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FinalX Preview and Predictions - Session 83
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We preview the MFS Final X best-of-three matches set to go down this weekend in Newark, NJ! Who will make the US World Team? Who will come up just short? Who is the biggest underdog? Tune in to find out!
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Introduction to the Episode
00:00:00
Reese
I want to talk about, I want to talk about all the cool movies that are coming out.
00:00:01
Cokeley Brothers
Welcome back to the...
00:00:06
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, there's a lot of cool movies coming out and TV shows. All of it.
00:00:08
Ryne
Why can't we hear him? Why can't i hear him?
00:00:11
Cokeley Brothers
I can hear Reese.
00:00:12
Ryne
But I can barely hear him.
00:00:14
Cokeley Brothers
Nah, he sounds fine.
00:00:16
Reese
I sound okay.
00:00:17
Reese
Hello.
00:00:17
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, you sound fine.
00:00:17
Ryne
Now, now you sound way better.
00:00:20
Reese
Okay. All
00:00:22
Cokeley Brothers
he You sound fine all the time, Reese.
00:00:25
Reese
right.
Final X Wrestling Event Discussion
00:00:28
Reese
Let me, uh,
00:00:28
Cokeley Brothers
ah But before before I was interrupted, welcome back to the Barn Session. It's the Coakleys here with another another great episode.
00:00:34
Reese
Nobody interrupted you. You're crazy.
00:00:38
Cokeley Brothers
We're ready to talk about Final X because that's in two days?
00:00:45
Cokeley Brothers
Right?
00:00:47
Reese
Yeah, it is. What time is it?
00:00:49
Ryne
Saturday, flag day.
00:00:49
Cokeley Brothers
Two days.
00:00:51
Reese
What time? Five day.
00:00:53
Reese
That's it. Nothing else. Nothing else is going on that day.
00:00:53
Cokeley Brothers
It's...
00:00:58
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, nothing else is going on that day. ah Final X is...
00:01:05
Reese
Are you going to be in Kansas City, Ryan?
00:01:05
Cokeley Brothers
i don't know.
00:01:08
Ryne
Nope.
00:01:11
Reese
What?
00:01:11
Ryne
The next day I will be, but not that day.
00:01:15
Cokeley Brothers
You know and i should probably do while we're doing this? I should probably... I've got the the test servers up for for Gable Games, so I should probably turn those off.
00:01:24
Ryne
do mean, test servers for what?
00:01:27
Cokeley Brothers
The front end and the back end for the new changes that I'm making.
00:01:31
Reese
Front hand, back hand?
00:01:31
Ryne
What changes are you making?
00:01:34
Cokeley Brothers
Don't worry about it. You'll see it when you see it.
00:01:36
Ryne
What changes are you making, dude?
00:01:38
Cokeley Brothers
You won't know. Final X. The best of three series start at 2 p.m. Eastern. Now, if you want to watch the true third matches, those start at 12.30 Eastern.
00:01:52
Cokeley Brothers
eastern
00:01:53
Ryne
Sammy, what changes the Gable game are you making?
00:01:57
Cokeley Brothers
Ryan.
00:01:58
Ryne
I'm not going to get off it. You can't make me.
00:02:01
Cokeley Brothers
I'll talk to you about it later. How about that?
00:02:04
Ryne
Nope.
00:02:05
Ryne
I demand you talk about it on air.
00:02:05
Cokeley Brothers
Why not?
00:02:08
Cokeley Brothers
Nope. I'm not going to do that.
00:02:10
Ryne
For the fans.
00:02:12
Cokeley Brothers
The fans will find out.
00:02:13
Ryne
Then you either talk about it on air or you talk about it on air and then figure out how to edit it out.
00:02:20
Ryne
me
00:02:21
Cokeley Brothers
No. We'll just talk about it later, dude. well Stop.
00:02:23
Ryne
Nope.
00:02:24
Cokeley Brothers
Stop this. Stop. that This is bad.
00:02:25
Ryne
Nope.
00:02:26
Reese
Has Patrick Kennedy ever been the right, the guess, the answer yet?
00:02:26
Ryne
Nope.
00:02:31
Reese
Has he been the answer yet?
00:02:34
Cokeley Brothers
uh i don't think so i i can i can find out for you it's actually probably not super difficult for me to figure it out uh if we do this we do no no
00:02:34
Ryne
Yes.
00:02:36
Reese
Ryan says yes.
00:02:37
Ryne
I think it was earlier.
00:02:38
Reese
Is that a real yes?
00:02:39
Ryne
Maybe it wasn't. i don't know. I made that up.
00:02:46
Reese
He's not today though, is he? No, no, uh, today.
00:02:52
Cokeley Brothers
what if i do if i do this but yeah we got final x this weekend oh There's going to be some really good matches.
Amit Elor's Health Concerns and Team USA Debate
00:03:03
Cokeley Brothers
Minus... Well, two series, I guess. We're not getting... We're not getting Vito Rujau versus Jax Forrest until Fargo.
00:03:12
Cokeley Brothers
And Amit Allure has backed out due to health concerns. Which has started a little bit of a discourse on Twitter about ah what makes the most sense in terms of how that should be handled.
00:03:24
Reese
um
00:03:25
Cokeley Brothers
ah So...
00:03:26
Ryne
There's no right or wrong answer.
00:03:28
Cokeley Brothers
Not really. No, I, because if you were to have her wrestle off, it completely messes up the the national team system that they have. And, um,
00:03:38
Ryne
Except it wouldn't. you do I mean, so Amit doesn't wrestle for the spot. Does she still get the benefits of being on the national team?
00:03:50
Cokeley Brothers
right. So would she be number two?
00:03:52
Ryne
ah so That's my question. Except she wouldn't be because she's... not wrestling
00:03:59
Cokeley Brothers
Right. ah it's It's a weird... I don't know. um I mean, well, here's the here's the other thing, though. is like
00:04:09
Cokeley Brothers
If...
00:04:11
Cokeley Brothers
Let's say...
00:04:12
Ryne
that's where i'm at though i'm sorry sammy i'm sorry to cut it off but that's where i'm at if you're too injured to compete like at the world championship okay then you're not on the ladder and if that's the case
00:04:14
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. ah but ah Well, no, but then... Here's the comparison.
00:04:21
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:04:26
Ryne
Then Groke gets the wrestle off.
00:04:27
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. i don't know if that's...
00:04:34
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. I mean, look, the the process should be, and people are making this comparison, the process should be, the goal of it should be to get the best team for Team USA or allow for that to be the outcome.
00:04:45
Ryne
Yeah, but that's ah that's just not always going to happen.
00:04:46
Cokeley Brothers
And...
00:04:49
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I know.
00:04:49
Ryne
Sorry.
Wrestle-off Delays and System Analysis
00:04:50
Cokeley Brothers
Can I... Just let me get my full thought out.
00:04:51
Ryne
I'm sorry. It's just, it's just, I hate that whole, the goal is to get the best team.
00:04:52
Cokeley Brothers
i know.
00:04:56
Ryne
That's just,
00:04:57
Cokeley Brothers
yeah but right and i know so like i'm not i'm not saying that that like kyle dake should move down to 79 kilos so we can have the best top to bottom lineup i'm just saying the system that's in place is balanced and provides plenty of opportunity to work our work our way up to what is almost always the best team or the best version of team usa um But what people like to compare it to is they're like, do you if you win in the semis state and then you can't wrestle in the finals, does that mean that you take third or fourth place?
00:05:33
Cokeley Brothers
like No, you take second. Sure, yeah, that's in a tournament. But this the World Team Trials, this is a different process.
00:05:37
Ryne
This is different.
00:05:39
Cokeley Brothers
this isn't This isn't Worlds. This isn't the ultimate goal. This is a a process to determine what our World Team looks like.
00:05:47
Ryne
ah t It's a team trial, literally.
00:05:51
Cokeley Brothers
Right. And so...
00:05:52
Ryne
A tryout. It's a stinking tryout.
00:05:56
Cokeley Brothers
So with that, I mean, things can be handled however they want to be. ah and You know, whatever makes the most sense. Now, if Amit Allure isn't able to wrestle, then it should you know it should probably come down to the next two best people, which so far it has been deemed to be Grote and Glott. But Grote's also got a wrestle-off. So, like, if she loses that wrestle-off, then there's not really much of an argument at all.
00:06:21
Cokeley Brothers
And maybe there's more of an argument at that point for... uh, man, whoever she's wrestling off who I cannot remember the name of right now. Um, for that true third spot, but, and then there's, uh, there's a other topic that comes from that, but that's like, I saw that.
00:06:37
Ryne
ah ah thought um I saw some dweeb using Skylar Grote's match against Amit Allure at the US Open as evidence to not allow her to have a wrestle off. And I was like, look at this dweeb. Dweeb.
00:06:51
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:06:52
Ryne
ah web
00:06:54
Cokeley Brothers
That's just not really how it works.
