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Tumblereads 11: HEATED RIVALRY IS COMING TO HBO MAX! Slash bowdlerization
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Erin had a plan to talk about something serious and erudite but got distracted by *big television announcements* and spent the first half squeeing.
Show notes at smutreport.com/podcast
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Transcript
Introduction to Tumble Reads
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Speaker
na na na smart report hello and welcome to the smart report podcast it's tumble reads again again yay i'm erin i'm i' ingrid dang it i'm ingrid And to remind all of our wonderful listeners, Tumble Reads is our short form podcast where I set a timer. So I guess I should remember to actually do that and talk about whatever strikes our fancy for 30 minutes and kind of not edit it. So.
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Speaker
You're welcome for that. ah It's really, Tumblr Reads, but it's also the Wild West conversationally is what we're going Exactly.
Heated Rivalry Adaptation
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So, y'all, I had a plan for today, but let's throw that garbage out the window because Heated Rivalry rates got purchased by HBO Max and that's all that we care about. I was like, hey, husband, I don't have to go to Canada every Friday for the next six weeks. He's like, you weren't going to do that anyway. I was like, yeah, that's what you think. Yeah.
00:01:04
Speaker
Okay, Erin. I also don't have HBO, so still not going to be watching it. You don't toggle on and off your subscriptions? Erin, that is too much for me to manage in my brain. That's And I don't want to pay for all of that.
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And, you
Managing Streaming Subscriptions
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know. Wait, so how many streaming services do you subscribe to, just out of curiosity? That I pay for? Yes. Two. Okay, so you pay for two. well that's restricted. And then how many do you use? s Three. Okay.
00:01:36
Speaker
Erin, how many do you have at any given point in time? I think right now we just have two because usually I don't really watch shows. And ah so if we have subscribed to, usually we subscribe to something for a reason, right? Like, yeah, um we got rid of Prime a long time ago, but I did resubscribe to watch just to the video for when Red, White and Royal Blue came out because I couldn't get it otherwise. Yeah.
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And so then, you know, when we've subscribed, usually my husband will watch whatever was outstanding that hasn't been watched yet. And then we can't kill it. or See, but it's it but yeah, it's your husband, right? Who actually does the canceling?
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No, I do it. Oh, wow. Okay. aen Yeah, I toggle it on and off because I have to set myself reminders. I mean, you sometimes it'll be like, he'll say I'm done. And then maybe I'll forget for a month. But i if I add it to my list of things to do, I can usually follow through. All right, we can't.
00:02:36
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I want to so subscribe to nothing because I know that we aren't going to remember to cancel it. And my partner, husband, man, wants to he wants to do the errand method, but he never cancels them. And then I'm like, why are we paying for six subscription services? And he's like, well, I wanted to watch this show on this one. Anyway, he think I'm always like, this is entirely too many subscription services. And then he's always like, well, I don't understand. a lot of people have a lot of them and I don't think that they do. So this is great evidence for me to be like, this is too much.
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You can't even watch that many. You'd have to watch a different channel every day. Yeah. Yeah. I think people who are used to watching a lot of TV maybe. But he isn't. He doesn't. And then. No, like were in their past. You know, like, oh, the TV. Like in my husband's house.
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And I'm not sure. I'm not sure it was his parents. It might have been his siblings. Like the TV was always on when I went over there. Like always on. And they had cable. And if it wasn't, you know, VH1, it was sports. um But we didn't have that.
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no In our house. So I don't care. And I usually I'm like... if
Discussion on TV Shows
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If I get into a show like I am so so if I'm so psyched that I am willing to subscribe, then it's on. But otherwise, Hubs has to drag me kind of kicking and screaming down to watch a show with him. And I'm like, OK, fine, I'll watch this one with you. Or I'm like, no, thank you. You go watch that one by yourself. I would rather read my books.
