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Tumblereads 9: Dark Heroes
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In which the Smut Reporters talk about dark heroes, and the line between hotness and troubling. This conversation was inspired by Ingrid reading the Alliance series by S.J. Tilly.
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Introduction to Tumble Reads Podcast
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Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na Smut Report! Hello and welcome to this week's edition of Tumble Reads from the Smut Report. This is our podcast where we go where the wind takes us, but about books.
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So um anyway, it's Ingrid's week and that means, that's me, and that means, ah yeah, I'm Ingrid. And I'm Holly and I'm looking forward to the chaos. And I'm Erin!
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And I'm Erin! And she is used to the chaos. We're already in the chaos. Yeah. um There's a reason why I try not to introduce us very much. um But that went better than usual.
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Anyway, so um it's my turn to unleash chaos on
Ingrid's 'Bad Fellas' Reading Spree
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everybody. And I have binge read 10 books this week. And it's only Thursday.
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So let's get that straight. um And I almost exclusively in the last two weeks, actually, have been reading books with bad fellas. Like the opposite of good fellas, but actually exactly like good fellas.
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Yes. Okay. Precisely. It's... They're goodfellas. But just in case we're as wholesome as I am, the goodfellas are not good. They are bad. um So anyhow, I started reading some fantasy with some dark heroes and was surprised to see that they are not – they weren't actually very bad, which I think is pretty common.
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And because I was kind of like, well – You know, that wasn't
Exploring S.J. Tilly's Works and Community Reactions
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very dark. So I went on Reddit because that's where you find things that are dark pretty easily. And I found that there was this really earnest, sincere, from the gut hot take about how amazing this author S.J. Tilly is.
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And there were all these people going, oh my gosh, yes, I love it. I love it. I love it. Well, I had just read one of them and i don't remember being super wowed. um I was wowed, as I recall, by just how bad this guy was.
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Like really bad. Like should have been a bad guy bad. This was your mafia episode. Yes. So the book was called the book was called Nero by S.J. Tilly. um And i remember being like, whoa, well, that's that's something. and then um But I you know just carried on with my fantasy binge. And then I read this hot take about how amazing these other books in this series were. And I thought, well, all right, let's give it a shot. Because then I read another hot take that was about how they couldn't stand the writing style, that it was short, choppy, abrupt sentences.
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And I thought to myself, well, these books are kind of mafia, high intensity, life or death danger books. And you know that I've gone on and on about how sentence structure can impact the tension in books.
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So I obviously had to dig into this because here we have Dark Heroes, which was the the rabbit hole I was currently going down. And one of my favorite rabbit holes, which is sentence structure and writing technique.
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So I merged them. Oh, no. i know. i know. And I'm not going to go too much into the sentence structure because I actually do want to squeeze a post out of this if I can get my brain to cooperate with me.
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But what I wanted to talk about were dark heroes.
The Appeal and Morality of Dark Heroes
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Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes. Do we love them? Do we hate them? At what point do we not want the heroine or other hero or whoever to get with the dark hero because we're worried for their safety and well-being?
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Like, where's the line in the sand here? Yeah, how that is actually... How is there a line in the sand? Yeah, and That's good question. Wanted to dig into it because... In this series that I was reading, the S.J. Tilley series, it's about this group called The Alliance, which also hilariously, this series takes place in Minnesota, which cracked me up because Minnesota is the least... If you picked a city in the U.S. to have a mafia, right...
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I mean, I'm sure they could, but not ah strict yeah let's say it's thing I've ever heard. and They, like, hide the guns in the casseroles? I mean, sorry, the hot dish?
00:03:55
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Like, what's happening? you don't have It was so funny. No, so, like, for and, like, I don't want to lead us too far astray down the chaos, um, brain trap that is Ingrid. But like, literally,
Unlikely Settings in Dark Romance
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guys, there was one point where i was like, well, I guess it kind of makes sense to have the mafia in this because Minnesotans don't let you into your houses either.
