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Cokeley Brothers
All right, welcome to, uh, is that? No, it's
Wrestling Seasons: From Freestyle to College
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Cokeley Brothers
not. Welcome to another episode of the Barn Session Podcast. We're here with a lot of wrestling because guess what?
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Cokeley Brothers
It's starting to ramp back up. College season is this week. The first duel is in four days, three days from when you'll be hearing this. Uh, yeah.
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Cokeley Brothers
We got some wrestling to talk about.
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Ryne
It's back. It's back, baby.
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Cokeley Brothers
It's back. ah But freestyle season, the freestyle season just wrapped up today.
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Cokeley Brothers
ah Real American Freestyle had another event happen this last weekend. And then we could talk about some college wrestling.
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Ryne
It was a, and it was, dare I say, better than the first.
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Cokeley Brothers
i i was um unavailable for the viewership of it. Did you watch?
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Ryne
That's what most people are saying that production-wise better than the first one.
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Cokeley Brothers
Interesting.
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Ryne
I've seen, um seen a I guess I say most people.
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Ryne
I don't, I mean like I've seen people say that.
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Reese
ah You didn't watch it.
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Reese
Sammy, you watched it.
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Cokeley Brothers
Didn't watch it.
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Reese
You didn't watch it.
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Cokeley Brothers
I didn't watch it. I checked the results and watched some of the highlights, but.
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Reese
Neither did none of us watched it.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. I was busy. All right. I was busy hanging out with a bunch of dudes. Okay.
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Reese
That is not so none of your none of your.
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Ryne
I've watched matches.
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Reese
Cornell buddies were watching it either.
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Cokeley Brothers
Dude, this is a thing that I've learned. There is it um a majority of the time. Once you're done with wrestling, you're done with wrestling.
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Reese
Yeah. We're not, we're, we're not exactly and the majority.
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Cokeley Brothers
Plus we had, we had priorities. We had different priorities whenever we were in Arizona.
Golfing Tales and Sport Preferences
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Reese
You're talking about, you're talking about golf, talking about the house.
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Cokeley Brothers
Dude, we were at the golf course for like we're at the golf course for like six hours, which is too long.
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Ryne
Yeah, it sounds terrific.
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Cokeley Brothers
Dude, i have I don't even know if you can see it.
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Cokeley Brothers
have ah I have a triangular tan line here now, wherever.
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Reese
Yeah, what is i see that.
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Cokeley Brothers
It's brutal.
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Reese
Why is it? Is it because you had a collared shirt on?
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, because you got to have golf etiquette.
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Ryne
Was Cam Simons just shitting on your inability to hit the ball?
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Cokeley Brothers
No, he was actually, a he was, I would imagine he implemented the same coaching style that he does for his athletes. Cause it worked.
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Reese
What was he saying?
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Cokeley Brothers
I was picking it up, dude. i was picking it up. So.
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Ryne
Sammy is a changed man. He used to think Greco-Roman wrestling is better than golf, and now he's now he's different.
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Cokeley Brothers
Still do. um
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Cokeley Brothers
i I, would rather, i would rather watch Greco, Greco Roman wrestling than golf.
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Ryne
You wouldn't, though.
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Ryne
You wouldn't if you watched...
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Cokeley Brothers
Watching and playing golf are two two insanely different things.
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Ryne
If you watched... If you watched what I watch, you wouldn't.
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Cokeley Brothers
If you watched it the way I watched it, you'd understand.
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Ryne
No, no, not the way I watch it.
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Cokeley Brothers
All right.
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Ryne
gotta watch the Ryder Cup, man.
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Cokeley Brothers
Let's get out of the golf.
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Ryne
You gotta watch the Ryder Cup.
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Cokeley Brothers
want I don't want to get out of the golf.
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Cokeley Brothers
I want to talk about U23s.
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Reese
I never, you know, you don't, don't come at him with any, any other sports.
Football Updates and USA's Wrestling Success
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Reese
Speaking of other sports, football.
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Cokeley Brothers
You bring other sports, it starts to piss me off.
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Reese
What about these football teams?
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Cokeley Brothers
You wouldn't like me if I'm angry.
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Cokeley Brothers
If you guys want to talk about Kurt Signetti, I'll do it.
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Reese
Kurt Signetti. How about Kurt Signetti? Yeah.
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Ryne
Future national champion right there.
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Cokeley Brothers
i want I want the Hoosier smoking cigs for the rest of his life.
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Ryne
Well, he did sign a nice hefty ah contract extension.
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Cokeley Brothers
Eight year?
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Reese
But it's he's about to...
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Ryne
those Those rumors were swirling about him going to Penn State and he's and they were like, nope.
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Cokeley Brothers
were canned They were canned. Basically, James Franklin got fired and then three days later, that contract got signed.
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Reese
Yep. They laid their balls right on the...
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Ryne
that I mean, that's what you do, right?
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Reese
Plopped them right on the desk.
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Reese
They're like, we have the money.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yes. But yeah twenty three s ah
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Cokeley Brothers
We win. So we we do this the sweep of age group ah team titles. ah USA does. We had ah let's count them up. One, two, three, four gold medal finishes in men's freestyle.
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Cokeley Brothers
And then we had one bronze. So four golds, a bronze, and then bunch of other guys doing some other stuff.
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Ryne
Man, and honestly, it really ended up being a lot closer. Like, um with the way it was going, i was like, dude, we are going to destroy this team race.
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Ryne
We took some lumps. We took some lumps with Rocco Welsh and, well, Josh Barr getting hurt, obviously.
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Reese
yeah Okay, so I didn't know what happened to Josh. I couldn't find anything.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, he could he might have cracked a rib.
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Reese
Was it the first round or what?
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Cokeley Brothers
No, yeah I think it was...
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Ryne
No, quarters. Quarters. It was quarters. it was quarters.
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Cokeley Brothers
quarterfinals.
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Cokeley Brothers
It was a quarter cause it ended up putting him at 10th place.
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Cokeley Brothers
Um, he's up three to one against, ah ah Iran and, uh, gives up a go behind with about a minute and a half left.
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Cokeley Brothers
And on the first gut, when he turns back over, you can see him signaling for injury time and grabbing his rib and the Iranian just turns him into a pinwheel.
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Ryne
rat rent rent And honestly, some of those, I was like, all right, he didn't exactly go completely back over into a defensive position.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I think it was mercy rules from the ref. I think the ref was just like, just get it over with. Because, ah you know, Josh wasn't goingnna going to try and defend it after that.
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Cokeley Brothers
And i have I have my criticisms of the whole parterre situation, but I think I've been kind of talked down from them a little bit. Yeah.
Wrestling Rules and Training Insights
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Ryne
What were your criticisms?
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Cokeley Brothers
I feel like, and it's not fair to to only say that this is ah that you can only apply this to Nittany Lion Wrestling Club because they represented seven of the ten weights for us. But Parterre is insanely underutilized.
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Cokeley Brothers
And then on top of that, our defense, if we come up against a guy who is particularly savvy on top, our defense is not um equitable to that.
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Cokeley Brothers
So... I feel like we did see that. the The only guy who was really utilizing work on top was Jax Forrest. And the rest of the guys, like Mitchell Mezenbrink had a lot of opportunities to to transition from ah from a takedown to a turn.
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Cokeley Brothers
And he was... It's like he was trying to hit three different turns all at the same time. He was just jumping from thing to thing and not really committing to anything. It's like...
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Ryne
Mitchell Messenbrink has wrestling ADHD, I feel like.
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Cokeley Brothers
you If you have...
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Cokeley Brothers
A little bit, a little bit. And and then somebody somebody on Twitter was like, well, yeah, I mean, I imagine it's pretty hard to be proficient on top in folk style and freestyle. And I'm like, yeah, but Mitchell Mezenbrink isn't proficient in top in either.
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Cokeley Brothers
He's only takedowns. That's all he does. ah And that's fine. And and and what the the thing that the argument that I was given is that you start on your feet. So...
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Cokeley Brothers
you can have the world's best gut wrench, but if you can't take somebody down, then it doesn't mean anything, which which does have some value to it.
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Cokeley Brothers
But if you have one of the world's best gut wrenches and you're pretty good at getting takedowns, then all you need is a takedown to get it to end a match.
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Cokeley Brothers
That like, don't, do you think James green would have the, the international success that he had if he didn't have the leg lace that he had?
