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BIG Weekend of College Duals - Session 98
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We are back and previewing a HUGE slate of college duals going down this weekend!
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Podcast Relaunch and Wrestling Weekend Highlights
00:00:00
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what's the What's the phrase? What's the what phrase? Secret secrets. It's an office. It's from the office. don't remember. yeah it's But what I can tell you is we are back with another episode of The Bar and Session. Finally, after like a month and a half, I've corralled you two back into a room. It was really the people.
00:00:25
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it was really the people. It was the people? Yeah, the people, actually. that There were demands from people. Plural. More than one. More than one. more A handful, you could say. they wanted to They wanted this back.
00:00:41
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ah They've been busy. Ray, stop it. now that you're um Enough, Riz. Enough, Riz. Quit doing that. Quit eating. Just let me get a little...
00:00:53
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at least turn your i At least turn your mic off when you do that. Yeah, you're right. I don't know why I didn't do that. We were shooting the crap for 30 minutes, and now you're grabbing food? Yep.
00:01:05
Speaker
That's what I said. I said, you now that you're over recording. Unbelievable. Okay. Well, on the docket, we've got wrestling to talk about, and it's a big weekend of duels, so I would love to preview those, talk about the interesting matchups, talk about the interesting duels,
00:01:22
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and anything else that we can come up with. So where do you want to start? What's the most, what, what do all you guys most excited for this weekend? Well, name, yeah Oh, Virginia tech and NC state. That's the other big one.
00:01:35
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That's, that's another big one. Oklahoma state, Iowa state. Oh, that's the one. That's the one. Um, Yeah, I hope it will be. I think there might be some concern of Iowa State guys not being there, their lineup being half full.
00:01:56
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But either way, it should still be pretty good. But um yeah, I'm excited. There's also like Minnesota, Iowa, um Arizona State, Cornell.
00:02:09
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Those are ones that I'll be tuned into. And of course, my Hoosiers. Always tuned into the Hoosiers. we We haven't podcasted since the national title.
00:02:23
Speaker
Oh, my Hoosiers. My my national champions. Who? Who? who Hoosiers. Dude, I don't get how people can say Kurt Signetti is an ass or you know is like arrogant i don't get it i have never gotten it it it comes from a place of of uh envy i mean it has to right of course it feels like days from day one it was like oh he's smug he's arrogant i mean it's the it's the whole google me quote dude i get it
00:02:57
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but he's But he was, i mean, he dude, Google him.
Coaching Trees: Saban & Signetti
00:03:00
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He's got yeah he's got a resume. i feel like most people probably didn't even hear him say that either. i didn't hear the whole thing. They just see Google me.
00:03:08
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they Yeah, they get just the clip, just the snippet. and Yeah. Because the way he he like delivers stuff, you can tell he's like authentic and you know obviously he delivers.
00:03:22
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He does. He's a kale, dude. He's ah he's a a kale Sanderson. Same coaching philosophy. and it feels like he's got the same coaching philosophy and everything.
00:03:34
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his His thing stems from Nick Saban. and guessing It was the same thing. sayability Coaching through different sports is pretty pretty similar. Did you know that Nick Saban coached under Kurt's dad?
00:03:49
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I did not know that. Nick Saban coached under Kurt Signetti's dad and then Kurt Signetti coached under Nick Saban. So everyone's like, oh, part of the k Nick Saban coaching tree. No, no, no.
00:04:03
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The Signetti coaching tree. Right. I remember, yeah. Coach Signetti. There was a theres a coaching tree comment made a couple months ago but about wrestling. And it was like something about David Taylor and then like how that gets attributed to Kale Sanderson's coaching tree. I said, oh, yeah.
00:04:21
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Who's Kale Sanderson under?
00:04:24
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He's under his coaching tree. Bobby Douglas. Yeah. Wouldn't he be Bobby? It's Bobby's coaching tree. And then it was like, Oh, who coached Bobby? And then we have to go we had to go. Who did coach Bobby?
00:04:37
Speaker
I can't remember. Who, what did Bobby do? Nice. Cool. I mean, college college. i You're I'm not the historian. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. It's a little bit different with wrestling and football, right? Because Kurt didn't play for Nick Saban and David Taylor didn't coach with Kale Sanderson.
00:04:58
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You see what I'm saying? Yeah. And and coaching in football is a totally different, totally different thing. Dude, but it's not that different, actually. When you hear like the philosophies and stuff, it's not that – they say the same stuff. Yes.
00:05:11
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Yeah, yes. when it comes When it comes to that, yes. The mental aspect of sport, yes. Yeah, like the preparation and yeah all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:22
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I was thinking about like head coach, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator. Oh, yeah. I feel like the coaching tree's comparison is football is coaches to coaches and wrestling is coaches to athletes. Yes, it is. It is. You're right.
Nebraska vs. Penn State Duel Preview
00:05:43
Speaker
Okay. Yes. You're right there, Sammy. He wants to talk about the duels so bad. I want to get into wrestling. I'm sorry. I've been itching like ah like an addict to to talk about this stuff. Lead the way, Sammy.
00:05:57
Speaker
Well, let's start with tomorrow's duels. I think there's a triple header on Big Ten, and so the the one to talk about is going to be Nebraska-Penn State.
00:06:10
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Let's just just get rolling there. What's the path to victory for Nebraska?
00:06:18
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Currently, the Nittany Lions are on, I think, like a 70-duel win streak or something crazy. They've had... Six shutouts or so seven, some seven, seven shutouts so far this year. The record is like 10.
00:06:34
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ah Nebraska has a pretty good shot at not being included in that number, but let's look at some of these matchups and kind of see where this duel can be interesting.
00:06:47
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And I'll tell you what, it does not get interesting at the first weight. Luke Liddell will be wrestling one of Nebraska's options at 25. That just doesn't really work. It's been Alan Kohler, right? I think it's going to be, I think Kohler is going to get the nod over.
00:07:06
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and russell do lordson it's it's Kay. Sorry. It makes sense. It makes sense. It makes sense. I've seen. Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:17
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Uh, it's like Taylor. It's like Taylor. It's like Taylor made her. Yes. it's ah they've They've been going back and forth. i don't think I don't think either of them have shown that they've earned it over the other. Okay. yeah okay Especially against this Big Ten competition. this is that Penn State will score bonus most likely.
00:07:37
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um And at 133 pounds, I don't know if I can see Jacob Vandy testing Marcus Blaze either, especially at Penn State. I guess the the big question is, ah can Marcus get bonus?
00:07:53
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think he could. i mean, his offensive output is this so far this year has been higher than I expected it to be. But, I mean, he kept it tight.
00:08:05
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It was tight. A tight win over um over Drake Ayala. So, maybe not. But I think so. Over under seven and a half.
00:08:18
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ah think ah I think Blaze would probably open it up. after like one or two takedowns. Yeah. vania I just know Vandy is sneaky sometimes, you know?
00:08:31
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yeah Yeah. I mean, he kept it close with, you know, do you think he, well, until, until the second takedown, do you think he is going to try and wrestle out there to not give up bonus? Or do you think you's going to try and take it to blaze?
00:08:44
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I think you take that's normally his style is he'll take it to him, especially when he's the underdog. feel like Marcus would punish that type of style, though. Good. Yeah.
00:08:56
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But yeah, Blaze wins that match. um And then 141, this is Nebraska's, one of their two most suited matchups for them to win. And I think Brock Hardy is probably in position to get bonus points here, I would think.
00:09:13
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Yeah, this is pin. You need to get a pin here for Brock Hardy. It be crazy. It's pin or bust. I'm just saying yeah brock i mean Brock could easily lose this match too. You think so?
00:09:25
Speaker
Dude, he almost got beat by Bayley. and and Did you guys think that was going to be close? Yeah. i So, i have a couple of times. Is that the first time they wrestled?
00:09:38
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Yes. Nasir and Brock? Yeah. Nasir was 33. Well, I didn't know that they were. Did they not duel each other? at indie and not Not NDI, no. Iowa beat Oklahoma State, Ohio State beat Nebraska.
00:09:53
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Yep. Nasir looked really good against Brock. Like, in terms of his movement and and keeping Brock at bay, um really threatened Brock with his reattacks.
00:10:05
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I felt like even though Nasir lost 1-0, didn't get a takedown when he knew he wasn't going pick bottom, all of these things that kind of suggested that Nasir should have been more offensive, I, for a loss, I liked what I saw out of Nassir Bailey. Yeah. I do agree with the fact that Brock does not look great. He does not look like he's out there scoring a bunch of points, being very aggressive, and opening up these wrestling positions the way we've seen him do in the past.
00:10:34
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But I think even still, i I really don't see him losing to Brayden Davis. You don't see him what? Losing is name to Braden Davis. Yeah.
00:10:45
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Me neither. I'm picturing the match in my head and I don't see it. I don't see it. don't see it. don't see it either. But it's Penn State. I mean, yeah. Like Brock needs to to wrestle on, like get on top, get a tilt, get a cradle, get something. Get get a cradle.