00:03:58
Speaker
So speaking of books. ah Okay, but speaking of shows, you got have you guys seen the trailer for Ten Dance? Oh my god! Yes, let's watch it! Wait, didn't I send it to you or did you send it to us? Oh, it's it's the Japanese male male ballroom dancing enemies to lovers? Oh my gosh!
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i think yeah right and i was like it's like it's rivalry but make it i thought it was korean it's japanese no it's okay but make it japanese but make it ballroom dance and we're also gonna watch that yeah yeah that one's on netflix which is one of the that we do pay for this is exciting mainly because my children are obsessed with ninjago like been there oh um Don't recommend it.
00:04:43
Speaker
Don't go down that path, friends. um It's not always a path you choose. It is not always a path you choose. Actually, Erin, I blame you because our kids watched it while they were what you guys visit when you guys visited us. And my like,
00:04:58
Speaker
what's this what's this it's ridiculous it's okay this too shall pass they don't watch it anymore um well now so they watch other silly so there's now two we're talking so is this the theme today we're talking about romance made movies No, I have actually said I was actually going to talk about the other thing. I was just like, I'm so excited about Heated Rivalry and the fact that the the release is the same date as in Canada. So we don't even have to watch. And friends, if you're also excited about this, like, sorry, British friends. um Sucks for you, but you can go to Spain, I guess. ah But there were a whole bunch of places where the rights were purchased.
00:05:35
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Yeah. So if you are curious about if it's going to be available for you check out Rachel Reads.
Adapting Books into Films
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Well, and i am today I feel like it's important to point out that heated rivalry is like Aaron's culty.
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So like, I don't really know what Holly's is, but it's like that book where you get kind of like that squeeze. feeling in your heart like no matter how many times you read it it's just and it's not it's not like it's necessarily your favorite romance of all time it's just that it's got that squee factor you know it was my comfort read what what year was it was like I read it I read it 10 times yeah i've been probably but it was just like I feel now um And I will say my favorite childhood book, I always dreaded it being made into a movie because I was like, there's no way that they can make it like the book because it was science fiction for starters. And eventually, i don't know, maybe eight years ago or something now, they did make it into a movie and it was disappointing.
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Ender's Game. So frequently I'm like, and even with Red, White, and Royal Blue, like I was really excited for it. After I watched it the first time, and maybe I've only watched it twice, I watched it the first time and I was like, oh, they took out all the teeth that made it such ah an exciting book for me. Which, you know, when you translate a book to film, you kind of have to do because ah ah if you look at a book versus a screenplay, the script is much shorter. Yeah. Um, it's, there's just not enough room and there's frequently too many characters and so many things that they have to consider when making a movie or a show. So I get it.
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Um, and as once I watched Red, White, and Royal Blue the first time, you know, a couple weeks later, since I still had the subscription paid for, I was like, I'll go, I'll go watch it again. Yeah.
00:07:23
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While I do my, you know, whatever evening project. And if you at that point, I was like, okay, can see it on its own merits. And it was still fun to watch. but um But it is hard because I'm a bit of a purist at heart, I think. like But that's not how it was. That's not canon. But I think, first of all, the author herself is really excited about...
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The casting, the production team um was really excited about making it and trying to be ah cognizant of her vision. um And I will say the previews are like fire.
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and So I am up i'm very optimistic. Well, actually, it's funny that you bring that up and not to derail your plan because I'm sure it's a really good plan. But I was actually simultaneously thinking about this the other day.
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i did not yet know of the magnificence that was this heated rivalry on screen. So exciting! But I was thinking about it because i I was thinking to myself, man, it's crazy to me that they don't make more romance novels. Because remember the the age of the rom-com when they were doing all those rom-coms? and like Yeah, late 90s and early aughts. There were like a million. The era of the rom-com. Yeah, and i and I was like, I could see them bringing that back and people would just eat it up. But then i was I was looking, I think I was, whatever book I was reading that week, I was noticing that I think so much of the... heat and the tension and the build from romance novels comes from like um things you can't you can try to script but it might be very challenging to script like it's those little moments it's the feeling it's them yeah it's very chemistry dependent yeah and so at that point it's kind of like and then I was thinking about you know the the rom-com era and I was like yeah but I remember it was like every movie had like Meg Ryan in it or like uh I'm trying to think of the other ones but And there was just these, there were these actors and actresses. Sandra Bullock.
