. They scored almost same amount of points. He scored 10 points the first half. They scored nine points the second half.
00:33:19
Speaker
I don't know, man. Yeah, I definitely would have liked to see Christian McCaffrey get the ball a little bit more in the third quarter. But at the same time, dude, maybe they were feeling like they needed to get a big play because he was getting four, five, six yards. But I think there was only like one time all night that he really kind of broke out in the open field.
00:33:34
Speaker
bro. They had, they had almost 250 yards of offense in the first half and like one 30 in the second half and overtime. Like you can't tell me that that's right. But
49ers' Offensive Shift & Negative Impact
00:33:45
Speaker
look at the time. Look at the time of possession though. They didn't have the ball nearly as much in the second half, man. And yeah, because of the day, the first dude, the first three drives of the third quarter, this is the play calls incomplete pass to Deebo rush for McCaffrey eight yards. Oh wait, wait, wait, hold on. That's the wrong quarter. Third quarter.
00:34:04
Speaker
Okay, so the Chiefs got the ball first, got picked off, then we get Brock Purdy, incomplete pass, Brock Purdy, incomplete pass, Brock Purdy, rush for four yards, punt. That's not a winning formula, dude. There's no way you're going to convince me with how much the Chiefs defensive line was shredding
00:34:25
Speaker
the 49ers offensive line that the strategy for the second half should be let's let Brock party drop back to pass and let him get flustered because he was clearly flustered after halftime. Like you could fucking tell. I mean, he was, he was not getting a ton of time, but he also wasn't making good throws that were even going to get close to getting caught. Like, I don't know, man. I think Shanahan blew this game. Like I don't,
00:34:48
Speaker
I get it. You don't have to agree with everything I say. That's the beauty of this. But I think the way he coached in the second half lost in this game, I heard third quarter was rough. I thought fourth quarter, fourth quarter and overtime were fine though. I mean, Brock pretty got it together. And dude, for what we see, Kyle Shanahan, like almost fully offensive coach defense does this thing. He runs the offense, bro. The offense walked off the field with the lead.
00:35:12
Speaker
in with two minutes to go in the fourth quarter and in overtime, dude, Brock Purdy walked up both times. Brock Purdy walked off the field. His team was winning. Um, and they just needed one stop from the defense and the defense couldn't get it done. So I don't think this one's on Shanahan, dude. I think there's a little bit of a blame to go around the entire 49ers team for not getting this one done. And I think more than that, I think it was just the chiefs winning, bro.
00:35:34
Speaker
I'm going to tell you what the time of possession for the game was and remind you that how much the time of possession the first half was for the game. 3831 for the 49ers 3626 for the Chiefs. Like dude, they, they completely went away from what worked in the first half. That's all I'm saying.
00:35:54
Speaker
whether or not you want to acknowledge it or not. That's exactly what happened. They went away from what worked and that's why they lost. I'm sorry. There's, there's no other way to look at it. Their defense was gas and yes, they did walk off the field twice with the lead. Their defense was absolutely gassed. You said it, you know, it makes it. And so you get your defense on the sideline, run the ball and run the clock, dude, going three and out in 40 seconds, ain't helping anything.
00:36:18
Speaker
I'm sorry, dude. I just, them just letting 40 seconds go off the clock and then putting their defense back out there. It killed them in the end of the game. Third quarter. They were never in a possession to just, when were they ever in a possession to just run the clock, dude? Like the 10 point lead they had was halfway through the second quarter. Like they were, they were, they had to stay in attack mode the entire second half.
00:36:40
Speaker
Bro, they were up 10 points in the third quarter. They had plenty of time to go into fucking run. They weren't up 10 points in the third quarter. They were up 10, three at halftime. Then it went 10, six, and then they were down. They were down 13 to 10 and traded scores, dude. They were up 10-0 in the second quarter. 10-0 in the second quarter.
00:37:02
Speaker
Dude, I just, I don't know, man. The same thing keeps happening every time Kyle Shanahan's in the Superbowl and people act. You're right. No, I'm right there with you, dude. Yeah. He's the, until he wins one, you know, he's, he's kind of got the, he's the Andy Reed of this generation, dude. You know, that was Andy Reed's thing for the longest time, dude. Can't win the big one. Think about all those NFC championships that they lost and they lost the one Superbowl. He made it in Philly.
00:37:25
Speaker
I'm still a believer, man. I think he's a good enough coach that eventually the chips will fall the right way. I mean, they've made it to the final four, four out of the last five years, made the two Super Bowls. Um, dude, I think he's had bad luck. I mean, one of those years was a Jimmy Garoppolo quarterback. Like that was just, I think that was the mirage of a season, if anything, dude. And yeah, man, like they, they definitely should have ran the ball more. I agree with you, man, but I don't think that puts this loss solely on, on Kyle Shanahan. I mean, dude, I just,
00:37:55
Speaker
I don't know. I just, I guess like the, the shine of Kyle Shanahan is beginning to fade away for me. I just, he's a great regular season coach. Like they've made it, dude, they've made it to the conference championship. Again, four out of the last five, made the two Superbowls. How is he a regular season coach? This dude's never gone one and out in the playoffs, man. Okay. What do you get for getting second place?