00:06:54
Reese
That's dweeb shit.
00:06:57
Cokeley Brothers
um But yeah, i mean, like this was also brought up by Vito requesting a delay for his wrestle-off, which I wonder if Allure would have done that if she was wrestling at the weight she wrestled at for the Olympics.
00:07:09
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
00:07:10
Ryne
I do think, I saw this argument being brought up, that regardless of who is asking for the extension,
00:07:11
Cokeley Brothers
So...
00:07:25
Cokeley Brothers
yeah
00:07:26
Ryne
for example, if Jax Forrest needed an extension, he should get it.
00:07:32
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:07:32
Reese
Yeah.
00:07:33
Cokeley Brothers
So i do.
00:07:33
Reese
it.
00:07:34
Cokeley Brothers
And I think, I think it's pretty unanimous across the board that if there is a request but between the two people that are wrestling in final X, if there's a request for a delay, then it should be granted.
00:07:44
Ryne
Right. but Because that's not how it is right now, though, right?
00:07:47
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Right. Right. It's not, it's only for the returning medalist. And I don't know why there's a distinction between those two.
00:07:53
Ryne
Dumb.
00:07:56
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I don't know if it was...
00:07:56
Reese
doesn
00:07:57
Cokeley Brothers
It might have always been like that. I have i have no idea.
00:08:00
Ryne
Feels like it has been.
00:08:02
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, the only other two... The only other delayed Wrestle-Off was Kyle Dake, and he was returning World Champ. So... ah Yeah, that's ah that's kind of the drama.
00:08:14
Ryne
dude No, there was a
Final X Format and Wrestler Analysis
00:08:16
Ryne
delayed wrestle-off with Nick Marable.
00:08:16
Reese
and What about the Nick Marable one?
00:08:19
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, that was before Final X.
00:08:20
Ryne
James Green.
00:08:21
Reese
Yeah, well, we're, well, I mean, aren't we including pre-Final X? Isn't that what you said?
00:08:27
Cokeley Brothers
I'm getting, well, I think final X has kind of been a reformatting standardization of the process.
00:08:27
Reese
Yeah.
00:08:31
Ryne
Yeah, but you asked if has it hasn't ever been done before.
00:08:32
Reese
i thought you said yeah
00:08:34
Ryne
That's what you asked.
00:08:36
Cokeley Brothers
That that's sorry. Let me rephrase what my question meant, which was, has it has it ever been done before in the final X era? And there was one time and it was Kyle Dake. Okay.
00:08:45
Ryne
And on the men's side,
00:08:49
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. The other, the women's side was Rulis and then, i and I think one more.
00:08:51
Ryne
Helen, Adeline Gray.
00:08:55
Cokeley Brothers
No, uh, Kozak, Kozak tweeted about it. i can't remember who, um, I can't remember who, but let's, let's get to the wrestling.
00:09:09
Cokeley Brothers
What do you say?
00:09:12
Reese
I let's do it
00:09:14
Cokeley Brothers
All right. Um, i mean, where do you guys want to start men's freestyle?
00:09:19
Ryne
I love
00:09:20
Cokeley Brothers
Let's start from the bottom, Ryan.
00:09:21
Reese
ah from the bottom.
00:09:26
Ryne
Culver's. It's amazing.
00:09:30
Reese
Now pay us.
00:09:31
Cokeley Brothers
No, it's it's welcome to delicious.
00:09:31
Ryne
All right.
00:09:33
Cokeley Brothers
All
00:09:34
Ryne
That's our that's our ad break. All right, let's get into it.
00:09:38
Cokeley Brothers
right. All right, let's start at the bottom. 57 kilos, Spencer Lee versus Luke Lilladol.
00:09:42
Reese
This preview is brought to you by Culver's.
00:09:46
Cokeley Brothers
Welcome to delicious.
00:09:47
Reese
um
00:09:51
Cokeley Brothers
ah Now, two people who probably haven't had Culver's in a minute, Spencer Lee and Luke Lilladol.
00:09:55
Ryne
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00:09:57
Reese
Oreo overlord Overload is the of the
00:09:57
Cokeley Brothers
All right. All right.
00:10:00
Reese
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00:10:05
Ryne
oh
00:10:07
Cokeley Brothers
Whenever you guys are ready, just just let me know. I'll be here.
00:10:11
Ryne
butter burger with cheese please thank you
00:10:13
Reese
It's
00:10:19
Reese
little pricey though Spencer Lee and Luke Willard I'm excited excited for that match
00:10:21
Cokeley Brothers
Lee and Lillidal.
00:10:26
Ryne
Yeah.
00:10:28
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. They've wrestled before and it was it was a beat down from Spencer Lee. He teched him about a minute and a half. ah But I think this is a different version of Luke Lillidal.
00:10:37
Reese
He's getting beat down bro
00:10:39
Ryne
Yeah. He's just not going to be strong enough.
00:10:42
Reese
Yeah, you see Spencer Lee. Did you see this screenshot of him recently?
00:10:47
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, he did look... Yeah, but he's still got to make 57 kilos.
00:10:50
Reese
He looks actually strong now. He actually looks strong. So imagine how strong he he he really is.
00:10:55
Ryne
ah is That is the only possible pathway, in my opinion, for Liladol to make the team.
00:11:06
Cokeley Brothers
As to what?
00:11:07
Reese
ACL.
00:11:08
Ryne
No, Spencer Leaf to not make weight.
00:11:11
Reese
Oh,
00:11:11
Cokeley Brothers
oh
00:11:12
Ryne
Even with no ACL, I think Spencer Leaf will.
00:11:13
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. I'm imagining that Penn State has a pretty good game plan in terms of slow down the scoring in the first period and wait for your opportunity in the second.
00:11:19
Ryne
You cannot, you cannot game. he How is he going to take him down?
00:11:23
Reese
Gilman couldn't do it. Yeah.
00:11:26
Ryne
How's he going to take him down?
00:11:27
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, i'm I'm just thinking about how I saw a guy like Sebastian Rivera manage to do it.
00:11:33
Ryne
Listen, he's just a couple more years away from from from being on that level physically with Spencer, in my opinion.
00:11:33
Cokeley Brothers
Sebastian's good.
00:11:34
Reese
That was so long ago. how How many years...
00:11:45
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, I don't i don't know. don't really, know. I don't know if there's anybody Spencer Lee's level of physicality at 57 kilos.
00:11:53
Ryne
I mean, there you can you can get to a level where you can at least keep him at bay and wrestle with him.
00:11:54
Cokeley Brothers
So.
00:11:58
Cokeley Brothers
At least wrestle with it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:01
Ryne
Look at Matt Ramos.
00:12:05
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. I feel like that would just be such a different story in freestyle.
00:12:08
Ryne
So if you're Luke Lillodal, do you just go start digging unders?
00:12:13
Cokeley Brothers
I don't think so because I'm pretty sure Spencer's just going to grab your tricep and then dump you and then trap arm got you and then...
00:12:17
Reese
Dump him.
00:12:19
Ryne
Oh, really? You think? Why didn't he do that against Matt Ramos?
00:12:20
Reese
Dump him, Mike.
00:12:23
Cokeley Brothers
Because he was panicked? I don't know.
00:12:25
Reese
Didn't he get double-unders?
00:12:29
Ryne
That's what i'm saying. why Why wouldn't Luke do that? Why wouldn't Luke run in and and throw in doubles right away?
00:12:31
Reese
No, get both. i think he can get both underhooks. Maybe he's got a shot.
00:12:36
Ryne
Bop, bop.
00:12:37
Cokeley Brothers
I think, well, because because it happened it happened late in the match.
00:12:38
Ryne
Club, hook, hook.
00:12:38
Reese
Maybe that's the way.
00:12:41
Cokeley Brothers
I think if if Matt Ramos did it early in the match, it wouldn't pay ah pay off for him.
00:12:44
Ryne
he did it He did it in their first outing, too. He did it to them more than once, fellas.
00:12:48
Reese
to do more than
00:12:49
Cokeley Brothers
did Didn't he lap drop him in the first one?
00:12:51
Ryne
It was double overs, I'm pretty sure. Or double unders, I'm pretty sure.
00:12:54
Reese
He threw him either way threw Twice Well
00:12:55
Cokeley Brothers
Was it double-unders? Yeah, he threw him to his back.
00:13:00
Cokeley Brothers
The second one was more of like a...
00:13:02
Reese
Yeah Different
00:13:03
Cokeley Brothers
He laid him over. Yeah. But yeah, I got Spencer 2-0 in this match. ah Definitely one that could be more interesting in a couple of years, but I am still intrigued to see what the game plan is that the Penn State group has put together for this.
00:13:22
Ryne
race
00:13:22
Cokeley Brothers
So...
00:13:23
Reese
I'm, yeah. 2-0.
00:13:26
Ryne
here's Here's the other problem with Luke.