00:11:04
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Somehow. Multiple takedowns. Get the major. Maybe look for the tech ball or a pin. Score some points here. And then ah at 149, Shane Van Ness pretty much has answered every test that he's had so far this year. And now he's got
Match Analysis and Predictions
00:11:20
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Chance Lamer, who has been there with some of these top guys, with Ethan Stiles and was with Ryder Block until he got pinned.
00:11:28
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How does he do? How does he do against Van Ness? but i Don't go up 7-1 on him or you're going to get embarrassed.
00:11:40
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Dude, ah yeah, that sucked. That sucked to see for Carter Young. i think this will be a tale of two halves. The first half, it'll be pretty close, and I think Shane Van Ness just pours it on at the end of period two and throughout period three.
00:11:59
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He did that against Block. I think he'll do it against Chance Lamer.
00:12:05
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Yeah? I'll give him the major.
00:12:09
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Yeah, I would too. I mean, is anybody, do you think anybody's going to test Van Ness this year? What, like the whole the whole way?
00:12:18
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Yeah, shit like can anybody at 149 this year? Somebody, surely there's somebody. style I think Styles can can push him. I think Jackson Joy can push him.
00:12:30
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Yeah, I think Jackson Joy is, you know, he's close to a Ridge Lovett-esque kind of guy. He can do it. But I forget, man. 149 is wasteland.
00:12:45
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Dude, it's it's a rough wait right now. And with with Larkin leaving it as well, it just kind of... Yeah, I don't really know what to think of it.
00:12:57
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But yeah, I don't think... So through four waits, Nebraska is losing three of them and probably giving up bonus. But we get to 157 where we see a rematch from this summer, Entrell Taylor versus P.J. Duke. Entrell Taylor kind of returning to form after having a tough start to his season.
00:13:21
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P.J. Duke kind of continuing to keep the ball rolling. I mean, he had ah he had a 4-2 win over Jordan Williams, a little bit tighter than you want it to be. And I think a think also a four two win over Daniel Cardenas. It was a close match.
00:13:33
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um How do you see this playing out?
00:13:39
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It's going one takedown match, if you ask me. One takedown. Maybe two if someone gets desperate at the end or something. You know what saying? Where is this? It's at Penn State. I could easily see this being four one Duke, 7-2 Duke, something like that. You know what I mean? gi me a Give me Contra Taylor.
00:14:03
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this This is what I have this is what i've been the most impressed with ah from Entrell Taylor since their second duel against Oklahoma State.
00:14:14
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And it reminded me that this is kind of one this was a key element to his wrestling that won him a national title last year, and it was his defense. His ability to keep his opponents off of his legs, out of scoring positions.
00:14:29
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If he can do that against P.J. Duke... he's in pretty good position to win this. pool Here's what I've noticed about Penn state wrestlers as a whole. If you go out there and wrestle to try to keep the match close, you will lose the match.
00:14:47
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Okay. You will lose. You got to go out there and you got to, you got to try. And at least if you want to keep it close, you got to try to win the match. without Without, you know what i mean? Like, you got to be offensive. You got attack.
00:15:02
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You go out there and you yeah and you just try to keep it close. That seems to be when Penn State, you know, kills you. Yeah. You saw the match. This was a freestyle.
00:15:16
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Right. But it was a lot of, I mean, it was a lot of step outs, wasn't it? Well, there's some four-point throws. Yeah. there was a four pointer I mean, at least I remember Taylor getting to the underhook and that's how he kind of scored.
00:15:28
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from From the underhook. and you go to if If you go to SNL's Twitter page, you'll find It's on there. I watched it today. The highlights. I think PJ's better at freestyle.
00:15:41
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So, I don't know. And that was like, dude, that match was down on the wire. Right.
00:15:48
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this this will be This will be the the marquee matchup. from the duel. Uh, and if Nebraska wants to win, they got to get it up here. So they can bonus of 41 and they get a win at 57, they're at least keeping things within striking distance of, of a massive upset.
00:16:10
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Now at the half moving into the second half, it's, uh, Mitchell Hodge trophy contender, Mezenbrink against LJ Raujo.
00:16:20
Speaker
That's going a tech fall in the second period. be Yeah. Tech fall, maybe a pen. who Has he given a bonus this year? A row Joe? Yeah, he got majored by Caliendo.
00:16:32
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And Patty. Patty? Majored him Yeah, at NDI. Dang. Yeah.
00:16:43
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I... Yeah, LJ... Yeah, you're right. I mean, he just he's he's too green. He's too fresh. So, yeah. I really, I think, I hope, I don't know. He can't wrestle 74 next year. It would be awesome to see him fill out.
00:17:01
Speaker
Yeah. well I thought that was going to be the plan. I had heard that that originally was the plan, but I guess Chris got too big, right? i mean, seeing Minto at 74, I'm not surprised. I guess maybe maybe Minto could make it to 84. He looks big.
00:17:16
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That'd probably be good for him to keep getting bigger. Yeah, probably. oh Throw in Chris Minto at 184? We'll get there. ah But first, he's got wrestle Levi Haynes.
00:17:30
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How does this look? I think he can. I think Chris can keep it to a decision.
00:17:37
Speaker
I don't I don't see a path. I don't see a path to victory. You could get bad on top. If he's going to win, he's going to get he's gonna need to get a little nasty on top himself. you know And he's got some good stuff. He's got a good he's got a good roll through tilt.
00:17:56
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had none of it against Iowa, though, did he? No, I know. He had nothing more than two seconds of writing time.
00:18:05
Speaker
They didn't look That's probably the worst they looked all year was against Iowa. Dude, that was a rough duel. But... What I think about, what I do think about from that Iowa match for Minto against Kennedy is, yes, Minto, through the hand fight, Minto became a shell of a man by the end of the match, but he did hang with Patrick Kennedy for 10 minutes, 10 minutes of hand fighting, which has some merit to it. But I think Levi Haynes is just a little bit craftier with using that to get to shots. Yeah. ah So I don't think Minto will be able to handle that.
00:18:43
Speaker
He was able to shut down Carson Harchla, but I still think i still think Haynes wins this. It's probably a two-takedown match.
00:18:54
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I'd say 8-3. I like that score. Yeah. He's not looked as impressive. But wait. Minto?
00:19:04
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Yeah. I wouldn't say that. the the winner The offense is definitely not there. it's good No, it's yeah no it's it's definitely tough. It's harder to come by, at least in the last two matches, which, to be fair, it was against the number three and number four guys in the country. I think i mean, he didn't he had those kind of low scores from the beginning of the the season, I felt like.
00:19:32
Speaker
I think you're right, maybe. You might be right about that. um yeah Moving on.
Wrestling Tiers and Contenders
00:19:38
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I want to talk about Silas Allred. Okay, Silas, all red rock or Welsh?
00:19:43
Speaker
Are we ready to put Silas and in that tier with those other guys? No. wow Not even after the win over Fishback? He lost to Gabe Arnold. lost to Gabe Arnold.
00:19:53
Speaker
Dude, Gabe is in there with those guys. Arnold lost to Danny Wask. So, Gabe takes some weird losses sometimes. kind Okay, what what's going to happen when Gabe beats this weekend?
00:20:10
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and Dude, if Gabe beats Max McAnally, you've got to consider what you're working with. If you're Tom and Terry, you've got to consider what you're working with. it's to know It was an overtime match last year. That's saying.
00:20:21
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was. i Look, i don't I don't disagree that it's possible, but the the loss to Danny Wask lingers in my mind. even though Was he working his way down to 174?
00:20:37
Speaker
Who? Gabe? Yes. Gabe? might He'll be 97, though. So is he going to wrestle 97, or is he going to beat Max McAnally and try and be 84?
00:20:49
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Just put him up at 97.
00:20:53
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What a mess. what do you do What about Angelo? Could you put Angelo at 97? No, he's not big enough. Gabe is? His ankle and his knee are banged up.
00:21:05
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Yeah. Dang. I think more his knee than his ankle. I don't think Gabe is more suited for 97. I don't think either guy is suited for 97.
00:21:17
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But I think they are, one of them is the best option between one of them, Brody Sampson, and pulling Harvey Ludington's red shirt.
00:21:26
Speaker
I think Angelo Ferrari is a better shot at winning the national title at 184 than Gabe Arnold has. Yeah, because Gabe could be gabe could be top a top four guy or he could DMP.
00:21:41
Speaker
Yes, exactly. um silas Silas is good. Silas is good. But however, that honestly, like I'm kind of upset with with the current stance of 184 top to bottom.
00:21:57
Speaker
tier one and tier two, maybe even tier three, ex with the exception of Aiden Sinclair. Nobody else ah generates the amount of offense and wrestling positions at 184 as Aiden Sinclair, which is why he might be like, he might i that's probably where I'm leaning at this point to win the title this year.
