Introduction and Episode Overview
00:00:01
Cokeley Brothers
Welcome back to another episode of the barn session, everybody. it is a two-man show tonight.
Live Shows and Call Management
00:00:08
Cokeley Brothers
you know You know what I was thinking about, Reese? You know what thinking about?
00:00:14
Cokeley Brothers
We should start doing these live.
00:00:19
Reese
Yeah. How would we do that?
00:00:20
Cokeley Brothers
Never mind. Never mind.
00:00:21
Reese
Should we do collars?
00:00:21
Cokeley Brothers
After that sound, i don't I don't want to do it live.
00:00:23
Reese
I was getting rid of my gum because you told me no more gum.
00:00:28
Cokeley Brothers
No more gum. Uh... don't Don't worry about the how. I'll handle the how. Just, what do you think?
00:00:37
Reese
I think that's a great idea and I would love to have Collins. I would love Collins. I would love it.
00:00:42
Cokeley Brothers
ah I don't think.
00:00:43
Reese
I think that would be amazing.
00:00:45
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. We can have a deeper conversation about that. Well, folks, we might do we might start doing these live. I don't know. We'll see. Everybody else does them live. Why shouldn't we?
Wrestling Watching Commitments
00:00:56
Cokeley Brothers
ah But outside of that, there was a pretty loaded slate of wrestling that went down this weekend, and I didn't watch a whole lot of it.
00:01:06
Cokeley Brothers
Too busy in love, spending time, it
Binghamton vs. Cornell Wrestling
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Cokeley Brothers
being in love. And so, Reese, you're going to have to do a lot of driving.
00:01:17
Reese
I'm unloved, so I watched all of the wrestling this weekend um from Ohio State and Penn State all the way to
00:01:23
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. All right.
00:01:28
Reese
um Binghamton versus Chattanooga.
00:01:33
Cokeley Brothers
Did you?
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Cokeley Brothers
Now Binghamton wrestled Cornell and that's it.
00:01:42
Reese
right. Binghamton Cornell.
00:01:44
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, Cornell Chattanooga, same, same. It's all the same.
00:01:46
Reese
All of it. I watched it all and um it was it was okay. It was an okay weekend. it wasn It wasn't... I mean, there were some good matches, obviously, but I think we should start with the most recent one.
00:01:57
Cokeley Brothers
For sure, for sure.
00:02:02
Reese
Jax Seidel. The match happened. So what was the deal with...
00:02:04
Cokeley Brothers
Oh yeah.
00:02:05
Reese
like I mean, I'm a little lost on like why did when was it decided that Jax was... I mean, does anybody really know when Jax... Like, because wasn't Jack supposed to go wrestle out of tournament and get more matches?
00:02:19
Cokeley Brothers
So the, what was reportedly happening is Jack's forest was going to go wrestle at an open tournament to get more matches for RPI.
00:02:30
Cokeley Brothers
But then that didn't happen.
00:02:30
Reese
Yeah. but We don't know why.
00:02:34
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, may I don't know. I don't even i don't even know what opening would have wrestled that. I'm assuming maybe they were looking at the entries and they're like, there's not even enough guys who are RPI eligible. So like,
00:02:44
Reese
maybe that Maybe that's what happened.
00:02:47
Cokeley Brothers
Or they were just like, you know what? Do we need RPI to win this thing? Do we really need it?
00:02:52
Reese
m I mean, maybe they were like, ah what if we lose? Which they very well would have lost. No way. Did Mullen? I can't remember. Did Mullen win?
00:03:03
Cokeley Brothers
ah No, Jimmy Mullen did not win. It was 19 to 12, but that's a seven point difference, which Seidel could have gotten bonus for sure.
00:03:09
Reese
And Cybele could have gotten bonus. Probably would have gotten bonus. Let's be real. it's
00:03:17
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, the dude is.
00:03:17
Reese
He looks really freaking good.
00:03:20
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. So yeah, let's dig into that match,
Aaron Seidel vs. Jax Forrest Analysis
00:03:23
Cokeley Brothers
dude. Three takedowns to one in favor of Seidel, but ah Troy, well, Flo has it saying Troy Spratley beat Aaron Seidel, but Jax Forrest beat Aaron Seidel.
00:03:35
Cokeley Brothers
And 10 to nine got a, well, it got three escapes, one takedown and four near fall.
00:03:42
Cokeley Brothers
And that's, that's all it took.
00:03:43
Reese
twenty club Did you see did you see like the takedown sequence where he got the back points?
00:03:49
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, so I was listening to the play-by-play, but I did go back and watch it. ah
00:03:52
Reese
Oh, you watched my whole thing.
00:03:55
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, it felt like a, i don't know, maybe a lapse in side...
00:04:00
Reese
I just was like, how did he get that? How did he do that? What even was that?
00:04:03
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. And it felt like on some of those takedowns for Seidel, it felt like there was definitely an opportunity for Seidel to keep Jax on his back and get near fall.
00:04:15
Cokeley Brothers
And Jax found a way to get off his back and
00:04:19
Cokeley Brothers
he's rubbery. He's, he's got.
00:04:21
Reese
That first take down, that was like, that was pretty like rookie mistake by Jax.
00:04:29
Reese
Reaching up, fifth least what are you doing?
00:04:29
Cokeley Brothers
I, I, I think, I think we could see Jack's clean it up a little bit, but man,
00:04:37
Reese
Yeah. But those, those two takedowns that Seidel had on them were nice.
Seidel's Style and Potential
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Reese
The second and third ones.
00:04:45
Cokeley Brothers
seeing Seeing somebody take Jax down three times like that, you can't help but feel like he's capable of doing that against everybody else.
00:04:55
Reese
And the dude is like, he's got that, he's got that crab half down and he's like, that's it. That's nice. You know? And I've been waiting, I've been dying to see somebody with a good tight waist half.
00:05:09
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, clingy.
00:05:09
Reese
Crab ride. I love that.
00:05:10
Cokeley Brothers
So clingy.
00:05:13
Cokeley Brothers
I... I really cannot believe he didn't find a way to turn him. He was riding tough, but both picked neutral. Yeah, an awesome match.
00:05:25
Cokeley Brothers
I don't, I don't feel, i don't feel confident in Jax after the match though.
00:05:36
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, who did you feel like was the better wrestler?
00:05:41
Reese
i don't know, dude. I think that was like a total coin flip.
00:05:42
Cokeley Brothers
It's pretty even.
00:05:46
Cokeley Brothers
it's pretty even, but like going into the match going, going into the match.
00:05:46
Reese
And yeah, Jax is kind of a winner to me.
00:05:52
Cokeley Brothers
I was, I guess I was expecting Jax to like show a little bit of separation maybe, but i mean, he needed some.
00:05:59
Reese
I mean, obviously, dollars yeah I know. I think Jax has benefited from better training throughout high school. And inside out now, Seidel is in an environment where he's getting better training.
00:06:12
Reese
And maybe he's finally jumped a level.
00:06:13
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:15
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, and ah ah something that got brought up is the fact that Jax has only been in a college room for a month. i don't like Officially, yeah, but i mean he's been training with the league guys since like his sophomore year of high school.
00:06:27
Cokeley Brothers
So I don't think the effect is going to have quite as much.
00:06:31
Cokeley Brothers
But i mean yes, he does have. He has another month before...
00:06:34
Reese
He was also going to Oklahoma State like well before he officially moved there.
00:06:38
Cokeley Brothers
Right. He was going down there with, with Zoe and fix and, uh, now he's there full time. So yes, there's definitely some improvements to be made over the next half month and and one month until NCAAs. But man, I mean, yeah, this, this group of freshmen, those two side Ellen and forest with the Vino and blaze.
00:07:01
Cokeley Brothers
And then you just tack on the the two seniors, Bert, Bert, Bert and Iola. And then everybody else at one 33 is
Wrestlers and Weight Class Decisions
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Cokeley Brothers
going to be a good weight.
00:07:09
Reese
So good. I haven't been, I mean, this is about as excited as I've been for a weight and maybe ever. And it's like mostly freshmen, which is, that's the craziest part. I mean, how many will stay at 133?
00:07:21
Reese
Who knows? Probably, probably most of them I would say. Well, I don't know.
00:07:25
Reese
Maybe not. Yeah. Blaze, maybe an not either. I don't know.
