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Turnbuckle Tavern Invades Chick Foley Show
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Our Pod Foundation Ohana, the 2 Bad Chads from Turnbuckle Tavern, stop by to review Summerslam Weekend from a hardcore AEW fan's perspective. Plus, CM Punk, Becky Lynch, Brock Lesnar NXT Takeover 36, the Weekly Beverage Break, and Listener Mail!
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Setup
00:00:01
Speaker
Welcome to the Chick Foley Show.
00:00:22
Speaker
What is up, Foley
SummerSlam 2021 Recap
00:00:24
Speaker
fam? SummerSlam 2021 is in the rearview mirror. What a weekend of wrestling. We had some crazy, crazy surprises, returns, shocking twists and turns. We're going to get into it and discuss everything that happened. But first, let me introduce the stars of the show. Sheena, how are you doing?
00:00:41
Speaker
Doing good.
One-Year Podcast Anniversary Celebration
00:00:42
Speaker
Guys, I don't know, Marco and Seth, if you guys know this, but this is our one year anniversary as a trio for the Chick Foley show. So you, you and I and Marco have sat down, you know, numerous times in this past year and recorded the Chick Foley show. So happy anniversary, guys.
00:00:57
Speaker
crazy it's been it doesn't seem like it's been in some ways I feel like it's longer than a year and in some ways I'm like man how is it already been you know 365 days I know I kind of feel like it's always been like this this like feels like you know natural and organic and I love it so cheers you guys
00:01:11
Speaker
Yeah, here's to at least one more. I think we at least got one more yearness. Man, that sounds
Guest Appearance: Turnbuckle Tavern
00:01:16
Speaker
cryptic. Marco, how you doing, man? Doing good, doing good. Do it even better now that I know it's a one-year anniversary of this trio that we got going on. I should have brought some cake. Yeah, something. Yeah, drink up.
00:01:31
Speaker
Yeah, we also have, we got some guest stars with us tonight. We got the two bad chads from Turnbuckle Tavern, our fellow Pod Foundation members. Love these guys so much. We discovered their show back in January of this year. They came aboard the Pod Foundation and these guys, they got something for everyone. If you can't find some content from these guys that you enjoy, I really have to question if you're a wrestling fan or not.
00:01:54
Speaker
We affectionately refer to him as the two bad chads for the purpose of communication on this podcast. We're going to have Chad and we're going to have Sneed. We'll kick it off with Sneed, man. How are you doing tonight? Hey guys, man. Thanks for having us on. Super pumped to be here and I feel honored that I'm here on the one year anniversary. I know. It's a party. We wanted to make sure it was festive, so we had to make sure we brought in some guests. Absolutely. Yeah.
00:02:19
Speaker
And then Chad, how's life in West Virginia, man? Awesome, man. It's crazy because I remember tagging Chick Foley in some of our posts
Pod Foundation Origins
00:02:28
Speaker
way back when. And I was just tagging people, other podcasts, trying to get some likes. And then Sheena sends us the Pod Foundation offer to be the AEW fam in the Pod Foundation. We were stoked. So it's pretty cool to be on the show today with you guys.
00:02:48
Speaker
We are so happy to have you here. We were selective. Listen, we listened to a few podcasts and we were like, dude, these guys, we love their vibe, first of all, and they dive deep. We touched on everything. We've changed the format a couple of times on here and we do a rundown, but you guys were given in-depth AEW coverage, which we know there are people out
Community Engagement and Patreon
00:03:06
Speaker
there that want that. We were happy to lock arms with you guys and join the Pod Foundation with you all.
00:03:12
Speaker
Yeah, they were actually the 30. So it started with the idea that me and Sheena and Marco kind of cooked up. We brought in Extra Cooler because he was really kind of just getting his podcast off the ground at the same time. But everything that dude does is quality. He's done artwork for us and turn vocal tab. Yeah, and he had a unique, like their format and everything. It was nostalgia based. Yeah, so it was totally different than what we were doing. So it brought a little something different to the table.
00:03:39
Speaker
Yeah. And then we had just started listening to a turnbuckle tavern. And then once we got this idea, we really started listening to turnbuckle tavern. We were like, you know what? These guys got a pretty bad ass little show going. I think, and you guys have had some changes too. I think you guys are still doing a DVR and NXT at the time because the Winston and I awards are still in full-fledged state.
00:03:56
Speaker
Yeah, and then it ended up being, you know, like I said, I think you guys are the definitive source, man. I think it's the official podcast that AW has with Tony, Shivani, and Aubrey, and then you guys, man. I think that's all anybody needs for their AW podcast content. So yeah,
Foley Pix League Wrap-up
00:04:13
Speaker
we got them here tonight.
00:04:14
Speaker
We're actually going to stray away from a lot of AEW talk with these guys because you can definitely, if you're not already, you need to go subscribe to their feed right now to hear all that. We're going to get their spin on some WWE stuff and hear it from AEW's fans perspective, what they thought of WWE's biggest show they've had in the last couple of years. But before we get to that, Sheena, tell the listeners about the Chick Foley show Patreon.
00:04:35
Speaker
So you can join us at, you know, you can find me on Instagram at Chick Foley. Marco runs our Twitter machine over at Chick Foley Show. And you can join our Patreon, our Foley fam over at chickfolishow.com. We have an amazing Facebook group, an amazing community full of just awesome people. And we just finished up, we just wrapped up our Foley Pix League, which was
00:04:56
Speaker
So much fun. So I want to give a special shout out to the heel husband, Seth, and Phil Dunnett for keeping us in line, making sure we got our picks in. Myself and Marco were usually always the last people to get our picks in. We're the divas. Yeah, we're the divas. Right at deadline time. Get your freaking picks in. Get your picks in. Yeah. So thank you, Phil, for never giving up on us and making sure that my picks always slid in there at the buzzer. So I want to congratulate our buddy, Alex Eubank, from
00:05:24
Speaker
coming back from a freaking come behind victory stole the freaking Foley Pixley championship from everybody. From everybody at
Future of the Pix League
00:05:33
Speaker
the top, you know, we kind of, we kind of went out with the bang, you know, SummerSlam weekend. We had a lot of like, you know, uh, bonus, uh, opportunities to get bonus points and Alex just patched you. So I was, I had a insurmountable lead, right? Because you know, you guys know I'm the king of, it wasn't too insurmountable.
00:05:48
Speaker
Clearly. I've been watching wrestling my entire life. I feel comfortable saying I'm an expert when it comes to the art of professional wrestling. Lead was so big, but I'm like, you know what? I'm also the assistant commissioner of the league. That's a total heel move for the commissioner to win. Let me just juice this last weekend.
Turnbuckle Tavern Content Overview
00:06:04
Speaker
So I'm throwing out bonus points for everything. If you sign up, you get your picks in on time. That's five bonus points. That's not true. Double points for this.
00:06:11
Speaker
Double points for that. Next thing you know, Alex Eubanks comes back in. No, he did give us some bonus point opportunities, but it was not like that. Come on now. Listen, that damn Bobby Lashley. You guys have heard me. I've been on the roller coaster of emotions with this show with my love and hatred of Bobby Lashley. He's back on my shit list because he cost me the Chick-Fully show prediction championship or another prediction championship, the Pix League championship. I would have won. I would be
00:06:40
Speaker
toting my freaking trophy, my belt around, and no, instead, that freaking Alex Eubank has it. And I'm coming back for season two.
00:06:49
Speaker
Yeah, so it's going to be a lot of fun. We already got more members for season two than we ever season one. So that prize money is going to keep going up and up. So if you're in the Patreon group already, sign up. If you're not, sign up for Patreon, get in the Pix League. It's going to be a blast. Normally, Marco is kind of the Jimmy Hart for the Pod Foundation, telling us what everybody's got going on this week. Extra cooler, multiple members of their Survivor Series team are on vacation right now. So they're on hiatus this week. It's all turnbuckle tavern. So who better
00:07:17
Speaker
than the two bad chads to tell us. Give us a little rundown of what content people can find over on the tavern this week. Snead, you want to take it or? Yeah, well, I mean, you can find I mean, there's so much. So as far as the so much stuff, it was my mind. Well, you know, we we did come up with the Conrad without the cash T-shirt or you can find that at pro wrestling tea. So, yeah, the Conrad without the cash T-shirt is there will be a link in the show notes. So, yeah.
00:07:46
Speaker
But yeah, so you have our flagship show that you're going to get on Thursday, where Chad and I do, like you had talked about before the in-depth breakdown. And then we have our session with Call the Hawk, where we talked to that fella. Then we have visits to the tavern, which you'll be able to hear an interview that Chad and I do. And then you'll have on Monday, the debate.
