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Goal Line: Bracket Busters
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The boys have a heated argument about the likely College Football Playoff bracket before moving on to all the latest in the NFL.
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Thanksgiving Recap and Recording from Texas
00:00:13
Speaker
What is up goal line listeners? We are back with another episode of the goal line football show. ah Jordan, what's going on, man? Not too much, man. Just coming off this Thanksgiving weekend. It was busy, had a lot of shit going on. So yeah, man, it was good. How was yours?
00:00:30
Speaker
It was good, man. You know, this is a little bit of a December tradition now, dude. I'm recording from Texas. It was December last year when I i had to come down to Texas for work and we recorded one episode. So we got like one Lone Star edition of the the podcast every year. Hell yeah. That's a horse going to have to make this tradition tradition every year. You go to Texas for a week every December.
00:00:51
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um Yeah, so I am recording in a hotel room internet's pretty good. There may be some new ambient noise I think I believe there's some sort of little yippie dog a couple doors down that you guys may pick up in the background from time to time but other than that, I think we're all set on the the technical front. Appreciate everybody migrating over strictly to the the chick Foley
Audience Migration to Chick Foley Show
00:01:12
Speaker
show feed. I was monitoring the analytics closely and it looked like if anything, we got a little bump. I think maybe switching our hosting platform may have kind of bumped us up some of the algorithms on the the different hosting sites. So appreciate everybody coming over. If you're a new time listener, welcome aboard. Longtime listeners, you know we love you guys. Jordan, you ready to talk football? Let's do it.
Frustrations with Huskers and Falcons
00:01:39
Speaker
All right. I'm just going to lump my two teams in together where well I'm not even talking about them individually because it' it's too much for me to break down both games. Huskers and Falcons both put up two of the best defensive efforts. They're going to put up all season and both lose because their offense is incompetent. I just, dude, the Falcons gave up 170 yards.
00:02:01
Speaker
the Huskers gave up somewhere around there and other than a 70 yard play, they gave up like 60 yards, like just fucking unacceptable for both of these games to be losses. Huskers won. I mean, I get it. It's playing at Iowa. It's a rivalry game. It came down to the end. I mean, those games always come down to the end. Unfortunately, the Huskers usually lose, but I mean, it is what it is. Falcons game pissed me off, dude. It just, the Chargers didn't score an offensive touchdown cousins through a pick six along with three other picks. The one that he threw in the end zone was one of the, that possibly was the worst interception I've ever seen anyone throw.
00:02:39
Speaker
I don't even know what he was I feel like I mean that's saying a lot cuz Desmond Ritter threw some absolutely nightmares This was worse than anything Desmond Ritter ever did there was nothing I didn't check I didn't check any of the postgame coverage on this man Did did he have any sort of explanation for what happened on that play? No, they just fucking yeah Yeah. It was like, if you didn't see it, he, you know, the Falcons had a pretty nice drive going down in the red zone, a touchdown, you know, really, really helps them out big time. They need points and he kind of scrambled steps up in the pocket and just, I mean, lunch is this absolute just lollipop of a throw. thrown it any softer. It's the way I would toss it to the, we had, we had two four-year-olds on the, the flag football team this season. And I would always, you know, especially though it was soft when I was throwing to those kids, when we're kind of warming up to start to practice, that's the way I would throw to the four-year-olds man. And he served that up on a silver platter to a damn good Chargers defense. Launch was definitely a ah way to describe it. That's not what I would describe it as. I would more, he flailed the ball out there.
00:03:38
Speaker
I seriously have seen that play like 10 times and I have no idea what he was even like a brain fart or something. The worst part about that play is if he just dumps it to Bijon, he probably fucking scores and Bijon's right in front of him. Like he's running right across his face and instead just fucking lofted the ball into the end zone.
00:03:57
Speaker
I don't know, man. I said it a couple of weeks ago, I did not think this team was as good as a record and now they're showing it. they right dude this I've lost all, I've sold off all my stock and the 2024 Falcons, like, you know, there's still a pretty good shot that they're going to win the NFC South, which I think that says more about the NFC South than it does the Falcons. But like, dude, if you're another NFC team, I think you're, you're rooting for the
Falcons' NFC South Prospects
00:04:19
Speaker
Falcons, dude. I would much rather see the Falcons in the playoffs and have to go down to Tampa and play, and play Baker and and the Bucks, man. Oh, a hundred percent.
00:04:26
Speaker
yeah Yeah, it's great. It's weird because the Falcons swept them but at this point in the season they seem they they just seem much more lively They're a tougher out, you know, I mean the Falcons seem like they just seem like they'll lay down on you, dude I don't see a lot of grit on this team. The worst part is they have a good enough team like I I I just don't understand giving, not giving PENEX a drive in this game. Like, dude, I get the, you don't want to bench your starter. There's no way Kurt cousins thought he was playing good football on Sunday. There's just no fucking way. And this is what I talked about before the season. This is why I don't like Raheem Morris, the dude
00:05:02
Speaker
It's just going to stick with whatever he's not going to change. It's just, that's one of it was his biggest fault when he was in Tampa and it's his biggest fall. Now he's not going to change anything. He's a, he's a player's coach. And part of that is being loyal to to your guys. You know, I think that's a, I think he feels, maybe he feels like he'd lose a little something if, if he kind of, you know, made the
Kirk Cousins and Raheem Morris Critique
00:05:21
Speaker
swap and put Phoenix in there. but I don't know how good he'd be. He definitely couldn't be any worse than what we saw on Sunday. And like I said, man, I'm bum'm saying this, dude, because, you know, after the first six weeks of the season, the Falcons were looking tough, man. You know, they had good losses, right? If we're going to use the yeah college football terms, they lost a close one to the the chiefs and a close one to a Steelers team that I don't think we really realized how good they were when the Falcons lost that game, played them pretty tough back in the opener. um And, you know, Kirk Cousins had that some some awesome prime time performances. They swept the Bucks.
00:05:51
Speaker
but there's just absolutely no momentum, no juice whatsoever to this Falcon squad right now. They're not good, man. And it's just, I don't know, man, just moving forward. The problem is, is like anybody on their schedule can beat them at this point. I mean, they could lose anybody. Do they play. So they got the Vikings this week. Then they got the Raiders, which sets the game. I'll be at duty.
00:06:17
Speaker
I mean, I'm not saying the Raiders shouldn't try to win. They definitely should, but also on the same hand, the Raiders should not be trying to win football games right now. Like they need everything they can get and they need the highest pick. I seriously think should do or ends up in Vegas. I, I just don't see a way that that doesn't happen at this point.
00:06:36
Speaker
Yeah, I could, I could totally see that man. That seems like a Raiders kind of move for sure. Okay. Let's move on from my shitty teams and go to, we'll talk about the vols first, uh, started out really shaky, but, um, rebounded really nicely and got a nice one against Vanderbilt.
00:06:51
Speaker
I mean, there's really not a whole lot to break down yeah outside of the first 10 minutes. They pretty much dominated, man. they They played really well. It was one of the few noon kickoffs they've had all season. So I think they were just slow start and miss low getting out of the blocks on, on Saturday. Okay. Let's go to your other team. Call me crazy. But I think the Titans beat the commanders was the famous last words of Seth about this game last week. Yeah. It was surprising.
00:07:18
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It was a for the defense really let the Titans down, man.
Titans vs Commanders Game Analysis
00:07:21
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The defensive and kicking ass all season, dude, but they just absolutely got some of the defense and special teams did not play good at all. Um, end of the day, it's still a win. If you're playing the long game, cause that it helps out the draft positioning and we'll let us had another solid game. And so, you know, if it, I'm not ready to say will Levis is the future, but I think at a minimum he's earned himself another season as long as he keeps this going, uh, through the last month. So I wasn't, I, Really it was just it was a horrible start off defense before they kind of just you know Steadied themselves after getting just free that you know Solid a chin check there in the first quarter and then a couple special teams mishaps man like that We got to get a new kick returner dude just dudes fumble it like every other game our our kick returners fumbling on ah Kickoffs man, and you just that's one of the most devastating plays in football
00:08:06
Speaker
The last four games I heard this on Sunday, the last four games of the Titans, uh, they're rushing attack dude, Tony Pollard in the last four games. So this week he had eight carries for 35 yards. That ain't going to cut it. Houston game. He played really well. He had 24 carries for 119. The previous previous two games, he had nine carries for 15 yards and nine carries for 44 Titans cannot win football games if they can't run the ball. There's.
