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Tumblereads 7: Good Sex Writing
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This week on Tumblereads, we're talking about what makes some sex scenes so great—and some of the authors make it happen.
Shownotes at smutreport.com/podcast
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Introduction to Tumble Reads Edition
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Speaker
Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-smart report! Hi, everybody. ah Welcome to the Smart Report ah podcast. Tumble Reads edition. This is Tumble Reads number seven.
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Speaker
um We're just having fun with this, so we're going to keep doing it. um And Tumble Reads, for those who are new or... have memories like goldfish, like me. um Tumble Reads is where we just kind of chat about whatever and go around where the wind takes us, but only about books.
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Yes. So that's what we're doing. um We have some standards. Some standards. It's got
Host Introductions and Episode Structure
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to be about smut, but that's about that's our only standard. um Anyway, I'm Holly. I'm Aaron.
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And I'm Aaron. so Sorry, Ingrid. Anyway, it's ah it's my week to MC. So I'm setting my timer and then we're gonna go.
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Speaker
All right. So um I do have something I want to talk about. But first, I want to hear what you guys are reading. So
Review: Fantasy Series by AK Kajano
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what have you guys been reading this week? Oh my gosh, let me go first. Okay.
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Speaker
So i in my fantasy binge, I have continued onward and I started this series by AK Kajano. i think that's how you say it. um And the series, let me see if I can find the name of the first one. I'm going to keep it fast. I promise.
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Oh, what was it called? I already returned it. Anyway, um it's got these, the covers are like, have these cute little drawn characters on them it's cute it's cute anyway point is i was kind of i wasn't i was very normally i have stronger opinions this one i was really on the fence because i did not like that the heroine giggles like the whole freaking time and the guy is supposed to be like this evil blood sorcerer but um he's definitely not evil like ever but it turns out she does kind of pull it together at the end and i was like okay whatever well there's this sub character
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Like um who is like a, you know, ah cohort. i They're like frenemies of the hero. And he's like deliciously bad, like bad.
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And I was like, oh, there are sequels. There are two sequels. And. not the first s sequel, but the second s sequel is about Xander, the the bad guy. And I was like, I want to read that, but I'm a good little rule follower. So i was like, I'll read the second one first.
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So I started reading it. Oh my gosh. This book is killing me. It is so delicious. So I'm going keep it short in a nutshell. It's the good sister of the, one of the bad characters in the series.
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hu And her sister is killed in the series or whatever. And she goes to clean up her mess because that's like her job in this in their sister thing is she's going to go clean up this mess. So she goes to this temple and she's cleaning up her sister's mess. And um this knight comes to, because he's on a quest to like purge the evil from this temple.
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And he thinks she's that evil. So he's like, well, I have to kill you. And she's like, how about you just hear me out? I'm not, I'm not what you think. And he's like, well, no, I, cause you're going to to trick me. So I just have to murder you. so she tricks him.
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It becomes very obvious that this is the dynamic here. And this is why I'm eating this crap up. He's a himbo. He is a sweet, earnest, dumb knight. Yeah. He is
Character Spotlight: Earnest Himbo Knight
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so precious and he's so damn earnest.
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He is so cute. He's just, he's just so stupid, but he's so sweet, but he's not stupid. I mean, like they kind of like poke fun at it a little bit here and there because he is like, I think I texted the, the you guys last night about it, but I'll share with our friends.
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Um, so, um, They're trying to work through a problem and she's cleaning and he's like, you're so exhausted. You should sit down because did I mention that he's so earnest and sweet? So he's like, you look tired. You should sit down. And she's like, well, I can't.
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I can't. it Moving helps me think. And he's like, it does. I can't think and do anything at the same time.
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And bless his heart. So he convinces her to sit down and then he's like, I'll clean and you sit. Like, I'll do it. And so she's like, okay. So she's watching him and I guess he like cleans and then he stops and then he's like, she can see him like thinking and then he'll like mutter and then he'll be like, oh I'm supposed to clean. So he'll keep cleaning and she's like, he really can't do two things at the same time.
