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National Duals Invitational Recap - Session 95
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The boys recap the copious amount of action that went down this weekend in Tulsa, Oklahoma at the National Duals Invitational. Stars shined, teams pulled off big upsets and a surprise team has entered the #2 spot after an incredibly eventful weekend. Tune in and let us know what we missed!
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Introduction and Setup
00:00:02
Cokeley Brothers
Welcome back, everybody, to another Barn Session. It's just the two of us today. Good old Reese and Sammy tag team, because Ryan is busy at the moment.
National Duels Invitational Debate
00:00:16
Cokeley Brothers
um But we got a lot of exciting stuff to talk about, particularly the National Duels Invitational um and but and everything that happened there and in events surrounding it.
00:00:27
Cokeley Brothers
um Yeah, Reese, give me your initial thoughts. on the event and on the weekend.
00:00:34
Squim
My initial thoughts...
00:00:38
Squim
Where was Penn State?
00:00:40
Cokeley Brothers
Where were they?
00:00:40
Squim
I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Those are not my initial thoughts. um don't really care that much that Penn State was there. It would have nice if they were there, but who really cares?
00:00:49
Cokeley Brothers
Let's get down to the real problem.
Penn State's Absence Impact
00:00:51
Squim
so The real issue?
00:00:51
Cokeley Brothers
Where were the Nittany Lions? Why is Kale scared?
00:00:53
Squim
Why? Why does Kale hate wrestling? And... why has he got Why does he have to make it everybody else's problem, what he does?
00:01:02
Cokeley Brothers
i I do have, we're kind of making it, we're making it our problem.
00:01:07
Squim
I'm kidding. I'm not.
00:01:08
Cokeley Brothers
sort of Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:01:08
Squim
I don't care.
00:01:10
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. um I, I have a bit, I have a segment that I want to I want to dig into like, not necessarily the fact that Penn state wasn't there, but that happening caused a lot of dialogue that I want to address.
Ohio State's Dominance
00:01:26
Cokeley Brothers
But we can talk about the actual wrestling first. So yeah. Tell me about,
00:01:29
Squim
not Well, Ohio State is obviously the thing that pops into my mind first. Ohio State and basically how they're, um they kind of, they went Penn State on everybody's ass, for lack of a better term.
00:01:45
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, they, i mean, their record over four rules was 31 and nine. I think they had four or maybe five guys.
00:01:57
Cokeley Brothers
i guess they went undefeated 125, 133, 141, 157, and 285.
Semifinals Analysis: Ohio State vs. Nebraska
00:01:59
Cokeley Brothers
they, think half their weights undefeated. Yeah. Yeah. and two eighty five so they i think they half their weights when undefeated um yeah It was, I don't know.
00:02:15
Cokeley Brothers
I felt like it made sense for them to handle day one. But then going into the semis up against Nebraska, I was i was like like, man, this is going to be a really interesting duel. And it was beating.
Nebraska's Performance Issues
00:02:30
Cokeley Brothers
It was bad. it was bad
00:02:34
Squim
Yeah, I mean, i picked Nebraska to win that duel via criteria, 16-15 whatever. And yeah, obviously that was way I was way off there.
00:02:47
Squim
It didn't go that way.
00:02:48
Cokeley Brothers
yeah ah Dude, I mean, it was just, i you know, if you break down the duel, like Nebraska losing 25, that's not a huge surprise.
00:03:02
Cokeley Brothers
um But then 133, mean, did Vandy even wrestle? i don't even remember if Vandy wrestled or not.
00:03:08
Squim
No.
00:03:10
Cokeley Brothers
Vandy didn't wrestle. Brock Hardy's got a chance to beat Jesse Mendes, but doesn't get the job done. It just, their luck, they Things didn't pan out for them. And I feel like.
00:03:22
Cokeley Brothers
I feel like. On trail tailors overvalued. Well, it was going into this.
00:03:29
Squim
I mean, I definitely overvalued him. my I guess i ah it's hard not to look at him as... returning, you know, like you would look at a most returning national champs, you know, you look at them a little differently than you do the rest of the field.
00:03:45
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I don't know.
00:03:46
Squim
Um,
00:03:46
Cokeley Brothers
It just... I don't know.
00:03:49
Squim
oh, I mean, yeah, he was not that guy, ah this weekend.
00:03:53
Cokeley Brothers
No, he... i mean,
Entrell Taylor's Form: A Critique
00:03:57
Cokeley Brothers
he did... i guess if I look at at his... Because they wrestled at the Navy Classic. And if I look at those match results, he took care of business. He didn't have any really major challenges.
00:04:06
Cokeley Brothers
um But looked slow um at the Army Duel. And then... Rizinski kind of caught him. um That'll happen. and but But then, I mean, just the way he wrestled Brandon Cannon.
National Champions' Weekend Upsets
00:04:24
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know if it's i don't know if i should if I should be putting more stock into Brandon Cannon or if I should be taking into consideration the idea that maybe Entrell Taylor is not the same person that he was last year necessarily.
00:04:24
Squim
and
00:04:38
Squim
I don't know. I don't, I think he, I think last year he had his ups and downs too. I mean, he got pinned in the big 10 finals last year or no, he got pinned in the semis.
00:04:48
Cokeley Brothers
semis no yeah
00:04:49
Squim
Yeah. And took fourth or whatever. Yeah.
Nebraska vs. Michigan Rivalry
00:04:53
Squim
yeah I think he did third. Right.
00:04:55
Cokeley Brothers
yeah I don't know ah because like yeah if from the returning national champs that we had from last year which is like Vince Robinson Lucas Bird Antrell Taylor ah Jesse Mendes Mitchell Mezenbrink and I think that's it
00:04:55
Squim
I think
00:04:59
Squim
and I'll be fine.
00:05:16
Squim
Pains.
00:05:17
Cokeley Brothers
Haynes didn't win it last year.
00:05:19
Squim
Oh, yeah.
00:05:20
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, I think that's a, yes, that's it.
Nebraska's Wrestling Strategies
00:05:25
Cokeley Brothers
Um, two of them were like, in my mind, like, yeah, these guys, you wrestle that there's a very high likelihood that they are not going to win it again.
00:05:35
Cokeley Brothers
And it was, they both lost this weekend. So with that in mind, yeah, I don't know. Uh, Normally you see Penn or not Penn state, Nebraska. Normally you see Nebraska do really well at this time of the year. Like when you think about them going to the CKLV, they typically look great.
00:05:54
Cokeley Brothers
Um, and on day one, they look fine, but on day two, they looked terrible.
00:05:59
Squim
Terrible. They didn't look so good ah against, what n seat was it NC State? Or who did they all and the corners i was in State.
00:06:11
Cokeley Brothers
ah Quarters would have been...
00:06:19
Cokeley Brothers
cannot remember right now.
00:06:19
Squim
It was Michigan. They didn't look that great against Michigan.
00:06:22
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, that's true. That's true. Brock Mantonona beat Silas Allred.
Ohio State's Rising Status
00:06:27
Cokeley Brothers
um
00:06:30
Cokeley Brothers
LJ Rujau did not even wrestle.
00:06:35
Cokeley Brothers
Who else here? and um Van D wrestled. Yeah, Lauritsen and Kohler, I don't know who they're going to start between those two, but they they look they looked fine. that Just nothing, you know.
00:06:46
Cokeley Brothers
I guess McDaniel had a close match. That Hayden Walters kid, I don't know. I don't know about him yet. Maybe. um But the Ferrari major, Tegadalia, I was pretty impressed by that.
00:06:56
Squim
Yeah.
00:06:59
Cokeley Brothers
But, yeah. I mean,
00:07:06
Cokeley Brothers
i think Ohio State's that team this year. They, you know, the rankings, the new rankings came out today. that's It's Tuesday afternoon. And I don't think they're going to be, i still don't think they're going to be even in the same stratosphere as Penn State, but they're definitely the number two
Iowa's Wrestling Struggles
00:07:26
Cokeley Brothers
team right now. they And I think, I tweeted about this. I think they're probably, they probably have the best starting three 125 141. don't know.
00:07:36
Cokeley Brothers
i don't know
00:07:36
Squim
Oh, how's it?
00:07:38
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I don't know who you would put out, who who's going to be a better option between McCrone and Bousakis.
00:07:38
Squim
Yeah. I mean...
00:07:42
Cokeley Brothers
I would lean Bousakis, considering he's got the better wins.
00:07:43
Squim
Yeah.
00:07:45
Cokeley Brothers
um But then Devino and Mendez. ah if if you If we get a final this year at 133 between Ben Devino and Marcus Blaze, that's that's very realistic, even with Bird, Ayala, Crookham, and everybody else at 133.
00:08:03
Cokeley Brothers
And who was the last person who's the last person to beat Marcus Blaze in folk
00:08:03
Squim
Yeah.
00:08:08
Squim
I believe that was one Ben DeVino.
00:08:10
Cokeley Brothers
It was Ben DeVino. So I don't know who to who to pick there. And then, yeah, Jesse Mendes, you know, Brock Hardy.
00:08:19
Squim
i hope I hope that isn't the final. I hope one of these other dudes steps up.
00:08:23
Cokeley Brothers
How come? Who?
00:08:27
Squim
Crookum or Bird, really. That's about it.
00:08:29
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I think those are your two main options. Maybe... No, that's really it. And and maybe Bird. I could see it with Bird. Crookam, I just...
00:08:41
Cokeley Brothers
I get worried about a person who's, who's been off the mat for 11 months, you know?
00:08:41
Squim
I
00:08:44
Squim
i think, ah well, I mean, he's been off the mat for a lot longer than that and then come back and and looked took like really sharp.
00:08:53
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, that's true.
00:08:53
Squim
You know, I think when he's when he's wrestling, you really have to worry a a lot about him. Because I don't know he looks he's locked in like every time he steps on the mat, it seems like.
00:09:03
Cokeley Brothers
That's true. Yeah. Maybe, maybe, ah maybe it's not a problem. I just, I get, I get worried in general just about people who like, when you can't have a complete season or when you're, when you, when you come back in like early or mid January and it's just kind of difficult when you've been through a full season to like get yourself back into the cadence to peak in March the right way.
00:09:26
Squim
Yeah.
00:09:26
Cokeley Brothers
i don't know.
Injuries Impacting Iowa
00:09:27
Squim
So why didn't they have him or Stanich or Taylor?
00:09:30
Cokeley Brothers
I believe it's Stanich hurt his knee at U twenties. Crookham is still working his way back into it. And I think the same thing, same situation with Taylor. I think it's all just injury related.
00:09:42
Squim
Just precautionary.
00:09:44
Cokeley Brothers
pretty much is what it, what it seemed like.
00:09:44
Squim
Hopefully.
00:09:48
Cokeley Brothers
There's been a lot of that, honestly, across the board. um You know, we know Cornell Meyer Shapiro had the opportunity to compete this semester, but it's just playing it safe, which is, it's fine.
00:09:58
Squim
but So why did he actually choose between wrestling this semester and not wrestling this semester?
00:09:59
Cokeley Brothers
It's not, um
00:10:04
Cokeley Brothers
no, no, he he just made it. It was, it was just a choice in terms of like, he could have wrestled this semester.
00:10:11
Squim
why does it why Why wait the whole semester though?
00:10:11
Cokeley Brothers
Um,
00:10:15
Cokeley Brothers
I mean,
00:10:18
Cokeley Brothers
I don't think
Penn State's Recent Highlights
00:10:19
Cokeley Brothers
it's an intention of like, I don't think that.
00:10:23
Squim
That's just when they think he's going to be healthy.
00:10:25
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I don't think I don't think it has anything to do with at semester. I'm pretty sure.
00:10:28
Squim
Is
00:10:30
Cokeley Brothers
I think it's just like, hey, we're just play it safe. We'll wrestle January, February, March. And I think actually maybe he'll come back late December. So.