00:08:32
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There's no way. And the problem is they're getting off to bad starts and falling behind. And, you know, I think the coaching staff is feeling a little bit of panic mode and they just, they basically go to, you know, the catch up football, the whole, the whole last three quarters. And that that's got so many trickle down effects, right? Cause your old one is already shaky. That's letting the defense just pin their ears back and go after your quarterback. And it's not doing your quarterback any favors. Cause we'll have us at this point in his career, he's not a guy you need to have throwing the ball 40, 50 times a game. He needs strong running attack that he can play off of. He's in play action, missed in.
00:09:02
Speaker
Um, so, you know, the Titans aren't a team that can weather a lot of adversity right now. And these bad starts are just basically killing them before they even get a chance to get off the ground on on a lot of these games weekend and week out. Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about some college football.
00:09:17
Speaker
There's not really any games that I feel like we need to go in deep on from last week. I mean, there's really nothing that stood out to me from last week. Um, but I do want to talk about, I didn't mention this last week cause I didn't see it until this week, but going into last weekend's games and ah this is, has Heisman talk. That's why I'm bringing this up going into last weekend's game.
00:09:42
Speaker
leading rushers in FBS this year. Ashton Gente had 2,062 yards rushing for the season. The number two back, Ashton Gente after contact 1,512 yards. That's a solid stat, man. Dude, 1,512 yards after contact is insane.
00:10:05
Speaker
Yeah, he's a beast man. um It's going to come down to Amber Travis Hunter and I would definitely think Travis Hunter is going to win it, but yeah. Salute to Gente. He's had an awesome season. Love love the dude's kind of kind of funky stance, man. I can already see high school kids across the country are going to be emulating that come next season, driving their coaches crazy.
00:10:25
Speaker
um But dude, Travis Hunter's doing something we haven't seen before, man. it's He gets a ton of press, but I still feel like he almost is not getting enough attention for the season that he's had really the last two years, man. ah Think about Charles Woodson. In 98, he wins the Heisman, which I still think is one of the all-time like highway robbery moments in sports that that he got that Heisman over Peyton Manning. But still, you know he had a great season. Michigan Wolverines were undefeated.
00:10:49
Speaker
Dude, he was playing, he was ah obviously an absolute lockdown corner, one of the greatest to ever do it. um But he really got it because of the the triple threat, right the defense, offense, and special teams. Dude was only playing 12 to 15 plays a game on offense, though. Travis Hunter is legit going Iron Man. like You see it like small schools in high school, man. Almost every single down, ah offense and defense. um I think dude definitely deserves the Heisman. I don't think it's particularly close what we know with all due respect to Ashton Ginty. No, I don't think so either.
00:11:18
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still the biggest
Travis Hunter's Unique Performance
00:11:19
Speaker
robbery ever for Heisman. This, this goes back to Nebraska is, uh, and Dom will consume not winning at his senior year. That was like the most dominant defensive season I've ever seen in my life. Like it was a beast. He just single handedly wrecked games. And I didn't feel like that year was incredibly stacked. Anyway, Ingram won it that year, but was that the 2007, that was 2010, 2009, 2009. Yeah.
00:11:43
Speaker
And Mark Ingram dude, like Alabama running backs, like they're running behind NFL offensive lines, man. I mean, well he was a really good college running back, but like, you know, I feel like Derek Henry is only one of those guys who was really truly like the best player in college football. Yeah, I agree. um Okay.
College Football Playoff Rankings Discussion
00:11:58
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Let's talk about the playoffs. Playoff rankings came out today. Obviously we're doing this on Tuesday rather than Monday. So we get the distinction of getting to talk about college football playoffs. I'll just go down the list and we'll just, we'll discuss it after.
00:12:10
Speaker
So Oregon stayed at one. No surprise there. Texas at two. You mean Oregon? Oh, sorry. Oregon at one. What did I say? You said Oregon State. Oh, sorry. Oh, yeah I've no inner mind. He said Oregon stayed. Oh, yeah, I said Oregon State. Okay, I heard I heard Oregon state, damn, the beavers jumped up the number one. Texas is at two Penn state at three. This is the college football playoff rankings. I'm yeah i'm not going by what they see. Penn state's three Notre Dame's four, Georgia's five, Ohio state's six, Tennessee seven, SMU eight, Indiana nine, Boise state 10, Alabama 11, and Arizona state's 15. So
00:12:48
Speaker
If this is what it would look like, Oregon obviously gets the one seed in a buy. Texas would get the two and get a buy. SMU right now is the three seed with a buy. And Boise boise State is the four seed with a buy. So then your first round matchups would look like this. You would have Arizona State going to Penn State. You would have Tennessee going to Ohio State. You would have Alabama kicking the dog shit out of Notre Dame. And you would have Indiana getting pounced by Georgia by probably 50.
00:13:19
Speaker
I mean, I'm going to be honest, I don't have a whole lot of issues with with anything on this list. I kind of understand everything. And to be completely honest, this is basically set at this point. I mean, the only teams that can fall out is Arizona State, um obviously Boise State, and then SMU. Everything else is pretty well set at this point.
00:13:38
Speaker
And yes, well so we could have Penn State and Oregon could swap spots, right? Drop Oregon to the five seed and Penn State would pinn state would go to the the one seed most likely. And well if if Texas wins the SEC, they would. Yeah, maybe Texas would be one. But I think that's the only three teams that even have a shot at the one seed. And then Texas and Georgia could drop. jet Texas would be hosting a first round game and Georgia would would get the bye, right? Correct. Yeah.
00:14:02
Speaker
yeah I like that. i like i don't i wasn't a i you know i don't I think it kind of just conveniently worked out that way. I wasn't going to be a fan of a team that was was slated to be in getting penalized for losing a conference championship game. that That would set a bad precedent. Yeah. It's going to be interesting, though. If you're an Alabama fan, you need SMU to win. like SMU losing would be bad news for Alabama, I think.
00:14:26
Speaker
i Cause Clemson automatically gets in then and I don't know how you leave an 11 and two SMU team out the way they've played this year. So this is good. This has potential to be a complete disaster. Also Boise State. So SMU, do you take the dive, man? And if if you like the chances that could be, you take the dive to keep Alabama out of there. Cause dude, Alabama is dangerous, man. I hate to say it as a Vols fan, dude. like Alabama could 100% has a very, very realistic shot of winning this whole thing. If they get in as it up and down as they've been this year, they could totally string it together for, for four games. I agree. Look at what they'd have to, what they'd have to face. They'd have to go to Notre Dame. Um, I'm pretty sure Alabama could
00:15:04
Speaker
probably beat Notre Dame. um Then they would go to SMU. I'm positive Bama would crush SMU. Then they would get the winner of presumably Texas and Georgia. So I mean, that's your game right there. And then the top half of it would look like so I got a Penn State would probably be favored by I don't know, 10 over Arizona State. Dude, Arizona State, having to go to Happy Valley in December would be a fucking disaster for them. Now, Iowa State, if Iowa State beats Arizona State, they get that last spot, right? Well, I mean, either way, whoever's got to go into Penn State in December at Happy Valley is not in a good split. But just to be clear, that that big 12 championship game is basically a playoff game, right? Is there any way Ohio State wins that game and doesn't make the playoff?
00:15:49
Speaker
Iowa State. No, no, no. Whoever wins that game and gets that playoff spot. Okay. they And they'll most more than like, they're going to be the 12 seed. Yeah. Because they're too, rank too low. um Tennessee and Ohio State is an interesting one.
00:16:04
Speaker
Dude, I just don't think Ohio State is as bad as what they played on Saturday. I don't know. Yeah, there's definitely some recency bias. They've been a strong team. They a beat Penn State. They played Oregon. A couple of balances a different direction. They probably beat Oregon. um I agree. i was shittting I was a little bit hot um you know when i saw when I got to my hotel room tonight, like right after the rankings came out. And I saw that Tennessee was going to be hosting them, because if you look at the polls, everything looked like look like Tennessee would would you know most likely be hosting Ohio State. ah So that was kind of a bummer. you know I think it really may be a blessing in disguise, because I was getting very, very itchy to end up taking the fam. I already had Sheena on board with us going to Nalen for the game. yeah So you know the committee probably saved me at at a minimum $2,000 off of ah ah of swapping these two teams around.
00:16:54
Speaker
Yeah. Cause I just don't see, I mean, seriously, Tennessee, Ohio state and Bama Notre Dame. I don't think any of those teams are changing their position no matter what happens this weekend. I mean,
00:17:07
Speaker
Yeah, because nobody's going to drop down below them. There's no way they're really going to move up either, man. I'm with you, man. I don't see unless Penn State gets beat by 90 or something like that. I don't see any way that that this is going to stay. I wouldn't matter anyway, because because I mean Penn State's still going to get a top 10 seed even if they lose by 90. Right, but I'm saying they could drop down below Tennessee and end up, you know, you'd end up having swapping out who's getting home games or not, man.