00:38:18
Speaker
Same thing. Dude, you hang a banner, you get a trophy for that, dude. I would love, I mean, I would take that all day. If you tell me like, hey, here's what's, no promise on anything else, dude. I'll tell you this though, your team is gonna make it to the conference championship for the next five years. Who's not taking that deal, man? Like there's still been the sec, I mean, I think there's a second best team besides the Chiefs for this era in the NFL, dude. They just, and if it wouldn't have been for Patrick Mahomes, I think they win the Superbowl. I think if they're playing any other team yesterday, they do win it, man, but they just,
00:38:47
Speaker
They had like the freaking new Tom Brady, the most clutch guy in football, one of the most clutch guys we've ever seen before on the other side of the ball.
00:38:54
Speaker
I mean, you can make every excuse in the book, dude, but here's the fact. They've been to three Super Bowls in the last 12 years and they have zero. They haven't won a Super Bowl in 30 years now. Like, dude, I just, I don't get it. Like, everybody's talking about this. Like the 49ers are like a dominant team. Dude, they haven't won a Super Bowl in 30 fucking years. They're just like the Cowboys. It's been 30 years, dude. Like, at some point that has to mean something. Like,
00:39:20
Speaker
They've dominated the NFC, dude. I mean, yeah, they haven't won at all, but they've they've definitely been the dominant team in the NFC over the last half decade. And I'm looking at the stats right now. Christian McCaffrey got the ball 13 times in the second half, man. Like, dude, OK, so let me ask you this. What are the Buffalo Bills known for? Like, what are they known for?
00:39:40
Speaker
they're known for losing the four straight Super Bowls. Exactly. Does anybody think about it though? It's hella impressive that they do you think any Buffalo Bills fan is wearing a sweatshirt that says four straight AFC championships? No, not a single fucking soul is wearing anything that says, Hey, we went to the Super Bowl and lost like that'd be like man.
00:40:00
Speaker
Love it, dude. The K gun team, the Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, those teams are beloved in Buffalo. They are beloved, but nobody's wearing that shit is what I'm telling you, dude, that nobody is fucking proud of that. Yeah, they love the players, but nobody is proud of that. Dude, you think I'm ever going to fucking wear something that says 2016 NFC champions. You're on fucking drugs, dude.
00:40:20
Speaker
I mean, yeah, I think celebrating the actual conference championships kind of lame, but you can still look back fondly at those teams, man. Like I love, I love those 16 Falcons. I love the, the 2012 Falcons. How I love the 2010 Falcons. They got boat race by the Packers, man. I think that's a problem with sports fandom, dude. If you're basing it all on super bowl or bus, dude, you're going to end up sad almost every single year you're watching sports in your lifetime. Even if you're a Patriots or a Chiefs fan, dude, you're still
00:40:45
Speaker
Most years gonna not bad you got to celebrate the good man and the Niners had a great fucking season days Like they were a razor's edge away from winning the Super Bowl man Like I I still think this season was a smash success for them by any measure Dude, the problem is is you only get a certain amount of window for winning a Super Bowl. I
00:41:03
Speaker
they're about to run into salary cap hell like dude i'm telling you this is a bigger loss than you're making it out to be there but it's a devastating loss yeah don't get me wrong it's a devastating loss i'm not saying that i just i don't think you can put this all on kyle shanahan he's definitely got a slice of it but i i think saying that he lost his team the game is a little strong man
00:41:22
Speaker
That being said, yeah, he's got the reputation out, dude. We like to say, Bill Parcells, you are what your record says you are. And he's 0-3 in the Super Bowl now as a coordinator or a head coach. So I'm right there with you, man. He's always going to have that bugaboo on his record until he wins one. But last night, I thought it was just a good play game. I mean, if that punt return doesn't bounce off the back of the guy's shoe, Niners probably win. I mean, the one touchdown the Chiefs scored in regulation was off of that, man, off a short field after that turnover.
00:41:49
Speaker
OK, well, if Jalen Hurts doesn't fumble the ball backwards last year, the fucking Eagles win. I don't think that's bringing any solace to any Eagles fans. I'm pretty sure. I agree. I agree. I'm just trying to pull Kyle Shanahan at least a little bit out of the fire that you're throwing him in right now. He deserves to be in the fire, dude. I mean, dude. This is starting to sound personal. It is personal, dude. Like, how many fucking times can a dude blow a 10-point fucking Super Bowl lead before people are like, all right, dude.
00:42:19
Speaker
I'm picturing you with the last night I see that with the Jesse Pinkman meme like how can he keep getting away with this? I mean seriously I just don't get it like I'm with you dude it's crazy man and trust me dude I guarantee you
00:42:33
Speaker
Yeah, I couldn't imagine going to sleep as him last night, dude. That's got to make you sick, man. I feel like that after I lose a fucking game, I'm mad when I blow the lead, man. I couldn't imagine. This is your life's work, which you dedicated to. Your dad won two Super Bowls. Think about how amazing it would be to win one, man, with these stakes. And you're right. It happened again, dude. They had the lead. They had control of the game and end up freaking losing it, man.