00:10:39
Squim
it just a head concussion thing or what the hell does that mean?
00:10:42
Cokeley Brothers
Pitch count.
00:10:44
Cokeley Brothers
I think it's just pitch count. Keep them keep all the gears turning. I don't know, Reese. i'm not I'm not in the coach's seat at that at that program.
00:10:55
Cokeley Brothers
But that's I feel like those are the things roughly that have been talked about.
00:10:55
Squim
What?
00:10:59
Cokeley Brothers
um But yeah, and like you know Lorenzo Norman and and Nico Provo, we still haven't seen for Stanford. They're still recovering as well. like Just across Josh Barr's not healthy from his injury.
00:11:12
Cokeley Brothers
Rumor has it that he might be, might be more serious than what was initially expected. But yeah, even if that were the case, because Penn State did wrestle this weekend.
00:11:20
Squim
Mark?
00:11:26
Cokeley Brothers
It was against Oklahoma, which is not a challenge, but there was a couple of interesting weight classes. One of them was 197 with D'Anthony Parker and um Cole, no, Connor Mirasola went out there and majored him,
Iowa's Wrestling Culture and Expectations
00:11:42
Cokeley Brothers
put the hands on him. So,
00:11:44
Cokeley Brothers
Even if they don't have Josh Barr, Mirasola is going to be plenty and plenty.
00:11:49
Squim
What's wrong with Josh Potter?
00:11:50
Cokeley Brothers
Wait, it's his rib from U23s.
00:11:50
Squim
Is it his ankle or? Yeah.
00:11:57
Cokeley Brothers
You remember this?
00:11:58
Squim
Not really.
00:12:00
Cokeley Brothers
He's wrestling the Iranian and got gave gave up a takedown and the Iranian started working a gut. And after the first turn, was it that was all she wrote.
00:12:12
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. But, um, back to the duels, Ohio state wins. Iowa takes second place. What do you feel about Iowa? I felt, I felt good about them personally overall.
00:12:26
Squim
Dude, they don't score enough.
00:12:31
Squim
Period.
00:12:31
Cokeley Brothers
Yes. Yes. Agreed. Um,
00:12:36
Squim
They're the same issue. they They go out and they say it like in their post-match interviews. They talk about how they need to score more. Like literally, it's like a common, it's with every single one of them.
00:12:46
Squim
They're like, I need to score more and they don't score more. And you know what? It's not just Iowa.
00:12:50
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:12:50
Squim
It's like all, it's like everybody it feels like, but
00:12:52
Cokeley Brothers
That's a lot of, yeah.
00:12:54
Squim
Iowa, you know, in particular has had this problem for, you know, the last 10, 15 years. fifteen years
00:13:00
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. I, I totally understand where you're coming from. And you saw it with a couple of people like and Dean Peterson wasn't really doing a whole lot. He
Iowa vs. Iowa State Anticipation
00:13:08
Cokeley Brothers
wasn't generating a whole lot of offense. Drake. I all, it didn't seem like he could rely reliably get to any sort of offense.
00:13:14
Cokeley Brothers
Angelo Ferrari was just selectively deciding, you know what? I'm not going to try and score until the third period. But anytime he wanted wanted to go out there and score, he could do it.
00:13:25
Squim
Yeah.
00:13:26
Cokeley Brothers
Anytime he wanted to to put create a position where you know so the winner is going to navigate and and and score the takedown, it's going to be him. um So hopefully he just chooses.
00:13:35
Squim
and even with him, dude, I'm like less like, I don't, I don't, I follow him less than the other guys because I know he's like, he's, he's just doing what he does. Like, I don't think he has in his mind. I don't think he's thinking, God, I wish I would pull the trigger right now.
00:13:55
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:13:55
Squim
unlike someone like Drake, who is, who you're, you're losing six by six points in the third period with a minute and a half, a minute to go. And you're not doing anything, dude.
00:14:05
Squim
You're not doing anything to win the match.
00:14:08
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:14:08
Squim
That's, that's mostly what I'm talking about.
00:14:11
Cokeley Brothers
For sure, for sure. Like it, it, it, uh, even, even Caliendo was, was pretty stifled. Um, however, huh?
00:14:17
Squim
Something's got to be wrong with him. He's got to, he's got to have some kind of like, injury or something because he seemed off.
00:14:28
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe. i don't know. He, yeah, I don't know. Patty Gallagher it could be like a tough, could be a tough out at 165 if he's, if he's firing on all cylinders.
00:14:40
Squim
He was just
Oklahoma State's Freshmen Spotlight
00:14:41
Squim
wasn't firing like like this weekend.
00:14:43
Cokeley Brothers
Yes.
00:14:44
Squim
Right.
00:14:45
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Cause like I would have expected some sort of back and forth between him and Ladarian Lockett. Um, but we didn't, we didn't see that.
00:14:51
Squim
right
00:14:53
Cokeley Brothers
Um, it was all Ladarian. in like counter position from, from Calino. It's like, okay, you have the power clearly by the way you're navigating, um, defending Lydarian shots, get your own offense going.
00:15:05
Squim
Yeah.
00:15:05
Cokeley Brothers
But with that being said, to me, there were two major, well, yeah there were two of a couple of like four major questions that were answered.
00:15:06
Squim
i was born.
00:15:17
Cokeley Brothers
One was a one 49 and that's writer block and writer block is good. Writer block is, you know, in a weight class that is rough right now. It is not rife with talent.
00:15:31
Cokeley Brothers
Um, but he's showing up looking way better than he did last year at 141. Um, and it looked, he looks like a guy who can, he could who could be a national finalist or could be like around a 12. Cause that's kind of just the way one 49 is right now.
00:15:46
Cokeley Brothers
Um,
00:15:47
Squim
Yeah, i I agree. I liked i thought Ryder looked really good. um I thought it was pretty questionable. his i don't i think he had um I felt like that was like a brain fart. I haven't really watched a lot of his scrambling, but don't know how that was like pretty, ah I don't know.
00:16:05
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:16:06
Squim
The scrambling there at the end was like, What are you doing dude? How'd you give that up?
00:16:10
Cokeley Brothers
With, uh,
00:16:10
Squim
I was more frustrated with the fact that he he was about to make it whatever, like or 21-0.
00:16:19
Cokeley Brothers
yeah. When he was wrestling styles.
00:16:22
Squim
Yeah, I wanted to see him win that match.
00:16:23
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:16:25
Squim
And he kind of had it.
00:16:25
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:25
Squim
don't know how you give that takedown up there at the end.
00:16:29
Cokeley Brothers
Right.
00:16:30
Squim
You gotta hustle in those scrambling positions.
00:16:30
Cokeley Brothers
Um,
00:16:34
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I think it's ah the more the more we see him on the mat, the better, I think.
00:16:38
Squim
Yeah.
00:16:39
Cokeley Brothers
And then ah another one where i have the exact same sentiment is is in Dean at 197, that
Oklahoma State vs. Iowa Recap
00:16:44
Cokeley Brothers
he will, the more he gets acclimated to his his opponents and the the competition that he's up against, the better he will do by the time we reach March.
00:16:54
Cokeley Brothers
um Seems like he's gaining confidence. Seems like he understands, like, I can i can do these things that I'm that i'm used to doing, even at this level. So both of those are generally like they're, they're pretty, they were pretty big potential holes in the lineup and they feel pretty well answered. Now it feels like they have a pretty complete lineup.
00:17:17
Cokeley Brothers
Now the, the problems that I still see are, can Ben Keeter get healthy? ah Can Jordan Williams consistently be on the mat and consistently generating offense? Cause all of his, well, all of what I've seen so far for him is like,
00:17:32
Cokeley Brothers
singular scores that put up big points and that's cool but give me give me a go-to takedown give me something consistent kind of the same thing with this year Bailey but not as much
00:17:46
Squim
Yeah, this year did not look, not look great.
00:17:49
Cokeley Brothers
yeah I yeah so I mean between that Dean Peterson getting an upset win over Troy Spratly Drake Iola could look better
00:17:50
Squim
Did not look like he really even wanted to be out there.
Iowa's Transfer Strategies
00:18:02
Cokeley Brothers
but I don't, I'm not like, I'm not like this is concerning because it's, it's November.
00:18:08
Squim
and see It's more of the same, you asked me.
00:18:08
Cokeley Brothers
And I mean, he lost to Tyler Knox last year. Yeah.
00:18:12
Squim
More of the same with the transfers, the transfer situation. such a It's like a total crapshoot with transfers, it seems. With every program, any program.
00:18:22
Cokeley Brothers
i I probably could have had, I had a pretty good guess of what you were getting whenever you, whenever they went after or, you know, the, the agreement came to be for Nasir Bailey and Jordan Williams.
00:18:34
Cokeley Brothers
I could like, just based on their, I think, I think Tom brands is, you know, he's got, I think he's got a relatively open door policy for people who are like, if you're excited about the idea of being a Hawkeye and being a part of this family, like we are, we will buy in, um, is what it feels like.
00:18:37
Squim
Yeah, why they do it then? What's even the point?
00:18:57
Squim
We will buy in as in spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on you.
00:19:03
Cokeley Brothers
Speculation.
00:19:04
Squim
Yeah.
00:19:06
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. i i I don't have enough of an understanding.
00:19:08
Squim
that' not truth so I don't get buying these these guys through the transfer portal and, you know, placing them over, you know, guys you who have been in the room for multiple years.
00:19:10
Cokeley Brothers
Huh.
00:19:22
Squim
I just think it's it sucks for the sport in general.
00:19:25
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:19:25
Squim
Especially when it's half your lineup.
00:19:25
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:19:28
Squim
I mean, when it's two guys, it's not that big of a deal. But when it's four, five, six guys, it's too much.
00:19:32
Cokeley Brothers
No.
00:19:35
Cokeley Brothers
No. They have four.
00:19:37
Squim
Yeah.
00:19:38
Cokeley Brothers
Or do they have more? Is it just four?
00:19:39
Squim
One, two. I think they have five. 125, 33, 41, 57, 65. what Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:43
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, yeah.
00:19:44
Squim
but forty one
00:19:44
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:46
Squim
fifty seven
00:19:46
Cokeley Brothers
It's five.
00:19:47
Squim
thirty five
00:19:47
Cokeley Brothers
It's peterson Peterson, Bailey, Williams, Caliendo, and Dean.
00:19:47
Squim
<unk>
00:19:50
Squim
yeah
00:19:52
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. Yeah. i don't know. But I like this Iowa team. I like the way they look.
00:19:59
Squim
wow
00:20:02
Cokeley Brothers
I do, just like in general.
00:20:02
Squim
Oh, no, pretty good. I like him.
Iowa's Wrestling Legacy
00:20:05
Cokeley Brothers
i you know i feel like it's a team that can contend for a trophy in the postseason, so I don't mind it.
00:20:11
Squim
Yeah. I mean, I think Iowa fans feel differently from from what you're feeling there.
00:20:13
Cokeley Brothers
um
00:20:17
Cokeley Brothers
who What fans?
00:20:18
Squim
Iowa fans.
00:20:20
Cokeley Brothers
Ah, whatever.
00:20:21
Squim
I think they want a little more than that.
00:20:21
Cokeley Brothers
look They're very used to to going out there and being in ah in a sort of a toss-up duel and getting and getting away with it, kind of like what they did against Oklahoma State. um But you're going to take your lumps every now and again.
00:20:33
Cokeley Brothers
And honestly, they might be taken taking a lump here in two weeks.
00:20:37
Squim
it's Iowa, Sammy.
00:20:38
Cokeley Brothers
The Seahawk duel. Huh?
00:20:41
Squim
I said it's Iowa. theyre they don't They don't expect to take lumps, period.
00:20:45
Cokeley Brothers
Well, I'm a man of reality, okay? And I understand the idea that they're goingnna're you're going to lose sometimes.
