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Networking vs Social Climbing - How NOT to Act
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On this episode, Eleanor and LD share tips on building a "network." They talk about the pitfalls of being considered the "nice" girl, the difference between social climbing and networking, and personal advice on how to find genuine connections.
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Introduction to Pretty Invested Podcast
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to Pretty Invested presented by your favorite ex finance bros. We talk about the money things you actually care about. Hi, LD. How are you? I'm doing well. How are you, Eleanor? I am feeling a little bit mean. I don't know. I would say a B word, but I don't know if that would get us in trouble.
00:00:26
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I'm feeling the Scorpio New Moon energy. You're not into astrology. I had
Astrology and Self-Perception
00:00:33
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no idea. If you're only listening and not watching the video, check out our YouTube because I'm very much still channeling my Regina George and Mean Girls straight in my hair to look like the way I feel inside right now. You know, sometimes you're like, don't act with me. And so I want to look like don't act with me. You know, it's giving Black Widow. Yes.
00:00:56
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We're matching in black again. We're matching. If you want to see what we look like, check out the YouTube app, Pretty Invested Media. So I called our little podcast recording sesh into session because I have been thinking that being a mean girl sometimes has its place and hear us out.
00:01:20
Speaker
I feel like people have been saying, oh my God, Elle, I heard you're so nice. Elle's so nice. And it's just been going around recently with people that I work with, the people that I've been meeting in social settings, like, oh, you're so nice. And I'm just like, who is spreading these disgusting rumors about me? Who is going around telling these horrible lies? I'm not nice. I don't know where you got that from, but please eliminate that thought. And it's not that I'm not nice. It's that I don't
The Impact of External Appearances
00:01:48
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want people
00:01:49
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off the bat before they even get to know me to really presume that I'm a nice person. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's never something that I've had to think about because I have the opposite problem where people think that I'm a lot meaner than I actually am. So like, it's like a gift that I can give people to be open with my energy.
00:02:08
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But yeah, you have a very kind face, you have these huge doll like eyes. And you're like, cute and tiny. So I understand why people would assume that. I feel like we want the what we don't have the opposite. I'm like, yeah, just not come up to me. I have like a ask me questions face. You know, like, whenever there's a new person, they always
00:02:38
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ask their dumb questions to me and I'm like, I don't know what gave you the impression that I am the nicest person around at this office, but I think you are probably nicer than people think you are and I am probably meaner than people initially think I am. Yeah, I just think we have like very extreme external shells. Like I look a certain way, like I really look a certain way and then you really look a certain way.
00:03:05
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It's so funny because part of it is the way you look, I think manifest into your personality. You know, some people have kind eyes and they are kind. I think I am nice. But I just, the reason why I don't like people thinking that I'm nice is because people tend to take advantage of nice people and take them for granted. And I've had that happen to me a lot growing up. So I'm like, I rather you just don't have any preconceived notions of me.
00:03:32
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And then you can take it from there and I'll decide if I want to be nice or not, rather than you just assuming or being entitled and feeling that I should be warm and receptive.
Maintaining Boundaries and Avoiding Overwhelm
00:03:44
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And I think that's a helpful tool in navigating work and social. If people think you're a pushover or if you're too, it's probably a defense mechanism to
00:03:56
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avoid having to say no so often. I think my top of funnel, if you look at like a pipeline, like a chart, is wider than most people. And so I don't like having to say no so much. So I think I try and come off a little bit more intimidating so that people don't ask me to do so many things. Like, someone's like, I thought you were really intimidating when I first met you. I'm like, good. I'm like, oh, but then you're so sweet, which is I feel like what you got. Yeah.
00:04:25
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Yeah, no, I mean, although I don't think I have people even telling me that I'm so sweet because like, I'm, I'm very giving towards like the people that I love, but I'm not I'm not sweet for the sake of being sweet. Like, I'm very like, mm hmm. Yeah. Cool. Like, it's not even I don't mean I don't mean it to be mean. I just I can't fake enthusiasm. I can't fake emotion period. I don't know if it's like a neuro spicy thing or what it is. But like, I just I can't. Yeah.