00:22:16
Speaker
I would. Makes sense. getting done He's an asking guy. Yeah.
00:22:23
Speaker
We've yet to see him. I mean, like, Put the whole thing together, though. What you mean? he He did it against Max. Hello? I think he means like when Are you still there?
00:22:35
Speaker
Win an event. Is that what you're saying, Race? Yeah. Are we are you here? Can you hear us? I've lost you guys. Hello? No, you... Well... We can hear you.
00:22:48
Speaker
We can hear you. Okay. No, I think... Dude, he he's taken second like eight times. over the last like two three years. You mean win something is what you're saying.
00:22:59
Speaker
I see what you're saying now. Except didn't he win didn't he didn't he win the Open?
00:23:07
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No, he lost to Max.
00:23:10
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but about the No, I'm talking about the year before. didn't he Wasn't he the one sitting Max? He beat Josh Barr to win the Open. That was so long ago. okay yeah That was like four or five seconds in place finishes ago.
00:23:25
Speaker
He did it. I understand what you're saying, but you know, ah it's weird to me to say, i don't know. I don't know if I fully agree with like, Oh, well he hasn't done it yet. And therefore I don't think he can do it.
00:23:39
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I do it. I've just, I watched him lose so many matches at the end over the last like two summers. It's just like, I don't know. It was burned in my brain.
00:23:53
Speaker
Different. Yeah. Even they were all like takedowns. Well, I think one was maybe an exposure. McAnally one. I... Yeah. I mean, like, Rocco Welsh...
00:24:11
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Doesn't do anything. Angelo Ferrari wrestles from a knee. it Doesn't do anything unless his opponent it does something. Max McAnally has good offense, but just kind of waits to pull the trigger.
00:24:22
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Just kind of doesn't go outside the box. um Yeah, and Silas Allred Dylan Fishback are just fighting to get up into that space, that that tier, that realm.
00:24:36
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So
00:24:39
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that's where I'm at. Ryan, are you frozen? um'm I'm still at four. Four guys in the in the one tier. I might be frozen. Rocco, Aiden, Max, ah Angelo. Yeah.
00:24:51
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Yeah. That makes sense to me.
00:24:55
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He is frozen. and Look at him. I can't have multiple tabs open.
00:25:01
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There he is. Takes me off. I'm sorry. Don't worry. Hey, one day this will be such a successful production. That we'll all have i such powerful laptops. and that's why that's why we need you listeners. If you're on YouTube, hit that subscribe button.
00:25:25
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Come on, guys. I thought we were getting on fin. Nope. fin? don't even know what that would do. ah thought were ah thought we were getting on the finn
00:25:34
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no rock fin
00:25:38
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don't even know what that would do yeah That would just put us behind a paywall. True. But yeah, i mean Rocco Welch is going win this match. It's not going to be
00:25:51
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a fun match, I don't think. No. Rocco Welch did negative negative things against Angelo Ferrari. I'm going to say it. Well, yeah, because that's how you beat Angelo Ferrari. Negative things. Yeah.
00:26:07
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I did not like it. I didn't like the match at all. And it's not really like, it's not more to blame on one side than the other. Yeah. they both just hear that styles The knee thing must be addressed.
00:26:22
Speaker
Yep. Uh, one 87 Josh bar came to McDaniel Camden. Camden is going to get taken to town. Pound town. Ooh.
00:26:37
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Might be interesting. Yeah. he might He might get effed. That'll be a rough match. It might be a major. um I think it might it could be a major.
00:26:53
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already wrote it down as a tech fall. actually it has been I think he's been teched by far. They've both been tech falls.
00:27:03
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ah Uh, yeah. And then at 285, AJ Ferrari is going to wrestle Cole Marisola. Hey, this match could be something.
00:27:15
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Probably. Give me Ferrari, I guess. I'm going to be very disappointed in AJ Ferrari if this match is something. Why? Cole's pretty good.
00:27:26
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I think about the match. I think about both of their matches with Keeter, and it makes me think that this match is going to be interesting.
00:27:35
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I feel like that match Cole had against
00:27:41
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Carol has really like skewed Cole for people. It skewed it for me. Yeah, but then he went out there and beat but then he went out there and beat Ben Keeter. That's what I'm saying. Soundly. That's what I'm saying. Soundly.
00:27:55
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Cole also lost and maybe to Nathan Taylor seven two Yeah, that meant that was goofy, though. was goofy match. Okay. Okay. You know who Ben Keeter's never lost to?
00:28:09
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Nick Feldman. ah Nick Feldman. That's crazy.
00:28:14
Speaker
Mind-blowing. Never lost. Never lost. I feel like we will for this year. No, they haven't. Do they?
Heavyweight Division Predictions
00:28:22
Speaker
Do they? Probably. um They haven't yet, but they will. They will wrestle. Next weekend.
00:28:32
Speaker
experience really I'm take Feldman in that match. i love like fdmans Feldman's looked way better this year than he did last year. I think he's healthier too. like He is going to be just ah just one of the best third place finishers we've seen in a while.
00:28:52
Speaker
Who's winning it young Younger. oh yeah. Forgot about that guy. Him and Trumbull will be in the finals.
00:29:02
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It wouldn't surprise me if Trumbull got upset. Everyone thinks so there's a lot of people out there that think Trumbull is like shoe in to win the whole thing. And I'm like, hmm. He looks like God right now.
00:29:13
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I don't know. I don't know if you agree with me, but. He looks what? Looks like God out there. God? i Younger. Younger looks pretty good, too. He did get taken down by Luke Rasmussen.
00:29:26
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He did. um don't think anybody's taken down Trumbull.
00:29:32
Speaker
Trembly bumbly. I'm trying to validate that statement. It's ACC though. It's a trash conference. hip Dude, ACC is probably pound for pound the the best conference right now.
00:29:46
Speaker
I was kidding. it was that was more will but That was a football joke more than wrestling. I know. Pound for pound? it's also like In terms of the the quality of the conference, they might have the the densest amount of quality.
00:30:02
Speaker
what's No. what's talking about You're talking about like like with ah the with the amount of schools they have? like considering hurt there's their Per capita? Per capita is what it means. That's the way I'm trying to to phrase this. Because really, they've got one bad team.
00:30:18
Speaker
It's Duke. Virginia's not great. Virginia could be better. Virginia could be better. But like Virginia Tech, NC State, UNC, Pittsburgh, Stanford.
00:30:34
Speaker
For five of your 17s, that's pretty dang good. Pretty good. Pretty dang good. The Big Ten, the big nobody challenges the Big Ten. However, they have 14 schools.
00:30:45
Speaker
That's not what you just said. That's not what you just said. Now you're backtracking. You're backpedaling.
00:30:52
Speaker
You're backpedaling. You were here, and now you're over here. Which one it? So what did i what did I say at first? Pound for pound. You did say prime a pound for pound.
00:31:03
Speaker
Yeah. Pound for pound is definitely not the right way to phrase it. They they are per capita. I don't know. Yeah, I guess. for for having set think Think about it this way.
00:31:16
Speaker
For having 70 guys go to conferences, go to ACC's, they're probably going to have the most qualify from their conference, the most percentage of their wrestlers.
00:31:29
Speaker
Whereas the SoCon, I think they they have nine teams. They're going to get 10 qualifiers. That's it. who oh and they they the socon is The SoCon is bad this year. It is bad. but we o the Yeah, you don't have to rag on the SoCon.
00:31:51
Speaker
We all knew this. prize how new The Mac and the SoCon suffered the hardest from the i just stuff. i don't I'm not happy about it, but it is a reality of this new age.
00:32:09
Speaker
Good kids used to leave great great programs and then go to like SoCon or Mac schools. You know what I mean? And then become big fish in small ponds. Now it's the other way around.
00:32:24
Speaker
And that's Nebraska versus Penn State. It is. What? No, I was saying. I was wrapping up. That that was that was the duel. That's the duel. We just previewed it. That's the duel.
00:32:36
Speaker
Let's move on to NC State, Virginia Tech.
00:32:41
Speaker
This will be a doozy. And it starts with a doozy. Is Vince finally going to get his
00:32:51
Speaker
I don't think so. He's 0-3. On Fast Eddie? He's 0-3, and I'm going to say the streak continues. He's 0-4. How do you know about Fast Eddie?
00:33:05
Speaker
Hmm? Where did you hear about Fast Eddie? Don't worry about it. Fast Eddie? Don't worry about Reese. don't what you two are talking about. andt worry about it.
00:33:16
Speaker
I'm taking... Ventresca to win that match. 4-1. Start things off hot for the Hokies. And then at 133 pounds, we get to see Aaron Seidel wrestle Zach Redding.
00:33:33
Speaker
This will be a Seidel beatdown. I've lost Ryan. Ryan's already done. He's tapped out after 30 minutes. That's not true. That's not true. i want i want to look stuff up. I can't open up a new tab. I got to look it up on my phone. Otherwise, my computer starts freaking out.