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or to their houses either. So like, it kind of fits, right? but I mean, that just more seems like you should... set all vampire romances in minnesota right because people would be safe from vampires and they are right you just don't invite them in and you're fine they never invite you over yeah so spoiler i've lived in minnesota twice and both time was a raging failure because um people in minnesota make all their friends like either when they're first emerged from their mother's wombs in their neighborhood play group or
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when they go to college and that's it like they already have their friend groups they don't want you it's not that they don't care about you if your tire breaks down they'll like go buy you a new tire and put it on your car and send you on your way but if it's it's like super bowl sunday you're not getting an invite they already have all their friends they're good no offense so that's why i thought it was so funny because i'm reading this book and i'm like oh yeah that does track actually because they only hang out with each other Anyway, I'm being judgmental. But I did... Anyway, the point is, we're back to the dark heroes.
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So the dark heroes in these books, right? So... um so In the first one in Nero, and I can't remember if i reviewed this. Did I review this one? No, you just mentioned it the mafia. talked about when we did our mafia thing. Yeah, so he stalks her. He breaks into her apartment because he's running away from somebody.
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And she's left her patio door open. So he just like comes in and she's terrified because there's this guy. And he like ends up basically forcing her to watch the movie that she's watching with him. And then she falls asleep because she just he just stays there for so long.
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That's what you do? Yeah. She's like, please don't kill me. And he's like, you should really lock your patio door. People are going to take that as an invitation. And she's like, okay. And, and then he goes through, it when she falls asleep, he goes through all of her stuff.
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He likes the way she smells. So he steals her shampoo or whatever, her body wash or whatever, and leaves her like a hundred bucks for it and leaves and locks. And then, you know, I, you know, he locks everything up or makes her lock everything up. And then anyway, the point is, is then he just stalks her, like rents an apartment across the street and like watches her.
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cool yeah it's like real bad and then yeah like he's like trying to keep her out of his life because he's this like mafia dude or whatever and anyway the whole point is is that there's like he steals her underwear like a lot of like goes into her house and says the first time they do it she leaves the patio door open because she kind of wants him to come back because she's like intrigued you know because apparently she likes the bad boys and i when i say bad boy i mean like felony bad boy and um And she leaves it open and then she goes to
Intrigue with 'Bad Boys' in Fiction
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the bathroom.
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And when she comes back, she realizes that like the patio door that she left open is now shut. And she's like, oh shit, because the bathroom, there's no way that he could have like walked past her into the bedroom. And she sees that he's not in the living room. So clearly, like he's in the bedroom and was watching her sleep.
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who And he was. And he's like, you're a very bad girl. You shouldn't leave that door open. Like somebody else could have come in here. I'm going to have to teach you a lesson. And then you're like, oh, no. like that
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Yeah. So the whole series is like that, where it's this crime family, right? But they're like, toward the end of the series, this is a weird series because every book they get a little bit better. And by the end of it, like... Like, good person better?
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Or like, behavior better? Like, doing terrible things for a good reason, right? So, but it's the first three books of this series, like, you're just like, oh, oh no, this is bad, you know? Like...
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One of – like, they he kidnaps one of them and, like, imprisons her in his house and then forces him to marry her so that he can't touch she can't testify against him because he murdered someone in front of her. Stuff like that.
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Cool. Really dark. Much murdering. Okay. All right. So – Okay, I feel like there's a couple different things going on here.
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who um So, like, there's your question of, like, so, okay, because you're describing these books, and but the way you're saying it, you're like, oh, no, right? Which means that you're reading it your brain is like, oh, yikes, on bikes.
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but oh yeah ah But everything else is like, But I kind of like it. Well, I'll be honest. I was did not. I was like, oh, honey, because like it takes a long time before in
Attraction to Dark Romances
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these books before you're like you're a very stupid woman changes to what? But you kind of like it.
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You know, she she likes it. there de But like I've never read books where the whole first at least third of the book is her actually being scared that he's going to kill her. Do you what saying? That's a good point. I think with some of them, the mafia books, I mean, there is a degree of, I don't want to be here. I'm going to try to run away.