00:13:26
Reese
Two matches to none.
00:13:30
Ryne
He's going to outgrow the weight class.
00:13:34
Reese
Probably.
00:13:34
Cokeley Brothers
So I started to think about that because he's long. He's got a frame. He can he can fill out to 61, but it also feels like he can just stay where he's at.
00:13:39
Reese
hasn't grown.
00:13:41
Ryne
No, he's going to outgrow it.
00:13:43
Reese
ah feel like he hasn't grown in a while, though.
00:13:43
Cokeley Brothers
For sure? Yeah, I feel like he's been kind of in this similar area for a period of time that suggests to me...
00:13:51
Ryne
everyone says he's going be Everyone says he's going to be a 33-pounder before it's all said and done with.
00:13:53
Reese
mean,
00:13:56
Reese
Yeah, I mean, he does seem like he maybe he's a late bloomer a little bit.
00:14:01
Cokeley Brothers
Could be. Still got that baby face.
00:14:04
Ryne
I got Spencer 2-0, by the way.
00:14:06
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, Spencer 2-0.
00:14:09
Cokeley Brothers
Okay, 61 kilos. We're going to skip until it is actually close to happening. ah So let's move on to 65 kilograms.
00:14:14
Ryne
Vito. Vito.
00:14:18
Cokeley Brothers
Joey McKenna versus Real Woods. I don't think these two have ever wrestled each other.
00:14:25
Ryne
I'm taking real woods.
00:14:25
Reese
Never ever.
00:14:28
Reese
Alright, you're not gonna go out right and say it, huh?
00:14:28
Cokeley Brothers
So...
00:14:30
Ryne
Real woods, two to one.
00:14:32
Reese
Real, real words.
00:14:35
Cokeley Brothers
i i'm not going to be shocked by either guy that wins this. And honestly, Real Woods, I don't i think it's going pretty low scoring match.
00:14:39
Reese
Over, under on points, point total.
00:14:45
Ryne
Joey's just going to find a way to not be on the team.
00:14:45
Reese
Think so?
00:14:49
Reese
Yeah.
00:14:50
Cokeley Brothers
I think Joey is pretty tough to score on. And and he also ah finds himself scoring points not super often either. And so, ah yeah, I think this is going to be a pretty low scoring affair. Real Woods is pretty athletic and like I look back at his freestyle results this year they're pretty good so i mean either guy that makes the team here I am excited to see what they do at Worlds um but I think I'm going to go with Joey McKenna two to one
00:15:22
Reese
Um,
00:15:25
Ryne
Do it, Rhys.
00:15:26
Reese
I think I'm going to go Joey McKenna tu to one also.
00:15:26
Ryne
I feel you.
00:15:28
Reese
I mean, I'm picking Joey McKenna no matter what.
00:15:29
Ryne
Oh, I know that's not what you really want to do, though, Rhys.
00:15:32
Reese
Why? I want to pick my 2014 graduate. No, don't. feel like Joey a better matchup.
00:15:35
Cokeley Brothers
class
00:15:36
Ryne
Oh, okay, okay, okay. No, I i get it.
00:15:39
Cokeley Brothers
ye
00:15:40
Ryne
But I think deep down, Rhys, you feel like it might be real woods.
00:15:40
Cokeley Brothers
was,
00:15:48
Reese
has like the edge But like, you know, with this matchup, I feel I can see him like dumping him or like, you know, hitting that barrel roll that he used to.
00:15:52
Ryne
I'm picking...
00:15:58
Reese
Yeah, he don't he doesn't really do it anymore, but I could see him doing something like that to real.
00:16:05
Cokeley Brothers
I don't disagree. um Okay. 70 kilograms. Yanni Diakamahalos versus PJ Duke. These two for sure have not wrestled each other. um And people are pretty excited about this match.
00:16:18
Cokeley Brothers
just Just because of the intrigue. What does PJ Duke look like against, you know, he already showed he can beat an NCAA champion caliber guy. What does he look like against a world senior world medalist type of guy?
00:16:32
Cokeley Brothers
What does that look like? You know?
00:16:34
Ryne
It looks like Yanni winning two matches to zero. That's what it looks like.
00:16:40
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:16:41
Ryne
He's just too much right now.
00:16:42
Cokeley Brothers
Now, do you expect...
00:16:43
Ryne
Too long, too strong, too Greek.
00:16:47
Cokeley Brothers
like what do you think What do you think the scoring kind of plays out like? Do you see P.J. Duke getting any takedowns? do you see Tech fall for Yanni?
00:16:54
Ryne
ah Yeah. No, I could totally see. I mean, here's...
00:16:58
Reese
Duke could totally get takedown.
00:16:59
Ryne
I don't know how I would predict the score necessarily. i could see PJ scoring for sure just because Yanni, you know, Yanni gives up points just because he knows he'll he'll get him back in, you know, in bunches. so But I could also see Yanni going out there and shutting the dude out and winning 5-0 and something like that. You know what I'm saying? 4-0, 6-0, something weird like that.
00:17:28
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Hey, I'll tell you what, quick sidebar. We got we got to get some other, other competitors for, ah to go up against Titan Mercury Wrestling Club, because I think everybody except for Wyatt Hendrickson at Final X for men's freestyle is under Titan Mercury.
00:17:47
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, Air Force W cap.
00:17:47
Ryne
Who's white under?
00:17:52
Ryne
ah W cap. Okay.
00:17:53
Reese
Well, I mean, it's not really a club.
00:17:54
Cokeley Brothers
Yep.
00:17:56
Ryne
Well, Sunkist is gone.
00:17:57
Cokeley Brothers
No, but like kilos.
00:17:59
Ryne
What about, ah so, even real?
00:18:08
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. Cliff Keen Wrestling Club, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club.
00:18:09
Ryne
Cliff King and Titan Mercury? So what is Titan Mercury then? like How are they different from
00:18:15
Reese
It's just like a so like a sponsor, like.
00:18:17
Cokeley Brothers
ah Seem like a sponsor. Yeah.
00:18:18
Reese
yeah
00:18:19
Ryne
Yeah, so they're not really a club then Not like So they're more like what Sunkist Wrestling Was Essentially Sunkist Kids, yeah
00:18:23
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:18:26
Cokeley Brothers
Sunkist kids. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, those, those are two.
00:18:30
Reese
Sunkist had like a place where they wrestled at, right?
00:18:30
Ryne
wow
00:18:33
Reese
Like an actual club location.
00:18:35
Cokeley Brothers
Now
00:18:35
Reese
like ah like a place where like they wrestled that right like an actual
00:18:39
Cokeley Brothers
I'm pretty sure tart Titan Mercury also has a room, but like it's in California and I don't think anybody trains out there.
00:18:40
Reese
have location
00:18:45
Ryne
What about So is are they like the NYAC then? Titan Mercury? Or there are there people who compete for both?
00:18:51
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. but ah But again, New York Athletic Club, there's like a solid number of people that train out there.
00:19:00
Ryne
I just don't get it.
Role of Wrestling Clubs and Predictions
00:19:02
Ryne
It feels like everyone wrestles under Titan Mercury Wrestling Club.
00:19:02
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, it's just because they're like, hey, we'll pay you so that you can go pursue your dreams.
00:19:09
Ryne
At this point, they should just partner with USA Wrestling.
00:19:14
Reese
Yeah
00:19:15
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I don't know. um We you need more competitors. We need to, you, us three, we'll become massively wealthy and we'll do in-session wrestling club.
00:19:26
Reese
That's cool with me I like wealth I like money Yanni to do nothing.
00:19:28
Cokeley Brothers
All right. Let's figure it out. Yeah. Riches. Okay. ah Yeah. Yanni 2-0.
00:19:37
Cokeley Brothers
Right?
00:19:39
Reese
I think ah Duke I feel like um I feel like people are kind of overrating Duke right now. I do think Duke is... I don't think Duke is like a better prospect than Marcus Blaze.
00:19:55
Reese
Um...
00:19:57
Ryne
I do. I have to disagree with you there.
00:19:58
Reese
I... Yeah, I don't I think like PJ do like people will like think that Kate what's Kaysak going to do next year, you know, like I think Tyler Kaysak could totally can totally beat PJ Duke and I think I would probably give him the edge.
00:20:12
Reese
I mean, look what Kaysak did to Entrell Taylor compared to what Duke did to Entrell Taylor.
00:20:13
Ryne
Well, I don't... Yeah, you're right. agree I agree. But that also makes... Is a case on why, like... Dude, Duke, he just is like...
00:20:26
Ryne
So defensively sound. You know, he's just hard to beat. I don't know, dude. Like,
00:20:34
Reese
so um So is Marcus Blaze, bro. What? He's not even...
00:20:37
Ryne
nah, I know. and That's not my point. My point is against KSAC, though. Like, I just, I give, I give,
00:20:41
Reese
oh
00:20:44
Reese
Well, why do you think he's a better prospect than Blaze?