00:33:48
Speaker
Well, look at me. I'm doing the same thing.
00:33:52
Speaker
But I'm still... He didn't even know. He didn't even know. is hey is Aaron Seidel a contender? Yes. yes Yes.
00:34:04
Speaker
There's about nine of them at 133 pounds.
00:34:08
Speaker
But Crookham's out. Maybe 11. Oh, yeah. You got to subtract one. Sorry. Yeah. Crookham's out. for sure Crookham is out. For sure. Crookham is out. 100%. 100%. announced it for himself this time. I don't know if we're ever going to see a complete season from What did he do? What happened? it Oh, we're deaf we're definitely not going to see a complete season from him ever again. No.
00:34:32
Speaker
Did you just say it was his knee? I'm pretty sure. Yeah, it's always the knee. No, it was his elbow last It was shoulder or the elbow, yeah. Yeah, but you know what I mean. In high school, it was always his knees. It's because he does that crazy shit with it. You see the, yeah, like, it's it sucks. It's tragic.
00:34:51
Speaker
But Ryan Crookham abuses his knees like ah like a husband abuses his wife in the 60s. Like, it's brutal. Shit is dumb. Dumb to me. What do you know about the 60s?
00:35:04
Speaker
I don't know. just it Was it the fifties? What do you know about that time too? You weren't there. I don't know. It wasn't that when, when, when, what you when did women start to vote? You can't even, like we can't even, you can't even really claim the nineties.
00:35:18
Speaker
You weren't there for any of it. I was, I was there for, uh, 363 days of it.
00:35:28
Speaker
But, uh, yeah, Aaron Seidel's a contender. Ryan Crook comes out. That sucks. Uh, Get healthy, please, and stay healthy.
Potential Contenders and Junior College Wrestling
00:35:36
Speaker
Bro, just chill. Just give up a couple takedowns. Who cares? Give a couple takedowns. Look, you can blow your knee out on your path to an NCAA title.
00:35:47
Speaker
But when you're going to the Bloomsburg Open or whatever tournament you were at, the Bloomsbury Open, well, I'm taking you down. Yeah. Come on, man. Come on. Pride. Pride cometh before the fall, boys.
00:36:00
Speaker
Listen. Listen to us. Aaron Seidel is going to beat Zach Redding he's going to beat him bad. is aaron forty one He's going to keep up his, uh, his a hundred percent bos bonus rate. Yeah, he could. Is Aaron Seidel and Hodge talk the match against? No, the match against Tyler Knox was his first non tech or pin.
00:36:28
Speaker
What? Uh, Knox. Yeah. um Ryan Jack, Tom Crook. Ryan Jack has won this match the last four times that they've wrestled.
00:36:40
Speaker
No, six. He's 6-0. The last six times they've wrestled. Wow. ah you you can't You can't imagine that it's going to change now, right?
00:36:55
Speaker
You can. Could it? Hey. Will it? this is all This is all I'm going to say. Shout out, Isaac Jordan. I'm sorry. I'm putting you on blast here.
00:37:05
Speaker
Oh, come on. The man beat Taylor Walsh probably six times, and then on the seventh time got beat by him. Damn. We're going there.
00:37:17
Speaker
I'm just saying I've seen it happen, and it but it broke my heart. It broke my heart. worst part is that you can kind of see it coming. That was the worst part was that you felt it.
00:37:29
Speaker
tell something I didn't I believed in you until the very last second, Isaac. Same, same. Oh, well, I was kind of like, fuck, he's got to wrestle this dude again?
00:37:44
Speaker
But yeah, all right. No, Ryan Jack wins this match. Okay. I deem it so.
00:37:53
Speaker
And now at 149 pounds, Coy Biscons versus Colin Guy.
00:38:00
Speaker
It's Biscons. Koi won this match at the national duels. No. Yes. Probably. Did this match happen? He one loss. Yes.
00:38:11
Speaker
Huh? He only has one loss. Biscons. Biscons? Yep. Yeah. Biscons beat him 4-1. Oh, that's right. I am remembering this match now.
00:38:23
Speaker
It's back. Your memory's back? Yep, I do remember it now. He's back. And Koi Biscons has one loss. Who is it to? Ethan Stiles. And it was a kind of BS. Oh, I have to tell you guys something.
00:38:36
Speaker
When he's out there wrestling, Styles, it's not Ethan Styles. It's it's Looted. Okay. Oh, I knew that. Everybody knows that. Yeah, I learned this one.
00:38:47
Speaker
I heard about it last year.
00:38:51
Speaker
if you listen to frl you know you would know because that's literally ah all all they say. It's Looted. Now you know. he you know he That dude loves Styles.
00:39:03
Speaker
Big Styles fan. Who? tiles love Styles. Styles.
00:39:12
Speaker
Good stuff. ah do you guys want to hear toy biskins do you guys want to hear a story about about Styles older brother? yes sure He, this was, this would have been, what see what year was this? 2023, 2022, 23, that wrestling season.
00:39:34
Speaker
He took second in JUCOs for Harper. Jake Stiles did, okay. At the beginning of the year, he showed up to our campus, Iowa Central's, okay.
00:39:46
Speaker
moved in to one of our dorms. All right. And the next day we were going to get them all signed up for classes. He was going to sign his ah LOI. He was going to wrestle. he was going to a Triton. He's wrestle for us.
00:39:59
Speaker
In the middle of the night, he packed his stuff and went back to Illinois. And then he ah wrestled for Harper. How'd he do? you do He took a second.
00:40:12
Speaker
Um, which he, and, and we, and our guy didn't place, but, um, here's the, here's the weird part. Here's the weird part. Harper is a division three junior college, which means they can't give athletic scholarship.
00:40:28
Speaker
That's where, that's where it gets fishy. That's where you're like, Hmm, we were going to give him a lot of money. Was there, are there, there's their division one, division two, division three in Juco? Yes.
00:40:42
Speaker
Oh my God. Yes. um Most of our sports are division two. We have a handful of division ones. ah Division one is full scholarship.
00:40:55
Speaker
Division two, you can't give room and board you can pay for tuition. can't do room and board. Division three is no scholarship at all. I can learn something new today.
00:41:05
Speaker
Through athletics. Yeah. Learn something new today. Nice. Nice.
00:41:12
Speaker
Reese, did you know that?
00:41:16
Speaker
I was muted. mut You were muted. was like, why isn't he answering me? Are you guys D1? So in wrestling and wrestling, there is only division, there's only scholarship and non-scholarship, so D1 and D3.
00:41:35
Speaker
There's no Division 2. We do have a handful of sports, like our volleyball is Division 2.
00:41:44
Speaker
i The more you know. yeah ah Lesson in sports administration from Ryan Coakley. Coach Coakley at Iowa Central.
00:41:54
Speaker
you as of to As of today, ranked number one, by the way. I saw it on Twitter. You were second. I'm sorry. No, you didn't.
00:42:06
Speaker
Twitter doesn't lie. Okay. Did you make that up for real? I'm being dead serious. All right. Well, go to the open mat. Open up the open mat right now. Go to the JUCO men's rankings, pull up team, and tell me what it says.
00:42:20
Speaker
I'm afraid if I open up another tab, my computer's going explode. No, no, no, no. that no in the center That's only my computer. Fine. I'll do it on my phone. I hate you. No. Okay. I'll do it. I'll do it. Hang on. team number one?
00:42:32
Speaker
Indian Hills. Not anymore. I'm saying what I saw on Twitter today. Twitter lied Iowa Central. Ryan.
00:42:44
Speaker
Indian Hills is number one right now. Are you serious? team duel In team duel. No, no, no, no, no. duel Team tournament. That's the one that matters. Team tournament. Indian Hills is like fourth now. You're number one. Yep. They had a they had a ah they beat Iowa Western last night, but they they took a couple L's at some at some weight classes, and that dropped some of their individuals.
00:43:03
Speaker
Who is that handsome, handsome man that they have a for the photo? That's the man, the myth, the legend. That's the man right there. That's Luke Moffitt, head coach extraordinaire.
00:43:18
Speaker
um big ten Big Ten champion, Luke Moffitt. OW, Luke Moffitt. That was our Iowa Central. That was our Triton intermission.
00:43:31
Speaker
Now we get back to the NC State-Virginia Tech duel. Koi Biskins is going to beat Colin Guy again somehow, someway. As we move on to 157 pounds, see... the guy He could be the guy to beat Shane McInnes.
00:43:47
Speaker
Coy could, but probably not. He could do it. But he could. I don't know. What makes you think that? You know, hope. that's fair okay
00:44:02
Speaker
railroad that funny You know, 157, Ethan Miller, Luca Felix. This is, this is Ethan Miller's match to win pretty handedly and lose.
00:44:14
Speaker
well And Will we see, we have Will Denny at 165 for NC state. Will we see Burton Denny?
00:44:27
Speaker
Ryan, you are both the Millers at 57? No.