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Oh, well, mafia books and other books. But since we were just talking about mafia books, that's on my brain. um I'm going to try to run away. There was one and MC romance that I read that was like that too. And then like a switch kind of flips.
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But there's always something in the background I have felt where you know that he's like he might have done some bad things, but he's going to be fine. Right. There's no no there's not necessarily a lot of.
00:09:17
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overt on-page indicators that he is gonna be hurting dangerous to her to her right like like we would see from somebody breaking into your house and like watching you while you slept without you knowing about it that's right pretty unhinged not in a cute way yeah yeah these people are are unhinged this is like taking the wrong lessons from edward cullen right here yes Right. but But you need to understand, like people really liked them. And I was like, wow, okay. So I always assumed, my assumption when I've always read Dark Heroes, and maybe this is because I am a precious, naive little ray of sunshine, was that there was a kind of a universal line in the sand where you needed to see some amount of goodness in the darkness in order to root for the relationship or in order to want to keep going.
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And I wondered if in these books, part of it wasn't that there was so much tension related to the safety or like there was there was so much there was a certain amount of like propulsion from the tension that it you you just it suspended your ability to or your need to see that goodness for a little bit longer does that make sense mm-hmm Because I always thought, you know, like, especially with Fae, right? Like, all these fantasy books I'm reading, like, oh, he's the bad guy. He's the bad guy. But you know he's not the bad guy, you know? Yeah, just because he does, like, dark magic doesn't right doesn't mean anything. Like, okay, shadow daddy. But, like, not really.
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So I wonder if there is a degree of – because, yeah, I get – I – Okay, let me collect my thoughts. We have discussed dark romance before. Yes. ah Many times.
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um I think our most articulate one, and maybe we can link it, is our What We Do in the Shadows, right? and And the focus of that conversation was the hero brings...
00:11:09
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Well, the dark person brings the not dark person into their darkness. Right. And that's what constitutes dark romance. And so so that's kind of our baseline. But there even within that, there are ranges. And when I was first learning about dark romance, I was like, what even is this? Somebody had said at one point there's like dark.
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bully romance is like they well we'll talk the hero typically does you know has done bad things and like they overcome it and get together in the end even though that's probably not a healthy start to the root like that's not a healthy framework for the relationship and dark romance takes it further and has even more problematic Problematic is such a nothing burger word, but like problematic behaviors where, you know, you're like, this is where you're like, oh, but I feel like even within that space, like I feel like these mafia. So I ah had just finished after we
Justice in Mafia Narratives
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talked about our mafia LTT.
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Let's talk tropes. Sorry. I ah now you get at the insight into our abbreviations yeah internally. Yeah. We have lingo, guys. We've been around so long. have lingo. we But I did that binge of all of the series while I was working on my kid's Halloween costume and because I could listen to the audiobooks.
00:12:26
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And they were unapologetically not good dudes. I mean, they had their own framework of justice, but there was, you know, unrepentant on-page murder. Just like, that guy's gonna die.
00:12:43
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because they broke the rules or whatever. um But it it kind of it I think it towed the line of that justice. like There was a reason for it. It wasn't just psychopathy or something. it was It was, you broke the rules and this is your punishment. It's just a very extreme punishment. you know And the love interests were willingly or unwillingly pulled into it, but they were pulled into it, I think Ingrid, as you said, because they saw something good within this darker framework.
00:13:12
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um But it seems like what you're describing is on a whole other level. Yes. And I wonder if the baseline is just a little bit of like, okay, some people like horror and that is not me.
00:13:24
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But also we have a kind of a ah limit to our willing suspension of disbelief with respect to what we value seeing in a partner. So if we see partners in our romance behaving differently,
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in objectionable ways we're less likely to buy into those characters right and i'm not just talking about dark romance i'm talking about any romance right holly has multiple many times and even i have i don't know if you have ingrid but you know objected to the capital n nice capital g guy trademark right like yeah the guy who acts like he's nice but it's like a transactional niceness which makes it not nice you know yeah um So it's not just limited to dark romance.
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And that that I think is rooted in our, you know, feminism and, you know, so forth, whatever. So I wonder if a little bit of this id stroking of the super dark romance that you're describing, Ingrid, is a connection to more old school gender roles.