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Ryne
He didn't. Yeah, because he didn't always have that leg lace.
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Cokeley Brothers
He didn't? I feel like he had it back in 2015.
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Reese
It was, I think that was, that was just like a bonus for him really.
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Reese
I mean, he, I don't feel like he really used it internationally.
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Ryne
He was pretty prof. He was pretty proficient on his feet.
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Cokeley Brothers
okay Maybe that's not a good example then.
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Reese
think I can think of like
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Ryne
Same with Burroughs.
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Cokeley Brothers
I don't know who would be.
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Ryne
Burroughs later developed a leg lace, but he was mostly double legs when he first started, you know.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yes. Yes. ah Dude, he did this. I told Reese about this. He would do this thing. where he would get a takedown. This was back when it was the three period system.
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Cokeley Brothers
He would get a takedown and then he would do something on top that encouraged his opponents to try and reverse him. And then he would use that to get a step out. And so we would turn his takedowns from, two points to three points.
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Cokeley Brothers
It was very bizarre what he was doing.
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Cokeley Brothers
he He did it to Dennis Argus in two individual and two separate matches.
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Reese
It's so weird that that dude's name is Dennis.
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Cokeley Brothers
And like multiple times.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. That, that and in David are the two most normal names to come from that.
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Reese
At least David is a biblical name.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah.
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Reese
the heck is Dennis?
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Ryne
Dennis, isn't Dennis the menace?
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Cokeley Brothers
But it's like
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Reese
Dennis the Menace. Philippines.
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Cokeley Brothers
like, they had had the Dennis system in the Bible.
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Reese
From the Book of Damascus. Is that a book?
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Cokeley Brothers
I don't think so. I think that's a, I don't think,
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Ryne
You should know you went to Catholic school.
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Reese
hopefully Hopefully Mr. D'Amico isn't watching this.
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Cokeley Brothers
let me just, let me just glance over some of the, some of these results. Jack's for our, uh, Luke Lillard, gold medal finish at 57 kilos. That makes him, uh, the triple crown winner of age group world titles.
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Cokeley Brothers
He's won you 17, you 20 and you 23s, uh, Jack's forest, one gold, huh?
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Reese
Who'd you say? Mitchell?
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Cokeley Brothers
No, Luke Lilladol.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Jack's forced one gold.
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Cokeley Brothers
It's his first world world title. um honest I was nervous about him. He teched his way into the finals and then he won a 17 to 14 barn burner. at the it's a very big
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Ryne
Jackson when you 17th.
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Cokeley Brothers
He took second. He got thrown in a headlock twice.
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Ryne
ah Oh, that's right.
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Cokeley Brothers
Dude, I was like, this guy this guy is having a mental issue in medal matches at Worlds. Because he, early on in this match, in the finals match, um he just basically...
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Cokeley Brothers
over under whips this guy over to his back and probably hasn't pinned, but he could have, he could have maybe pinned him. Um, and then the guy just drove him out and got takedowns to get the lead back. And then Jax Forrest got the lead back. There were probably like five lead exchanges.
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Cokeley Brothers
Um, but Jax maybe has some issues closing, closing the door. We saw it against yes and guilty and that's high quality competition, but it's,
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Reese
Easy. i feel like it's an easy thing to fix.
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Reese
Especially like him.
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Cokeley Brothers
Tightening up your defense, just train with Marcus Blaze a little bit and then you get it figured out. I don't know how he would train with Marcus, but he figured out.
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Reese
Why'd you say Marcus?
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Cokeley Brothers
Because he's like one of the hardest guys to take down.
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Cokeley Brothers
and Okay.
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Cokeley Brothers
Train with Dayton Fix. There we go.
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Cokeley Brothers
That'll be easy.
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Cokeley Brothers
Hmm? Yeah.
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Reese
That's why you said it. i
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Cokeley Brothers
yeah ah mar is Speaking of Marcus Blaze, he went 0-1. A little bit little bit of a surprise. ah ah maybe um Maybe considered an upset. It was a ah not an ideal matchup for him.
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Cokeley Brothers
This ah guy from Kyrgyzstan just...
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Ryne
just He was undersized.
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Cokeley Brothers
yeah he Yes, one, Marcus was undersized, but two, this guy from Kyrgyzstan wanted to wrestle a 2-1 match, and that's what he got. He kind of got the flip coin of like passivity, step-out situation. ah And yeah.
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Reese
These Kyrgyzstanis, tough.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, they're they're kind of...
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Ryne
Was it not another Ulu guy?
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Cokeley Brothers
Yes, well, I mean, I think they're like...
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Reese
How many are there?
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Ryne
Are they brothers or cousins?
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Cokeley Brothers
I think a lot of them are. I think it's the same way that how like a lot of guys from Georgia, their last name, Anton Shvili, it's like the same thing.
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Reese
and And that dude lost the next round.
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Ryne
Oh, and Russia's Magomedov.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. ah they The ah Ulu lost, ah or Sharip Ulu lost in the semis to Jalalov.
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Cokeley Brothers
Umidjan from Uzbekistan.
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Cokeley Brothers
That was, i mean it was the same situation, but Jalalov had the size to be able to drive him around. Dude, and it further accentuated the fact that ah Part or grounded needs to just, you cannot use it to say, oh no, he dropped to his knees is not a step out.
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Cokeley Brothers
It's like, it's very obvious what's happening. He was literally getting pushed out of bounds and he just like plopped down to his knees and slid out. It's like, what are we, what are we doing? Is, are we not rewarding that?
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Cokeley Brothers
Are we just allowing for him to evade this position? and and that's it. That shouldn't be the way it happens to me.
00:13:17
Reese
How do you stop it? How do you fix it?
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Cokeley Brothers
Redefine what grounded is.
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Cokeley Brothers
Give me some time.
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Ryne
Redefine it right now.
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Cokeley Brothers
Oh, okay.
00:13:33
Reese
Five, four, three, two, one.
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Cokeley Brothers
Grounded can only be established. Grounded can only be established as a position ah whenever the ah whenever both wrestlers are down on more than two supporting points.
00:13:52
Ryne
If one guy is on his feet while the other guy is trying to ground himself and then get, and he gets driven out, then it's one point for the guy on his feet.
00:14:05
Reese
So I rambles. That's always think about like scrambles and like when when action takes them to the the edge, what do you do?
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Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, there's probably there's probably some loopholes to that, but...
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Cokeley Brothers
Right. i saw i mean I saw a position that was like that went out of bounds they didn't score it, and I'm like, that's fair. I understand not giving a point in that position because it's also not fully clear who went out first.
00:14:26
Cokeley Brothers
So, like, just leave that be.
00:14:29
Cokeley Brothers
Whatever. Okay, that's fine. um But... I think you know there needs to be some sort of, it doesn't have to be a major adjustment, some sort of mitigation of people abusing the grounded rule.
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Cokeley Brothers
And Americans do it too. And I don't like seeing it because it doesn't it's not good wrestling. i don't It's not eye-pleasing.
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Cokeley Brothers
So I want it to go away. um But I mean, honestly, a guy that I was ah guy that i was particularly calling out was Yanni.
00:14:55
Ryne
He's talking about Jaden Cox. so a
00:15:02
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, when when he when he wrestled Amuzad at the World Cup, he would just drop into a front headlock and hold an elbow on the underhook and just go ahead, push me.
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Reese
um don't even remember that match.
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Ryne
Nothing will ever...
00:15:12
Reese
yeah They were at the World Cup.
00:15:15
Ryne
Yeah, Yanni definitely should have won that match.
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Reese
When we were there.
00:15:18
Reese
Oh yeah, he hit that. Sick duck.
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Cokeley Brothers
That duck.
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Cokeley Brothers
Yes. Yes. He definitely could have. I mean, yeah, it's a match you could have
00:15:29
Ryne
No grounding situation will be worse than Jaden Cox, David Taylor.
Controversial Wrestling Rules and Grounding Discussions
00:15:35
Reese
Sickening. tom Tommy or tom william Thomas Williams. I don't know how he liked. I don't know how he preferred it.
00:15:45
Reese
Thomas Williams. Remember him? Benedictine coach?
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Ryne
From Benedictine. Yeah.
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Ryne
I just saw him this weekend at, at, uh,
00:15:50
Reese
Oh, I thought you were talking about Thomas.