00:44:34
Speaker
Yes. Where's Cal? Is Cal red-shirting? Is he red-shirting at Maryland still? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Forgot about him.
00:44:45
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:48
Speaker
Because when he... when When Carter Young put Shane Van Ness on his back... I was like, oh, one of the Miller brothers doing that thing to Shane Van Ness again. And I was like, oh, no, that's no different, different. Ethan.
00:45:03
Speaker
Ethan should have beat him at NCAA. Graham should have beat him. Yeah. And then thankfully, dude, if Yanni lost that match. Oh, oh.
00:45:15
Speaker
Oh. um Yeah. Will we see? Will we see Ryan Burton for Virginia Tech? Why wouldn't we? Will Denny's kind of on a tear right now. Will Denny will then he beat the brakes off of Bryce Heppner, who's having a solid season.
00:45:31
Speaker
Well, who's beating Will Denny? Mack Church. Has he even been hurt? Is that the deal?
00:45:41
Speaker
Or is Burton just that good? i Well, burton Burton's good, but he's a freshman. I think they're keeping him in red shirt. ah No. Mack Church wrestled at the Appalachian Open this last weekend. You got to figure if Burton is the better guy.
00:45:56
Speaker
Burton's probably the better guy, but I think they are kind of holding their cards. He's got 24 matches on the year. That's pretty good. That's crazy. the The standard now, if you want to have a solid season, a solid number of matches in a season, 25.
00:46:14
Speaker
25 is right there. Nice. I mean, he's got like 10 more matches than literally like everybody else in the top 20. Yeah. Brian, you said something, but it didn't. I, I, you're like not muted, but I can't hear you. So they're going to raise your rates.
00:46:30
Speaker
We're back. Um, yes. Uh, one 65 NC state Virginia tech will Denny Mack church. Uh, Ryan, you were saying something about match counts.
00:46:44
Speaker
Yeah. Ryan Burton. How many, how many dates has he used? Reese. Dude, he has 24 matches. That's not my question. That doesn't answer the question. I know.
00:46:57
Speaker
Come on, Reese. Five, probably. Well, that's all. Or four. Between four and five. He wrestled at the Southeast Open. Not sure if that was attached. He wrestled at national duels. That was attached.
00:47:12
Speaker
ah Well, I guess if you wrestle in the first semester, those you have to be attached as ah as a freshman, right? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Southeast open national duels, Keystone classic.
00:47:25
Speaker
I don't know if Midlands championships counts.
00:47:31
Speaker
So, and then Stanford, Virginia tech. So at least four, maybe five with Midlands. I don't know if Midlands counts or not
00:47:39
Speaker
I can tell you right now. So there's that. I'm going to, I'm going to assume we see Mac church and I'm going to assume we will Denny, Willie Denny wins that match. He's looked good.
00:47:56
Speaker
He has looked good. Wait, you said Will Denny over Burton? No, he said Will Denny over Mac Church. Mac Church. When Burton wrestles. That's a different story.
00:48:07
Speaker
I don't think Burton's going to wrestle.
00:48:11
Speaker
If he has a date, he's wrestling. ah Burton majored Will Denny the last time they wrestled. right. I'm checking right now. Track.
00:48:24
Speaker
Holy crap. He majored him? yeah ah yeah Damn. And then 174.
00:48:37
Speaker
Matt Singleton's got Sergio Desiante. I think he is going to beat him up. That's another visit to Pound Town. Another visit Pound Town. And then Jaden Bullock...
00:48:49
Speaker
wrestles donald cates he wins that match maybe he doesn't though it'll be close but i think bullock's got it then we got sunny sasso patrick brophy who this is just a height thing i'm pretty sure sonny's taller uh they wrestled each other earlier this month and brophy won 12 to 6. where was brophy at before Huh?
00:49:21
Speaker
He's a transfer, right? though The Citadel. ah Run it back. Sonny Sasso not having as good of a year as I thought he was going to have.
00:49:33
Speaker
That's the way I see it. Is Brophy, don't even, is he in in here? Right? He might not be. Dude, I have, I'm counting six dates for Burton.
00:49:46
Speaker
Six? Six? Well, your math is off, buddy. What are you seeing? what Tell me. Tell me. What are seeing? Your math is off. OK.
00:50:00
Speaker
I mean, no it says he's wrestled November 2nd, November 15th, November 23rd, December 29th, 30th, which is one date.
00:50:13
Speaker
um January 9th, January 23rd. OK. Does the ninth count attached? it says It doesn't say unattached next to it. says Virginia Tech.
00:50:30
Speaker
Interesting.
00:50:34
Speaker
Where was the ninth? what was Where were they on the ninth? The David Lehman F&M Open.
Team Changes and Transfers Speculation
00:50:40
Speaker
Yeah, they were probably he was probably unattached there. Okay. It's confusing because normally they put unattached next to it. so Bottom line, ain't wrestling is what you're saying.
00:50:52
Speaker
Or he is because he's used as because he's because he's in the past. He's at 12 in the rankings. No, because he's he's literally like that's a good burn his shirt.
00:51:05
Speaker
Good sign that he's a you know, if there's any discrepancy, the fact that he's in the rankings tells and he's probably wrestling.
00:51:14
Speaker
dude It's crazy that Patrick Brophy isn't ranked well. he is i missed him. He's 25th. What is he on Intermat, wherever you are?
00:51:26
Speaker
25th. And then what's Sonny Sasso? Higher. Where is he? 16th. and I know we kind of talked about this.
00:51:39
Speaker
Dang. I know we kind of talked about this, yeah text messages or whatever, but... It does make me a little sad that Sonny just didn't. I just, I really thought, honestly, there was a part of me that was like, Sonny might be better than Sammy.
00:51:55
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, being at 197, it's possible. ah And then he, dude, when he smashed Joey Novak at national duels, I was like, hell yeah.
00:52:07
Speaker
He's got know You know how rare it is to stand out at a weight like 197? Yeah. yeah yeah i don't scott how many people jump levels just gotta bump up from 184 eat half a cow and josh bar exactly for a certain state college masoma yeah until he lost
00:52:34
Speaker
he might have been that good at the whole the whole time though even then when he was in d3 it really it really did No. you know Speaking of him, did you guys see the news today?
00:52:44
Speaker
he got better when yes he's in the portal He got better when he was ah when he started going into getting into the room. for sure Iowa what iowa what does. They do well developing bigger guys. feel like Where do you think he's going?
00:53:02
Speaker
I don't know. don't care. i think he's going to go to Iowa State. I'm over it. so That would not be surprising. It's going to be sour grapes next year, isn't it?
00:53:19
Speaker
Sour grapes for the Hawkeyes? Like, it's just not going to be as feel-good of a story. Oh, all right. Let's... what What do you believe from what you've been hearing, what you've seen on social media? and you know do is Do we really believe the whole ah he didn't show up to his meeting or practice or because he had to have because he went to you know be there for the birth of his child and then Brands kicked him off the team? Are we really believing that?
00:53:49
Speaker
No.
00:53:51
Speaker
No, I don't think Tom Brands is that. I think he's more sensible than that. That almost feels like you could sue somebody for that kind of stuff. do So what do you think that is? Do you think it was just NIO? Or, yeah.
00:54:05
Speaker
Well, I mean... No, I think there's a huge chunk of the story that we're never going to know about. There's a huge truth that we're never really going to know about. here's Not publicly. i Here's what I'm expecting to be... Like, I don't... Like, I'm...
00:54:22
Speaker
Ryan is right. We're never going to know what's, what had really gone down. And I think what the coaching staff is doing is kind of what their overarching philosophy is that, that they don't really get a whole lot of credit for, which is that the the fact that they protect their athletes, you know, even when they aren't their athletes anymore, like they're not going to do anything to hurt and Dean or throw him under the bus or damage his name. They're just going to say he's no longer with the team. Sometimes these things work. Sometimes they don't.
00:54:51
Speaker
That's it. And that's all there is to it.
00:54:56
Speaker
But it wouldn't surprise me if this was a situation where they were told that he was fine. He got a doctor from outside Iowa that said he wasn't okay. And so he was talking about a medical red shirt and all of these conversations went down. It involved more money and it was this whole thing.
00:55:18
Speaker
yeah Well, that's the other thing too, right? How are you going to say, i would like a medical red shirt and I would also like to be paid more? Yeah, right. i don't ah but So again, i don't believe that conversation really happened like people are saying it might have.
00:55:35
Speaker
Yeah, i like i think i think we've gotten a lot of ah exaggerated possibilities. Yeah, and then there's a bunch of TikTok wannabes on there that that come out there with the story. They think they know what they're talking about and they're just freaking making stuff up just to stir the pot. Some will get propped up by people with with louder voices on other platforms. and It's a whole thing. so like My recommendation is...
00:56:02
Speaker
Be careful trusting anything, literally any source on this situation. Yes. Including, including, including the source. You know what I mean? Yeah.
