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Episode 10; Champions Cup Round 3
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It's the first of the back to back fixtures in Champions Cup! We talk about the player exoduses in at both the Ricoh and from NZRU. What's going on with Exeter's bad run (only 2 games, but that's long for Exeter). What's wrong with the current Wasps 10? Is pool 5 going to eventually get turned upside down...or right side up, some might say? We're also looking forward to Super Rugby, want to join a league with us? E-mail the show and we'll make it happen. We may be looking to bring in another person now and again, stay tuned for that.
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Transcript
Introduction and Context Setting
00:00:06
Speaker
Hey, what's up, guys? It's the Fancy Roy B. Yanks podcast. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauser. What's going on, guys? It's Tuesday, and it's post round three of Europe, pre round four of Europe. And we're ready to have a good time here. So hey, what's going on, buddy?
Boston Traffic Woes
00:00:22
Speaker
Ah, not a hell of a lot. Shit traffic out there today. What are you going to do? Thank you, Boston. If you've never been to Boston, don't drive here, please. Yeah, whatever you do. Find another way to get in places. Yeah, get around somehow. Take the train, even though it's not the best train in the world. No, it's not. You're right. There's some worse ones out there.
00:00:45
Speaker
It might take a little while, but it gets you there on time. You'll get to there where you need to go. Yeah, that's a fact. That's a good fact.
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00:00:51
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So everybody, please make sure you subscribe and you review us on iTunes. Check us out on Google Play now and Spotify. So if you don't like downloading the Podbean or whatever tickles your fancy, we got more options for you out there now, those of you that are non-Apple users. Guess what? We thought of you two.
00:01:12
Speaker
Yeah, so let's get into something, not quite the games, but we talked about it not too long.
WOS Player Exodus Discussion
00:01:22
Speaker
I think during the WOS match, the big exodus that could possibly come from WOS with Daily Hughes and who was the last one? Was the South African?
00:01:38
Speaker
Oh, LaRue. Yeah, LaRue was kind of, LaRue's kind of a foregone conclusion, I think. But losing all three of them, I mean, geez. It's one of those, what's going on there that at least these big names want to leave? How are they going to replace them? Yeah, I mean.
00:01:56
Speaker
Well, one of them wants to go, I think it's Hughes, is going to get paid by Bristol and he'll be one of their marquee players, which doesn't count. I'd be excited about that. Yeah, so Pietal is one right now. I don't know who the other one is right now. I'm guessing Luitua, George Smith, Matt again, one of those three would be my guess. It doesn't mean I'm right. Right.
00:02:17
Speaker
But yeah, so apparently he's gonna be one of their marquee players because George Smith is only on until the end of this year So they are gonna need another back row. I know there's a back row that's that's maybe creeping out of New Zealand soon, but it looks like he's going to He's going for France. He's going. Yeah, that's gonna be pretty crazy Kieran Reed go into harassing it seems to be give that man his money. Yeah, it seems to be the the
00:02:44
Speaker
the most known secret in the world. Yeah. Right now. And nobody's talking about it, but everybody knows it's probably going to happen. It's about done. Yeah. So and then there's talk of Artie Sevilla leaving after the World Cup as well. Going to,
Financial Decisions in Rugby
00:02:59
Speaker
I don't remember which one it was. I think maybe too long to lose. I could, I don't know which one exactly it was. I get it. There's money there, but. Yes. Why would,
00:03:12
Speaker
Yeah, I guess cause you're getting paid the ego play in France, but, uh, yeah, it just seems like such a waste of talent for what they're doing there. It's not, there's no, there's no structure. It's kind of shit culture. Uh, it's just funny to me to see, you know, people from the, the, the most rugby rugby culture there is, you know, saying like the, the rugby's first, we're all here for the team.
00:03:41
Speaker
You know, we're all here to, to, to make, you know, the, the, the shield better that, well, obviously there it's the, the fern, but the, I still, the idea is, you know, you're, you're trying to make, right. You're trying to
Gloucester vs. Exeter Match Review
00:03:52
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play for the badge on the front, not the name on the back.
00:03:55
Speaker
and make it better and to go to France, they all seem to end up. It's just, I guess that's a nice way to retire. Look at Dan Carter, look at what he did.
00:04:12
Speaker
moved to France he's played he's probably about done at wrestling I guess I mean you know I think he I think he is done now I think about it because Finn Russell's there yeah I knew that um well and Sopa Wagga we'll talk touch more on Sopa Wagga or at least I want to touch more on Sopa Wagga all right um he he um he said you know it's not going to be enough to just play for the black jersey in in New Zealand anymore and people are going to want to take care of the families because
00:04:39
Speaker
And New Zealand, are you don't necessarily pay that well? Obviously they pay a good living wage, because otherwise these guys wouldn't be playing rugby professionally. But for me, I think the big thing with that is, OK, fine. So now we're no longer going to have people that are chasing the money bags. We're going to have people that want to wear that jersey. And they can find that. They'll find it. They throw on trees down there pretty much. So they won't be lacking for talent
00:05:08
Speaker
Or rugby ability. Yeah. And it's not to just raid the island countries, fortunately. That's just how it is. Yeah. But yeah, so that's some big news, obviously, out of New Zealand that they're going to lose at least
00:05:25
Speaker
read if not more yeah but to nobody's surprise really right i assume he's one of many again worst kept secret in the world right now in the world rugby at least um but yeah and then wasp the they'll find ways they'll find ways to fill it um you know they i mean they pretty much had the ideal starting lineup we'll talk about the game obviously but yeah they had the deal back row for them with shields and thomas young and hues and then
00:05:52
Speaker
How'd that work out for them? Well, it went a little awry when he was gonna come off. Right. We'll talk about that. Okay. So yeah, so let's get to the games. Friday night. So if you guys didn't listen to the podcast last week, or you guys tuned out at the end, Ben and I split the games. So he watched five or yeah, you watch
00:06:13
Speaker
Watch five. You watch five and I watch six or seven, or you watch six now, whatever it was. Whatever it was. So we split it somewhat evenly because we were both going to watch this Harrison's match. One of us was going to have to watch an extra, but that's okay.
00:06:26
Speaker
But yeah, Friday night, Scarlet's an Ulster. I did watch that match, but I'll... Cheater! Cheater! This is not how this was supposed to go. Well, I couldn't help myself. Couldn't be contained, man. We split this, we Solomon this shit. And here you go, and you're hornin' in on my territory. That's cool. I didn't see a contract.
00:06:49
Speaker
I'll give you. Yeah, you know, the one thing I love about this is just the level of play is so it's amazing. It's like a
00:07:04
Speaker
a chaser after some of the shots. We have the nasty shots. We have the tape watching some of the, some of the premiership, some of the lower teams. Yeah. Um, and, and, and Lester, um, but, uh, watching the talent and the different focus and one of the things that I saw, especially, and it started out with, with Scarlett, Scarlett's and Ulster. Um, it's just that it's so much fun to watch two teams attacking space. And even when they're, even when they're in tight and I'm watching, um,
00:07:35
Speaker
Uh, some of the teams on the goal line and they're, they're doing the picking goes as one does on the goal line. What else do you do on the goal line? Right. And they're not just attacking that, like AB gap. And sometimes not even attacking like the BC, they're, they're attacking like kind of a little wider than that. And they're saying, you know what, we're going to.
00:07:53
Speaker
suck in those two other defenders and now that's how we're gonna create space in it and and we're not just gonna run bash bash bash no we're on the goal line so it's it's just fun to see see them run run it uh... gaps instead of yeah instead of bodies so so that'll that already i was that that put me in a really good mood on friday more more so than just the fact that i had a day off well aren't we all so lucky um... but extremely entertaining match that match that went yeah
00:08:23
Speaker
Five minutes past the wire, you know clock was red five minutes past. It's probably something to it at least right There's something going on there. There's another match that we'll get to later where it was really about two teams trying to score bonus points but but this was about the win and Just
00:08:38
Speaker
makes it such a fun match to watch two teams play at a high level and Really pressing each other and going over time was uh Definitely a good way to start the weekend five minutes over. Yeah, I You know
00:08:57
Speaker
Um, the I heard I heard the announcer saying that these two teams are going to be absolutely sick of each other because they play in the same conference in the pro 14 and now they're in the same pool so I mean there's that seems to be a running theme for a couple of these uh These matchups here. Yes. Yeah, these two seem like they were just done with it They only played each other like three weeks ago or something like that, but it didn't get chippy or anything It was just a nice fun. It was still a fun match. Yeah, so it's still very, you know, they had their right approach
00:09:23
Speaker
And, yeah, just some good rugby. Yeah, well, we'll ask him what the man of the match I think it was. The Center for Ulster. Yeah, and I think you're right. I didn't write down man of the match. Yeah, I only just watched it the other day, so that's why I was able to remember it. Yeah. Probably a little more vividly.