00:15:56
Reese
Tommy. thank you jump to Tommy Williams.
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Ryne
um talking about Thomas.
00:16:00
Reese
He was like, dude, this guy, he was like totally impartial when we were watching it. And he goes, he was like beside himself that they didn't call Jaden. And that that was just proof enough for me that like, you know, it was it was not right.
00:16:18
Reese
It was not the right thing to do.
00:16:20
Reese
Degrigious, erroneous.
00:16:22
Cokeley Brothers
So um I'm going to say this. I'm pretty sure Grounded wasn't a thing back then. Back in 2017. I don't think it was.
00:16:29
Ryne
What do you mean? It was a totally a thing. Yes, it was. If you were down on a knee and you got pushed out of bounds, it was no points. Yes.
00:16:38
Reese
I mean, he wasn't getting, he wasn't, du I think the the main thing was like how he was wrestling from his knees and riding around.
00:16:39
Cokeley Brothers
In 2017.
00:16:46
Cokeley Brothers
And sliding all over the place.
00:16:46
Ryne
And then sliding, sliding out of bounds.
00:16:49
Cokeley Brothers
And then what happened is they went out of bounds, but David went out first on his feet and they gave a point to Jaden.
00:16:49
Reese
Negative wrestling.
00:16:55
Cokeley Brothers
That happened.
00:16:55
Ryne
Well, yeah, that's, that's fine.
00:16:58
Cokeley Brothers
I'm pretty sure grounded was not a thing back then.
00:17:03
Cokeley Brothers
I'm trying to look it up right now.
00:17:04
Ryne
It just wasn't called that.
00:17:08
Reese
When are we going get this chat going, man? I guess we would have to do it live.
00:17:11
Cokeley Brothers
but you want to have a live show? would need to do it not at 830 at night.
00:17:19
Reese
So soon you're saying.
00:17:24
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, hang on. I'm looking this up in the meantime. Um, Marcus blaze lost. He went on one PJ Duke took bronze. He lost a Kanan Haybatov in, in the semis 14 to four.
00:17:38
Ryne
Yeah, that was kind of a lopsided loss for the Duke star.
00:17:42
Reese
It was like a one exchange, wasn't it? Kind of thing.
00:17:42
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I think, I think the, uh, I didn't, I didn't get to see this when I was traveling at the time.
00:17:48
Cokeley Brothers
What I heard was that he, ah it was a closer match than the score shows and that, um, if they wrestle again, it's going to be a tight one.
00:17:59
Reese
He gave up, he gave up like three or four turns, I think, in one, off of one takedown. Like three turns, I think.
00:18:10
Reese
And that's what, in Parterre, he gave up like three or four turns.
00:18:11
Cokeley Brothers
um Okay. Oh wait. Partair. Ooh. Hmm. Interesting.
00:18:18
Reese
Hey, but Top got like a trap, trap arm gut.
00:18:22
Reese
I don't remember how he took him down.
00:18:22
Cokeley Brothers
Hmm. Interesting.
00:18:27
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. More parterre problems.
00:18:29
Reese
I'm surprised you didn't see that. that was I think SNL Wrestling tweeted that.
00:18:34
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe. I mean, i i don't see I don't see everything, but we talk basically every day.
00:18:38
Reese
you follow You love that guy.
00:18:47
Cokeley Brothers
ah And he comments on all of our podcast episodes, so we love him.
00:18:52
Cokeley Brothers
ah You know, despite his collegiate allegiances. That's okay.
00:18:56
Reese
Here it is. I found it.
00:18:58
Cokeley Brothers
Mitchell Mezenbrink, gold medal finish, including a win over 70-kilogram senior world champ Yoshinosuke Aoyagi. 7-4 in the semis.
00:19:08
Reese
Aoyagi. So we, that's how we pronounce it, huh? I hate that.
00:19:13
Cokeley Brothers
I believe so. I don't think it's Aoyagi. I think it's Aoyagi.
00:19:17
Cokeley Brothers
I think I could be wrong.
00:19:18
Reese
I mean, that's what I heard. I heard, i heard a Spey saying that or whoever, you know, and he's kind of the arbiter. Spey's the arbiter of pronunciations, I feel like.
00:19:35
Reese
What you doing there, Ryan?
00:19:36
Cokeley Brothers
um I'm um'm going to have to look up this situation with parter later.
00:19:40
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, but yes. Um, He won in the semis. And then other than that, he teched everybody 12 to 10, Oh, 12 to 12, two in the finals. Um, looks phenomenal.
00:19:52
Cokeley Brothers
We've got, we're going to have, we're going have a selection of great wrestlers, um, at 74 kilos in 2028. And they're going to be young.
00:20:02
Cokeley Brothers
Cause I think Levi Haynes is going to work his way down to it to down the weight class too. And the kid's only 21. We haven't even gotten to the fact that he also won a world title.
00:20:07
Reese
Down to 74? You think Haynes will?
00:20:11
Ryne
or where Where else is he going to go?
00:20:11
Cokeley Brothers
I think he'll work his way down.
00:20:11
Reese
You think Haynes is going...
00:20:14
Ryne
Where else is he going to Reese?
00:20:15
Reese
I don't know, dude.
00:20:15
Cokeley Brothers
I don't think 86 is for him.
00:20:16
Reese
I think he's too big.
00:20:19
Cokeley Brothers
I think he'll slim down. I do, but I could be wrong. I i think it's an option. that's That's what I'll say. um I don't know if 86 would be a better fit for him.
00:20:30
Cokeley Brothers
And I guess I'm kind of in the same spot with O'Toole. I don't know what he would want to do. But like if it was David Carr, Mitchell Mezenbrink, Keegan O'Toole, and Levi Haynes 74 kilos,
00:20:39
Reese
Yeah, probably go to 74. Oh,
00:20:46
Cokeley Brothers
That would be a gnarly set for the trials.
00:20:49
Cokeley Brothers
And James Green says he's staying up at 74 kilograms.
00:20:50
Reese
Throw in D Lockett. Freaking Meyer, maybe.
00:20:56
Cokeley Brothers
Meyer Shapiro.
Future Wrestling Contenders and Potential Matches
00:21:00
Cokeley Brothers
If he can get it together. ah But yeah, and then Levi Haynes.
00:21:02
Reese
Who else? I mean, who knows?
00:21:07
Reese
I'm just saying there.
00:21:08
Ryne
he said He said, who knows who else?
00:21:08
Reese
I mean, et cetera, et cetera.
00:21:11
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, right.
00:21:11
Cokeley Brothers
Absolutely. Duke, BJ.
00:21:13
Reese
Duke, fricking Duke, Kasich.
00:21:15
Cokeley Brothers
i don't think Yanni's going to do 74. Maybe, but I'm not. I don't think so. um Levi Haynes.
00:21:25
Ryne
Julian Ramirez? Julian Ramirez?
00:21:26
Cokeley Brothers
and you're like Okay.
00:21:31
Reese
He's wrestling for Puerto Rico, Portugal, Cuba.
00:21:34
Cokeley Brothers
it would be Cuba. He would be Cuba, if anything. He is Cuban from Florida. Levi Haynes won 79 kilograms. Pretty much handled everybody. he The most notable match is a 7-0 win over Madi Yousefi from Iran.
00:21:54
Cokeley Brothers
The same Iranian that beat ah Will Henkel at U20s.
00:21:54
Ryne
Oh, that match was going to be so close.
00:22:00
Cokeley Brothers
Ryan, what did you say?
00:22:02
Ryne
People were saying that match was going be close.
00:22:05
Cokeley Brothers
um i I mean, i think this this was this was Levi's toughest challenge.
00:22:06
Ryne
It wasn't. And it wasn't.
00:22:13
Cokeley Brothers
And I think a lot of people, myself included, did not give Levi Haynes the credit that he's clearly shown that he deserves with how good he is.
00:22:21
Ryne
Yeah, I mean, he he pretty much earned it at Senior Worlds.
00:22:21
Reese
but was this What was the score?
00:22:26
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:28
Ryne
I'm just going to go ahead and say that I knew he was going to crush that guy.
00:22:28
Cokeley Brothers
But I think...
00:22:34
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Okay.
00:22:36
Reese
Yeah, Sammy, you're sounding like it's like, it's like Indiana.
00:22:37
Ryne
There's levels. There's levels.