00:43:00
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. It's rough. And the other thing, like you mentioned, dude, if we want to go ahead and start taking a glance at next season, I looked at it today. The Niners really have one more year left with this group before they got to make some moves, man.
49ers' Financial Challenges & Salary Cap
00:43:15
Speaker
Debo is most likely gone after next season, man, unless there's some major restructuring. They're going to have to do some contract restructuring this offseason just to be able to bring everybody back. But it looks like they should be able to bring most everybody back for next season.
00:43:27
Speaker
But that's it, dude. Because a couple of these guys are going to be due for new contracts. Brock Purdy is going to have to have some sort of contract extension. And it's going to be a different Niners team taking the field in 2025. The other problem for them, and I said this to somebody last night, dude, if you're paying Deebo Samuel $28 million, what do you got to pay Ayuk to stay there at this point?
00:43:50
Speaker
Because I think they got a hard decision to make man like the bows like you got to look at I think he does provide some of that like intrinsic value right he's like the tone setter right give kind of gives him the swag the attitude I think I use the better player on the field right now though and I don't know man I the one thing they may have going in their favor dude I don't think that
00:44:10
Speaker
i don't think debo debo is getting something like almost thirty million a year from the niners i don't think another teams pain in that because i don't think another team would use him the way that the niners gonna use him so maybe you know maybe he's got a smart agent says like hey maybe take a little less stay with the niners and still gonna be more than we get on the open market cuz
00:44:28
Speaker
He's a really unique player, especially with the way the Niners use him. And as physical as he plays, I can't imagine him aging well over the next four to five years. So I think he's going to be 29 at the start of next season. So yeah, we'll see what happens with Deebo. I do think he's important to their team. He's almost like the Draymond Green type. You know what I mean? It doesn't bring necessarily as much as they used to once the actual game starts, but just does a lot for just the mental aspects of the team.
00:44:57
Speaker
Yeah, dude, it's next year. They got to want to do it. It's, it's, it's super bowl or bus for the Niners next year. Yeah. I guess that's just kind of where I'm at. Like I watched these Niners fans last night and how heartbroken they were and stuff. And I'm just like, dude,
00:45:12
Speaker
I know what you just said about them going to four straight NFC championship games. Like it's still ain't promised next year, dude. You're, you're one injury away from your season being over. Like, yeah, that's the reality of the NFL, man. You're, you're literally one injury away from being done for the season. Like it's just,
00:45:30
Speaker
I don't know. I was on 49ers Reddit today and they said last night, you know, a big thing I was seeing from a lot of fans was that that loss last night kind of, they felt like it kind of changed the image of the team. Cause you know, the Niners are up there in royalty. I mean, if they won the Superbowl, they tied with the Steelers and Patriots for most Superbowls ever. And they never lost the Superbowl man prior to 2020.
00:45:50
Speaker
And 12 and they went with Kaepernick. Yeah, they never lost. And now we're like one of the teams that loses Super Bowls, right? We're up there with the Vikings, the Bills, teams like that that have been a bunch and lost. Because this is three straight they've lost. They lost in 2012 with Kaepernick, 2019 with Kyle Shanahan and Jimmy Garoppolo. And then, yeah, last night. So three straight Super Bowl losses in the last decade and change for the Niners. Yeah, it's not good for them. I don't know, man.
00:46:18
Speaker
If they got a lot of tough decisions to make, they obviously need to bring in more offensive linemen, which with the amount of cap space they have, I don't know how they're gonna do that. Like, dude, they're gonna have to get really creative with what they're doing, or they're gonna have to trade somebody man like
00:46:34
Speaker
I'm not smart enough with like the O-line playing scheme and stuff to know if it was just the players or if they were just getting straight up out scheme. But yeah, dude, it seemed like any obvious pass situation, they were just teeing off on Brock Purdy, man. He would have like, you know, a half second, maybe a second to make a decision and get the ball out. Like they just, they had no shot.
00:46:54
Speaker
No, you're, you're, it's not scheme or anything, dude. Like the, they have Trent Williams and then they have nobody else. Like that's, that's their problem because they're running the same scheme that the Falcons ran when Shanahan was the offensive coordinator. And that scheme is extremely player friendly. So like a lot of against lesser teams, like you can get away with it a lot, but you don't necessarily got to have like studs at every single position on the O line. Right.
00:47:19
Speaker
No, because I mean, dude, outside Alex Mack, like, yeah, Jake Matthews is a good player. He's, he's a really good player, but I don't think he's like one of the elite left tackles in the NFL. And like Alex, I feel like if you're going to run this through the scheme that the 49ers run, you have to have an elite center because the center can get everybody just in the right position. You know, like when you have Jason Kelsey, you know, your offensive line is going to be in the right position, whether or not they make the plays is on them.