00:20:48
Ryne
because honestly, because I feel like strength-wise, he's probably a little bit like more ready than Marcus Glaze.
00:20:57
Cokeley Brothers
I think that can play against them though, because strength development, once we start to get to the top, everybody's kind of the same roughly. Um, so I think once he's, yeah.
00:21:05
Ryne
Sure, sure. But at the same time, he doesn not he's not going to have to struggle with that. I just think about guys, ah and I'd have to really think about 133. But, I mean, if he was coming in, I would think about guys like, shoot, I don't know.
00:21:20
Ryne
Like Nick Suriano, if Nick Suriano was still there. You know what I mean? Like, he's just so much stronger than Marcus would be coming in right now.
00:21:26
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:21:27
Reese
i've already so i in I've already seen him against... We've seen him against grown men, though, and he doesn't... He seems to have no problem drinking.
00:21:34
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, this is this is the weird thing with Blaze, right? Because the person he struggled with the most in terms of wrestling, like in the last year, the guy he struggled with the most was Gross, who is not a meathead.
00:21:43
Reese
Yeah.
00:21:43
Ryne
I just, I feel like the mat wrestling and folk style, like your strength your strength plays more of a factor in that area too.
00:21:51
Reese
Yeah.
00:21:52
Cokeley Brothers
Sure, yeah.
00:21:53
Reese
He's gonna figure it out, though.
00:21:53
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah,
00:21:54
Reese
I mean... they're both goingnna They're both going to be fine.
00:21:56
Ryne
I'm not saying he won't figure it out. I just feel like PJ Duke won't have to, won't struggle as much in that area.
00:21:58
Cokeley Brothers
yeah who's a better...
00:22:03
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, it's going to it's just it's really just a wait and see.
00:22:04
Reese
I mean, I don't know. I think... Yeah. um I mean, my money's on Blaze being having like the better career and stuff.
00:22:09
Cokeley Brothers
But I.
00:22:13
Cokeley Brothers
I think I think I do. I think I would put.
00:22:14
Ryne
i would not yeah I wouldn't be a surprised if Blaze had a better career for sure. but i just i mean if I guess if you asked me to bet on someone right now, I would just pick PJ Duke.
00:22:25
Cokeley Brothers
um I'm picking Blaze. I'll put my money on Blaze.
00:22:30
Reese
Yeah.
00:22:30
Cokeley Brothers
OK, 74 kilos.
00:22:30
Ryne
Also because 33, 41, those weights are typically little bit tougher than 57, 65.
00:22:30
Reese
you know
00:22:35
Ryne
those weights are typically a little bit tougher than fifty seven sixty five
00:22:40
Cokeley Brothers
meat grinder. Yeah.
00:22:42
Ryne
Sometimes I guess I mean it depends they're all meat from 41 about 41 to 74 they can get really really like disgusting obviously
00:22:42
Reese
yeah
00:22:50
Cokeley Brothers
Grindy. Yeah.
00:22:53
Ryne
But
00:22:53
Cokeley Brothers
Yes. Yes. Yeah. I mean, dude, 20, whenever, if you don't have a standout, like Spencer Lee, 25 becomes a nightmare too. We saw that two seasons ago and kind of last season.
00:23:02
Ryne
I'm just saying, like, if you were to put them both in 33 and 57 this year for NCAAs, like, who would you bet more money on to win?
00:23:02
Cokeley Brothers
So
00:23:12
Ryne
Come out on top. You know i mean? without if you Without knowing, like, if you were to still think KSAC was the best guy, and you know what I'm saying?
00:23:20
Reese
boys can beat Bird.
00:23:22
Cokeley Brothers
Bird.
00:23:23
Reese
bird boys can beat burnt
00:23:25
Cokeley Brothers
Bird, Ayala took second. Romney took third. Fugit took fourth.
00:23:29
Reese
I mean, I think 57.
00:23:31
Cokeley Brothers
Davis fifth.
00:23:31
Reese
don't know. I don't know what the weaker weight class is I think they're those are both pretty not great.
00:23:38
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, Meyer Shapiro, P.J. Duke. What does that match look like?
00:23:41
Ryne
if a meyer meyer had all those issues
00:23:44
Cokeley Brothers
I know. Yeah. was Like ah in in the context of the of the previous season, um even still like, yeah, towards the end of the year, you're probably going to see Duke win that match.
00:23:55
Cokeley Brothers
I'm just thinking about like a healthy Shapiro and a healthy Duke, just prospect wise prospect of the match.
00:23:59
Reese
Me too.
00:23:59
Ryne
yeah yeah
00:24:00
Cokeley Brothers
Like it seems like a lot of fun.
00:24:06
Cokeley Brothers
Can't wait for it, but we're going to have to. So let's just talk about what we got going on this weekend, which is 74 kilos. Mezenbrink and car.
00:24:16
Ryne
I got to and
00:24:16
Cokeley Brothers
Mezenbrink won this one 16-6.
00:24:20
Ryne
I want to take David Carr two to one but I think going to go mess and break two to one.
00:24:24
Reese
me to
00:24:26
Reese
Yeah, I feel like if it goes to three, it's going to be tough to pick David.
00:24:31
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, I watched Mezenbrink's U20 world title run. world bronze run. um you twenty three world bronze run
00:24:43
Ryne
This
00:24:45
Cokeley Brothers
ah the US Open from this last year and his matches at the Olympic trials, the ones that I could find.
00:24:55
Ryne
You were deep diving.
00:24:57
Cokeley Brothers
his ah His attack rate on the right leg versus anything anything else. ah is ridiculous. And he gets to it a lot. And so if David Carr wants to be able to win this match, he's basically got to mitigate.
00:25:09
Cokeley Brothers
And and eight of the points that Mezenbrink scored were taking that... Mezenbrink shooting that right hand to that right leg and David went for some chest wraps, which were interesting choices.
00:25:15
Reese
unnecessary room no
00:25:24
Cokeley Brothers
um If Carr keeps him off his right leg and... kind of Honestly, this might be why... Because Caliendo is a left leg lead, isn't he?
00:25:35
Reese
no no
00:25:36
Cokeley Brothers
feel like he is. He might be. But um if if David Carr can keep him off his leg, ah his right leg, I think he's able to do great in these matches. i I'm going to go ah David Carr 2-1.
00:25:52
Cokeley Brothers
And I think a series actually does better for him than just one match does. so
00:25:57
Reese
Really, why?
00:25:59
Cokeley Brothers
I think it allows for David Carr to figure things out. I think that's a big thing for him. is he kind of he He has to go through a little bit of the download process. Once he's got it, he's he's like, I have the solution for this. It's like a Dark Souls boss.
00:26:12
Reese
I think a limit. I think you want to limit if you're David Carr, you want to limit, like you said, like limit exchanges as much as you possibly can. And you know, more matches means more exchanges.
00:26:21
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:26:24
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Calando is a left leg lead. That's honestly probably a pretty significant factor because I just watched because I'm trying to think about like why Calando was able to keep those matches so tight.
00:26:30
Ryne
Why do you keep saying Caliendo?
00:26:32
Reese
He's talking about Caliendo. Yeah. messenger
00:26:36
Ryne
Wow.
00:26:38
Cokeley Brothers
if If he's a left leg lead, getting to that right leg is already that much tougher.
00:26:41
Reese
know
00:26:41
Cokeley Brothers
It gives him that much of an advantage to be able to keep that match so tight.
00:26:44
Ryne
Let's see he's saying now.
00:26:47
Cokeley Brothers
So maybe David Carr just needs to switch up his lead leg.
00:26:48
Reese
I don't know. I'm just going to say...
00:26:49
Ryne
Saw him on campus today, by the way. Totally can make 57. I
00:26:55
Cokeley Brothers
You said that last week too.
00:26:56
Reese
Confirmed. Yeah.
00:26:57
Ryne
know. I'm just reiterating.
00:26:57
Reese
You've seen him in tournament setting now in just a casual everyday setting. That confirms it.
00:27:04
Ryne
Yeah, dude, he's there.
00:27:05
Ryne
He's ready. He can do it.
00:27:05
Reese
157.
00:27:05
Reese
I might take Carr two matches to none.
00:27:12
Cokeley Brothers
Two none. All right. We got three different results and we could all be wrong.
00:27:14
Reese
Yeah, I figured figure that would be the the right thing to do.
00:27:18
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:27:18
Reese
Yeah, it could be Messingbrink 2 to none. Poshow.
00:27:21
Cokeley Brothers
Really could be.
00:27:22
Reese
Really feels like the most likely one. think they're
00:27:26
Cokeley Brothers
how do you How do you feel about either of these guys in relation to the rest of the world?
00:27:31
Reese
both pretty dead even. but i think they would i think they're both like pretty dead even
00:27:39
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. um Like with each other was with each other is what you're saying.
00:27:42
Reese
With no um' amongst the world, like they would have pretty dead even results.