00:09:42
Speaker
right and I uh right I saw I thought I had uh Spate doing some real good work in in that uh yeah coming over from the Brumbies yeah and uh he he had himself a good match he had a not only did he have he had two tries um no he only had sorry he only had the one he was close he was close oh that yeah that first he was close just uh that great field he had a chip and chase where he
00:10:06
Speaker
He he latched onto that ball he went went went for it and Unfortunately just just couldn't get over. Yeah, he just got tackled And right and Stockdale His he had a he had some his try was a lot of fun
00:10:25
Speaker
Just splitting defenders. He was in a one on two and he had him on two defenders and he did have a player in support with him but it was clear that he was talking that ball away and running upfield and Just took an angle that that neither one really was wanted to commit and really nobody would have wanted to He was he was he was denied there and
00:10:46
Speaker
So that that's that's fun to watch and to do that in again in space and not just try to bully over them but but split the defender and and Use just a little bit of physicality along with with footwork and speed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah when do you when do you're fair too? Yeah, seemed it Cooney couldn't find the post for his life. I
00:11:05
Speaker
No, and well it made the game a little kind of helped a little squeakier than i'm sure Reese patchill hit a nice Long penalty kick early on. Yeah, um, I i'm sure that was windated too, but I know I thought that was gonna send a tone Um still works. Yeah Unfortunately, they they did not have the wind go in the other way. Otherwise, maybe they would have uh
00:11:28
Speaker
Able to settle for a for a long pk, but that was not to be yeah, that was um, it was it was a uh It was a tough tough uh tough pool so far for scarlets. This is this is this puts them out They're out. Um those that didn't watch the game ulster won 25 24 They walked away with a bonus point too. Didn't they? I'm pretty sure about yeah, they had four tries. Yeah, so um
00:11:51
Speaker
Yeah, I'll start walk over the bonus point 25 24 Yeah, Scarlett's not not out there. They're they're out. I mean
00:12:01
Speaker
Anything can happen, but the odds of them getting through being a runner up right now are very low, if not zero. So they're out. For all intents and purposes, they're done. They'll probably rock up next week and put in a good performance, but then come rounds five and six, which are in the new year, I would not bank on them putting out the best team. If there's somebody that's on the line that's like,
00:12:28
Speaker
Your ankle's still kind of bothering you. Okay, you're gonna sit this right, you know, so anything like that I'd plan on that next week they'll probably just want to do better and You know resurrect it a little better and rectify what they did sure in this match. But other than that, nope Edinburgh Newcastle This was my match and oh boy, you got the better of the two on this one because this was not good this was Newcastle had a
00:12:55
Speaker
had a slight problem before kickoff. Oh, what was that? They had two tight heads drop out of their lineup in warm up. So they had one loose head reserve.
00:13:06
Speaker
So they had a loose head reserve on the bench, and they had a loose head reserve in the stands. They brought the loose head from the stand into the lineup, and then they started a loose head at Tight Head. And Burn knew what they were doing too. Yeah, but that shouldn't matter too much, honestly. I know it does, but
00:13:30
Speaker
Yeah, it's a it is a big difference, but if you can play loose head You can figure out a little bit of tight head. You can at least not be a total ass of yourself. Not well You shouldn't at least you shouldn't be a total ass Yeah, shouldn't be might be the operative word there. Um But Dean Richard started flood on the bench which baffled me just perplexed me a little bit I don't know if he's carrying an injury that he looked that we don't know about he looked to get a little banged up last week I thought
00:13:57
Speaker
Yeah, but still, I mean your your your Champions Cup, maybe he's trying to bank on something else coming back around to to Kingston Park, but you don't want to bank on that. You can't do that. That doesn't work well. Trust me. I've seen it happen. Yeah, people get burned by it all the time. Although the question is, do you want to you know, maybe what what if what if they're
00:14:16
Speaker
Their strategy is to just not get relegated. I mean, it's one thing. Yeah, you want to go win? Yeah, you know you have it You still have a shot at a Champions Cup. Yes, but do you sacrifice a shot at Champions Cup for a potential? Religation and then you're just out of everything like yeah that really gets you in the long run that is that is true if he's nursing even a half of an injury maybe you kind of say alright, well, yeah, I
00:14:41
Speaker
We'll play if we need you. I yeah, you're not gonna start in the end I still think come Christmas time. They won't be bottom. I think it'll be sale Worcester somebody else Sale and Worcester are probably the two I'm picking to fly it out We'll see what happens. Yeah, cuz eventually Robert Dupree is gonna leave sale to go back to his club So to his actual club right so that and I
00:15:04
Speaker
They just have to hold that Asian McGinty's progress is good. If not, then they're going to be searching for another fly app, and that's not ideal. No. But yeah, Newcastle, the scrum, it paid dividends. Edinburgh were winning penalties on the scrums all day long. They eventually got a penalty try out of one of them. Oh, wow. But the curious thing to me was the no yellow card on the penalty try. That's nice. 99 times out of 100. Yeah. You get a yellow card that comes with that penalty try,
00:15:34
Speaker
I was like, really? Um, okay. Um, was a, was a French ref. So Italian. I think you, buddy. I think you referees in France. Okay. I could be, I could be wrong. I could be wrong. I could be dead wrong, but I think you referees in France. I could be very wrong.
00:15:51
Speaker
Either way, when you get a French referee or an Italian referee, you're going to get a little bit of pity. I'll give you the penalty try, but stay on the field because it's only going to get worse. Especially, what are you going to do? You're saying that Newcastle was down to loose heads playing tight heads.
00:16:16
Speaker
How much you know what are you doing to the match if you card you know one of the tight heads? That's not really a tight head. You're only gonna bring in a new fucking tight head Yeah, really tight head, and it's only gonna compound the situation well they had to do that basically they had to do they sent they brought a
00:16:32
Speaker
one of their props off, but then they, for the guy that was on the bench, but then they had to bring the same guy back on because I think the other guy got another guy in HIA. So I was like, yep, you're, you guys are going to be tired. Yeah. So, so you're not going to, yeah, that, that sometimes the referee might, might take a little bit of pity and.
00:16:47
Speaker
and yeah I'll give you the penalty try but we'll uh I'll keep you on the field we'll hold off on that card I suppose so um but yeah Edinburgh uh they it really came down to Edinburgh finished their chances very well and Newcastle had plenty of chances did not finish them well at all um you know uh sounds familiar yeah no kidding right
00:17:08
Speaker
um player kinghorn was was just immense for edinburgh um venderwald didn't miss much with his foot and it just didn't seem like new castle could get out of the runway you know no flood to start at least no wilson at all
00:17:24
Speaker
they're down to no tight heads. The deck was stacked against them. They played well for the first half, if I remember right, I think it was, I think the halftime score was actually, yeah, Newcastle was one and a half. They were 13-10 out. They could have easily just parked the bus and played defense and tried to say, no, we're playing in your end the whole day. But that's tough to do sometimes. It's really tough to do. So you can't, especially in Champions Cup, this is, you know, you're not playing
00:17:51
Speaker
Against bath or sale like we were just talking about you're playing bathroom in it though. That's true Yeah sale though. Yeah sale or Worcester Worcester. That's where I was going. Okay, fair enough Don't don't let the bat bath fans ignore him ignore him. He didn't he didn't mean it. I promise I meant it
00:18:07
Speaker
Um, yeah, so Edinburgh 31 13 they go to top of pool one and um, they're not pull one, but we'll pull five, pull five. Okay. Their pool doesn't matter. Um, we can review the pools afterwards. Yep. Um, but yeah, so that was not a great performance for Newcastle, but really.
00:18:25
Speaker
I think it was the expected result for them and I think they plan on Rocking up the Whether or not this whole resting guys and not not sacrificing guys Whether that pays off or not gets determined this weekend because they come home. They'll come home to a matchup, right? If they win that Okay, fine fair enough work. It worked well, right? Yeah
00:18:49
Speaker
And then, oh yeah, Leon and Glasgow. This was the Saracens Pool. Leon, this is, I believe this is their first go round in the top tier of Europe. And it looks like it is. It really does. I don't think they have any points, honestly. No bonus points. Yeah, I don't think they have anything. So it's, Glasgow were a little ill-disciplined to start, but they figured it out. If I remember right, I think Leon, hold on one second.
00:19:22
Speaker
Maybe they weren't as in as I thought Sometimes the score is deceiving, you know, yeah might be a 10-point game But at that point when you're when you when you hit your impression is oh, you know what? They have a shot. Yeah, then, you know, you see the second half and you're like, oh no, they really didn't it just One thing I find very curious with the French coaches and that's that they stand on the sideline for their games not not no no other
00:19:51
Speaker
nationality yeah does that besides the the frenchmen i and i don't know i mean if i had a box if i had a box that i could go and they don't love you know doing them you know watching a rugby match just a nice warm box let's just with maybe a pint that's what i want nerded ladies noted
00:20:16
Speaker
Um, so yeah, um, but yeah if I would if I had a coach's box I could go sit in and would like and with The vision to see the field right I'd prefer to do that personally, but yeah, you can see more of what's happening But hey, you know some some coaches like that that up close They can talk directly to the players without really, you know playing whisper down the lane. Yeah and all that so
00:20:37
Speaker
Hey, I mean, I'm, if, if it works for him, it works for him. Um, the, I mean, unfortunately it's not, it didn't work well for many of the French teams, but this was one that didn't work for Leon. Nope. Did not work well for them. Um, I thought that, uh, Stewart hog was kind of, uh, until he got his try. Um, he did, he did start to find his form and start to rip him up.