00:47:47
Speaker
you know, they're at least going to be in the right position to make the play. So I don't know, man, that you got last night, I, they're offensive line. Didn't even look like they knew what they were doing. Then again, dude, they didn't look that much better against Detroit either. It was just, I mean, I, Aiden Hutchinson was just destroying his guy every play. It's just, it's just
00:48:09
Speaker
He's one of those, the Niners offense is explosive as it were all year. They had a rough playoffs, man. Like you take away, take away that one, um, you know, take away that, that just heater that they got on against Detroit. The offense did not look great in the playoffs. They, they would get it together in the fourth quarter and put some stuff together, but they were very up and down.
00:48:27
Speaker
Yeah, I think you're right. I think it comes back to that O line, man. I thought Brock was good enough. I think you're totally comfortable with him being the guy there. Maybe not for the lifetime, but I think at least the next three, four years, you're in good hands with him. I thought he kept his composure.
00:48:43
Speaker
wasn't the greatest, you know, wasn't the greatest court, greatest Super Bowl ever played by quarterback by any means. But I thought he really, he stood in there and went toe to toe with my homes, ended up with a higher, you know, pro football focus greeted him out as a better game than Patrick the homes. Yeah. I think if you guys, if you're looking for silver linings as a, as a Niners fan, I think Brock Purdy was, was great last night along with Christian McCaffrey, who was just like said, man, give him the ball some more times data. Yeah. He, he seemed like he just gets forward momentum every single carry.
00:49:14
Speaker
he's all world dude there's there's no other way to describe it Christian McCaffrey like the things that he does on a football field is just absolutely incredible I mean you know it's coming and you still can't stop it like he's just he's unreal that trade was
00:49:31
Speaker
God damn dude, what a shit franchise the Panthers are got fleeced on. I mean, dude, this dude is arguably going to be the best running back of our era and look at the running backs that are in this era right now.
Christian McCaffrey's Impact & Trade Success
00:49:44
Speaker
I think he got the baton from Derek Henry, dude. He's definitely the man now. Like he just
00:49:48
Speaker
He's got a way of like, it seems like he is getting like across the line of scrimmage and getting positive yardage so quick, man. And like, he's just constantly moving forward. Even when he's waiting for the blocks to develop, it's like he's still moving forward picking up yardage. It just, it just looks good every time he gets the ball. Dude, just think about that. In one calendar year, the Panthers traded their best player in the franchise for a second, third, fourth, and fifth round pick. And then they turn around and trade
00:50:17
Speaker
their first round pick last year, the number one pick this year and their best offense or second best offensive player in DJ Moore to the Bears. And now they have Bryce Young and they already fired their coach because their owner is a complete idiot. Like
00:50:33
Speaker
Dude, if I was a Panthers fan, you are in absolute hell right now. They're at the opposite end of the spectrum from the like the Texans fans right now, dude, where the, you know, the future is so bright, you got to wear shades. Yeah, there's no it's like they dropped like an atomic bomb in the middle of that stadium. That's the only reason you need to wear shades because it's just
00:50:53
Speaker
It's imploding everywhere. Yeah, it's not good. So we went in on the Niners, man. I think we kind of gave our outlook for them for next season, what's got to happen. Dude, scary thing for the NFL. This was like a down year for the Chiefs, man. Kind of like a hard down year. I think about how we were talking about them as recently as like six or seven weeks ago. And they won the freaking Super Bowl, dude. Bro, I actually came to like an epiphany yesterday about this team.
00:51:21
Speaker
They literally are doing the exact same thing that the Patriots were doing early in Tom Brady's career, not paying a ton of money on offense outside of outside of the quarterback. And they're they're tight end, obviously. But they're just kind of getting.
00:51:37
Speaker
run-of-the-mill guys on offense, but they built an elite defense. And if there's one thing Belichick proved is you can win with a really, really great quarterback and a really, really great defense. And that's the formula they've built, man. Their defense ain't going to get worse next year. It's going to get better.
00:51:56
Speaker
They traded the best wide receiver, arguably, you know, you flip a coin between him and Christian McCaffrey, the best offensive playmaker in the NFL with Tyreek Hill and went on to win the next two Super Bowls. And the weird thing is, is their offense was not better in either one of those years. It was, it was statistically worse in both years, but they built an elite defense, dude. They just,
00:52:18
Speaker
I don't know, man. I think the scary thing is within that formula, they definitely got room to improve the playmakers on offense, man. I don't know, dude. It sucks, dude. Especially if you're in the AFC, it sucks. But really, if you're in the AFC West, it's just like, fuck, dude. Let me just check out on the next decade of being a fan. And I'll come back in 2033 and see what things are looking like.
00:52:41
Speaker
So they don't have very much cap space either so they'll have to get creative as well.