00:17:30
Speaker
Yeah, I just I don't see this changing much. I think this is where it's kind of going to be at. I mean, Penn State, even if they lose, they're going to be an 11 and two team with losses to Ohio State and Oregon. Like, how far can you fucking drop them down? Like, I think only thing that's going to I think is changing is is some seeding stuff. um You know, if Clemson beat SMU, that's the big wild card man. But for the most part, I think we're just going to see some seeds change um after seeing how I shook out, man. What do you think of kind of the the format and the parameters and stuff for the bracket after the first year of this? It's good. I like it. I don't like the automatic bids, man. I i like i i don't like them getting the top four seeds, right? I'm cool with them getting the automatic bids, getting a a ticket to the dance. I'd rather see the four best teams in the in the country get them because the way it is now, man, the du the the path is so freaking out of whack, man. like the
00:18:21
Speaker
Like so Tennessee, you know, they're the 90 they're gonna have to beat Ohio State who is number two in the nation last week And then if they win that they're gonna have to go and play the number one team Oregon man, like it's uh, I just don't think this It's not fair man. It's just not fair at all. Whereas you got Alabama could beat Notre Dame and then beat smu and they're in the final four man the problem is they They wanted the power four conferences to get by weeks, no matter what. that that We don't have four power conferences anymore. We have two power conferences. I would argue we have one and a half power conferences, man. I know, but they're not going to drop the ACC and big 12 out of it. Now, Boise State playing as well as they did this year kind of threw a wrench in it because they're going to get a buy assuming they win. Penn State's path, dude. Penn State's gonna get the host either, assuming, you know, everything holds, dude. Penn State's gonna get the host, Arizona State, and then go play Boise State at a neutral site, which, you know, I'm a fan of Boise State and what they're doing, but come on, dude. Yeah, it's...
00:19:21
Speaker
yeah I mean, the five seed is the spot to be in. I feel like you're almost better off being in the five seed than you are getting one of the bids. Because look at Oregon. Oregon's number one. They're going to be catching Tennessee or Ohio State at a neutral site, dude. Yeah, neither one of those are easy games, man. I mean, I'd probably pick Oregon to win either one of those games. But you're going to be feeling it, man. You're going to remember that game the week after. You're not coming out of that unscathed. And Texas is going to end up getting Georgia, which I mean, that is what it is. Georgia's the seventh seed. So it is what it is. I get that. I just think they wanted to avoid like one conference getting two or three by, you know what I mean? We end up having the SEC have all four by. I mean, if Ohio State beats Michigan, there's a fucking real chance that the big 10 could have got three of the top four seeds, like I guess. And I don't think that would have been good for the college football playoff at all. So
00:20:12
Speaker
Yeah. they're at or some fault If you ask me, man, if they, if they let me go, president Jack Tony on this for next season, I'm getting rid of the buys. I'm just expanded to 16 teams and we're going straight seating, dude. Six, the top 16 teams get in no buys and, uh, and go from there. They ain't switching it, dude. we werere We're a ways away from moving from 12 up. Like they're going to try this for a couple of years and see how it goes. I think.
00:20:35
Speaker
I bet, I'm willing to bet they make at least some minor tweaks on how they do the seeding and stuff. I mean, it's possible, but I don't think they'll get rid of the buys. Like I just don't think they're going to move to 16 teams. See, I don't think it's fair. note Notre Dame never has a shot at getting a buy. They could be, they could go, their own Notre Dame could go undefeated and be the, the number five seed. Well, that's what you get for not wanting to play in a conference. Whose fault is that? Look at the schedule they played this year. Like when you're not a conference aligned team, this is the, I mean, dude, they could easily go to the ACC and win that conference every year. Could they not?
00:21:05
Speaker
Yeah, most likely. I just, that's, that's my thing for them. I mean, dude, you're not in a conference. This is just part of the worst part of the not being in a conference. Uh, you have any more to talk about for college football or do you want to move on to some NFL?
00:21:19
Speaker
Uh, I just, I'm, so I'm still a little salty that Ohio state's bum ass is above Tennessee, man. Like, I just feel like Tennessee, ah there's, I don't see, there's no metric that shows that Ohio state had a better resume than Tennessee, man. I think to me, I think there was some old school backroom college football politics between the sec and the big 10 that, Hey,
00:21:37
Speaker
Let's get Alabama in here safe in exchange for that. We're going to let Ohio, we'll flip-flop Ohio State and Tennessee and let Ohio State get the ah the home playoff game. man i shall do even They had the committee guy like interviewing him and he didn't have a solid answer. He was just like, oh you know, we looked at both things and it was a close vote. And that was the end of the explanation for how even though the coaches poll and the AP poll has Tennessee higher.
00:21:57
Speaker
and you know SEC teams are getting dropped damn near 10 spots in the rankings very losing games Ohio State loses at home to a 20-point underdog and drops what four places like it it makes no sense It's really tough and I looked at somebody kind of break down. Everybody's like resume I mean the problem for Tennessee is that Arkansas loss looks bad now I mean it's a six and six is losing to arc is losing to a six and five Arkansas team on the road worse than losing to a six and five Michigan team at home and ah
00:22:28
Speaker
see i And if they've been going off the, what have you done for me lately all year long? So why did we wait till the last week to say, Oh, we're going to look at the entirety of the season now where teams have been getting freaking rocked off of these losses at Georgia dropped 10 spots um after after losing, ah you know, their second game, man. I just, I mean, i dude dude, I get what you're saying, but like, if you go off just the rankings, like Ohio State's wins are more impressive than Tennessee's. If you just go off what the college football playoff just released today, like they have better wins than Tennessee does. I mean, Alabama is Tennessee's only ranked win right now. If you look at the playoff committee today, that's their only right now.
00:23:10
Speaker
Fair enough. Dude, uh, Ohio state lost at Oregon by one point beat Penn state by seven at Penn state and then kicked the shit out of Indiana, which still I'm glad Indiana is getting in. They're getting murdered though. Like there's zero chance they're beating any sec team. I'm in full agreement with you on that. Like they're getting, I just,
00:23:30
Speaker
I think the, uh, I think the Alabama win was a lot more impressive than the Penn state win for, for comparing each team's best victory, man. Like if your, if your family's life's on the line, which team are you taking into battle Penn state or Alabama? No, I'm not saying I don't agree with that. I'm just saying if, if what they say is true and they're going off teams that you beat, that's in the final selection committee poll. That's why Ohio state is ranked higher than Tennessee. That's all I'm saying.
00:23:56
Speaker
I need to hear you say Tennessee got fucked before we move on from this segment. care i did I can't let it go. Dude, they lost a fucking Arkansas. They should have fucking won that game. That was a fucking war. We're just gonna have dead air, dude. That's fine. Let's fucking dead air it up and see how many listeners we get.
00:24:11
Speaker
i leave I need to hear you purse those little lips together and say Tennessee got fucked. but I don't think they got fucked though. Like, I don't think anybody got fucked. Like, I mean, dude, there's arguments to be made for South Carolina and Ole Miss getting left out. But at the end of the day, like, dude, you really think the fucking playoff committee is choosing Ole Miss or South Carolina over Alabama? It's just... No, dude. But i think I do think the playoff committee just willfully chose Ohio State should get the home game, man. They should be playing in Tennessee, dude. It should be a sea of orange. Rocky top should be blared, dude. But instead, we got to go up to lame ass Ohio State to play the suck eyes, man. Bro, you do realize that I've been bitching about the
00:24:56
Speaker
chokehold that Ohio State has on the NCAA for the last like 10 years. Like, I know, dude. And now when it's time, when now when it's time to freaking start putting, you know, stand on businessman and put, put words to action to your cave and saying, well, they had a quality win. Bro, I just admitted Ohio State has the fucking chokehold on the NCAA. There was no fucking way they weren't getting a home game out of this. Like it's dude, the NCAA is who you have to fucking blame, not fucking me.
00:25:22
Speaker
I don't blame you. I just want to hear you admit that Tennessee got fucked. They didn't get fucked. They got fucked on. I think Ohio State and Tennessee both got fucked having to play in that eight, nine game. That's beyond ridiculous. Yeah. There's no way. That's probably a better argument. Yeah. There's no way those two teams should be playing in the eight, nine game. I'm sorry. That's fucking. Maybe if SM. Yeah. And I don't think they'll drop SMU that far down. I don't know. I just, I really wanted. SMU's already behind both of them. So if SMU loses, it ain't going to fucking change anything.