00:27:49
Ryne
at the world championship is what he's saying
00:27:50
Reese
I don't think. Yeah.
00:27:53
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, so you're not you're saying I don't think Mitchell Mesenbrink would do better than David Carr would do.
00:27:57
Reese
Yeah. worlds Yeah.
00:27:58
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, okay. So I'm wondering where would you put them? like Are they medal contenders? Can they wrestle with the best?
00:28:02
Reese
Yeah, for sure.
00:28:03
Cokeley Brothers
Are they going to struggle? like you know
00:28:04
Reese
I can rest with the best. Yeah, for sure. I think, uh, you know I think if they were if like Kyle Dake or Nolfe were at this weight still, I think they would both probably lose to those guys.
00:28:15
Ryne
no retired too soon dude
00:28:17
Reese
I know. It's sad. It's very sad.
00:28:19
Cokeley Brothers
he just wanted to move on.
00:28:22
Reese
Yeah. It's...
00:28:23
Ryne
I just want to grapple.
00:28:23
Cokeley Brothers
Which sucks.
00:28:24
Reese
um
00:28:26
Reese
I don't want to win when it's easier. Why would I want to do Yeah.
00:28:26
Cokeley Brothers
yeah Now, so David...
00:28:31
Cokeley Brothers
David Carr wrestled...
00:28:36
Cokeley Brothers
wrestled Sal Kassanov earlier this year in February and he lost to him 4-0.
00:28:38
Reese
Yeah.
00:28:41
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:28:42
Reese
Yeah, that's a tough matchup for Carr. And that would be a tough matchup for Messenbring, too.
00:28:45
Cokeley Brothers
No
00:28:48
Reese
He's stingy.
00:28:49
Cokeley Brothers
kidding. I mean, dude, i just i kind of do I do kind of feel like David Carr has a style that is more fit to counteract the European style of wrestling.
00:29:00
Cokeley Brothers
I feel like Mesembrink will get himself in a lot of trouble wrestling some of these Europeans.
00:29:06
Reese
Yeah.
00:29:09
Cokeley Brothers
But I'm ready to be wrong.
00:29:10
Reese
So where do you think they where do you think they're at
00:29:11
Cokeley Brothers
I am.
00:29:13
Ryne
You are wrong.
00:29:13
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, I think they're 74 kilos. The last time I looked at it, it felt... It felt like kind of hard to see them meddling because they're there were a lot of guys.
00:29:26
Cokeley Brothers
Now, that also included ah ah Jamalov, who we aren't we aren't going to see this year because he's got like surgery number eight or something like that on his knee.
00:29:27
Reese
Who are the guys?
00:29:37
Cokeley Brothers
so
00:29:38
Ryne
Number eight.
00:29:39
Cokeley Brothers
But I'm pulling up the rankings right now. We've got Voliev, Siedikov, Salkazinov, Takatani. um Outside of those four, then it can kind of open up a little bit. You've got Kaipanov and Kugio Mitsidis from Georgia, or Georgia, Greece.
00:29:56
Cokeley Brothers
um Then Kota Takahashi, I think, is the Japanese guy that beat Mezenbrink at U23s. And then right after him is Mezenbrink. And then after that, you know, you can, you see some guys who, um, can probably beat or probably Mesenbrink and Carr could beat.
00:30:14
Cokeley Brothers
Bezoya from Russia who, I mean, we don't know if we're going to CC to Kavit Worlds, but, um, Imami from Russia and, uh, Yazdani is up at 74 now.
00:30:24
Reese
from Iran.
00:30:26
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. Did I say Russia?
00:30:31
Cokeley Brothers
Nice. Uh, so yeah, I mean, it's just 74
00:30:36
Cokeley Brothers
But I do feel like either of them.
00:30:38
Reese
I think bro bronze is probably a like a good, that would be a good, you know,
00:30:42
Cokeley Brothers
Achievable.
00:30:45
Reese
I don't know. I don't really see him beating guy like Valiyev or Siddikov. I can see him beating Sal Kazanov and Takatani.
00:30:50
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:30:52
Reese
I mean, obviously, Card beat Takatani already. But yeah, I have a hard time seeing him beat those top two.
00:30:57
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's move it on. 79 kilos. Evan wick And Levi Haynes, these two wrestled at last year's non-Olympic world team trials.
00:31:09
Cokeley Brothers
He was tied four to four. Evan Wick was winning on criteria with about 40 something seconds left. And Levi Haynes gets in on a shot, builds up into a heavy double, picks him up off the mat, puts him on his back and pins him.
00:31:23
Cokeley Brothers
What do we think?
00:31:26
Ryne
I think it's going to be two to one somebody.
00:31:27
Reese
I like Wick.
00:31:32
Cokeley Brothers
You think so?
00:31:32
Ryne
Yeah, i give me Levi Haynes.
00:31:33
Reese
Yeah, you know what?
00:31:33
Reese
Two to one Evan Wick.
00:31:40
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
00:31:43
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know what to think about this one.
00:31:46
Cokeley Brothers
Because Evan's tough.
00:31:47
Ryne
2-1 Levi Haynes. I don't even know if it's going to be 2-1. It might be 2-0 Levi Haynes. might be two to zero levi haynes
00:31:55
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I think if Levi's going to win this, I think he wins it 2-0. and i think if Wick wins it, he he drops a match. I feel like he's prone to make some mistakes in his matches. so So...
00:32:10
Cokeley Brothers
I'm going to go... I'm going to go... I'm going to go Hanes.
00:32:18
Cokeley Brothers
Dude. Sorry. I'm looking at the the rankings for 79 kilos. ah Russia has the 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 10 this They've so many guys.
00:32:29
Cokeley Brothers
eight and ten at this way
00:32:34
Ryne
Well, that's just not fair.
00:32:36
Ryne
How do they have all those guys?
00:32:36
Cokeley Brothers
they've got so many guys
00:32:38
Reese
Who are they? Who are these guys?
00:32:40
Cokeley Brothers
It's ah Ahmed Usmanov, Khalid Yakiev, Kamil Abdul Vagabov, Ahmed Manilov, Kasumov, Gadzi Murad Aliq Maiev, and Magomed Magomayev.
00:32:57
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, that's crazy.
00:33:01
Reese
Fatty Magoo?
00:33:04
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. And we have nobody ranked at this weight.
00:33:07
Ryne
Excuse me.
00:33:09
Cokeley Brothers
Hey, speaking of 79 kilos, did you hear Burroughs say he's not retired?
00:33:13
Ryne
I think everyone kind that, though.
00:33:17
Cokeley Brothers
What do you think he's going to do? what do you think his plan is?
00:33:22
Ryne
Bye.
00:33:24
Reese
He's biting.
00:33:24
Cokeley Brothers
What?
00:33:25
Ryne
Bye.
00:33:26
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, I thought you said vibe.
00:33:27
Reese
He is using bite.
00:33:28
Cokeley Brothers
but
00:33:28
Ryne
Bye. 2020.
00:33:30
Cokeley Brothers
ah Yeah, what do you think he's biting for?
00:33:33
Ryne
twenty twenty
00:33:34
Reese
Time.
00:33:35
Cokeley Brothers
Do you think he's buying 2028 2027? 2027 is going to be in in Vegas.
00:33:40
Ryne
He's doing both.
00:33:40
Reese
What does it matter?
00:33:42
Cokeley Brothers
Well, if you get, if you go to, if you make the 2027 world team and then you metal and then you get to sit out and all that.
00:33:48
Ryne
He's doing both because they're both in America.
00:33:48
Cokeley Brothers
Now you here's the question. Here's the question. 74 or 86.
00:33:55
Ryne
Living in America.
00:33:59
Reese
I don't know.
00:34:01
Ryne
79 because they're going to add more weight classes.
00:34:04
Reese
I like that answer. That's a good answer. Good answer.
00:34:08
Cokeley Brothers
Good answer. Good answer.
00:34:08
Reese
Show me.
00:34:09
Cokeley Brothers
More weight classes.
00:34:15
Cokeley Brothers
Hopefully. Okay. Give me Levi Haynes. Reese, who'd you take?
00:34:19
Reese
took Evan Wick two matches to one.
00:34:20
Ryne
He's taking wake two to one.
00:34:23
Cokeley Brothers
The Wickmeister.
00:34:23
Reese
He's going to get to those ankles, those salty ankles. Tasty.
00:34:28
Cokeley Brothers
Salty ankles.
00:34:29
Reese
Yeah.
00:34:29
Ryne
Wic, wic, wic, wic, Evan, wic.
00:34:29
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
00:34:32
Reese
wi wi Wick my balls.
00:34:33
Ryne
You like that?
00:34:37
Ryne
Wink, wink, wink, wink my balls.
00:34:39
Reese
I.
00:34:42
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
00:34:42
Ryne
You're sick, Reese.