00:09:18
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Right. And there were these actors and actresses that just had that sauce and you could put them in anything and they would yearn and, you know, swoon. And it was just, so it just made me wonder, like, maybe it's maybe we just it's like a perfect storm and we just don't have all those ingredients and then maybe we'll have this like group of actors and actresses and the right screenwriters because i mean think about it we had who was is it nora efron who wrote all those two nora efron is the famous one yeah right so we're sitting there like that during that time we had like the screenwriters we had the actors and actresses we had the audience and everything just aligned and i'm just wondering if we don't have that right now
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and No, I think what it is is, well,
Risks in the Entertainment Industry
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I mean, maybe, sure. I think it's also a willingness to fund projects or like we've talked about in the past. And I don't remember if it was on the podcast or actually on the blog, but just like willingness to take risks. Oh, yeah. ah With creative projects. And I was actually thinking about this a lot because i finally ended up reading Poetry on Ice by Jesse H. Rain this week.
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And I was like, ah okay like I had been kicking that can down the road it was a hockey romance so I should have but I was just like no no I can't get invested or I can't whatever the story i was in my head I can't do it I can't do it so I finally did it and o it just hit so good like tension is there um and so i read the whole series that is currently published and the last one flagrant foul i cried and i was like the pining i can't take it and it wasn't even like as much pining as i've read in other books but it was just like man this slaps and so i think it's more a case of the hockey one wait it was all hockey edit and it and it slapped erin
00:11:17
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um'm sorry I'm sorry. sorry. and we tried to sneak that one by me, but you can't. I'm going to catch it. Sorry. Sorry. I wouldn't i won't deke next time. Thank you. you don't know what the deke is okay no i'm sorry no we do not wrong audience for this hello that was also it's juke nope you don't know your sports fainting terms f-e-i-n-t all right anyway i won't i did think it was fainting like passing out and i was like oh those four players
00:11:52
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maybe they're playing too hard they should take a break
00:11:58
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Okay. Anyway, i think what the issue is, is that there are so many options. And I think this was the case also. Like, there were flopped movies and flopped shows. And, like, there's, you know, Hallmark specials, which are formulaic and delightful, but don't usually have the same pizzazz, I guess, of, like, the stuff that really makes you swoon, right? And so... ah I think it's just a matter of finding the things that have the special sauce, right? Finding the authors who do get that tension right or whatever it is. So where there are just so many options. They're so easy to find. There are so many places where you can get books that, you know, there's just a lot more maybe ah pulp.
00:12:46
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Yeah. An overwhelming plethora of choice. Yeah. Cornucopia. And it's not all going to be. Well, because interestingly, you guys know that Quicksilver is going to be a movie, I guess.
00:12:58
Speaker
Oh, I didn't know that. I don't even know what Quicksilver is. Quicksilver kind of took... It's a romantic-y. course. Come on. Actually, somebody ah at the yoga studio go to was talking to me about it yesterday. Well, because they just released Brimstone, which is the second... right so they Quicksilver's the first Brimstone's the second everyone was so excited about it I have not read Brimstone yet because Quicksilver I I understood the hype but I didn't think that it was like yeah I mean this other woman was like ah ah but like she's reading it because her friend wants it to wants her to read it yeah her friend's obsessed and she's like I don't like it
00:13:34
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And this is why I've never told anybody that i recommend. Well, like Holly was like, hey, should I should i read Heated Rivalry? And i was like, no.