00:25:51
Speaker
Uh, yeah, but it doesn't matter because whoever gets that, whoever bumps into the three seed behind him. Yeah. All right. Cool, man. Uh, anything else on, uh, on this weekend football? Yeah. Motherfucker. We just talked about college. We got to go into NFL. All right. Let's go. That was, that was a heated discussion, man. You actually got, most time I'm cool, calm and collected. You actually got me a little bit fired up though, man. so What's next on the dock? All right, let's talk about the Thanksgiving games first game was Detroit in Chicago first very entertaining game first half Like it was gonna be an absolute massacre in a runaway Did I told you what it was the last thing that I said last Monday? I go dude Detroit on Thanksgiving always worries me They get they should have lost this one probably man at least should have gone to overtime They get a little bit of that shitty Detroit football and I'm on Thanksgiving. And when the first half was over, I was like, Oh God, they're going to steamroll Chicago. Nevermind. They figured it out. And then the second half started and it was like, Oh fuck, we are. Okay. The Williams looked like 96 John Elway out there, man. Yeah.
Chicago Bears' Game Management Criticism
00:26:51
Speaker
and It was, it was an entertaining game.
00:26:53
Speaker
If they wouldn't have fired you were flus after that game. I don't really wondered if Chicago was even committed to football anymore. I have no idea what happened. and do So he, you know, they have a timeout. They're down three in decent field goal range. ah You know, definitely makeable field goal range for an NFL kicker with 30 seconds left in a timeout. And somehow you run a hail Mary with four seconds left and with, you know, with just confusion and slow moving players in between. It's like,
00:27:20
Speaker
I don't know if the quarterback was expecting the coach to call a timeout or coach was making the QB to call a timeout. no And there was just, they the he said after the game, Caleb Williams said after the game, the play that they, they were going to re-rack the same play from before. And the coverage that he saw with 11 seconds of the clock was not what he wanted. So he, he changed the play at the line. And then at that point, It's like Jesus Christ, dude, you're the fucking quarterback of the team. There's the coach and then there's you that that's the two highest ranking officials on your football team is your coach and your quarterback. If you don't like it, you've got a fucking timeout and you know that just call the fucking timeout at that point.
00:27:59
Speaker
I heard people making excuses for him being a rookie quarterback. I don't, dude, I give Caleb Williams like I, I give ever flu 51% of the blame pie, but Caleb Williams has got the whole other, other half of it, dude. He's got a gigantic chunk of this man. Like, especially if you're the number one draft pick, dude, it's not like you're a backup who's been, you know, scratching your ass and looking at a clipboard all week, dude. Like you got to be mentally going through these different situations, what you're going to do. And that was just the, you know, on Madden, his, when they do the updates for this week, his awareness reading needs to get dropped down to like 15 man. Cause that was just,
00:28:28
Speaker
The other thing too is he had been getting hit so much on that drive and that play before he had just gotten sacked and he got hit pretty fucking hard. Dude, it does not take a genius to realize that your quarterbacks probably rattled at that point. Take a fucking time out and give him a minute to catch his breath and figure out what the fuck is going on. Now granted, do I have any faith that Eber Flus would have called a good play on the next play? Absolutely. Fucking out. They probably would have tried to shot though, dude.
00:28:56
Speaker
Yeah, because you got to, but you had plenty of time to run a play and then, you know, you wouldn't have even necessarily need to do the whole fire drill field goal, dude. Like you need to, you'd need to move with a purpose, but you would have had time. It wouldn't have been like a sprint set up, snap it, right? You would have had time to get out there and half-assed get set up before you got to snap the ball for the kick. um Yeah, they would have had over 20 seconds to kick the field goal.
00:29:18
Speaker
Yeah, he took his team's ability to keep fighting away, man. And just, yeah, you got to hate it because it did. There's no saving and face on that. You're the only game happening on national TV on Thanksgiving. So just think like all his friends and family and past colleagues got to see it. It's not like, you know, if if you get fired at the end of the season, you can kind of play it off sugarcoat it like, hey, you know, talk with the ownership. They're just wanting to move in a different direction. Like, no, this is like, bro, we saw you fuck up big time at your job and now you got fired because of it.
00:29:46
Speaker
Yeah, it's not a good look for him at all. And thankfully for Bears fans, he got fired. These guys were talking about them. The Bears running the table now. And I'm like, dude, this is still not a good football team. You guys are on drugs. They're scrappy, but they still got... Oh, that's horrible, man. I don't know if it's the players or the scheme or what. It's just, dude, Caleb Williams is running for his damn life almost every time he drops back. Yeah, they're not running the table. Everybody just fucking relax.
00:30:10
Speaker
Uh, game two was Cowboys and Giants. This actually was an entertaining game. Even though the outcome was never in doubt, it was still an entertaining game. Yeah. Fun game. That's really all I got to say about that. And then a night game Packers and dolphins. I mean, it was exactly what business man. Yeah. The dolphins were never going to win that game to a look at freezing cold. Yeah. balls strong and
00:30:35
Speaker
How in the fuck does the Dolphins front office keep running the same team back? This team is not tough enough to win in cold weather. Like,
Dolphins' Cold Weather Struggles
00:30:42
Speaker
what are you doing? Like, I mean, they're already committed. They gave Tua a contract. They're paying Tyree Kill. Like, this is what if they're gonna be, man. But it's not just Tua, though. Like, dude, it's the entire fucking team. They're just soft as shit when it gets cold outside. I just...
00:30:54
Speaker
They got soft players and they play a super finesse style of football, man. like which today They're an August, September team. They're not built for November and December at all in any way, shape, or form. The the players they have, the scheme that they run, it's not built for for when the you know when when the leaves turn brown during football season.
00:31:13
Speaker
Yeah, they're not in a good place. um The next day we had the Black Friday game. I did not like this at all. I i just did not like the... I don't know, dude. I always just think of college football as Black Friday. like yeah i dont know like did do they they They get greedy, man. like i don't know we We don't need a Black Friday game. but You know, Black Friday, the Chiefs are up to more of their black magic, dude. I swear, man, this team gets in a Satan circle. They got to sit the freakin', you know, the the devil star where they got witches flying around. I think Andy Reid is like burning pages of the playbook in this the satanic fire. Like, there's no other way to explain all the times this team has straight up snatched victory from the jaws of the defeat so far this season.
Kansas City's Odd Season
00:31:54
Speaker
I am not surprised at all that this happened. I literally called it. I'm like, the Raiders are going to fuck this up. There's no way they're not going to fuck this up. The way they fucked it up was not what I was thinking, but I don't know, man. Kansas city is a weird team, dude. It just, it looks so uninspired every week. I mean, Crosby was in my home face that entire game. I just I don't know, man. They're a weird football team. I mean, yeah, they're 11 and one. a true I think we had a true passing of the torch moment, man, with Brock Bowers taking the tight end heavyweight championship belt from Travis Kelsey. That dude is such a stud, man. like The Raiders have fucked up so much personnel-wise over the last 15, hell, really 20 years, man, um ever since Gruden left the first time. But one thing they got right was drafting Brock Bowers, man. What a stud. Dude, don't you remember when there was talk that they were going to pass on him because they had just drafted Michael Mayer last season? No, dude. He's positioned for... You can put him at slot receivers and he'll still be kicking ass. Dude, when you're showing out for the Raiders, you know you're a star. like you're yeah You're doing something, right?
00:32:58
Speaker
The Chiefs dude, I'm with you man. They're probably on paper. They're the worst 11 in one team ever I still got faith man between the whatever dark energy they got going for him. I think this team they're super they du They just they got the knack man when it gets to the high leverage situations They're gonna out execute the other teams man. The other team is gonna make some critical mistake and they're there to pounce on it um I still think they're going to the super bowl. Do what we'll get into it. We're going to do the playoff watch a new segment here later on. I'm, I am not flinching on my belief that the chiefs are going to pull off the three Pete this year.
00:33:32
Speaker
I mean, they're going to have to really show something on ah offense and the playoffs for me to believe it's going to happen. Their offense is just so bad, man. It's bizarre how bad it's been, dude. and some At some point, you got to think, like, what happened with Mahomes, man? Because he's, at this point, we've seen enough that he's not the same on Mahomes. He'll show you flashes every now and again, man. But, dude, it's still a numbers-based game, man. And the dude's numbers have just been, um they're nice they're like barely average quarterback play so far this season.