00:04:55
Speaker
Is that a good common phrase? What is that? I don't know. Maybe it's because like like crypto culture, maybe it's like I'm too much on TikTok, but when you're neurospicy, it's like you're on the spectrum of something. Oh, so that's what that means. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that. I can see that. But I think it's sometimes beneficial, right? Where they're like, oh, she's just like that versus being like, oh, she's a B word or she's mean.
00:05:25
Speaker
And I think you can see this in celebrities too. When someone's known for being the nice girl or the girl next door, if they say no to a photo or you catch them in an off moment, people go after them because that's their brand. And so my thinking is like, I never want to be known as the nice girl because I'm like, you're held to this impossible standard. Yeah. So what has you in this era?
00:05:55
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I think you reach a breaking point where, you know, you can just smile and be like, okay, sure. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And then at the hundredth, yes, you're like, shut the F up. You accompany clown, leave me alone. And it just goes all the way to the opposite end. I also just been watching a lot of drag race recently and it's so refreshing to see people.
00:06:21
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just be like comically mean but not in an actually too malicious way but like reading queens um and just clocking them and like saying the quiet part out loud i'm like yes there's so much i just want to say but i feel like for the period of
00:06:39
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you know, a few months or even the past year or so, I've just been so, you know, nice. And I just been hearing that I my reputation is being super nice. And I'm like, what's going on here? I was like, negative. Yeah, it's it's net negative. It's like,
00:06:59
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I don't know like men get away with so much because people don't expect the best of them. This is like that like to the nth degree because like people people already expect so much from any woman. But then for people to think that you're like this angelic kind generous giving woman like they take so much for free all the time. I think it's better to come from a place of people have to think before they approach you versus being like
00:07:28
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Oh, there are no stupid questions without, let me just go to her for everything for someone. No, there are stupid questions. Please filter and please make sure this is not a waste of my time before you come to me. And it's like a filtering mechanism. Maybe that's coming from an immigrant household where it's like, don't come to me with your silly little questions, you know, like come to me when you are prepared. So maybe that's the Eastern part of me shining through as well.
00:07:54
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Yeah, I mean, I just think it gets exhausting, like from an energetic level. Like, I give people my energy accidentally all the time. If I'm not aware of it, it's just one of my knee-jerk reactions to being around large groups of people. I just I take on their energy, like despite my face, I'm incredibly empathetic, overly empathetic.
00:08:21
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to the point where I can't even go to music festivals because it's just a SHIT show for me psychologically, like I will be so emotionally discombobulated for like a week after. So I think like, yeah, on a way way way deeper level, we're literally metabolizing other people's emotions with our
00:08:44
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bodies.
Emotional Exhaustion and Rebalancing Techniques
00:08:46
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And I went to a crystal rebalancing two days ago. And the lady was like, girl, you're absorbing everyone's feelings. And she gave me exercises to like do on my chest because apparently you absorb them via your solar plexus, which is kind of under your heart chakra, I think. I think it's under. And she was like, you need to put some salt on that and make the salt absorb everyone else's stuff because you're just carrying everyone's stuff right now. I was like,
00:09:14
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Cool. Thanks. But she was like, you're like concave in this area. Like, it's just like caved in because it's like so... Girl, I'm sorry if you're taking on any of my stresses, but you are. And that's why I'm like, you are nice in ways that I don't even think to be nice. I don't think you realize that. And I think you're very giving and patient. And I think not many people are. I like to therapist. It's I just enjoy it. It's like,
00:09:43
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I'm not, I don't know. Like you're very nurturing, but you're like nurturing to people who don't deserve it. Whereas like, I don't know. I don't know. Being a girl sucks, man. It's hard for us to create boundaries, which is why like, you know, I try to be intimidating so people don't impose on my boundaries and filter out. And so maybe it is like, you don't know how to like preserve your energy. So you just like remove yourself from the situations where you would be drained.
00:10:13
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Do you have tips on how to harden yourself or make yourself seem less approachable for people that have the same problem? Good question. Well, I'm announcing it here. But this is probably the wrong platform because I feel like every one of our audience members is probably very considerate and thoughtful. It's mostly men who are very much so like, I'm going to ask everything from this girl and expect everything.