00:07:25
Cokeley Brothers
I don't think Forest is going to stay.
00:07:31
Cokeley Brothers
ah Blaze might have to. ah He'd go up to 41.
00:07:34
Cokeley Brothers
Give Ono 33.
00:07:35
Reese
I think Blaze is probably like...
00:07:37
Reese
He can go wherever he wants, probably.
00:07:41
Cokeley Brothers
yeah probably. He's probably got ah an edge on Ono.
00:07:45
Reese
Oh. Yeah, I forgot it
00:07:47
Cokeley Brothers
but like even still, I think he's got an edge on a guy like, Oh no.
00:07:51
Reese
about him. Oh, there's a little dude. He's a little dude.
00:07:54
Cokeley Brothers
He, yeah. Like he's definitely more of a 33 than he has a 41. Um, and like, I, I really don't think on I know scoring is as strong in folk style as it, as it is in freestyle,
00:08:06
Reese
Probably not. Probably not.
00:08:08
Cokeley Brothers
but we'll see.
00:08:12
Cokeley Brothers
um But yeah, the match before that, Ventresca beat Troy Spratley in a very 125 match.
00:08:20
Reese
Why is 125 so buns?
State of the 125 Weight Class
00:08:25
Cokeley Brothers
I think all the guys just know how to wrestle each other, and they are trying to win chess matches rather than...
00:08:30
Reese
what you're saying is nuke the way, just nuke it.
00:08:34
Reese
and get a fresh batch of
00:08:37
Cokeley Brothers
You just need somebody you need somebody to come in and throw a stone and really really shake shake things up
00:08:44
Reese
I mean, because it's brutal.
00:08:44
Cokeley Brothers
You need a Spencer Lee. Yeah.
00:08:46
Reese
It is brutal. I mean, why do guys like Spratly, who I feel like Spratly is kind of like probably a notch better than a lot of the guys. Why do you, why would you, I mean, like Ventresca is tough to score on, obviously, but just letting it go to those right outs, not That thing, hate those writeouts so much.
00:09:07
Reese
I hate those writeouts.
00:09:07
Cokeley Brothers
theyre I think they're becoming a problem. There's a couple of things that are very clearly becoming problematic for the sport at the college level. Rideouts, reaction time, stalling, those are three things that definitely jump out to me.
00:09:22
Cokeley Brothers
And stalling, I thought, was going to be a huge issue by the end of the season. It's kind of fallen, taken a little bit of a backseat to reaction time, which is all refs seemingly are completely changing their definition of what that is.
00:09:34
Cokeley Brothers
And I don't know why, but
00:09:36
Reese
Yeah, there was a match in that duel where there, yeah, there was a big call. There was like a call where it was like, what match was that? I think it was maybe Sasso.
00:09:47
Reese
Sasso and who's there? Oh, Merrill. I can't remember who. I think Merrill had takedown.
00:09:53
Reese
I can't remember who challenged, but it was like one of those situations where, don't know, he had the takedown the guy just got to stand up. Ah. Man, I got to really – I can't remember if it was that match or not.
00:10:05
Reese
But, yeah, it was a situation where, like, fully behind him and, like, yeah, they're giving guys, a um ah like, a whole, like – Like, enough time to react to a guy.
00:10:17
Reese
This guy spun behind me. I'm on all fours. And they're giving me enough time to react to, like, hit a stand up to my feet and, like, clear out or whatever. i don't know. It feels –
00:10:29
Reese
Feels weird, but I don't know I don't know how i feel about it. i'm like I'm not as, I don't think I'm as upset about it as a lot of other people are, but I don't know
00:10:39
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. um And Sasso won that match against Cody Merrill. That's ah that's a big win for him.
00:10:46
Cokeley Brothers
a little surprising that this dual Oklahoma state, Virginia tech, 19 to 12. This is close. Now, Oklahoma state did have backup in at one 49 with Bo Hickman and a backup in at one 84 with Trevor Dobbs. But I mean, i don't even know if, I don't know if Zach Ryder is going to be,
00:11:01
Cokeley Brothers
ah capable in March.
00:11:05
Reese
Dude, it was interesting listening to the the guy, Rock Harrison. I can never remember the other dude's name, but he's the man.
00:11:12
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. He's really good. He's, I can't remember his name though.
00:11:16
Reese
They were talking about Trevor Dobbs having a conversation with David Taylor about what way he could go that would, you know, where he could potentially like be a starter. And he was like, go 184. And I don't know. They were just talking about it casually, but in my mind, I was thinking, interesting.
00:11:34
Reese
That tells me that David Taylor does not have as much faith in Zack Ryder and, you know, company or whoever as like I would have thought he he would, you know?
00:11:46
Cokeley Brothers
Well, yeah. but So there's some guys that are off the Oklahoma State roster. It's Braden Thompson and somebody else, right?
00:11:55
Cokeley Brothers
Is it Jersey Robb?
00:11:57
Cokeley Brothers
I think a third person as well.
00:12:00
Cokeley Brothers
Person whose name I did not recognize quite so much. ah So that kind of leaves like if Zack Ryder does fall through, which he's had shoulder issues in the past, I'm pretty sure. um Yeah, this, this, yeah, that makes sense. That tracks.
00:12:16
Reese
Yeah, I wonder if that, I mean, go ahead.
00:12:16
Cokeley Brothers
um At least give yourself.
00:12:20
Cokeley Brothers
Well, like if there's nobody else at the weight other than Zack Ryder, then you're automatically the second string.
00:12:26
Reese
Yeah, I guess so. I wonder if that conversation was prior to or after Ryder got hurt.
00:12:33
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I don't know.
00:12:35
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know. But I mean, you know, Dops went out there and lost a 2-0 match to Jaden Bullock. becauses not That's not a bad result.
00:12:43
Cokeley Brothers
um So he could at least go out there and try to make some noise.
00:12:50
Cokeley Brothers
Kansas boy.
00:12:50
Reese
Have we talked about that He's a Kansas boy.
00:12:52
Cokeley Brothers
He's a Kansas boy. Goddard.
00:12:54
Reese
I mean, good how long – I swear to God, I feel like that dude – how long has he been in college?
00:12:54
Cokeley Brothers
We don't love him, but they represent.
00:13:00
Reese
I feel like he was – yeah, I feel like he was in high school.
00:13:01
Cokeley Brothers
It's been a while.
00:13:06
Reese
I mean, he was like – he graduated like 67 ago.
00:13:10
Cokeley Brothers
he He might have been a freshman when I was a senior. I think he was in Cade Lout's grade, which makes sense because Cade is also a senior this year. Yeah,
00:13:21
Cokeley Brothers
I think so.
00:13:24
Cokeley Brothers
But yeah, um other than that, I mean, Landon Robidoux had a close match, 3-2 match with Ethan Miller outside of that.
00:13:36
Reese
Miller, bro. He looked huge. Did you see him?
00:13:38
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, no, but I've seen him earlier this year.
00:13:39
Reese
no think why He looks big.
00:13:44
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:48
Reese
wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
00:13:50
Cokeley Brothers
think Wink, wink.
00:13:53
Cokeley Brothers
um Okay, let's put him on my watch.
00:13:54
Reese
Put him on my watch.
00:13:59
Cokeley Brothers
Where do you want to go? There's a couple other duels that i would I would like to take a look at, but drive for me.
00:14:04
Reese
And I'm just kidding. Of course I'm kidding. I would never say that about a Park Hill boy. Beck, if you're listening.
00:14:14
Cokeley Brothers
Hi, Beck, if you're listening.
00:14:16
Cokeley Brothers
miss Miss you.
00:14:17
Reese
Yeah. Back to the man.
00:14:19
Cokeley Brothers
ah Where do you want to go next? What duel? The big duel?
00:14:24
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
00:14:25
Reese
Truth be told, that's actually the only other duel I watched.
00:14:25
Cokeley Brothers
Let's take a look. Okay.
00:14:28
Reese
That's... Yeah. Well, actually, no, I watched...
00:14:30
Cokeley Brothers
there's There's still some...
00:14:32
Reese
What was after that duel? I watched that duel, too.
00:14:35
Cokeley Brothers
Iowa, Michigan?
00:14:37
Reese
I watched that whole duel, too. That was a good duel.
00:14:39
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. that why I want to talk about that one. Okay.