00:34:43
Cokeley Brothers
ah the The matchup of the night, 86 kilograms, Zahid Valencia versus Kyle Dake. I already know what my answer for this one is. I've thought i've thought about it extensively.
00:34:55
Cokeley Brothers
um ah want to hear your thoughts.
00:35:00
Ryne
My thoughts are that Zahid Valencia is just...
00:35:00
Reese
i
00:35:05
Ryne
It's just his time, dude. It's his time.
00:35:08
Reese
My heart says that for sure. My heart says it's Zahiv Valencia's time, but my brain is worried about Kyle Dake being...
00:35:17
Ryne
Kyle Dake being Kyle Dake, baby.
00:35:19
Reese
Yeah.
00:35:21
Cokeley Brothers
I think if there was a best of three series to be impacted by the fact that it is a best of three series, it would be this one.
00:35:32
Reese
Yeah. Who do you think it favors? I think it favors Dake, the series.
00:35:36
Cokeley Brothers
I think it favors Dake immensely.
00:35:36
Reese
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
00:35:39
Ryne
Immensely?
00:35:39
Cokeley Brothers
i think
00:35:40
Cokeley Brothers
i think we I think we see Zahid because I don't think he recovers between the matches fully.
00:35:41
Ryne
Why immensely?
00:35:43
Reese
I think.
00:35:45
Reese
Stamina and, you know, just overall ah head like head, you know, composure.
00:35:50
Cokeley Brothers
Composure.
00:35:51
Reese
Yeah.
00:35:54
Cokeley Brothers
i I see Zahid winning a tough match one and then losing a tough match two and then match three just not going well for him.
00:36:03
Reese
well, then I pick Zahid two matches to none, therefore. he He wins. he won't He won't have to worry about that. That third match.
00:36:13
Cokeley Brothers
You win the two, you don't have to worry about the third.
00:36:14
Reese
You don't have to worry about it anymore.
00:36:16
Cokeley Brothers
It's true. Yeah. Uh...
00:36:19
Ryne
but That's very true.
00:36:22
Cokeley Brothers
and And I mean, the biggest thing that Kyle Dake has to worry about is that duck under the Zahid has, or really just the the the offensive capabilities that Zahid has that involve him not taking a shot.
00:36:37
Cokeley Brothers
ah if If Dake forces him to have to to drop into some sort of setup for a shot, ah then he he's in Dake's wheelhouse. He's he's dictating the match.
00:36:47
Reese
Yeah, but you think Dake can, you know, counter him like as efficiently as he has everybody else?
00:36:48
Cokeley Brothers
Easier said than done.
00:36:57
Reese
I don't think so. Too long.
00:37:03
Cokeley Brothers
That's a good question.
00:37:06
Cokeley Brothers
I think that is going to be the way that Dake is able to slow down this match um as much as possible.
00:37:13
Reese
Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:17
Cokeley Brothers
Because really, ah all he needs to do is is the Will Coakley special. The closer the match is going into the second period, the better it is for you.
00:37:25
Ryne
I knew that's what you were going to say. Keep it as close as possible.
00:37:27
Cokeley Brothers
Yep.
00:37:30
Cokeley Brothers
Pretty much. and then And then you just pour it on in period two.
00:37:34
Reese
I don't
00:37:35
Cokeley Brothers
And i I think that works out. and Now, obviously, it's way more complicated than that. You have to keep this hand here at at all times.
00:37:40
Reese
know. and
00:37:41
Cokeley Brothers
and
00:37:42
Reese
Slowing the match down, I think, I don't know. I think that's just...
00:37:45
Cokeley Brothers
Well, slow just slowing the scoring down. You don't necessarily just want to kind of like sit there in your stance and like lightly hand fight. You do want to keep things aggressive, but also stay...
00:37:52
Reese
Stifle his attacks, is that you're saying?
00:37:58
Cokeley Brothers
Don't open up, which I don't know. That might not be possible. I have no idea. ah
00:38:02
Ryne
but Also stay aggressive, but also ah chill out.
00:38:05
Cokeley Brothers
the Pull back a little bit, you know?
00:38:06
Ryne
Yeah.
00:38:09
Cokeley Brothers
So I don't know.
00:38:09
Ryne
Be cool, bro. Be cool.
00:38:12
Cokeley Brothers
Dake's a better wrestler than me. He'll figure it out.
00:38:15
Reese
So you got a day?
00:38:15
Reese
Oh yeah, you do have a day. What do you have, Ryan?
00:38:15
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
00:38:17
Cokeley Brothers
Dake 2-1.
00:38:20
Reese
Ryan, hello.
00:38:22
Ryne
I have Zahid two to one.
00:38:26
Ryne
I said this is Zahid time.
00:38:27
Reese
right. Who's writing these results down?
00:38:27
Ryne
I said that. Those were my words.
00:38:32
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
00:38:33
Reese
Who's writing these down?
00:38:33
Cokeley Brothers
92 kilos. Huh?
00:38:36
Reese
Ryan, are you writing these down?
00:38:37
Ryne
I am. i'm I'm not writing anything down. I'm drawing.
00:38:42
Cokeley Brothers
What are you?
00:38:43
Reese
um
00:38:43
Cokeley Brothers
Show me what you're drawing.
00:38:44
Reese
like
00:38:44
Ryne
Drawing conclusions.
00:38:44
Reese
drawing conclusions.
00:38:49
Ryne
Sammy doesn't get it, dude.
00:38:51
Reese
There's no way you don't get that, Sammy. You don't get that get the reference? and
00:38:56
Ryne
I'm not writing anything.
00:38:56
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:38:56
Reese
this.
00:38:56
Ryne
I'm drawing. Drawing conclusions.
00:39:00
Cokeley Brothers
What is that?
00:39:01
Reese
Do you like it? It's very generous. You don't know?
00:39:06
Cokeley Brothers
No. What is this?
00:39:08
Ryne
Sammy, you really don't get it? Look it up. Look it up, you fool.
00:39:12
Cokeley Brothers
All right. I'll look it up later.
00:39:13
Reese
put you in a
00:39:14
Cokeley Brothers
92 kilograms.
00:39:15
Reese
A glass box.
00:39:16
Ryne
Trent Heidly, 2-0 over Josh Barr. And I'm a Barr guy.
00:39:20
Cokeley Brothers
Really?
00:39:21
Ryne
Yeah.
00:39:22
Cokeley Brothers
but no, no, no, no. It's from that scene?
00:39:24
Reese
No, it's a different scene, but it's Dennis.
00:39:27
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. It's Dennis. ah Yeah. Give me Trent Heidley 2-0.
00:39:32
Reese
Yeah, trying hardly hardly hardly hardly.
00:39:37
Cokeley Brothers
Heidley Ho is going to get to his underhooks and...
00:39:37
Ryne
this
00:39:38
Reese
Who is zero?
00:39:42
Ryne
Oh, Reese.
00:39:45
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I mean, which is not to say anything negative about Josh Barrett. Josh Barrett obviously really good, but I don't think he's quite... I don't think he can quite handle everything that Trent Heidley brings to the table.
00:39:58
Cokeley Brothers
All them hoagies, you know, it's a lot of food.
00:40:01
Ryne
He's a hoagie guy.
00:40:04
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. Okay. So we can, we can move on pretty quickly. Honestly, we can probably zip through these next two as well.
00:40:08
Ryne
Yep.
00:40:10
Cokeley Brothers
97 Kyle Snyder.
00:40:13
Ryne
Give me Hayden Zilmer two to one.
00:40:14
Cokeley Brothers
Takes up.
00:40:18
Reese
No, now you know what we're going to get? We're going get an ultra-focused Kyle Snyder now. You know, no-nonsense Kyle Snyder. he's He's on the straight and narrow now.
00:40:29
Reese
He's going back to his ankle picks. That's where now we know why he wasn't hitting ankle picks.
00:40:32
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, if he brings out the ankle pick, ah then um'm I'm all this forgiven.
00:40:35
Reese
yeah
00:40:39
Reese
He just lacked the stamina and focus to hit the ankle pick.
00:40:46
Cokeley Brothers
All that time in the hotel.
00:40:47
Reese
Yeah.
00:40:51
Cokeley Brothers
because hes a megama what else pay give you all text what show Okay. ah one twenty five wyat henderson trent hilgar give me wyatt henderson Two tech balls.
00:41:01
Reese
Hendo. Yeah,
00:41:03
Cokeley Brothers
Now, they wrestled at the US Open, and it was a 10-4 match. All of the points were scored in the first period.
00:41:12
Reese
that's what I heard.
00:41:15
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:41:15
Reese
Did he four Wyatt?
00:41:18
Cokeley Brothers
Yes.
00:41:19
Reese
What did he do?
00:41:20
Cokeley Brothers
Double leg.
00:41:22
Reese
Double-egged him.
00:41:23
Cokeley Brothers
Yep.
00:41:24
Reese
Freaking Thor.