00:34:01
Speaker
Yeah. It's just, it's so weird watching this team and like every week I'm just like sitting there thinking, uh, eventually they'll just turn it on. But right I just don't know if they have it this year to just turn it on on offense. I just, it's a weird group of players. I think that's part of it. Just like their skilled position guys. It's just a weird group of players and yeah, maybe they don't, don't ever turn it on. And this is just the games they're going to play every week. I mean, so amongst, uh, players that have ah amongst players that have qualifying, uh, amount of passing attempts, packing my homes is 22nd of 31 and QB pass rating so far this year. You've got to caveat that, you know, pro football focus watches all the tape and puts everything into context. They still have him graded out as a top 10 QB for the season, but you know, whatever you think of QB rating, it' it's always definitely an accepted metric for how well a quarterback's playing. And he's 22nd out of 31 quarterbacks so far in a 2024.
00:34:58
Speaker
Yeah, again, I'm not going to count them out, but just, it does not look good. Um, Eagles just absolutely announced themselves as a threat this weekend. I mean, like I don't really need to talk about this too long, but that team is good and their defense is flying around the field. They had the Ravens just completely puzzled. Granted the Ravens could have won that game of Justin Tucker doesn't miss three field goals, but still, I mean, even if the eels would have lost that game, that wouldn't have taken anything away from what I think
Eagles' Performance and Playoff Potential
00:35:27
Speaker
about him. This team is really good. Dude, how long we talked about it last week, man, we both were kind of of the opinion. They stick with him. Harbaugh was asked about it after the game. He said he's still riding with Justin Tucker. How long do you let this go, dude? Cause there's going to be some close games, right? Baltimore.
00:35:43
Speaker
they They look awesome when they're on and clicking, but we've seen enough this year that we know they're they're probably going to have to go on the road to win in either Pittsburgh, Buffalo, or Kansas City at some point in this playoffs. I don't think they're blowing out any of those teams. It's going to come down to to you know extra points and field goals, man. At what point do you do you say, dude, we got we got to move on, man?
00:36:05
Speaker
Cause he could totally cost him a chance. It's a Super Bowl this year. That's a very real thing. I know these two players are not on the same level, but I'm just going to bring them up cause they're both field goal kickers. Him and young Hoku, like just watching them kick now, it doesn't even look like a good player. Let's give, let's put some respect on Kuu's name, dude. He's closer to Justin Tucker than you would think, man. Like, yeah, he's not Justin Tucker, but he is a damn good kicker.
00:36:25
Speaker
It's just a huge crazy slump so far this year. When a kicker gets the yips, there's just no turning it back, no matter how great they are. I mean, Justin Tucker is showing you that. It doesn't matter how great you are. I mean, dude, the dude is arguably a first ballad Hall of Famer and that might not even be arguable. Like, yeah, I mean, what he's- I think it's him and Venetaria for best kicker in NFL history. Yeah, it's just, it's insane.
00:36:45
Speaker
I don't know, man. Think about, ah remember we saw it with Jason Eland way back in the day with the Falcons. He was an awesome kicker for a long time he just with the Broncos. He bounced over with the Falcons, had a great first year, and then midway through that second year, that 2009 season, dude, he just went on an absolutely epic slump, and it lasted about three or four games, and the Falcons pulled the plug, and luckily he picked up Matt Bryant, who was just a godsend. He's another underrated all-time kicker. um But yeah, man. it's Like I said, dude, there's no, no there's nobody you're going to give a longer reach to than Justin Tucker. But even that being said, I feel like there's got to be some uncomfortable conversations being happening ah behind closed doors in Baltimore this week. I agree. Um, yeah. So Eagles, absolutely a threat. And the other impressive thing for the Eagles, dude, they haven't had Devontae Smith in like the last three games. Like what they're doing is impressive.
00:37:36
Speaker
And Saint Juan is an absolute monster. just Who would have thought him behind a great offensive line would work well? Who would have ever thought? I know, man. i mean We knew he was going to be a solid addition, but I thought he was going to be like a nice added piece. I didn't realize he was going to straight up like level up this offense like he has. dude he's going to fucking probably break the NFL record for rushing yards in a season. and yeah And then probably went MVP because of it. Like it's insane. Uh, Seahawks quietly seven and five. This team is playing good football, man. They play good defense. They can run the ball. Geno still has some magic. Geno's on, Geno's unflappable. Yeah. They see that. And that's not, you know, if they end up winning the NFC West, that's not going to be a fun place to go play on the road in the playoffs. No, that's not what you want is to fly clear across the country and go play the Seahawks That's not at all got one of the best home field advantages in the league. Yeah um Vikings just keep winning close games, dude It seems like this team has just been playing with fire for the last three years like they just yeah
00:38:34
Speaker
Yeah. That last year they made the playoffs with Kirk cousins where I think they were like 10 and one in one score games. They had that game that, that 2022 season, they had that one where they were down, you know, 39 points to the Colts and somehow came back and one, they had a crazy win against the bills and it's the same way, man. They're not, you know, they looked really, really strong, the, you know, the first four or five weeks of the season since then, it's just been, uh, you know, a bouncier fumble there. And luckily everything's coming up Vikings, man. I do think they're a good team.
00:38:58
Speaker
I'm really, you know, I'm, I'm not thinking they're much of a threat to go out on a real big run in the playoffs at this point though. Yeah, I agree. It's just, they're good, but there are, they great. Absolutely not. So I don't, I don't know. Uh, do you want to talk about any other teams from the weekend? If not, I'm going to go into tankathon. Let's go for it, dude. All right. Jacksonville two and 10 is still number one Vegas. Did you see, uh, Aziz I'll share, got a spitted three game. shit of dude That was a cheap hit.
00:39:27
Speaker
Yeah, that was ah that was a bad one, man. i i see I don't know how you get rid of that, dude, because defense players are always going to try to, you know, they're just trying to hit these guys, man. But dude i've always I've talked about hating that play before, where you try to try to get that last lick on the QB as he's sliding down. It's it's just it's so dumb, man. I mean, the ugly side of it is, dude, into the day, he knocked out Jacksonville's starting quarterback. And the Jaguars almost won that game. You figure, you know,
00:39:53
Speaker
If you're it doesn't take you don't got to squint that hard to to think, you know Maybe if Trevor once doesn't get knocked out, they probably win that game. So um You know, it's it was just an ugly play and then the reaction actors did it'd be one thing if he got up and you know Showed an ounce of
Jacksonville's Draft Pick Position
00:40:09
Speaker
remorse like, you know, like he felt bad or like shit, you know I wish that happened, but he was just the fire right? He's ready to fight the entire city of Jacksonville Yeah My other thing too is though, if if you're going to do something about that, about taking that out, dude, they have to start penalizing quarterbacks for the fake slide. I mean, you see it at least once a week, somebody's pulling a fake slide and then getting an extra 20 yards. Mahomes did it last week.
00:40:34
Speaker
I mean, dude, if you're really trying to take that hit out of the game, then you're going to have to penalize quarterbacks for doing a fake slide. I'd get slides out of the game, dude. I feel like slides are quick. Dude, how much safer is it sliding than it is to just you know put your shoulder down and kind of do like a forward dive? you know Michael Vick rarely slid, right? When Michael Vick would go down, he would kind of just like fall forward and fall down like that. I don't remember him really getting like blown up a whole lot on those kind of plays. I feel like that's way safer than like sliding and giving yourself up because you are straight up defenseless when you go into that slide. Yeah.
00:41:04
Speaker
I don't know what the solution is, but it's not good. Um, so yeah, Jacksonville, one, Vegas, two giants, three, new England, four, Carolina, five, jet six, Titan, seven, Cleveland, eight, Cincinnati, nine, and new Orleans, 10.
00:41:19
Speaker
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. Oh yeah, we didn't even talk about it. Jamis Winston roller coaster last night was an absolute fucking treat. The ultimate Jamis experience. You have 400 yards, four touchdowns. 500 yards. hit five He did click over 500. Yeah, so 500 yards, four touchdowns, three picks. Yeah, it was just Jamis. Two pick sixes. Oh, you got 497. So as close as you can get to 500 yards. Yeah, he keeps everybody in the game at all times. He does indeed.
00:41:48
Speaker
That's it for a weekly football talk. All right. We are retiring a uni watch with basically every single auction had already run through so far this season. If somebody breaks down something real special, we'll discuss it as it comes up, but we're replacing it with the playoff watch.