00:13:45
Speaker
I don't want to hear it. like That's why. No, but like, tell me you don't like it. I feel kind of bad because they, they're, everyone was so excited. They were gonna make this into a movie, but now the second book is out and it's kind of not getting great reviews right now. Now I haven't read it, second book but yeah, the second one. And I think that that is one of those things where, you know, it just came out and, you know, sometimes in series, there's one book that's kind of a bridge book and you don't know until you get to the third one. But anyway, the point is, is that I guess there were some, you know,
00:14:15
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continuity issues and stuff like that and people were kind of like oh so anyway I but i read it and I was like darn it there's so many other series that I've always thought would make such great movies or shows that are so much better keep on stumping for it but okay I'm done with this conversation let's move on to what I actually wanted to talk about so Okay, Erin. We're just blowing in the breeze of Erin's brain
Baudlerization in Romance Novels
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today. Truly, truly tumble-reasing today. I know I started it all right, but no, I'm done with that. We're moving on to the next thing. Okay. So the thing was, I came across, and I feel like we internally have discussed this briefly in a couple of different contexts, but
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um But yesterday i was, you know, scrolling, scrolling my Reddit as one does. And I came across a question from a reader of historical romance who was like, oh, how do I figure out like it? I heard about Lisa Kleypas editing her books and re-releasing them. Like, how do I figure out if it's an old version or a new version or like when are where are the new versions? Like, how do I how do I figure this out?
00:15:21
Speaker
So I want to talk about Baudlerization romance novels. Oh, fancy words. And for those of you... Yes, I know. I learned it from Eloisa James, who is an English professor, by the way.
00:15:34
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But Baudlerization is named after Thomas Baudler, who in 1818 published a revised, ah sanitized, debodified version of Shakespeare.
00:15:51
Speaker
Oh, I've always heard it in context of um the Thousand and One Nights, the translations of that English. Well, I mean, you guys are English majors, so you might have actually more knowledge of it than I do. But that's what I understood it to be. in the so I mean, it might have happened to Shakespeare, too. that I mean, that's Eloisa James's specialty, so it makes sense. Yeah, the whole thing is just like this guy you know, tried to sanitize things that were deemed inappropriate.
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all right and And usually it's something that is frowned upon, like it takes away the oomph of a book, or the, I say oomph. You know how to use the technical terms here? So, well, the reason I learned about it sorry, Holly, maybe I'll...
00:16:36
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To clarify. So we've got this Lisa Kleypas situation. Yes, Lisa Kleypas has edited multiple books. The biggest one that I heard about, first of all, was the Wallflower series. In the first book, there's a prologue that it like sets the stage for the entire romance. And it's just like, to me and my teenage young 20s heart, like swoon worthy. But it is a non-consensual kiss. They're in this place. He kisses her. They separate and, like, come together much later, right um And then, you know, the courtship and romance begins. ah And there are other things. And these books were written, like, what, 20 years ago? Yeah. So, shocking, you know? Okay, so just to clarify, so what she's taking out is, like, some of the Dubcon stuff that... Back in the day was totally acceptable. Totally normal. Like she's not taking out all of her cringe Roma content, for example. No, she did apparently change the word gypsy to Romani in at least one book. Like I haven't actually reread any of these books. ok I don't know. And I'm not that invested to like go line by line in my memories. Not that like I'm not that kind of reader who can process that information like that. So I don't care that much. But, you know, if I were going to go get copies of the books, if I found them at my used bookstore, I would want the old copies of the books, even with the cringe content in it. So, yes, there is that stuff, the language that um she has changed. And that's also so part of bolderization. Like, I guess Mark Twain also had some texts bolderized where racial slurs were changed or stuff like that. Like that is something that also counts. Right.
00:18:17
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um but also the non-con but some so in this particular thread and I can plug it into the notes um some people were like okay so she removed this scene in one of the wallflowers books but she left this dubcon non-con scene in so like what's that like why um So who knows what it what that's about. um I think the first time it might have come up was because there were also Georgette Hare's estate ah was republishing her books with significant bodelarization. And that was what Eloisa James had been talking about.