00:14:44
Cokeley Brothers
All right, big duel, probably one of the bigger duels of the year. Penn State, Ohio State.
00:14:52
Cokeley Brothers
Now, it could have been it could have been a spectacle. It was a little hampered by injuries for Ohio State, which is unfortunate. um Penn State wins 36-5, so an ass-beating.
00:15:06
Cokeley Brothers
so an ass beating um They didn't have Ohio State did not have Ethan Stiles at 149 or Brandon Cannon at 157 or um Carson Hartschel at 174. So missing three of their 10 guys and ah all of those matches are matches. Well, maybe not 149 so much, but 157 to 174. You definitely look as an Ohio State fan to say, this is where we can find an opportunity.
00:15:31
Cokeley Brothers
So that's unfortunate. But let me let's just start at 125. sudden victory win for Luke O'Dall. Honestly, I'm, i I'm content with that. If I'm an Ohio state fan,
00:15:45
Reese
Yeah, he went the distance.
00:15:48
Cokeley Brothers
that tells me that, that Bousakis will not fade in period two or three off a one hour way in.
00:15:55
Reese
Yeah, it would have been like watching him.
00:15:55
Cokeley Brothers
So give him a two hour way in.
00:16:00
Reese
I mean, there was a part of me that was worried that maybe he could like potentially get picked apart. And that didn't happen.
00:16:09
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. 100%. Uh, I look, Nick Bousakis has been a treat.
00:16:15
Reese
I don't really remember the match. Did he ever get to any like good attacks?
00:16:21
Cokeley Brothers
I'm going level with you Reese. I didn't see this duel. I was driving at the time of the duel.
00:16:25
Cokeley Brothers
So yeah.
00:16:25
Reese
I forgot. You already, you already announced that.
00:16:30
Reese
Yeah. I can't remember if that match was, they kind of just stood around or but but they probably just stood around if I don't remember the match.
00:16:38
Cokeley Brothers
Most likely, but you know, Luke Lillard all he's capable of opening up his ah offense and, and, and doing a lot more than what he's shown so far this season.
00:16:51
Cokeley Brothers
I, I mean, i guess maybe I'm just leaning too much into his freestyle accolades, but I don't know. That's my thought.
00:17:03
Reese
i don't want i don't want to think that he's that much better, but
00:17:03
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Okay.
High-Level Activity in 125 Weight Class
00:17:09
Reese
I don't know. He can be.
00:17:10
Cokeley Brothers
i Sometimes i gotta to remind myself colleges. It's just a different beast.
00:17:16
Reese
Yeah. Get sucked into the beast of it.
00:17:16
Cokeley Brothers
ah Yeah.
00:17:21
Cokeley Brothers
Yes. 100%.
00:17:22
Reese
Especially apparently at 125, which is you know, a weight you wouldn't think would be like that, but it is apparently.
00:17:23
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
00:17:29
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Willie, Willie sailor.
00:17:30
Reese
You sound salty. You see
00:17:31
Cokeley Brothers
went on a diatribe about it one time about how 125 used to be like the weight of weights because there was all this motion and high activity and high level wrestling because you have to be at like a technical mastermind to excel at that level at that weight.
00:17:45
Reese
um he's smell haty me?
00:17:49
Cokeley Brothers
What do you mean?
00:17:50
Reese
about the You sound like you don't buy it. You don't believe what he's you don't believe in what he's saying.
00:17:56
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, i look, i don't i don't have like I don't have doubts, but I think ah I'm a little too late to the scene to really say how things used to be like prior to Spencer Lee, really. like I saw some Thomas Gilman times, but that was really it.
00:18:12
Reese
those little dudes used to, I don't know, there there used to be a lot less standing around for sure.
00:18:18
Cokeley Brothers
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:18:19
Reese
I mean, it's just the truth. Matt McDonough was not standing around ever.
00:18:24
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah, there's a whole conversation that needs to be had about Iowa.
00:18:28
Reese
Nico Megalutis was not doing that shit.
00:18:32
Reese
Sean Garrett? No. No, sir.
00:18:35
Cokeley Brothers
Couldn't, couldn't, couldn't, he couldn't be found standing around.
00:18:38
Cokeley Brothers
It just doesn't work for him.
00:18:38
Reese
Impossible. Impossible.
00:18:40
Cokeley Brothers
No, not, it's not in his, in his, in his bones. 133. Marcus Blaze gets a reversal in tiebreakers to be Ben Dovino three to two. who who
00:18:55
Reese
Well, yeah, I mean, that was also just a terrible match, but whatever.
00:18:59
Cokeley Brothers
note No, so ah no, no. So I did record a preview for this duel.
00:19:04
Cokeley Brothers
ah But for some reason, the ah video just completely did something didn't work either way. ah What I said would happen in this duel ah was that um
00:19:19
Cokeley Brothers
neither of these two guys were going to try and win this match. with like the idea of the duel on the line. They were going to use this matchup as an opportunity to assess each other and themselves and the matchup to figure out what is going to work and and what has changed since the last time we wrestled.
00:19:38
Cokeley Brothers
It was going to be a chess match so that they could figure things out for big tens and for nationals. That was my, my estimation.
00:19:45
Reese
That would have been a good video.
00:19:51
Cokeley Brothers
But that's OK.
00:19:53
Reese
That's what happened.
00:19:54
Reese
Well, I mean, if that really, i mean, they barely did anything.
00:19:55
Cokeley Brothers
And yeah, that's that's exactly what happened.
00:20:00
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:01
Reese
it's hard I mean, dude, I i can't imagine wrestling Ben Dabino or Marcus Blaze for that matter. And like, I can't imagine wrestling them and feeling confident in like my ability to get through their head and their hands. So, I mean, I don't blame him.
00:20:17
Reese
I don't know what to say.
00:20:17
Cokeley Brothers
mean, they're very very defensively stout. Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:25
Reese
Hopefully, yeah, I don't know. I mean, Al got to Davino's leg that one time, he and he he had him taken down. he would if he had a little more time, he probably would have taken him down.
00:20:36
Reese
Has Davino taken down this season?
00:20:36
Cokeley Brothers
And and he. you know, I think so.
00:20:42
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe not.
00:20:46
Reese
using our I would have thought somebody would have mentioned him if he hadn't been taken down.
00:20:47
Cokeley Brothers
Maybe not.
00:20:51
Reese
or so if Either way, Mark's first win.
00:20:53
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
00:20:56
Cokeley Brothers
um Yeah. it's A lot of people are talking about these two guys and the other two guys from Virginia Tech and Oklahoma State. I'm telling you right now, there's something something stinks about this weight that like just tells me that an Iowa wrestler is going to win it.
00:21:20
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. I don't know, Reese.
00:21:22
Reese
there's only one eye on it.
00:21:22
Cokeley Brothers
Something about it smells like Drake Ayala is going to win the weight.
00:21:27
Reese
Interesting. So it's just like gut feeling.
00:21:28
Cokeley Brothers
i It is 100% like I feel it. I feel it in my bones.
00:21:38
Reese
Well, you know, i'm a pretty superstitious guy.
00:21:38
Cokeley Brothers
And look,
00:21:41
Reese
so that, i mean I'm sold, but I also
Iowa Wrestler's Prospects
00:21:46
Cokeley Brothers
I There's no, yeah. And, and you know, you know what Reese, I think a lot of people at the end of the year, he's going to win it and they're going to be like, that's a fraudulent champ.
00:21:57
Reese
think he's going to win it fraudulently.
00:21:59
Cokeley Brothers
But, but you know what we say? We say Iowa needs this.
00:22:04
Reese
Fraudulently like, you know, like a butt like a bus is going crash.
00:22:08
Cokeley Brothers
Like, ah no no no no no no no, no, nobody's getting a tire iron to the shin in the, in the tunnel race.
00:22:15
Reese
Oh, fraudulent anyway.
00:22:16
Cokeley Brothers
No, I'm saying like, I'm saying like Max Dean 2021 NCAA title 197 pounds.
00:22:26
Reese
You just threw him right out there, right over the bus.
00:22:30
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, I mean, we can, we can be real open and honest. That was one of the most insane series of events.
00:22:37
Reese
No bias there. No bias whatsoever.
00:22:39
Cokeley Brothers
ah Definitely bias. Won't even hide it. And you know what? I'm happy for him to have it.