00:10:39
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I don't know, sometimes I just give staying face, look a little mean, and then give side eye. I give so much side eye, but some people are maybe a little neurospicy and don't understand when I'm literally looking at you sideways as you're talking to me, and my body language is literally facing away from you, and yet they're still so actively engaged. I don't know if any girl's been to a tech networking event,
00:11:07
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where a guy is just hovering over them or standing too close. It's just, it's a lot. I don't know. I am figuring out tips if anyone has any. Maybe I'll start drawing my eyebrows really sharp. Or I don't know, what's like a man repellent, basically? Oh, there was like that old man repeller blog that was really popular when we were in like college or maybe it was like when I first started working. I mean, I'm taking it too literally, but there was this one lady who,
00:11:38
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had a blog and it was called Man Repeller. Oh my gosh. But it was basically like she just didn't wear conventionally attractive outfits. But yeah, I really don't know. There's nothing that will ward men away. I thought that once I got engaged, that men would pay less attention. But no, if anything, it made it worse. There's nothing that you can do to get them to leave you alone. But I've talked about this at length on my TikTok.
Gender Dynamics in Emotional Processing
00:12:08
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Men use women as sources of energy. Like we literally help them alchemize their feelings and process their problems and any emotional problem that they're having they don't have the tools internally to deal with it and so they come to us and like women are the are the outlet and men are the plug and they just love to plug into us and suck all of our energy out. Big facts because they don't they don't be doing this to their male friends
00:12:38
Speaker
No, because they have nothing to offer to each other. That's real. Yeah, I don't know. I don't want to repulse everyone away. But I'm just like, can you not? I don't know. I don't really have great tips. I'm sorry, girls. And it's not all men. It's just there's like dumb bars number like 100 something under 2050 people you can actually keep a relationship with in some sense. That's like the magic number or so that
00:13:06
Speaker
You can't know. That's like way too many people. That's like 10 times more people than I can maintain a relationship. We're not absolutely, but have into, in your like mental like CRM, right? Like how are you inviting to the wedding, right? Like, you know, so I think mine is about capped. And so people still want to engage and I'm kind of like thinking of it like college, right? Where,
00:13:34
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freshman year, you're friends with everyone on, you know, your hall, you're trying to make friends with everyone. And then by senior year, you really have your established friend group, the people who you've sussed out. And you probably don't even talk to the person who lives next door to you. And now I'm very much so trying to be very intentional with who I spend my time with. And some people can be lovely people, but they are not entitled to my friendship because
00:14:03
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my time and energy, like you said, is valuable. And we talked about this in a previous episode about energy, although not, you know, completely scientifically defined, it is a thing. Energy does exist within physics. And you can feel other people's energy. So if someone's frequency doesn't align with yours, just because they're a nice person doesn't mean
00:14:32
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they get access to you. Yeah. Or even sometimes not nice people think that they deserve to get access to you. Yeah. Basically, you're just saying that like your friend group is complete and you don't have room for more friends. I can it's on a very select basis, right? There's a wait list. It's on a rolling basis. It's on a merit basis, basically. If I'm in line with you, and you're like,
00:14:57
Speaker
holy shoot, this person is awesome. I really like this person. And yeah, well, we'll include them in. Yeah, I feel like with you especially because you're so good at networking, but you do it very mindfully and you focus on quality over quantity. But when you are doing that, and you're in a group of other people that are also very deep in the networking game, it's really
00:15:26
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they often have different incentives when they're going about it. And it's almost like you're constantly sifting through social climbers, basically, like to put it, I guess not so nicely, but it's hard when you really, really hate social climbing. And you can tell when someone's trying to use you because they see that you're great at networking. And they're just like, Oh, I know so and so and so and so and so and so and so and so but then you know that they don't know, know, know them.
00:15:55
Speaker
This is all like super niche. I know I sound like an asshole. But yeah, it's it's annoying some insight into like the big city networking circles where
00:16:06
Speaker
there is like a name dropping thing and it's not necessarily all about number of you know instagram followers it's more niche than that it's very niche but for those of you who are curious like i see this like la miami new york little triangle and maybe a little bit of sf a little bit but yeah i think there's like a combination right two sides of the coin i think it's important to be cognitive who you spend your time with also like
00:16:35
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who you associate with, right? And you could say that that's social climbing or like you're super hyper aware, but I think there's a art to being a good networker versus someone who's viewed as social climbing, right? And I think part of it comes down to your intentions or the tax that you have when you interact with it. And I think it's people who aren't tactful, who get called out for being social climbing or are just purely there for arbitrary reasons.