00:22:40
Reese
It's like Indiana football, you know? All these people, like, you've seen, people just won't give Indiana the credit they deserve. Levi's Indiana football. He's already earned it.
00:22:51
Reese
He's earned it, and you need to just accept that. He's he's a contender at every tournament he's in.
00:22:58
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, i'm um I'm all for it now. I would genuinely ask the question, if Kyle Dake were to drop to 79 kilos, would he beat Levi Haynes?
00:23:08
Reese
I don't know anymore.
00:23:09
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
00:23:10
Cokeley Brothers
i don't know.
00:23:15
Reese
What was up with that?
00:23:15
Cokeley Brothers
It's much more of a question now than one.
00:23:19
Cokeley Brothers
like i wouldn't have ah had i wouldn't I would have said absolutely Kyle Dake is going to beat Levi Haynes at the start of the summer.
00:23:24
Ryne
hundred percent 100% I'm with you. I understand that the match would be extremely close. I would put my money on take.
00:23:32
Reese
Probably I would too.
00:23:34
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, but
00:23:36
Reese
What do you think about that Makov match he had? It felt like he, ah I don't know, he just left points out on the table.
00:23:42
Cokeley Brothers
I saw I heard zero takedowns were scored.
00:23:44
Reese
Yeah, he just pushed them out the whole time.
00:23:47
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, he wrestled, he wrestled, uh, cruiserweight, which is like one 90, right?
00:23:57
Reese
Yeah, I guess it could have been a little too too heavy for some, so like, to, like, you know, finish explosively or whatever.
00:24:07
Reese
for some dake bombs.
00:24:07
Cokeley Brothers
i think I think the weight was a bit of an but like ah was a factor. We'll get to Real American Freestyle. We'll talk about that. ah Let's just wrap it up because that's that is kind of the...
00:24:19
Cokeley Brothers
Well, there's there's one more notable thing to so to say. um Rocco Welsh went two and one He lost to Rahmani from Iran 7-3. The same Rahmani that Max McInerney beat 5-5.
00:24:33
Cokeley Brothers
And so now we have a data point to to work off of. Ryan, what do we think about that?
00:24:35
Reese
You upset somebody on Twitter when you posted that.
00:24:41
Reese
You didn't see, you didn't read the comments in that post.
00:24:43
Ryne
what was the data point?
00:24:45
Reese
You said maybe an early indicator of the pecking order at 184 and somebody was like, you didn't need to include that last sentence.
00:24:56
Cokeley Brothers
I don't remember seeing that at all.
00:24:57
Reese
Some softy, you know, some guy who's
00:24:59
Cokeley Brothers
Some soft Nittany Lion fan.
00:25:03
Reese
probably a Nittany Lion fan.
00:25:04
Ryne
So wait, Zack Ryder beat somebody that beat Rocco Welsh?
00:25:08
Cokeley Brothers
Max McAnally.
00:25:09
Ryne
Oh, Max McAnally. Okay.
00:25:13
Cokeley Brothers
ah He said, you don't have to say the last sentence.
00:25:21
Cokeley Brothers
Most people, though, were saying stuff like, I think Rocco beats Ferrari. And yeah, the pecking order is Ferrari, Max, Welsh, Aiden.
00:25:32
Cokeley Brothers
184 is going to be a killer weight this year. I love it. Max over everybody. so
00:25:36
Reese
I wonder what Ryder, I would include Ryder in that commenter.
00:25:40
Cokeley Brothers
I would include Ryder before Aiden, I think.
00:25:44
Reese
i don't know. Aiden should have beat, he was right there to beat McAnally and Barr, really.
00:25:51
Ryne
He beat McAnally once.
00:25:51
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, my my my my problem, and I think it could be tainted data, ah but my problem with Aiden is the fact that he didn't have a great college redshirt season.
00:25:53
Reese
He did beat, he beat McAnally.
00:25:55
Ryne
And he's beaten Barr before.
00:25:57
Reese
He's beaten Barr before. him
00:26:12
Cokeley Brothers
But I guess it was at 197.
00:26:13
Reese
Well, he had to wait to losses. How
00:26:17
Reese
many losses did he have?
00:26:24
Reese
I'm pretty sure he only took. He only took losses at Midlands, I think.
00:26:29
Cokeley Brothers
ah He went So
00:26:32
Cokeley Brothers
so do you want to retract that?
00:26:35
Reese
Well, I have to. I have no choice.
00:26:40
Cokeley Brothers
By the way, how do we feel about WrestleStat?
00:26:43
Reese
but So I don't know what's happened with WrestleStrike.
00:26:44
Ryne
ah They just changed look. look
00:26:49
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. um Okay, so two things. rees He never wrestled at Midlands. um He wrestled at the Soldier Salute.
00:26:53
Reese
Oh, I was thinking the Soldier Salute.
00:26:56
Cokeley Brothers
he lost He had one loss at Soldier Salute, three losses in the duels.
00:27:00
Cokeley Brothers
He had a 12-9 loss to Andy Smith, an 8-5 loss to Wyatt Volker.
00:27:10
Cokeley Brothers
ah He got majored by Steven Buchanan, and he got majored by Dustin Plott.
00:27:10
Reese
Dogs. Those are dogs.
00:27:17
Cokeley Brothers
He got majored by Dustin plot, but Dustin plot lost to Max McAnally.
00:27:21
Reese
Dustin Plott majored him.
00:27:24
Reese
What was the score?
00:27:26
Cokeley Brothers
18 to seven.
00:27:29
Reese
I think he just needs to clean some stuff up. And yeah, don't know.
00:27:32
Cokeley Brothers
I agree. Yeah.
00:27:35
Cokeley Brothers
Now he had, he beat Isaiah Salazar and he beat Zach Bronicle. So he had some good wins at one 97 well. um We'll see what he's like at 184.
00:27:46
Cokeley Brothers
It could be a totally different story, but it's also going to be there's.
00:27:49
Reese
Well, I mean, he wrestled Plot in 84, right? and That was at 84.
00:27:52
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, but I that's that's where I think the freestyle versus folk style difference is going to come into play. i think that favors Max.
00:28:02
Cokeley Brothers
But we'll see.
00:28:04
Reese
Even though you would think that it wouldn't, but, know.
00:28:09
Cokeley Brothers
ah just For some reason, some guys in freestyle, they just wrestled differently. they just they're They're more open, which is weird.
00:28:17
Reese
Well, you think that Aiden, like you can make more mistakes in folk style versus, real I mean, not necessarily. You can expose, get exposed in folk style without giving up points, but I guess.
00:28:30
Cokeley Brothers
You can be positionally looser in folk style, but in freestyle, you can mount a comeback more easily.
00:28:39
Cokeley Brothers
There's your trade-off.
00:28:39
Reese
It seemed like Aiden had a tough time. ah He just gave up a lot of points.
00:28:47
Reese
A lot of back and forth exchanges.
00:28:48
Cokeley Brothers
Can't, can't do that too much.
00:28:50
Cokeley Brothers
Can't do too much of that. um And then to wrap it up, Josh Barr went two and one injured his rib. ah Jervis, Jervis. I want to say it's Jervis.
00:29:02
Cokeley Brothers
Jervis lost or went one and one. He lost to Rizabeck Aitmukhan, who is a senior world champ. So it's a,
00:29:09
Cokeley Brothers
It's a good loss. No, I'm a con loss to rush.
00:29:13
Cokeley Brothers
Yashida and the semis.
00:29:14
Reese
Oh, that's right. Who is is it?
00:29:16
Reese
Yoshida? Is this the guy that beat Snyder?
Cultural Moments in Wrestling
00:29:20
Cokeley Brothers
He is Japanese with an Iranian father. So every time he's out there wrestling, the Iranians are cheering him on, which is cool.
00:29:28
Cokeley Brothers
Except for probably against the Iranians.
00:29:30
Reese
Whoa, wrestling style looks crazy.
00:29:31
Cokeley Brothers
And then Daniel Herrera took fifth. He made it to the semis, got tech by Azerbaijan and then lost 14 to three in bronze medal match. not Not a bad showing, though. I'm pretty sure um this is this is some newer experience for Daniel Herrera.
00:29:45
Cokeley Brothers
Andy's in redshirt this year. so Solid stuff for Iowa State.
00:29:48
Reese
Herrera was the guy. don't know why I thought it was one of the...
00:29:58
Reese
I thought it was one of the Nittany Lion...