00:42:23
Speaker
yeah Gonna fly now gets all the glory. I really feel like going the distance is the superior Rocky song man That's the one that really kind of stirs the loins gets the emotions going. Yeah, I agree Excellent playoff song too. So let us know how you guys like that little taste of Rocky Balboa You want to go AFC or NFC first? Let's start with NFC All right, so NFC Lions are currently slated to get the, we have nobody's clinched the playoff spot yet. um And the Giants are the only team that's been eliminated so far. So we still got 15 teams in the hunt. Some of these teams are, you know, setting at less than 5% chance to make it, but they still got hope, which sometimes that's all you need. Nobody's clinched yet either. We got the Eagles and Lions both setting at a greater than 99% chance of making the playoffs though. So I think those are pretty safe bets. Right now Lions are sitting at the one seed, so they'll get the bye.
00:43:11
Speaker
They are only one game ahead of the Eagles though. So they got to keep the press on. Um, first round matchup. That's right now. Eagles and commanders in Philly. I think Eagles, I'm going to go Eagles as well.
Eagles and Lions Playoff Race
00:43:22
Speaker
Also to piggyback off what you just said, um, Eagles have a far easier schedule than the lions dude on the stretch. I mean, the Eagles still got Pittsburgh at home and then they got to go to Washington.
00:43:35
Speaker
But outside of that, they got Carolina, Dallas, and the Giants compared to the Lions got the minds still got the bills left on their schedule. They still got Green Bay this Thursday, then the bills, then at Chicago, then at San Francisco, and then Minnesota at home. So no easy games left. They got a tough schedule to go. Okay, go. ahead All right. Seahawks and Packers in Seattle. That's that's a fun game.
00:43:59
Speaker
Packers definitely been a better team, but they're still a fairly young team. and That's not an easy place to go play. I would probably, I think I think the Seahawks win that man. I would still take the Packers. I think I just, I have a little bit more trust in them. I feel like. Yeah, that could go either way. I just, I kind of like the Seahawks home field there. And then Falcons and Vikings in Atlanta. Massacre. Yeah, I think the Vikings win and I don't know if it'd be a massacre. You can't count out the Kirk Cousins revenge games, dude. That would be the ultimate Kirk Cousins. Stick it to him, dude. We know we know he gets motivated by shit like that. um So you can't discount that. That'd be a fun storyline game. But yeah, I think Vikings win. So for you second round, that would put Packers at Lions.
00:44:39
Speaker
ah I'm assuming you're rolling the Lions. Yeah, Lions. And then you would have Vikings and Eagles and Philly. Eagles. Yeah, so I end up with Philly and Detroit in the NFC Championship too, telling you, dude, I can see it from here. Philly's walking out of there, man. Detroit M&M is going to be crying, dude. He'll be writing a ah rap song about it on the way home. I don't i don't think Detroit gets the one seed. So i I think this game ends up happening in Philly. I just, I think Philly is just playing Detroit is still playing really good football, dude. There's 10 in a row is nothing. Yeah, these are great. Both these teams are awesome. You're probably the two best teams in the NFL right now. The problem is, is I think no shade to either team. If Philly gets home field advantage, I don't feel good about that for Detroit. Just playing outside as opposed to playing in the dome.
00:45:25
Speaker
I got a little bit more confidence. Jared Goff's ah a great QB, but I still got a little bit more confidence in Jalen Hurts, man, than than I do Jared Goff. at when the when When it gets to, you know, um that that type of game. I'm still going to go to Detroit right now because they would technically be the home team, so I would go to Detroit.
00:45:40
Speaker
All right. So Jordan's got Detroit. I got Philly. Um, you know, it's, uh, it's getting looking more and more like it's going to be one of those two teams coming out of the NFC, assuming everyone stays healthy. Let's move over to the AFC. So a little bit clear over here. We got two teams that have clinched and three teams eliminated. So Jordan, you know, off the top of your head, which three AFC teams are already eliminated from contention. I'm going to go quick. I'm going to guess it's the top three teams in the tankathon, Vegas, Jacksonville, and New England.
00:46:08
Speaker
Yep, that's right. du It's Raiders, Jags, Patriots, all already eliminated. Got, you know, a couple other teams set in the below. You got the Bengals, Browns, Jets, Titans all sitting at below 5% chance of making it. But hey, they're still alive. Like I said last week, Titans could do it. The Bengals are not alive. I can assure you they are not alive. they're Their defense is going to keep them not alive.
00:46:29
Speaker
Right now they have a 2% playoff probability. So in all in all the the multiverses out there, there's at least two of them where where the Bengals somehow find a path in, but it's looking beyond
Bengals' Playoff Chances
00:46:40
Speaker
shaky, man. They also have a 2% chance of getting a stop on defense.
00:46:45
Speaker
ah The Chiefs and the Bills have clinched already, but they're still obviously duking it out for the one seed. If it ended right now, Chiefs will be the one seed with the bye. You'd have the Bills and the Broncos in Buffalo. Broncos are playing really good football, but I'm still taking the Bills. Yeah, the Bills are on another level, but the Broncos are playing really well.
00:47:04
Speaker
Steelers and Ravens in Pittsburgh. I'm taking Steelers, man. I'm having a little bit less faith in the Ravens as the weeks go by. ah Maybe, you know, they can use this bye week, this super, super late bye week, which is a pretty, pretty nice little gift from the NFL schedule makers. Maybe use that to get right. But I'm taking Steelers as of right now.
00:47:20
Speaker
Bro, how in the fuck did the NFL fuck this schedule up so bad for this week? Look at the teams that are on by, and how many of those teams have like really important players for fantasy playoffs. Yeah, mostly this is the finale. band Ravens, Broncos, Texans, commanders, Colts, and Patriots. Are you shitting me right now? That's a shitload of players.
00:47:45
Speaker
I'm telling you, dude, I want him to go to my model, man. Week, you know, week nine, the entire NFC is on by week 10, the entire AFC is on by. We consolidate all the by weeks into two weeks and go from there, man. Why not? Okay, ah Raven Steelers.
00:48:01
Speaker
Dude, I still just don't trust the Steelers, is the problem. I don't trust the Ravens either, but I still don't trust the Steelers often. I know what's not to trust, dude. They play awesome defense. Dude, Russ just put up, like, one of his biggest passing games ever, man. They got a good, solid run game. Yeah, but who did they play? is great Okay, who did they play? The Bengals who cannot get a stop on defense. I get it, but still, man, there's other teams that have played the Bengals and haven't done that good against them, man. i I trust the Steelers, dude. I don't really like I'm not selling my Baltimore stock yet. Maybe in two weeks I will. but i um So you're saying Baltimore goes into Pittsburgh in the playoffs and gets the win? Yep. All right. Texans and Chargers in Houston. I think Chargers wreck them, dude. This Texas team is fraudulent with a capital F. I don't like the Chargers offense at all, though, dude. They are so bad offensively.
00:48:46
Speaker
They still got a lot of talent, dude. They got freaking Hebert and a whole lot of nobodies, man. But they got the best defense in the league right now, statistically. ah And I think that's going to carry them at least to the second round. So you would have the Ravens and the Chiefs in Kansas City. Chiefs. Yeah. I would have Chargers and Chiefs in Kansas City Chiefs. um And then I would have Bills and Steelers in Buffalo. I think the Bills get the win. You would have Bills and Chargers in Buffalo. I'm assuming you're taking Bills. Yes.
00:49:15
Speaker
So both got KC and Buffalo in KC. I'm taking KC, man. I'll go and tell you, I'm taking KC over Philly. As of right now, I'm taking KC over Philly, a rematch from two years ago, and Kansas City completes the three-peat. Dude.
00:49:30
Speaker
Buffalo is starting to look like a special team. Like they're good, man. Josh Allen's, I know, you but like, dude, like the last three years when me and you were both heavy on the bills, I never felt like they looked like this at any point. Like they just, they look like a completely different team. Now Allen's not turning the ball over, which is equating to wins.
00:49:52
Speaker
As of right now, I think I would take Buffalo over Kansas City. OK, so who you got Buffalo in Detroit then? I'm going to take Detroit. All right, so we'll see how long we stick with those. So just for the record, Jordan had Detroit over Buffalo. I have KC over Philly for our current Super Bowl picks. We'll keep this going through the end of the season and see how things change. You ready to get into our week 14 NFL picks, Jordan? Let's do it.
00:50:33
Speaker
real quick, because we didn't have our normal college segment. Lightning round. No, uh, no discussion. Just make your picks. Who wins the conference championship games? We'll start off with Mountain West, UNLV versus Boise State. Boise State. Same. Tulane versus Army for the American Athletic Championship. Tulane. Same. Iowa State versus Arizona State for the Big 12 Championship. Arizona State. Same. Georgia and Texas SEC Championship.