00:17:05
Speaker
In life, everyone is self-interested and has things to gain from whatnot. When you're too transactional, people don't like that and people can see through it. I think that's the core of it. The reason that we're speaking so poorly about it isn't just because it's a fun thing to gossip about. It just does not feel good, human to human, when something is so transparently transactional.
00:17:35
Speaker
because it implies that either A, the person thinks that you're dumb and that you can't see through it, or B, the person doesn't see you as a human and sees you as an opportunity. And that also doesn't feel good. So like, yeah, it's just yeah, I think you perfectly encapsulated why I'm
00:17:55
Speaker
on guard about people who act that way. And I think it's totally normal to want to be like, I want to surround myself around smart, interesting, beautiful people. Like, I totally really thought like I would love to, that's, I prioritize surrounding myself without type two, like those types of individuals as well. But I think when it's like,
00:18:15
Speaker
Are you a real fan? I should flip it because we're basically talking about like how to destroy trust with a potential person in your network.
Networking Tips and Genuine Connections
00:18:24
Speaker
Like being social client is the way that you guarantee that you've destroyed trust. Do you have tips for people on initial interactions and how to either build trust quickly or get someone to like want to stay connected with you?
00:18:41
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's like just feeling out the vibes. Cause someone might be a really good person on paper for you to connect with, but if you guys don't vibe, then just like move on, stop forcing it. And I think that's the best way. And I don't like to think about things as strategy, but sometimes when you meet a person that you really like, make sure you follow up with them. If you do vibe with them. Personally, what I like is when someone invites me to something, but they're not,
00:19:10
Speaker
imposing or i don't like when people fall up too many times if i haven't responded um because that's like i would have responded if i really wanted to because no i personally don't like getting pushed into something being like are you available when say let's get drinks it's like oh you know if you if you want to join like making a little bit low stakes rather than you're like forcing someone to be your friend
00:19:36
Speaker
And, you know, maybe it doesn't work. I think going to other events, networking events together is great because then you have something you kind of know, you can touch base without having to be a one-on-one interaction and then continue to feel out their energy and see if it aligns with your own.
00:19:52
Speaker
but there's not like a tactic or a conversation point that you should bring up like there's all this stuff going on it's like look into this eye then this eye and they mention something about their family and then do this and then they're like the the 30 questions asked me if someone fall in love with you I'm like oh my that's so strategic and psychopathic if I like hear one of those questions I'm just like what like
00:20:16
Speaker
Are you, have you read like Robert Greene's like 40 laws of power? Like what are you trying to do? I'm instantly on guard. Like don't like just try and be natural. And if this, if it's not coming naturally, then maybe just move on because there will be people who naturally more aligned with you. So I guess that's my advice. Yeah. I think like.
00:20:38
Speaker
People overestimate and are overly optimistic on how strategic they can be in networking because people are going into it already suspicious that someone is trying to be tactical with them. So if you go into it with strategy and someone recognizes your strategy for strategy, it's different if you were dating.
00:21:02
Speaker
you can do so much conversations on a first date are so free flowing, you can insert your 40 laws of power, whatever, like mind tricks, you can insert at least five on a first date, I guarantee, and a guy wouldn't know. But in networking, it just, it kind of frustrates me when people ask me for advice, because I'm like, stop, you can just tell that they've read too many books about it, or they're too obsessed with it. I'm like, why are you so uncomfortable with yourself? Analyze that and then you'll be better at networking. And like,
00:21:30
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just the best advice to be good at networking and have people want to have you be successful.
00:21:37
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or be pretty, you know, this is honest advice, right? Everyone wants to talk to their community girl. Everyone wants to talk to the CEO of whatever. Be ready. Yeah. Money, beauty, power, like have something to offer people, right? And I think if you need to get there, right? It's like, you need to have this many years of experience before you or whatever. But that's why like, you actually don't see like this, the CEOs of 4500 companies that like open happy hours. You know what I mean?