00:20:51
Squim
Well, the reality is is that they've had success in the past, like, of the same magnitude that Penn State is having.
00:20:51
Cokeley Brothers
You're not always going to win.
00:20:59
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:20:59
Squim
So their expectations are, why can't we be like that?
00:20:59
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:21:02
Cokeley Brothers
i
00:21:02
Squim
Yeah.
00:21:03
Cokeley Brothers
I get it. You miss the glory days. Okay, but i don't know what to tell you.
Oklahoma State's Freshmen Analysis
00:21:10
Cokeley Brothers
But they wrestle Iowa State in two weeks.
00:21:13
Cokeley Brothers
That is a duel I have circled. don't know about you.
00:21:17
Squim
I mean, i circle it every year, and every year, i will say Jesus.
00:21:19
Cokeley Brothers
Every year. ye that's true.
00:21:22
Squim
So at least they got that going for them. They got that 20-plus year streak.
00:21:25
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, but they own the state.
00:21:26
Squim
Like KU K-State football.
00:21:31
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:21:34
Cokeley Brothers
But yeah, that's Iowa. um All right. Third place, Oklahoma State.
00:21:40
Squim
They look good.
00:21:42
Cokeley Brothers
it's It's the season of the freshmen. This is actually, this ties into, we saw this this summer. The senior level of freestyle wrestling, a lot of the older talent started to work its way out.
00:21:59
Cokeley Brothers
And we saw a changing of the guard. We saw a young team, newer wrestlers, and they had success. ah And we're seeing the exact same thing happening this season.
00:22:10
Cokeley Brothers
Not just with Oklahoma State. We're seeing it across the board.
Weight Class Tactics Discussion
00:22:13
Cokeley Brothers
um But particularly at Oklahoma State, there are
00:22:21
Cokeley Brothers
three true freshmen in the lineup. And every single one of them, I think, is in the top three right now. Sergio Vega, Landon Rabideau, and Ladarian Lockett.
00:22:34
Cokeley Brothers
And then Ronnie Ramirez might be the guy at 133. Because Richie Figgs, after he didn't get the nod to start against Iowa, I think he dipped. I didn't see him for the rest of the event.
00:22:46
Squim
Really?
00:22:46
Cokeley Brothers
um I mean, i don't know. But those those freshmen are good.
00:22:57
Squim
Yeah.
00:22:57
Cokeley Brothers
They are very good. And they were a they were about five seconds away from beating Iowa. If Troy Spratley wrestles that match a little bit smarter for about five to ten more seconds, they win that match.
00:23:13
Squim
What a ding dong.
00:23:14
Cokeley Brothers
what It was a ding-dong situation. i I mean, it was he he's in on the leg. There's short time left. Keep control of it and drive, elevate...
00:23:28
Cokeley Brothers
Move the position around in a way that doesn't compromise you. And hats off to Dean Peterson for finding a way to snatch victory from the jaws of a defeat. Cause that was, that was what he did. And it was impressive, but Troy Spratly, uh, Ramirez
Oklahoma State's Lineup Speculations
00:23:45
Cokeley Brothers
or, um, or figs, whoever gets the nod Vega, um, Swiderski who have some concerns about Rabideau,
00:23:55
Squim
Picks, dude. Honestly, i'm I'm more... I would lean more towards taking Swiderski out than Figgs, if anything.
00:24:01
Cokeley Brothers
Yes. I want to talk about Swiderski and Zack Ryder. um I think that I think they should play around with 133 and with 149. I don't know what the deal is with.
00:24:16
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, maybe this is what I was.
00:24:17
Squim
got Thompson and and Rob waiting in the wings.
00:24:19
Cokeley Brothers
This is what I was worried about. This is what I was worried about at 184 with Zack Ryder prior to the All-Star Classic because I went back and I watched his matches from last year when he was redshirting at Penn State He's wrestling at the Southern scuffle. And I'm like, he's winning the matches, but it's a lot of pushing.
00:24:35
Cokeley Brothers
It's a lot of hand fight. It's not a lot of offense. Uh, and people like he pinned all American TJ Stewart. I'm like, did you watch the match though? What did you watch the actual events that transpired?
00:24:46
Squim
You know, if you don't try to throw him.
00:24:47
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, TJ threw him and got the takedown. And then like on a scramble in the second period, which is the next scoring exchange. Um,
00:24:58
Cokeley Brothers
Ryder just catches him, holds him on his back and gets the pin. Uh, but like it's, it's get to the under hook and push. Uh, I kind would have thought David Taylor would have been like, Hey, yeah have you ever heard? i think we've talked about this. Have you ever heard what turbo the log nev, why he prefers collar tie over under hook.
00:25:22
Cokeley Brothers
So he said the world's best under hook faced off against the world's best collar tie. And every single time, except for once, the world's best caller tie won. That's why i go caller tie. He's talking about David Taylor versus Sasan Yazdani.
00:25:34
Cokeley Brothers
So I figured David Taylor would have been like, the underhook works. yeah we see it we We see it with Yazdani. We see it with Trent Heidly. But this is better. This is going to get you more. We didn't see that. Zach Ryder, he lost a very problematic match against ah Christian Hansen.
00:25:53
Cokeley Brothers
um He looked, he wanted, Chris Hansen, you have a seat?
00:25:54
Squim
Chris Hansen?
00:25:57
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, the Twitter went nuts because Zack Ryder is also the name of a ah ah w WWE star. So people are like, who wrestled who? What happened?
00:26:09
Cokeley Brothers
ah Which was funny. but So he he loses to Hanson. ah He wins a very close 2-1 match to a Donald Cates from NC State who like hasn't done anything.
00:26:21
Cokeley Brothers
um he's got He's got nothing for Angelo Ferrari. And so, and he and he's got, ah he had nothing for for Silas Allred.
00:26:32
Cokeley Brothers
And it's like, okay, we need to change something. yeah You need to just start shooting more ah because this isn't working. Do whatever you did against Jackson Smith, get back to that.
00:26:43
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know how you do it. That's not my problem, but you need to figure it out. That's what I see. Or throw in Braden Thompson, throw in Jersey Rob, give your, give your other guys other shots.
00:26:55
Cokeley Brothers
Put a little fire under Zach's ass. Do something.
00:27:00
Squim
A lot of fire owners, I ask.
00:27:00
Cokeley Brothers
That's my estimation. Put a fire under his ass.
Future Prospects for Wrestlers
00:27:04
Cokeley Brothers
um
00:27:04
Squim
Same with Swiderski.
00:27:06
Cokeley Brothers
What? Same with Svodersky?
00:27:07
Squim
Same with Swiderski.
00:27:09
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, i agree.
00:27:11
Squim
Put in or Young maybe Hughes.
00:27:15
Cokeley Brothers
Kale Hughes. Anybody. Anybody.
00:27:16
Squim
Yeah.
00:27:18
Cokeley Brothers
Anybody. Teague Travis?
00:27:21
Squim
Take Travis.
00:27:22
Cokeley Brothers
Sure. i don't know if he can make the wait anymore, but...
00:27:24
Squim
Bring back, you know, bring back old ah Jordan Oliver. Somebody in there.
00:27:33
Cokeley Brothers
Somebody put... this but the gi me Give me a little Sam Smith.
00:27:38
Squim
little Sammy Smith.
00:27:40
Cokeley Brothers
little Sammy Smith. ah You know what's weird? ah Because when ah when when we when we saw Casey Swiderski at Iowa State, and even before that, the first time watched Casey Swiderski wrestle, it was against Jesse Mendes at Who's Number One.
00:27:52
Cokeley Brothers
And every song every single time he went out there and wrestled, it looked like he was trying to kill the person he was wrestling. And he was and incredibly passionate, very animated, and always... Like every time he went out there and wrestled Casey, it it was going to be an absolute war.
00:28:08
Cokeley Brothers
Things feel so stifled in his matches. Now they feel so soft, softened, not soft, softened, um which is weird.
00:28:21
Cokeley Brothers
Why? What happened? You know,
00:28:23
Squim
Maybe the injuries have gotten to him. Maybe he's afraid to push his body. I don't know.
00:28:29
Cokeley Brothers
that's what I'm, That's like the only thing I can really think of because like even looks tired in his matches.
00:28:32
Squim
Yeah.
00:28:35
Cokeley Brothers
It's like, you're getting tired. Isn't this the guy I felt like every time I saw him wrestle, it's like this guy could wrestle for 20 minutes and keep going. But it looks like he's getting tired in his matches. What's going on with that? Is is it a weight cut for one 49?
00:28:46
Squim
I don't know. I'm really just shocked that, i mean, is Jamison hurt?
00:28:52
Cokeley Brothers
ah Yeah, Jamison's not 100% healthy right now. I believe I've heard that.
00:28:55
Squim
Okay.
00:28:57
Cokeley Brothers
um So I'm guessing we'll we'll we'll see some other guys get some get some looks in the starting lineup. Unless Widerski can kind of shape things up a little bit. But don't know.
00:29:07
Squim
Now, find some kind of happy medium or, you know, something.
00:29:12
Cokeley Brothers
Something, done dude. Because what's happening right now isn't working. it look, he's wrestled at the All-Star Classic. He wrestled at Stanford Duel. And he wrestled at National Duels. It's three events. Six matches. He's got time.
00:29:24
Cokeley Brothers
However, his record right now is one at four. So it's not pretty.
00:29:27
Squim
Yeah.
00:29:27
Cokeley Brothers
Including a a hammering from Aiden Valencia.
00:29:27
Squim
know
00:29:32
Cokeley Brothers
So. We'll see.
00:29:34
Squim
Who's like one and one on the season?
00:29:39
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, but. Dude. why i Have you looked at 149 lately?
00:29:45
Squim
It's bad.
00:29:47
Cokeley Brothers
ah From last year's All-American finishers. There are. Two in the top 10. Two. Shane Van Ness, Lachlan McNeil.
00:29:58
Cokeley Brothers
That's it. Styles is out. Well, Styles might be back in it now. I don't know.
00:30:01
Squim
And Lachlan does not look very good.
00:30:02
Cokeley Brothers
But those those three. Yeah, and Lachlan got destroyed by Caleb Larkin. So it's really going to be Shane Van Ness and then like between two and maybe 15.
00:30:17
Cokeley Brothers
when Because like guys who are in there who haven't really done a whole lot right now are Panero Johnson, ah Michael Joffrey, um ah Chance Lamer, who hasn't wrestled at all this year. Same with Joffrey.
00:30:31
Squim
is Michael Joffrey different from Jack Joffrey or is that the same guy?
00:30:31
Cokeley Brothers
I'm
00:30:37
Cokeley Brothers
pretty sure it's different. There's was one in Missouri.
00:30:42
Squim
there are two Joffreys.
00:30:43
Cokeley Brothers
there's There's a Logan Joffrey. There's a Michael Joffrey. There's a Jack Joffrey. And I think there's a fourth.
00:30:49
Squim
Are they all the same way too?
00:30:51
Cokeley Brothers
ah Roughly around the same area, I'm pretty sure.
00:30:53
Squim
I didn't know there was a Jack Joffrey at Oklahoma and he's fifth in the country. How is that? How is that possible?
00:30:59
Cokeley Brothers
Wait, Jack Joffrey? I thought it was Michael.
00:31:03
Squim
There is a Michael. He's down at 31.
00:31:07
Squim
How is Lachlan McNeil still at three in these flow rankings?
00:31:08
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:31:10
Squim
That's crazy to me. How is he not drop?
00:31:13
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, i don't know. ah Jack... Wait, is it Jack?
00:31:17
Squim
These rankings are crazy.
00:31:19
Cokeley Brothers
Is it Jack?
00:31:20
Squim
There's two of them. There's Michael and Jack.
00:31:22
Cokeley Brothers
I thought it was Michael.
00:31:23
Squim
There's two. They're both here.
00:31:26
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, is Michael the Illinois one?