00:21:02
Speaker
Yeah, he didn't give me too many points. No, George, George Horn was he ended up being named the man match. And that was the first name that came to my head when they even started talking about it. So he was ripping. He was good service, ripping him up when he had the chance. Pardon me.
00:21:20
Speaker
Leon, very ill-disciplined. They, if I remember right, they had, this happened a lot in this weekend, I feel like, too. You know, the pillars, the guard dogs, the first man next to the rock, gone. Like, I saw it at least three times this weekend, if not four. And that just to me, at this level, is baffling. I was like, really? Like, how do you miss that one? Like,
00:21:41
Speaker
If I miss that one, I'm mad at myself, let alone a professional team. Right. They're going to see it. They're going to take advantage of it. Yeah, you're right. I saw this in a couple of games. There were just some key pick and goes. And I think you're right. I think it was a lot against a lot of the French sides that were showing that. I think that was, yeah, I think Cast had that problem. Really? I don't think it was just the Frenchman, though. No. I definitely saw a couple in some other games. Yeah, but we like to blame the French for everything. Well, that's fair enough.
00:22:08
Speaker
Um, but yeah, so it was um
00:22:13
Speaker
Oh, there was one other thing that kind of irked me. I think that was, yeah, Matthew Carley called a forward pass on Glasgow and it was a gorgeous pass. Started backwards, then drifted forwards. To me, that's backwards. And, you know, and they say the way your hands are going is supposed to be part of it as well. Everything to me said that pass was backwards. Yes, it drifted forward. It also went frickin 20 meters, so it's going to do that.
00:22:39
Speaker
And then I took them two or three phases to decide, yeah, it's forward. It's like, come on, man. If you're going to make that crappy decision, make the crappy decision fast, please. Yeah, I think there was a play like that in the Sarries match, if I'm not mistaken, where the referee was just like, it looked like it was forward. Very lackluster in it, yeah. Yeah, but it could have been forward and the referee was like, you know what? Just play it. Fuck it. Everybody kept playing. I think that's one of the things. If everybody keeps playing,
00:23:06
Speaker
and there's no unfair advantage and you just say you know what we'll just just go with it um we'll be like nobody saw that even if everybody saw that but if uh yeah if there's there there was another time i think where i think it was also in this harry's match where there was a blatantly forward pass or a knock-on or something like that and the referee didn't see it at first and everybody just stopped
00:23:27
Speaker
And and he's like, oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, I got to blow that up because now you're giving an unfair advantage because I didn't I missed it. Maybe the the AR saw it and it took him a second to get in my ear. But yeah, that's you know, once once you go a couple phases, let's just play the frickin match. Yeah, right. But yeah, and then I mean, really Leon only got going when they when Glasgow had a guy sent off near the end. Oh, yeah. Not sent off but to the bin. Yeah, yeah.
00:23:54
Speaker
to the naughty boy pen. But yeah, so Leon are 100% playing for pride from here out. There's no way they're gonna make this knockout round with zero points. But moving on, Glasgow 42, Leon 22, Glasgow are second now in their pool. And that will make things interesting come end of pool play here with our boys. We'll see.
00:24:22
Speaker
So on to Exeter versus Gloucester. Now, if you've been listening the past couple of weeks, you'll know that yes, I do love the salaries, but Gloucester are quickly becoming my side piece.
00:24:33
Speaker
and they they see they seem interested they seem very interested yeah twitter they told me they loved me on twitter because i said i love them so um we love you too that was funny flattery will get you everywhere gloster yeah all right and uh this this was you know it's it's it's fun to watch the level of play of these two teams
00:24:55
Speaker
come up. I do have some issues with Exeter. I'm a little hard on them, because I expect a lot of them. I have a high standard for them. And we'll get to that in a little bit. But the first half to me was fun. There was a little bit of feeling out of it. It was a little bit like too heavy weights trying to see. Yeah, absolutely. Exeter's at home. They're expected to do well.
00:25:19
Speaker
I think there might have been a little wet trying to just weather the storm. Literally. A lot of Gloucester. Yeah, a lot too. Hammering down rain. But just a little bit of trying to see what Gloucester had that day and see if it was going to be a match or not. And it was. It was very much a match. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, absolutely.
00:25:42
Speaker
What made this interesting to me was that both teams just scored one try in the first half. They just used the same tactics on each other.
00:25:57
Speaker
Armand scored a try early. Yeah, and it was it was all off of it was a turnover in the rock They pressed hard on the rock Pushed pushed Gloucester back won it spawn it wide one way spawn it wide the other and there's there's Armand in space for the try beautiful needs to have a phone call given to him and and I'm gonna get to Armand later and
00:26:23
Speaker
I have some thoughts on him. The Gloucester try in the first half was, oddly enough, the same exact thing. So they put pressure on an Exeter rock. Right. And it just fucked the ball up. And Exeter got it out, but they got it to Kvasek who kicks it up, who hacks it up the field. Yeah, what the heck was Matt Kvasek doing, kicking a ball? I don't know. Dear God. Of course. And who did he kick it right to?
00:26:49
Speaker
My boy. Oh, yeah. Stupid. Ollie Thorley. That's the wrong place to kick it. Yeah. OK, that's right. Yeah, man, that was a really boneheaded kick. Yeah, I did watch this match. Oh, man. And so he just. Bye. Thorley's gone up the field, pops it off to Heinz for the try. And you got a 10-5 lead at half for Gloucester. They go into the sheds and recoup. And then the rain stops. Yeah. It's a little slick, but at least the rain stops. It's very slick. And they keep playing.
00:27:19
Speaker
And Gloucester just turns it on after that. Yeah, and Again using the thoroughly in mid midfield. It was interesting. There was a time about 20 minutes in and
00:27:33
Speaker
For some reason, Gloucester's like keeping the ball over like 10 some phases, maybe 20, 25 meters away from the left touch line. And it was all just in that space. And it was just like, what the fuck are they doing? And suddenly they...
00:27:48
Speaker
Um, we'll sleep a little bit. Yes, exactly. Because the next thing you know, thorny is attacking in midfield. Uh, and, and through the, yeah, right. And then they go for a high kick right after that, recover the ball. And, uh, that's where Visaji gets over. So it's just two weeks for him.
00:28:05
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. I like their tactics. I like what they're doing. Yeah. And then later in the match, they're trying for the losing bonus point. Exeter is. Oh, my God. Talk about a game that went to overtime. I wanted that one. Oh, that one went forever. Six, seven. Right. And this is the best part. Both teams are trying to get their bonus points.
00:28:26
Speaker
And so you know this this game could go on for forever they will play as long as they have to until somebody scores because it doesn't matter to Exeter if they give up a try because they're not getting a bonus point then anyway, nope and Gloucester one doesn't care if they give up a try because they're gonna win anyway, so it's just Amazing Exeter
00:28:47
Speaker
moved back like 30 meters. They could not stop moving backwards. They could stop. They could not stop themselves. I was really like it was really and we can talk about this right now if you want. Yeah. The the lack of creativity in that. It's everything is a one up. The one thing that I saw and I don't remember who the heck it was but there was a they had a half break and there was an inside runner on I don't remember who's hip.
00:29:12
Speaker
and I'm thinking that's that's it it's there it's there it's there and they had not hit that yet yeah and I thought for sure if they had hit that gone and he I think he went outside to somebody that went nowhere and I was like oh man this is just the stuff that they've been like they haven't had the creativity to just look for those passes and I I'm not a fan of the inside ball always yeah but on this goddamn cap use it right and and to me Exeter and I'm I'm no Exeter
00:29:41
Speaker
I'm no expert on Exeter. No. But what I do know is I look at their number eight, and they had Waldron, they had Simmons. Right. Both are gone. Won't do an injury. One's now sitting on his butt drinking beer like us right now. Right. And Kvessik just isn't that guy.
00:30:02
Speaker
Probably not. That's not fair. He's a seven. But he's also not doing right. And to me, but their offense to me from when I've watched them has been going through their eight as far as if they need a big run, if they need somebody to do something to spark them on offense or on attack, they're going through their eight. And that's not Kovacic what he does. You know who does that, though?
00:30:28
Speaker
So why aren't they just using Armin in that role? It doesn't have to be. He doesn't have to be playing at eight. They can keep Kvessic at eight because he's actually a pretty good eight man. He's doing a decent job at eight, but not what Exeter needs to run their attack. So I'm just confused as to why they're not using Armin in that role.
00:30:45
Speaker
vein and saying you know what we need some go forward and from from our forwards don't know well you know when we need that carry that's going to armand and then we'll we'll play off of that because they have you know they have the uh the ability to have the guys out out wide yeah santiago cordero most most offenders beaten in the competition any match thus far right and he was he had an amazing match every time he was near the ball something cool was happening yeah
00:31:11
Speaker
So he's playing with that 10, that's for sure. Yeah, you got to have, you know, and Cuthbert had a good match too. He was the one that chased down Thorlo. Right. And so it's like, why can't they get, they're just not getting their offense going to where they need it to be. And so they really, to me, the backs there are doing a decent job. They just need somebody to step up in the forwards and be that rock who's, you know, we need a forward crash here. We need somebody to gain meters and
00:31:39
Speaker
This is me saying this. Game meter is in and around contact. You still need that ability. And Exeter just don't have that right now. And I think that's a major hole in them. And I think they need to figure out how to get that back. They got final. I mean, they won't have Simmons for.