00:08:08
Speaker
and then on Wednesday you'll have the sessions with Tom and then on YouTube you can catch a recap of pretty much any show. You can get a rampage recap, a smackdown recap, a raw recap. You can get fig night on Thursdays and then
00:08:26
Speaker
Randomly, we may pop up with some news. So yeah, and yeah, and honestly,
Wale's Wrestling-Themed Collection
00:08:33
Speaker
like I have to shout out the crew because like me and there is no way me and Sneed could do this like by ourselves, you know that this is a joint effort, you know, we have Tom holding it down on a lot of stuff. The OG Fit get the staple. We have Mike Bellcaster holding it down on a lot of content. And then we also have
00:08:54
Speaker
Jay bone from coming down the aisle who comes on and does the raw recap. He pops in for some of the other recaps. And we have young Anthony from the Titan Tron podcast who does our Smackdown recap and he'll pop up in other recaps too. So, you know, we're trying to just build a community. And, you know, I love it. Not not like I said, there's absolutely no way me and Snead could do this. But we figured the more content, the better we like being around cool wrestling fans who are like minded. So we're having a blast.
00:09:23
Speaker
Hell yeah, man. Um, again, turnbuckle tavern. We'll put their, uh, we'll put their link tree in the show notes of this. You can access basically everything they got going on and they do have some killer t-shirts over on pro wrestling tee. So support over there as well. Um, Sheena, tell us about the latest Wally and foot action collection. I know we talked about it last week because there's still some stuff available. It was a pretty limited drop.
00:09:44
Speaker
Yeah, it was a pretty limited drop, but there's still pieces available on foot action. I think Foot Locker sold out of a few pieces, but there's still pieces available on foot action. So Wale curated
Creative Strategies and Personal Balances
00:09:53
Speaker
the collection. So he's doing these periodic capsule collections with Foot Locker and Foot Action. So he curated this collection. It's golden era inspired, some of his favorite wrestlers from the golden era.
00:10:03
Speaker
And then Kaz designed the t-shirts, or the designs, I should say. There's crew necks and t-shirts. So you can find those. We'll put the link in the show notes at Foot Locker and Foot Action. We were lucky enough to get to partner with them and kind of promote this drop for SummerSlam weekend. So definitely check it out. Yeah, I love the kind of old school look of these, of the t-shirts and crew necks. So check it out. If you want to see them, check out these reels that Sheena's been dropping on IG. I don't even know how she does this stuff. Put some together. I just, you know, I open up my phone.
00:10:32
Speaker
Holy shit, when did you become a professional video editor and stuff? Yeah, they're pretty sweet. I like Reels, yeah. Reels is kind of like my jam. I dig it. I don't get to do them as often as I want to because kids and stuff, they don't allow you to get creative with your recording. They kind of bomb you all the time, but yeah.
00:10:47
Speaker
When I get a chance to break away, I'll record a reel every once in a while. I was on the phone with the Honda dealership coordinating some service this afternoon. I went upstairs to make the phone call to have some peace and quiet. You guys know we got a four year old and a one and a half year old.
00:11:03
Speaker
And my four-year-old, in his sweetest voice, is like, you know, Daddy, can I come upstairs with you? So I'm like, you know, couldn't say no to that. So I'm like, yeah, sure. So I'm laying down on the floor, like making this phone call. And all of a sudden out of nowhere, straight up, earthquake splash, man. He goes, you know, bonsai drop right in the middle of my back. As I'm on the phone with somebody at Honda, I'm like, oh, I think they thought I was like being attacked or something, man.
00:11:24
Speaker
Yeah, so I feel Yashin on the kids, as much of a blessing as they are, they can cramp the style a little bit when you're trying to do adult things. Yeah, you never get to complete a full task, you know what I'm saying? You got to do it in like segments. Yeah, you got to get comfortable with the 85% solution on a lot of things. Oh, I know.
00:11:40
Speaker
If you guys heard any jingling, jingling through the housekeeping, Sheena's been blowing up my phone, telling me to knock it off. That's just my ice cubes rattling around my cup. Instead of straight here, I'm starting the show with a whiskey sour. So that's both an apology and a teaser. Because you guys know when we get on the hard liquor on here, sometimes the episodes go a little bit off the rails, but in a good way. You can really hear the fully unfiltered takes from me and the rest of the crew here on the Chick Foley show. So before we get into the news of the week, Sheena, I think we got some figures to give away. Are you ready?
00:12:10
Speaker
We sure do. All right. We are giving away the
Giveaways and Promotions
00:12:14
Speaker
Elite 86 SummerSlam Miz. And the winner is...
00:12:24
Speaker
The winner is at WWE 2009. Well, just 2009. There's no and, uh, so pretty straightforward. Uh, a little screen name you got there, buddy. Um, I guess 2009. I don't even know what happened in 2009 birthday. Oh my God. I hope that's 12 years old. 2009 was 12 years ago. Yeah.
00:12:43
Speaker
Shut up. Okay. We don't need that kind of recap. Okay. I just want to hope that 2009 was a good year. Maybe they forgot their login for their 1985 WWF 1985, you know? Maybe. Hit us up on. Yes, right into the DMs. We'll get that figurehead in your way. Next week, we're going to be giving away
00:13:02
Speaker
The really hot figure right now, it's from series one of AW unmatched. We had to do an AW figure with the two bad chads here with us. It is Miro's first figure in AW, God's favorite champion. Really cool figure. We're giving it away. This one's going to be Patreon exclusive. So if you are a Patreon, a premium member of the Foley fam and you're already listening,
00:13:23
Speaker
you're entered. Anybody else that wants to get in on it, go ahead and join it's as low as 20 bucks for an entire year. And you get access to a lot of really fun stuff. So yeah, a w Miro next week, and we'll get some details up on Sheena's IG and Marco on the Twitter account. Here in the next couple days, we want to remind you guys to use code chick Foley to save 10% on everything at ringside and Chad, you guys got a code now too, right? Yeah, ringside tavern and go to tavern save yourself 10% off.
00:13:51
Speaker
Yeah. So the
Excitement for SummerSlam Weekend
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Speaker
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00:14:12
Speaker
All right, so it was a hell of a weekend. It all started Friday with a pretty decent episode of SmackDown. I think they kind of gave away the ending of SummerSlam when Roman Reigns said he would leave WWE if he lost. That could have been a really cool storyline, you know, breaking kayfabe. I would have loved to have seen how they played that out if Cena beat him. And, you know, we kayfabe have Roman leave WWE for a few weeks. But either way, it definitely kind of telegraphed the ending and it played out. But it all started off with
00:14:40
Speaker
CM Punk debuting on Rampage. It was an incredible moment. I'm not really sure if we can still call it a surprise. Everybody was expecting it. And I think that made the pot better though, because the crowd was just kind of like fully juiced up for it and ready to go. But Sheena, you did have a little post just kind of in the middle of SummerSlam. Tell us
Social Media Reactions and Controversies
00:15:01
Speaker
about that and give us some of the details on the response on that post.
00:15:05
Speaker
Well, I mean, so apparently I made some sort of controversial take over the weekend. There was a, I posted a picture of Becky Lynch after her glorious return. And I said, you know, better than seeing punk dot, dot, dot, sue me.
00:15:21
Speaker
Right? Currently, that thing is sitting at like a thousand likes and like 260 comments of people just- 10,000 people have seen that post. Yeah, with their torches and pitchforks out for me. And you know what? After all those 257 horrible comments, people just really putting me in my place and teaching me
00:15:46
Speaker
teaching me what I should know about seeing punk. I just want to say from the bottom of my heart that I'm going to take this chance to apologize to absolutely nobody. The champ knows what the punk she wants.
00:16:02
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think most people kind of miss the joke. Obviously CM Punk making his return eight years away from the business is a little bit bigger deal than Becky coming back. Yeah, and dude, if you had scrolled two posts back, you would have saw. I made a very nice post for CM Punk. I posted it in the stories like, wow, what a moment.
00:16:20
Speaker
And even myself, you know, I was talking, I was making jokes and stuff about CM Punk over the past couple weeks on the show. But even in that moment, like I am not like a huge CM Punk person. I got like emotional just thinking like, wow, this is a really cool moment for so many wrestling fans. Like,
Wrestling Fandom and Community
00:16:36
Speaker
I can totally see why people are emotional and why people are just so into this. And the fact that they had the wherewithal to like,
00:16:42
Speaker
start the show with CM Punk and just give people what they wanted right from the jump. I thought it was really cool. Then CM Punk's whole delivery and the way that they did it, I thought it was really, really good. All 257 of you people trolling me in my freaking comments, you need to calm your tits because I
00:17:03
Speaker
I'm not stupid enough to be like, oh, better than CM Punk. You know what I mean? It was very tongue-in-cheek, which by the way, I just learned that it's tongue-in-cheek, not tongue-and-cheek because I wrote it out and I was like, this doesn't look right. I was like, it's tongue-in-cheek. Never mind. That makes a lot more sense. You need to do some refresher training, Sheena, on your figures of speech. Remember it was a couple of years ago when I told you that it's not the lesser of two equals, it's the lesser of two evils.