00:31:28
Squim
Yeah. Jack is at open-door door.
00:31:29
Cokeley Brothers
That's what I'm doing. That's what I'm doing. They were both at Virginia at some point.
00:31:37
Squim
Dude, you know who I – what a a name I remembered.
00:31:38
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, okay. Whoops.
00:31:41
Squim
And I was like, where where did this guy go but from Virginia? Marlon Yarbrough. You remember him?
00:31:48
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:31:48
Squim
i was like, where did that guy go?
Oklahoma State's Future Outlook
00:31:51
Squim
And I looked at his – I looked at – yeah, he was injured last year, and he's got one more year this year.
00:31:51
Cokeley Brothers
Did you figure it out?
00:31:56
Squim
just remember – I thought he AA'd a couple of years ago, but he didn't.
00:31:56
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:32:01
Squim
He went like 2-2.
00:32:01
Cokeley Brothers
Mm-mm.
00:32:01
Squim
I don't know why i thought he AA'd.
00:32:03
Cokeley Brothers
Mm-mm. Did he beat? He beat somebody, though.
00:32:08
Squim
Maybe somebody, yeah.
00:32:12
Cokeley Brothers
To you, too, buddy.
00:32:13
Squim
Yeah.
00:32:14
Cokeley Brothers
Um...
00:32:15
Squim
Anyway.
00:32:17
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, ah but as Connor Doucette looks good. Cody Merrill is so-so. um
00:32:22
Squim
He's another guy.
00:32:23
Cokeley Brothers
All the freshmen look good.
00:32:24
Squim
paul the Pull the freaking trigger, dude.
00:32:26
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, little bit, right?
00:32:29
Squim
Yeah, big time.
00:32:29
Cokeley Brothers
um Facundo went one and four.
00:32:34
Squim
He had a good one. I felt like he looked good, though. Like, His one win against Muto.
00:32:37
Cokeley Brothers
He didn't look bad. He was against, he was against, yeah, did you see how he won against Minto?
00:32:43
Squim
It was not good.
00:32:44
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, okay. ah Let me, let me, let me, let me lay out.
00:32:48
Squim
Does he also need to pull the trigger?
00:32:49
Cokeley Brothers
ah
00:32:50
Squim
you know does he I mean, he's never really had offense.
00:32:51
Cokeley Brothers
Let me.
00:32:54
Cokeley Brothers
No, he definitely should have more. Let me lay out how his event went. He wrestled Simon Ruiz, lost close. He wrestled Matt Singleton, was keeping it close, and then like went for an ill-advised switch off bottom and got pinned.
00:33:07
Cokeley Brothers
ah So that's, that's like number three and then number four in the country. Next, he has number two in the country, Pat Kennedy, and that was a close match. Uh, I think sudden victory maybe or two, one or something like that.
00:33:18
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, and then he has Chris Minto for third. So he's wrestled number two numbers or number three, number four, number like six in the number two in the country. So he didn't exactly have, a lot, a lineup of opponents that anybody would wrestle on any given weekend ever.
00:33:36
Cokeley Brothers
That's, this is like, like you don't, you don't even get that at NCAAs. You get some schmuck and then you get, you know, whoever else. Um, And the way he beat Chris Minto was off of an illegal head scissor.
00:33:49
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:33:49
Squim
Oh, that's right.
00:33:51
Cokeley Brothers
Yep.
00:33:53
Squim
Hey, let him touch.
00:33:54
Cokeley Brothers
So, you know, can't do that. Rules are rules. Yep.
00:33:59
Squim
Not even for a millisecond.
00:34:00
Cokeley Brothers
What?
00:34:03
Cokeley Brothers
Not even for. Yeah. And it was like at the it was like like up here. it was like, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. But i think I think it's more wait and see with him. yeah he he can He can do more.
00:34:15
Cokeley Brothers
but Also give him more time. he's like been he was so off He was off the mat basically for two seasons.
00:34:23
Squim
yeah
00:34:24
Cokeley Brothers
His last full season was 2022. Or 23.
00:34:29
Cokeley Brothers
23. 23. So give him give him some time. Grow into the weight a little bit more. Whatever.
Recent Duels Highlights
00:34:37
Cokeley Brothers
But yeah, that's Oklahoma State. Overall feel good about them.
00:34:41
Cokeley Brothers
We'll see.
00:34:41
Squim
yeah good and I feel like um i mean the Iowa duel, it's crazy to me how they found a way to lose to Iowa again. Them and Iowa State are You know, perpetually, Iowa's little brothers.
00:34:55
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:34:57
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:34:58
Squim
But now, we'll see.
00:35:00
Cokeley Brothers
They wrestle again. that the Yeah.
00:35:01
Squim
Something's got to give with the Oklahoma State situation. They won't lose them forever.
00:35:08
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Right. Um...
00:35:11
Squim
Iowa used to have a chokehold on the like on all all of the Big Ten except for Penn State, obviously, but that seems to have been broken.
00:35:21
Cokeley Brothers
with iowa With Ohio State.
00:35:23
Squim
I think and they they lost to Michigan last year too, right? I think that was two years ago.
00:35:26
Cokeley Brothers
Two years ago. Yeah, when Sergio Lemley beat the brakes off Real Woods.
00:35:32
Squim
Yeah.
00:35:33
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. And and D'Agostino beat Drake Ayala at 125.
00:35:40
Squim
Yeah, yeah,
00:35:40
Cokeley Brothers
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. um
00:35:45
Cokeley Brothers
And then Nebraska.
00:35:49
Squim
yeah. Yeah, tough tough adding to them.
00:35:50
Cokeley Brothers
Fourth place. Fourth place. They went like $75,000. Yeah. $75,000. And mean. Ugly, ugly duels against Ohio
00:35:56
Squim
They get a cool, 75,000? 75 That's the 20th or number whatever. is it 10 for sure? seventy five gs
00:36:02
Cokeley Brothers
State Oklahoma State.
00:36:02
Squim
the twentieth for so number right
00:36:03
Cokeley Brothers
But.
00:36:05
Cokeley Brothers
yeah seventy five thousand dollars
00:36:06
Squim
a
00:36:08
Cokeley Brothers
ah and i mean ugly ugly duels against ohio state and oklahoma state
00:36:19
Cokeley Brothers
but Who knows? Who knows what things will look like moving forward? AJ Ferrari took a loss, lost to Nick Feldman. Nick Feldman might be the guy at 285. twenty five 285, kind of becoming a weight class. That's that's kind of up for grabs.
00:36:32
Cokeley Brothers
It's open to anybody right now. Nick, uh, uh, Isaac Trumbull is not, um, not healthy. Seemingly, he's not wrestling yet. Uh, AJ Ferrari loses and to Nick Feldman.
00:36:46
Cokeley Brothers
Ben Keeter didn't wrestle at all this weekend. I'm guessing he's Having recovery related issues from his hip surgery this summer. um Tiger, take a dolly loss. So it's really like younger Bastida, but he had a close match with Braxton Amos.
00:37:01
Cokeley Brothers
Christian Carroll kept it kind of tight with, with lots of quality competition this weekend. Lots of options here at two 85, kind of fun. And you get a mass exodus of, of world level talent.
00:37:11
Squim
I forgot that. creature Carol, who did he wrestle?
00:37:15
Cokeley Brothers
You wrestled Feldman.
00:37:18
Cokeley Brothers
And then he wrestled Virginia Tech, Jimmy Mullen.
00:37:20
Squim
Jimmy Mullen.
00:37:22
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. Yeah. yeah I don't know.
00:37:27
Squim
Big Jim.
00:37:29
Cokeley Brothers
Big Jim. ah
00:37:33
Squim
What happened with Hardy in that against Vega? Was that a classic Brock Hardy just like ah bat he was in a bad headspace and just had a bad match?
00:37:42
Cokeley Brothers
ah you could it could be a little bit of Sad Boy Hours.
00:37:44
Squim
Yeah.
00:37:45
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe.
00:37:46
Squim
He seems to affect him more than the other guy.
00:37:46
Cokeley Brothers
i don't know.
00:37:49
Cokeley Brothers
It kind of seemed like Vega beat him at his own game.
00:37:53
Squim
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, yeah, maybe. I think a more prepared Brock doesn't get i doesn't let guys in on him that deep.
00:38:05
Cokeley Brothers
It wasn't necessarily about how deep they got in on shots.
00:38:09
Squim
I think it was like he would get in on his shots and then and then two seconds would go by and then Brock would start to wrestle.
Jacks Forrest's Possible Move
00:38:17
Squim
started He would be like, all now time to try and counter versus just immediately getting into his counter stuff.
00:38:22
Cokeley Brothers
I know if I agree with that.
00:38:27
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe. i don't know. Maybe.
00:38:30
Squim
And also, I mean, did you take any shots?
00:38:30
Cokeley Brothers
But.
00:38:33
Cokeley Brothers
Yes, i I believe it was a you shoot, I score, I shoot, I score situation. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure. ah Vega just looked really good. I was just, i was kind of just in awe. i was like, man.
00:38:45
Cokeley Brothers
Because honestly, after this summer, I was like, Vega's probably going to be the guy out of this group of recruits at this weight class area who ends up riding the bench with like, with, with Ronnie Ramirez and Jack's forest and, and the rainy brothers. Like I think Vega is going to end up being the odd man out.
00:39:06
Cokeley Brothers
Not anymore. Not anymore.
00:39:08
Squim
Yeah. it So, he you beat Jack, right?
00:39:10
Cokeley Brothers
Good God. He's good.
00:39:13
Squim
Two. There's another guy he beat. Two to zero.
00:39:16
Cokeley Brothers
He beat, don't know, let me look at my stats that you aren't very interested in.
00:39:23
Squim
Well, shit, bro. I can just...
00:39:23
Cokeley Brothers
I can tell you. he beat He beat Josh Saunders 5-0, Ryan Jack 2-0, Nasir Bailey in sudden victory 3-0, and then he majored Brock Hardy 13-2.
00:39:33
Cokeley Brothers
So, yeah. take Take that and do with it what you will. ah
00:39:40
Squim
I think he's a high – I think he's a – or I think he's an all-American contender.
00:39:40
Cokeley Brothers
Probably the
00:39:43
Squim
I don't – I wouldn't put him in the the champion. i mean, I wouldn't – I don't know if I'd put anybody.
00:39:49
Cokeley Brothers
If he wrestles Ben DeVino, you think Ben DeVino's just putting belt to ass?
00:39:53
Squim
Well, he's not at Benavino's weight.
00:39:56
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, whoops. My bad.
00:39:58
Squim
He's at Jesse.
00:39:58
Cokeley Brothers
ah Yeah, i don't think he's beating Jesse Mendez. Probably not.
00:40:02
Squim
I mean, but i think he can – probably be just, I mean, he obviously can beat anybody else. I don't know. Stanich will be interesting, but I think he can probably beat Stanich.
00:40:09
Cokeley Brothers
Stanch will be interesting. There's names at 141. there's names at one forty one Let me of these rankings like 141 I think is one of the deeper weights, but maybe I'm just, it's neighbor at 149 is making it look.
00:40:25
Squim
Pearson Manville is kind of interesting. Did he go in peterly on the weekend?
00:40:28
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. But like,
00:40:32
Squim
think he did.
00:40:32
Cokeley Brothers
yeah, but i think it was like two and oh, I don't think they wrestled more than two duels. I think he beat the Michigan kid and then
00:40:41
Cokeley Brothers
he might've only wrestled once actually. and i don't know, but,
00:40:44
Squim
Maybe Carter Bailey and Michigan, right? Yeah.
00:40:48
Cokeley Brothers
I think you might be right. Yeah. Okay. I mean, 141 is Jesse Mendes, Sergio Vega, Brock Hardy, Luke Stanich, CJ Composto, Anthony Echimendia, Seth Romney, Ryan Jack, Corey Land, Vance Vaughn, Nasir Bailey, Dylan Ragas, and Aaron Nagau.