00:31:57
Speaker
until at least April, May, give or take. So it's not really going to help them in this competition. Yeah, there's something about Exeter that they just can't do well in Europe. And obviously, this year, they're a little off. I mean, I'm still weary of this group. This is not somebody I'm dismissing by any means whatsoever. But there's something going on with it. I'm sure Rob Baxter will get to the bottom of it.
00:32:19
Speaker
I don't doubt that for a second, but at the same time like there's there's definitely something going on there and on the positive Gloucester just played one hell of a match they're a lot of fun to watch again and and We got to mention him because we talk about him all the time, but Cipriani not noticeable now as far as not doing amazing sips and not doing
00:32:42
Speaker
Bad certainly not doing bad. No, he wasn't bad. So I I think i'm wondering if if he's Really focusing on consistency now since he didn't get picked and saw what was happening with the england 10, right? And uh, you know what if if this is the kind of uh, you know, I still I still want to see him do some fun fun shit with the ball i'm sure he's waiting for it, but at the same time, you know if if they don't need that if he's not pressing
00:33:07
Speaker
That's the big thing is when he presses that's when bad steps comes out and he doesn't have to press now He's got a lot. He doesn't have nearly as much pressure on him anymore. So That's that's he's been a lot of fun to watch now. Yeah. Oh, yeah, but so Gloucester win 2719 Exeter are all but done in their pool. They will not see the knockup stage more than likely and
00:33:32
Speaker
I wonder for Cipriani, if having Owen Williams play 12, who is also a distributor, has kind of helped him out a little bit, maybe taking some of that pressure off of
00:33:43
Speaker
All right, I don't have anything on right now, but if you see something, here you go. You do it. Right. Not to say that he wants to give away the responsibility, but, you know, sometimes being smart and saying, I don't see shit. Here you go. You got something up your sleeve? Go for it. Exactly. Like I think I think Sips would kind of maybe not so much give up on a play, but say, you know what? I don't see something that's there. So I'm just going to hack it upfield and see what happens and try to do something. Right. And you're right. Maybe a little bit less pressure on him to do that is really what's
00:34:14
Speaker
What's key in this? I don't think that's incorrect by any means whatsoever. I have to say, the damn kits, they bother me. The cherry and whites, not the pink and blues. And then Exeter, they're at home, wear your blacks, come on, man. Duh, like the blues, I mean, I guess it's gonna up the bottom line because you're gonna sell more jerseys, but come on, man.
00:34:39
Speaker
I was still, it still took me a second to realize, when I was watching the match, I was like, okay, who's who? All right, now I'll sort you out. Oh, God. Oh, man, oh, man, oh, man. I mean, if, and I get it, everybody, there's a lot of teams that change their kits a little bit through Europe, and that's fine. You know, it's not gonna necessarily sell the jerseys that much, because they're not that much different. But, you know, at least keep your freaking color scheme, please, so I can, you know, not have my eyes hurt, one, two, so I can figure out,
00:35:07
Speaker
Who the hell is this? Yeah. Faster at least. God. Yeah. So Gloucester won 27-19. Gloucester is still alive in their pool for sure. They're going to be welcoming Exeter back to the King's home next week. This will be the third time they play each other in four weeks. Right. And they still have a return fixture to play in the premier show. And that's another. Talk about being sick of each other. These teams have every reason to want to have a bash up.
00:35:35
Speaker
And yeah, they're they're they're just playing rugby and it's all very positive. So credit to them. Well, yeah, I mean, the reason they have coach, they have smart coaches and reasons to keep their discipline. But at the same time, you can get, you know, I mean, if we see it all the time, we'll see what happens again. We see all the time in another, you know, there's a lot of emotion going on a rugby. And sometimes that spills over when you see that same ugly fucking face. Yeah, for sure. And you're like, you know what? I'm sick of you. I'm just going to hit you now. I really just want to punch you.
00:36:05
Speaker
What's next? All right. Ah, the champions, Leinster and Bath. This was by the score line, not pretty, but by the eye, actually a very good game. I mean, really comes down, when it comes down to it, if you haven't seen the highlights, you'll see it. The lama interception that makes the, pretty much decides it. I haven't seen it, no. Bad decision, but bad decision. One of us didn't tread on the other's toes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or the other one was lazy.
00:36:34
Speaker
Which one's that? No comeback for that. Yeah. So that was just a, it was a poor decision by Wilson. He was, I get it. He was looking for the long ball. He was looking to get it wide to attack. A lot of her read it like a book and it wasn't that good of a pass. Well, that'll be a, that's the two problems right there.
00:36:55
Speaker
He's like, I think he saw the space and I think Marmer knew he might have been a little bit outnumbered, maybe only three to two, but still, he said, you know what, I'm gambling on this because if I get this, I'm gone. And he did. If I don't do this, it's a try. If I do this and I miss, it's a try. So who gives a shit? Maybe I'll find out which one it is. Right. Yeah. Give him give him credit for taking the gamble. But Beth's defense was very good. They did. I mean, this is
00:37:22
Speaker
So I heard it years ago and I still think it's very true today and you can probably attest to this having watched one of these teams. Lester, I like a sports car. Get them in high gear and they'll purl like a kitten and they're going to look beautiful going down the field.
00:37:38
Speaker
Monster, kind of like a tank. Slowly roll over you and kill you and crush you and then they're just going to make you suffer. Well, it's the two faces of Irish rugby, right? Yeah. Well, that's why you got most of their teams picked from those two squads. Exactly. So you have that tank that we were talking about. Yeah, when I said recently in the last couple of weeks that it's fun to see Ireland open it up a little bit and show some creativity and attack. That's where Sexton comes in.
00:38:04
Speaker
And so, you know, you're like, that's the difference of the two teams you have. So, you know, the monster will play the traditional Irish smash you. Right. Whereas Leinster is now they're they're upping their game a little bit. Yeah. And that's fun to watch. Yeah, absolutely.
00:38:20
Speaker
But yeah, so they played very well. Lo and Underhill both played in the game, two sevens on the field, and it actually paid dividends. They were both winning penalties left and right, which obviously made things very difficult on Leinster. So they weren't able to just get themselves going that much. The possession was taken away very often.
00:38:39
Speaker
Their strategy wasn't terrible, they just didn't execute everywhere. Freddie Burns didn't play in this match, that hurt them. So we were wondering why Burns came off so early last week.
00:38:52
Speaker
There's our answer, he's hurt. Which is unfortunate. And another bath bright spot, it sounds like Bath won the match the way I'm talking. McConaughey, young kid, first European match, they were, Leinster were putting bombs down towards him and he was handling it very, very well. Did not, I don't remember too many errors. If he made one, he made one out of like 10.
00:39:16
Speaker
So give him all the credit in the world. But both teams also just couldn't execute when it came down to the red zone too. I know it was a little wet, but...
00:39:28
Speaker
You play an island in England, you should be using this crap, come on. Wet should not be anything out of your comfort zone. To have this crap happen in this league, or in this competition, whatever it is. But yeah, it came down to really the one error. It was seven, seven and a half. It looked like for sure we could have,
00:39:51
Speaker
I knew we were going to have a heck of a heck of a day when we were seven, seven and a half and Bathware still, they'd look probably slightly the better team in the first half. So when that happened, I'm like, oh boy, this could be interesting. We'll see what happens next week.
00:40:06
Speaker
Let's uh sexton came off with a with a bit of a knee knock looked like oh, yeah So we'll see what happens next we get the rds. Um in doublin Yeah, because that will not uh, vote well for lancer not that they don't have plenty in the in the tank. They get um I think it's russ burn that was that played tent. Uh and the game he knocked over he knocked over a pan Well, that's not you know, he knocked over a pen to make it um I think it was a
00:40:31
Speaker
I think it was a 14-10 game when he got a chance to hit a pen and then made it 17-10 and that was the final 17-10 Leinster. But yeah, Leinster still chasing Toulouse after having eaten a loss in France in one of the last batches of Europe.
00:40:53
Speaker
But they'll get to host Bath this week at the RDS. Last time they were there with an English team, it was pretty darn ugly. So we'll see if Bath maybe feel wasp pain a little bit after this one. Yeah, that could be kind of gross. That's not going to be good. Yeah. So and speaking of, let's go right into it. Wasp.
00:41:21
Speaker
Yeah, that one Yeah was go down to to lose in at the Rico 24 16 this was not a particularly great game for Lima soap Walker and I Hate calling the guy out and I know this is no I saw something the other day like about how he was having trouble kind of acclimating and there were different things that they were talking about like he's had a
00:41:47
Speaker
a bunch of different center combinations that are next to him. He's had probably three or four halfbacks at this point that are passing it out to him. I get it. He's getting paid like a world class 10. That should not matter to a world class 10.
00:42:03
Speaker
And in the end, it needs to be, you know, it needs to be something that he just doesn't worry about. And he actually plays his game. The guy should be attacking and it looks like he just doesn't know what the hell he's doing. And I don't understand it. He is a very good attacking 10. That's why they brought him in. And I know Jimmy Gopreath was supposed to provide some relief.