00:18:50
Speaker
ok Because Georgette Hare was a mid-century woman who was like, she's got racist anti-Semitic content in some of her books. like Right. Well, I think, but like when we talk, ah when you talk about like removing racist content, right? If you remove just the slurs from Georgette Hare or Mark Twain or Lisa Kleypas, if we're talking about Gypsy,
00:19:18
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it that's like the stuff is really baked into these stories yeah it's not like right ah so yeah and i will say i don't think with the georgia hair um i'm not sure i haven't read any of her books in quite a while uh i'm not sure that she ever used slurs as such but like there are two books in particular that are extremely memorable for the character goes to a money lender And the physical description of the character is incredibly anti-Semitic. you know super like That's more of the stuff that her estate was like, we should remove this. and and um But yeah, well, it's baked in. and i'm just like I'm just thinking about Lisa Kleypas because it's um you know because like you know I mentioned her Roma books. Which maybe she's not, now they're changed. They're not called gypsies anymore.
00:20:12
Speaker
But like the whole dynamic in these books, if I remember correctly, is like, I'm dark and uncivilized. There's still stereotypes. And you are like dainty and are better than me.
00:20:29
Speaker
Right? It's the whole dynamic between them. Yeah. I mean, to be fair, it's not, that's kind of her dynamic in general. She's not much for writing Lords. But anyway, but yeah were right yes, but it is that. There is and more to the characters yeah in question, especially in that one series of like all the siblings where yes that there are more Roma characters in general included. yes So Erin, are you kind of, is i let me just see if I can pick up what you're putting down here. So you're kind of, you're just exploring like the choice of the baudelarization or...
00:21:04
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I'm wondering, i guess I'm just wondering how we feel about it. Because i think, so I think with Lisa Kleypas, like she hasn't published a book in years. And the last book that she published, you know, I think, well, the last series she published, Ingrid, I don't know if you remember, but when we were at that author talk. Oh, yeah. She was like, yeah. I mean, i tried to make this carriage scene like super consensual and I still got comments about how it felt like it wasn't consensual. And I was just like, what? You know? And i I feel like with the amount of like the the loud voices in the very much online spaces who make declarative statements ah
00:21:54
Speaker
And um I mean, Ingrid, at one point you had said a declarative statement stops a conversation. it doesn't create a conversation or a dialogue, you know, and I feel like, you know, as an author, it is it can be difficult to remove oneself from the entirety of the feedback. Well, and also, I don't know if you I i was I wrote something earlier in the week about the And i threw I had a comment in there about how I don't know when we expected authors to also be expert marketers and, you know, like social media mavens. But um like we have this simultaneous expectation of authors that they should both, you know, be super connected to their readership and pay attention to all this stuff. And also that they should if they don't like it, they should just not read it. You know, the criticism. And it's kind of like, well, God, hold on a second. Like,
00:22:46
Speaker
that's these are just people doing the best they can and i think it's really interesting that you brought this up today aaron because i was i'm reading with my daughter anne of green gables right now right not a romance so but um whatever like anne and gilbert are hashtag goals we're in guys now we're in of green gables so that happens in later we'll get there this is more of like a little coming of age book but anyway So, but there there were a couple times where I was reading and i remember sitting there one night and being fake because they were, it was actually, I think it was gypsy was the word.
Editing Historical Context in Literature
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And I was kind of like, should I, because I was reading ah ah reading aloud. so I was like, I could just swap it out for the proper word and she would never know. or I can stop and explain it to her. So I actually chose botolization my reading aloud and I put you you know I think I said ah Romani or Wanderer. I can't remember which one said. And anyway, and she goes, that's not what that says. Because I didn't realize she was following along that Yeah, she would call you out. And i was like, okay. So then I was like, well, you know, the reason I swapped it out is because, you know, back then they didn't know that that was, you know, not an appropriate term or if they knew they didn't really care. And now we do know that it's actually very harmful and that, you know, if they, if somebody wants to be called something, then you should call them what they want to be called. Right. That's how we show respect. And she said, yeah, okay.