00:22:45
Reese
I don't even remember the match.
00:22:47
Cokeley Brothers
No, no, no. Matches. Match. Plural.
00:22:50
Reese
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:22:51
Cokeley Brothers
Quarters and semis. And then he had Jacob Warner in the finals.
00:22:54
Reese
That was forever ago. Oh, yeah, Jacob Warner. That dude deserved to lose. No shade to Jacob Warner, but that dude was fucking, oh, my God, cancerous to watch.
00:23:04
Cokeley Brothers
Oh my goodness. Yeah. Well, we all have our opinions, right?
00:23:10
Cokeley Brothers
I didn't.
00:23:11
Cokeley Brothers
I think. I think.
00:23:13
Reese
you don't shoot. You don't deserve to win. That's my opinion.
00:23:15
Cokeley Brothers
i think I think Jacob Warner was a treat he was a treat to watch in high school.
00:23:26
Reese
Yeah, exactly. I remember watching the fire.
00:23:27
Cokeley Brothers
and And then that went away.
00:23:30
Reese
Yeah, what happened? What is it? Yeah. Anyway. 141. 141. and forty one
00:23:34
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. ah Back to the duel. Penn State up 6-0. Jesse Mendes gets a tech fall over Brayden Davis. Felt good.
00:23:45
Cokeley Brothers
Felt good. Felt great.
00:23:47
Reese
Yeah, you like that, huh?
00:23:48
Cokeley Brothers
ah that's so That's the last good feeling you get.
00:23:51
Reese
We never got to talk about ah Davis and Brock Hardy. what What were your thoughts on that whole deal?
00:23:57
Cokeley Brothers
oh yeah. I mean, know, there's both sides of it, right? you Like, look, Brock Hardy. Brock Hardy's a good guy. Most people are going to say, like...
00:24:10
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I deserve that. ah But Brayden Davis is a sore loser. About as sore of a loser as it gets. ah And so when you pat him on the chest after he was beating you and then you pinned him, yeah, that's going to happen.
00:24:25
Cokeley Brothers
But you know what? Just makes Penn State look more villainous. Is there a cap? What's happening?
00:24:32
Reese
Wow. These cats eat, they eat, uh, they try to eat these. They steal these and they like them a lot for some reason. They like packing food a lot.
00:24:41
Cokeley Brothers
That's not it's
Attitudes in Wrestling vs. Football
00:24:44
Cokeley Brothers
not good for their diaries.
00:24:44
Reese
Not good, dude. I don't know why, but they like, they love it. Um,
00:24:49
Cokeley Brothers
Interesting.
00:24:50
Reese
I did. i was like, yeah, who gives a shit? You get, I mean, who cares whether it was or wasn't disrespect who like that's, I mean, Braden Davis's reaction fund.
00:24:57
Cokeley Brothers
You got.
00:25:02
Reese
I don't like that. Didn't bother me that much either. I mean, he could have maybe hurt Brock like with those kicks.
00:25:10
Reese
I mean, it was sore loser behavior. Yeah. Sure. The, the people like that actually upset me were people like Don Bishada, who, who like, Don like tweeted some shit like that was, uh, that was very, uh, that was like, exactly said it was like, it was the wrong thing to do. And you, you know, you would expect more from an elder statesman. That's, that was his exact, uh, verbiage was called Brock and elder statesman saying it was the wrong thing to do at that time was pat him on the chest after he had just pinned him. Like what? Shut up, dude.
00:25:51
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, the look.
00:25:53
Reese
That was one of those sweet where drafted a reply and then deleted it, obviously.
00:25:59
Cokeley Brothers
I, I, I can't, I can't handle that guy on Twitter anymore.
00:26:06
Cokeley Brothers
So I have.
00:26:07
Reese
Yeah, he's been pretty active lately. You bought him, is what you said?
00:26:11
Cokeley Brothers
That's good for him. No, i didn't block him, but I just.
00:26:18
Reese
You're not going to say what you did?
00:26:19
Cokeley Brothers
i keep myself I keep myself uninvolved because you know it's not there's not a conversation to have. It's just
00:26:25
Reese
Well, he's definitely like, he's baiting. It's been like confirmed that he'sri he's rage baiting. That tweet, though, I felt like wasn't, that was like him just like being a Penn State meat writer.
00:26:39
Reese
I'm just like, me why would you twist why would you twist that thing? and like why would you twist it like that?
00:26:44
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, because he he was saying he was saying like you did that to a guy in his home, like with a home crowd that big, like like you knew that you knew what kind of reaction you were inciting.
00:26:56
Cokeley Brothers
And like Brock Hardy apologized for it and ah in an interview like a week later. But fuck Brock Hardy, you just you don't have you don't have any ah responsibility in that situation.
00:27:12
Reese
I mean, dude. Yeah, that that was a that was just like a one a little not contained incident, obviously, but I just like with that kind of thing, I'm almost like, I almost feel like some people don't deserve to have an opinion that they can share in the public.
00:27:31
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:34
Cokeley Brothers
This is why you just got to Got to keep your. Right.
00:27:38
Reese
Obviously, I didn't Obviously, it's not bothering me anymore. Right. Anyway.
00:27:45
Cokeley Brothers
not ah Not one bit.
00:27:47
Cokeley Brothers
149. Shane Van Ness gets a tech fall over Brogan Fielding. Sorry, Brogan. 157. PJ Duke gets a pin over Daxton Chase. Sorry, Daxton. Mitchell Mezenbrink gets a major over Patty Gallagher. ah People are calling for for Ethan Burden to be the guy at this weight.
00:28:04
Reese
ah you What did Mr. Maren get? He got a major?
00:28:09
Reese
I think burden would have been teched. So don't know.
00:28:13
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Patty... Yeah, maybe. Did you did you notice something? Because I saw this clip. Patty, like, towards the end of the match, they're going they went out bounds went back to the center of the mat.
00:28:25
Cokeley Brothers
And Patty, like, taps him on the back of the... Or, like, does, like, a double back, like, pat as they're going back. Kind of not too dissimilar from, like, what Mitchell was doing to Jordan Burroughs when they wrestled.
00:28:37
Cokeley Brothers
and And Mitchell, like, like flew his... Flung his hand off.
00:28:42
Cokeley Brothers
I'm like, interesting.
00:28:43
Cokeley Brothers
Interesting to me. ah I don't know. It's just an interesting little little wrinkle. Probably doesn't mean anything, but don't know.
00:28:53
Reese
Man, I just want to say this one thing. Like, football, when you watch a football game, the amount of like little shit that they do, like the chirping and the little, the little chubs, like it's like, there's no comparison between football and wrestling.
00:29:09
Reese
And like those dudes, when they get like a little like shoulder, you know, like if someone's chirping in their ear or if they get like, you know, shoulder checked or whatever, they just can, they just keep walking.
00:29:22
Reese
They don't let it bother them. So I, I think wrestlers should maybe you know have a little bit more discipline and a little bit thicker skin.
00:29:32
Reese
That's kind of where I'm at
00:29:33
Cokeley Brothers
think I think it also it comes with the sport, right? In football, there there is like trash talking and chirping. it is If you aren't doing it in the sport, then you're not really in the sport.
00:29:47
Cokeley Brothers
ah Wrestling...
00:29:49
Reese
You don't think that's a part of wrestling?
00:29:52
Cokeley Brothers
ah Dude, i can't I can't tell you...
00:29:55
Cokeley Brothers
i think I don't think I've ever said like a negative thing to my opponent in the middle of a match. Ever.
00:30:02
Reese
You know, has Ben Ashburn.
00:30:05
Reese
He did it all the time.
00:30:06
Reese
Apparently he was like, we're finallying right here
00:30:07
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, and Gable Steveson apparently would like like well they have somebody when i have somebody on a front headlock, he's saying stuff to them.
00:30:15
Reese
So some people do, it some people do it.
00:30:20
Cokeley Brothers
Whatever. i don't know. i
00:30:23
Reese
it's It's definitely less of a of a thing than and compared to football. I mean, cause like, yeah, I mean, I didn't watch a lot of football. I mean, you know this, I didn't watch a lot of football at all until like really a few years ago.
00:30:36
Reese
And, you know, those last few years, like I was like over the last few years, I've just like, i didn't realize how much shit talking there was in between plays in football.