00:42:24
Speaker
as far as being a 10 that he can maybe alternate with in matches and maybe even just wait to get his feet, but Jimmy got perfect towards ACL, so. So you don't have that, but also, like you said, Sepulaga should be the man. And he is, but I just don't think he believes he's the man, honestly. He just doesn't look like he believes it.
00:42:42
Speaker
And I get it. It's a whole new environment. You're right. You're miles and miles away from your home. This is your first year away from your home in this fashion. You're dealing with Da Young as your coach. That too. That too. But yeah, it just to me, I feel like he needs to be a little bit better in this case. The to lose execution on first phase, though, was beautiful. They're they only scored twice.
00:43:05
Speaker
but they were both off first phase. One was Kolbe and one was Gichon, and they both just torched, torched that boss defense. Really, it was a little, and I'm not gonna lie, one of the guys that missed a tackle on one of those was Sepuaga. So, I mean,
00:43:24
Speaker
And daily is taken. I know I don't know how long a professional goal kicker should be kicking from in terms of where's before where you should take pens from and where you hand it off to the long goal kicker, right? And he has probably one of the less best long goal kickers in the world. Yes, he's like one of the most accurate. I heard like
00:43:43
Speaker
He only misses like one out of 10. So when you're hitting from 45 plus every time, that's damn good. You can't be taking a penalty even around midfield when Daly's on the pitch against you. At that, if you want to be a world-class 10, you should be hitting anything under the halfway mark. So in my opinion, now I could be very wrong.
00:44:03
Speaker
And that could be, that could be. Depends on conditions, depends on, you know, but, but at the same time, you know, certainly, certainly inside the, the other 10 meter line, you know, when, you know, 40 meters. Yeah, absolutely. That's a good, you know, once, once you get outside that it's a little, gets a little dicey. And so I can let off a little bit.
00:44:19
Speaker
Daley kicked one from way over and then he kicked one for about 47. So I'll give him that. Yeah. I mean, the thing about daily is, you know, the swirling wind isn't going to, you know, he just puts so much behind that kick. It's not going to go right. It's not going to go too far offline. It's not going to waver just because he's all power. So, you know, some of these other kickers that have that draw or the fade, yeah, they're going to struggle as it gets a little further out because they're really trying to massage that in and not really not just
00:44:49
Speaker
Crush it through like daily does so so he just has a different style that kind of helped like it's funny like the fact that his leg is so strong I think actually helps make him more accurate at long distances than sort of better than short distances. Yeah, it's one of those. Yes I don't know that I'd want him to too close Well, there's a reason that he doesn't take anything right and he's not their goal kicker right still soap water now and he's good with open play, too they
00:45:14
Speaker
And really, the last thing that it came to for me was just, you know, I usually only give a few keynotes. I write a billion of them down, but I only want to take away a few. He's the last only they had two opportunities with men in the bin.
00:45:32
Speaker
And they came away with, out of the two yellow cards, four points plus. Four point difference between the two yellow cards. That's what they had. They had four point positive out of the 20 minutes that they had a man advantage. One of them was near the end of the game. That's where it really should have been the most critical and you should have stepped up and said, hey man advantage, let's go, let's go. You can get a lost bonus point out of the deal. Something.
00:46:01
Speaker
Yeah, so that is the end of Wasp run more than likely. What do they have? What? Three? Yeah, three. Three. Shoot, Bath have five. At least Bath have five. But yeah, so they have three and it's
00:46:17
Speaker
Night night. They're they're out That'll be it for them They can concentrate and really they probably need to concentrate on the premier ship to make top four I mean really tops the premier ships all over the place. We can talk about that another day, but
00:46:32
Speaker
Damn, so they can concentrate on that now. So that is the end for Was to lose stay top and they will, I think we're going to have a hell of a match at the RDS come into this pool play in January between them and the boys in blue from Dublin.
00:46:49
Speaker
All right. Yeah. Um so we're on to uh Toulon versus Montpellier and uh so you chose you chose this match happily. I'm I think you're out of your mind but that's just me. We had a 38-28 final in the end. It was it was nice open field play um again kind of just a lot of fun. So um I
00:47:12
Speaker
What i really like to see is just a little bit of creativity in their lineup. They felt that they weren't getting the ball enough to Sevilla. So what do they do? Put him at 12. That was interesting because there were times where he looked at a place,
00:47:32
Speaker
And like, you know, just wasn't where he really was comfortable being. It wasn't out of place, just a comfort issue more than anything. But overall, it was a good experiment and it ended up with the win. Let's start with the bad. Two players with injuries that looked concerning. One worse than the other. Goosen? Oh, really? Yeah. Bad looked ugly knee injury. It was twisted and an impact to it.
00:48:02
Speaker
Just yeah, just thinking about it. Oh, yeah and seeing and they kept showing it They always do that. I know they always do nothing else to show because the guy's getting the stretcher it off the field Yeah, and there's somebody I know that likes to look at it. Yes No, yes Meanwhile, we're watching it, you know, it just walks in basically when that happens and is like oh man. Oh
00:48:24
Speaker
Oh, why are they showing? I'm like, I don't know why they're showing. Please no, please no. And later Bonneville went off with his shoulder wrapped up in his jersey like a sling. That's usually a bad thing. Right. So two concerning injuries. Hope both players are OK. And then again, the tale of tactics. Again, good and bad.
00:48:53
Speaker
Not not early. I wouldn't say early in the match a little bit uh, um, There was somewhat middle of the match. I didn't actually write down the uh Didn't actually write down the timing of it. That's one thing I missed because I was just too I was in it and i'm watching it and nakosi breaks off this long run The uh, the wing for too long they were they wanted him and cevilla working together It brings up a nice long run run up the left wing
00:49:19
Speaker
and and and just tearing through their territory and i'm screaming at the because i i really want to see what's going to happen here because because who do i want them to get the ball to so of course he's gonna finish it just always the bus you have this yeah everybody's focused on the left side i'm sure he's somewhere around mid field just screaming of that ball too just like i'm screaming from a couple hundred miles away a couple thousand miles away whatever close enough for government work yeah right um and no they go forward crash forward crash then severe
00:49:49
Speaker
And what happens? He's always caught up. He's in traffic. And he doesn't have support because they just use the forwards. Yeah. So all the forwards are tired. They just ran up the field and then did some crashes. And so, yeah, Montpellier turned it over and Stein just tears through them for a try. And I'm just like, all you had to do.
00:50:09
Speaker
was get the ball to fucking Sevilla. And probably this match is over. That's a kind of go home, we got this. And it just didn't work. But then now this time I wrote down the timing because I wanted to make sure I got it right. 76 minute and it's still a tight match. Again, broken play. This time the ball finds Sevilla in space. And he attacks that, if I'm not mistaken, he actually attacks that A gap.
00:50:38
Speaker
They had the post right off the breakdown. Because that was just wide open. Breaks through the line. Now this time it's Nicosia out there on the wing screaming for it. He just pops it out there, nice long pass. But boom, right on for the try. It's like, how hard is that? When you have, make a tactical lineup change to put a wing at 12 because you want to get in the ball more.
00:51:03
Speaker
Better give him the fucking ball when you have the opportunity to so yeah, like again a fun match a lot of scores and Really? Yeah, and Looking at season. Yeah, and I don't think there were too many handbags in this one. Just just the injuries and
00:51:24
Speaker
But uh, there's a frustration. Oh, yeah. Well, he's really had an English referee So he's not letting them get away with the shit at the breakdown. So we're free to burn Z Pierce Oh Luke Pierce
00:51:36
Speaker
And so, he's managing where the French like to fuck around. And so, and we'll get to that later. There's a point where I want to get to that in a later match. Oh no, the match we want to talk about together. In the Saris match. Where you have kind of the opposite going on.
00:51:55
Speaker
No, but I thought he kind of managed it well. Again, I didn't think there were too many handbags. I'm sure there were a few, but not enough for me to make a point of it. It was more that, to me, I was still enjoying the open play aspect of that match. So a lot of fun. And when Tulan actually uses their players right, they did well. And so now Tulan, where are they?
00:52:25
Speaker
Uh, they are still bottom of their pool. I remember right. Yeah, they are. That's a that's a fun pool actually. It's a really funny looking pool honestly to see Edinburgh on top of it until on at the bottom of it. Yeah, that doesn't make sense. But maybe that'll change once. Oh, yeah. Well, that's right. Because uh, didn't Newcastle gave? Oh, no, never mind. I'm off. I'm way off in the weeds. Yeah. Okay. Come back. We miss you.
00:52:54
Speaker
No, hopefully too long this starts them off. It might. I mean, that's a dangerous team if you can let them if they get going. Yeah, it really is. I hope I hope they don't just for our sake.
00:53:11
Speaker
Uh, yeah, so, uh, do, do, so they're, they're both tied bottom of the pole with six, right? Yeah. Yeah. Two on top top. So it seems like the next week I would assume would be to basically knock knock team out, whoever, whoever doesn't win next week, those two. Yeah. They just leave me out of it. So, so the, the rematch next week or this coming weekend, that that'd be a big one. That'll be a big one for both teams. So let's see how they both respond.