00:56:16
Speaker
Uh, unless you hear it from, unless you hear one side of the story, whether it's in Dean's or brands, which you're not going to hear anything from Tom or Terry, uh,
00:56:27
Speaker
and and And so what you take away from it is it didn't work out. We're going to see in Dean wrestle next year. He might look better. He might look worse. He might look the same, but I do speculate on where he's going end up. Who's going to actually ah go after him.
00:56:42
Speaker
I think a lot of people should because he still is a talent. Obviously he's somebody who can finish on the podium for you. Hey, you got, you got to think with the family thing, he's going to stick around Iowa.
00:56:56
Speaker
With the kid thing. I mean, that his whole his whole deal was like he didn't want to be ah away from his home state or whatever. He's from Texas. yeah think he's from He's from Texas, went to Lakes, went to Wartburg.
00:57:13
Speaker
And he left Iowa. Well, Iowa is now his home. So that's where he'll stay.
00:57:23
Speaker
I mean, I think they could look if, if let's say if ah let's say if Oklahoma State paid him a bag to go wrestle down in Stillwater next year. He'll move for that.
00:57:37
Speaker
He'll move for that. get You'll get your family down there. Yeah, David Taylor's not going do that, though. No, he's not. um i'm just I'm just giving an example of some of like a place where you'd have to travel.
00:57:48
Speaker
Yeah. I like Iowa State. That makes sense. Iowa State makes sense. A school like Michigan would make sense.
00:57:58
Speaker
Maybe Ohio State. Michigan Tech. they're The mercenaries. Michigan mercenaries.
00:58:06
Speaker
Dude. for for virginia I mean, Sonny Sasso is still good. But if Virginia Tech got him in at 197? That'd be pretty cool. They need to. that Dude, where do they they got they got some money.
00:58:17
Speaker
They got some reserves. Yes, they do. Now they need to find it. They need a 74 or 84. They need more bigger guys. They need to go after bigger dudes. Because the bottom half is great, but you need bigger guys if you want to win a title.
00:58:34
Speaker
Yeah. They're going so freaking good next year. It's going so awesome. Exciting. I heard Melvin Miller's reclassifying. Yes. I'm sure a lot of people believe it's going to happen.
00:58:47
Speaker
I heard. Well, you're not going to, you're not buying it. I've heard that there might be some academic constraints that they're dealing with. They'll get, they'll figure it out. They got to figure it out, but.
00:58:59
Speaker
It's Virginia Tech. We're not talking about, you know. North Carolina. We're talking about North Carolina. I mean, yeah, even North Carolina, that's a better, much better school than Virginia virginia Tech.
00:59:12
Speaker
I think. Yeah, you don't know. Academically. They've got a pretty good 54.8% acceptance rate for Virginia tech Reese.
00:59:22
Speaker
It's pretty low. What's UNC is for sure lower. I think it's, it's in the thirties. I'm pretty sure might be lower than that. Well, I just know that Virginia is the the better school or whatever.
00:59:39
Speaker
Well, yeah. tech urban Virginia, Virginia, uva Virginia, between Virginia and Virginia tech. Yeah. Yes. And then between UNC and cn NC State, it's UNC?
00:59:50
Speaker
Well, yeah. NC State might have the highest acceptance rate out of the ACC schools.
00:59:57
Speaker
Fascinating. Oh, nope. I was wrong. I was wrong. They're lower. They're lower than Virginia Tech, but not lower than UNC. UNC was 16. NC State is 41.7.
01:00:10
Speaker
way better what ncs nc state it' forty one point seven The University of North Carolina has a 16% acceptance rate. That's read. They're a good school.
01:00:21
Speaker
Oh, my God. Yeah, you didn't know that. that's very That's tight. They're pretty prestigious. Their acceptance rate is snatched. yeah
01:00:34
Speaker
That is. Okay. Let's figure it out. beyond why no I hate that, Sammy. I hate it. Stop using it. I hate it. Speaking of NC State, Isaac Trumbull beats Jimmy Mullen. This will be a really good duel. This is going to be a duel that that coming down to head every single match, every single point is going to matter.
01:00:54
Speaker
so Yes, Penn State and Nebraska is going to be intriguing for some of the individual matchups, and NC State, Virginia Tech as well, but for the actual outcome of the duel, I think Virginia Tech, NC State kind of packs it all in together.
01:01:08
Speaker
So I'm excited for that one. Now, let's get to the last one that we're really interested in. Dude, I don't know.
01:01:21
Speaker
i shouldn't We've been going. as been I know, but I got. No, I mean, we can. we can you know You know what, Reese? You know what, Reese? You know what, Reese? Traders isn't traders isn't going anywhere.
01:01:33
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. but It doesn't matter. Traders isn't going anywhere. All right.
01:01:40
Speaker
Okay. Okay. like All right. We're doing it. You like that? ah don't care. like that, Jamie? All right. Oklahoma State, Iowa State. Maybe I'll go somewhere.
01:01:52
Speaker
You won't. Troy Spratley, Richard Figueroa. Troy Spratley, Steve O'Poulin.
01:02:00
Speaker
Wrong. Give me Troy. Give me Troy in this matchup that has happened once.
01:02:08
Speaker
It's Spratley. My major. Give me Troy. By decision. So you know Troy Spratley is from New York originally? Yeah. Yep. We found that one out today on Twitter, Ryan.
01:02:22
Speaker
Picture of both of them with Mohawks. I wanted to quote tweet in and say this was actually both of them when when they were 17.
01:02:31
Speaker
yes
01:02:35
Speaker
What about the next match, though? Jax, Forrest, Evan, Frost. This is, this will tell us things. We will know a lot more from this match. So Forrest is a, so Forrest is a full go. They're just going.
01:02:49
Speaker
Why not? They're going, but they, I mean, they can pull back. They can pull back at any time. They're not going to. The red shirt is not like fully pulled until big 12s. You think they're going to, you, you think that won't go with them?
01:03:04
Speaker
I mean, look, if he goes out there and loses to Evan Frost and loses to Aaron Seidel— He's not losing to Evan Frost.
01:03:12
Speaker
Reese, you're asking me a question, and I'm saying if this happens— Wait, yeah're you're saying if as if it's, like, even remotely a chance. there Yeah, it is a chance. Evan Frost is good. what Yeah, what the what's what's your gripe with Evan Frost?
01:03:28
Speaker
Yeah, well, I'm just not pretending, like— i'm just I guess I'm just not pretending. like is Are you putting him in the tier? Are you putting him in the wins-it-all tier? Can-win-it-all tier?
01:03:40
Speaker
Yes. Who's beating him this year? He's lost, has he not? Divino is his only loss. Divino, Okay. Dude, he's losing to Jacks Forrest. He's in the tier.
01:03:55
Speaker
He's losing handedly to Jacks Forrest. You think he handedly loses? now let him just let him Just let him say his thing, Sam, and if he's wrong, then we'll make him eat shit, okay? His training partner, Ortega, apparently apparently they got some good film out of that match.
01:04:13
Speaker
I'm going to say this. was right about him going. So was willie Willie. Willie needs apologies from so many people. So many people need to apologize to Willie. Sammy?
01:04:25
Speaker
sammy I mean, ah Willie Saylor is right, and David Taylor knows more than me. That doesn't mean that that that maybe it means it was the right choice. I don't know. Here's the deal. if if Because if they somehow wrestle in March in Cleveland and they don't trophy and Jacks Forrest doesn't win a national title, I will i will i will confidently say that this was the wrong choice. The wait is not going to get easier next year. yeah No. And here's the deal. And here's the other deal, Sammy. It makes sense when it when you come when you're talking about stretching out eligibility, especially with all the guys that they come in, because Jax is not going to be a 33 forever.
01:05:03
Speaker
No way. Right. I agree. but So if you if we have to stretch out eligibility, I mean, they're they're loaded. They're loaded right now in the 25, 33, 41 pound range, 49. Yes.
01:05:14
Speaker
yeah So it makes sense. it makes sense to start them right now. wrestle red shirt him next year wrestle ronnie and one of the rainies at 41 okay
01:05:27
Speaker
okay and and so the point that you mentioned though is so like i agree with the eligibility part and you can't ignore that um and that surely has a factor but reese said the weight's not getting any easier and i agree with that but jack's force isn't going to be a 33 pounder you don't think he'll be a 33 pounder next year he could be but i think they're not going to use him i think they're gonna use ronnie next year dude jet If Jax knows what's good for him, he's going to fill that frame out.
01:05:53
Speaker
Especially if he wants to wrestle 65 kilos and in 2028. Tell that to Kevin Jack.
01:06:01
Speaker
ke Kevin Jack, you never won a national title. You're talking about Jax Forrest as if you weren't being... As if you weren't totally disingenuously pretending like...
01:06:14
Speaker
Vito wasn't big for his weight for whatever weight he was at. They're built the exact same. And you were always like, well, we'd be like, they're not built the They're not built the same.