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Speaker
Like... It's the cutest yet thing ever. He's also a virgin, like major virgin. And he's so damn earnest and sweet that at one point she's like, wait, you've never done anything. And he's like, well, one time i' met this really nice lady at the pub and I just blacked out. And next thing you know, I'm...
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naked and she's naked and we're in and ah the inn the room at the inn or whatever. and and it and it turns And it turns out she's a succubus. And so I felt really bad. And I was like, hey, listen, I'm so sorry.
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um Why don't we all put our clothes back on and I'll take you out to dinner. We can get to know each other better. and Like, I'm so sorry. And she's so she's a succubus, guys. So and she's like, she feels so sorry for this sweet, earnest, stupid little night that she's like, put your clothes back on. I i have you up here because I'm supposed to distract you from these bad guys that are going like pillage your temple. So you might want to get over there.
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And the girl, the girl, at the heroine of the book is like, wait a second. You're so sweet that a succubus like set you free so that you could go like save the day or whatever. Like, you've got to be kidding me. Like, that's how sweet this guy is. He can't, he believes because he's religious too, right? So he's like, well, lying is bad. Like you can't lie. And so the whole time she has to stop him from like spilling his business to everybody.
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So like he'll just, people will ask him, he'll just be like, well, it's this. And she'll be like, dude, you don't, you can't tell people that. Like keep your mouth shut. he has to ask this really like um abrasive lesbian person.
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What is she? Madge who is like in love with this like gardening elf or whatever. He's like, listen, I don't know what I'm doing and I really don't want to disappoint her. So could you could you please tell me how to please her? And this lesbian was like, I don't have a I don't have the same body parts you do. Like, I've never even been around them. Like, I really am not the person you should be asking for this.
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And he's like, but, but the elf that she's dating, she's the happiest person I've ever seen in the village. And I've never seen a couple is in love as you. So surely you must be doing a good job. So could you just tell me like how to make her happy? And like, this is where things start changing.
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And oh my God, my heart can't handle it. It can't handle it. This guy is like so damn earnest the whole time. And all he wants to do is like, just love her and make her happy. And she's just, it's,
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Oh my gosh. Is he earnest and sweet? He's so earnest and sweet.
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And then there's this part like, you know, because he's, he's religious, like he gets up and meditates every morning and like he doesn't swear and he's like, he doesn't drink guys. He doesn't drink ale. He only drinks milk.
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And then one night he gets jealous of this. i'm I'm sorry. You said keep it short and I'm not. He gets jealous of this guy who's flirting with her. So he tries to drink ale. He has like two and he gets really drunk and he gets stuck in the outhouse because his sword keeps like getting him stuck in there and she has to get him out.
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And then um he's like, ah you might have to carry me home because he's so drunk. And she's like, I can't carry you. And he's like, okay, we'll just try. And then he picks her up and he's like, thank you so much.
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So... He walks and carries her all the way home, but the whole time he's like, am I too heavy for you? Because, like, he thinks that she's carrying him. I can't handle it.
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Speaker
I can't handle it. Oh, my God. I agree. It's so good. And then there's this part at the end where, like, I can't tell you. That's enough. No. No. I'm cutting you off. I'm cutting you off. You have to read it. Holly, you will cry. Okay. We're not going to talk about what I'm going to talk about, apparently. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But Holly has to read it. Okay. Never mind. That's it. I'm done. I'm sorry.
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You can edit it out. Go. I'm cutting you off. ah We don't edit this out. we don't edit these. I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but it's so good. It does sound. I do love a good himbo. He's so sweet and stupid. Okay.
Mafia Romance: 'Married to the Mobster' Series
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Well, I was going to say i ended up on are Reddit thing where somebody had asked, what are the books where the characters have sex for the stupidest reason or like the flintziest pretext? I love this.
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And so that was a little bit of a rabbit hole that I ended up down, but After we did our Let's Talk Tropes this week, I was like, hmm, mafias. So I started re-listening to Married to the Mobster while i finished building my child's Halloween costume, which is so involved and I'm not done yet.