Chiefs' Three-Peat Chances & Strategy
00:52:49
Speaker
The one good thing for them is, and I didn't even think about this last week, dude, I don't know why this didn't get brought up, but now they'll be going for a three-peat next year. We did not even talk about this. So it's guaranteed Kelsey and Reed are coming back now. I think next year is both of those guys last year though. I think like next year is their swan song. Like they're going to try to go for the three-peat and if they get it,
00:53:15
Speaker
I think they're done whether they get it or not. I think what a perfect way to go out to you, man, getting a three piece, something that's never been done in the NFL. Yeah. It's going to be, it's going to be interesting, but I don't know, man. I think the NFL next year is going to be, I think it's going to be deep and it's going to be good, dude. The, the young teams that made the playoffs this year are just going to advance that much more. So I wouldn't just like write off the rest of the NFL yet. Like I think next year is going to be pretty special, honestly.
00:53:43
Speaker
I mean, this year was great, dude. I mean, shit, the Chiefs were underdogs their last two playoff games, and they were only two and a half point favorites against the Dolphins, dude. I mean, they went on the freaking, they just went on the road. No, they were underdogs in their last three games, bro. They were underdogs in the Bills. Underdogs in the Super Bowl, man.
00:53:59
Speaker
Yeah. So, all right. With that out of the way, we're going to take a look into the crystal ball and make some way too early Super Bowl predictions for next year.
00:54:26
Speaker
I wanted to get something really triumphant sounding for the intro for this segment. So that way, if one of us is right, we can clip out the audio and replay it next year at Super Bowl time. And it's just going to be freaking money. Yeah. All right. Let's both start with our AFC team. We're not going to do a Super Bowl matchup just yet. We'll start with who we think is coming out of the AFC first. All right. You go first. Dude.
00:54:56
Speaker
going for a three-peat. I really, really find it hard that they're not going to make it back, honestly. But just not to be like going with the easiest pick ever. I'm not going to go with the easiest pick ever. I think the Ravens are going to get there next year. I think the Ravens are good enough. Granted.
00:55:19
Speaker
I mean, there's no way they ever have a playoff game again where they only hand their running backs ball six times, right? Like that had to have been a learning moment for, for John Harbaugh, right? Like there's no way they're ever doing that again. I am sticking in the AFC North.
00:55:37
Speaker
I'm going with a team that didn't even make the playoffs this year, man. They got attitude for days, man. They were actually really starting to round in the form before their starting quarterback got hurt. And they got the swag. They know they can go in in the playoffs and win in Arrowhead.
00:55:53
Speaker
I think the Cincinnati Bengals are going to make it back to the Super Bowl next season. I think they find a way to keep T Higgins in the mix, add a few key pieces, man. And I think they come out nasty next year, dude. I think Joe Burrow is going to be ready to set the league on fire. I got faith that they're going to get over this thing where they just keep it in neutral the first four weeks of the season. I think we see the Bengals come on strong next year and make a return trip to the Super Bowl.
00:56:16
Speaker
See, the T Higgins thing makes me nervous, dude, because they've basically already said he's going into free agency either way. Dude, one of these teams that has no receivers is going to offer that dude like $35 million a year. And dude, it's pretty tough to pass up $35 million a year. Like you might not be in the greatest situation ever, but dude, $35 million a year for five years is like life changing money. So
00:56:44
Speaker
I don't know, man. I think this was the, the bangles had a window because they had everybody under contract on rookie deals and they got to pay Jamar chase next year too, which he's going to get the highest salary ever for a wide receiver. I mean, that's coming 100%. So you got to imagine they're going to have almost a hundred million dollars wrapped up in salary between burrow and chase. Like dude, they're going to just have to like keep resetting it every year and having a rookie wide receiver.
00:57:12
Speaker
like Higgins is really important to what they do, man. I think they're, I think they're going to miss him if he leaves, but even if he does leave my prediction stands, man, I think, I think the bangles make it next year. They're good. You, you go first for NFC.
00:57:25
Speaker
Uh, the Niners going to be right there in the mix, man. They're still going to be loaded for at least one more year. But I think a team that came on strong, take the Niners to the freaking limit. I think the Packers did. I think, I think what we saw in the second half of the season from Jordan Love was really, really special. I think Matt Leflore is a great coach. Their defense was kicking ass too, man. Like they had a,
00:57:45
Speaker
They, they had a knack for giving up game winning drives, but the defense was really good. I think they get that, you know, whatever little wrinkle in their scheme was allowing that to happen so much this year. I think they get that close. And I think we see the Packers make a return to the Superbowl and I, and I picked the bangles to win. I'm picking bangles over Packers. Yeah. That that's when my, that's not what I'm going to be. I say the bungles are going to finally win a Superbowl next season.