00:17:33
Speaker
All right. Yeah. I remember you were like, well, I thought it was lesser of two equals. They're the same, but you take the lesser one. That's too much thought into that phrase. I've had a few of those botches over the years. But forgive me. But yeah, you guys, I have no beef with Sam Punk. I'm excited to see where it goes, what he does. And I'm excited for everybody. And I said it last week. I said, I am very excited for everybody who is going to be very excited.
00:18:02
Speaker
by this. Oh yeah, for sure. Chad Sneed, I know you guys already covered the hell out of the out of CM Punk's return. What are your guys' general thoughts on the contingency of AEW fans that are so hardcore on AEW that literally
00:18:21
Speaker
If, you know, 85 Hulk Hogan, 91 Ultimate Warrior, and, you know, 96 HBK all somehow returned to WWE right now, they'd still find a way to shit on it. Like, what do you guys think of those fans that are just, like, cannot even, like, stomach anything that, you know, any positive words about WWE right now?
00:18:38
Speaker
Okay, first of all, I just have to say, Sheena, you knew you were putting the cheese out for the trolls. Oh yeah. You knew the backlash that was going to come. Oh, 100%. And let me just tell you, this kind of backlash and this sort of response is what started a multi-year feud with myself and Samoa Joe.
00:18:57
Speaker
Oh, so I like I started being really like I made a comment about Samoa Joe and the trolls just went off like and I had I had said really nice things about Samoa Joe like all up until then you know this was before the podcast this was literally strictly from Twitter and I made one
00:19:13
Speaker
like ill remark of Samoa Joe, the indie darling, right? And like the trolls went wild. So I spent the next like two years just trolling people with straight up Samoa Joe hate, you know, and I was like, dude, I was like, they're about to make me like have to start a few with seeing punk on the internet. So that, you know, just like troll these people. But yeah, I definitely I definitely baited baited them up. So yeah, I wasn't surprised to see, you know, I wasn't surprised. I poked the bear, you know,
00:19:40
Speaker
I mean, as far as like AEW fans who just shit on everything WWE, I have a couple of different takes on that because on one hand, you like what you like. I get everyone says, you can like both. You can like AEW and you can like WWE. And I agree with that. If you like both, great. But I also think if you don't like either, you can like what you like.
00:20:10
Speaker
But if you spend your whole time just being negative against one product, I find that kind of odd that you would want to just...
00:20:19
Speaker
There's a lot of tribalism in pro wrestling fandom. Definitely. Definitely. And I think, you know, you like what you like. Now me, obviously, if you're a diehard wrestling fan, like all of us are, you were a WWE fan at some point in your life. Like, I grew up loving WWE. I grew up loving NWA and WCW. I've been watching for probably 34 years. I'm 37 and my earliest memory is
00:20:49
Speaker
Andre the giant choking out Bob Euchre. You know, I've been, that's, so it's like, I was at WrestleMania four. Yeah. Like I love WWE. It, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for WWE, but I will say like, although there are things that I enjoy in WWE.
00:21:07
Speaker
Right now, I feel like it's gotten to a point where I don't feel like it's for me anymore. It's not that I hate on it, and we point out the negatives in it, but I'll also point out the things I love. I think Reigns is great. I'm a hot take. I'm loving what Baron Corbin's doing. I love the... Yeah, I don't hate that either. I do get the hell out of that. I love sad Baron. Yeah, I love sad Baron. Edge, the whole brood thing I popped for.
00:21:34
Speaker
You know, I enjoy when it's good, but I'm not going to, I feel like on both sides, AEW and WWE fans, there's a lot of people that just want to, it's almost like politics. They want to dig their heels in the sand and just support everything blindly.
00:21:52
Speaker
Even with AEW, we try to call out the things that we don't like, we call out. Like when Miro was doing the video game stuff, we were critical of it. We're not just going to blindly support everything on either side of the ball. What do you think, Sneed? Well, I think when we talked about it a lot about how back in the day it was, if you're a wrestling fan, it almost
00:22:12
Speaker
It was a camaraderie between finding another wrestling fan. And now it seems like the internet with the IWC has kind of put a riff between wrestling fans. And I hate that because you should just watch what you like and.
00:22:28
Speaker
and just be a fan of what you want to be a fan of. There's so much out there. You don't have to be negative. Just like what you like. Yeah. And it's funny because this doesn't, this doesn't really exist in any other universe than just like, you don't say like, Oh, you watch baseball? Like, Ew, like, you know, I watch football. Like that doesn't, that's not really a thing that happens or like with TV shows. You know what I mean? Like people aren't like, Oh my God, you're watching, you know, the office. Like you should be watching friends. I don't know. You know what I mean? Like it just doesn't,
00:22:57
Speaker
I think the closest parallel is Marvel and DC Comics. There's not any hatred. I think people that like Marvel generally also like DC and vice versa. There's a mutual respect for both sides, from both sides. I remember being a kid in elementary school and being made fun of because you were a wrestling fan. Don't you know that stuff's fake? And finding another wrestling fan, it was like,
00:23:23
Speaker
putting armor on, like, oh, you're one of us. And now it's like, what do you like? You like WWE? Do you like AEW? Like, I don't care what you like. You love pro wrestling. You're one of us. Yeah, exactly. Going back to, yeah, so I'm the same age as you guys. I'll turn 37 in November. And I remember, like, you just kind of sparked a memory for me about the wrestling fan stuff. Like, because I'm the same way, man. I watched wrestling from really the moment I was watching TV. I was watching wrestling.
00:23:51
Speaker
I had like a, uh, three or two or three friends that were really good wrestling fans as well. And by the time middle school rolled around, that's when the attitude era kind of kicked off. And you had people come out of the woodworks rocking Steve Austin shirts and DX shirts. And I remember like me and my like good wrestling friends, like we just judged the hell out of them. We're like, these guys are posers. You know what I mean? Where were you at? Well, you know, when Damien Demento was main eventing the first episode of Monday Night Raw, you know,
00:24:13
Speaker
Where were you when Max Moon was coming up through the mid-card? So you were the problem. Here you were. People were just coming in. I was a gatekeeper big time. People were coming in trying to embrace this thing that you had probably made fun of for liking before. And then now you're like, you're separating them because you're just above them for watching longer. I didn't think I was above them. I was just like, these guys aren't real. They'll be gone in a couple of years. And sure as shit, when Rock went to Hollywood and Steve Austin had to
00:24:42
Speaker
had to head off into the sunset early because of his neck, you know, they all started falling off. So you're supposed to, the real ones understand. You're supposed to, you're supposed to take them in as fellow wrestling fans, not look down. Yeah. Put them under, put them under your wing and teach them, teach them the history, you know, maybe they would have stayed and watched after the rock left and after. Exactly. Trade some tapes with them. Show them where they can't, you know, where this all came from.
00:25:05
Speaker
When I told you guys I can't I can't maybe it was on turnbuckle I can't remember if it was on I think it may actually been when I was on one of the debate shows or if it was on this show I used to I told you guys I had all my wrestling figures unless it was like one or two of my friends were coming over all that shit went into my closet when my Whenever like most of my friends
00:25:23
Speaker
They went in my closet with the door shut. And like, you know, if one of my friends happened to open the closet, I was like, what the hell is this stuff? I was just like, oh, it's my little brother's man. He just keeps it there for storage. You're still like that. Like you work with people who have no idea that you watch wrestling and like or have a wrestling podcast. Like, you know, yeah. Only one person I work with knows about the knows about the the Chick Foley show, man. It's completely kayfabe that I'm the same way.
00:25:47
Speaker
Yeah, I'm a year deep on this just cuz I mean that's not it's not that I'm embarrassed by being a wrestling fan I mean I wear wrestling shirts to work basically every single day. I
SummerSlam Event Critiques
00:25:56
Speaker
just I want to be able to speak freely, you know Yeah, yeah, I want to be able to bitch a little bit about stuff on here And I don't want to risk people at work being like hey man. I heard what she said
00:26:09
Speaker
All right. Uh, let's get it somewhat back on track, man. So CM Punk debuted. That was, that was cool. Hell of a moment. It was electric bite by anybody's account. Um, SummerSlam was the next night. First off, I love Saturday pay-per-view. Sheena, tell us how much better Saturday is than Sunday for pay-per-views.