01:06:27
Speaker
They're not built same. Nah. It certainly looked like it to me. I mean, Vito is lanky, but he's like, his arms and legs are long, but his torso isn't like quite as long as Jack's. I feel like.
01:06:41
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. they're both They're both skinny, lanky dudes. I also feel like Vito has a lot more muscle in the leg region than Jax does.
01:06:55
Speaker
And Vito's 26. We're talking about when he was in when he was in college, I'm talking about. And Vito started out 25 and worked his way up to 33. Yeah. Yeah, but whenever I brought up the fact that he needed to go up weight, whatever weight he was at, whenever I brought it up, you were like, what?
01:07:19
Speaker
Who? When did Vito? When? Like whenever he was out. No, when did you bring it up that he should move up from 33 to 41? You never brought that up. Vito. I know. You never mentioned Vito should go from 33 to 41. Never.
01:07:35
Speaker
I'm saying you never did. What are you talking about? Maybe you said that about. I'm talking about 35 to 33. Okay. But you said any time I've mentioned Vito has outgrown the weight. Like you mentioned, he probably should have went up to 41 at some point in time. Okay.
01:07:50
Speaker
All right. i you're okay I meant like – yeah, because Ryan's like – didn't say every single time he needed to move up.
01:08:02
Speaker
He needed to – I pointed it out. I said it whenever I said it. i'm trying to I'm trying to make the point of like whenever I said it because I don't remember what I said it about or what weight.
01:08:14
Speaker
i'm I'm going to go ahead and say that everybody thought that Vito would outgrow 125 at one point. Except for, I'm just saying, Sammy was someone who was saying, no i know i know and so and and I understand what Reese is saying. And I think this was my thought process at the time.
01:08:31
Speaker
what i When I was seeing Vito lose at 125, in my mind, it was not because of the weight cut. In my mind, it was. But that is that is where I was with that.
01:08:42
Speaker
His freshman year, it was definitely not because of the weight cut. Okay, but eventually it was, and he needed to move up. His sophomore year, it was not because of the weight cut. Okay, well, eventually it was.
01:08:54
Speaker
Eventually. whenever and then he moved independently did And then he moved up. He lost. It was a a weight cut There was a weight cut issue at certain points. Did he lose to Pat Gore in the quarters?
01:09:06
Speaker
No, it was the semis. And it wasn't because he was cutting too much weight. He lost to Pat Gore because he he made a brain fart. It was a brain fart. Yeah, he also kind of got screwed over. but Dude, i mean he's had plenty of bad performances.
01:09:20
Speaker
bad performances In my mind, due to cutting too much weight. Yeah, I still think there's a merit to the idea that he needed to go up.
01:09:30
Speaker
That's fair. and So Jack's force could probably do it for a year or two. What, wrestle 133 this year and then move up? ah cause i mean But I also think it makes sense for the timeline because you've got two years to to be a full 65.
01:09:48
Speaker
What do you mean? twenty twelve for they were theys talking about He's talking about moving jacks up to sixty five at least one the olympics yes
01:10:02
Speaker
yeah your olympic weight he's not go to move down to fifty seven ah so i mean it it just makes it the the stars align for that um So probably wrestle him this year then and then put him up to 141. Yeah. Oh, oh, what I said of of like. The initial point was you owe Willie an apology. I know. And I said, and i and i said Willie was right.
01:10:24
Speaker
And David Taylor is obviously better at at being a coach than I am. But if. Formal, formal apology. Willie Saylor, I'm sorry. Thank you. But if through whatever means Oklahoma State doesn't get a trophy this year and Jax Forrest doesn't win a national title, I don't feel good about the choice.
01:10:42
Speaker
That is where I stand. He's probably – I mean, dude, I don't i don't think – I don't know if he does win a national title. I think, like, odds-wise, would have to go with, like, if there was a favorite, I would say Marcus Blaze is a favorite.
01:10:57
Speaker
Keep doubting him, boys, just like you were doubting him last year. Me?
01:11:05
Speaker
Doubting him about what? i mean, we all were, but making him making the senior team. i so I will still count him out this year. I think it all it all ended up in his favor. i think things kind of just ended fell in his favor.
01:11:18
Speaker
Now, i i just you know you have you have resources that are very time-limited when you're a college coach.
01:11:30
Speaker
And maybe, you know what, maybe this this is the most effective use of them, right? Because you have the logjam and that's not going to go away. But I don't know if in my mind I can consider it a success or the right choice if it, yes, it does give you your best team, but your best team does still doesn't get you a trophy.
01:11:52
Speaker
okay Whereas he would have the opportunity to gray shirt or red shirt. What kind of trophy are you talking about? Let me tell you something about Oklahoma State's team, by the way. They're a much better tournament team than they are a dual team.
01:12:05
Speaker
Yeah. and Are you talking about top four? Yeah, yeah, a trophy from interior. finishing top four, dude, if Jack's Forrest wrestles.
01:12:15
Speaker
I mean, it's not it's not a lock. It feels like it. Dude, it's – I mean, things can go wrong. Things can go wrong. Sure. And it's it is it is a it is a it is not – it is a competitive race to get a trophy this year.
01:12:32
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like theyre have they're a better team than they were last year. That's kind of how I feel. And I think there are a lot of other teams that are better teams this year. you So Penn State obviously is is first. There's nothing changing that.
01:12:46
Speaker
I would say Iowa's in the race, but they're really not. Ohio State, Iowa State, um Oklahoma State, Nebraska, if they can kind of put things together. Dude, I don't think – I think it's the only team you have to worry about are the only teams, Penn State, Nebraska,
01:13:07
Speaker
in Ohio state. I don't, and that still leaves them in the top four. I don't think there are any other state being there. I i don't think Iowa state, i don't know. They got to get healthy.
01:13:18
Speaker
Yeah. Elam and Zerbin are people that I hear are not going to be resting this weekend. I don't know. I,
01:13:29
Speaker
I honestly, you know where this is coming from. I'm, I'm frustrated about this. You're just a hater. Huh?
Challenging Penn State: Strategy and Frustrations
01:13:37
Speaker
You're a cowboy hater. You hate cowboys. not cowboy hater. I'm not a cowboy hater.
01:13:41
Speaker
You hate cowboys. But a matter of fact, i like I like Oklahoma State Cowboys. I'm just trying to be realistic.
01:13:51
Speaker
Realistic about what? I saw a tweet today about Oklahoma State reasonably beating Ohio State in a duel. You don't think they could? I don't understand that at all.
01:14:05
Speaker
Well, Nebraska almost did. It involved saying things like like ah the locks for Oklahoma State are Swiderski beating Styles and Robodeau beating Cannon. It's like those aren't locks.
01:14:20
Speaker
You're out of your mind if you think that's the case. Yeah. Those are toss-ups. But they could totally beat Ohio State.
01:14:29
Speaker
Here's what I think, guys. You know what I think? Yep. Nebraska almost beat them. I think Ohio State. Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa State and Oklahoma State need to team up, join forces to take down Penn State.
01:14:47
Speaker
Dude, it sucks because that might not even be enough.
01:14:53
Speaker
Yeah, they have six number ones. Yeah. And two of them aren't Marcus Blaze or P.J. Duke. I get it. But 25 is super volatile.
01:15:09
Speaker
184 is a toss up.
01:15:12
Speaker
Yeah, Rocky could be first. He could be fourth or fifth. yeah Yeah. Jackson Joy can be Shane Van Ness. He's about our our last hope. Same with Simon Ruiz beating Levi Haynes. Mira Solem could not place.
01:15:29
Speaker
Could. Could. I wouldn't bet on it. I would definitely bet on Mirasola placing. But he could I could see him not. 41. They're probably not going to get an AA at 41. No, probably not.
01:15:47
Speaker
You said probably not?
01:15:51
Speaker
Probably not. Yeah, probably not. Probably not. It just would suck, dude. It's going to be so annoying when somebody points out the fact that, ah yeah, there's no combination of like 10 wrestlers that outscores the team that Penn State put together this year. I'm not saying it has to be a combination of 10 wrestlers. I'm not saying it has to be that. I'm not saying has to be that.
01:16:19
Speaker
I'm just saying that we just need, you know, we need We need state guys get to get beat. We need to unionize the, the working class wrestlers against the bourgeoisie.
01:16:37
Speaker
Sure. Okay. Sure. Okay. 141 Oklahoma state, Iowa state. Oh, so what what are we thinking for 33? jack's for he's I'm still going with Jack's forest. I don't, I don't. yeah It took us a long time. not It took us a long time to get there, but we got there.
01:16:56
Speaker
I was never, i was never not going to go Jack's forest, but it's not a lock. He's the pick, but it's still an interesting match.
Etchemendia's Background and Match Predictions
01:17:07
Speaker
I agree. It could also it could also it could also very well not be an interesting match. So yeah, me thinks I'm going to go right away and then that's it.