00:58:11
Speaker
I'm going to go with, with the team that should have beat the 49ers with a 20 point lead. I'm going to go the lions. I think, I think that this season was like huge for them because it showed them what they can be obviously. And I also think it's going to help Dan Campbell in the long run, man. Like nobody's saying this dude's not a good coach. Like we're not, not one person is saying that it's just,
00:58:33
Speaker
they wouldn't have been there if it wasn't for him adjusted like maybe your mindset a little bit in the bigger games you know like maybe don't go for two seven straight times like maybe just adjusted just adjusted a little bit and I think you guys are gonna be fine. God, they return everybody to and they have a ton of salary cap if I remember reading that right like they have a ton of cap room so
00:58:59
Speaker
I'm going to go lions,
Early Super Bowl Predictions for Next Year
00:59:00
Speaker
man. I just, I think they're built to win and they got the right coach. And I just feel like everybody's buying into it. They got Ben Johnson back, which was a gigantic happening. Like there are off seasons, already a success just by keeping him. Um, so yeah, I'm going to go lions and I'll say Ravens over lions in the Superbowl.
00:59:20
Speaker
Yeah, I thought about the Lions. I feel like that loss was so devastating. There might be a little bit of a residue on it from next season. But yeah, good pick. So we'll see. So we got Niners Ravens and Packers Bengals. I was saying to you, man, I went for a job today. And I was kind of thinking this out of my job. And I'm like,
00:59:37
Speaker
just pick the chiefs, but we, we got with it. That's just too boring. So we'll, we'll at least caveat our picks with that, that we both agree that you can't pick the chiefs, right? Yeah, it's, we can't pick a team that just went back to back super bowl. That would be the most boring thing ever. We both obviously know there's a greater than 50% chance that the chiefs go back to the super bowl, but yeah, if I'm laying money down, it's not chiefs, but we're, we're, we're looking to stoke some conversation. Yeah.
01:00:01
Speaker
All right. I, uh, so we'll get into the, get into the mailbag. Our buddy John Swallow says, uh, he had two questions we already discussed. He asked if the Niners should have kicked in overtime and what was the game changing moments or anyone into that? Uh, Sam Rosenthal says, do you think Taylor resigns with the chiefs? How many touchdowns is the Kelsey score after the game? Uh, I don't know.
01:00:22
Speaker
I don't know how many touchdowns scored after the game. Uh, will they still be together next football season? Let's go down that opening day 2025, Jordan, will Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey still be a thing? Yeah. But somebody brought this up today too. Like if this dude is going to travel with her for all of her concerts, which I'm assuming he will like, dude, that's not very much rest in the off season, man. Like that's a pretty fucking extensive like off season, you know,
01:00:52
Speaker
which I mean, I think he's going to obviously do it. Like he's not going to miss any football related activities, but I think he's going to go to as many as he can. Um, yeah, I still think they're together, but, uh, that's going to be a hell of an off season for Travis Kelsey, man.
01:01:08
Speaker
I'm going to go out there and say that they don't last, dude. Like, kind of, she's known for, like, the short-fling relationships, the six-year relationship she was in before this one with Travis Kelsey was definitely the exception. I think the buzz from the Super Bowl season starts to fade, and some of the PR, you know, magic that kind of fed into this whole thing starts to fade. I say they're not together come 2025, man. And, like, knowing her, dude, I think, like, the night before opening night, she's going to drop, like, some banger of, like, a breakup single. 87. Call it 87.
01:01:39
Speaker
Hey, one thing like and I don't ever get into like this because I always think like public displays of affection are fucking weird like I've just always been kind of weirded out by that like it looked so fucking awkward like when they're like kissing on the field and stuff like
01:01:57
Speaker
Oh, dude, I didn't want to get into it either. But yeah, so, you know, I kind of said back when this first thing was happening, I thought this whole thing was fake and like a PR stunt, dude. And I had kind of started to fade that just from how they've acted and stuff, dude, seeing that last night. Yeah, dude, it looks staged. It looked like there was like zero chemistry. It looked very forced, right?
01:02:17
Speaker
Bro, there is no fucking way. I'm telling you right now, there is no goddamn way. If I just won the Super Bowl, there is zero fucking chance I'm going in closed lip kiss. Like we're almost banging on the football field. Like people are going to wonder what's wrong with us. It looked very controlled. It looks so weird. It was very weird. It was like the most awkward fucking thing ever. Like
01:02:42
Speaker
I don't know, just like the hug and everything just looked like so forced and awkward. Like, I don't know with you, dude. I mean, we'll get without the benefit of the doubt, dude, like there were, you know, literally, I've never, you know, kissing or hug Sheena with hundreds of cameras right around me and knowing that basically the entire world is watching. So maybe that kind of just throws your vibe off. But dude, I agree 100% man, it looked
01:03:07
Speaker
I think that was fuel for the fire for all the people that firmly believe that this thing is all just a gigantic publicity stuff, man. I think it was, it was right there for you, dude. If that's what you think, cause yeah, I agreed a hundred percent. It was so weird. But let's talk about, cause one thing we can't move on from the Taylor thing. Let's talk about who the star of the Kelsey Swift boxes. Jason Kelsey is a goddamn star, dude. Like he's the man. He needs to be on one of the pregame shows next season.
01:03:35
Speaker
Dude, he is literally one of the most likable people ever. I don't think you can like someone more than I like him. And his wife, the real fucking MVP, shows up in a Chief's box. She ain't wearing no goddamn Chief's shit. She's wearing a Bearcats fucking sweater. Fuck that.