00:30:48
Reese
And now I've, now I realize that it's just a part of the game. And that's because, you know, I only wrestled pretty much my whole life and there really isn't a lot of shit talking in wrestling.
00:31:00
Cokeley Brothers
No, there's not, not like not on the map, not before match, not after a match, not when you see the guy on the street, like it's just not that kind of sport.
00:31:15
Cokeley Brothers
it's not like we're like, we're better than football players.
00:31:17
Cokeley Brothers
No, it's just different. Yeah.
00:31:19
Reese
Yeah. little More of whatever honor. not That sound that makes it sound like we think we're better, but Hey, I do think that guys should maybe have thicker skin.
00:31:33
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. I mean, for sure.
00:31:34
Reese
That was my, that was the bottom line there.
00:31:38
Reese
I'm going to go back and watch that match though. Cause I want to see what you were talking about.
00:31:43
Cokeley Brothers
I think there's a clip of it on Twitter. Because, again, I didn't watch the duel, so i have I must have seen this on Twitter or Instagram, something like that. I'll see if I can find it. But back to the duel. 174, Levi Haines gets a tech fall over TJ Sherrill.
00:31:59
Cokeley Brothers
Now, 184, this match surprised me. Didn't shock you, I don't think, because I think you were expecting
Rocco Welsh's Match Outcomes
00:32:06
Cokeley Brothers
this. But it surprised me.
00:32:10
Reese
Don't fish back, dude.
00:32:12
Reese
I was surprised by how easily he was able to get to Rocky's, Rocco's legs because he got to legs like three or four different times.
00:32:21
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, so so Rocco Welsh wins this match 7-6,
00:32:22
Reese
And then he stole the match.
00:32:27
Cokeley Brothers
but I think he needed... Did he get two takedowns in the second period? Or a third period?
00:32:34
Reese
Rocco, yeah, he got two.
00:32:36
Reese
He got one with like a minute left probably and then one with literally like 13 seconds off.
00:32:41
Reese
And both of them, both of them were front headlock go behind. Like,
00:32:46
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, and and and Fishback had riding time. Like...
00:32:50
Reese
yeah, right time secured.
00:32:51
Cokeley Brothers
So fish.
00:32:52
Reese
He had a stall he could give. i mean, the first, the first takedown he gave up, he gets in on the leg in a low single somehow.
00:33:03
Reese
somehow loses the leg completely and on all fours, easy go behind. Rocco climbs the arm and then just spins behind basically. And then, and then in the last 30 seconds, Rocco isn't even trying to like really shoot or like go behind him, but he is snapping fish back.
00:33:24
Reese
He's snapping his face into the mat.
00:33:25
Cokeley Brothers
to the ground. yeah I saw this.
00:33:26
Reese
Yeah. several foot Yeah. And it was like insane. And yeah, and finally, one like on the final one, he's just like, all right, I guess I'm just going to run behind him now.
00:33:35
Reese
And that was the match.
00:33:39
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. I mean, is is this like a, is this like a stock up for, for fish back? Is this a stock down for Rocco? And do like, what, what,
00:33:49
Reese
This is an investigation. This has what this is. This is investigate this match because that was, that was weird. That was a weird match to me.
00:33:58
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
00:33:58
Cokeley Brothers
Because like i was I was being offered the idea of like, well, if there's a team that is going to prepare their 184 pounder for Rocco Welsh better than anybody else, it's going to be the team that he used to wrestle for.
00:33:59
Reese
Maybe he didn't want to win. I don't know.
00:34:15
Cokeley Brothers
But like, you know, I guess maybe they're like Rocco, you know, when he hand fights, because that's what he does a lot of. He really leaves this open. ah Maybe, i guess.
00:34:27
Cokeley Brothers
I don't know.
00:34:28
Reese
I think Fishback is really good, i like, from Space. And I think maybe that's, like, just something – that's a style matchup thing, maybe. Yeah.
00:34:38
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, this this is what ie this is what I need to work on this summer that I need to like kind of devote some some significant time to. I want something that is able to like take in a match and then give me the statistics on it.
00:34:50
Cokeley Brothers
You know, like who, how long of a match was somebody controlling the center of a mat? How many shots did they take? How many shots did they finish? Like those type of statistics, dude.
00:34:59
Reese
Did you, by the way, did you just quick, quick thing here?
00:35:01
Cokeley Brothers
Cause like, huh?
00:35:06
Reese
Did you ever look up or count the amount of times? i don't even remember what it was.
00:35:12
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Between on trail and PJ, it was pretty even.
00:35:17
Cokeley Brothers
It was pretty, I think PJ, PJ had one or two more, but yeah.
00:35:22
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. But I was like, I was like this conversation. um This isn't, we're not getting anywhere here.
00:35:25
Reese
No, you must tell Ryan. You must tell Ryan. You must drive it. You're digging it, dig it back up. Bring it back.
00:35:33
Reese
He'll hear He'll hear in the podcast.
00:35:34
Cokeley Brothers
We're bringing it back.
00:35:36
Cokeley Brothers
We'll bring it back.
00:35:37
Cokeley Brothers
He doesn't listen to this, none but like Rocco Welsh or not Rocco Welsh, Dylan Fishback and Alex Fakundo have got to have two of the lowest finishing percentages in the sport outside of like guys who literally just can't finish any shot.
00:35:54
Cokeley Brothers
Cause like Fakundo will spend, will spend five minutes of a match
00:35:56
Reese
Facundo gets in on light. I didn't even... know he got in on legs.
00:36:01
Reese
Facundo. I didn't even realize he could get in legs that much.
00:36:04
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, that's all he does. He gets in on shots and he never finishes them. Ever.
00:36:11
Cokeley Brothers
It's crazy. And it's like it it makes total sense why he struggles against a guy like Chris Minto. Because I'll tell you what. Minto, you can get on at his legs. You are not going to finish.
00:36:22
Cokeley Brothers
You are not going to finish unless you are very clean. um Yeah. ah that's some That's some type of data that I would just love to have. Because like...
00:36:32
Reese
guys haveve gun so then Guys have gotten so good at that.
00:36:33
Cokeley Brothers
I mean, the only... What?
00:36:37
Reese
Like when a guy's in on the head inside single, you bury their head between your legs. Like you kind of just sit. Like guys gotten so good at that. Like it seems like you don't get a lot.
00:36:48
Reese
You don't get to them. I mean, even when guys do get to the waterfall toadstool position, they're not.
00:36:52
Cokeley Brothers
They seem like they're like I can't move this leg.
00:36:53
Reese
Yeah. Yeah. Weird. Weird. yeah
00:36:58
Cokeley Brothers
brutal but that was 184 197 josh barr gets a major over luke geog and then 285 cole mirasola beats nick feldman so is it time to have a conversation about cole feldman
00:37:18
Cokeley Brothers
is is he i think he's he's at least shown himself to be a guy who can place i don't think he's quite title threat
00:37:29
Cokeley Brothers
especially with some of the other results that we're seeing. I don't think he's ever going to beat a, uh, an AJ Ferrari and Isaac Trumbull, a younger Bastida. And at this point, I think a tag, a dolly.
00:37:44
Reese
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to think about that match. Nick Feldman is such a tough dude to like, he's such a tough like variable or whatever.
00:37:57
Cokeley Brothers
Some people, some people want to use this idea that I'm going to float out to you to explain both Ben Keeter and Nick Feldman's losses to call me or Sola that you just watched your entire team get annihilated.
00:38:11
Cokeley Brothers
And so you're pretty deflated.
00:38:15
Reese
Oh, it could be that like that.
00:38:17
Cokeley Brothers
You know,
00:38:17
Reese
That makes sense. And i mean, it's BJC, right? I'm assuming it was.
00:38:23
Cokeley Brothers
I think so.
00:38:24
Reese
Yeah. I could see that. And again, I mean, Feldman's like due for some weird matches and that was kind of a weird match. And Mirasol is someone I really just don't even know what to think. I definitely don't think, I guess I don't think he's, I'm like i'm with you. He's not a title contender, but I certainly think he can AA it, but.
00:38:44
Reese
I think at Penn State, like, I mean, I don't know. I think Penn State's probably gotten him to as good as where he can be.
00:38:56
Cokeley Brothers
With his, with his pedigree of being an aspirin wrestler and being at Penn state, he'll find a way to get on the podium is my expectation.