00:51:00
Speaker
Texas. I'm going Georgia, bro. I actually think Georgia is going to bend them over and spank them, dude. I mean, I think definitely. I don't got a lot of confidence in Texas, man. And Georgia is going to be pissed off after. I mean, they won, but that was basically like a loss as far as the perception goes with that game against Georgia Tech, Penn State and Oregon. Oregon. Yeah. I think Oregon boat racism, dude. And then SMU and Clemson.
00:51:27
Speaker
I don't love this Clemson team at all, but dude, it's Clemson and for some reason. I know, they get the pedigree. I'm kind of right there with you. I'm going SMU, man, but I feel shaky about it, just because the players are different, but you still know institutionally, they have the experience to go into these big games. Think about all the behind the scenes stuff, the logistics. I think it's going to be a smooth, more routine week for Clemson, whereas this is the biggest game, this is the biggest SMU football game in 40 years, man. Yeah, I'm going to go Clemson.
00:51:57
Speaker
All right. Uh, let's go NFL.
00:52:02
Speaker
Okay. Last week I went 14 and two, you went 12 and four. So that brings us to six wins for Seth four wins for Jordan and three ties. All right. Jordan's coming back, man. All right. Kicking off Thursday night football. We got another awesome game on Amazon Packers and lions in Detroit. I think Detroit wins this one, man. I'm going to go Detroit as well. Um,
00:52:26
Speaker
Yeah, if it was in green, but I probably would pick green, bay but yeah, Detroit at home full surf. It's, I think we got, I think this is going to be a really good game, man. Both these teams have had a week off, so it's not going to be the typical Thursday night game where you got teams kind of limping in, probably haven't installed as robust of a game plan as you would most weeks. Like I think this is going to be a fun one, man. We're due for a really good game. Yeah. Detroit's favorite, only favored by three also, which, you know, the traditional rule is a team gets three points for being home. So Vegas sees these teams is dead even, which is a little bit interesting to me. Yeah, I think that's about right.
00:52:56
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One of the toilet bowls of the week, Saints and Giants in New York. Jesus. I'll take the Saints, dude. Maybe Taysom Hill does something cool. Well, he can't do anything cool because he tore his ACL. Really? no Damn it, dude. How did I miss that? i see He's like one of my favorite, like, non-Titan players in the league. Yeah, you got hit in the knee and carted off and he's done for the year. That's horrible, dude. I'm going to Rollins as well, though, because I just don't think the Giants are good. They'll get revenge. They're going to win it for Taysom. All right. Browns and Steelers in Pittsburgh. Steelers.
00:53:28
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Yeah, I'm going to go Steelers, but it would be hilarious to see James stick it to Russell Wilson, but I just, as much as I love James. Yeah, I don't got the, I don't got the faith on this one, dude. He already did it once somehow. So anything's possible. All right. Falcons and Vikings in go Minnesota.
00:53:46
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I'm done with Atlanta. They're done. Minnesota. Yeah, I think Falcons. I think Vikings win also. Raiders and Bucks in Tampa. This is going to put the Raiders in first, or the Bucks in first place, dude. Yeah, I'm going Bucks. What a, what a horrible turn of events for the Falcons, man. Pretty normal. yeah Panthers and Eagles in Philly. and Philly's only a 12-point favor. That seems low. Carolina's been playing some pretty good football, man. But dude, this is going to be a massacre. yeah I'm going to Philadelphia in a wash of a game. Yeah, Titans and Jags. I'm assuming Trevor Lawrence is going to be out. That was a pretty ugly concussion he got. I think the Titans win this one in Nashville. I'm going Jacksonville.
00:54:32
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Really? You think Mack Jones is going to go into Nashville and get it done? Dude, I know Tennessee always plays hard. Like I get it, but I just, they're just not a good team though, man. They're they're not, Jacksonville is not good either. So don't take this as I'm saying Jacksonville is good, but I just, I don't have any faith in Tennessee right now.
00:54:52
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Yeah, they, they've had some decent performances, some games this year, but they're so up and down. You never know. Like they could play really tough against a good team and go out and lay a total egg and seem like the Jags. So I can't really crucify you for picking against them. But I still think they got a little bit of the arrows pointing a little bit further north for the Titan and the Jags at this point in the season. So I have a Titan did probably, I mean, it'd be for the best of the Jags one, but I just don't see it.
00:55:14
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um Jets and Dolphins in Miami. Dude, what ah what a depressing game, man. Two teams that had really high hopes coming into the season and, you know, the losers most likely gonna be, they're they're both really eliminated, but the losers probably gonna be mathematically eliminated off this one. I think Dolphins find a way to get it done. Yeah, I agree. I'm going Dolphins as well.
00:55:33
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really big game in the late window. This is going to be a fun one, man. These are two of the more entertaining teams to watch. Kyler and the Cardinals hosting Gino and the Seahawks in Arizona. seattle I think Seahawks win, dude. Yeah, I'm going to Seattle. I learned indeed i can't figure it out. There's some weeks where I feel like Kyler looks like one of the best five or six players in the league.
00:55:53
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but I still see him make some of just the most absolute boneheaded play sometimes. I don't know if it's cause he's doing so much on his, on his own. It's so much on his shoulders or, you know, maybe he's just too short and sometimes he's just not seeing shit down the field. Um, but I just can't really make up my mind where I'm at with, with Kyla Murray as a, he's definitely a good quarterback, but if he's like a straight up top tier quarterback, man, I think Carol, or I think, uh, Arizona's cooked. I just, I think they peaked and I think they're on the downhill slope now. All right. This season to be clear.
00:56:23
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Yeah. ah Bills and Rams in l LA. This is a sneaky tough game for the Bills, man. Bills are actually five point favorites. I'm a little bit surprised to see this. I think they win, but I don't think it's easy, man. I think the Rams are really going to make them work for this. Yeah. I'm going to go Bills as well. I just, I think they're a better team right now.
00:56:39
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Rams are still right there in the mix, man. That NFC West is going to be, is going to be a fun division to watch down the stretch. You get the Niners at five and seven Rams. Hold on. We don't need to talk about the Niners anymore. That team's dead, dead. Christian Capri didn't agree. They're literally, they're two games out in the first place. Five games to go. i or whatever Have you watched them the last month, the last month that we've just been watching football. They are not a good team.
00:57:02
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i'd like had a very i had a remind it the pack I'd like to remind you that this was Seth's game of the year. No chance San Francisco loses. They're going to destroy this team and they got wrecked by Arizona. like i I just don't think they're good, man. i It's okay that they're not good. I mean, dude, they've been on one of the best four year runs ever. like it's It's okay for them not to be good.
00:57:25
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I mean, there's still five and seven and the two games they lost, they lost a game ah to the Packers where they were starting a backup quarterback making his first start. And then they lost in the deep snow to the Bills in a game where they were looking pretty tough before Christian McCaffrey goes down with a knee injury in the second quarter, man. I agree. They're definitely a far cry for where they've been, but I think it's a little premature to stay there straight up dead in the water as far as staying alive in the NFC West goes, man. I mean, the Seahawks are seven and five, like there's If you told me the Niners finished, you know, can gain are going to make up two games on the Seahawks. Like there's no chance that happens. I got to, I got to pump the brakes a little bit, man.
00:58:02
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I just, I do not feel good about San Francisco at all right now. I agree. It's not looking good, but I just, I don't think it's, I don't think it's absolutely time to just, you know, go and close up shop for the the rest of the season on them. Yeah. I mean, I, I might be a little premature, but I just, you do hate the, you do know, it's like, dude, the injuries have just like piled up so much at this point though. like Yeah, it's not looking great. I agree. I mean, they lost both of their starting running backs in the same game. Like Jordan Mason and Christian McCaffrey both went out in the same game. Like their, their formula to winning is running the ball. And now you just lost your top two backs. Like it's, it's a problem.
00:58:41
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Yeah, I agree 100% all I'm just saying is just that they definitely still got a little bit of juice left for the division which brings us to our next game bears and Niners in San Francisco. I think the Niners winded I don't I don't think the bears are gonna get the interim boost man I think the Niners win this one to stay alive at least for another week I'm gonna go Chicago All right, Chargers and Chiefs in KC Sunday Night Football. It's a good one, dude. I think the Chargers win, man. I think the Chargers win to give the Bills some breathing room to grab that one seed in the AFC.
00:59:17
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That's funny that you said that cause I was going chargers as well. So now it makes me feel like I shouldn't go chargers. I mean, the chiefs could totally win this, right? We're going to feel like idiots on, uh, on Monday when, you know, Justin Hebert throws a ah pass that, uh, goes off of, you know, a dude's helmet and gets picked off on the, when they're driving down to kick a gimme field goal, man. Like the chiefs will pull a rabbit out of their hat some way, but charger is definitely the better team over the last month.