01:03:52
Speaker
You know the Philly fans love that dude. Oh, yeah, dude. She's those two are absolutely incredible and Jason Kelsey being hammered at the nightclub last night in a luchador mask like Drumming on the drums like dude, what a fucking hero that that's what I came out of this playoffs with is a I already love Jason Kelsey But like I think it got notched up after this playoffs. Honestly, I
01:04:15
Speaker
Yeah, he's a man, dude. Probably, I wouldn't be surprised if he's first ballot Hall of Famer five years from now. Oh, he's 100% going in first ballot.
01:04:22
Speaker
All right, Zach Hurster says, do you think this game was rigged? This one, I'd say no, man. Even though it kind of ended up, if it would have ended with a Mahomes to Kelsey touchdown, my radar would have went up a little bit. But like Jordan mentioned earlier, man, the refs for the most part stayed out of the way on this one. There were no kind of crucial penalties or anything like that. Like you really didn't even notice the refs on this one. No, this was just a well-played game. There was no point last night where I'm like, oh, this game's rigged or anything like that. Like it was just good. What I was sweating that last,
01:04:53
Speaker
I think it was the driving overtime, I believe, where Brock Purdy made that awesome pass to use check. And he's kind of reaching out for the first down and the ball bounced out on it. I thought for sure they were going to review that and say that wasn't a catch. I was so glad that they didn't, man, because I thought that was definitely a catch. Dude had control of the ball, and then he was just reaching out for the first down, man. It wasn't like he was just stumbling and trying to gather himself, you know? Yeah. All right. Mike Rivera, did you know Brock Purdy was the last pick in the draft? Did you know that, dude? Had no idea.
UK Sports Discussion
01:05:24
Speaker
I know. Phil Dunnett, is it finally over? Yes, Phil. We can start watching fucking soccer or what the hell else do they do? What do they do, like darts? What are the other big UK sports, man? Yeah, I think there are cricket fans, maybe some like fucking rugby, something like that. Like dog walking, like the dog shows. Yeah, that's probably, that seems more like them, probably shaving poodles and stuff like that.
01:05:48
Speaker
All right.
Kedarius Tony's Performance & Controversy
01:05:49
Speaker
And last question, if Mike Rivera says, if Kedarius Tony had played the last month in any of the games with KCB champs right now, I really think he was the problem the whole season on offense. I mean, dude, they they bear. I mean, it was once for games all the way against the bills, right? He fence and Niners. I get Tony had one game swinging mistake in or at least worth one score, man. A once more mistake in at some point in those last three games.
01:06:14
Speaker
Also, when you say his name, you put some respect on his name. That's Super Bowl champion, Kedarius, Tony, to you, pal. Two times, dude. God, what an absolute fucking shitbird of a fucking person just goes on Instagram right after your team just won the AFC. We didn't even talk about that. Goes on Instagram live and is basically like starting this whole like witch hunt, like I was never hurt. Yeah, we know you weren't hurt. You were hurting the team, bro. Yeah.
01:06:41
Speaker
Yeah, Patrick Mahomes, who from everything we see is like a super positive, supportive teammate. Even he fucking like cut the cord on this guy. I mean, Patrick Mahomes still supports his loser brother. So like if you got any doubts on whether or not Patrick Mahomes is supportive, that should answer that because Jackson Mahomes is an absolute fucking loser.
01:07:02
Speaker
Yeah, he's a weirdo, man. What a fall from grace for Tony, though. I mean, last year he was low key, like one of the heroes of the Super Bowl to being a healthy scratch this season. Oh,
Criticism of Super Bowl Commentary
01:07:11
Speaker
also, can we talk about one more thing about the Super Bowl? Dude, Tony Romo is fucking awful. Horrible, bro.
01:07:18
Speaker
Dude, the first two seasons, it was good because like he was giving us like some insights and stuff, kind of like Matt Ryan was doing this year. Like he's giving you insights to the game, like telling you why they did this on a certain play. Now he's just annoying with every single play. That fucking thing that he does all the time when he goes, Oh, I don't know, Jim. I'm like, dude, shut the fuck up. Like nobody cares about you, dude.