00:14:27
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type of relational engagement or something? Well, that's what I'm thinking is just like thinking about, say, the current political everything and let's say Me Too backlash.
00:14:41
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Mm-hmm. Okay. Right? And that these are stories about guys, like guys who are actually, who are dangerous for the women in their lives because of the way they treat the women in their lives.
00:14:54
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Mm-hmm. um that are fantasies of actually, it's like actually stalking isn't that bad. And, you know, as a way for people to say, okay, like I'm seeing, like I'm going on all these horrible bad dates and these are the kinds of guys I'm seeing in my life and maybe this is a way for me to see them as not that bad.
00:15:20
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i And that's like a really grim view. I'm sorry. is so gross. ah Right? But it's like, but, you know, like, romance books are successful because they allow, like, I think Ingrid said this one time, that they, um we, i like, characters grapple with their deepest fears to achieve their
Cultural Influences on Dark Romance
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deepest desires. Right.
00:15:43
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here um and that then like readers can project like can see their deepest fears in these books and then have the characters who are undergoing the reader's deepest fears still achieve their deepest desires does that make right yeah yeah and so if we're in this moment where um like andrew tate is valorized and sexual violence against women is like ah seen as ah and no big deal well it's the kind of woman it's the kind of woman but ah but that and then books find like in the text finding a way to ah make that okay maybe is a way for people to like feel okay about what's going on
00:16:31
Speaker
That's really interesting because the, and we're coming back to this series. ahead. And I'm like, like, is SJ Tilly a feminist or is she actually kind of like tapped into the manosphere? I'm glad you asked that question.
00:16:44
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I don't know. I don't know either. I haven't looked into the author too much, but um the the first series that I read with the four where it's like pretty unhinged, right? All of the characters, all the heroines are like big girls.
00:16:58
Speaker
Yeah. And all of them come from backgrounds where they have like a pretty serious hole emotionally that they need to fill. So what ends up happening is that it's kind of like the vibe of all these books are, um yes, I'm an unreasonable guy.
00:17:16
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i i own you. You're mine. But I will never let anyone... make you scared or uncomfortable you never have to work I'm taking all of life's hardships off of you and putting it onto myself because I am so bad that I can handle it and I want your life to be good so it's ah it's kind of like an I will take on all the darkness so that you can have all the light dynamic right so you can be a nice trad wife right but but I'm just starting another series by her and and it's Very feminist stuff. Much more than that. So I feel like, and i I have not talked to this author, I don't know, but the vibe I got with the first series was that it was just unleashing like almost kind of like, i i don't want to say kink because that's not what it is, but it's kind of like, just takes the guardrails off of what was attractive to these characters. do you know what i mean?
00:18:06
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I mean, in one of them, he spits in her mouth without asking first during... Hanky Panky. And I was like, oh my. But it turns out some people really into that. he it He drugs her because she takes off her wedding ring and throws it out the car window. So he drugs her that night so that she doesn't feel he doesn't want her to feel any pain while he tattoos his name four times on her finger.
00:18:26
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without asking permission she's like she's like this is so unf like you can't do that and he's like well if if you like you know cross do it again then gonna tattoo i'm do it again and she's like you you can't do that but i mean like when i tell you that it's one of those things where it's like there you have no boundaries when it comes to me is the vibe but in the second series it's a it's like a reformed crime family You know, it's much softer and it has so a lot of the same vibes, but without the it's not as dark.
00:18:57
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do i mean, and it doesn't hit this. It doesn't hit quite the same. And that's why. And it's not like when I say doesn't hit the same. I don't mean like in a satisfying way. I mean, it's a it's it's serving a different purpose.
00:19:08
Speaker
yeah makes sense yeah The goal of the books are is different. Exactly. And that's why I was like, man. Because what I've noticed in a lot of... is So it's a lot of times it's... a like Yeah, like when Holly was talking about motivation, right?