00:30:02
Reese
one of those twins.
00:30:04
Cokeley Brothers
Wasn't Mirasola. Nope. But I do think...
00:30:07
Ryne
It probably would have been if Marisolo was on the third on the ladder, but he wasn't.
00:30:13
Cokeley Brothers
Did he even wrestle at seniors?
00:30:15
Ryne
I don't know. Probably not this year, huh?
00:30:18
Cokeley Brothers
don't think so. um I do think we probably won't see Josh Barr for maybe the first two weeks. I bet he'll still be healing up and recovering. And so we'll see. Connor Mirasola...
00:30:33
Cokeley Brothers
Get the nod at 197. um And who knows? Maybe that opens the door for... There's a little bit of... Who's going to be the starter here? Probably not. ah I'm not ruling it out.
00:30:46
Cokeley Brothers
That is...
00:30:46
Ryne
I think we'll probably see more of Mira Sola earlier until Josh is healthy.
00:30:54
Cokeley Brothers
Yes, 100%. You got um
00:30:57
Ryne
And then if Mira Sola is doing really, really well, then they're going to give Josh they're goingnna give josh some some goes too, and then I have to rest off.
00:31:01
Cokeley Brothers
to ask the question.
00:31:08
Ryne
Close doors, you know? And if word gets through Pat Minio, he'll post it and then delete it.
00:31:13
Cokeley Brothers
one fifty s
00:31:16
Cokeley Brothers
yeah That way and 157 are Penn State's too. I mean, unless they have a plan at 157, but I'm not going to ask him.
00:31:24
Ryne
they can they can play with red shirts we can play with red shirts at 157 at least
00:31:25
Cokeley Brothers
Huh? Yeah. Yes. um
00:31:32
Reese
you got a contemporary way
00:31:32
Cokeley Brothers
ah Does Ono get a red shirt?
00:31:35
Ryne
you're you're the one in on that that's that's uh it's on you brother yeah i thought you knew that information
00:31:41
Cokeley Brothers
Me? To know that if he gets a red shirt?
00:31:49
Cokeley Brothers
I don't. I don't think I know that.
00:31:51
Ryne
I thought you were saying he wasn't earlier.
00:31:54
Ryne
You said that he only has two years of eligibility with no red shirt.
00:31:57
Cokeley Brothers
I think...
00:31:59
Ryne
I thought that's what you said. Maybe you didn't.
00:32:01
Cokeley Brothers
i think the situation was if they get him two years of eligibility that he won't red shirt. I think. I don't know. I don't know. I'll have to inquire.
00:32:13
Cokeley Brothers
and don't know who to ask.
00:32:14
Reese
Dude, I like russ i like this this change in WrestleStat.
00:32:15
Cokeley Brothers
It's a very.
00:32:18
Reese
I'm a fan. ah wish you could I wish these pickems were for money. That would be cool.
00:32:25
Cokeley Brothers
ah Willie tweeted today that. ah He's working on getting betting lines for college wrestling.
00:32:31
Reese
Yes. I mean, we've had them before.
00:32:33
Reese
we I mean, we do have them, don't we? there They sites. Yeah.
00:32:38
Cokeley Brothers
think it's for very specific stuff.
00:32:40
Cokeley Brothers
Select stuff.
00:32:41
Reese
yeah There was one there was one there were years where like it was full fledged betting and I have made like 300 bucks and never got never got the money back.
00:32:56
Reese
That was the website.
00:32:58
Cokeley Brothers
Yes, i remember that.
00:33:00
Ryne
Can i circle back to the grounding stuff?
00:33:05
Ryne
I have asked Grok on Twitter.
00:33:11
Ryne
I have asked him. and two separate In two different ways, I asked, when was the grounding rule established in freestyle wrestling? He says 2013 and then sent me a link. And then I asked him another. way I said, stepping out of bounds results in one point being awarded to the wrestler who stayed in bounds.
00:33:28
Ryne
When was it established that being on your knees or grounded and going out of bounds will not result in one point being awarded? Again, he said 2013.
00:33:40
Reese
right when they changed the, when they went to
00:33:44
Ryne
The new weight classes.
00:33:45
Reese
the new rules or whatever, yeah, two point takedowns and et cetera.
00:33:52
Cokeley Brothers
But it's been in like the last six years that they've done it differently.
00:33:59
Reese
What makes you say that?
00:34:00
Cokeley Brothers
Something has changed because that is when I really started to hear the the bitching and moaning about Grounded.
00:34:06
Reese
would say sometimes it just picks up steam.
00:34:06
Ryne
That's because that's because it just became. yeah that's because more and more people started like figuring out like, oh, I can wrestle this way and not give up a point. No, yes, yes.
00:34:16
Reese
And sometimes people, it takes like a few people like have to point it out and then it catches on like, you know, 2018.
00:34:16
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, but...
00:34:25
Cokeley Brothers
what What was the first year that Siedekov beat Burroughs?
00:34:32
Cokeley Brothers
Okay, when he drove Burroughs out of bounds, Burroughs was sliding on his knees. With the way they currently implement grounding, that wouldn't have been a step out.
00:34:41
Reese
He was not on his knees, bro. He was like dragging his like his, he had like laces down.
00:34:48
Reese
<unk> not on his knees.
00:34:48
Ryne
he was kind of He was kind of in on an attack there, wasn't he?
00:34:53
Cokeley Brothers
I could be wrong. Now I have to pull it up.
00:34:56
Reese
He was like sprawling, but like up from what I remember.
00:35:01
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, he was in on a single leg and and Burrows had sprawled and yeah.
00:35:06
Ryne
and That'll be one point every time.
00:35:08
Cokeley Brothers
No, it wasn't. I watched Jalalab do it to this Sharif Ulu guy and he slid out on his knees and they said, no, that's grounded.
00:35:16
Reese
I want to see that. Where can I find that?
00:35:20
Ryne
I want to see that as well.
00:35:21
Cokeley Brothers
Okay, i will I will get these pieces of data pulled up for the two of you.
00:35:28
Ryne
Because then that is a gross mis...
00:35:28
Cokeley Brothers
if it If it appeases the...
00:35:30
Ryne
That is a yeah is gross... That is a gross misrepresentation of the rules then.
00:35:36
Cokeley Brothers
No, but he's on his knees, so it's grounded.
00:35:38
Reese
But if OK, if it's the same, if it's
00:35:40
Ryne
But it's always been if you've been in on a leg Yeah.
00:35:44
Reese
If it's like what Burroughs, what Citicorp did to Burroughs, then it's Bridges.
00:35:48
Cokeley Brothers
It's I think it is two different things. I think it is two different things, but i don't know, dude.
00:35:53
Cokeley Brothers
It, I gotta, I'm going to ask, I'm going to ask some people.
00:35:58
Ryne
Here's, here's what I'm gonna, here's what I'm gonna, here's what I'm gonna tell you though, too.
00:35:58
Cokeley Brothers
Cause I think, historical I think our historical information is off. Okay.
00:36:03
Reese
He doesn't believe you.
00:36:04
Ryne
Interpretations, interpretations change all the time.
00:36:09
Ryne
Not the necessarily the rules themselves, but the interpretation of the rule.
00:36:15
Cokeley Brothers
Yes. And so I think, I think we're getting closer to what it is because there was a point where they decided like grounded, I think has been a thing for a while, but defining what grounded is, I think has been redefined recently.
00:36:28
Cokeley Brothers
think the, what, like where, where they drew the line at what is and isn't grounded was changed recently to make it clearer.
00:36:34
Ryne
i'm just I'm just saying that's why Jaden Cox went down on a knee to avoid David Taylor taking him down or going out of bounds. It's because he knew. I'm going to slip and slide out of bounds on my sweaty knees and not get called for it.
00:36:54
Cokeley Brothers
be i just don't remember i don't know i don't remember my my mind is slipping
00:37:00
Ryne
My mind kept being like, don't call him for going out of bounds, then hit him for passivity. flee in the hold, something.
00:37:07
Cokeley Brothers
no fleeing yeah fleeing uh let's let's kick it on over to real american freestyle Because I have some thoughts about these results. I have some some some praises I want to sing.
00:37:24
Ryne
seeing them Sing the highest of praises to the man.
00:37:27
Cokeley Brothers
ah Nate Jackson.