00:24:13
Speaker
And that was it. That was the conversation. And, and I said, remember how we watched um Peter Pan, I think, or I don't remember what show it was. And I said, you know, it's one of those things where people are all trying to figure out the best way to handle these situations. Like, do you edit it? Do you never watch it again or read it again?
00:24:29
Speaker
do you, put a disclaimer at the beginning that explains like hey by the way this has some stuff in it that we don't say or do anymore just watch at your own risk that's what disney does they don't change it yeah although i think they stopped they might have stopped doing the disclaimers this year I don't know but honestly I think there's a degree of expectation of responsibility that we just need to let go of like you can consume content and not like it or stop consuming it probably you will be okay unless you have like very specific severe trauma Well, that's why i I've always appreciated the disclaimer because I feel like one, if you change it, then it removes the historical context from our cultural like you know collection. you know it This existed. It did not exist. This is how it was. you know So like i I do get a little shock when I read older books and they use terms that I would never use now. But that's a good thing. It means like, all right, I'm, whoa, yeah, i don't, that's goodness. That's great. Because you, because it makes you realize like there are things we're saying now. It gives us as a society permission to understand that there are things we're saying now that we will probably have to adjust later. You know? Yeah. Let's acknowledge that like they didn't know harm, what harm whether, you know, when I said that they didn't know or they didn't care, I don't think that not caring
00:25:53
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equates to malicious intent to inflict harm it's just this is not my problem it's passive you know what i mean so like yeah i think it's important to to know that because we it helps us gives us permission to reflect upon what we're doing now so i i i kind of don't like i mean if it's something truly egregious and the author is alive like lisa klepas has every right or with elliott's james who they have every no it was lisa klepas's yeah they They have every right if they're alive to, if they're uncomfortable with their artwork existing as it is.
00:26:27
Speaker
Okay. Like we don't have to agree with it, but that's their choice. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, and I think also, you know, like I think with books now we assume the book is finished and it's a static work, but that's not always how people think about books. Like I'm thinking about, you know, putting on my English major nerd hat, like Walt Whitman. Mm-hmm.
00:26:47
Speaker
He had his one collection of poetry, Leaves of Grass, that he published like 12 editions of it or something, right? And he just kept yeah and he added poems and he subtracted poems and he rewrote poems. But he said, this is my book of my work, my collected work.
00:27:04
Speaker
And this is my art and I'm going to keep engaging with it. Right. And so and don't know. yeah so but i just do it but but when it comes to editing someone's work who isn't here to weigh in like i don't but if an editor like georgia hair right like you can't ask her yeah yeah yes her trust or whatever can decide but i think like once an author can't make those editorial decisions like let it exist in our worlds as it was I'm fine with disclaimers, you know, like throw a disclaimer in. Hey, this book was published in this time.
00:27:36
Speaker
Some of the terminology we now understand is not super appropriate. Just be aware that this is going to be in there. I think that's completely fine. Yeah. And I, the other question about Georgette Hare is that changing it. So she is known, she is not like people will say, you know, don't you know this about her, but also she is known for being kind of the, the introduction for modern historical romance, right? Modern Regency romance, I should say. And so she is referenced frequently or she is a foundation for generic verisimilitude for an entire subgenre. And changing the text valid.
00:28:24
Speaker
I don't know. It validates her. in a way that makes it uncritical. i guess, like, she can be multiple things. Right. And that is okay, because many authors have throughout history been multiple things. Yeah. um i guess I guess it's fair with Lisa Kleypas, like, i i I guess there is a point of her becoming uncomfortable with her work or the response to her work.
00:28:53
Speaker
And that's fair. Sure. I see what you're saying, Ingrid. As a, you know, somebody who kind of fell in love with some of those books as they stood, my heart cries.