00:41:03
Cokeley Brothers
that's pretty That's pretty good. That's a pretty solid top 13.
00:41:07
Squim
Yeah.
00:41:08
Cokeley Brothers
um And like I could see him taking losses to guys like Echimendia, like Composto, like Romney. Maybe not Romney. Um, but like Dylan Ragason, I could see it.
00:41:20
Cokeley Brothers
I'm not blown away by that.
00:41:23
Squim
Yeah. he'll take some He'll take some losses you ask him to
00:41:26
Cokeley Brothers
um It'll take some lumps. Some guy. Now there are, in my mind, there are two people from this weekend who like these two guys probably have the most, the best argument for like outstanding wrestler.
00:41:40
Cokeley Brothers
And it's Brandon Cannon and Landon Rabideau. Rabideau? Rabideau. However you say it. Um, Brandon Cannon, uh, bonuses way through the tournament.
00:41:50
Cokeley Brothers
Got a tech over Jared Hill and major Charlie Millard, Ontario Taylor and Victor Boinovich and the land and Robin do, uh, tech Benny Rogers, uh, decision to Jackson Arrington, major Victor Voinovich and tech fall, uh, Des cartrell.
00:42:06
Squim
Man, Oklahoma State versus Ohio State, I would have – I'm so mad that Iowa and Oklahoma State were on the same side of the bracket because out of all those teams that Oklahoma State could face in the Big Ten, they got stuck with freaking Iowa.
00:42:15
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:42:23
Cokeley Brothers
the The team that are already... I mean, they're they would they're already going to wrestle both the teams that they wrestled from the Big Ten. Right?
00:42:28
Squim
That's what saying.
00:42:30
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:42:30
Squim
and Whereas they could have wrestled Nebraska or Ohio State.
00:42:31
Cokeley Brothers
Like, they're not going to...
00:42:34
Cokeley Brothers
Well, no, they're wrestling Nebraska.
00:42:34
Squim
I guess they wrestled Nebraska. They could have wrestled Ohio State.
00:42:36
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:42:37
Squim
That's really the only one.
00:42:38
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, that Ohio State would have been money. But we didn't get it, Reese. um
00:42:46
Cokeley Brothers
Now, there's a rumor. This came out yesterday. And the way it was being delivered was it's a thing. And it's going to happen. Jacks Forrest to Oklahoma State.
00:42:55
Squim
Yeah, i heard I heard Willie talking about that.
00:43:00
Cokeley Brothers
Willie's talking about it. Now there's some people coming out today that are like, no, this is not happening.
Weight Class Suitability Debate
00:43:05
Cokeley Brothers
It doesn't make sense. David Taylor's smarter than that. Personally, um don't really see how it makes sense.
00:43:11
Squim
That's a bunch of BS.
00:43:14
Cokeley Brothers
What?
00:43:14
Squim
I think those people coming out and saying stuff are liars.
00:43:18
Cokeley Brothers
You feel like it makes sense for him to go?
00:43:21
Squim
I don't see why i it wouldn't make sense for him to go. and I think he's going to go 133. I think he could make 33. What weight he at now? 32? 38? He's at 32 now.
00:43:28
Cokeley Brothers
Is it...
00:43:29
Squim
That's
00:43:29
Cokeley Brothers
but What's...
00:43:32
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, well, he wrestled 61 kilos.
00:43:32
Squim
he's at thirty two now
00:43:34
Cokeley Brothers
He wrestled 61 kilos this summer, which is... 122 plus which is 134.
00:43:38
Squim
like
00:43:40
Cokeley Brothers
134, 134 and thirty four hundred thirty four hundred thirty four and a half pounds, something like that.
00:43:44
Squim
Okay.
00:43:45
Cokeley Brothers
ah So he... Yeah, he can make 133 probably. Is he going look great? I don't know. Might have grown a little bit more.
00:43:51
Squim
He'll look fine.
00:43:55
Cokeley Brothers
but But... Think about... Okay. What kind of impact does that have on the quality of your team? Cause currently you have Ronnie Ramirez and Richie figs, those guys, national qualifier level, when you some matches, maybe through some stroke of luck, get to get, get on the podium.
00:44:15
Cokeley Brothers
What does Jack's forest get you?
00:44:19
Squim
what do you What do you mean, what does Jax Forrest get you?
00:44:21
Cokeley Brothers
Do you think Jack's forest is going to go out there and win 133 pounds?
00:44:21
Squim
you get to He gets you a top three finish. He's placing in the top three, just like Marcus Blaze is either in the top three.
00:44:29
Cokeley Brothers
He's placing in the top three.
00:44:34
Squim
He's top three, and he's probably not three, and he's probably not two. He's probably one.
00:44:39
Cokeley Brothers
I just putting them out there in a weight class where it is. It is Marcus blaze, Ben DeVino, Ryan Crookham, Drake, Iola, Lucas bird, everybody else at that weight.
00:44:52
Squim
I don't see him losing to Ben DeVino.
00:44:52
Cokeley Brothers
a
00:44:53
Squim
I don't see him losing to anyone outside of Bird, Crookham, or Blaze.
00:45:00
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:45:01
Squim
And I just don't think he's losing to Bird either, really.
00:45:04
Cokeley Brothers
Probably not. Now,
00:45:08
Cokeley Brothers
does, do you think that they're not going to win a title off that Oklahoma state's not going to be Penn state off that, right?
00:45:16
Cokeley Brothers
Is it, is it worth it?
00:45:17
Squim
No.
00:45:18
Cokeley Brothers
Is it, is it, is it going to, is it going to bump them from, from four to three or from three to two?
00:45:24
Squim
Worth it and in the sense of what, that you're burning a year of his for him or what?
00:45:28
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Yeah. You're, you're, you're, you're,
00:45:29
Squim
Those guys are all going to be back next year except for Lucas Byrne.
00:45:34
Cokeley Brothers
Sure. i don't, I don't think in it in any way is Jack's forest long for one 33. Well, he is long for one 33.
00:45:41
Squim
Okay.
00:45:43
Cokeley Brothers
That's the problem. I think he's a 41 pounder, maybe even a 49 pounder. If you wanted to put some muscle on the kid.
00:45:50
Cokeley Brothers
And that is something that needs to be embraced.
00:45:53
Squim
Well, they're going to have guys at 141.
00:45:53
Cokeley Brothers
I think you need to.
00:45:55
Squim
Like, their problem doesn't go away next year if he comes in at 41 next year as a freshman.
00:46:01
Cokeley Brothers
No, no, but he can red shirt. I don't know. I just... I don't... What's the rush?
Jacks Forrest's Career Decisions
00:46:07
Cokeley Brothers
what What is the rush?
00:46:10
Squim
I mean, what's ah where's the harm? and And I don't think it's rushing at all. He's 19 years old, bro. He's ready to go. He's ready to rock and roll.
00:46:20
Cokeley Brothers
I don't always think about like...
00:46:22
Squim
He's been in the room, obviously.
00:46:24
Cokeley Brothers
One of those... Yeah, he was... Yeah. ah One of those coveted goals, ah coveted achievements that you really you only get one shot at is being a four-timer.
00:46:34
Squim
i agree with that.
00:46:34
Cokeley Brothers
ah
00:46:34
Squim
I totally get that part. I wouldnt i probably wouldn't do it if I were him. I'd be like, no, I'm going to chill with my homies.
00:46:41
Cokeley Brothers
right that
00:46:41
Squim
Walk, do the walk, even though who gives a shit about walking?
00:46:46
Cokeley Brothers
think I don't know I'll believe it when I see it. I'm just skeptical. I'm skeptical on like it. If it was like, yeah, this is a slam dunk. This makes a ton of sense. Uh, you know, we just watched, uh, both of our 33 pounders that we had wrestle this week and we just watched them both lose both of their legs. Like we need somebody.
00:47:06
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, sure. Makes sense.
00:47:07
Squim
They don't need anybody and but and they're not going to need anybody for a long time, but that's the I think that's the idea.
00:47:08
Cokeley Brothers
Put them out there.
00:47:13
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Okay.
00:47:14
Squim
They're never going to need anybody, especially at those lower weights or just probably any weight, period.
00:47:15
Cokeley Brothers
Okay.
00:47:19
Cokeley Brothers
yeah Okay. Okay. I don't know. I'll believe when I see it. I'm just skeptical. I'm skeptical on it making sense.
00:47:28
Squim
Yeah, I mean, it seems pretty ah far-fetched, but I feel like a Willie's seeing it, I don't
00:47:33
Cokeley Brothers
i Right. i don't I don't distrust the idea that Willie Saylor was in Tulsa, Oklahoma this weekend and was hearing words come out of people's mouths and people who have an actual like stake and impact in the program.
00:47:47
Cokeley Brothers
I believe it. But is one of those what it is one of those events that if it were to happen, I would need to see it happen before I'm like, this is happening.
Top-Ranked Wrestlers' Upsets
00:47:57
Cokeley Brothers
I think that's my thoughts. Any other ideas? Any other thoughts about national duels? We had four. We had, I think, four number ones go down.
00:48:11
Squim
You know, yeah. yeah um who Like ah Bird, not Bird.
00:48:19
Cokeley Brothers
No, Bird didn't lose.
00:48:19
Squim
Wait, Bird, yes, Bird. Wait, did he?
00:48:21
Cokeley Brothers
Bird lost?
00:48:21
Squim
He didn't lose?
00:48:22
Cokeley Brothers
Bird didn't lose.
00:48:23
Squim
Okay, Bird didn't lose.
00:48:23
Cokeley Brothers
We had...
00:48:25
Squim
Who was it?
00:48:25
Cokeley Brothers
Did Bird lose? Did Bird lose?
00:48:29
Squim
I don't think so.
00:48:29
Cokeley Brothers
don't think Bird lost.
00:48:31
Squim
But did he?
00:48:31
Cokeley Brothers
ah Vince Robinson.
00:48:33
Squim
He didn't. Oh, yeah.
00:48:34
Cokeley Brothers
Vince Robinson.
00:48:36
Squim
What did he say?
00:48:36
Cokeley Brothers
Entrell Taylor.
00:48:37
Squim
I don't know.
00:48:38
Cokeley Brothers
AJ Ferrari. Was it only three? I felt like it was four.
00:48:41
Squim
No, there's another one. 80... 84?
00:48:43
Cokeley Brothers
Who else was it? Not not 74. Oh, 84. Max McAnally.
00:48:46
Squim
eighty Yeah.
00:48:47
Cokeley Brothers
oh eighty four max mcinel
00:48:48
Squim
yeah
00:48:49
Cokeley Brothers
Max McAnally lost to Aiden Sinclair. Aiden Sinclair had had Angelo Ferrari beaten. I think Aiden Sinclair has, I think he's unlocked, he's got the game plan in terms of how you beat Angelo Ferrari.
00:49:02
Squim
Not do anything also?
00:49:05
Cokeley Brothers
Well, people get in on on Angelo's legs, right? Not everybody. It's not that easy. But if you if you take a well-set-up, accurate, correctly timed shot, you get on Angelo Ferrari's leg.
00:49:18
Cokeley Brothers
Now it's going to be a head inside a sweep single type position and you're going to pressure in and elevate. And when you step up, what's Angelo going to do? He's hit that funk roll and you drop on it.
00:49:29
Cokeley Brothers
And, and Aiden did that, but he, but he lost the leg as he did I don't know if Angelo like funk rolls and like kicks his leg out or what he does.
00:49:29
Squim
He's so fast.
00:49:36
Squim
maybe Maybe that's the but caveat to to maybe it's just a 100% foolproof strategy.
00:49:43
Cokeley Brothers
it
00:49:44
Squim
It's either he misses that leg, you lose his leg.
00:49:44
Cokeley Brothers
he just like flops like a fish when he does it or something.