Celebrated Wins and Upcoming Matches
00:37:30
Cokeley Brothers
Making the Hoosiers proud.
00:37:33
Cokeley Brothers
Making the Hoosiers proud, baby. That's what I'm freaking talking about. All he does is slay Penn State greats. That's all he does. That was awesome. ah He beat Carter Starachi
00:37:45
Ryne
he's You know, he's not even... He's not the first Hoosier to do it, though. Hmm.
00:37:51
Cokeley Brothers
No, DJ did it. DJ Washington also did it. But I was thinking like, because I drooop i drew a parallel between...
00:37:59
Cokeley Brothers
uh, Nate Jackson beating Bo Nickel and DJ Washington beating Carter Starachi. Cause they are two very similar, ah storylines within college wrestling. Um, but that was probably my favorite result of the night.
00:38:15
Reese
Oh, Sammy. Oh, Sammy.
00:38:18
Reese
You are so dead wrong about the Sitikov. He had Burroughs picked up in the air.
00:38:24
Cokeley Brothers
He had him up in the air.
00:38:26
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe it's a dip. Maybe it's the other match then. I feel like there was one where it was like he's trying really hard to be on the ground.
00:38:29
Reese
We'll see the next year. Let's see if
00:38:34
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe. Or I'm just fucking wrong. That could be it too.
00:38:39
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, let's go through the rest of these, um the rest of these match results. Caden Henschel beat Keelan Jimison, AKA Muggsy bowl junk, teched him 11 to one in 30 seconds.
00:38:52
Cokeley Brothers
So the people didn't need to see any more of that than they needed to see.
00:38:56
Reese
In 31 seconds, you said?
00:38:58
Cokeley Brothers
Oh no, no, it was in the third period. That's my bad. Third period, 30 seconds.
00:39:03
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, they do two minutes, two minute period, three, two minute periods.
00:39:07
Ryne
I guess I didn't realize that.
00:39:08
Reese
Okay. So, he he, in the second second time they wrestled Burrows and Sitikoff, he was sliding back and kind of on his knees up until he got to the very edge.
00:39:09
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know why they do that.
00:39:20
Reese
Sitikoff got him up to his feet.
00:39:23
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Interesting. um So I'm just wrong what is what the deal is. Yep. Yes. Confirmed. um
00:39:33
Cokeley Brothers
Helen Maroulis beat Samantha Stewart 6-0.
00:39:34
Reese
lost Of course he is.
00:39:37
Cokeley Brothers
Um, Austin DeSanto beat Nico Megalutis, 10-0. Nathan Tomasello beat Matt Ramos for the second time, 5-3. ah Sal Kazanov beat James Green 4-4. And this is something I want to stop and talk about for a second.
00:39:55
Cokeley Brothers
I think James Green, I think James Green is a real thing at 74 kilograms.
00:40:04
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Yeah, but like better at 74 than he is at 70.
00:40:11
Ryne
Maybe. Yeah, I need more data to agree with you there.
00:40:16
Cokeley Brothers
i just I remember him working his way up to 74 for 2020 and then deciding last minute to get back down to 65. Well, when they delayed it, not so last minute. But I think his body does better at 74, especially now.
00:40:33
Cokeley Brothers
and I think the people were like, oh man, this is a washed world medalist for you the US wrestling. One of the better guys at 74 kilos. This is going to be a ah ah nightmare.
00:40:46
Cokeley Brothers
It was four to four.
00:40:50
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, not bad.
00:40:52
Reese
So he, did he win he lost?
00:40:55
Cokeley Brothers
He lost on criteria.
00:40:56
Cokeley Brothers
There's a criteria loss, but I still think it's a notable result.
00:41:03
Cokeley Brothers
And a...
00:41:04
Cokeley Brothers
ah a good sign for James green at 74 kilos. And he said something to the effect of love, you know, was great to get to wrestle up at this weight. This is where I'll be staying. 74 kilograms is my home,
00:41:22
Cokeley Brothers
which I love to see also at that weight. David Carr, um, teched, uh, Hussein from Egypt, 18 six.
00:41:35
Cokeley Brothers
Again, Nate Jackson beat Carter Starachi We love that. Kyle Dake beat Boris McCoy of seven to one Jake Varner beat Pat Downey And Mason Paris teched Alexander Romanov 10-0.
00:41:49
Cokeley Brothers
So two of these matches were title defenses. Or no, title bouts. One was a title defense. David Carr wrestled for the 165-pound title Which is interesting.
00:42:04
Cokeley Brothers
Was that... Did somebody vacate that weight or something?
00:42:11
Cokeley Brothers
Now I have to look.
00:42:12
Reese
Heck if I know wasn't NATO, the title defense.
00:42:17
Cokeley Brothers
ah Nathan Tomasella was the title defense. David Carr wrestled at welterweight.
00:42:23
Cokeley Brothers
Was there a welterweight at RAF01?
00:42:27
Cokeley Brothers
No, there was not.
00:42:30
Cokeley Brothers
There you go. um Yes. So there were two title bouts.
00:42:38
Cokeley Brothers
um Let me look up. And they've also announced Real American Freestyle 3.
00:42:46
Cokeley Brothers
It's going to be in Chicago. There have been two and a half matches announced. announced The first is...
00:42:58
Cokeley Brothers
Michael Chandler first Chad Mendes.
00:43:05
Ryne
Yeah. They both are NCAA All-Americans.
00:43:06
Cokeley Brothers
Who's Chad Mendes?
00:43:09
Ryne
Chad Mendes was an All-American for Cal Poly, I believe. And Michael Chandler for Missouri?
00:43:16
Cokeley Brothers
What years?
00:43:18
Ryne
Mendes, I want to say, it was like 2008, 2009, maybe.
00:43:22
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Okay.
00:43:22
Reese
Chandler was like right after, right after asking was there, it was like oh six or seven or something or no, no, like Oh eight.
00:43:33
Cokeley Brothers
Now, uh, yeah, he wrestled for Cal Poly.
00:43:34
Ryne
They're around the same.
00:43:37
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, he was an all American at 125 and then 141 as a senior. So two time all American.
00:43:46
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, he took second at 2008 and at 141 lost to Jay Jaggers.
00:43:52
Ryne
i Yeah, I remember that match. I remember sitting by this old lady who was like, come on, Mendez.
00:43:58
Ryne
You can do it. And I was like, no.
00:44:00
Cokeley Brothers
Where were you, Ryan?
00:44:00
Reese
And then he got jaggered.
00:44:00
Cokeley Brothers
Wait, what, what, what location?
00:44:06
Cokeley Brothers
Yes, sir. Man, look at that memory.
00:44:10
Cokeley Brothers
17 years ago.
00:44:11
Ryne
That was my very first one.
00:44:14
Cokeley Brothers
I don't remember where my very first one was. I want to say St. Louis, but maybe not.
00:44:20
Ryne
Do you remember what year?
00:44:20
Cokeley Brothers
ah So that was the first match.
00:44:22
Ryne
you remember what year, Sammy?
00:44:23
Ryne
Do you remember what year?
00:44:23
Cokeley Brothers
No, I have no idea. I don't.
00:44:25
Reese
How are you? What? What's wrong with you?
00:44:27
Ryne
Wow. That's shocking.
00:44:31
Cokeley Brothers
Because i don't know.
00:44:34
Ryne
Which one was your first one?
00:44:37
Ryne
So Sammy's sey's samy's
00:44:37
Reese
I remember it cause it was awesome.
00:44:42
Ryne
first one had to have been shortly after that.
00:44:46
Reese
I mean, 2013, where you in Des Moines?
00:44:47
Cokeley Brothers
I think it was 2013.
00:44:50
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, because then I had to, I was there for like the first two sessions and then I had to go back for sub-districts.
00:44:51
Ryne
But Dad, but thats that's right. Dad took him for sub-districts. That's right. I remember that.
00:44:57
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:58
Ryne
That was your first one.
00:44:59
Reese
Des Moines was less memorable.
00:44:59
Cokeley Brothers
I have a photo with Dan Gable.
00:45:03
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I remember seeing, um remember seeing a lightweight for Cornell, like, wow, that guy's pretty good.
00:45:07
Cokeley Brothers
And I found out who it was and shot me here.
00:45:08
Ryne
Less memorable, Reese? We sat in the in the governor of Iowa's box and watched ah Kyle Dake beat David Taylor.