00:26:26
Speaker
Oh man, Saturday is just so much more money, dude. You don't have to like, you know, because especially, oh my God, especially for this card that felt like it was just going on and on and on and just would not end. So like, you know, if it was... I would have tapped out if it was a Sunday. You know, I feel no... I don't feel guilty at all about saying that. You still had to go to work though. Like that was the thing that you ended up having to go to work anyway. You know, normally you're off on the weekends, but yeah, it was one of those weird days where Seth had to work on Sunday. So like,
00:26:52
Speaker
By the end of it, by 11 o'clock Eastern time, we were like, dude, what the hell? How do we still have two matches left? Are you f'ing kidding me? The drip sticks get, I had a visceral reaction to that. I was like, I cannot believe we're doing this at 11 o'clock. I posted that on Twitter or on Instagram and also got freaking roasted for that. The other way, Miz and Morrison are great. They're awesome. They just haven't been used properly. I'm like, I don't care. I have no beef with Miz or Morrison.
00:27:18
Speaker
But this belongs on monday night, right? Like why are we doing a pure water ad right now with the freaking drip sprayer? Whatever the hell that would have been perfectly fine. They let them crash the set of like the preshow. Yeah, that shit, but it was ridiculous and it was and it was an ad like it was literally like an ad rate like so it was just like they got to slide this in here, you know, it was
00:27:38
Speaker
I mean, the only thing, every time I see something like that on a pay-per-view or even on Raw, any show could be AEW, could be SmackDown, could be Raw. I always go back and think of what Eric Bischoff says, and wrestling is a buffet.
00:27:54
Speaker
Um, and it's, there's different types of foods, the foods that you like. I was full at 10 o'clock. Exactly. So like this thing that you like. Yeah, that's what I mean. So like, there's a thing for everybody. So like that obviously wasn't for us.
00:28:09
Speaker
Uh, I didn't, I didn't really think it wasn't even, it wasn't even the content. So here, let me, let me just like, it wasn't the content of what it is. I expect that from those guys, you know, Xavier, it was the placement and it was the fact that the pay-per-view was already running over time. Like there was so many things. Like why did we need Shinsuke's entrance when he wasn't even wrestling? You know what I mean? Like going back to Marco's buffet point. I like Shinsuke coming out and celebrating.
00:28:33
Speaker
But when the show's already running longer, like why are we doing that? And then they're just, you just show a, you know, packet, like a video package. I just thought it was just ridiculous. That's the problem. I think is the problem I have with WWE pay-per-views, there's too much in between junk.
00:28:50
Speaker
Yeah, too many like recaps and this and that because if you really break down all the match length times like that show wouldn't have been that long if there wasn't so much in between. There's no reason for the wrestling to be over three hours, three hours like the tippy top like it should be three hours and out of there.
00:29:09
Speaker
For sure. But the problem is that Raw is three hours every single week, so if the pay-per-views are only three hours, it's not special. I have no problem with a four-hour show if it's good. If you go on Cadeside Seats, they always do a good breakdown after the pay-per-views of the actual ring time. Typically, it's between 38% and 45% of the actual pay-per-view is in-ring action.
00:29:29
Speaker
Yeah, that's crazy. The other, the great, the best thing about last year too, uh, with WWE, cause everything was like pre taped was the pay-per-views are off like at seven and they were done by like nine 30.
00:29:41
Speaker
Yeah, it's seven o'clock. Yeah. Seven o'clock start time. Nine thirty. Paper view is over and you'd be like, what the hell am I going to do for the rest of the day? This is crazy. But, you know, like one, does it just to hop on to like, you know, piggyback of what they're saying? Like, you know, the time all that allotted time, you know, could have been used in a match, preferably maybe an actual match, a smackdown women's title match. You know, that kind of, you know, probably went a little bit longer than what it did. I mean, they can use that a lot of time.
00:30:09
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sure they were trying to make up some time because they literally were like fumbling at the last minute to figure out what they were going to do about Sasha Banks not being there. Like, I'm sure they were like, Oh,
Becky Lynch's Return and Impact
00:30:18
Speaker
well, we have this freaking 25 minute match or whatever that we were supposed to have. And now, like we have to fill this time, whereas like, they didn't need to like, you know, they didn't need to fill that space, they could have just like, put it, you know, yeah, had an actual match.
00:30:32
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Uncle Dave reported that Becky's not really going to be ready for a full ring return until October. It was last minute. Everything I've heard says Becky was literally a last minute thing. They call whoever does their t-shirts and have their t-shirts made within 48 hours of the show. That's pretty impressive. It's even more fuel for the fire for the fans out there.
00:30:57
Speaker
One thing I think they could do to really cut down on the time man So this is this used to be something that was like half the time It was like the best part of pay-per-view was the video packages like you guys had mentioned a couple minutes ago The video packages are awesome. Like whoever is stitching those together for WWE. They're incredible, but every match doesn't need
00:31:16
Speaker
I mean, you should have like one or two matches on the show that have the full production of like, you know, the dramatic video and voiceovers and stuff. Yeah, your major stories. Give them to the major stories you don't need. I mean,
00:31:33
Speaker
The do drop. Yes. Alexa. We don't need a video package. Yeah, exactly. 100%. You could do that stuff on the pre-show too. Like instead of having them just like rattle on about what they want to see, like you could play those video packages and get the people watching the pre-show caught up ready to watch the pay-per-view instead of like before every single match showing that. You know what I mean? Use that pre-show time slot more effectively.
00:32:00
Speaker
They usually do that anyway at the pre-show. They play all the feuds and stuff leading up to the pay-per-view. Yeah, and then you got to watch it. You got to spend another 40 plus minutes during the actual event and watch them again. Yeah, exactly. Silly. All right. There's definitely a ton of fat on some of these shows for WWE.
00:32:18
Speaker
We did learn that Money in the Bank next year is going to be back in Allegiant Stadium. Marco, what'd you think of the setup there for first time in the Raiders' new stadium for WWE? How'd you like it with the stage and everything? It was a pretty cool setup, I thought. The ramp was pretty long. It wasn't really a ramp. It was more of a yellow brick road type of deal. The only thing I noticed was Goldberg was already
00:32:47
Speaker
can't think by the time he walked out that whole thing. I mean, John Cena's a great chibi, ran that whole thing, which is pretty awesome. Didn't even break a sweat. But yeah, I actually like that. It kind of reminded me of the Royal Rumble.
00:33:02
Speaker
set up that they had where they're kind of like the dugout. But obviously, that was a short one. Yeah, that seems to be the... For whatever reason, that seems to be the thing for WWE. If they're in a baseball stadium, it's like no stage. They just set up some screens and let them come out. That's pretty cool. One thing that did kind of suck, they need to figure out before Money in the Bank is the pyro, man. I know some people don't think pyro is a big deal. I think pyro just adds a lot to the presentation. Yeah. What about you, Chad? Are you a pyro guy?
00:33:26
Speaker
100 percent. I'm a stage guy. Like I get that they're in. They're probably doing it to maximize seating because when you put that stage in there, it eliminates so many seats. So I get that. But dude, when I see a big show.
00:33:42
Speaker
This is SummerSlam. I want an epic stage. I like seeing these guys come out above the crowd looking like gods. When you put them just coming out of a long walkway, I feel like it loses some of the just pomp and circumstance of it. Yeah, I agree. There's a little bit of a throwback quality. Some of those old MSG shows, those are cool, but I'll always be a sucker for the big stages. Yeah.
00:34:10
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. Me and Sheena were in the house for WrestleMania 33 and to me that's still my all-time favorite with the big roller coaster. It was cool, but man, they did not plan that very well because the people that were sitting right beside that huge ramp literally could not see anything. It was like 30 feet off the ground. You had maybe like an 85 degree field of vision. If the wrestlers went to one side of the ring, you weren't seeing shit.
00:34:35
Speaker
I was just like, I was like, Oh my gosh. When we were seeing people's pictures from that, it was crazy. Another thing though, I don't know. Um, did all you guys hear about like the freaking wifi issues and stuff? And they were like, they couldn't serve food. They couldn't serve. It's like, it's an entirely system at Allegiant and their internet went down. So yeah.
00:34:52
Speaker
They were actually giving people free hot dogs. And then that got out of control and then they just shut it down. Like, you know, people were getting free food and then so then they just, they were like, okay, screw this. We can't give these, we can't give these ravenous wrestling fans free food. They said it's free hot dogs in the fans. Like it just emptied out. Like there was at one point, there was like two people watching the mask because they're everyone, they're free hot dogs. Yeah. So they, they just stopped serving any sort of food, food and beverage. And yeah, so there was no wifi. Um, it was, it was a freaking mess. Somebody, somebody tweeted that the toilets were overflowing. Okay.
00:35:21
Speaker
It was just a hot mess at Allegiant Stadium. Going back to the stage of Sneads, what is your all-time favorite entrance stage? I think Snead dropped out. Snead abandoned us. He dipped on us. It looks like he's coming back in, though. Okay. Well, Chad, you're filming in today. He went for the hot tag and Snead got swept off the ring apron, man. Yeah, he wasn't there. All-time favorite stage?