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Oh my gosh. That's amazing. Well, what was, what, what are you, are you just reading books in general from there? Are you reading one in particular? i just started at the beginning again, because I was remembering it's been a while since I read it and I kind of pooped out after the fourth book. So the first two is the duology about the, the couple, ah the guy who like becomes the head of the family. He's not when they first meet. And then his, like the forced marriage husband,
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And then the second book is about the like Don's bodyguard. And he ends up in a sort of like suspensy situation with a police officer, like a federal agent or something who's like supposed to bring the mafia down, but ends up like going over to their side.
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ah like It's very, it's very, it that was like, oh, what's going to happen? The third one is the priest and one of the bodyguards of the Don. And then the fourth one was like the lawyer and one of the enforcers or something. don't know. Maybe it was also like family versus family or so. So there was like some spy versus spy thing. And that's where I kind of ah started. And I was like, I think I'm done.
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But then the next one is like back to the first couple. So I was kind of, I always look at it. I'm like, i kind of want to know what's going on with this couple, but I never, uh, I like to read through because there are some building things that happen. So it's like, maybe I'll just, I mean, I'm just building this thing.
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It's taking forever. They're like glue and coats of Mod Podge followed by coats that like glue, caulk, Mod Podge. got to paint it.
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Then I'm going to have to do the detail work. It's like, it's just a process. And there are like 10,000 pieces. So, you know, why not listen to some books while I do it? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Exploring 'Little Thieves' by Margaret Owens
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yeah um so i'm i'm reading little thieves which is a ya fantasy by margaret owens it's a ya fantasy with a hint of romance i think it's a three it's a three book series um little thieves is the first one i think um jenny hamilton recommended it on in one of her things and like she i feel like has very good taste in fantasy stuff so i was like i'll try it
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But I picked it up also because it's like, it's ah inspired by the goose girl, which true story was like my favorite fairy tale when I was a kid. um And it's, it's like one of those weird ones.
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And, um but it's about like a princess whose maid takes her place. Right. And the fairy tale is all about the princess and how she overcomes this. But this book is about the maid. Right. And,
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why she chose to do this and what is happening to her now um and so it's i'm really enjoying yeah it's like i feel like i don't have patience for a lot of sorry my dog is barking um he's a good boy Yeah, a lot of the like, adult romantic-y, yeah because it it to me, it's like very, a lot of it is like very schlocky. But this is, but like the stuff that's actually YA, I kind of enjoy.
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um And I don't know why that is. But um I've been enjoying stuff that's like oh that tickles my like high school brain like all my high school memories I'm like oh yeah I like that little sweetness or like yeah I like the the review I did this week too so yeah you know it's like oh it's just nice yeah but it's um I will say it's uh it I think it was self-published and it could have It could have used an edit to tighten it up.
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It's like, it's a little too long. It's dragging a little towards the end. I'm like, ah, we have all the pieces. We have the pieces. You're just not getting there fast enough.
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So yeah.
Challenges and Joys of Self-Publishing
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yeah so we'll see trials and tribulations of independent publishing yeah yeah but i'm enjoying it yeah i'm enjoying it and it's angry you might like it if for if you need something like a little gentler with a nice little enemies to like enemies to lovers you know between like a thief and a cop basically yeah i like that that's always really it's satisfying yeah yeah really um also because also i'm still waiting for your romanticity primer I'm still working on it. I have a spreadsheet and everything. i was kind of hoping you guys might read might put some in there or help me out, but we'll see. i'm
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I'm pretty determined. I'm kind of hoping to do it by November. Okay. All right. All right. I'm excited. I have to stop adding stuff to it is the problem. I need to up for air. This is my Omegaverse problem. Yeah.
Author Focus: Charlotte Stein's Engaging Stories
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ok got yeah Okay.
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But Holly, what did you want to talk about? I'm curious. I'm so curious. Yeah. Okay. So, but before I read Little Thieves, the thing I was doing was I was binge reading Charlotte Stein. her backlist and um and her most recent book was dealing with a desperate demon which i reviewed for the blog um the arc which i was so so fun and i know ingrid has read one of her books but i read dealing with a desperate demon was like i know she has like a really she had like a long indie career before she moved to like a big a big five publisher
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So let's see what her old stuff is like. And I have never been so flustered reading a book in my life.