00:41:27
Cokeley Brothers
Freaking Thor, man. Uh, and that is, that's men's freestyle. And if you, because I know what you think, I know I'm in your head.
00:41:34
Ryne
2-0 Wyatt. You didn't even ask me what I thought.
00:41:40
Ryne
I could have said Trent.
00:41:42
Cokeley Brothers
If, uh, if you guys are looking for a women's freestyle preview, we don't have it. We don't know what we're talking about. Uh, so there's that.
00:41:50
Reese
You don't know what you're talking about.
00:41:51
Ryne
That would be disingenuous, as they say.
00:41:54
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. That's the word. Uh, Reese, go ahead then.
00:41:58
Reese
Give me... a What's her name at 50 kilograms? Audrey Jimenez.
00:42:07
Ryne
Have a good night, everybody.
00:42:07
Cokeley Brothers
Over.
00:42:09
Reese
Over... ah Over... i don't know. Who is it?
00:42:14
Cokeley Brothers
Aaron Golston.
00:42:16
Reese
Aaron Golson. I knew that. Very good.
00:42:19
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. And then, and then, uh, the next weight class, 53 kilos, we got.
00:42:20
Reese
Very tough.
00:42:22
Reese
And the next weight class is
00:42:28
Reese
ah want to say.
00:42:33
Cokeley Brothers
You don't know one of these girls.
00:42:35
Reese
it? Oh, to to but who is it
00:42:43
Cokeley Brothers
It's Felicity Taylor and Brianna Gonzalez.
00:42:46
Reese
ah
00:42:47
Cokeley Brothers
ah So yeah. that Look, the women's matches are going to good. They're going to going on concurrently.
00:42:52
Reese
then Jakar Winchester, give me Jakar Winchester.
00:42:53
Ryne
Concurrently? That's a big word, Sammy. Say it again.
00:42:56
Cokeley Brothers
to Two mats. There'll be concurrent matches.
00:42:59
Ryne
yeah
00:42:59
Cokeley Brothers
Is that that the right word?
00:43:01
Ryne
No, you got it right. That was perfect, Sammy.
00:43:01
Reese
and
00:43:06
Reese
God, I hate that sound.
00:43:06
Cokeley Brothers
Nice.
00:43:07
Reese
Could it any nerdier?
00:43:09
Cokeley Brothers
What the... Sorry. I needed a keyboard and Katie got this one and she said, I can't use it because of my nails. And I said, give it to me.
00:43:22
Cokeley Brothers
Did you guys see that? I'm assuming he most likely transferring to Armenia.
00:43:27
Ryne
Really?
00:43:28
Reese
I saw that.
00:43:29
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. Yes, that is in the process. And i don't think we'll see him this year, but we might see him soon as in next year.
00:43:33
Ryne
a baller move.
00:43:42
Cokeley Brothers
We'll see. There's a process and there's ah there's ah waiting periods and all that stuff. so He is most likely on his way out of Iran.
00:43:54
Ryne
You don't hear that very often.
00:43:54
Reese
Isn't his daddy a an important man?
00:43:59
Cokeley Brothers
Isn't his dad?
00:43:59
Reese
In the Iranian hierarchy and within the wrestling, Iranian wrestling federation.
00:44:07
Cokeley Brothers
ah have no idea.
00:44:08
Reese
He
00:44:09
Cokeley Brothers
don't know. Ryan, what are you doing down there? Are you playing Pokemon on Nintendo DS? What you doing?
00:44:13
Ryne
Negative, in Clash Royale.
00:44:16
Cokeley Brothers
Reese, what's he doing?
00:44:19
Reese
loves
00:44:23
Cokeley Brothers
Oh my god, dude. You can't just do one thing. You can't just focus on one thing at a time.
00:44:26
Reese
a canon you lot
00:44:27
Ryne
We were done. We were done with it. We were done.
00:44:30
Cokeley Brothers
You've been doing it the whole time.
00:44:31
Reese
He loves his screens.
00:44:31
Ryne
It was Matt Starbo. Sorry, dude. I had to kick Matt Starbo's ass. I beat his brother's ass. Now I'm kicking Matt's ass. I just kick ass at this game, bro. They can't beat me.
00:44:41
Reese
like E-Daz.
00:44:41
Ryne
They're sad. They're sad about it.
00:44:45
Cokeley Brothers
All right. ah
00:44:46
Ryne
Big, sad, Matt Sarbo.
00:44:47
Cokeley Brothers
Other drama. guys want to talk about You guys want to talk about the the Penn State drama that's been happening?
Controversies in Penn State Wrestling
00:44:55
Ryne
What's going on?
00:44:57
Cokeley Brothers
So, Bo Bartlett put out this long-winded statement about the... He's disappointed in the way that people on the wrestling forum for Penn State had talked about his wife.
00:45:14
Cokeley Brothers
And the the reason that they were talking about her, it was spurred on by the fact that Bo Bartlett's wife posted a picture on some platform. i don't know if it was Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook, wherever.
00:45:26
Cokeley Brothers
And it was like Kyle Dake versus Carter Starachi. And she said, thank God the good guy won or something like that. The good guy won.
00:45:31
Ryne
and she's clearly She's clearly got something against Carter.
00:45:36
Cokeley Brothers
Right. And... Then there was from that and what Bo Bartlett said, like, he's like, I'm disappointed in the way the fan base has, uh, really processed this and reacted and gone about it.
00:45:47
Ryne
to that?
00:45:51
Cokeley Brothers
Um, there's things that I have witnessed that I have gone to what I thought were the right people about. And they've told me that there's nothing that can be done. ah and I'm not going to speak about it right now.
00:46:02
Cokeley Brothers
It's been, it's been a tough process for him to, to handle.
00:46:02
Ryne
Shocker.
00:46:07
Cokeley Brothers
Um, And then there's just been these very, very subtle suggestions and then not so subtle suggestions that ah the person or one of the persons in question in terms of this bad behavior that's been happening that's on the team at Penn State is Carter Starachi.
00:46:23
Reese
Very naughty.
00:46:24
Cokeley Brothers
ah Yeah, like Carter Starachi, like harassing his teammates in some capacity.
00:46:25
Ryne
shocker
00:46:31
Reese
Any the klepto?
00:46:31
Ryne
Stealing, harassing.
00:46:33
Reese
He's a kleptomaniac, apparently.
00:46:33
Ryne
There's been a bunch of stuff come out since then.
00:46:36
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, there was an accusation of theft and then there was like, I don't know if it's sexual harassment or what, but
00:46:42
Ryne
It was kind of, it seemed more of like suggesting like grooming.
00:46:42
Cokeley Brothers
um
00:46:45
Reese
theft?
00:46:47
Reese
Grooming.
00:46:48
Cokeley Brothers
something.
00:46:49
Ryne
Like grooming women, you know?
00:46:50
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
00:46:52
Reese
That's a heavy-assie.
00:46:52
Cokeley Brothers
No, I thought it was something like in the locker room.
00:46:57
Ryne
I thought I read something else. Sorry.
00:47:00
Cokeley Brothers
i don't know. I mean, yeah here's the thing. None of it's fact. we We have not, we don't know what the facts are. Yeah.
00:47:06
Reese
He's stealing, grooming, and harassing. All in a locker room?
00:47:12
Cokeley Brothers
yeah I don't know.
00:47:15
Ryne
i yeah All in the locker room.
00:47:21
Ryne
Could be. um Probably none of it, though.
00:47:21
Cokeley Brothers
So there's that going on with Penn state and it's dude, people are, people are taking it for a spin.
00:47:28
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, I, I showed you guys that post that, uh, God, I can't remember what Twitter account did it. Uh, but it's a,
00:47:35
Ryne
let's Listen, here's how here's how it is, guys. Here's how it is. Do we hope, do we hope, we hope it's nothing big, obviously.
00:47:40
Cokeley Brothers
tell us.
00:47:44
Ryne
Hopefully it's like, um it's nothing to like,
00:47:50
Ryne
nothing that would, that would make you be like, oh holy cow, this guy's awful person. But also at the same time,
00:47:57
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:48:00
Ryne
you know, you kind of feel like he's suggesting like, That it's somebody who is like an icon for Penn State. That's what I'm saying. You know umm you know what I mean?
00:48:14
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:48:14
Ryne
i And i don't want to I obviously don't want to point fingers at at Carter because it could be could be Carter. It could be Aaron Brooks. could be Ed Ruth.
00:48:29
Ryne
could be...
00:48:29
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, I mean, could be Ed Ruth.
00:48:30
Reese
Ed Ruth is there?
00:48:32
Ryne
No, Ed Ruth is at Illinois.
00:48:33
Cokeley Brothers
Ed Ruth is at Illinois.
00:48:33
Ryne
But um you know what I mean? Do you know what I'm trying to say?
00:48:38
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I think I I think I get what you're saying. And um I don't know, because like there have been not there have been less than glowing things that have been happening at Penn State.