00:53:39
Speaker
To along with a 10.1 3828 over Montpellier. They will be going to Montpellier this coming weekend for the rematch
00:53:48
Speaker
All right. Are we up to next monster? Oh, it's very fast. Oh, back right right into it. Yeah, you you get you get double duty there. That's OK. Once again, this match should be very interesting next week. They and oddly enough, it was kind of a it was a tale of two halves for for Tyburn. And I'll come to that later. The first it was six and a half. Don't tell me it's a tale of two. I mean, I need to I need two good halves.
00:54:18
Speaker
No, he, so the first half, so it's six nothing monster at half. We come back and the announcer tells us...
00:54:25
Speaker
If you just joined us, you've missed nothing. Oh, that's never a good sign. That's never a good sign. And he was absolutely right. Really fucking nothing happened the first time. I mean, Munster had a lot of good at attacking opportunities. Let's be honest. It was their match. They were in control the whole way. And
00:54:50
Speaker
Tibern really fucked up two of their opportunities. He had a couple knock-ons, just bad knock-ons that just weren't going their way. But then he came back in the second half and just earned a couple of two key turnovers the other way. That led to at least one try, if not maybe a penalty kick or what have you.
00:55:13
Speaker
Yeah, just responding to mistakes in their own end. Yeah, which was was huge that How months did that especially in the second half? Just turning you know opportunities that the few opportunities that that cast had into points from yeah Yeah, yep. Yeah, we'll do it. Oh man, so like there was a oh, yeah Would you have?
00:55:38
Speaker
There was a bad kick to touch by Cass. The referee was shouting, brought back, brought back, brought back.
00:55:49
Speaker
and um still decided to kick it and i think yeah yeah that's a freaking brain fart right there that'll drive a coach absolutely crazy right that'll make you tear a hair tear out there yeah i can't remember if that was uh if that was spitting or it might have been kombazoo betting who but uh one of them and then he was just looked at the ref like he was angry the ref was like i told you three fucking times
00:56:12
Speaker
Listen, I told you. I just didn't hear. It was Doyle. That was JP Doyle. JP Doyle. He was loud. He managed that game pretty well. Yeah, he's not usually quiet. But this game got pretty handbaggy, because CJ Standard scores a try to make it 23-0. It's 68 minutes. It's over. I have it written in my notes right about there. This game's over. Game over. And that wasn't the end of the scoring, obviously. Henry Hand scored another try immediately afterwards.
00:56:42
Speaker
just get nasty pushing and shoving and stupid that that i will say i didn't see who it was on cast start but clearly started it so much of it yeah shoving a monster player well after the whistle um and yeah so
00:56:58
Speaker
Again, there's not much to say about about cast here. Well, they're they're having a rough year on and in after winning it last year, they're having a rough year. They're not even right now as it stands. They're not even in what they call the barrage, which is the playoff. So they are they're probably extremely frustrated. I don't know anything about what's going on with their team because I actually don't think I've watched any of their games at this point. So I guess when we picked big games, I know which one I need to pick. Yeah.
00:57:24
Speaker
And let's, uh, one last one, um, talk about, uh, responding to mistakes in your own end. Um, Cash had a penalty kick about fifth, about 10 minutes into the second half, missed it. Connor Murray's there at the back of the, the tri zone to, to field it and knocks it on. Yeah. So, uh, leads to the five-eater scum and, and monster just owned, they just shoved him back in the scrum. That's usually a strong point for them. Right.
00:57:52
Speaker
And they go, they try to pick and there's, um, oh, Manny and, and Chloe there for, to, to, to push them back and get the turnover ball. And then they clear it. And it's like, that's, you know, it's, it sounds simple, but so many teams struggle to respond. You know, it's so easy. You have a little knock like that that can just shake your entire confidence and shake your team. Yeah.
00:58:15
Speaker
So it's, again, that response there, the one, the try-by scandal after that bad kick that was brought into touch. And then, you know, so Castro has mistaken their own end, shits the bed, and then a couple of minutes later, there's a monster shit in the bed on their own end, but responding well by...
00:58:37
Speaker
It's the difference sometimes between two teams. What do you do when you're going to make mistakes? It's a matter of how you respond to your mistakes. And really, that's exactly how this game is going to go. It doesn't matter if it's monster and cast or your club team from your local area. It doesn't matter. It's going to change the game either way.
00:58:58
Speaker
Castro's getting upset because we talked about it. I think I mentioned it to you during the game, you know, the French we talk, you know, we talk about that like they're play, play, play. Yeah. Well, they couldn't do it because Munster's defense was just shutting them down. They were complete. They're extremely physical and making every tackle. And that just got in the cash. They got in their heads. Yeah. And they just couldn't get out of it. And then the referee wasn't really helping them out that they felt
00:59:24
Speaker
And not that they deserved any help or needed any help. It's just no they're monsters playing excellent defense Like if you want to get something create it yourself. Yeah, and they just weren't doing it. So so they ended up uh, you know Trying to earn some respect after the whistle instead of before which is just never works. Well Referee usually gives you gives you shit if nothing else, right? That's not gonna it's not gonna help you in any way shape or form Well, the one try they got was on my team. That's all I cared about
00:59:51
Speaker
I was super happy to see standard score because I was I had him on my team and he was he was earning points for me because just tackling machine gigantic bees and then then putting one over makes me I mean they got some physical presences between guys like burn and oh money and him standard Yeah, I'm sorry with standard scandal
01:00:09
Speaker
Yeah, just like, and even like Kanderhan's not a shy guy by any means whatsoever. He'll stick his nose in there pretty well for a guy that's supposed to be, you know, a back. He pretends he's not a back sometimes. But yeah, so, Munster won 30-5, a cast kit.
01:00:28
Speaker
very very consolation try at the end after Munster get a yellow card. So casts are also in deep doo-doo. They have five points in their pool. Munster there at 11. Gloucester are gonna try and chase them down. It'll be interesting when Gloucester has to go to Tillman Park. That'll be
01:00:47
Speaker
Or no, I think Voster hosts them. I could be wrong. Either way, whenever they match up again, it doesn't matter whether it works. I'm watching that whether or not I get that message. Yeah, that should be an interesting one to watch.
01:01:01
Speaker
All right, let's talk about our friends. Wait, we're going to go to our friends or my enemies first? Well, we're going to save the best for last. This was, man, this score line is not flattering to Cardiff in the way they played, unfortunately, because I thought they played a lot better than what this score line is dictating, wherever they got doubled up. And I disagree.
01:01:27
Speaker
Well, their first half. Right. Well, see, okay. So, we were bitching about it the whole, and I'm... Well, the referee was the... The bitching point was not the opposing team. They were doing as they needed to and playing fine. It was the referee that I had the issue with. But to me, that was the problem. There were...
01:01:48
Speaker
Three tries called back. Yeah, I think just in the first half. I think there was another one or at least not given. Yeah. Two of which were tries. Yeah. Yeah. The one the roads try. And then I guess I think you spotted Ray. I couldn't tell who it was. It was either Ray or Berger. It looked like they had gotten it down and he didn't even freaking ignite.
01:02:07
Speaker
Nobody acknowledged it. I was actually really surprised that I was like, um, yeah That's down on the line. Am I am I crazy off and it was off a line out? Um, line up mall and and at some point you see you see bodies flying over the line You might want to say, you know what? I I want to check. I want to look at that, right? They didn't do it. Okay, that's fine. That's understood Yeah, um, I I just thought that there was a little harsh on on saris and um
01:02:31
Speaker
It seems to me, and I even wrote it down when I get to it. 55th minute, my note is, ref tide changes, because that was, I think, when he decided, you know what, Cardiff, I gave you every opportunity to stay in this match. I feel like some of these French referees, and especially plot, I fucking can't stand plot.
01:02:52
Speaker
We're talking about the same guy that blew the knock-on call in the All Blacks Lions final test. Right. And he wants a good match. And I get where they're coming from. I'm not saying that I don't understand it, because I understand it. I just don't like it. He wants to see a fun match. He wants to see a good, tight match where both teams get a chance to play. And when one team is coming into this and clearly has the advantage, in this case it's Saracens, they're the favorite,
01:03:21
Speaker
He's going to give a little bit of a boost to to the opponent just to see a good match. Just what do you got? Show me something. I'll give you a little bit before, you know, before. And then it seemed as though once people and I know once we made way. Yeah, exactly. It's like you don't have to give them anything. Just or I mean, you can give them what you need to give them. Don't take anything away from from the opponent. It's not their fault. They're better. That should be a good thing fact. But then, you know, 55th minute or so, he's like, you know what?
01:03:48
Speaker
I gave you every opportunity. This isn't your day. I'm just gonna call even. I think that was when he called. I think he had to get a card at that point. And I was just like, all right. I think he's- Yeah, Ollie Robinson got a card. Right. And I think he just told Cardiff, I gave you 55 minutes and you put up a fight, but it's over. So I'm just gonna- And that was the turning point for sure because they scored two tries while Ollie Robinson was sitting in the pen. Right.