Crafting Good Sex Writing: Emotional Depth vs. Explicit Detail
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Yes. And I was just like, like, cause the two that I read, the demon one, and then I read the one that came out a year ago about the werewolf, um were like sexy, but they were like kind of slow burns and like it really built up. And I'm just like, what is happening? So I wanted to talk to you guys about good sex writing.
00:14:07
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Because I feel like we spend a lot of time in the group chat, maybe less so, and like writing on the blog, maybe less so when we're talking to each other on the podcast about bad sex writing.
00:14:18
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. um But I want to talk about good sex writing and like what you guys think makes a really good erotic romance. So, okay. All right. Ooh.
00:14:29
Speaker
Okay. Yeah, that's a good one. I think it's in the, I, I think what I have concluded, because I do think about this a lot, probably because I read a lot of stuff that I'm like, this is doing nothing for me, you know?
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And part of that is just because I read so much that it's like not new or interesting. So I'm just like, okay. But, um, but um But I think what it is, is illusion, not direct, explicit language. So even if it's like ah the anatomy lesson level of descriptive sex, what makes it really good is all of the, it's not the mechanics of it.
00:15:11
Speaker
It's all of the feelings that are experienced going into it. Yeah. Yeah. the then so alluding to more of the intensity or um um like metaphors for what things feel like as opposed to just like oh he pounded me so hard and I screamed a lot you know like that's that's what makes it really click I think when a writer gets it good I was going to say, i was going to say something similar, but I think, and I think that it's one of those things, you know, how people are like, show, don't tell, show, don't tell when you're writing and working on your writing.
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And I think that, I think that it's to be a little bit clearer. It's, you need to go shift from the eyes to the skin. Do you know what i mean? So like, don't tell me what they look like.
00:16:06
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I don't want, I don't want to feel like a voyeur. I want to feel like I'm in the experience. And so the best authors that I've seen who write stuff like this, they do it so seamlessly that you don't feel awkward about it. It doesn't feel uncomfortable because you're you're slipping inside of a sensory experience, right? You're You're not seeing the action. This is where when people are like, I just don't understand the gymnastics of it. If you have to evaluate the gymnastics.
00:16:31
Speaker
You've already lost it. You've already lost it. you You shouldn't even care where someone's legs are, right? Like, or where his hand is. Right. Like, if you're like, hang on, I got to go get my Barbies. Yeah. Let me figure this out.
00:16:44
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Because you're getting hung up on details that don't matter, right? Right. So it's like you have to shift from the eyes to the skin. What does it feel like? What am I like hot, cold, like that kind of thing so that it becomes a more sensory experience rather than a visual one.
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So people say show, don't tell, but that's not necessarily true. It's feel, don't show. Well, I think the show don't tell is, is it? I think the show don't tell is, would be just misinterpreted in that case. Cause really show don't tell. People will hear that and they'll think, oh i have to be really descriptive. What is, yeah, that's a different kind of how you're describing.
Navigating Discomfort in Erotic Writing
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Yeah. Different kind of description. Yeah.
00:17:23
Speaker
That's my, that's my, well, what do you think, Holly? Well, I don't know. So, I mean, because I was just like, okay, so the first backlist Charlotte Stein book I read was Control. And I'm working on a review also for the blog to post at some point in the future um because this book, I was just like so gobsmacked by this book.
00:17:41
Speaker
um And it has a lot of sex in it, like a lot of sex in it. And in the first half of the book, this a lot of the sex I found so deeply uncomfortable with ideally Yes. I was like, I am not comfortable with what is happening in this book right now. In what way? um It's, ah I mean, it's about a woman like sexually harassing her employee.
00:18:07
Speaker
Okay. So that was what made it uncomfortable. And and um there's some humiliation kink happening. Okay. Okay. So then was it uncomfortable because the humiliation kinked it? So this is the thing also. With me, for like BDSM, like if but It's a hard thing.
00:18:22
Speaker
if it's But I... It was like deeply uncomfortable. But I think in a really effective way. I think it was... It's like it's meant... Supposed to be. It's humiliation kink. Like if I am like, oh yeah.