00:19:18
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um Like what's the what's the point of the relationship? You know, like where what's the kernel of it? And so in the first series, it was it was like, you don't need... i i'm I'm the darkness, so you get to be the light, right?
00:19:31
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And sometimes, especially fantasy, it's I'm the darkness because you... You can't be your full self if you don't embrace the balance of dark and light. Like we will balance each other out and we will both be more balanced because of this.
00:19:43
Speaker
Right. Morality chain. So then I was thinking about more of that, like what other kinds of vibes, like what's the point of the relationship and other dark romances, you know. Right. I mean, and I think sometimes it's, I am darkness and by being with me, you can stop hiding behind this and bright exterior and find your own darkness where you have true power.
00:20:08
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Which I think and I think that's also more in like some fantasy stuff. Yeah. But I feel like also in Mafia, right, where it's like, okay, I'm now the wife of the Dawn and I can find power in this space also. Yeah.
00:20:24
Speaker
Yeah. But even in one of the even in one of the ones from the really dark one, she's an artist. Yeah. But her family disowns her because they wanted her to be a lawyer. So she's on her own. She's painting. she makes She's a really great artist, really talented or whatever. And he that's the one where he kidnaps her because he she sees him kill somebody. And so he's like, oh, well, now you have to marry me.
00:20:41
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And ah so when when he puts her into her house and once he stops locking her up and being lunatic, um it not really, he's still being lunatic. anyway, he but like the next day, like he gets her in the house. He's already...
00:20:52
Speaker
Then a deep dive on her. So he's like, fellas, turn that room into her art studio. and And he's already done all this research to make sure that it's the perfect art studio for her. And when she's like, what are you talking about? He's like, well, the the world needs your art.
00:21:04
Speaker
Right. Or he's and he says something like you need to get to work. And she's like, work. And he's like, well, yeah, you have a job. You're an artist. Right. And she's like, what? Because nobody everyone's always talked about her art like it's a hobby or like it's something And so there are these little weird moments where you're like, that was feminist.
00:21:22
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do you know what I mean? All the while, while he's doing these absolutely oppressively terrible things, and you're like, wait a second. But it's just a flicker. Like, it's just a moment. So it's like...
00:21:32
Speaker
With all of these books, really, but what you're describing, especially Ingrid, it's like an abusive relationship. All the flags of an abusive relationship, I guess I should say.
00:21:43
Speaker
But it works out okay. Because he's not actually going to take advantage of, you know, the fact that he controls all the money or Right. but It's like it's it's like an abusive relationship, but OK.
00:21:59
Speaker
So then also we've talked about this before, too, briefly in a couple different
Dark Romance as a Space for Processing Trauma
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spaces. But I feel like we should flag it for this conversation. Some dark romance is read by people who have survived abusive relationships so that they can process the the feelings engendered by those relationships, you know, in a safer way than by engaging in another such relationship.
00:22:23
Speaker
Yeah. So there is also that like fiction is a safe space to process feelings externally ah opposed to actually living them that I feel like just got to throw out there.
00:22:35
Speaker
Yeah. And I could see that here because it's a situation where like, you know, he takes her phone and has control over her phone. He, you know, I'm sure he's controlling absolutely everything finances getting in and out. and Most of them have a period of time where they're locked up in his house and at his mercy. Like, yeah.
00:22:53
Speaker
Yeah. But yeah, but there's always this refrain where like, I'm safe with him. I'm safe with him. I'm safe with him. yeah know Right. So it it is. It's this fear of being in abusive relationship and getting through it to find that actually that's what we desire.
Reader's Responsibility in Fiction Interpretation
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And like whether or not that is like deeply regressive or a way of grappling with something in a really empowering way probably depends is like it depends on every book and every reader who reads those books and brings it to them. Right? as Yeah, as we were talking about this too, i was thinking, well, there are things where you don't want to, and this goes way back to my Daniel Tiger post.
00:23:31
Speaker
and Like, you don't, you can't let these, these don't exist in a vacuum. There we go. It's, it's, you have to do the work outside of the fiction to have emotional health and mental health, right? And to take, you you can't just read them and be like, this is fine. Yeah.