00:39:07
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Okay.
Penn State's Wrestling Dominance
00:39:08
Cokeley Brothers
That's the duel 36 to five. Penn state, uh, continues their streak. Um, their, uh, reign of terror and dominance over this sport will continue for another hundred years.
00:39:20
Cokeley Brothers
And, uh, we will be lucky to get the scraps. They're like the Targaryens man to use a house of a game of Thrones reference. These, these, yep.
00:39:29
Reese
Are you watching that new show?
00:39:31
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I am. And these M efforts have dragons and we can't kill them.
00:39:33
Reese
I heard it's really good.
00:39:35
Cokeley Brothers
Reese. Yeah, it's good. It's good. I had to do something. People, I watched a Game of the Thrones. ah Like, I guess we finished it up right before Christmas. So it took like, i don't know, however many months.
00:39:50
Cokeley Brothers
ah And I've never been like so, like I lost sleep over the ending.
00:39:57
Cokeley Brothers
Like it just, it was, but couldn't, couldn't, couldn't. I couldn't live with it. Uh, and so I had to watch house of dragon and i'm watching the new, ah the new show just to kind of, yeah.
00:40:09
Reese
these I mean, would you say the new show is better than either one of them or is different?
00:40:15
Cokeley Brothers
Different, just different, just different.
00:40:15
Reese
Isn't there like more comedy and whatnot?
00:40:17
Cokeley Brothers
It's light heart, more lighthearted, more comedy.
00:40:24
Reese
One of my coworkers was like trying like hard trying to sell me on it.
00:40:29
Cokeley Brothers
It's fun. It's fun. That's how I phrase it. Now, I don't I don't think it's like, oh, like awesome, you know, but there's only four episodes of it out so far. So.
00:40:39
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. OK, now that we've gotten our cinema out of the way, ah let's move on to the Iowa Michigan duel.
00:40:47
Cokeley Brothers
Iowa. so narrowly avoids a disastrous loss to Michigan wins 19 to 17. And it took, it took everybody doing their part, uh, to manage. Um,
00:41:08
Cokeley Brothers
let's start at where they started at one 41 Dylan Raggason gets a major over P Cale Peterson, known to see her Bailey. ah this is the biggest concern. The biggest element of like, man, what is Iowa going to look like is the fact that we don't see Nasir Bailey.
00:41:25
Cokeley Brothers
We don't see Angelo Ferrari. And obviously they lost in Dean. So
00:41:30
Reese
And we got Tom Ryan saying things like, oh, the spot's open. 141 is open. It is not – like, you know, I don't feel like I normally hear – you normally hear him say that.
00:41:39
Cokeley Brothers
Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom brands, Tom brands.
00:41:41
Reese
Tom Brands. Who would I say? Ryan?
00:41:50
Reese
We got Tom Ryan talking about Tom Brands.
00:41:50
Cokeley Brothers
Tom brands.
00:41:54
Reese
God damn, bro. This is bad. I was like Tom Ryan. Yeah. Head coach at Iowa.
00:42:02
Cokeley Brothers
Well, well, Reese, maybe.
00:42:04
Reese
Tom brands. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I feel like I don't, you don't typically hear him. At least I don't, I don't can't think of the last time I've heard him talk about a weight like that, where you kind of feel you you go into the season, assuming that it's going to be Nasir Bailey. And now you got him saying,
00:42:22
Cokeley Brothers
What was Nasir's last match? Was it Minnesota?
00:42:29
Cokeley Brothers
Do you know?
00:42:36
Cokeley Brothers
I'm going to pull it up real quick. Give me one second. One second. One second. It was Vance Vaughn Barr. Now, okay. So this...
00:42:41
Cokeley Brothers
this Yes. ah Like 30 seconds into the match, Nasir had to take injury time because one of his hands, I think his right hand was bothering the hell out of him.
00:42:46
Reese
I got smoke. What's up with his hands, man?
00:42:52
Cokeley Brothers
So yeah ah apparently this has been an issue for a while, but I think it got elevated from whatever it was like in in some manageable state to what it is now, which is, i mean, he's.
00:43:05
Reese
Do you think that's always been why he taped his hands? Do you think that's what it really boiled down to? it wasn't It wasn't actually for for an advantage.
00:43:15
Reese
It was just because he had hurt hands. Okay.
00:43:19
Cokeley Brothers
No, I want 100% think that, um uh, he's got busted up fingers, but also that he definitely gets a little bit of an extra grip with the tape.
00:43:31
Cokeley Brothers
I think both can be true.
00:43:32
Reese
hit cause Hurt hands like that, that's a rare that's rare that i ever heard that that's ever a lingering issue.
00:43:35
Cokeley Brothers
Dude. I mean, i but I have a feeling with the, with the way people describe like how he's able to tilt that, like, are his hands are his tendons and his fingers just too strong to like keep themselves together does he is he tearing his tendons his grip strength is so strong i don't know don't know that'd be crazy but uh so raggason ragdolls kill peterson uh lachlan mcneil beats writer block who so okay hang on actually i need to look this up real quick because
00:44:07
Reese
Good thing that he beat Ryder Block because was ready to text to you guys. I was ready to text. was ready to be like, Lachlan Neal might be, just might be were like worst.
00:44:19
Reese
like you know most and heat You got the most improved. you got your most improved wrestler. Least or whatever. Whatever vice versa is.
00:44:27
Cokeley Brothers
Most regressed.
00:44:28
Reese
hear that us Most regressed wrestler. And I was ready to to give him back award until he beat Ryder Block.
00:44:38
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. Well, do you know what he did today?
00:44:45
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. Michigan wrestled Wisconsin.
00:44:48
Reese
I knew that. um i've Obviously, I knew that.
00:44:51
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. And he lost to Joe Zargo.
00:44:53
Reese
That's a fine loss. That's fine.
00:44:55
Cokeley Brothers
Who lost to Joey Butler? fellow Fellow Hoosier.
00:44:57
Reese
that and you'd say that You say that as if... I mean, he's a Hoosier, dude.
00:45:04
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, that's what i'm talking about, baby.
00:45:06
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
00:45:12
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. ah Wisconsin beat Michigan.
00:45:15
Reese
shit that's okay I mean it's tough all around for the Big Ten these days it's really like I mean it really like it feels like what could feel like um like competitiveness and like
00:45:16
Cokeley Brothers
Rough weekend for Michigan, dude. Yeah.
00:45:24
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, a lot of cannibalism happening right now.
00:45:35
Reese
high level, it feels like what's happening, you know, hit the hit the alarm, or like, you know, sound the alarm, like, we need to fix something immediately.
00:45:45
Reese
It feels that way because of one team specifically, or maybe two teams this year with Ohio State.
00:45:49
Cokeley Brothers
And that's. That's Iowa.
00:45:55
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, what what are you saying?
00:45:57
Reese
talking about Penn State. I'm saying because Penn State is so far ahead of every other team, it feels like
00:46:03
Reese
All of these other teams, when they are losing to each other, it feels like they're competing out of really, it feels like they're, I don't know, inconsistent when when it's more just like competitiveness, maybe.
00:46:17
Cokeley Brothers
Right. Right.
Penn State's Legacy in Wrestling
00:46:19
Cokeley Brothers
It's like, that's the way the sport's supposed to be.
00:46:21
Cokeley Brothers
Meanwhile, you have these Nittany lions, the bourgeoisie of the sport.
00:46:23
Reese
Exactly. who have just i don't I don't even know what to say anymore at this point.
00:46:30
Reese
I'm over it. I'm over it.
00:46:33
Reese
it's It's mainly because of the Nittany Lion pundits. It's not even the team. It's not the team's fault. It's these. It's because I hate thinking about, and I'm sorry.
00:46:43
Reese
i'm you this I know this gets put out into the like internet, the infosphere. i just, bash, I don't like the thought of him being happy.
00:46:54
Reese
i hate it. And I hear – I listen to his podcast. to podcast. I do because I want to listen to – I consume wrestling media or whatever. And when I hear him say – he said something like, Iowa, you know, they they bounced back and they got a good win over whoever – they wrestled well against – oh, no, no.
00:47:14
Cokeley Brothers
Michigan.