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Speaker
i Then like... that Well, maybe that I'm into humiliation kink. Right? we say that a lot.
Emotional Journeys in Sex Scenes
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But I'm just like, I, and it was so effective, because i was like, I don't know I'm how I should be feeling about this because it's like erotic and the characters clearly like it, but clearly also don't like it because it's like very like weird and difficult for them. And they're like feeling all of these things.
00:19:08
Speaker
And then it i was also gobsmacked because then by the end of the book, I was like really... into it, right? is I was like, how did she pull that out? Where like, I was so deeply uncomfortable with their relationship in the first half and then very bought in by the end.
00:19:23
Speaker
um Well, then it sounds like she was focusing on all these emotional things going on with the characters and that was playing out in the sex. Exactly. yeah And right. And that it's not right. And you're talking about um and like, I guess it's a clarification of what you were saying, Aaron, where it's about the emotions, but like that the emotions, I think don't even always have to be positive, right, or fully positive or fully.
00:19:51
Speaker
sexy or that ah you know or that like sometimes the emotion is that I'm able to lose myself in this or something and like not just the emotion of uh you touch my heart when you touch my bits right like yeah I think that's a great clarification because good sex writing does not necessarily mean good sex I think when authors are doing it well like I'm thinking of Angelina m Lopez and um the first book is hate crush no no that's the second one uh lush money thank you lush money and it is a very uncomfortable arrangement the first time that they're having sex and like they yeah there's power dynamic stuff going on and you feel it you're just like whoa that was very uncomfortable yeah then yeah you get to the end and you're like yes yes exactly but i and the same thing with like
00:20:43
Speaker
I think the authors who are really good at the characters who go from, i just want to hook up to then really showing a shift in the difference between the emotional hooking up sex, even if it was awesome. And that's what they wanted at the time to the deeper intimacy of being romantically involved with sex by the end of their romantic arc like you can tell the difference yeah between what was happening here and what was happening there because it's not just about the mechanics it's about everything it's that yeah what is being felt and i think what is being felt like both mentally and physically yeah and how it's effect how how the tactile stuff is impacting
00:21:34
Speaker
Well, everything else and I also think that there's a unique opportunity when it comes to that, because think about some of the books that we've read where, um like, I'm going to shift it away from the physical part because i think this is a parallel, like culty, where It's first person perspective. And you have all this time to sit there and wonder, like, what are you feeling? Like, I'm getting all these clues that this is that something has changed and that maybe you have feelings for me, but I don't know. It's it is like supercharged when it's in a physical, intimate encounter.
00:22:03
Speaker
So it's the same thing where, like, all I know is how you're making me feel. And I'm seeing all these little clues. And it makes it so that there's just this like unbearable mystery, you know, while you're being so vulnerable. It's like really intense when it's like that.
00:22:17
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I'm
Subtle Intimacy: Hair-braiding in 'When Grumpy Met Sunshine'
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Speaker
just curious because I read that the one that I read, was it, what was the Charlotte sign that I read? When Grumpy Met? You've actually both read it. So I pulled it up. Ingrid, you've read Luck Be a Lady Pirate and When Grumpy Met Sunshine. Oh, no, that's Katherine Stein. That's a different one. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:34
Speaker
oh did i Did I miss tag one? All right. No, no, no. I just, never mind. Yeah. Ingrid, yeah. You read When Grumpy Met Sunshine. and And I've read You've read. yeah get the how to help Help a Hungry Werewolf. Yeah.
00:22:48
Speaker
And Dealing with a Desperate Demon. yeah Yeah. And then some others. Yeah. And i remember like that was sometimes because, you know, I have a notoriously terrible book memory. Like it's in, it's gone.
00:23:00
Speaker
i enjoy it and then it's, you know, i've I have reread books multiple times and not realized that until I got to the last chapter. And I was like, oh, man, I read that. um Not the case. This one was very memorable. And I can't even remember. All I remember is like there was one part where I was like, oh, it was the cover is completely benign. And I had to put it down. I was like, I cannot read this in public.