00:49:48
Squim
Yeah, exactly.
00:49:48
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
00:49:49
Squim
he's that He goes full.
00:49:49
Cokeley Brothers
i don't know.
00:49:51
Squim
he goes full ah well How do I? What's the politically correct term here? He just, yeah. He just spazzes out, basically.
00:50:01
Cokeley Brothers
i don't know, but Aiden Sinclair is, is, is gotten just about as close as anybody else has for, I think even closer than Carter Starachi did to taking down Angelo Ferrari. Uh, it hasn't happened yet.
00:50:12
Cokeley Brothers
And there's people out there. justifiably saying it, nobody's going to take down Angelo Ferrari. It might not, he might not get taken down in college and it would, yeah
00:50:19
Squim
He'll give up and take down eventually. Shit,
Missouri's Wrestling Promise
00:50:22
Squim
dude. That would be... i mean, he's going to have to wrestle these dudes a lot.
00:50:23
Cokeley Brothers
it would piss me off.
00:50:27
Cokeley Brothers
Yes. he He has to wrestle. Dylan Fishback is a name of one 84. He's tough. Dylan Fishback, uh, Max McAnally, Silas Allred, uh, all of the, all the names one 84, uh, Rocco Welsh, um, Zach Ryder,
00:50:43
Cokeley Brothers
who am that maybe not so worried about him, I guess not anymore. Yeah.
00:50:48
Squim
It's kind of the top six or top five guys.
00:50:48
Cokeley Brothers
yeah He's going to to wrestle all these guys.
00:50:52
Squim
i wouldn I don't think I would include Jackson Smith.
00:50:56
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. But, um, yeah, I think Max McAnally has got a pretty good shot just because his offense, I don't know.
00:50:58
Squim
been well
00:51:05
Cokeley Brothers
It felt, it was Aiden Sinclair surprised me this weekend. I was, I should have taken what I saw this summer
00:51:11
Squim
so he had he He beat Max McAnally over the summer.
00:51:14
Cokeley Brothers
I know. I know. I don't know. I thought I was applying the idea that it's freestyle. And for some reason, everybody, people wrestle different between freestyle and folk style, even though on your feet, it is 90% the same.
00:51:27
Squim
Pretty sure the only reason Max beat him in the for the second or third match is freestyle bullshit.
00:51:28
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, it was,
00:51:34
Cokeley Brothers
uh, well, I was, I was sorry. bad. I was thinking about the U S open finals when they just gave ah crazy fast restart.
00:51:40
Squim
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that.
00:51:41
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Right. But then, yeah, I don't remember. i didn't i don't remember what happened in the series, but.
00:51:45
Squim
It was like some kind of crazy exposure. Yeah.
00:51:48
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
00:51:49
Squim
yeah
00:51:49
Cokeley Brothers
ah But. Aiden impressed me. He looked good against everybody. He's the number two guy, probably number three.
00:51:55
Squim
Missouri Dugas. Missouri as a whole impressed me. I thought, i didn't, I think they, they wrestled up. I mean, they were right there with who, who beat them in the, I think Minnesota beat them or Virginia Tech beat them on the backside.
00:52:11
Cokeley Brothers
On the backside?
00:52:14
Squim
Um, and, but it was a close duel.
00:52:15
Cokeley Brothers
don't remember who.
00:52:17
Squim
They taken, uh, place in top eight was, I think pretty, um pretty good for them considering they're kind of down right now, but, They wrestled really well. They got some really good dudes who like you might have thought were, I think they did.
00:52:28
Cokeley Brothers
Did they beat Michigan?
00:52:31
Squim
Yeah.
00:52:32
Cokeley Brothers
they del might They kind of smashed Michigan. They won seven out of the ten matches. one was ah Lachlan had a sudden victory win over Josh Edmonds.
00:52:38
Squim
Got it.
00:52:41
Cokeley Brothers
Dylan Gilcher beat Max Mayfield and take it all. He'd be Jair Stoner. that That one's not a surprise, but like Aiden Sinclair tech fall Brock, man, to know. And oh my God. And Cam Steed beat Mack. Maga beat Diego Satello. Max Mac looks good. ah Cade Moore does not look great, but Zeke Seltzer at one 41.
00:52:59
Cokeley Brothers
That kid's a dog. um
00:53:01
Squim
Morden, he didn't look too bad.
00:53:03
Cokeley Brothers
He had, he had some, I think he had some losses. I'm pretty sure he had some losses ah at the tiger style.
00:53:07
Squim
he had a couple times.
00:53:10
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, but last weekend, i'm I'm pretty sure he took some lumps.
00:53:12
Squim
Well,
00:53:14
Cokeley Brothers
But um
Missouri's Recruitment Strategies
00:53:16
Squim
hopefully a Cam Steed's okay.
00:53:17
Cokeley Brothers
Missouri, yeah, hopefully Cam Steed's healthy.
00:53:20
Cokeley Brothers
um Seth Mendoza's at 157. I don't know if that's going to be like a pull in the red shirt type thing.
00:53:25
Squim
I'm assuming he's right, Shredeem.
00:53:28
Cokeley Brothers
People are like, I can't believe he's at 150. He's way too small for the weight. And I watched him wrestle. He's not that small.
00:53:35
Squim
He's thick. He's a thick boy.
00:53:38
Cokeley Brothers
He filled out. he went He went to college and he ate. He gained some weight.
00:53:42
Squim
know um'm I'm going to assume it it would mean it would definitely behoove the Tigers to redshirt him and not wrestle him at 157 because he does not have...
00:53:53
Cokeley Brothers
because he
00:53:54
Squim
he's He's like one of the few guys I feel like in in these times that needs a year because he's got that little baby face.
00:54:01
Cokeley Brothers
yeah baby face for sure.
00:54:03
Squim
Little baby body.
00:54:04
Cokeley Brothers
Give him some time, give him some time to develop and he'll be ready. You know why Reese has, he probably hasn't even freaking turned 18 yet.
00:54:07
Squim
He
00:54:10
Cokeley Brothers
Cause he decided to follow, follow the freaking rules.
00:54:13
Squim
followed the rules. He hasn't turned 18 yet.
00:54:14
Cokeley Brothers
Follow the rule. I don't know. I'm making that up. I don't, maybe he's, maybe he's, maybe he's turning 20 this year.
00:54:19
Squim
He's probably 18, at least.
00:54:20
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
00:54:23
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. But, um, yeah, Missouri, Missouri looked like a solid team. They're, but they're putting it back together. know, everybody was like, man, this is a, this is This is a shell of what they used to be last year.
00:54:34
Cokeley Brothers
you know they had They had good guys in redshirt. They had um Rocky Elam who was injured and he's gone, which sucks.
Cornell's Team Dynamics
00:54:41
Squim
Terrible.
00:54:42
Cokeley Brothers
that But like i mean think of think about it. If Rocky was on the team still, that's a pretty freaking good team. Now they have a they they got they got a solid guy in the in the transfer portal out of Evan Bates.
00:54:54
Cokeley Brothers
um But yeah, it's a solid team. It's a good team. um Illinois impressed me. Cornell kind of showed out in the first duel and then, you know, Northern Iowa put, put it on them after that, but they had some, they had some, some matches against Oklahoma state.
00:55:12
Squim
Oh, like, um they're missing who else? But Sergio was there, right?
00:55:17
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. So, so they, they have, uh, guys coming back that could potentially be the starters, which is, uh, Greg Deak Mahal is at one 25. Brett Unger at one 33, but, uh,
00:55:31
Cokeley Brothers
Ferrara looks good. And and and given that at 125, Marcelo Milani looks good too. um Saunders is at 41 right now, but Vince Cornell is probably going to end up being the guy. Jackson Joy, I think is going to be the guy, but also Ethan Fernandez in in the second semester at 149 could be an option.
00:55:48
Cokeley Brothers
Meyer Shapiro will come back in at 57. Sergio there at 65. Ruiz is there. Delegata is not wrestling this year 84 and 97 in heavyweight.
00:55:58
Squim
Not wrestling. He's not
College Open Surprises
00:56:00
Squim
wrestling at all.
00:56:00
Cokeley Brothers
He's injured.
00:56:00
Squim
Oh.
00:56:01
Cokeley Brothers
He's injured. Yeah.
00:56:03
Squim
Who's there at 97? Is Hanning their guy?
00:56:06
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. For this year. Yeah. I don't know what it'll be like in the future, but did you know, Oh, did you know that the, the but Bo Bassett and and Melvin Miller wrestled this weekend?
00:56:19
Squim
They wrestled each other?
00:56:21
Cokeley Brothers
No, they wrestled at a tournament, a college open this weekend.
00:56:24
Squim
I did not.
00:56:25
Cokeley Brothers
They wrestled at the, um, the shorty Hitchcock. Melvin Miller wrestled 165 and ah he won it. He beat Alessio Parenton in the finals.
00:56:37
Cokeley Brothers
Bob Bassett like teched his way through 149.
00:56:39
Squim
Do you wrestle anybody?
00:56:41
Cokeley Brothers
Not really.
00:56:42
Squim
He's got me thinking. I'm like, man, would he win this 149? I mean, he would definitely be top five.
00:56:47
Cokeley Brothers
Dude.
00:56:50
Squim
Definitely.
00:56:51
Cokeley Brothers
He would be top two.
00:56:51
Squim
Probably top three.
00:56:52
Cokeley Brothers
He would be top two. Top three.
00:56:54
Squim
I mean, Larkin and Van Ness are interesting.
00:56:55
Cokeley Brothers
I'm. i I feel good about Larkin. I think Larkin's going to be our... He's going to bring some consistency back to the land of 149.
00:57:05
Squim
I mean, him and Van Ness will be...
00:57:06
Cokeley Brothers
Hopefully.
00:57:07
Squim
ah He can...
00:57:09
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, Larkin might want it.
00:57:12
Squim
Might win it, yeah.
00:57:13
Cokeley Brothers
He's good. Yep.
00:57:15
Squim
ASU's always good for some champs here and there.
00:57:18
Cokeley Brothers
Yep.
00:57:18
Squim
Sprinkle in some national champs.
00:57:19
Cokeley Brothers
I'm going to get poached. yeah We'll get into that.
00:57:23
Squim
negative get click Looks really good.
00:57:25
Cokeley Brothers
We'll get into that. um
00:57:28
Cokeley Brothers
What do you think about Brandon Cannon at 157?
00:57:32
Squim
He looks really good.
00:57:33
Cokeley Brothers
Looks pretty good.
00:57:34
Squim
I wish we would have seen him against Robidoux. ah would have been awesome.
00:57:38
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, man.
00:57:39
Squim
I'm worried that nobody can beat Robidoux.
00:57:44
Cokeley Brothers
Why are you worried about that?
00:57:45
Squim
I mean, this weight it is also, i mean, Duke, I guess.
00:57:48
Cokeley Brothers
It's a dude.
00:57:48
Squim
Duke is going to be, it's not as bad as 49, but it's not great.
00:57:48
Cokeley Brothers
It's a dumpster fire right now.
00:57:53
Cokeley Brothers
No, but it's rough.
00:57:54
Squim
You got, you got some, you got some heavy hitters in here. You got, I mean, Waters is good. Robidoux, Cannon is, Taylor is, has just proven that he's, that he can be good.
00:57:59
Cokeley Brothers
water
00:58:06
Squim
Durbin's good. Webster, Webster's good.
00:58:08
Cokeley Brothers
As much as I hate to admit it, Stoney Buell from Purdue mike might sneak his way into that podium. He might. Maybe.
00:58:17
Squim
Stoney Boole.
00:58:18
Cokeley Brothers
He's pretty good.
00:58:19
Squim
Boole.
00:58:20
Cokeley Brothers
Buell, maybe?
00:58:21
Squim
How good is Rosinski?
00:58:21
Cokeley Brothers
i don't know.