00:23:49
Speaker
You can't be somebody who's never been in abusive relationship and read this and be like, this is what a model of a relationship is. Like, that's not that's not the goal. Right. But and it shouldn't be used that way.
00:24:01
Speaker
um Likewise, with, the you know, so that's like the counterpoint, I guess, of the of the people in an abusive relationship reading them for the catharsis. um So these don't, yeah, I guess I'm just, these don't exist in a vacuum and readers are responsible for their own emotional and mental health journey in order to read response, like be responsible with their own life choices. Like you can't really conflate the two.
00:24:25
Speaker
It's an interesting conversation, but they're not the same. And, and I want to be clear, like, I get why people like them. I really do. And I also get why people don't like them. And the reason, not not a single one of the reasons why people didn't like it was because they were like, these books are inappropriate
Personal Insights on Dark Heroes
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Speaker
and bad.
00:24:40
Speaker
Not a single person said that. Because they'res but you know the vibe when you're getting into it. You know? It's just, you can just like it because you just like it. You know? That could, it's... Right. And if your vibe is like, eh, I don't really like books that start with a kidnapping, then... You probably won't like these books because they all have kidnappings. You like don't read them.
00:24:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, ah but I just thought it was super interesting because, you know, you read about these dark heroes and I'm always like, oh, he's so bad. But like, they're not really that bad because now I have this other baseline. Yeah. My my spectrum has really broadened this week.
00:25:15
Speaker
Yeah. Love that for you. Thank you. Yeah. i So now I'm really, yeah, i just, I think I'm going really, I can feel myself being like, okay, well now I have this kind of deep dive. Because, you know, I will say one of the things I've always been annoyed with with fantasy is that when they do the brain transplant, when it's like, oh, but he was so bad. And then he's like, oh, puppies. And you're like, dude, you just reached in and ripped that guy's heart out with your bare hand and now you're cooing over kittens. Come on.
00:25:38
Speaker
You know? Yeah. But anyway, so I don't know. I don't even know if you guys like Dark Heroes. I know, Holly, you like Dark Heroes. It really depends. Under very specific kinds of circumstances. Yeah, that's what I – because I love Valentine Napier it doesn't mean I love all Dark Heroes. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have generalized. Yes.
00:25:57
Speaker
I think there is – Yeah, that's an interesting question, too. And when you started this, I was like, I i wonder how I would define like what I find acceptable versus what I don't.
Preference for Redeemable Characters
00:26:09
Speaker
I feel like I like it when authors just really lead into it and aren't making excuses or being like, oh, but they're actually good. Like, no, they're not. They're out just like murdering people. That's not good. Yeah.
00:26:19
Speaker
well But there's something there that like kind of makes it a redemptive sort of narrative or not even a full redemption arc, but there's something there. Right. And yeah, I don't.
00:26:31
Speaker
But like, I also don't like characters who were just like unreasonably well behaved. Yeah, that's not right that's not comfortable. Yeah, that's boring. i will say this personal opinion. The first series for me pushed it.
00:26:44
Speaker
I didn't really like the first I thought they were kind of gross because they just constantly were murdering people. um And just I just but it but I didn't I didn't not like it, but I just had a heart. It was more way more uncomfortable for me like I didn't enjoy it the second series where all of a sudden there's the author gives you some cushion for the badness so much easier for me to fall into it like where the where he's still kind of like key doing whatever he has to do to protect her but within the boundaries of her comfort and respecting her boundaries that felt a lot more comfortable for me and it was much easier for me to be like phew all right but that's the timer so anyway
00:27:19
Speaker
I feel like there are many more tumbles that we could go along with this. Well, because this was so broad direction. Yeah. This was super broad, but anyway, I just had to. good Yeah.
00:27:31
Speaker
So anyhow. All right. Well, that's it for tumble reads today. I have done this now nine times and I don't actually know how we sign off. So we're just going to do it the Ingrid way, which is, i hope you have a lovely week and thank you for listening and keep it smutty.
00:27:49
Speaker
Keep it smutty. Keep it smutty, folks. Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na Smut Report!