01:04:16
Speaker
That's no good for them. Our old buddy Blaine Scully gets over the line. Yeah. Good, bad to see. Damn it. Great job, you bastard. Blaine, I thought we were friends. Yeah, it was good. There's a certain pundit out there that's an idiot and said that Samu got over the line on Twitter. I'm like, are you actually paying attention to this match? Are you just trying to be in the conversation
01:04:45
Speaker
and haphazardly going about this because i mean that would be kind of his style it's pretty much all the american announcers yeah i know right i don't i don't mind him there's a there's another one that i get oh well there's another one there's the one there's the one there's one out there that i'm that every american rugby fan knows what i'm talking about i won't say his effing name because i don't want to do that high up there god damn it he's annoying as hell and he's okay digress back to what we were talking about um
01:05:13
Speaker
Ben Earl's intercept and that came from so this is this is the turn the point where it really really showed that Saracen's decided they were done screwing around because their defense was backing Cardiff up so hard and their pressure was coming it was going it was going and then finally somebody's just the pressure makes them fold and somebody makes a bad decision Earl is there for the intercept to read it like a book and he's only freaking not even 20 meters out is he yeah somewhere around there right
01:05:41
Speaker
but yeah so I mean and that's that's the that is the Saracens way that's the strength of the wolf as they say that that was it right there it came right out texted me that immediately on that one it's like yep that'll do they all have their their jobs they all did them and then and are always like yeah I'll just you know while I'm doing my job sauntering in for a try speaking of sauntering in for a try
01:06:00
Speaker
let's talk about some christian judge that's right he got over let's talk about good boy sweet prop try yeah fatty try not not one where you know you gotta love you gotta love pushover tries are fun but they're fun and and you got the yeah the and the the right everything that's inside the five he scored from just inside the 22 so he's you know big fall big fall one for a run good 15 20 meter running you need some oxygen afterwards i'm sure but yeah but the the the the one thing that i i love seeing too and we all do
01:06:30
Speaker
is the reaction and not just they were all so happy not i mean this guy he's he's on loan he's not even you place for cornish right generally this is and he's going to he just scored a try on the champions cup he's probably just like so where's my contract
01:06:47
Speaker
And they're all super excited for them. And why wouldn't they be? But at the same time, it's like, you know, this guy's kind of a stranger. He's not really like a part of the team in the way some of the other guys who are coming up are. But he's a guy who, you know, they selected him for a reason, right? They brought him in for a reason. And the players all are responding to him. So it's, you know, everybody loves the underdog. So great to see him.
01:07:13
Speaker
to see a prop try, great to see, you know, it's all those things in one. It's the prop try, it's the underdog, it's the guy who's given you everything he's got while he has that time. And maybe he gets a contract. Maybe it's not with Saracens. They said that there are clubs interested, and I can promise you that if they need somebody, they are low on props. There are definitely teams that are low on props. Need a tight head? Yeah, you need. Were we talking about that? Hello, Newcastle.
01:07:38
Speaker
That happened to Toulouse too, I think, too. They had a guy that hadn't played Tighthead for a while and he ended up starting for them because of just necessity. Seems like a theme that was going on. We do have to mention the Morgan try, the Matthew Morgan try. He carved us right the hell up. Oh man, he made a lot of people on that try look silly. I was mad as I was at it. You have to look back at it and be like,
01:08:02
Speaker
Damn, he did well just to like, he found the, it was not a great kick and then it was just a great response to just find the space and say, all right, nobody's gonna occupy this space, bye. Yeah, I will take it. Yeah, so.
01:08:17
Speaker
It was a if you haven't seen it, you should go watch highlight reels. It'll be out there. I promise it's a damn good try But in the end the highlight reel might go to Cardiff, but the victory goes to Saracens 51 25 for the guys for the guys in black points now in the In the pool Cardiff are left on a lifeline. They're not done, but they are gonna need a lot of help
01:08:42
Speaker
They're gonna need a lot of help, a lot of help, a lot of help. There are teams with like, almost no points. Yeah, there are teams that are at the bottom of their pools that have more points than them and they're in second. There's only two pools with teams that have double digit points and they're in one of them. Oh, you mean as the runner up? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's bad. So it's, you know, Cardiff with four.
01:09:12
Speaker
Uh, they're yeah, they're gonna be they're gonna they're gonna struggle to yeah to do anything from here But we'll see what happens. They gotta you know Saracen's got to go to Cardiff next week. We'll see what happens. Um, I i'd say it'll be just as strong of a lineup It'll be it was good to see mako back. Yeah, they gave me man. They gave him man the match I'm not sure he had i'm not sure he had the man of the match performance that they thought but apparently somebody has a
01:09:36
Speaker
Has quite the rager for I Don't think it was I talked about it. Mine was was roadie. I think both. Yeah did everything three tries Yeah, I thought he I thought he did we talked about he does everything well He doesn't do anything like spectacularly. He does everything well and it and this was a case for Rosie He did everything very well in this game. Yeah, so I thought I
01:10:03
Speaker
It should've gone to him, but either way, it doesn't matter. He won't give a shit. It's just one. It's just the little glass thing. He wants to win. He wants to hold the trophy at the end of the competition. Yeah, so. And then the last game, Rassing and Lester, this was entertaining.
Lester's Performance Issues
01:10:20
Speaker
They're not your friends, but damn it, this was entertaining.
01:10:23
Speaker
Um, a, you know, Lester really chalk it up to just being a bonehead at the beginning of each half. Two yellow cards. Uh, one at seven, one at, one at 47. Um, you know, and what do you mean? Manu was a little bit unlucky. Um, it was a high tackle that, you know, it was, I think it stopped. It stopped a break or a word. So that's why they said, yeah. Yeah.
01:10:48
Speaker
Um, but and it was a little it was a little it wasn't like super nasty, but it was probably something that needs to Yeah, well fix cards and lester go together like peanut butter and junk I was going to say lamb and tuna fish Also those also those oh man, um, but yeah, they I mean
01:11:11
Speaker
They did so you got to give them credit. They scored with one of them on one of their men in the bin Situations, they've got loads of talent. They do journal journal homes did leave much assholes Yes, that might also be true Also, Matt Tamua should never not start in that back line. It should be Ford Tamua and to a lagging to a man. Oh
01:11:34
Speaker
I think that's gonna and again kind of like with sips just to move is a distributor takes the pressure off Ford a little bit Especially in those games. He just doesn't I mean until Ford proved that he's got the ability to win games that are ugly Like we talked about last week. I think you have to give him a little bit of relief Amount of score scored scored a fun-looking try where they went one way then went the other But that was good
01:12:02
Speaker
Ford, I'll give him this, he was very good in this match. He was doing everything in his power to get Lester some points. At the very least, when they walked away from this, they did walk away with a tri-bonus. They didn't get a losing bonus point, but they walked away with a tri-bonus, so give them that.
01:12:23
Speaker
They're not completely dead in the water, but they are gonna need to rock up and take away max points in the next three games. I know we have about it. Yeah, Rassing, Nakarawa was just a problem in that lineup. He really is. He's a gigantic human being and he showed it. I was like, oh my God, this guy, they can't get anything beyond this guy. So he was really good. Ben Russell was creating,
01:12:51
Speaker
You know I like in Finn Russell a little bit to the Cipriani where he throws some passes that don't have a business any business being thrown But some but they work when and when they work you like Yeah, he's definitely in the right team for that that's for sure But yeah, certainly in the right country. So yeah, I thought they said that the Ellis Ginge one of the
01:13:15
Speaker
One of the commentators said the Ellis Ganz yellow was a little harsh. I was like, you kind of know where the hell you are. Because they said, oh, he probably thought it was the scrum still. There was a ruck formed right off the scrum, must have been a pick or whatever.
Referee Decisions and Consequences
01:13:30
Speaker
And he might have thought it was still a scrum, but you've got to be aware of where the hell you are and pick the ball instead of getting on your side and picking the ball up. From that side, he just went over and picked it up and ran like hell down the field.
01:13:42
Speaker
would have been great if he was on sides but he wasn't and it was right on the five so they're like oh boy so uh Nigel Lawrence was the referee here and he said um you're dumb here take this and go sit for 10 really you have to be aware you have you have to be aware but as a referee you should be aware that it's a prop and how many opportunities is a prop gonna get to pick up that ball and run that kind of distance with it just say you know what sir i'm not sure i'm not sure Nigel knows that
01:14:12
Speaker
I'm not sure he's aware of that situation. I love Nigel but but uh that's and I of course I didn't see the play so who am I to question the great Nigel Oh yeah but uh I'm straighter than that yeah yeah dude I love Nigel um yeah he's one of those like I'll when when I'm watching football and um you know American football and I see again the Gus Johnson's on like I did
01:14:37
Speaker
You know something fun always happens when Nigel's refereeing a match Yes, I love it if you can if you can do a good job and and entertain
01:14:52
Speaker
at the same time.
Racing's Stadium Oddities
01:14:54
Speaker
So I would think that Nigel would be a little bit more lenient towards a large gentleman who doesn't normally get to handle the ball, having a little bit of fun with it and say, you know what, it's just a penalty this time. Again, just a little thick. No ill intent, just a little overexcited. Yeah, he's kind of a knucklehead, but that's OK. He's on the right team then.