00:35:50
Speaker
Yeah, man. I really liked, but I'm a sucker for the city it was in. I really liked 30 man. WrestleMania 30. Yeah. I love the big Florida Lee, New Orleans, the purple and green and gold. I love, I'm a sucker for that city. I just love that city and the vibe and the colors. And I think they really captured that New Orleans vibe for that show. I love that. Love that stage.
00:36:19
Speaker
Yeah, good choice. Sheena, what was the match of the night? I liked Edge versus Rollins. I feel like that was, I mean, clearly I like, you know, Roman and, you know, Cena, but I think Edge versus Rollins was definitely the match of the night. It was just nonstop action. I love the storytelling with, you know, Rollins just freaking dominating
00:36:39
Speaker
Edge's poorly, his surgically repaired neck. Then Edge hit that freaking suicide dive through the ropes. It was awesome. I love seeing that darker side of Edge. He was literally just slamming Seth Rollins head into the mat until he was ready to submit. That brood entrance popped me. I thought that was just a really cool touch with all the fire. I loved it. It was so good.
00:37:04
Speaker
It was so good. When he came out with the black shades, I was getting Lost Boys near dark vibes for all the horror movie fans. He had that just grimacing look on his face. Man, I love Edge. So good. Yeah.
00:37:20
Speaker
That was really, really awesome. That that theme, it still slaps, man, to this day, like it was just such such an incredible friggin entrance. That was my match of the night, too. I will say that. I think that was the day he's back. Yeah. And yeah, I dropped out for a second. I couldn't get it to come back. But yeah, so that was I love the way they did the brood and then went into his you think you know me. Yes. Yeah. Mash up with it was really, really good.
00:37:48
Speaker
Hell yeah. Yeah, that was, I think that's probably Edge's best match since he's been back also. I love that match. Still bummed Seth lost. Roman and Cena, I feel like they need to switch it up a little bit. They went with the classic WWE style main event that Triple H kind of patented where it's a really slow start and then it just builds to the near falls. I feel like they should have done something like, you know, let Cena hit an AA right away or something to really electrify the crowd and get him into it. Because they were tired by that point.
00:38:18
Speaker
Yeah, they were tired and I just felt like it kind of took me out of the match a little bit. Something that took points away from me is John Cena just not taking that match as seriously as I thought he should be taking it. Like I feel like he was kind of doing that like John Cena, like jokey, jovial, you know, um, like persona that he has when it's just like, dude, first of all, you're fighting to be like the, the record holder for most world titles. You know what I mean? Like this should mean something to you. Also you're here to take down
00:38:46
Speaker
the freaking best in the world. Sorry, CM Punk, the best in the world. Um, and, uh, I just feel like, I don't know, he should have been more in the game, you know? I'm gonna, I'm gonna combat you on that a little bit because that was the whole storyline was John Cena was not taking
00:39:03
Speaker
I know. And I didn't like that at all. That took me out of the whole build for it. I feel like he should have come in and been like, you know, I've been watching you. And, you know, you used to be the guy who fumbled your fumbled your promos and, you know, the guy that they were cramming down everybody's throat. Nobody wanted to see. And now you you've commanded everybody's attention and you've shown what you're capable of. And like, I'm here to knock you back down a peg versus like, you know, like, you know, I've been watching like, you know, I just felt like I didn't I didn't like that. I didn't like that. I liked it.
00:39:32
Speaker
I like the fact that it took some of the weight away. Like, yeah, the weight of the moment like it didn't, you know, it should have felt like, like Sheena said, he was coming to take that 17th reign. And, you know, he was playing the hits leading up to it. He was giving us those classic Cena takedowns on the mic with him and Roman. But
00:39:55
Speaker
there was a level of, I'm not really back that came through it for me. That made me not feel, you know? A hundred percent. Yeah, that's exactly it. It just felt, yeah, I felt like he wasn't in it to win it. Like it wasn't, he wasn't fully in the game. Um, and he wasn't because he's gone again. He literally just tweeted out like, you know, thanks for having me back, but see you when I see you.
00:40:19
Speaker
Yeah, he was there. He was there to me strictly to be a notch on Roman Reigns belt. Yeah. Yes. Damn. That's pretty. That's all he was there wrong. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. It seems like it was just a one off, too, because we'll talk about Brock coming back a little bit later on. But even, you know, Brock attacks, you know, all that was off air. So they're not building anything else. I think that was just something to kind of send the fans home happy. Marco,
Bianca Belair's Quick Loss Analysis
00:40:44
Speaker
what was your letdown of the night? Oh, boy. Can't wait. This is gonna be fun.
00:40:47
Speaker
I mean, to me, there's only one letdown of the night. And that was obviously the return of Becky Lynch and the squashing of Bianca Belair. That was a huge letdown. I think for a lot of people, just gauge has been so over, man, it was just such a it was it was shades of Kofi having this epic rain and rock in less than 10 seconds.
00:41:15
Speaker
Yeah, so I mean, it's, you know, they built, they built Bianca Belair up to the she's, I mean, they didn't have to build her up. She's obviously probably the most athletic person that they have in WWE, male or female. Just because of you know, obviously, if you've seen her, her documentary on
00:41:34
Speaker
the network at the time, you know, you know, her track record, no pun intended with that. But there was, I mean, super strong, super athletic. She's, she's done so many things since she's had the title, just like feats of strength. I've seen her carry Otis on her shoulders.
00:41:53
Speaker
across lines during that. Maybe they had that obstacle course with a tiny Becky Lynch coming in and smacking her and doing a pump handle slam and taking the title. I think she just caught her off guard. No, no, no.
00:42:08
Speaker
It wasn't that Bianca is, you know, weak or not. It couldn't take Becky Lynch down. It was just, it was completely like, in my eyes, I saw it from Bianca Belair's perspective that she was just in awe. Like, Oh wow. Like, you know, this is the, the Becky Lynch is back. You know what I mean? Like, you know, they teased Carmella at first and Carmella came out and was doing her thing. And then when Becky came out, it was kind of like, you know, I think Bianca was like, Oh my gosh, like I got another baby face here. You know, like, this is the, and then it was just like,
00:42:35
Speaker
To me, to me, that to me, that's a cop out. Yeah, that's awful. That's an awful team. You know, if Bianca Belair, if Bianca Belair is the woman with the belt, she used to and she's not. Yeah, she's the ESG. She's not going to be shook. She's not going to be shook by someone. She's she's going to take all comers. Yeah, let me jump in.
Becky Lynch's Storytelling and Future
00:42:56
Speaker
She should. She defeated Sasha Banks at WrestleMania at the main event. She defeated Bailey twice. The longest reigning Smackdown champion.
00:43:05
Speaker
But those are both heels, you know what I mean? She's out here thinking like, this is like, you know, Becky Lynch is like her, you know, comrade, you know, and she's like, Oh man, like, you know, this is so cool to see the man here. The champ who lost the, who never lost her title, you know, had to, had to, you know, revoke her title. Just call for what it was. It was like devil's advocate, just to play devil's advocate. You know, there's been reports that came out that Becky wants to be a heel.
00:43:31
Speaker
I'm with you, Marco. I'm with you, Marco. I think I didn't like this. I thought it was bad for Bianca. I thought it was definitely the Kofi situation all over again, but
00:43:45
Speaker
If you're going to make Becky Lynch a heel, have her come in and squash your baby face. She's going to get booed out of the building whenever she's there. Let me be clear, I did not love this. This was not ideal booking. I was prepared in my mind to see Sasha and Bianca just tear the freaking house down.
00:44:09
Speaker
That's what I was built up for. Then Carmella came through and sucked the air out of the room. Then when Becky finally came out, it was a legit surprise. It wasn't like everybody was speculating, oh, Becky's going to be back for this match or whatever. She just showed up.
00:44:25
Speaker
And I just feel like I didn't love it. But I mean, it's what we got. So I'm hoping that it leads to something interesting. And to me, in my personal opinion, everybody's like, oh, they buried her. They made Bianca look weak. I didn't get that vibe. I don't think Bianca is weak for losing that match. I still think Bianca is a badass and can literally take the title at any turn. So I'm not thinking like, oh, well, she's just a jobber now or she's just going to find her way to living in the middle of the midcard. I hope that doesn't happen. I mean, clearly, we don't know what the booking is going to be.
00:44:55
Speaker
I don't think, like I didn't get that vibe and I know a lot of people did, but I did not. Yeah, I got the, I got that vibe and the, uh, the just, just that news too, like she's not going to be back to like October is pretty horrible as well. So, you know, you're not going to have a title for a whole month.
00:45:11
Speaker
I mean, she's going to be there. It's going to keep them apart. And then it's not going to be like what we normally have with a title feud where it's like they're fighting every week on Raw and do these stupid tag matches and do all this stuff that you know. You mean like on, yeah, like with Charlotte and Nikki. Exactly. And then when they finally do face off, it's going to feel like a big moment. It's going to be like, oh, damn, this is what we've been waiting for.