00:45:16
Reese
Okay, that was the year that happened. But I just meant like the experience outside of the wrestling.
00:45:24
Reese
Louis experience outside of the arena was a lot of fun.
00:45:29
Ryne
Dude, yeah. you I mean, man. And then it just died. One year, it was back in St.
00:45:33
Reese
Dude, I know like my...
00:45:34
Ryne
Louis, and it was just not the same anymore.
00:45:37
Reese
That was like the bar was like sky high. That was like my first experience when i was like, wow, St. Louis is amazing. Like that, that ah mall was awesome.
00:45:45
Ryne
And it was like, it was like that. Yeah. And it was like that. And and honestly, 2012 might've been the last year that it was ever like that.
00:45:52
Reese
That's what it felt like because they definitely didn't have
00:45:53
Ryne
Cause it was like that. It was like that in 2008. And then again in 2000 and I think 10 was the next time it was there. Maybe. 10, not 11, 10. ten
00:46:05
Cokeley Brothers
Interesting. um
00:46:10
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, so the second match that was announced for Real American um real american Freestyle, because they said when they announced the location a week or two ago that Bo Bassett going to be on the card, and he's wrestling Darian Caldwell.
00:46:24
Ryne
I know. i I mean, I despise it with all my heart.
00:46:28
Cokeley Brothers
And I put it out there. Darian Caldwell won his NCAA title in 2009. Bo Bassett was three. Okay.
00:46:36
Ryne
That's not even the stat to talk about, really, although it is an interesting stat.
00:46:41
Ryne
The real stat to talk about is the fact that Darian Caldwell hasn't run won a wrestling match in ages. How old was Bo Bassett the last time Darian Caldwell won a wrestling match?
00:46:54
Reese
I bet he was seven. I bet. Yeah. yeah i mean, when was it? When was last time he went at 2013?
00:47:04
Ryne
What a win one match at Midlands, then get pinned by Ryland Lubeck and then injury default from the tournament.
00:47:05
Cokeley Brothers
I'm going to pull it up.
00:47:12
Cokeley Brothers
This is m MMA.
00:47:15
Reese
Well, so his senior year was what 2011?
00:47:15
Cokeley Brothers
This is freestyle. 2012 U.S. Olympic team trials. He beat Jacob Wadley.
00:47:23
Cokeley Brothers
so but would have been six.
00:47:25
Reese
So was his last win.
00:47:25
Ryne
The, where was that?
00:47:28
Cokeley Brothers
2012 U.S. Olympic team trials.
00:47:29
Ryne
There's, he didn't even qualify for team trials in 2012. So that,
00:47:33
Cokeley Brothers
I am telling you what I am looking at.
00:47:37
Ryne
Huh, that can't be right.
00:47:40
Cokeley Brothers
And then he...
00:47:40
Reese
Is he, he didn't qualify at the last chance. Is that why you said goes he was, he was at last chance.
00:47:45
Cokeley Brothers
This... Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
00:47:46
Ryne
He got beat by Surtzitz and then he got beat by someone else.
00:47:49
Cokeley Brothers
I think this is the last chance because it says he lost to Jason Sertzitz and Dustin McCauley.
00:47:54
Ryne
Oh, he did get beat by Destin.
00:47:58
Ryne
So he got beat by a high schooler and a like kid who had only been out of high school for one year.
00:47:58
Cokeley Brothers
So he's going to be...
00:48:04
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, so this is going to be his second loss to a high schooler. It's going to be against high schoolers.
00:48:16
Ryne
I was really thinking they were going to give him like, I was hoping like, I don't know, give him a rematch against um Princeton kid Kolodzic for crying out loud.
00:48:27
Cokeley Brothers
you beat the brakes off of Kolodzic.
00:48:29
Reese
Oh, no. bow yeah. You think Bo would beat the brakes off closet closet kind of handled them.
High School vs. Veteran Wrestling Showdown
00:48:35
Ryne
Yeah, but that was how many years ago?
00:48:35
Reese
yeah but But what what has Bo really done to like make you think that
00:48:41
Cokeley Brothers
matured gotten bigger.
00:48:42
Reese
I guess I mean, oh, smashed Ash. No, like that's right before that.
00:48:42
Ryne
It's not what it's, it's, it's none no, no, no, let me, Hey, stop, stop.
00:48:48
Ryne
It's not what has Bo done. It's what Kalozic hasn't been doing.
00:48:53
Reese
Sure, he has been wrestling. It's a good point.
00:48:56
Cokeley Brothers
He's been working in that private equity.
00:48:59
Ryne
Making, making robots engineering.
00:49:00
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe I don't know what his job is, but
00:49:02
Reese
Megan bots. He's probably flooding flooding. Social media with bots.
00:49:12
Cokeley Brothers
I said private equity. Why are you guys talking about bots?
00:49:13
Reese
He's probably he's he's
00:49:16
Ryne
Isn't he an engineer?
00:49:18
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. Maybe he could be whatever he is. He's smart.
00:49:23
Reese
he's moving the political needle with bots.
00:49:23
Cokeley Brothers
um Okay. It's crazy that Darren Caldwell has wins over Doug Schwab and Josh Turella.
00:49:35
Reese
He was good, like in in ancient times.
00:49:36
Ryne
He was until he got hurt in his roller skating.
00:49:36
Cokeley Brothers
He was good. 16 years ago.
00:49:42
Cokeley Brothers
Ryan, we can't really hear you.
00:49:44
Ryne
I said he was good up until his roller skating accident.
00:49:49
Reese
Roller's game, dude.
00:49:50
Cokeley Brothers
um And then the third the third match that has been half announced, not officially, but it's it's a rumor from a semi-reliable source, I'm pretty sure, um is
00:50:02
Cokeley Brothers
Austin Gomez versus Austin O'Connor.
00:50:07
Reese
Who? Austin Gomez versus O'Connor?
00:50:07
Cokeley Brothers
Good for Chicago.
00:50:10
Reese
Dude, that's awesome.
00:50:12
Reese
they when Have they wrestled before?
00:50:16
Reese
i bet they wrestled in high school.
00:50:16
Cokeley Brothers
I don't think so.
00:50:20
Cokeley Brothers
No, Gomez was smaller.
00:50:24
Ryne
Yeah, I don't think they've ever wrestled before.
00:50:28
Ryne
Maybe. You might be right, Reese.
00:50:29
Cokeley Brothers
I'll ask. I'll ask around. It
00:50:33
Reese
Well, so I tried to get on track wrestling today and send me right to flow.
00:50:37
Cokeley Brothers
and redirected you? Yep. Welcome to hell.
00:50:40
Reese
So can I can I look up past past brackets?
00:50:45
Cokeley Brothers
Yes. Yeah.
00:50:48
Reese
I didn't even try because my phone wouldn't even load the page.
00:50:49
Cokeley Brothers
But but Reese Reese, I want you to know. Yeah, your phone definitely won't. Your phone will say your phone will try your phone.
00:50:58
Cokeley Brothers
Your phone will say I'm going to self-destruct in 30 seconds unless you get me out of here.
00:51:03
Reese
and Please, no more.
00:51:06
Cokeley Brothers
The future is here and it is not good. Bracketing is.
00:51:08
Ryne
for those of you For those of you that don't know, Reese is still running an iPhone 4.
00:51:14
Cokeley Brothers
It's of six, I think.
00:51:14
Reese
It's a 6S. It's a 6S, and it's awesome, and you are jealous of my 6S.
00:51:23
Cokeley Brothers
i I admire it, but it's tough.
00:51:26
Ryne
I thought it was an, I honestly, for real, thought it was an eight.
00:51:29
Ryne
I was i was just saying, i he was like divided by two just to be funny. And then you were like, it's a six ass. Six ass
00:51:37
Reese
Freakin eight eights are for losers. got a six.
00:51:42
Cokeley Brothers
um And the a thing that is confusing to me
00:51:43
Ryne
a 17. six s to a seventeen It's going to be awesome.
00:51:47
Cokeley Brothers
A thing that is confusing to me, and you know what? This, I think, is not a reliable thing to look at. Real American Freestyle, on their website, they they put up the cards for the ah for the upcoming event.
00:52:01
Cokeley Brothers
So it ah it lists Chad Mendes versus Michael Chandler as the championship match for middleweight, which is 175, which is the weight that Evan Wick currently has the belt at.