00:48:49
Ryne
but What if it's Greg? What if he's talking about Greg Kirkfleet?
00:48:52
Cokeley Brothers
Right. With.
00:48:55
Reese
Greg Jones?
00:48:58
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. Uh, cause like people have been, people have been listing things off.
00:49:01
Ryne
What if you're talking about David Taylor?
00:49:03
Cokeley Brothers
Like they're like Thomas Gilman suspended for dodging drug tests and Kyle Snyder got arrested and Aaron Brooks was, uh, failed the drug test, uh, pending allegations and Bray Davis got arrested.
00:49:20
Cokeley Brothers
Penn States, Penn States go down the drain. Their ethics don't exist. It's like, All right, you guys are in a reach with like half that stuff.
00:49:27
Ryne
some of it, but the what to the Thomas Gilman, to some of the stuff about Thomas Gilman, if Thomas wasn't actually planning on retiring, then why didn't he do his
Thomas Gilman's Retirement Rumors
00:49:42
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I mean, i i dude I have no idea. And I i mean, i think there must be... there
00:49:49
Ryne
Me, all that means is that he was, i don't think, I'm not trying to suggest that Thomas was on anything.
00:49:54
Ryne
I'm trying to say that he probably was actually considering like being done competing at one point in time.
00:50:03
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, yeah. No, I mean, absolutely. He was 100% going back and forth in terms of am I going to retire or am I not going to be retired?
00:50:10
Ryne
Well, there, there was, yeah, I mean, there well, there was people who are like saying like, uh, he, uh,
00:50:11
Cokeley Brothers
Or at least that's what it looked like to me.
00:50:19
Ryne
ah
00:50:22
Ryne
was never planning on retiring, like blah, blah, blah. Like this, that, the other. I don't And I was like, well, then why would David Taylor say that he was like, they were both retired. You know what i mean?
00:50:32
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, and like maybe, maybe cause I can't remember at what point it was this year that Thomas Gilman put out that Instagram post yeah and it just said not retired.
00:50:46
Cokeley Brothers
um
00:50:47
Ryne
That was right before his match against ah the Cuban that trains at Iowa State.
00:50:52
Cokeley Brothers
Cuban. Yeah. So like that was in the middle of the year. Maybe things already like we're boiling over with him in the Oklahoma state situation. And so he was like, just trying to counteract what David Taylor said, which is that Thomas Gilman is retired.
00:51:09
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. That's a reach, but um
00:51:11
Reese
You're reaching there, buddy.
00:51:14
Cokeley Brothers
I'm reaching and look, Penn state, they're having, they have a couple of blemishes and that's okay. People get arrested. <unk> Programs regularly have you know people on the team do things that don't look good.
00:51:22
Reese
that Wow, very diplomatic.
00:51:31
Cokeley Brothers
um It's just about how it's handled moving forward.
00:51:42
Reese
They should pay you for that, that for your PR skills there.
00:51:42
Cokeley Brothers
Yes.
00:51:47
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, I'm not, this is not specifically for Penn state. This is for programs as a whole, because you will see this look in a couple of years. I, I wouldn't be super surprised if something happens with Oklahoma state.
00:51:58
Cokeley Brothers
And then people are going to be like, man, Oklahoma state really falling off the wagon. Like it wouldn't surprise me if that happens. So.
00:52:06
Ryne
All right.
00:52:07
Reese
Yeah, haters.
00:52:08
Ryne
Can we play the what if game?
00:52:08
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Sure.
00:52:11
Cokeley Brothers
Sure.
00:52:12
Reese
can't play the weather game. going to to Cowboys like that.
00:52:15
Ryne
No.
00:52:17
Ryne
I'm going to circle it back to Penn State.
00:52:20
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:52:22
Ryne
What if...
00:52:26
Ryne
Bo Bassett does have damaging information? What if there is damaging...
00:52:33
Reese
oh Bassett.
00:52:34
Ryne
not Bo Bastard, Bo Bartlett, excuse me.
00:52:35
Cokeley Brothers
Bartlett.
00:52:39
Ryne
You know what I'm saying? Like, how does that, what what do we, does that change our perception of kale?
00:52:41
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:52:47
Ryne
Does that change our perception of, you know what saying? Like Penn state.
00:52:52
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I mean, i think it would be I think it would be, depending on the gravity of what he knows, of what Bo Bartlett knows and who he went to about it, I think it would be a kind of a tough look if like something serious happened.
00:52:52
Reese
Maybe a little bit.
00:52:53
Ryne
All right. It's,
00:53:03
Ryne
Well, because to me, to me, it's like,
00:53:08
Cokeley Brothers
go ahead.
00:53:12
Ryne
you know, you didn't need, let's say, all right. Let's say this is all about Carter Strachey. He's done something that's like pretty damaging or whatever.
00:53:26
Ryne
Like enough damaging enough that like Kale probably could have dismissed him from the team.
00:53:33
Ryne
does the Does the fact that he doesn't dismiss him, even though he could have won a national title without him, change our perception on Kale?
00:53:44
Reese
if we find out that it's real bad.
00:53:46
Ryne
Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:48
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, i mean, if it's like a like a
00:53:49
Ryne
why did you keep Why would you keep... If if this guy is is doing something that could potentially hurt your reputation, why would you keep him on your squad even if you didn't need him to win to begin with?
00:54:02
Reese
Or if he yeah, if he was doing things that he was doing some really over the line uncool stuff to other kids on your team. Yeah. Why would you keep him around?
00:54:11
Ryne
Yeah.
00:54:16
Cokeley Brothers
It's a good question. And I don't know. I mean, I just can't really. i don't know if I can see that.
00:54:27
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
00:54:29
Reese
Yeah, I'm going to lean on the side that it's being blown out of proportion. I'm going to lean on the side of Bartlett is maybe blowing it out of proportion.
00:54:35
Cokeley Brothers
i
00:54:40
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. I'm not surprised if that's the case.
00:54:44
Reese
um'm I'm tired of these. um'm I'm over the like, you know, yeah, exactly, yeah.
00:54:49
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:54:49
Reese
you know
00:54:50
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. I know things that would shock your mind.
00:54:51
Reese
like oh yeah
00:54:53
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:54:53
Reese
exactly Oh, this guy's on steroids. Oh, this guy's taking drugs. Blah, blah, blah. These things are happening at this place.
00:55:00
Ryne
I mean, everyone is like is over that kind of stuff now, right?
00:55:00
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:55:05
Reese
Yeah.
00:55:07
Cokeley Brothers
I hope so.
00:55:07
Reese
I mean, I guess not, though.
00:55:08
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, that dude, there's there's always drama frogs on the social media platforms that they just want yap about whatever the drama is. And especially if it's against a team that they don't like, dude, they are so ready to hop on it and just...
00:55:18
Reese
Drama frogs?
00:55:21
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:55:21
Reese
Oh, because they hop on it?
00:55:23
Cokeley Brothers
and Sure. I guess. I don't know.
00:55:24
Reese
why they're drumming frogs?
00:55:26
Cokeley Brothers
ah Is it a thing? that i I didn't make that up. There's no way I made that up.
00:55:33
Cokeley Brothers
Drama...
00:55:37
Reese
Have you ever heard that, Ryan?
00:55:44
Cokeley Brothers
What?
00:55:47
Reese
Just popped in your your brain.
00:55:49
Cokeley Brothers
Well, yeah, because I looked up drama frog and i got the frog, which is a South Korean TV series. um
00:55:56
Ryne
look up, uh,
00:55:57
Cokeley Brothers
The frog refers to an old Korean saying a frog dies from a stone thrown inadvertently, which means people's actions can have unintended negative consequences for others.
00:56:08
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, your pursuit of this drama can can possibly... ah i don't know, damage someone's life.
00:56:12
Reese
You think that's where you got it from the South Korean from a South Korean TV show?
00:56:14
Cokeley Brothers
i don't know. Yeah, because actually do remember watching that. So, yeah, that...
00:56:19
Reese
Oh, there you have it.
00:56:21
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:56:21
Reese
That time you're in Seoul.
00:56:22
Cokeley Brothers
No, I... I have no... I have no idea.
00:56:31
Cokeley Brothers
where Where did I get that from?
00:56:36
Cokeley Brothers
I didn't come up with it. Anyway... and If you guys want to wrap it up, I'm ready.
00:56:43
Reese
Play it.
00:56:44
Ryne
I'm ready.
00:56:46
Cokeley Brothers
All right, everybody. I hope you, if you're still listening, you have a good day. And if you're still listening, go ahead and subscribe. And that's the end of the episode.
00:56:52
Reese
I hope you have a better day.
00:56:56
Cokeley Brothers
All right. And Ryan says goodbye. He's playing Clash Royale. Goodbye. Have a good day.
00:57:00
Ryne
No, I'm not.
00:57:01
Cokeley Brothers
Goodbye.