00:45:34
Speaker
So is Becky not going to be there just in match, like in a match capacity? This is all from, this is from uncle Dave. So take everything with a grain of salt. But he said that before Saturday, WWE, Becky was always going to make some sort of appearance.
00:45:52
Speaker
SummerSlam obviously we can we can fantasy book whatever that was actually gonna be But they were not expecting her to be back in ready like you a hundred percent until they weren't planning Yeah, there's always ways you could book around it You know you could set up some sort of you know tag team matches or a triple threat where she doesn't have to do a whole lot I mean, it's wrestling so it's not like it's you know the NFL There's ways you can work around whatever
00:46:16
Speaker
You know what I mean? Like, you know, she could take a bump, a bump without being like, you know, I mean, she didn't, she had a baby, you know, she didn't like tear her ACL. You know what I mean? Not that not having, not that having a baby. She shoots hard on moms. Oh my God. That's not what I'm saying. Clearly. All right, geez.
00:46:35
Speaker
Mom on mom crime. It takes a long time to be ready, especially in that capacity where you're literally going to get, you know, be professional athlete level ready. Okay. I, I not discrediting Becky at all, but I'm just saying she doesn't have an injury. So I'm sure she could take like a bump and she can be there. She's not hurt. You know what I mean? She just needs time. Her body needs time to fully be back at fighting capacity and be ring ready. You know, I think the other thing too. Oh, go ahead.
00:47:02
Speaker
I was just going to say, I think the final word on the way that match went down is really going to be in the follow up. You know, if if Becky comes out on Smackdown and and just rails against the fans and, you know, puts down Bianca and builds her up as this underdog babyface that everyone wants to get behind, then I'm going to be with it. But if
Brock Lesnar's Return
00:47:27
Speaker
she's not going the complete full on heel route, I'm going to question that 26 second match. Yeah.
00:47:32
Speaker
100%. Yeah. She's got to go. She's got to go full blown heel. It's not going to work as a tweener. It's not going to work how she was kind of playing back and forth, you know, before like it's, she's got to go full blown. Yeah. The other, if she was ready for entering work, I think Bianca definitely deserved to have a match.
00:47:48
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. Yes. The other the other thing, too, is I think we spoke about this. I'm not sure if we spoke about it on the debate or maybe before it. The crowd after that happened was completely dead. They were dead. It was confused for the rest of the show. Like that match.
00:48:04
Speaker
Yeah, I totally missed it. I like it happened so fast that I can't remember what I was doing. I was looking down or something. And then all of a sudden Becky holds up the championship and I saw I said, I was like, dude, what the what just freaking happened? Like what happened? So that kind of shot. Yeah, that set the tone for like the rest of the night. Like that was like it like just in shock for first and foremost. And then like you could tell like throughout the rest of the shows, like there's no crowd reaction. It was like,
00:48:29
Speaker
No, it was bad. I don't know. Edge and Seth came on after that, right? The brood entrance brought it back a little bit. It was weird. To me, one thing you got to remember, it is a business. They got the moment with Becky's return. I think that was going to top that. Now you got people wanting to see Bianca and Becky go at it. I'm excited to see them have a real 15 to 20 minute match.
00:48:53
Speaker
So why burn it all in one night? But I agree. There was definitely a better way they could have done it. They did the same thing when Seth returned back in 2016. When people come back, WWE always has this tendency to want to go against what the fans want. The fans were ready to cheer Seth back then. They were ready to cheer Becky on Saturday night. But for whatever reason, WWE feels like they got to go against it and try to fight against the crowd.
00:49:19
Speaker
That's a bigger issue though that we could, I'm sure we could spend hours talking about why Vince feels the need to do that. What I want to do, I want to get the truth from our hardcore AEW fans here, the Kings of AEW podcasting. The night ended with Roman beating John Cena, clean as a sheet.
00:49:38
Speaker
And then as he's celebrating, you hear that classic distorted electric guitar and Brock freaking Lesnar comes out rocking a mohawk ponytail combo looking crazy, man. And in his boot cut jeans and his black is tucked in black tank top. Tell the truth. Don't lie. We're amongst friends and family here. Tell the truth. You guys were hoping when Brock came back, it was going to be an AEW, right?
00:50:04
Speaker
Honestly, no, like I thought I was so glad he came back to WWE because here's the thing with Lesnar, he would be good for AEW on a short term sheer Papa number type of scenario.
00:50:21
Speaker
but I don't think Lesnar is good for that locker room. AEW is all about the culture of the locker room. Everyone vibes there. It's laid back.
00:50:35
Speaker
Lesnar is a bona fide prize fighter. He's there for the money. I think he likes pro wrestling. I definitely think he respects the business. He came up under the undertakers. I think he gets a lot of flack for not putting people over when I think Lesnar puts over the right people.
00:50:58
Speaker
Yeah, I'm so behind that, but I don't think he fits the culture of the AEW locker room, so I was honestly worried. I was very worried that they were going to sign him just for the number, so I was stoked.
00:51:12
Speaker
I thought that's where the Lambert angle was going. I thought that's what they were building to, you know, that eventually he's going to bring in Brock Lesnar to be his guy. I was worried about that. Yeah, it seemed like they were teasing it. I'd be interested to hear. I mean, you got to think at some point somebody from AW had to have reached out to Brock Lesnar's camp, right? At least put a feeler out. Well, for sure. They would have to talk to Paul Heyman because he's his real life manager. So they definitely had to have spoken to him at some point.
00:51:41
Speaker
All right. And they didn't know Brock was going to be there. I was going to say real quick that they didn't even know Brock was kind of a surprise from everything that I've heard. Like Roman didn't even know Brock was, was coming out. I've heard a few people say that like they, you know, it was shoot. They didn't know if Brock was going to be there. And then like during the match, he just like came, he came through to gorilla and was like, you know, all right, well I'm here, you know, they didn't know if he was going to make it. So yeah, if that's true, that's pretty freaking cool that they just like pulled that off at the last minute. Yeah.
00:52:10
Speaker
Steve, were you wanting to see Brock show up on a dynamite? No, and that's the thing. You know, I agree with what Chad said, but because one thing I've heard Brock say is that when he comes in, you know, I have no doubt that he loves the business, but I've heard him say, you know, I fly in, I do my match, I get out of the ring and leave. I don't have friends there. I don't have, I don't stick around. That's a job. And I just don't feel like that's the culture at AEW. And I don't feel like of course he would be good for, you know, that one.
00:52:39
Speaker
to show appearance where he's going to get the, the, the ratings pop, but I just don't think it was good for the locker room. All right. I'm surprised to hear that, man. I still, I still think you guys are fibbing. If you didn't want to at least see, uh, if we're just talking to suplex city one time, if we're talking purely on, let's see a match, like seeing him go against
00:53:01
Speaker
Kenny Omega. I mean, come on. That would be awesome, dude. That would be fun. Long-term, it wouldn't be good. If this was a company that had been around for 20 years, established itself, but I think Tony Khan doesn't get enough credit for the chess moves he makes because when you make a move like that,
00:53:25
Speaker
with a company this young, it could be detrimental. They have something going very good and little missteps here and there of signing the wrong guy who's going to kind of poison the locker room. That could be detrimental to your overall product in the long term. I think even though my inner fandom is like, oh my God, could you imagine a David versus Goliath, Jungle Boy versus Lesnar? Give me all that.
00:53:51
Speaker
And Brock works so good with smaller people, too. I feel like he does a really good job just making it believable and making people buy into the David and Goliath situation. You know, and Snead's hard on Lesnar. I tend to like Lesnar, but still yet, I don't want him in AEW. I agree. I don't want him in
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00:54:13
Speaker
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00:54:49
Speaker
Is it weird hearing your own voices? I know you guys love vibing to that every week. Oh, we do. We do. We actually do. It puts me in the mood. I'm like, oh, yeah, let's go. Let's keep podcasting, dude.
Royal Rumble Segment
00:55:06
Speaker
We're going to get a new one going soon, so we'll have a new one for you guys. Oh, wow. Nice. Not to do it without the words. Yeah, I know. Make sure it's as smooth and it hits as hard as the OG. Yeah, it needs to go down as easy as the other one. That's right. So it's time for the Royal Rumble segment. So this is where I'm going to tee the guys up with a quick prompt, and they got 30 seconds to give us their take on it. So Chad, you're up first, man. Tell me who you are most excited to see CM Punk face in AEW.
00:55:36
Speaker
Honestly, I would have to go Kenny Omega. I think if they build that right, Kenny Omega is the ultimate... People love him right now. He embodies the spirit of AEW. If he is the guy to take that title off of Omega, I want Hangman to be that guy, but as far as just getting a crowd reaction pop, I mean, that feud done the right way could be pretty damn awesome.