00:47:15
Reese
He was talking about the Hawkeye Wrestling Club, that how they had a good tournament at the –
00:47:19
Cokeley Brothers
Oh yeah. They did have a good ranking series.
00:47:22
Reese
Yeah, there's a grab. He's like, and then they really needed that good.
00:47:25
Reese
That was good for them. Because you know, they've been struggling. And in my mind, I'm just thinking,
00:47:33
Reese
think dude, shut up. Like you had anything to do with like you have anything to do with Nittany Lion, you know, whatever.
00:47:41
Reese
It's not they over there.
00:47:41
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, like because... I recognize the fact that with all things, there an
00:47:45
Reese
I just wish I just we could just have some more, you know, like some more comp like, you know, I just wish it wasn't just the Penn State show.
00:47:59
Cokeley Brothers
i recognize the fact that with all things they there is an end
00:48:08
Reese
Yeah, I mean, it's not like this is the first time, right? This isn't the first time we've had these.
00:48:11
Cokeley Brothers
and Maybe one day.
00:48:15
Cokeley Brothers
maybe Maybe one day Indiana is better than Penn State.
00:48:19
Reese
Yeah, who knows? and the end of they they do they have
00:48:22
Reese
Are they one of the 15 teams with titles? They don't have a title, do they?
00:48:27
Cokeley Brothers
Yes, they do.
00:48:28
Cokeley Brothers
1937 or something like that. Yeah.
00:48:30
Reese
All right. That's what I thought I, know.
00:48:33
Cokeley Brothers
We hold on to that because that's all we got.
00:48:38
Reese
It's just the whole, the Penn State thing, it went from really cool and impressive and awe-inspiring to it's just tired now. It's tired. Play it out.
00:48:48
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. yeah So like i do, there is an element of, of the whole situation that my mind interprets and says, Kale Sanderson with what he is doing, which is being ah a coach and a, and a good coach because he's elevating his wrestlers to a, to a higher level.
00:49:11
Cokeley Brothers
Awesome work. And now as a sport, the other coaches have two options. elevate themselves to challenge that or get lost.
00:49:23
Cokeley Brothers
Some, some of them are getting lost because it's really hard. It's really hard to get to to elevate. You're say that high, you know, you're getting the recruits, you're getting the money, you're getting the development.
00:49:37
Cokeley Brothers
What was left for us?
00:49:40
Reese
know. Yeah. I mean, at some point the the work is the recruiting thing that has to change. feel like more than anything.
00:49:47
Cokeley Brothers
It's not gonna though. It's not gonna.
00:49:50
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, you you have you have so many.
00:49:54
Cokeley Brothers
You have... Connor Mirasol is losing eligibility this year. He could be on the podium.
00:49:59
Reese
yeah. Yeah. I think the, I think my, my opinion about what makes a team like what's made Penn state, like win all their titles, like the the, like biggest factor is the fact that they're back half of their lineup is like really, really, really good.
00:50:19
Reese
And I think that's what like you need more than anything is a really, really good one 65 through your heavy weight. I think like, here yeah, yeah.
00:50:26
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, and they've always had that.
00:50:29
Reese
Because it's just easier to be consistent at those upper weights than it is at the lower weight.
00:50:33
Cokeley Brothers
It is 100%. one hundred percent
00:50:35
Cokeley Brothers
ah Indiana won it in 1932. And then they were runner-ups in 1940. So we weren't one-hit wonders. And we were runner-ups in 1934. So...
00:50:48
Reese
when was Indiana's like last, did do you have their whole like results or their whole like finishes pulled up or?
00:50:55
Cokeley Brothers
What are you looking for?
00:50:56
Reese
I was like, when was their last like top five finish?
00:51:01
Cokeley Brothers
Probably 1940.
00:51:04
Cokeley Brothers
Probably. I mean, maybe early two thousand s I don't know, dude. I'm not a historian, so you can't you can't ah lean on me for that.
00:51:12
Reese
I know from when I started paying attention, it was like 2010, 2009 ish. Like, you had like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Cornell. I just remember wiscon like Wisconsin was like the big one worked for me where like they were like really, really good.
00:51:28
Reese
And you know, they haven't been that level and and in a long time, but yeah, that was that was pretty cool when they were like top five, top four.
00:51:38
Reese
I miss that. I miss like dance in Wisconsin was that good.
00:51:39
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Indiana, Indiana took eighth in 1990.
00:51:46
Reese
That was their highest finish in the last whatever.
00:51:50
Cokeley Brothers
I'm just kind of clicking, clicking through some results and that's what I'm finding.
00:51:56
Cokeley Brothers
Uh, so yeah. Okay. Um,
00:52:02
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, Michigan, michigan Iowa. ah Cam Catrabone beats Jordan Williams.
00:52:07
Cokeley Brothers
came Dude, 157 in the Big Ten is going to be a lot of fun. You have your Tier 1s. You have Entrell Taylor, PJ Duke, Brandon Cannon, and that's it.
00:52:18
Cokeley Brothers
ah But then you have your Tier 2, which is Cam Catrabone, Charlie Millard, Kanan Webster, who might be a Tier 1 guy. I mean, he was he was an exchange away from beating Entrell, which I mean, I guess a lot of people have been.
00:52:25
Reese
He's a terrible guy. Come on.
00:52:31
Cokeley Brothers
ah Yeah, 157 is going to be a lot of fun ah within the country and at one band a big 10.
00:52:40
Cokeley Brothers
So that's awesome. um Cam Catrabone's right in there. I mean, he was super close to beating um Peter Duke, but then also he goes and loses to Luke Mechler.
00:52:48
Reese
You can't, you can't, you can't eat.
00:52:51
Cokeley Brothers
so ah Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess people just don't understand, which is fine.
00:52:51
Reese
Cut some meat for your little tweet
00:52:59
Cokeley Brothers
They they just don't know.
00:53:00
Reese
tweet. There's not high level minds like some of us.
00:53:02
Cokeley Brothers
Some people don't know that periodization is a thing.
00:53:07
Reese
Yeah. And that's where it separates.
00:53:07
Cokeley Brothers
i didn't know that's what it was called. but
00:53:11
Cokeley Brothers
but ah But also, like I flat out i flat out watched ah watched Iowa do it to us, to Indiana in 2019.
00:53:18
Reese
What did it look like?
00:53:18
Cokeley Brothers
So like ah it looked like, oh my god, this Iowa team doesn't seem that good. like we We were like right there to win like three or four matches.
00:53:27
Reese
I see what you're saying.
00:53:29
Cokeley Brothers
And then we wrestled them at Big Tens and they paid the shit out of us.
00:53:34
Reese
Yeah, yeah, yeah. i thought you were saying you want to practice like before the rule of thumb.
00:53:37
Cokeley Brothers
So, yeah. No.
00:53:43
Cokeley Brothers
No. No, no, no, no, no. But, yes, Bo Mantonona beat Patrick Kennedy. Gabe Arnold beats Brock Mantonona. And, yeah, here's the deal. If we don't see Angelo Ferrari again for the rest of the season, that sucks.
00:53:56
Cokeley Brothers
But Gabe Arnold, he hasn't wrestled since Rocco.
00:53:56
Reese
Wait, you think that's possible?
00:54:04
Cokeley Brothers
Where is he?
00:54:06
Reese
Something else may help you back.
00:54:08
Cokeley Brothers
I hope so. hope so. But if he's not, Gabe Arnold is great. Gabe Arnold is a great option.
00:54:15
Reese
That's a good win. He needed that win big time.
00:54:20
Reese
And that's the guy that's the guy to get the win over, Brock Manton.
00:54:20
Cokeley Brothers
dids Did he?
00:54:25
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, Brock Mantonona. I mean, he's also got a win over Silas Allred. So he's lost to McAnally and Fishback.
00:54:31
Cokeley Brothers
And Wask.
00:54:32
Reese
You should, I mean, that's like a matchup. Like I really can't ever see Brock Manthino debating Gabe Arnold because he's just too, you know, he lets it fly.
00:54:44
Reese
And yeah, Gabe will capitalize.
00:54:44
Cokeley Brothers
It's too flimsy. ah Harvey Ludington beats Hayden Walters. that's ah that That is the win. That is the win to take away from this duel for Iowa.
00:54:56
Cokeley Brothers
And then take a dolly. Majors Ben Keeter.