00:59:42
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You're just never going to call Justin Herbert the right name. Are you? It's just. He's Hebert, dude. That's he is from now on. He's in my mind. He's Hebert, dude, till he starts winning. We'll, we'll throw a hard R in his, uh, his last name and age, but they, uh, you know, you five years in the league, you haven't won a playoff game yet. You're Hebert. Okay.
01:00:00
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Who you going? So you going chargers? Yeah, I'm going chargers. All right. And last but not least, another depressing game, Monday night football, Bengals and Cowboys. I think the Bengals get it done. I think they, I just don't think the Cowboys will be able to keep up with them scoring wise, but who knows, man, the Bengals defense is definitely the cure for what Ales most NFL offenses. I'm going to go Cincinnati as well. Just If Dak was playing, I would have probably went Dallas, but not having Dak and playing Cooper Rush is not an ideal situation. Their season's already pretty much over. I think the Bengals should just give a treat to NFL fans and just go ahead and pre like prematurely announced like, Hey, we're not, we are not running the ball the rest of the season. Come watch our games. It's going to be a pass play every single play we're having. We don't care what happens on defense. Our
Bengals' Strategy and Missed Trades
01:00:47
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sole goal is just to score as many points as possible the rest of the way.
01:00:50
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This is the craziest numbers. This is sad that they're having the season. They're having to because these are the last few games that we're going to see. Burrow Higgins and Chase together because Higgins is gone for sure, I think.
01:01:03
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Yeah, I think if is you know before the season we talked that I kind of thought they should go the Colts the like the Peyton Manning Colts route of just continuing to double down on offense, right? Like continue to make your strength your strength and just get it unstoppable and then just do what you can via the draft on defense. um But dude, I think they've shown their defense is so bad off. It's got to be addressed because they're often it's I mean they've had one or two off games, but their offense for the most part really could not have played any better than it has so far this season and it's still not translating to wins.
01:01:33
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Yeah, I'm never gonna understand the not trading T Higgins thing. I just du they could have done it at the deadline and got some defensive players because somebody would have did it. And just, yeah, I just don't get it, man. I really just don't understand what, I mean, they went to one Superbowl out of this run with those three guys. It's going to go down as a disappointment to me. It's just but that yeah one made it to one Superbowl and lost one conference championship. And yeah, like I said, this year we're straight up smoking a prime year of, uh, Joe Burrow and Jamar Che. So hugely disappointing. so Before the season, I had asked you if the Bengals had a down year and not so great year. Do you think Zach Taylor gets fired? How about we readdress that now? Do you think Zach Taylor gets fired?
01:02:20
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Um, I think he deserves to get fired. Yeah. I don't know what the bangles will just cause the bangles don't like paying two coaches at once, but I think he, it's warranted man. The the trend that they've started with these horrible starts dude is really just bury them. This year it was beyond that. They never really bounced back from the horrible start and they never bounced back all the way.
01:02:37
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Um, but yeah, if i'm an owner i'm probably looking to go and make a change man because You're gonna we're going with a slightly different philosophy anyways because clearly we got to put some more juice on the defensive side of the ball It can't just be all offense and hope for the best on defense because we saw where that got us this year. Yeah, I agree All right, let's get two million dollar bets Okay
01:03:12
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All right, it was a very fruitful week for Jordan last week Jordan re recap the listeners on your two bets
Recap of NFL Betting Success
01:03:19
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that won Okay. So I did a Thanksgiving parlay. I had, uh, lions, cowboys and Packers for a hundred thousand. That won me two 77, six 39. And then on Sunday I had commanders who Seth said was for sure losing the bucks and the bills for 150,000, which paid me $382,550.
01:03:43
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So Jordan's total for the season now is up to $2,473,840. So he's he's up you know he's over doubled his money so far this year. So it has been a very fruitful million dollar bets this season. I feel like last year we we kind of both ended up, I think I ended up slightly up and you ended like a slightly below even man. It was not nearly this volatile last season for me.
01:04:05
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I split this, my my Thanksgiving day touchdown parlay failed. That lost me $50,000. But my NFC North money line hit for the third consecutive week, man, the Vikings, Lions, and Packers continue to get it done for me. That won me $284,000 to bring me at $2,360,835. So I'm setting about $110,000.
01:04:27
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behind Jordan going into the final five weeks of the season. I'm rolling I'm running back my NFC North parlay, but I got to put a twist on it with the Lions and Packers playing against each other. I obviously can't bet the Packers to win. So I'm going Lions to win the Lions money line Vikings money line and taking four points with the Bears going up against the Niners. So the Bears against the spread Lions Vikings money line. That's $100,000 and that parlays to $426,000.
01:04:55
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967. That's my first bet. Jordan, what's your first bet? I got the Seahawks, the bills and bucks on the money line. $100,000 bet pays me 427, 781.
01:05:07
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All right, that's nuts, dude, how our first, our top two bets are damn near identical, bro. Yours pays 427,000, mine pays 426,000. We did not plan that either. That's just straight up, ah you know, gambling fate, man. yeah My second bet, don't got the exact numbers on it yet because our gambling expert Jordan, let me know that touchdown numbers won't be out till later on in the week. But Josh Allen is my my starting quarterback for fantasy. I'm looking to clinch a playoff spot in our fantasy league.
01:05:35
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I'm going, I'm going to parlay a Bill's win with two touchdowns, ah two passing touchdowns for Josh Allen. I'm going to put 50,000 on that. and We'll see what it pays out. Okay. Uh, my other one is dolphins money line Jags money line and the over 49 and a half on bangles Cowboys, 50,000 would pay 338,512.
MVP Race: Josh Allen vs Saquon Barkley
01:05:57
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All right, and we got a couple listener mail questions to finish this out. So first off, Jordan's lovely wife, Ari, send in a question. Wanted to know after last night's performance, is Josh Allen, this was ah yesterday, she said this, sort of referring to Sunday Night Football. Is Josh Allen now the front runner for MVP?
01:06:15
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I think so, man. I think he's got Saquon by a little bit. Saquon's probably a little bit more deserving based on what he's done, but end of the day, we all know it's a quarterback's award. I don't think Saquon's done enough to overcome the kind of QB bias. Now, if he ends up breaking Eric Dickerson's record for most shards in a season, I think it becomes a lot more of a conversation, but right now I'm still leaning Josh Allen. I agree. I would do what Josh Allen is right now. It's all going to depend on, yeah, like you said, if Saquon breaks Eric Dickerson's record, because I think if he breaks that, he gets it. but Yeah, that really makes it historically significant, but you know, Saquon's been awesome, but you know, usually if you got a quarterback with a really good season for one of the best teams, it's going to get it done. Josh Allen did have kind of a signature performance last night in the snow has somehow has a passing touchdown or receiving touchdown and a rushing touchdown in the same game, which is insanity, man.
Football in Snow: Excitement vs Inconvenience
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Yeah. it's um crazy
01:07:04
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our buddies, Zach Hertzer says, does watching a football game played in the snow automatically make the game so much better? Or am I the only one that thinks that? No, it it definitely does. It's, it makes it that Bill's crowd. It was just a dude watching a snow game in Buffalo is just completely different though. It's just that those guys are just Jack to get there. They have to dig out their seat. and issue I can't imagine having to go there as an away team after a snow storm, but that's got to be just a pure disaster for the away team, especially Sam. I'm going to be scummed when that new stadium opens. They were showing it last night, man. It looks really nice, but dude, some of these old NFL stadiums, I'm always in favor of just refurbishing, man. You know what I mean? Give us some upgrades, but I feel like you lose a lot. You lose more than you think you are sometimes when you get rid of these old stadiums. I agree.
01:07:52
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Um, but yeah, I love a game in the snow. I will say if it's like a big, like a big time playoff game, I love a weather game in the regular season, but like a big time playoff game, I kind of want the weather to not be as, you know, not be much of a factor, dude. I kind of liked it to be on, you know, pre neutral fair conditions. We can really see who the best team is, but yeah, you gotta be, there's something wrong. But if you don't love seeing an awesome game in the rain or the, uh, the, the snow, I agree. Yeah.
01:08:16
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And I disagree with you about the playoff games. That's why you play to get a home playoff game. So if it's snowing in Buffalo and you got to go there, should have played better in the regular season. Yeah. Or we get the NFL as you just go soft on us and move the game to later in the week. Like they did last time. That was the worst. Yeah, that was so weak, man. All right. Uh, Jordan hit us with some closing thoughts, man. And we'll get out of here for this episode of the goal line. Countdown to Christmas is on three weeks. Get your shop and done fellas.
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