01:15:16
Speaker
uh wrestling win 36 26 that stadium is really weird to me still it's the one with the square ball all on one end yeah and i i mean shit where the hell is your revenue for that yeah like you're not going to get any seats over there i don't think so yeah and it's indoors so it's really weird okay i i i have a hard time playing in that in that stuff just with the
01:15:42
Speaker
It's indoors and the turf and yeah Yeah, no, I mean the wrestling players say they love it. But Be I think going there is probably I think teams traveling there are definitely gonna be distracted. Yeah disadvantage right there so but yeah wrestling will
01:16:02
Speaker
go to wellford row and see if they can more or less clench their pool.
Racing's Path to Pool Victory
01:16:07
Speaker
I mean, yeah, they have to, they still have to go to, um, they still have to go to Belfast. So that'll be, that'll probably be the toughest challenge they have left. Uh, they're hosting Scarlett, the Scarlett's in the last game of the game of the pool is going to be, Oh boy, it's going to be ugly.
01:16:26
Speaker
Right. So, you know, they take they take care of business against Ulster, you know, at least walk away with a point or two. Yeah, if not, not the wind, then they could wrap it up really fairly short order. But again, that's assuming that they go and even if they go and take care of business next week, that could be the pool. So yeah, I think if I think if they win that match, that'll be that'll be the end. Yeah, for them.
01:16:54
Speaker
All right, so let's just touch on our lineups for a second. So basically the only thing I can, I can see in my lineup, I had Grubler that had a bunch of tacklers, Grubler and Grubler the second rower from Gloucester. I think he had, do you have 20 tackles?
01:17:14
Speaker
He had some stupid number. Yeah, he had 20 tackles. But he had line-up seals. That's the other thing I talked about last time I did Europe was line-up seals. If the other team's line-out is a little iffy, definitely throw a second row. And you have the option to throw a second row in there that they're going against. It might be worth it. It's a point every time you steal a line-out. Right. And Grubbler is one of their best jumpers. So when he's in there, he's going to be the guy that goes up. So that was cool.
01:17:44
Speaker
I had one, two, three, three tries plus a try assist, and plus I had Farrell as my kicker, and obviously he had a good day. Yeah, I had three tries plus a try assist. I had Armand, Laval, who got the lone score for Cass, and Colbay from Toulouse, and then I had a try assist from John Cooney.
01:18:12
Speaker
All right, which uh, which was a couple of them actually I think but yeah, so that's where mine came from and i'm still struggling with the format learning the ins and outs of it um and So i'm i'm kind of learning what's what's valuable what's not depending because it's a different whole point set up than yeah Uh than what we've been used to right for the premiership. So, um, I realized that you know tries are valued playing full matches valued and and tackles are are like
01:18:41
Speaker
a little bit of a more of a premium now because because there's such low scoring um yeah you know you guys are gonna make tackles right guys that can score as many ways as possible exactly so uh i i lucked out um i got a try from from cj stander who i i had assumed the rest of his points had come from from tackles uh but no it was that he got a full full played the full 80 he only made only made eight tackles which confused me well i mean sometimes 41 meters but but the one try yeah the meters help
01:19:11
Speaker
And then, yeah, it was really that standard in my back line. Everyone else, my whole pack outside of standard got four points. Low head five. But yeah, other than that, slim pickings. But I had Colby with 10, Faz.
01:19:28
Speaker
uh it was my kicker 23 yeah right uh Stockdale and Davies at center yeah Stockdale's let's go yeah that that's a good one sub I I um I went in I had to sub out I had to use all my my transfers I did too and sadly I had to get rid of a Toejay because uh yeah he's got chip in his freaking knee that's a shame really really bad news for Saracen's hopefully that's thankfully they cover but shit yeah um that's that's not there's no there's no actual cover for him all right no
01:19:56
Speaker
Um, but, uh, Nat Thai and, and, uh, Hugh Jones were my centers to start the day. And I said, you know what? Nope. Nat Thai wasn't playing and Hugh Jones was on the bench. So, uh, I filled in with, with Stockdale and Davies there. Um, I, I think I ended up signing, uh, I sent toolists. Yeah. That didn't work out for me. Not a lot there. So I have, I'm going to have other options. I need to figure out, uh, going into next week, uh, I'm thinking, um, hog at 15 has got to go. Um, um,
01:20:24
Speaker
It's a lot of right. It's a lot of money for not much fantasy production. Yeah Produce. He's just not gonna produce in this format. Exactly. So so I got to move on from him. Yeah But Spate did well for me and then James Lowe surprisingly did Jack and shit. Yeah, I didn't I captained him. So that was a lot to Sort that one out. Maybe it'd be fast. We'll get the double the C and the K the D and the other the old C and the K Yep, that's what we can hope for
01:20:54
Speaker
looking forward to the you know a couple of the matches coming up this week too because uh they're all rematches so it's again that whole you know a bunch of hate the face kind of yeah set up especially especially looking at that uh you know what's going to happen with uh glosser and exeter right all right i beat you this week bastard you're picking first i'm picking first all right let me get to this uh
01:21:21
Speaker
Well, my first pick is going to be Gloucester Exeter. Yeah, again, it'll probably be a game I end up watching anyway afterwards. But yeah, initial go. I would like to do do do do do do.
Upcoming Gloucester vs. Exeter Match
01:21:44
Speaker
There's not a lot there's not a lot of good holes in it to pick from there's not I mean there is but there isn't I'm you know what? Yeah, let's go let's go with with the RDS let's go Lenster Lenster, I like that. That's a good call by you. Yeah, let's go Yeah, I'll take the luster match of the RDS against bath. All right
01:22:08
Speaker
I want to see, again, I said I wanted to see how the reaction is, so I'm going to go with Cast Monster again. Okay.
01:22:18
Speaker
Cause I want to, I want, I want to see how, how cast responded home and see if they get all punchy again. Yeah. If I watch a second game, I'll probably end up watching that one an extra second, extra game. The other one I only snuck in last night. So, um, let's see. I would like to watch.
01:22:44
Speaker
So few games that are gonna actually be entertaining at this point Newcastle Edinburgh watch the reverse of that. All right See if they can yes usually Newcastle can pull their heads out of their asses. Yeah, sir You know what I want to see I want to see how wasps respond I want to see and I want to see to lose so I'm gonna go with wasps to lose the wasps
01:23:12
Speaker
Well, I gotta watch one of the Friday games, I guess. I watched the Ulster game. I think going back to Belfast with Scarlett's out, again, I think Scarlett's will be professional and show up and play a good game, but I think Ulster's going to tear her apart. There you go. And I want to see Glasgow, so I'm going to go Glasgow hosting Lyon.
01:23:38
Speaker
And I'll take the frungees. All right. So I get, I get to watch. Well, I get, you know, I get my side piece and I get my, my mortal enemies. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Rossing and go Rossing.
01:23:56
Speaker
Yep. It'll probably be a lot of harassing. There aren't many matches in this where I'm honestly picking a side. But I get to watch three this weekend where I get to do that. So I'm pretty excited about that.
01:24:11
Speaker
Yeah, so as it stands right now, the teams going through will be wrestling and Saracens will be the top two seeds. No, no, no question. Toulouse will be right behind them. Munster and Edinburgh will be the two teams behind Toulouse.
01:24:26
Speaker
The best runners up right now are Leinster, Glasgow, and Ulster. And everybody else outside of that is chasing those teams. So that's where we're at. Yeah, Wasp, Exeter, Leon, Scarlett's all probably out having lost or having not won in three games because I think one of them. Yeah, Wasp had a draw. So yeah, those teams are out.
01:24:56
Speaker
and probably just playing for pride.
Join the Super Rugby League
01:25:00
Speaker
I do want to note while we are slowly coming up on the Super Rugby season. Yes, we are. And so we're going to go to a different format. Yeah, another format. Yeah, and I do want to invite everybody out there. We're going to go with a draft format.
01:25:19
Speaker
super rugby if we get if we don't get enough for a league you and i will just join a random one but if we can get you know if we can get say six people to uh um in the league i think well i think we can run with it i think we could find six people yeah so i think um so if there's anybody out there that wants to have have a little fun with us and play some pretend rugby out there um we would certainly welcome you to come join us um and if you're too scared then
01:25:45
Speaker
Yeah, well, if you don't know how to get ahold of us, you can certainly email the show, which will be in the show notes and I'll give it at the end of the show as well. The first game is February 15th. It'll be here before you know it, which means we need to put this out there now because we want to draft
01:26:07
Speaker
at a somewhat decent time and you know, hopefully not kind of like NFL. You don't want to draft too far away, but you certainly don't want to. So are we going to do this like in the style of Super Rugby or should we have our draft at like three in the morning?
01:26:22
Speaker
Yeah. Anybody that doesn't know, we end up watching most of these games on replay because they're all when we're asleep. At least for Super Rugby. Yeah, with the exception of the South Africa games and the games that are played in Argentina. Right. We usually can watch those in real time if we so desire. But yeah, so anybody out there that wants to have that with us was some pretend rugby in the Super Rugby League. We certainly welcome all challengers.
01:26:52
Speaker
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01:27:03
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01:27:21
Speaker
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