00:58:22
Squim
Who knows?
Competitive 149-Pound Weight Class
00:58:24
Squim
i mean, today lo you did he lose?
00:58:25
Cokeley Brothers
ah He lost.
00:58:27
Squim
Yeah. Who beat him?
00:58:28
Cokeley Brothers
Who did he lose to? I had it here just a moment ago.
00:58:33
Squim
I don't think he did lose because it only shows he lost Squishle.
00:58:36
Cokeley Brothers
No, he did. Cannon Webster beat him 8-2. Cannon Webster. That's a guy at 57. Yep.
00:58:40
Squim
Webster. Yeah. Webster's not a bad loss.
00:58:45
Cokeley Brothers
Webster's webster solid. And then you throw in Duke. You throw in Shapiro. It's a hell a weight class.
00:58:50
Squim
Okay, yeah, I forgot about Shapiro too. Yeah, this weight class is just fine.
00:58:54
Cokeley Brothers
yeah Yeah. Pretty solid. No.
00:58:59
Squim
you think Lockett can challenge Messenbrink?
00:59:04
Squim
I do.
00:59:07
Cokeley Brothers
You know who I'm most interested to see at 165?
00:59:08
Squim
They wrestled a couple years ago and it was not that bad of a match in freestyle.
00:59:13
Cokeley Brothers
At the Olympic trials?
00:59:14
Squim
Oh, style it would be even better. Yeah.
00:59:17
Cokeley Brothers
Wasn't it a tech fall?
00:59:18
Squim
That was what?
00:59:20
Cokeley Brothers
Wasn't it a tech fall?
00:59:20
Squim
That was a year. i mean, it 14-4 maybe or something like that.
00:59:28
Cokeley Brothers
ah The numbers are fuzzy. i it was It was a long time ago. um
00:59:32
Squim
year and a half ago and Ladarian was a junior in high school.
00:59:39
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. ah yeah i I don't know. You know who I'm really excited to see at 165?
00:59:50
Cokeley Brothers
Connor Uton.
00:59:54
Squim
Okay.
00:59:55
Cokeley Brothers
All right. Anyway.
00:59:56
Squim
I'm going to shoot down Lockett against Messenbrink and then bring up Connor Uten.
01:00:03
Cokeley Brothers
ah Yeah, I i know. i understand that i'm you're like talking about beasts and I bring in like a pup.
01:00:09
Squim
You're bringing in Uten.
01:00:09
Cokeley Brothers
But maybe...
01:00:10
Squim
What's Uten? He's maxing out at seventh place.
01:00:15
Cokeley Brothers
you remember that he was beating Michael Caliendo before he had to injury default out of the match last year?
01:00:18
Squim
Michael Caliendo almost lost to Sparks that like ah not that long after that or before that either.
01:00:24
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, the soldier salute. It's valid.
01:00:26
Squim
Yeah.
01:00:27
Cokeley Brothers
It's true. It's fair. Um...
01:00:29
Squim
Blaze. Blaze is also interesting. What's Joey Blaze going like?
01:00:32
Cokeley Brothers
Oh God, i forgot about Joey Blaze.
01:00:32
Squim
He's Nittany Lions slayer.
01:00:35
Cokeley Brothers
He is the lion slayer.
01:00:37
Squim
That's
01:00:39
Cokeley Brothers
Lions don't like fire, Reese. They can't handle the Blaze.
01:00:43
Squim
right.
01:00:43
Cokeley Brothers
Except for they have a a little fire of their own now. Just a little one. A little guy. Can we explain to Ryan that Marcus Blaze and Jax Forrest are not the same size?
01:00:54
Squim
Dude, I mean, I've never seen Jax Forrest in person.
01:00:57
Cokeley Brothers
I think Jax's arms might be twice as long as Marcus's, actually.
01:00:58
Squim
and
01:01:00
Squim
if If Jax is a as small as Marcus Blaze was, then, I mean, Marcus Blaze was shockingly small.
01:01:09
Cokeley Brothers
That would look weird. I know. and I was like, okay, you are like, you're not going to.
01:01:15
Squim
They both look lanky. I've seen them head-to-head in matches, and they both look pretty similar.
01:01:20
Cokeley Brothers
Right. I don't know.
01:01:22
Squim
Like lanky dudes.
01:01:24
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. i don't know, dude. I don't know.
01:01:27
Squim
Forrest is up at 38 in high school.
01:01:27
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know
01:01:29
Squim
That's what he's ranked at.
01:01:30
Cokeley Brothers
So, I mean, dude, wrestle, wrestle, wrestle 150.
01:01:32
Squim
That's what Blazers ranked last year, I don't think Marcus Blazers cut in weight.
01:01:36
Cokeley Brothers
Don't cut any weight. Are you out of your mind?
01:01:43
Cokeley Brothers
What, to wrestle 133?
Kale Sanderson's Influence on NCAA Wrestling
01:01:44
Cokeley Brothers
I was talking about Forrest.
01:01:44
Squim
Yeah.
01:01:47
Squim
Well, they're both, I mean, yeah. I don't know. I think they're similar size. I don't know. I'm not sold yet. I haven't haven't sized up Jax Forrest.
01:01:52
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe you're right.
01:01:55
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe right. Now, talk about somebody and weight. ah Reportedly, this is a rumor. This total rumor. I have zero confirmation or validation on this. Reportedly, PJ Duke weighed in for the OU duel and didn't make weight.
01:02:12
Squim
Yeah, you know, i didn't really think about this, but he's got to be too big for 157.
01:02:18
Cokeley Brothers
He's got to be. ah And so what i then I did here separately, but before I heard that he missed weight from a different person that, yeah, PJ Duke's not ready yet. He's got it. He blew up after worlds.
01:02:31
Cokeley Brothers
Like he got really big. And I'm like, the weight cut's going to be a problem.
01:02:37
Squim
Could be a problem.
01:02:39
Cokeley Brothers
Weight cut could be a problem. 154.
01:02:40
Squim
but So 40 or 70 kilos, 154.
01:02:40
Cokeley Brothers
um
01:02:43
Cokeley Brothers
one fifty four
01:02:45
Squim
um four Okay. So he gotta he gets he gets a couple pounds.
01:02:48
Cokeley Brothers
he could he He's probably gonna be fine. He's probably going to be just okay. um But after this, he he wrestles this year. He redshirts. He's 165. Maybe he's wrestling 74 kilos moving forward.
01:03:04
Squim
It's wraps.
01:03:06
Cokeley Brothers
Wrap it up. That's what's happening. Unless the kid decides that he wants to alter his physical kind and construct.
01:03:12
Squim
show the g plan. I'll
01:03:14
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. um
01:03:17
Squim
pay the deal.
01:03:17
Cokeley Brothers
God, I had other... Do have other stuff? I know I want to talk about Penn State, but i want to get I want to get through everything else before I get to the mud. um <unk> Yeah, 184 is f freaking fireworks.
01:03:27
Squim
My name is Mud.
01:03:34
Cokeley Brothers
Patrick Kennedy looked good.
01:03:36
Squim
My name is Mud.
01:03:38
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Let's talk about Penn State.
01:03:43
Cokeley Brothers
i
01:03:45
Cokeley Brothers
There was a lot of conversation... for over the last months and I was part of it and I I've moved, I've moved amongst the opinions on this. One thing that is being said by ah group of people is that Kale Sanderson owes it to the sport to, to grow the sport by attending this event, uh, by sending his, his wrestlers to wrestle with the national duels. so I disagree with that.
01:04:12
Cokeley Brothers
The way I see it as a head coach, And this applies for every single head coach, probably beyond just wrestling, but I'll just, let's just think about that. The wrestling head coaches, their singular sole goal for the, the growth development and improvement of the sport is to college coaches is to take high recruits, high level recruits, take your athletes and make them better wrestlers and better people point blank.
01:04:38
Cokeley Brothers
That's it. That's all you have to do. It doesn't get any more complicated than that, really.
01:04:45
Cokeley Brothers
However, there are people that are defending Penn State and saying, oh, well, you guys want to talk about growing the sport. Let's talk about how how Kale Sanderson ah isn't isn't enacting these, i you know, isn't attacking smaller programs and taking athletes through the transfer portal.
01:05:08
Cokeley Brothers
And, ah you know, you see these programs like Nebraska are taking Cal State Baker Bakersfields, only all American and and taking.
01:05:16
Squim
Mitchell Messenbrink, hello.
01:05:18
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, Mitchell Mezenbrink, Aaron Nagau, Greg Kirkfleet, Kyle Cannell, Bernie Truax.
01:05:21
Squim
Bernie Truax.
01:05:24
Cokeley Brothers
You want to talk about the transfer portal. Don't even get me started on the transfer portal. Everybody uses it. And that's okay because it's there. It's part of the game. You got to play by the rules. That's just the way it works. Okay.
01:05:36
Cokeley Brothers
everybody's Everybody's playing Monopoly. Everybody's got money. Some people have more. Some people have less. And here's the other thing that I've that i've discerned from the fact that that Penn State didn't go to this event.
01:05:49
Cokeley Brothers
Because I'm pretty sure, and maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that if the prize money for winning this event was big enough, make it 10x, $2 million. dollars If it's $2 million, Kale Sanderson says, yeah, we'll take that check.
01:06:06
Cokeley Brothers
But it's not big enough for him to say, yeah, we're going to go to this event. And so because of that, he doesn't go, which means Kel Sanderson has money. If Kel Sanderson has money, you know, he's paying his athletes.
01:06:19
Cokeley Brothers
You know, the guys at Penn state aren't there just because of the culture and the love of the sport and the fact that they want to be world and Olympic champions.
01:06:20
Squim
True, true.
01:06:26
Cokeley Brothers
They're getting paid too. It's happening. Don't, don't try and convince me otherwise.
Sanderson's Recruitment Tactics
01:06:33
Cokeley Brothers
Third point.
01:06:35
Squim
trotro
01:06:36
Cokeley Brothers
If you want to really talk about,
01:06:40
Cokeley Brothers
Ethics and the way coaches operate their programs and the way they, they put their teams together. Kale Sanderson. And I've heard this from people who have been recruited by Kale Sanderson.
01:06:54
Cokeley Brothers
Kale Sanderson pulls no punches when it comes to recruitment. And that's the way a coach has to do it. And I understand that he will see that a kid is committed and he will talk to that kid, ask about the program and then give his opinion on the coaching staff and and the program, and the way things are handled, and explain to the kid why it's better if they just go and wrestle Penn State instead.
01:07:15
Cokeley Brothers
And we've seen it happen. We've seen kids flip come in commitments. So don't get me started and try it. Don't tell me that Kale Sanderson is this patron saint who commits no sins in the sport of wrestling. And he just brings, you know, he shepherds wrestlers into the Penn State room, and he makes them makes them better people. And it's all, everything's good.
01:07:36
Cokeley Brothers
Because that's just not the way it is. It's not the way it works. Okay.
Control Over National Duels
01:07:41
Cokeley Brothers
Kale Sanderson explicitly said in an interview that what he was interested in from the national duels was if I want to be involved, I want to have, you know, I want to have a say in how it, how it's put out, how it's operated.
01:07:59
Squim
He wants control.
01:08:03
Squim
Give him control.
01:08:03
Cokeley Brothers
We saw that with the all-star classic last year.
01:08:04
Squim
but Did the other coaches have control? Any any level of control?
01:08:09
Cokeley Brothers
No, but Reese, because they're not the dynasty, because they're not the one team, the big dogs, they can't.
01:08:15
Squim
but don't Why would they expect to have any kind of control?
01:08:17
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Mark Manning, what do you want? Just show up.
01:08:20
Squim
You shut up and be happy about your invitation, Mark.
01:08:21
Cokeley Brothers
Send your wrestlers. So, I don't know. It's very it's very frustrating to me.
01:08:27
Squim
Hey, you want to know something?