00:55:00
Reese
Yeah, he body locked him. He bodied him. Right. I mean, I'm like thinking Ben Keeter is obviously not right. That's where I'm at.
00:55:08
Cokeley Brothers
yeah Dude, I have said this since it was announced last year.
00:55:13
Cokeley Brothers
hip surgery in March, you are not going to be okay. The next season you like, you can wrestle.
00:55:23
Cokeley Brothers
You're not going to be the same guy. It's like, yeah, but he's going into football the next year.
00:55:27
Reese
What kind of hip surgery did he have?
00:55:32
Cokeley Brothers
That's a good question.
00:55:33
Reese
Did you get the Ben Ashburn thing?
00:55:33
Cokeley Brothers
That's a good question. Uh, I don't think then, didn't Ben get a hip replacement.
00:55:36
Reese
Did you get anything replaced?
00:55:42
Cokeley Brothers
I don't think he got, I'm thinking it was like a torn labrum or something like that.
00:55:48
Cokeley Brothers
ah Let's take a look here. Ben Keeter won't play for the Iowa football team. who but blah bla Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. An arthroscopic hip surgery that will require an extensive recovery process.
00:55:59
Reese
That's like they go in there and like clean it or something.
00:56:03
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, no idea. But I think, yeah, scoping is that.
00:56:10
Cokeley Brothers
arthroscopic, minimally invasive outpatient surgical procedure used to diagnose and repair joint damage.
00:56:11
Reese
Like clean the not right.
00:56:18
Cokeley Brothers
All right. So his hip was hurting him and he needed it to feel better. That's what we know.
00:56:27
Cokeley Brothers
But he just, he just doesn't, he doesn't look right. He doesn't look like, Yeah, he's not the Ben Keeter that you could have in the sport. And he's moving on to football after this.
00:56:38
Cokeley Brothers
So this e next year, he's going back to football.
00:56:39
Reese
What you mean? He's done for good.
00:56:45
Cokeley Brothers
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure.
00:56:46
Reese
He's no more wrestling.
00:56:50
Cokeley Brothers
ah could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure. I don't think I made that up. But maybe I misunderstood something.
00:56:58
Reese
Yeah, I have no, I don't know. i have no idea.
00:57:02
Cokeley Brothers
I'm not sure, but Dean Peterson beats Diego Sotelo in some victory and Drake. All it gets a tech fall over gauge, but tarot to win the duel.
00:57:12
Cokeley Brothers
shaking your head at Dean?
00:57:13
Reese
He had nothing. Oh, and I said poor Gage Botero.
00:57:17
Reese
He had nothing. had nothing.
00:57:19
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:22
Reese
There's, there there's like, is there, I feel like, is there another Botero kid?
00:57:23
Cokeley Brothers
No kidding.
00:57:29
Reese
there a Gage Botero?
00:57:30
Reese
I don't know. It's just a name you saw a lot in high school.
00:57:35
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah, I'm familiar with the name.
00:57:41
Cokeley Brothers
Okay, Reese, what's left?
00:57:44
Reese
Nothing much really. are
00:57:45
Cokeley Brothers
we're we're at We're at about an hour.
00:57:47
Cokeley Brothers
First dates?
00:57:47
Reese
The Lady Thunder qualified four girls, five, four girls.
00:57:53
Cokeley Brothers
for states
00:57:55
Reese
it's Yeah, our best wrestler, Gianna Puala, literally Wednesday, Wednesday and night practice. when We're running sprints. We never run sprints, whatever. we were running sprints and she breaks her foot.
00:58:11
Reese
Yeah, I know. It's tough.
00:58:15
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, sprints like this close to the postseason.
00:58:20
Reese
I know, dude. I know. i don't want you to...
00:58:22
Cokeley Brothers
Hey, you know what? While we're talking about high school wrestling, shout out to Kalil White from Saraland, Alabama, ah first state champion in Mobile County history, reportedly.
00:58:34
Cokeley Brothers
Mount Olympus Wrestling Club wrestler.
00:58:36
Reese
I mean, the amount of Kal-El's... There are so many Kal-Ls these days, it feels like. And Jor-Ls.
00:58:43
Cokeley Brothers
ah He's the only one that I know of.
00:58:47
Reese
I just keep seeing them, man. I keep seeing them in tournaments and whatnot. I don't know. Just getting nerdier and nerdier, this this country.
00:58:52
Cokeley Brothers
You would know more than than I would.
00:58:58
Cokeley Brothers
All right.
00:59:02
Cokeley Brothers
Oh, there's a Matthew Botello from North Carolina.
00:59:08
Cokeley Brothers
Similar to Botero.
00:59:10
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. you were You were looking at me like, oh, okay. Dude, wait. Do they have this backwards? Who won between Northern Illinois and and Northwestern?
00:59:24
Cokeley Brothers
I'm pretty sure Northern Illinois did. Flow, come on.
00:59:31
Cokeley Brothers
Dude, sometimes sometimes they're... they're ah Yeah, Northern Illinois beat Northwestern. 28 to 9.
00:59:39
Cokeley Brothers
And flow has it backwards flow has it backwards, which.
00:59:42
Reese
What were Northwestern, dude? Their athletics are drowning. Yeah.
00:59:46
Cokeley Brothers
Just drowning and and it's tragic to see, but flow, get your, get your box scores together, man. Come on.
00:59:55
Reese
Dude, I saw – I was hearing this pod, Josh Pate, this football guy, he was talking about Northwestern's football schedule this year.
01:00:04
Reese
Brutal. Brutal. Just like nightmarish.
01:00:06
Cokeley Brothers
like tough.
01:00:08
Reese
Yeah, like just disgusting.
01:00:12
Cokeley Brothers
where where are Where are the Hoosiers next year?
01:00:16
Reese
The Hoosiers are like week three for them, i think, or four.
01:00:20
Cokeley Brothers
No, not for Northwestern, just nationally.
01:00:23
Cokeley Brothers
Like, are they?
01:00:25
Reese
are you saying Are you asking if they're like – if it's coming up with rankings?
01:00:29
Cokeley Brothers
Well, don't don't don't they like drop new rankings like the moment that the national championship is done?
01:00:31
Reese
Like two-year-old rankings?
01:00:36
Reese
I think they they do have like portal and recruit rankings. Indiana's portal, don't remember what their portal rankings are.
01:00:46
Cokeley Brothers
2027 football rankings. ah Indiana is not. They're twenty second so yeah
01:00:57
Reese
Man, there's Northwestern, but they got Oregon, Iowa, and Ohio State. Three, they yeah they're at Oregon. Iowa at home, and then at Ohio State.
01:01:08
Reese
That's back-to-back-to-back. And they played Indiana and then Penn State earlier. Just that stuff.
01:01:18
Cokeley Brothers
They're in trouble. They are in trouble.
01:01:21
Cokeley Brothers
oh Okay,
CSUB Wrestling Program Concerns
01:01:22
Cokeley Brothers
folks. We're at an hour.
01:01:25
Cokeley Brothers
Got any closing words, Reese?
01:01:32
Cokeley Brothers
Okay. ah Look, folks.
01:01:35
Cokeley Brothers
The college wrestling season is almost over. And i think there's one thing we actually haven't talked about.
01:01:43
Reese
how low the subscriber count is.
01:01:43
Cokeley Brothers
We're going to lose... we're going to lose, uh, we're going to lose a wrestling program at the end of this year.
01:01:57
Cokeley Brothers
Um, there's an effort to save the program. And so if you have time, money, any resources to devote to it, do that. Uh, but more importantly, or just as importantly, if you have a program that you like,
01:02:14
Cokeley Brothers
If you have a team that you support, whether it's Division 1 through Division 3, NAI, high school, club, whatever, do what you can. Go to the duels, support the team, talk about them, bring a friend, introduce people to the sport if you enjoy it.
01:02:33
Reese
Make a donation and the barn session will match that donation.
01:02:36
Cokeley Brothers
Even if it's...
01:02:38
Cokeley Brothers
it No. Even if it's $5,
01:02:43
Cokeley Brothers
Even if it's $5.
01:02:48
Cokeley Brothers
Even if it's $5. We can match one $5 donation. We can't match $105 donations.
01:02:52
Reese
We'll match the first $5 donation. The first one will match it.
01:02:58
Cokeley Brothers
Yeah. Okay. All right. Have a good one. Goodbye.