00:23:20
Speaker
Because my face was just like, oh, oh like it was too much. It was like overwhelming. I was just like, oh my gosh, the chemistry in this book is like, I'm like a little kerfuffle. So I did. i did also pick up When Grumpy Met Sunshine because I was like, you know, I'm curious because um her writing voice changes a little.
00:23:40
Speaker
i was like trying to figure out when um bait well because her new stuff is all in third person but her old stuff is in first so i'm like an interesting shift right and feel like and most authors are going the other way ah well but it's it's all single pob so it's third single which i think is really interesting um but i so i also read when grumpy met sunshine and there's this scene
Building Sexual Tension: Authors Who Excel
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Speaker
where he like braids her hair and I'm just like, and it's pretty early on and I'm just like,
00:24:11
Speaker
fake dating thing right yes it becomes a fake it's like a fake dating because of paparazzi kind of situation yeah um but they're like she's interviewing him because she's this ghost writer and they're like just sitting in his living room and he's like let me fix your hair for you and he like gets all his stuff and he starts braiding it for her and i'm just like this is a very intimate thing and how am i feeling so many things in my pants right now i don't understand i don't understand feel so validated how how how i don't even know I feel so validated because it's the first time I ever remember reading a book and and literally out loud going, oh, like it was like that where I was like, I got to quit. This is too much for me. Like I i am overwhelmed.
00:24:52
Speaker
And okay. So, okay. that So our timer just went off. So, but to wrap up, I would like to hear if you guys have recommendations for authors that you think do excellent sex writing.
00:25:06
Speaker
Oh, Lord. I already pulled up my reading list because I was like, I know she's going to do this. And I didn't because I'm. ah Well, I'll go first. But Erin, I'm mad because I was just going to say Angelina and Lopez because because it's also it's again, it's like I'm like, there are so many emotions going on in the sex scene.
00:25:27
Speaker
And like, what is even happening? But Angelina and Lopez, the thing that she does really well is dirty talk. Oh, that's right. I think dirty talk is a good thing too.
00:25:40
Speaker
And she she does it really well. And all of her books have some dirty talk and it's all different. And she's really good at doing dirty talk that is um authentic to the characters that she's writing, which I think is hard to do. Because I feel like a lot of people just write, you know, like all their sex scenes are samey way me. weighmy and first yeah yeah um And also Charlotte Stein because I just like went down this rabbit hole. um But readers, just so you know, mean, all of it, even like the new stuff is like there it's like there's like very slow burn that I'm just like, how is this so erotic? There's like no sex in this. I don't understand. And some of it is like we is like chapter one pound town.
00:26:20
Speaker
So right um you get different things with different books. Yeah. All right. What have you guys got for me? Okay, I have two. Ooh. Okay. okay i have to um and And they're more specific, but... um So the ones that I can remember... Uh-huh.
00:26:38
Speaker
Kate C. Wells. you remember her? So she did... and Truck Nuts. She did Truck Nuts. So um the there are two series that I've read by her. Actually, I've read all i've read pretty much everything she wrote. She has a Motorcycle Club books.
00:26:53
Speaker
Her books tend to be very... um like real right in a way like she doesn't mind being real at the expense of being sexy you know what i mean and somehow so in some of her books it just every the stars a align and it's like too much to handle I don't think that the Five Packs, the Shifters series hit me the same way or the Motorcycle Club book did. But Truck Nuts, that is the stone cut county books out of the park.
00:27:19
Speaker
Like, all right again, with the I'm feeling flustered. The other one that I read recently that I remember being really flustered by was um the Ruby Dixon, her new like God's.
00:27:30
Speaker
series oh oh the i don't think they're even that new they're like the shadow realm they're not new something something no no no it's not that so she's got this bull moon rising i haven't read that series it's the one that's um aspect and anchor yes that one not all the books but some of them were very flustering so those are the two that i have right now but i will say that that charlotte stein book about did me in like i felt that i needed to um Like I didn't feel comfortable reading it.
00:28:00
Speaker
I felt like I needed to close the door and lock it when I read it. And just to be clear for readers at home, Ingrid is talking about when grumpy met sunshine, which is very much a slow burn. i think they have penetrative sex one time in this book.