00:22:05
Speaker
It's like, I think it's hard to network in a way that's not genuine, right? Because like, it's like, oh, I can tell you read these MBA books, and you're trying a tactic on me. And it's an it. Maybe it's like what not to do at a networking event. I think it's not good to
00:22:27
Speaker
hug someone who's trying to leave a conversation or like you can tell that someone's like eyes are glaring you can just be like let's connect over LinkedIn or something and then if it makes sense you can follow up but it's it's like think about it like if a guy's hitting on you and you are kind of like I know and they they just like double down you're like you're making it worse so I don't know what it's all good advice
00:22:55
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, what usually makes you connect to someone? Like, can you qualify what that is? Honestly, for me, I think a lot of people don't care as much about this. But having a shared personal background, like really makes me connect with someone. Otherwise, like, I pick up on people's energies. So it's more just like, are they hovering at a similar frequency to me, or
00:23:23
Speaker
I don't have to feel connected to someone necessarily in order to want to talk to them. If someone is an expander and want to say expander, I mean that they are someone who I could see myself being in 10 years. Like if they are aspirational, if they make me feel lit up when I talk to them, like if I feel excited about my own potential when I talk to them, then immediately I'm going to want to stay connected with them. Yeah. I want to touch on your point about frequency and energy.
00:23:53
Speaker
I think that's such a good point where you should match the energy of the person that you're talking to. If they're very reserved and you're like, hi, how are you going to freak them out? And if they're very exciting, you'd be very excited. You know, like I think that is a key point because it's very noticeable.
00:24:12
Speaker
if you are high energy or like you come off as over eager and people get suspicious of that if they're more calmed down. I think a lot more senior people that you're probably trying to work with are a little bit more comfortable in their own skin and like have navigated these for a while and so they aren't as like eager to talk to you and so you just have to like approach them and
00:24:35
Speaker
know, be curious and, you know, just ask good questions, talk to them, ask them about their day. Small, sometimes small talk does work for a little bit. Sorry. And you were also saying. No, I was just saying that it's, it's all subtle things, but.
00:24:50
Speaker
I think the matching someone's energy thing is so true. And I also think you should either be at someone's level or below it in terms of your level of enthusiasm. And I've actually found this helpful when I'm talking to people that I'm really intimidated by, or people that were like huge investors, or people that... You should establish you're a peer, not a fan.
00:25:17
Speaker
Exactly. And when I would speak to them with a level of like reservedness, like you can kind of tell like, or maybe I can tell, but I think some people can tell like how people want you to react to them. And so if you react with a little bit less enthusiasm, they will naturally want to appease you or it makes them like the term is fawning, like it makes them fawn.
00:25:42
Speaker
And so it's a way to kind of strengthen the relationship. But again, this is kind of a medium to advanced skill thing and is really only useful in very, very niche situations. And I wouldn't do it if you didn't already feel pretty comfortable with networking. Yeah, because it's funny, I can also see the reverse backfiring where if it's someone who's a big deal and you're just like, hi. And you're overly chill. Yeah.
00:26:10
Speaker
They're also gonna react and be like, you should be very deferential and very much so my fan. So just gauge the situation. Cause some people you should be like, it's so wonderful to meet you. I'm a big fan of your work, you know, da da da. Like I'm very impressed by this and that. And some people do want that type of interaction. If you know, someone's, if you talk to, you know, Larry Fanker, I don't know, whoever it is.
00:26:40
Speaker
they're not going to be mind manipulated to being like this like young, youngster, this young 20 something is they're equal, you know? Yes, yes. That's why I think the best thing that you can always, always, always the best thing to do is to just be a freaking person. And like, that's it. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes you're not going to connect with someone. It's okay. Move on. Don't force it. Because that person could also get a bad impression of you.
00:27:08
Speaker
And no impression is better than a negative impression. I'm thinking so much about the book, the third door right now. Yeah. If anyone's interested in networking, literally just read the third door. Yeah. Because we've all made mistakes. Do you have like a networking mistake that you made? I was always way too timid to the point where people would want to help me. And they'd be like, yeah, set a time on my calendar. This was when I was in college.
00:27:36
Speaker
set a time on my calendar, we can talk about whatever. I would be so nervous on these calls. I would just ask them about like, random, super specific things about their business, like trying to understand the ins and outs of their product. And I'd be like, So like, are you gonna ask me like for an internship? Or like, what do you want? What can I do for you? I'd be like, Oh, sorry, like, I was so afraid of being forward.