00:56:06
Speaker
All right, comes through
Character Presentation in WWE
00:56:07
Speaker
with time to spare. I can't argue with that. All right, so Sheena, what's that? I said I can't argue with that. That would be awesome. Yeah, it would be a hell of a match. All right, Sheena, you're up next.
00:56:17
Speaker
What I want you to do is she's already got the prompt. That's why she's giggling right now. We'll break kayfabe. I give the guys what their topic's going to be ahead of time so they can think on a little bit. All right, Sheena, give me your live review on Karrion Kross' new ring attire and entrance. Oh, god.
00:56:38
Speaker
I mean, I posted it on IG that, uh, you know, Karrion came out looking like a Sultan demolition love child, you know? I mean, this just, this just further proves Adam Cole, right? You know, that without Scarlett, without like the theatrical entrance and the smoke and production, Karrion Kross is literally just a guy, you know? Like they panicked when he didn't move the needle for Raw. So Vince like went into his like boxo gimmicks and recycled a 35 year old gimmick and was like, you know, we'll put this mask on this guy. And they're not taking a shot at Karrion's.
00:57:06
Speaker
in green work rate, but without all the production, he's just create a player number five. Yeah. I don't know. I've said from the start that I always thought that Scarlett was the real star of that act.
00:57:22
Speaker
I don't know if I know as far as to call Kerry and Cross, create a player number five. So I preface that statement with saying like his in-ring work is really good, you know, but I mean, without all the production, I mean, he just, he needs a charisma course or something, you know, like it's just, he kind of just doesn't have,
00:57:37
Speaker
like Scarlett is his charisma, she is his mystique, she is his like, you know, draw. And without that, and then they put him, I know I'm going over the 30 seconds, but I got to speak on this because I did a couple, I did a real and a post about this. So it's obviously, I'm really passionate about it. They put him in this like crisscross, like BDSM type, like top. And I'm just going to say like, Kerian is in amazing shape. Like, I mean, anybody that's in Kerian Cross's physical shape should be proud of themselves.
00:58:05
Speaker
But that kind of gear like does not look good on you unless you're like either like Drew McIntyre, who's like humongous, just like swole to, you know, high heaven, or you got to be like a Vader type, you know, like that's like huggable and big. And I feel like he's kind of like right there in between and the gear just swallowed him and made him look goofy.
00:58:27
Speaker
They got to let him be him. Yeah, I mean, that's my biggest problem with it. Not to like add on and put us over time or anything, but they got to let him be him. I mean, he doesn't have to be charismatic. If you watched him in impact and his his indie promos that he would film himself, this guy is he's got something. He's a Bray Wyatt type of creative. And you're going to stick this dude in a gladiator Sultan 2.0 outfit. Come on, man.
00:58:56
Speaker
It just felt like it was, it just felt like it was a try hard moment. You know, like they were literally just trying to just throw something at the wall and see what sticks. It didn't seem like it was organic at all. Yeah. We are entering the new, new generation. Yeah. Well, not to, not to add, keep on adding on to this cause it's going to go a little bit longer. Yeah. Sorry. You get your moment in the spotlight.
00:59:16
Speaker
We have that so that in the interview with Ariel Halwani and Nick Khan, they spoke about a lot of sales and being able to sell WWE, essentially not selling like the actual company, but just like selling it to like promoters and
00:59:33
Speaker
Different you know types of like advertise or stuff like that so like literally everyone has to have a gimmick or something that is as attractive to to Like an advertiser marketable. Yeah marketable So that's so you're gonna start seeing a lot of people that weren't as colorful or as like, you know out there you're gonna get it to a attic you're gonna settle you're gonna see a lot more toy eddic people and
01:00:00
Speaker
Popping up there. I can see that. I know it's
Potential AEW Appearances
01:00:03
Speaker
a business. I'm not trying to shoot hard on Karian. Like I said, I take everything with a grain of salt and I try to have a little fun around here. I'm not being serious, but it didn't do it for me. It's not it. Other than that, he's just Goldberg. Essentially what Nick Khan's saying, we're entering a downtime. This is going to be a period that we look back on and be like, man, remember that? Yeah.
01:00:27
Speaker
All right, Sneed, Sheena, Marco, and Chad are doing their best to kill the Royal Rumble gimmick. So let's get us back on track, man. We got three gigantic free agents kind of floating out there right now. Adam Cole, Bray Wyatt, and Daniel Bryan, or Bryan Danielson, as I guess he's going to go by going forward. Who would you most like to see show up at All Out?
01:00:52
Speaker
Okay. So since all three, isn't an option, I'll have to pick one and I'm going to go Adam Cole. I think Daniel Bryan's going to be good for the Arthur Ash show and Bray Wyatt's going to be good when he shows up at around Halloween, Adam Cole. I want to see, I'm going to fantasy book the show, you know, riding the wave of him just being on WWE TV. And then coming over, I want to see Omega, the Christian and the four comes out and
01:01:21
Speaker
20 Omega, Adam Cole have a stare down in the ring and then it goes off the air. That would be pretty cool. My one request on that is that Adam Cole shows up in the audience in a puffy white shirt like Lex Luger on the first episode of Nitro Man. I'm here for that.
01:01:41
Speaker
Yeah.
TakeOver 36 Highlights
01:01:44
Speaker
That's the only thing I want to see is just, uh, you know, a little nod to the, uh, you know, the old time pants with some acid wash jeans. All right, Marco, you're up next, man. We've really barely touched on it, which just goes to show you what an amazing weekend of wrestling it was. What was the best match at takeover 36?
01:02:04
Speaker
Oh boy. I almost went with, uh, I did love the Cameron Grimes, uh, LA night, uh, match just cause of the, you know, him winning the title, but you have to give it up to, uh, dragon off and Walter that they beat the living shit out of each other. I'm not even gonna hold back on that one. They, if you, if you see the first, the first match that was on TV, um, that was just a preview of what they did, um, on pay-per-view and it definitely stole the show.
01:02:34
Speaker
Yeah, it was a hell of a match. Behind the scenes news sounds like there's a ton of people that are wanting Walter to go ahead and move up to the main roster of NXT. And I'm ready to see him on Raw or SmackDown going at it with some of those guys. But we know Walter's kind of adverse to going to move into America full time. So that's going to be a bit of a hiccup. All right, Sheena, you got the main event of the Rumble. You ready? I'm ready. All right. We scored
Anticipation for AEW Norfolk Event
01:02:58
Speaker
tickets today, some prime seats to
01:03:01
Speaker
AEW's Norfolk Virginia debut on November 17th. Who are you most excited to see live?
01:03:08
Speaker
I mean, this will be my first live wrestling event since September 2019. I went to SmackDown at the historical Norfolk Sculp. So I'm so hyped. I'm really looking forward to seeing Hangman, you know, the home state hero here. And I don't know, I hope something crazy happens for him since he's in Virginia, but I mean, since this is my first AEW show, I want to see like the Bucks. I'm super excited to see, you know, obviously it's in November, so we don't know what the storylines will be or who will be featured.
01:03:35
Speaker
Darby. Jungle boy. I'm excited to see everybody. I just want to, I want to be at an AEW show and feel the AEW energy because it'll be my first time popping my AEW cherry. I'm stoked. I'm excited for you guys. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. We're looking forward to it. All right. Let's have a drink.
01:04:02
Speaker
All right, it's time for the weekly beverage break. We'll let our guests go first. Chad, what are you drinking tonight? Drinking a West 6th Brewing IPA from Lexington, Kentucky. I got it on a trip. Oh, yeah. Went back, hung out in Lexington, went up to Cincinnati. Anytime I go anywhere outside of the state, I got to go hit the local breweries, get some beers, bring them back, try them out. All right, Sneed, how about you?
01:04:30
Speaker
Yeah, it's a little boring on my end. I have some mineral enhanced purified water. You got your drip stick over there, dude? Yeah. I had to go get my water, yeah. I'm taking a little drive after the show, so I couldn't really crack anything. Hey, listen, I know- Water's great. I respect that. Seth always boos me. You didn't even get the boo. Seth always boos me when I have a sober show, so he must like you more than he likes me. Marco, what are you drinking, man?
01:05:00
Speaker
I am, uh, I started off with a, uh, 11 wrestling earlier in the night and now I'm sipping on a, uh, a, uh, the, the classic, the classic IPA. Uh, yeah, Steve Austin's broken. What IPA get your ass down the road. She know what you're drinking.
01:05:21
Speaker
I am also, I'm not drinking a broken-school IPA, but I am having an IPA. It's called Power Moves IPA by Aslan Beer Company. Really good. It's kind of citrusy, not too hoppy. It's juicy. Yeah, it's a little juicy, so it's good stuff. Highly recommend.