00:29:03
Speaker
i know. And I guess it's not a change. I just I don't think that this is like a black or white issue. Unfortunately, I think there's a lot of gray area. And the other thing I want to point out is this. I think that when we edit books like that to make them more appropriate for the time, It's also important to remember that just like um literature and art, it's kind of almost like we have to look at it more as like a living, breathing thing. We also need to remember that like throughout history, when books no longer apply to our interest, our culture, our, you know, the lens through which we want to see the world, they tend to fade out in popularity. And yes, the idea that that is always a bad thing that we need to preserve everything. I don't know that that's super practical. I think that If there's something to be said for a book, no longer something about it. So like, let's say that the Georgia here that, you know, it's not like those scenes with the money lenders, right? Those scenes can't really just be tweak a word and it's all all better, right? Like Holly said. So if it it comes to a point where it's more uncomfortable to read those books, those specific books by her, than it is to like read other ones. It's okay if those wane in popularity because it's uncomfortable now.
00:30:13
Speaker
That's just the natural order of things. Right. I mean, you know, how many eighty s bodice rippers have we collected from used bookstores because they're so beautiful?
00:30:24
Speaker
And then, like, you try to read them and you're just like, ooh. She ran her fingers through his carpeted hairy chest. I'm okay with that. That's fine. What? i'm Guys.
00:30:39
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ah Guys. and I mean, it's like, ah he's so hairy. And I'm like, wow, okay. All right. Never mind. Leave that one in, guys. I mean, like, that's not the for me. Like, i like i yeah yeah interesting choice and shit yeah yeah i'm obviously, we're talking more about like, the rampant sex is a man like you Sorry, sorry. The whole brain clicked in there for a second. I know. I was being but apparently that was one step too far.
00:31:14
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so oh Okay, so I know we're a time. But I do want to say it's interesting that you brought this up because I actually read an article just yesterday about boulderization in books, but it was about Leigh Bardugo's Six of Crows series, um which is being released with the ages removed.
00:31:37
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Oh. Because when she she published them, all the characters are 16 and 17. Oh. yeah And so it's like the 10th anniversary, ah yeah I think. And so they're being re-released with like sprayed edges, et cetera, et cetera. But now instead of clearly saying how old they are when the characters are asked, they say, I'm old enough. Or they avoid the question. And so they do not say their ages anymore. Yeah.
00:32:01
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Interesting choice. Right? and this and you know And the article was about the de-YA-ification of this series in particular and the YA genre in general. you know And that these characters like have these huge dramatic backstories and some readers were like...
00:32:22
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Their emotional maturity does not look us like a 16 year old. They look like they're 30, but they, but then others are like, no, it hits so much harder that these are teenagers who have to, who have had to rise to the occasion of what their circumstances are.
00:32:37
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But anyway, saying like this is a different way that books are being shifted. And I mean, I think in in this case, it could also just be like the audience is now also 10 years older. Yeah. Yeah. And they're like, but and they want to. The YA and. Yeah.
00:32:52
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Well, I guess, is this just trauma related? I mean, like YA and sex is also like, I think. Yeah, it could be in sex war also, but like, you know. sort of puritanical thought exercises or like oh um we have to behave a certain way um and just i think it's just we you know we get stuck in a little bit of an echo chamber and it's hard to say no it is okay that not everything is perfect and well-behaved and yeah
00:33:24
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Yeah, there's I what I love is what I love is when we have conversations about how we can make things better. And we don't just go straight for the judgmental hot take. Right. Because when we talk about this, just the conversation alone is healing.
00:33:41
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Just the conversation alone shows people that we care about how they feel about how they're referenced, how they're talked about, how these experiences are depicted in art. And I think that there's value in even everything.
00:33:52
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having the conversation you know that's just me a little golden ray of sunshine for the day thinking about it well on that note as since we are over time so this one might be a little bit edited um let us release this tumble reads into the wild and until next week keep it smutty folks