00:28:00
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I think this goes to our point of being a person, right? Sometimes you cannot just have a playbook, right? Because some people are like, oh, I just want them to talk to me like I'm a real person. Let's not get into business. That's taboo. And some people are like, we're calling because there's an opening in my job, in my team. That's what we're talking about. Stop wasting my time. So sense it out. Don't be so rigid. Yeah, I think me as a midget.
00:28:29
Speaker
probably should lean on more like let's just ask for what we want and be a little bit more forward because I would say generally women would be like their college self and just be like, oh, and maybe if you know, you don't mind, what about your team? Yeah, I think this, this combo talks, like evolve a little bit into, you know, how to network. And I think it makes sense, right? Because it is a skill.
00:28:57
Speaker
And I think we we've shared some pretty good tips. Yeah, we I don't think we've done like a proper episode. And I thought that this would be mostly chitchat. And it actually turned out to be useful. So I'm happy. Yeah. And you know, part of it is just understanding your own strengths and weaknesses. Some people are very charismatic. Some people just like memorize a lot of facts.
00:29:25
Speaker
And I think it's just not getting discouraged if you don't connect with someone and just moving on. And eventually what I found is you look at senior people, they go into less and less of these open happy hours and once they have their solid network, it starts webbing out. Where it's like friend of a friend rather than, let me just build this from scratch. And it's a little bit easier, it's a little bit more filtered.
00:29:52
Speaker
It's vetted because someone else you already know can vouch for someone. And I think that's also why we naturally feel less of a desire to go to these events. Everyone is self-interested and maybe you catch someone at the right time and they want to be a mentor. Maybe they're overwhelmed and they just caught them at a bad time. They talk about this in the third door. Like sometimes someone might actually just be looking to mentor someone. You never know. And so don't take it personally.
00:30:22
Speaker
And no one's obligated to mentor you. Because to be honest, there is benefits for the mentor, but there's obviously more benefits for the mentee. And sometimes energy is limited at different periods in our life. And someone might really like you, but they just don't have the time. Or they already have so many people that they're mentoring at a given time where they don't connect that much with your specific story.
00:30:49
Speaker
But that's not, you know, a, a statement on, you know, who you are as a person. And my tip for that is to actually network with people who are only a few years older than you, because those folks are usually a lot more open and can relate to you versus like, the head of a company. Yeah. Yeah. Just be patient until your network is big enough where you can get warm intros to most people that you want. And then your work starts to like- Warm intros are the best.
00:31:18
Speaker
I hate cold outreach. I hate networking events to this day. I hate going to them. Yeah. I am very selective about the ones I go to now. People are self-interested. So the core to networking is how do they benefit you? How do you benefit them? In a very cold way of thinking about it, that's why people are there. And you're benefiting by the pleasure of someone's company, or getting a job, or
00:31:48
Speaker
doing business or, you know, you're working in the same industry. But I think understanding that and trying to relate, you know, you don't have infinite energy. There are times where you do, but there are also times where you don't. And so be compassionate with yourself, keep going on it. You're going to build. And yeah, the best way to network if there is someone is to be thoughtful. I don't know.
00:32:12
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What else? I mean, I only have one last thing to add and that's to any 20, 21, 22 year old right now that's hearing us talk about this and is incredibly self-aware and very nervous about wasting other people's time. Please don't let this discourage you from reaching out to people because you are the exact demographic that older people want to talk to because you are self-aware. And I also think that
00:32:40
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Honestly, some of my favorite conversations I've ever had were with people that were juniors or seniors in college or freshly out of college, because there's something about that glow. The corporate world has not robbed you of it yet. You are such a breath of fresh air to interact with. So just because you don't have industry experience, don't worry about it. People still want to talk to you. Part of it is a numbers game. Part of it is
00:33:06
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Uh, like an intention, you know, when you're starting, you can't just get warm intros by be intentional, but well, you're asked and not long emails aren't always good. Make it short, concise. Don't be too presumptuous and humble. And I think those perform the best.
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You can do a hundred and three people respond, or you can do 10 intentional ones and five people respond, you know? So my method and I think LD's method is probably the more intentional reach outs, the spray and pray, but you do what you feel like works best. Yeah. Do you want to send this off? Yeah. Thanks so much for listening, guys.
00:33:49
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