01:17:19
Speaker
What? Like I think it is slide by take. I think he's just we you think Jackson's going to stop. Stop. You think he's just going to be like, all right, i' not stop scoring. But it's like, OK, the lead just grows from there. It's like, oh, yeah, just won the match in the first 10 seconds.
01:17:34
Speaker
That's exactly what's going to happen.
01:17:37
Speaker
Suddenly, Eddie Ross is not in the title conversation. are these They both went to the same high school, correct? Vega and Etchemendia?
01:17:48
Speaker
The Sunnyside guys? Are they both Sunnyside Academy people? Etchemendia, Was he? I think Etchimendia was Sunnyside Academy. thought he was in Colorado. No, no.
01:18:00
Speaker
Arizona. Almost positive he was Sunnyside kid. He definitely wasn't Valiant Prep, but.
01:18:10
Speaker
He was definitely not a Colorado kid. We can say that much. Oh, you know why he's in Colorado? Because the first time I saw him. Was at Rocky Mountain National Duels. Yeah, yeah that's why. And he wrestled Trevor Dobbs.
01:18:22
Speaker
It was a weird. Trevor Dobbs? That's who he wrestled. The 184 pounder for Oklahoma State, Trevor Dobbs? I was there. I coached it. That's crazy.
01:18:35
Speaker
and then And then he wrestled the next day at the Rocky Mountain National Tournament, and he got beat on the front side. Do you know who beat him? ah Yes. Yes, I know the name.
01:18:48
Speaker
What it? Terrell Baraclaw. Yeah, there you go
01:18:56
Speaker
Who you got? Echimedia or Vega? Yeah, give me Echimedia. Give Vega!
Comparative Analysis: Vega, Mendez, and Hardy
01:19:05
Speaker
Vega. You just say that because you love One Piece.
01:19:10
Speaker
so much vega punk this will be this will be a very huge a very big contrast between strength and length thank and i think etremendia wins it but stronger a huge test this will be a huge indication for us to be able to know can sergio vega be considered tier one with jesse mendez probably not but maybe
01:19:37
Speaker
why Why isn't the Brock Hardy matches enough for you? Because it's Brock Hardy. Well, like, um'm I'm saying can Sergio, right now, right now it is Jesse Mendez, all on his own up there, way up there. We can't reach him.
01:19:54
Speaker
But can Sergio Vega, by handling it, Jesse Mendez, up there himself? vega vega Vega and Mendez have both wrestled Hardy twice this year. Okay?
01:20:05
Speaker
Hear me out. Okay. Mendez. I already know where you're going. Decision. Major decision. Vega. Major decision. Fall. Just saying. Sad boy hours at national duels for Nebraska doesn't count. Pin.
01:20:19
Speaker
Luck. Counts. Both counts. Lucas. Both counts. Lucas. Pin. Luck. And you know why? Because Brock Hardy's coming for that title in March. I'm with you. I'm so with you. I'm glad. Dude. Yeah. I'm not getting off the hardy party. I'm off the hardy party. Until this comes to a rolling stop. I'm of it. You dude, it's people like Israel Thomas.
01:20:43
Speaker
You know, people like that who just piss me off and make me want to just ride the Hardy train all the way. I got i got i got off the i got off of it after Mendez. I was like, if he can keep still keep it close with Mendez, I'll stay on it. But Mendez blew him out of the water. he's It's the regular season, bro. He'll he'll be he'll be somewhere else He'll be at a different level.
01:21:09
Speaker
Big 10s. Okay. okay Okay. 149. Casey Swiderski, Jacob Frost. These two did wrestle each other back in 2023 where Casey Swiderski won at 9-4. However, their most recent results, Swiderski got majored by Aiden Valencia where Jacob Frost traded 4-3 matches with Aiden Valencia.
01:21:24
Speaker
There's some familiarity between these two as well. And these guys were teammates at some point. Give me Frost. Give me Frost. Give me Durski.
01:21:37
Speaker
Ryan's been looking pretty good lately. Give me the Dursky. Seth Mendoza win. That's pretty good. He's going to him. I'm going check you, boy. Two Dursk wins.
01:21:49
Speaker
Two wins? yep Yeah, two Dursk wins. Yeah, he beat him at the Cougar Clash and then beat him at the Duel. was there How bad was that? Both of them were like one takedown matches. Yeah.
01:22:01
Speaker
yeah The first one, Casey hit him with that blast double that he hit Koi Biscons with, and there was blood all over the mat. They cleaned it up, and it was just like stoppage after stoppage.
01:22:13
Speaker
That should have been a loss for Koi Biscons. Why? That was controversial. um Well, he had one he had a loss that shouldn't have been a loss, so it all evened out, I guess.
01:22:26
Speaker
I guess you're right. Yeah, good point. 157, Landon Rubideau, and then hopefully Vince Zerbin, but we haven't seen him for a while because his knee got banged up as CKLV.
01:22:37
Speaker
I go Landon either way. Either way, yeah. either i if it's And if it's Kane, Naktamoren, I think Landon probably gets a major. Landon, smash.
01:22:50
Speaker
I will say this. 165, Lydarian, Lockett, Connor, Uten. Can Uten... surprise maybe please no you are a hater me no i'm not a hater dude i i i bought stock in newton before the cyhawk duel and then i fucking tanked tanked so oh you bought stock yeah just like the mj stock
01:23:21
Speaker
I never bought stock, maybe. you were like, guy's done double. never outright said I'm buying stock, but I just figuratively did buy stock. yeah Yeah, that was stupid. Well, you know, I was a victim of the moment there. because it's like you go It's like when you go and and you watch a practice and you're like, my god these guys look so good.
01:23:44
Speaker
and you know, you get like your your blinders on and you realize it's just a practice. Of course it looked good.
01:23:53
Speaker
You know what i'm saying? Yes. I understand. 174.
01:24:00
Speaker
Give me Kendo. Give me Guyton. Yeah, Kondo can't finish his freaking shots, dude. i don't know if you guys yeah watched. You guys should go to iowa the Iowa PBS stream and go watch the Humboldt or go watch the Iowa State, South Dakota State match at Humboldt High. What do you do?
01:24:20
Speaker
yeah what do you do I mean, it just wasn't, am I mean, honestly, like he could have lost that match. He ended up winning it. Oh, he won. yeah He didn't look great.
01:24:32
Speaker
End of story. won. He didn't look great. He didn't look I need Fakundo to win this match because he needs to start rounding into form. If he's going to do anything this year, he needs to finish his shots. And if he's going to finish his shots, it needs to be. Espinoza Owens is 17. He's ranked 17.
01:24:48
Speaker
He's
01:24:50
Speaker
he's good I didn't say he wasn't good. OK. You're saying. You implied it. I didn't. 184. We're moving through this.
01:25:02
Speaker
Isaac Dean, Zack Ryder.
01:25:07
Speaker
have no idea. This is going to be a boring match. Dean went to overtime with 9-9 from SDSU. he's now nine and ten but you at them time nine and nine me Zach.
01:25:23
Speaker
I'll take Ryder. Ryder, I hardly know, or 197? Isaac Dean, has does he wrestle he'll wrestle the national champ to a one-point match, and he'll wrestle the worst guy in the country to a one-point match. It's true. He will not shoot. That's the way he rolls. And neither Ryder probably won't shoot that much either.
01:25:44
Speaker
Hopefully Rocky Elam, but maybe not, versus Cody Merrill. They need him. They need him bad.
01:25:53
Speaker
According to my score. What are you talking about? They need Elam bad. Yeah. But either way, give me Cody Merrill. Give me Elam if he wrestles.
01:26:05
Speaker
If Elam wrestles, he wins. Yeah. I thought you were serious for him. I'll take Merrill. be Either like straight up? Well, no. I just don't think Elam's wrestling.
01:26:17
Speaker
Yeah. What's wrong with Elam?
01:26:22
Speaker
Say old shit, dude. His knee or something. hey more Is it a pitch count or did he hurt himself again? I don't know. Oh.
01:26:35
Speaker
We don't know, man. 285. Connor, can you duke it? Or younger Bastida? It's probably be a major for...
01:26:51
Speaker
Do you think Younger can get the page? Yeah, he can. He's so good on his feet, man. He gets lazy from time to time. That's why he gives up takedowns to guys like Luke Rasmussen, who's not bad. and i'm you know I'm not shitting on Luke. Luke is If Younger gets a major, if i i got I'll take him getting a major.
01:27:11
Speaker
and that puts With Elam Wrestling, that puts a tae and a tie. for me. sixteen sixteen for me i don't know if you guys were keeping score of your matches. I wasn't. i I wasn't, but I have Oklahoma State winning. so
01:27:25
Speaker
I'm a tie. I don't know who wins the criteria. I don't know who I rolled with, but yeah. All right. It's late. Anything else? No. That's all I got.
01:27:36
Speaker
Thank you for enjoying the show, everybody. Super show. Mega show. Super mega awesome show. We'll just do two, part one and part two. Yeah. Have a good one. Bye-bye.