01:07:43
Speaker
Uh, and he does it all the time. Like he used to just do it in big moments. Now he does it all the time. You know, it was my biggest groaner from the commentary last night. Hopefully you
Misinterpretation of Mahomes' Actions
01:07:53
Speaker
were, weren't, you know, getting a refill or paying attention on this one. Cause I know it would have drove you nuts too. There was a throw, I believe it was in the third quarter. My home's completed a pass and he got hit afterwards and was going down to the ground and they showed the replay and get hit. And, uh, the announcers, I can't remember if it was Nancy Romo, they were like,
01:08:09
Speaker
look he was getting hit so he's having to look up at the screen to see if the pass was complete it was romo i was like no that motherfucker was 100 looking at the ref waiting to get the fucking roughing flag dude like there is zero chance he was looking at the screen i mean good on him dude it's part of the game at this point but dude keep it real man that motherfucker was looking for the penalty flag yeah because even when he got up he went right at the ref he didn't give a shit that that ball got completed
01:08:34
Speaker
Yeah, he wasn't even worried about it. He's trying to get that free 15. That's the one thing he did. I
Podcast Future & Team Prospects
01:08:38
Speaker
think the biggest thing he took from Tom Brady was, dude, work those fucking reps for the roughing goals. All right, so that is a wrap for season one of the goal line. We're keeping it going in the off season though, man. So what we're going to do every two weeks, we're going to drop you guys an episode with a little bit of news from around the sports world. And then we're going to pick two teams
01:09:00
Speaker
We're going to pick two teams to kind of just do an in-depth preview, like a recap of what their season looked like last year and then talk about our outlook for them for the twenty twenty four season. I was bored at Brett's karate class this afternoon and kind of sketched it out. We got it sorted to where this will wrap up on the episode right before the season starts next year. And we're going to do we're going to go from worst to first. So we'll be starting off next episode. We'll be covering the commanders and the Panthers.
01:09:30
Speaker
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, no. We have to do the teams that are in the top 10 of the NFL draft first, because we have to have those done before the NFL draft. We are the commanders. I think the Bears are picking first, so we have to start with the Bears.
01:09:44
Speaker
Okay, well, we'll, I'll rejigger the schedule around we'll make sure we get to all the the top 10 in the draft in for the draft goes but, but yeah, that's what you guys can look forward to. We'll have
Listener Gratitude & Announcer Jokes
01:09:54
Speaker
some fun episodes mixed in also if there's anything you guys want to hear us talk about, you know, as always drop us a line, and we'll make it happen but
01:10:00
Speaker
Yeah, I thought, I truly enjoyed it. I just want to give you, you know, swig of beer for you, man. I really, really enjoyed doing this with you this year, even outside of all the totally humbling support that we got from all the listeners, man, which was awesome. I just had a blast hopping on and talking football with you every single week, buddy. Yeah, man. It was a...
01:10:17
Speaker
It was cool. Like I've said a couple times, like, didn't really know what to expect out of this. And it is cool getting messages from you guys and telling us like how much you enjoy the show and that we do a good job because like, dude, there's a ton of podcasts that you could be listening to. So like the fact that you even listen to us is just it's enough for us, man. So
Proposal for Uncensored Football Broadcast
01:10:39
Speaker
yeah.
01:10:40
Speaker
Thanks for listening. Seth, thanks for being the best broadcast partner I could have. I'm pretty sure me and you could replace Roma and Nance, but they would have to put us on HBO because the swearing would be too much. I was going to say, if they could let us cuss. I had that thought as a kid, man. I used to think about wrestling, but then also real sports. If you could have announcers that cuss and stuff, man, like how much better it would be. Dude, I think we should tell the NFL that they should redo the Thursday night broadcast.
01:11:09
Speaker
make it a mature broadcast that way the announcers can cuss have me and you do it will liven up the games because usually those games suck anyway so like let us do it we got this i think if they really want to save thursday night football they should just yeah you're right they should just make it like thursday night is man's night i think that you got guys cussing knocking back beers in the announce booth no unnecessary roughness penalties right like we're taking it back to 1991
01:11:37
Speaker
Taking it back to 1991 with the hits on the receivers and stuff anything goes on trash talk and celebrations and And no punting or field goals allowed. It's just straight up four
Season Conclusion & Offseason Plans
01:11:47
Speaker
downs fucking touchdowns and two-point conversions Let's go who's voting no on that man
01:11:52
Speaker
I'm pretty sure every quarterback in the league is voting no on unnecessary roughness being okay. But it would be awesome for the fans. I'm trying, I'm trying to make it, uh, you know, like NFL blitz, the league where that game from a while back, just have the stretchers on hand because, uh, somebody's going out on one. No, we don't need it, dude. Cause it's going to be anything goes with the painkillers. Also, dude, we're going to fucking light a cane on fucking ID drip on the sidelines, man. You know, who's going to be excited is fucking Sean Payton.
01:12:22
Speaker
Broncos every single game will be Thursday night football. All right, Jordan, hit us with some closing thoughts and we'll get out of here, man. Man, another football season in the books first for us. Again, thanks for all the support. Enjoy your off seasons and yeah, let us know if you want to hear anything.
01:12:46
Speaker
Bushlight on the ice Titans on the tube Zapper popping flies out here in the booms I'm going nowhere Yeah, I know the mountain's got the snow Cali's got the beach Memphis got the soil Atlanta's got the beach But, y'all, I'm going nowhere
01:13:15
Speaker
Cuz I'm stuck in this town in my truck Ridin' round with a plug of bone Cut in my lip, you'd have to cut The whole tree down, can't rip these roots out the ground They're gettin' out and I don't care, cuz why in the hell would I leave? I don't need anything But fried chicken and crickets, if there's a yellow pine box You can carry me in, if this red dirt you can bury