00:28:13
Speaker
It's, it's not. Yeah. That's the thing. I don't know how to explain it. I don't understand why you get so freaking flustered. It's not like it's explicit. Like the aspect in anchor gets pretty explicit.
00:28:24
Speaker
um The reason I thought of Kate C. Wells is it's kind of similar. And it's where it builds. And it's the same like bewildering physical cut it with a knife sexual tension.
00:28:35
Speaker
Yeah. So anyway, Erin, you're up.
Katrina Jackson's Engaging Sex Scenes
00:28:38
Speaker
You can it. paralyzed with indecision. um ah i don't Maybe.
00:28:46
Speaker
i think Katrina Jackson does a great job. Yeah. That's a good choice. She really leans into it um And like I'm thinking of the mafia romance.
00:29:00
Speaker
I, where like they're different. So all of the women are like related to each other, but the men and the men are all in the mafia, but like they all kind of have different things going on. So like one of the women is like sweet and retiring and the other one is like very assertive. And I,
00:29:18
Speaker
oh Who's the third one? I can't remember. But like, you know, with the with the one who ends up with the Don, like that relationship is one whole way that's like more, I don't know, traditionally rendered. But the one who ends up with the Enforcer is like...
00:29:36
Speaker
oh I was like, i never thought I would find a hairy, you know, svelte who get, you know, gets kind of ruddy and sweaty while he's getting the business like sexy. But somehow she made it happen.
00:29:51
Speaker
You know, i think you know, it's just like that does not that does not actually like if I'm thinking about it description wise. But yeah, but she made it work. You know, I think that's the thing that was like, wow.
00:30:06
Speaker
So I guess I'll go with Katrina Jackson and maybe when I come back and I'm like, oh, I should have said I'll just make a Saturday 26th. ah Well, and it sounds like it ties back in because like the Charlotte Stein thing and then what you're talking about where it's not, it's the ingredients are not there that you thought that like this is it's not your thing. But for some reason it works anyway. It's because the characters are writing through like how it feels for them. So it doesn't matter if it's what you wouldn't choose normally.
00:30:33
Speaker
I would normally choose a Minotaur, guys. But like the point is is that like if it's written really well, you're not seeing it through your own lens. You're seeing it through the character's lens and it you just get dragged along for the ride. And it's great.
00:30:45
Speaker
So, yeah. Oh, that's good. I like that, Holly. Well, I'm glad we got to talk about something.
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
00:30:51
Speaker
That makes us happy. Yeah. So anyway, that's Tumble Reads.
00:30:58
Speaker
Show notes at smutreport.com slash podcast. Usually just like pop up a list of the books we've mentioned so you can find them if you can't hear us. And I will include the title of the book that Ingrid talked about for like 10 minutes at the beginning about how awesome it was. And then tell me how much you love it because your heart will melt and break into a million pieces and then get refashioned again. Can I just do one quick thing too also because know you said it was okay, but I feel an ethical responsibility to clarify that. I talked about the wrong book the other week when we were talking and I was talking about, said Dire Bound.
00:31:31
Speaker
And it's not Dire Bound. It's The Wolf King. And I feel like i have to clarify that because Dire Bound is like um fourth wing but with wolves and... The Wolf King is like Akatar with wolves.
00:31:43
Speaker
And that is a very, very important distinction. Thank you, Holly. And and I updated the show notes on the episode in question. that It was actually Hottie McScotty conversation. not and i would never have guessed that. It took me lot to find it. I was like, where is this?
00:32:03
Speaker
Because the wolves were like Hottie McScotty vibes. Yeah. Because of the wolves. Yeah. Yeah, because anyway, I felt so bad because I was so proud of myself for remembering titles. And then I was like, but you still got it wrong. So anyway, um thank you for letting me clarify.
00:32:20
Speaker
and You're welcome. um Anyway, ah hit us up in the comments if you know, ah have a favorite erotic romance or author who's good at writing sex scenes.
00:32:32
Speaker
yeah And until then, keep it very smutty.
00:32:38
Speaker
Keep it smutty, folks. Na na na na