00:52:12
Ryne
Yeah, there's still they're still working out some kink, Sammy.
00:52:12
Cokeley Brothers
So I'm confused.
00:52:15
Cokeley Brothers
they're They're working out having a... a I'm to be rude. ah dumb a site developer. Site maintainer.
00:52:24
Reese
We talking about RF. Why
00:52:30
Cokeley Brothers
Their social media game and and just in general news cycle is... it could it could use some polish.
00:52:43
Reese
don't you hit him up? Let him know.
00:52:48
Cokeley Brothers
I might.
00:52:49
Reese
Tell him how it is. You say, look at my account.
00:52:51
Cokeley Brothers
I might.
00:52:52
Reese
Look, look at the things I'm doing.
00:52:55
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, look at how great my stuff looks.
00:52:59
Cokeley Brothers
Look at how great of but of a front-end developer I am.
00:52:59
Reese
Now, look at yours.
00:53:04
Cokeley Brothers
But that's Real American Freestyle.
00:53:06
Cokeley Brothers
I quickly want to just mention, I'll do a later video on my own that goes more in-depth for the upcoming week of... college wrestling, but I just wanna cover real quick um what we have coming up because wrestling starts in four days. The the first event is on October 31st.
00:53:27
Cokeley Brothers
it's I'm pretty sure it's Cal Poly versus Purdue. pretty sure that's the first duel that we have of the year, if I am not mistaken. ah If I'm scrolling through here, that's what I see.
00:53:41
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. That is what I see. But other things to mention, there's also the... I mean, there's going to be a pretty healthy selection of duels for you to look at.
00:53:53
Cokeley Brothers
But the Navy Classic is going to be happening. um That's obviously hosted by Navy. It's going to have a handful of teams there that are pretty solid. Like ah Pittsburgh's going to be there.
00:54:05
Cokeley Brothers
I believe no Nebraska attends it. Yeah. yeah There's going to be a good number of teams that that that are pretty solid. The Southeast Open is also going to be happening and the Clarion Open.
00:54:18
Cokeley Brothers
solid Solid group of teams go to that. Some other Division one teams are going having non-dualal non-Division I duels like Missouri and Chattanooga. um yeah This is going to be a a good week.
00:54:31
Cokeley Brothers
However, the real action happens the following week, which...
00:54:33
Ryne
In Rochester, Minnesota.
00:54:38
Ryne
That's where I'll be. Sorry.
00:54:41
Cokeley Brothers
Why? Is that junior college?
00:54:42
Ryne
That's where my where my team will be wrestling.
00:54:43
Reese
Don't piss Sammy off like that.
00:54:45
Ryne
That's where my team will be wrestling.
00:54:47
Cokeley Brothers
Fucking cut me off for that.
00:54:50
Cokeley Brothers
you stop You stop me for that?
00:54:54
Reese
Miss him with that shit.
00:54:56
Cokeley Brothers
While on your phone.
00:54:57
Reese
All on your phone. Not even paying attention.
00:54:59
Cokeley Brothers
No, then the, the, the real action starts next week.
00:55:00
Ryne
I am paying attention.
00:55:04
Cokeley Brothers
One of the, one of the biggest duels prior to really the national duels invitational is going to be Stanford versus Oklahoma state. There's I think five or maybe even six matches in that duel that are going to be pretty awesome and pretty telling for the season.
00:55:20
Cokeley Brothers
So I'm looking forward to that. Um, Princeton Open is also happening this week. And I think that might be it in terms of tournaments, which that's a good number of tournaments.
00:55:30
Cokeley Brothers
Navy Classic, Southeast Open, Princeton Open.
00:55:35
Cokeley Brothers
The Yellow Jacket Open.
00:55:37
Ryne
Yeah, in Rochester, Minnesota.
00:55:40
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, that's that's next weekend, isn't it? Oh, that's this weekend.
00:55:42
Ryne
That's this weekend.
00:55:42
Reese
So when is how many weeks away are we from national duels?
00:55:48
Cokeley Brothers
Three. It's 15th.
00:55:50
Cokeley Brothers
fifteenth
00:55:51
Reese
So are we... do Do you want to go, though?
00:55:55
Cokeley Brothers
I do, of course.
00:55:58
Cokeley Brothers
I'm sick of traveling, but I'll do it.
00:56:00
Reese
Ryan, you want to go?
00:56:02
Cokeley Brothers
Ryan will be at the Yellow Jacket Open.
00:56:04
Ryne
i'll beit That weekend, I'll be at Grandview.
00:56:06
Cokeley Brothers
I'll have dumped his body off a dumpster for interrupting me.
00:56:12
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, okay.
00:56:12
Reese
Prom night dumpster, Ryan.
00:56:14
Cokeley Brothers
Prom night dumpster, baby.
00:56:18
Reese
Oh, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:56:20
Cokeley Brothers
And then, yeah there's just
00:56:20
Reese
And I'm taking a stroll.
00:56:24
Cokeley Brothers
I'm going to share this spreadsheet with you guys.
00:56:38
Cokeley Brothers
I'm going to share this spreadsheet with you guys. um Fantasy College Wrestling. I think they always do it, but this year they made a ah a master schedule and it's super awesome and super useful for looking at it what happens.
00:56:53
Cokeley Brothers
ah It's just a Google sheet.
00:56:56
Ryne
When are we going to do a league?
00:57:01
Ryne
Should start our own league and we should make it a dynasty league.
00:57:06
Reese
What does that mean? Like, like, that it just carries on?
00:57:07
Cokeley Brothers
Where the teams carry over.
00:57:11
Cokeley Brothers
ah Would it just be the three of us? We need more people.
00:57:14
Ryne
No, obviously we would invite more people, but
00:57:17
Cokeley Brothers
Like who?
00:57:20
Reese
David Taylor, Willie sailor, just the boys, you know, just the homies, the day ones.
00:57:20
Cokeley Brothers
The four Hayes boys?
00:57:25
Cokeley Brothers
Christian Piles.
00:57:30
Cokeley Brothers
I want. to
00:57:34
Cokeley Brothers
I want Chad Richardson in my league.
00:57:38
Cokeley Brothers
Chad, $2 million. dollars i win this week.
00:57:41
Reese
I want Kurt signetti in my, in on my.
00:57:43
Cokeley Brothers
Chad, give Indy... Endow Indiana if I beat you this season.
00:57:50
Ryne
Yeah, yeah, endow them.
00:57:55
Cokeley Brothers
Chad, won't you endow me?
00:57:58
Ryne
Endow him real good.
00:58:00
Cokeley Brothers
Chad, I need to be endowed.
00:58:03
Reese
Just lay it on him.
00:58:05
Cokeley Brothers
All right. Anything else?
00:58:08
Ryne
um Matthew Kolodzik is going to become a doctor.
00:58:14
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, yeah, he needs to keep he needs to keep his brain healthy then.
00:58:15
Reese
we were We were way out.
00:58:19
Ryne
Well, we weren't way off. He did do like some engineering. I'm looking at his LinkedIn right now. So
00:58:24
Cokeley Brothers
Some some bodily engineering.
00:58:24
Reese
You think he's, you think he's specializing in nanobots nanobot technology?
00:58:29
Ryne
may add I don't know. He was a medical assistantent ah medical assistant in December 22 to December 23 the Princeton Brain, Spine and Sports Medicine.
00:58:42
Reese
Oh yeah. Nanobots dude. He's working on nanobots.
00:58:46
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, regardless, Ryan, thanks for.
00:58:47
Ryne
Most recent experience CST post baccalaureate student basic core health sciences at temple university for one year and one month.
00:58:56
Cokeley Brothers
thank Thanks for looking all that up. I'll be on your freaking phone the whole time.
00:59:00
Ryne
i I actually was looking at football score. i was getting updated on that on my phone. I was looking at Matthew Kladzik stuff on the computer. So suck it.
00:59:12
Cokeley Brothers
to seven.
00:59:18
Cokeley Brothers
All right. If you guys got nothing, I got nothing. All I have is.
00:59:32
Reese
You want to talk some. Ah, nevermind.
00:59:35
Reese
I was going to talk about, i was going to talk about.
00:59:35
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
00:59:36
Cokeley Brothers
Have a good day, listeners.
00:59:37
Reese
Oh yeah. Forget it.
00:59:40
Cokeley Brothers
All right. Goodbye.