01:08:29
Cokeley Brothers
Sure.
01:08:32
Squim
they'll be They'll be there next year.
01:08:36
Cokeley Brothers
and' I'm not betting on that.
01:08:38
Squim
They'll be there next year.
01:08:39
Cokeley Brothers
I'm not betting on it, but here's the deal.
Sanderson's Focus on Program Improvement
01:08:43
Cokeley Brothers
Whether they do or they don't show up, Kale Sanderson owes nothing to the growth of the sport other than making better wrestlers.
01:08:50
Cokeley Brothers
um Don't talk to me about poaching athletes. Don't talk to me about ah money, recruitment, all that stuff. Kale Sanderson to make better wrestlers. He's going to do what's best for his program.
01:09:03
Cokeley Brothers
Cool. That's fine.
01:09:05
Squim
You know what?
01:09:05
Cokeley Brothers
I'm not worried about any of that.
01:09:05
Squim
maybe Maybe this is what he was thinking the whole time. I don't want to go there and absolutely annihilate every team and take away from the fanfare.
01:09:15
Cokeley Brothers
Yep. And you know what?
01:09:16
Squim
I'll wait until next year.
01:09:19
Cokeley Brothers
It was better. It was better that they weren't there. And people said that and and they're right.
01:09:23
Squim
It was bad.
01:09:24
Cokeley Brothers
It was better that they weren't there. And that's cool too.
01:09:26
Squim
Ohio State did went went ahead and just did that. Yep.
01:09:30
Cokeley Brothers
Ohio State filled in the position and my God, I am excited for that duel in February.
01:09:35
Squim
Exactly.
01:09:35
Cokeley Brothers
However, it's probably going to go, probably going to go the way we expect it to go.
01:09:36
Squim
You got us excited for that duel. Hey,
Ohio State vs. Penn State Matchup Analysis
01:09:41
Squim
you know what? This is how I see it. It's two it's two matches they're favored in. Three matches.
01:09:47
Squim
No, no. Five matches Penn State are favored in. Three toss-ups.
01:09:56
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. They're favored at heavyweight. They're favored at 41.
01:10:01
Squim
Three toss-ups.
01:10:01
Cokeley Brothers
Probably expected to get bonus at 41. It's a toss-up 133. It's a toss-up. It's a toss-up 157? Okay. What are the three... it's a tossup
01:10:14
Cokeley Brothers
tossup at one fifty seven
01:10:18
Squim
um No. It's toss-up at 33, 74, 84.
01:10:25
Cokeley Brothers
sort of the three
01:10:29
Squim
Why wouldn't
01:10:34
Cokeley Brothers
It's a toss up between Fishback and Welsh.
01:10:38
Squim
why wouldn't it be?
01:10:41
Squim
More a toss-up than Haynes and Hartstuck.
01:10:44
Cokeley Brothers
That's that's the next one that i was. Yeah, but I had think back to their match last year and I'm like, oh, Carson could have done it.
01:10:52
Squim
Could have
01:10:52
Cokeley Brothers
Oh. um um I don't know.
01:10:56
Squim
done it. Other, yeah, the other real problem with this is, you know, it's probably at BJC, I'm
01:10:57
Cokeley Brothers
think I might.
Individual Match-up Speculations
01:11:02
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, you know what we need?
01:11:02
Squim
assuming.
01:11:03
Squim
Or maybe it's at Rec Hall, which is actually worse for them.
01:11:06
Cokeley Brothers
We need a boozy bomb to kick it, kick off the duel, lock up that cradle pin Luke Lilladol.
01:11:10
Squim
Busy can bomb? Yeah. i think You have to wrestle Busakis in that duel. You have to.
01:11:16
Cokeley Brothers
Well, hold on. Well, when you say that, but then also Brennan McCrone pinned him last year.
01:11:20
Squim
Brennan McCrone did pin him, but there's just, I give that 0.5% chance of happening over again.
01:11:25
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. I'd, I'd, I'd throw out Buzakas. I'm sure by that point, the starter will have been determined and they will have made their choice.
01:11:34
Squim
i mean, they're going to just back and forth the whole season until, yeah.
01:11:37
Cokeley Brothers
Probably. It's probably going to be Shakur Rashid, Anthony Kassar situation.
01:11:40
Squim
I mean, with Buzagas, yeah, unless Buzagas just decides to not wrestle, just like throw throw out all the data from the Previous three seasons he's wrestled.
01:11:52
Cokeley Brothers
if It feels like he could be fundamentally a different wrestler at 125, but...
01:11:58
Squim
It could be.
01:12:00
Cokeley Brothers
We'll see. We'll see. um Yeah, and then 41 and 49, it's going to be rough. Like Ethan Stiles just needs to do damage control. Brandon Cannon. I'm giving Brandon Cannon a chance.
01:12:12
Cokeley Brothers
Patty Gallagher. I'm not giving him a chance. But Patty Gallagher, please keep it to a major. Please. um
01:12:18
Squim
Mm-hmm.
01:12:21
Cokeley Brothers
Carson.
01:12:21
Squim
I think I'm
01:12:22
Cokeley Brothers
Carson could be a toss-up. Carson could give a bonus.
01:12:27
Squim
going to give up on this.
01:12:28
Cokeley Brothers
who I believe my hands gets a little too mean on top. I don't know, dude.
01:12:32
Squim
Carson's good on bottom.
01:12:34
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I don't know. its It scares me. ah Yeah, and then like 197. 197 could be rough.
01:12:44
Squim
Yeah, 197 could be rough.
01:12:49
Squim
Yeah, I mean, even with it yeah i got them winning even if with them winning the toss-ups, I still had it Penn State.
01:12:49
Cokeley Brothers
It would take. It's a bonus.
01:12:58
Squim
But hey, that's close.
01:12:59
Cokeley Brothers
you would need You would need a sick wrestler. You would need a throw. You would need some sort of...
01:13:04
Squim
some kind of ah Some kind of fall.
01:13:06
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. You need something big. um
Pitt's Comeback Against Princeton
01:13:10
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. I think that's like all that I have from this weekend. I know that there was other wrestling going on. Oh, Pitt.
01:13:18
Cokeley Brothers
Pitt had a crazy come-from-behind over Princeton. Did you see that?
01:13:24
Squim
No?
01:13:25
Cokeley Brothers
They were down 19-10.
01:13:25
Squim
Wait, I'd lose a lot.
01:13:29
Cokeley Brothers
Going into the last two matches. Max Stout gets a tech fall.
01:13:34
Cokeley Brothers
Or I think it was nineteen to nine Max Stout gets a tech fall. And Dayton Pitzer gets a pin. And they win 20-19. Or 21-19. Something like that.
01:13:46
Cokeley Brothers
Pretty miraculous stuff.
01:13:48
Squim
Pretty cool.
01:13:48
Cokeley Brothers
um I think all the Ferrari brothers wrestled this weekend. And AJ was the only one to lose.
01:13:55
Squim
How embarrassing.
01:13:57
Cokeley Brothers
How embarrassing. um
01:14:02
Cokeley Brothers
There's two 5-0 dual teams right now in the Big Ten. It's Purdue and Ohio State. Which one do you think is better? I don't know. It's a toss-up. Yeah, that's pretty much all I got.
01:14:13
Cokeley Brothers
There was a whole There was just about a a complete Ouroboros tale. um Or Ouroboros. Got 125 this weekend from national duels.
01:14:24
Squim
There are three teams from the national duels that – I'll throw four. Four teams from – five. Five teams from the national duels that excite me.
National Duels Team Performances
01:14:34
Squim
Lehigh, Minnesota, Missouri.
01:14:37
Squim
lee you I already said Lehigh. Ohio State, Minnesota. Did I say Minnesota already? Virginia Tech.
01:14:43
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, it's there's four teams.
01:14:47
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, yeah, Virginia Tech. That's fair. That's fair. They got some guys. um Yeah. Did you say NC State?
01:14:53
Squim
I did not.
01:14:57
Cokeley Brothers
That's fair. That's fair, I guess.
01:14:58
Squim
I don't feel like they're, I don't, I feel like they're not, i don't know. Are they, can they really do anything with their lineup to,
01:15:01
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah.
01:15:04
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. i was I was kind of expecting more from Arrington and Jack.
01:15:07
Squim
I mean, yeah, for sure.
01:15:08
Cokeley Brothers
um Biscons looked fine. Biscons looked better than I thought he was going to look.
01:15:11
Squim
This is a they got
01:15:13
Cokeley Brothers
Will Denny kind of surprised me a little bit, but then they're, until they get Patrick Brophy and, and, and Isaac Trumbull in there, they are rough.
01:15:16
Squim
they they got they got an right now.
01:15:23
Cokeley Brothers
Yes. And two 85 is until Trumbull shows up.
01:15:25
Squim
yeah yeah
01:15:28
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. But yeah, Virginia tech fire, Minnesota fire. Um,
01:15:35
Squim
Yeah, i mean, Minnesota, Virginia Tech, those are teams that, I mean, Virginia Tech for sure, especially like next year, they're going to be so good.
01:15:42
Cokeley Brothers
dude. It's a trophy team. It's a trophy team right there.
01:15:45
Squim
They're going tough. Yeah.
01:15:47
Cokeley Brothers
I do wish, I wish we could have seen like a healthy Stanford there.
National Duels Future Changes
01:15:51
Cokeley Brothers
I wish we could have seen a ah healthy Iowa state there, but I get it.
01:15:55
Squim
Yeah.
01:15:56
Cokeley Brothers
Um, I'm interested to see what kind of adjustments the national duels make this upcoming year. Um,
01:16:02
Squim
As far as what the process is,
01:16:04
Cokeley Brothers
process The the selection, the seeding, are they going to bump it up from more than 16 teams? Are they going to... I would keep it where it is. Are they going to change the prize pool? Are they going to... You know, is there... is there a what What adjustments are going be made, basically?
01:16:22
Cokeley Brothers
Because I'm sure they're going to change some things.
01:16:23
Squim
ah looking for those adjustments.
01:16:25
Cokeley Brothers
I want to see some adjustments. I want to see some more sequencing in their action, you know?
01:16:28
Squim
More sequencing.
01:16:30
Cokeley Brothers
ah Okay. Okay.
01:16:31
Squim
I would like that too. And that's what we're going to get.
01:16:34
Cokeley Brothers
We would like to do more of that.
01:16:36
Squim
Yeah.
01:16:38
Cokeley Brothers
I think that's all I got.
01:16:41
Cokeley Brothers
You good?
Closing Banter
01:16:43
Squim
I'm golden.
01:16:44
Cokeley Brothers
Hopefully, we're back with the with the third stooge next week.
01:16:50
Squim
Yeah. He was not at all sad about missing this podcast.
01:16:52
Cokeley Brothers
um
01:16:56
Cokeley Brothers
Dude. We'll talk.
01:16:58
Squim
He sent me a text.
01:16:59
Cokeley Brothers
We'll talk.
01:16:59
Squim
He sent us. He sent the text to the group. Did you see what it was?
01:17:03
Cokeley Brothers
No.
01:17:04
Squim
There's a link to buying a new MacBook.
01:17:08
Cokeley Brothers
Oh.
01:17:09
Squim
i hate I hate that so much, dude.
01:17:12
Cokeley Brothers
Why?
01:17:12
Squim
Don't send me, don't tell me I need to buy a new computer.
01:17:12
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, because... Because...
01:17:15
Squim
Don't send me any links unless you are going to buy me one yourself. So my response was Christmas question mark? Nothing, got nothing back. What a surprise.
01:17:27
Cokeley Brothers
right. All right. Thank you everybody, for listening. Let us know what we missed. Because we missed something.
01:17:35
Squim
We did There was too much to get to.
01:17:35
Cokeley Brothers
And we don't know what it is. Too much to get to. Have a good day. Goodbye. Where's my stop button?
01:17:41
Squim
Bye.