01:05:41
Speaker
Nice. Yeah, I'm drinking a Guinness Baltimore Blonde. I'm not a huge fan of the traditional Guinness stout unless it's like so cold that it hurts your teeth. But yeah, the Baltimore Blonde is pretty good. It's nice, crispy ale, and it's solid. So I think with the beverage break out of the way, we're going to bid adieu to the term vocal tavern. Chad Sneed, remind the listeners where they can find you guys.
01:06:06
Speaker
state. So yeah.
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Thank you guys for having us. Always a blast having you guys on our show. Glad we could finally come on. And just a shout out to the Fig God. We want you on the debate, buddy. We're coming for you soon, man. He'll be stoked to hear that. All right. Thanks guys.
Listener Mail and Gimmick Battle Royal
01:07:12
Speaker
Shane, we got some listener mail this week. Oh yeah.
01:07:21
Speaker
All right, our first question comes in from Zach Hertzler. He says, if WWE brings back the gimmick battle royal, who do you want to win? I'll kick it to you first, Seth. For me, there's only one answer and it's got to be the gobbledygooker, man. He's the all time gimmick wrestler. So yeah, that's an easy one.
01:07:40
Speaker
What about you, Marco? Damn. You stole mine. Let's see. You know what? Since he's kind of back in the Twitterverse, I'm going to go with Adam Baum. Maybe he can come back and throw some of those Nerf bombs into the crowd and hopefully win that gimmick battle royale. Oh, he's not going to do that because he's charging like 80 bucks for those on eBay right now. Yeah. Well, yeah, he's a hill going actually
01:08:09
Speaker
confront each person that caught one and try to get money from them when they catch it. So maybe that'll definitely happen. Yeah. I'm going to go with the gimmick that never was. I'm going to go with the shock master. I want to see the shock master have his moment in the sun since he
01:08:25
Speaker
It was kind of doomed from the start. The next question is, I think it's kind of rhetorical, but it comes from Sam Rosenthal. He says, if Celebrity Deathmatch ever comes back, do we get Tony Khan versus Vince? I would love to see that. I think that would be freaking hilarious. Pretty funny. For those of you who don't know, Celebrity Deathmatch was on MTV back in the day and it was like claymation style wrestling. There was celebrities and they would wrestle and sometimes they'd wrestle real wrestlers and stuff.
01:08:54
Speaker
I wonder if it's streaming anywhere because that had a serious cult following back in the day. Oh yeah. It was fun. I don't remember. I mean, I watched it back then, but looking back on it through this 35-year-old lens or however old I am, I don't even know. I can't remember how PC it actually was back then. Oh no, it wasn't. It wasn't all PC. I can't imagine. I don't know if it would stream anywhere.
01:09:17
Speaker
Anyway, Celebrity Deathmatch, look it up. I'm sure they have the episodes on YouTube for those of you guys who are too young to remember Celebrity Deathmatch.
Wrestling Titles and Dexter Discussion
01:09:24
Speaker
Jay Bone, John Swallow from the Coming Down the Isle podcast says, who is the greatest wrestler to never hold a world title? I'm going to start with you, Seth.
01:09:34
Speaker
greatest wrestler to never hold a world title. I'm gonna say Scott Hall, man. I think Scott Hall. Oh, that's a good shout, yeah. Yeah, he was the coolest, awesome worker, awesome character, great promo. Yeah, I go Scott Hall. Marco, you got anything different?
01:09:51
Speaker
greatest wrestler. Not to go with Piper on that one too. I think he's, even though he didn't need it, I would love to have seen him with the title as a heel and basically brag about how great he is and how he's the best, the greatest champion of all time and all that type of stuff. That would have been pretty cool to see, but yeah. Either him or Jake the Snake, but definitely Roddy Piper.
01:10:17
Speaker
I think Owen should have had a world title at some point, you know? I feel like he was deserved. So I'm gonna go with Owen. Let's see. Oh, Johnny JB says, have you all watched Dexter? If not, what are you waiting for? Of course we watched it. I can speak for myself and Seth. Marco, have you watched Dexter?
01:10:38
Speaker
I haven't watched as a deuce is he like to read? No, I haven't watched. I don't know if they're the reboot is like out yet. I haven't been tracking on that. But if you're talking about vintage Dexter, yes. Yes. I watch vintage Dexter all the time. And the way they botched that ending was just killed Dokes way too early, man. They should have saved Dokes. That should have been the finale of the whole series is Dokes tracking down Dexter. But they burned through that in freaking season two. And they burned through the Trinity Killer to do like that. That would have been another good into it. But yeah.
01:11:06
Speaker
The Trinity Kill, was that John Lithgow? Yes, it was such a good angle. And it was like, so I don't know. It just, you know, those were okay. You know what I mean? Like they, they wrapped him up nicely, but yeah, the ending, like that was before the game of thrones just completely like crushed my heart with their, with their botched ending. Dexter was probably my, my most hated series finale of all time. So yeah, the, the first couple of seasons of Dexter are excellent TV viewing beyond that. You kind of really got to.
01:11:35
Speaker
Suspend your disbelief. But as wrestling fans, we have a lot of practice doing that. So No, no worries. Next question comes in from in ring art our buddy Justin Frank just opened his Etsy shop, by the way So if you follow at in ring art on Instagram, I definitely grab some you know, one-of-a-kind drawings from his Etsy shop good stuff over there He says the house is
Humorous Debates and NXT Suggestions
01:11:56
Speaker
on fire. You got time to grab five wrestling figures
01:12:00
Speaker
What do you say? I'll go Hasbro, Bret Hart. OK. I'm going to go. I think I'm going to go Defining Moments, HBK. OK. I'm going to go. The all white Seth Rollins from SummerSlam 2015. I'm going to go WrestleMania 6 Ultimate Warrior.
01:12:30
Speaker
Okay. And this is tough, man. I think I'm gonna go with my custom cheek foley figure.
01:12:41
Speaker
Oh, you're so sweet. Thanks for putting me over. What about you, Marco? Oh, man, that's, that's rough. Um, dang, definitely. Definitely by, uh, LJN, uh, warrior, um, and the LJN J Y D. So that's two figures. Uh, definitely the rest of media six ultimate warrior. Like Sessa, that's a, that's a definitely a keeper. Um,
01:13:08
Speaker
The last you have to be Cody figures, right? Oh my God. First, I was going to say, I was going to say, Oh, oh, five Cody figures. Of course. So that's what I was going to go with all five. And you can pick five that have been released in the last three months. The other 10 Cody figures are looking at those 10. Like, what did he have that we didn't have? You know, how did they get to be rescued? That's really hard. I had to really think about that. But yeah, that's, those are my three anyway.
01:13:34
Speaker
I'm going with all of my Mad Reaper figures. There's a little, there's a few over five, but you know, everything else can be replaced. Everything else was kind of made on a grander scale, but these are all one of one Mad Reaper custom, you know, pieces of art. So I'm going to grab my elites, my Raven, my gang grill. Denim Bret Hart.
01:13:52
Speaker
Yeah, my denim, my freaking- Chick Foley and ring gear. Canadian God, you know, Bret Hart and my ring gear Chick Foley. So I'm going to grab my Mad Reaper figures and get those out of there because they cannot be replaced. Last question is from Chris LoCito. He says, with NXT rumored to get an overhaul, if you got to rebrand NXT, what would you do? Cheers.
01:14:21
Speaker
It would go back to being one hour long on the network and in full sale every single week including takeovers.
01:14:28
Speaker
I have no beef with that answer at all. Marco, anything to add or? No, the sad thing is they don't, they no longer have a deal with Full Sail, so that's not gonna happen at all. Oh, man. Yeah, no, I can't add to that. Yeah, definitely go back to one hour. I wouldn't like to see them be taken off of TV, but if it helps the brand to just go back to, you know,
01:14:54
Speaker
just a network, essentially, or a peacock. So be it, if it's going to help you grow. The CWC was cool when they first brought it out because it was an improvement over just wrestling in the empty performance center that they were doing. But now the time's gone by. I think the new arena is just kind of oppressive, dude. It's so dark. You got those tall, plexiglass boards.
01:15:18
Speaker
I don't know, man. I just feel like it's kind of depressing, whereas Full Sail was super bright. The crowd was like right there on top of the action being loud as hell. That's what's missing, man, is that Full Sail magic that they had. Yeah. I agree 100%.
Closing Remarks and Social Media Promotions
01:15:31
Speaker
That wraps up our listener mail for this week. Thank you guys so much for sending those in.
01:15:35
Speaker
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01:16:03
Speaker
All right. And remember use code chick Foley at ringside collectibles.com to save 10%. And we are giving away unmatched series one Miro, uh, to one of our lucky Patreons this week. So join up if you have not already Marco, give us the closing words on episode 142. Oh man. Since I'm, since I'm still technically the reigning defending chick Foley show prediction champion on this show, not obviously not the picks league. Um,
01:16:31
Speaker
Same as always, acknowledge me. Wow.